[Felvtalk] Subject: Re: question on antibiotic

[Stacy Zacher]

Thanks to everyone for your replies.  Spanky's vet appt was moved up from Wed 
to tomorrow night, the vet is only in 1/2 day today and I'm at work.  The vet 
said not to give him clavamox right now.  I pretty much didn't give him 
anything yesterday but fluids and the pet-tinic and I have been syringing baby 
food and AD.  

This morning he sat up and was wanting to jump off the bed and later after I 
took him downstairs, he was sitting in the window and meowing while looking out 
the patio door. He hasn't done that in weeks so maybe all the stuff I'm giving 
him was too much for him right now. I hate to think I'm making him feel even 
sicker by trying to help him :-(

Thanks again
Stacy and Spanky


Message: 1
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:03:38 -0600
From: "Gloria B. Lane" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
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The probiotics might be a good idea - some good bacteria in the tummy/ 
gut, and certainly providing nutrients.  Might try syringing some  
chicken/turkey baby food too.  Sometimes just getting something into  
the belly helps.

Good luck - sending good vibes for Spanky.

Gloria



On Nov 21, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Stacy Zacher wrote:

> Hi Tracey:
>
> Thanks for your reply. I actually do trust my main vet, he is very  
> open minded and looks at all my research and does research as well,  
> and he actually does acupuncture and chinese herbs. 

stacy_zac...@yahoo.com


  
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Re: question?

[catatonya]

I don't know about the board.  I always just email my posts.
  Congratulations on your upcoming baby!
  tonya

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everything ready for new baby. My cat Crackers was diagnosed next month will be 
2 yrs with FELV. Knock on wood*** he has never shone a single symptom. *He 
is now 21lbs and loving life:) We had moved and he showed no stress. He loves 
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Re: Question about URI contagion

[Kelley Saveika]

I know, it is quite vague.  I expect it depends on the type of URI.  There
are all sorts of URI so it would make sense incubation periods would be
different.

You may know this based on your veterinary knowledge, but you can find out
what strain of URI it is based on laboratory testing.  I can't imagine
anyone would want to do that though unless it was something life
threatening.

On Nov 16, 2007 10:05 AM, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Gosh- could that time frame be anymore vague!  2-17 days is a long time
> period!  I will ask my mom how she feels about it...she is very protective
> of LeeRoy- even tho she's not a cat-person- b/c he's the sweetest little boy
> ever- the nicest cat in the world- a real "people-cat" and she wouldn't want
> him to come down with the funk.  I know technically they were probably
> already exposed to some degree since I don't have an iso room- altho this
> downstairs room is about as isolated as you can get without having a
> separate ac/heat, etc.  And Yoda and the B/W originally had the same URI
> anyway.  Yoda is the only one from that group of 4 kittens (Metro AC orphans
> but not a litter) that the URI eye symptoms haven't come back on yet since
> he kicked it in September (the other 2 have been adopted ("Tippi" and
> "GoGo"-- I like to think it's b/c I spent A LOT of time cleaning them with
> kitty wipes, cleaning ears- Tippi's were the worst I'd seen in my 30 years-
> and my dad was a vet!, brushing them, pumping them full of high-qual food
> and supplements and giving them exercise and love...so frankly, they looked
> better than most of the other cats!)  I have not let loose of Yoda
> though (added him to the condos for adoption)- even tho I know someone would
> grab him up b/c he's "buff"-colored and freaking adorable, altho he is kind
> of an a$$, but the cuteness makes up for it!  So he's been living the high
> life since I took him in so he certainly hasn't had any stress that would
> bring the URI back out.  I even moved and the little booger loved his new
> room and got to truly "bird watch" for the first time and he never even
> missed a beat!  So much for moving causing stress on my cats!
> -Caroline
>
>
>  --
> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:47:54 -0600
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Question about URI contagion
>
>
> Oddly enough, I just picked up a fact sheet that says incubation is
> between 2-17 days.  I don't know if that helps you.
>
> On Nov 16, 2007 9:40 AM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others.
>  They've probably already been exposed anyhow.  Sounds like he's responded
> well to your loving care.  FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of
> Zithromax for kittens with URI.
> Gloria
>
>
>
>  On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:
>
>  Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious?  I picked up a B/W approx.
> 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been
> suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks
> and it just wasn't getting better.  Poor thing had started to rub off the
> fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much.  I had this same kitten
> back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had
> URIs in various degrees of severity.  He was the oldest and he got well the
> fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin.  Well, when he was added
> to the "condo" at the store to be "on display" for adoption, I guess the
> stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's
> been suffering off and on since then.  I tried to stop by as much as
> possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at
> 6:00.  He is also one of those cats "prone" to tear stains regardless of a
> URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display
> with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our
> no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs
> room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy.
> Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and
> Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness
> kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of
> supplements.  He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other
> foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there a

RE: Question about URI contagion

[Susan Hoffman]

I order zithromax from www.1drugstore-online.com  Much cheaper than US prices.

Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  .hmmessage P  {  margin:0px;  
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That sounds like good advice!  Usually, the agency I work with doesn't treat 
with oral antibiotics for URI eye symptons, unless accompanied by the sneezing 
(which the 4 kittens I had at labor day were all sneezin like crazy).  Tho the 
B/W wasn't sneezing when I brought him home, his eyes looks so bad in the condo 
that I wanted to really knock out the URI, so I decided to treat with an 
antibiotic, but not Amoxy b/c he had that back in Sept.  That was my own 
decision- the green eye discharge had me worried.  I don't think I will keep 
him on the Clavamox more than 7 days tho, I just don't think it's necessary 
anymore.  The agency I work with also seems to only have powdered Amoxy and 
Clavamox for treating URIs?  I'm sure we could get Zithromax from one of our 
vets, but if it's more expensive...well, you know
 how that goes.  However, the woman who has been in charge of the group and is 
clearly burned out and over-loaded (I have complained about her before)-- I 
took the kittens in originally b/c she had no business having kittens at her 
house- she is going to back off and step down and has realized she needs to 
stop being an over-controlling hindrence basically.  Which is going to open the 
door to lots of things and fresh thinking from me, with people who aren't 
over-controlling that are willing to implement my ideas and better delegate the 
work...so hopefully, I will be able to push for some better treatment protocols 
in the very near future.  The reins have already been loosened a lot and I've 
already been able to enact some positive changes.  
-Caroline 

> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:13:20 -0500
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: Question about URI contagion
> 
> in persians, who are predisposed to uri symptoms at any time, especially 
> in shelter or new situations (stress, no noses to speak of anyway), 
> zithromax has become the drug of choice: we don't even bother with the 
> others for cats we pull from shelters, we just go for the zithro.
> 
> the other thing is that there's many causes for runny noses and goopy 
> eyes, and unless you actually culture out the emissions, you can't be 
> sure what you're dealing with--might just be that kitty's reaction to 
> stress, might be allergies , might be a virus or bacteria. so once 
> they're responding and feeling better and want to play with the others, 
> i figure that's the best medicine as long as they aren't sneezing 
> constantly!
> 
> MC
> 
> 
> Gloria Lane wrote:
> > If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the 
> > others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like 
> > he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck 
> > with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI.
> >
> > Gloria
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W 
> >> approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c 
> >> he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no 
> >> sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor 
> >> thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing 
> >> at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 
> >> weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of 
> >> severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after 
> >> treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the 
> >> "condo" at the store to be "on display" for adoption, I guess the 
> >> stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and 
> >> he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as 
> >> much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the 
> >> store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats "prone" to tear 
> >> stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he 
> >> looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he 
> >> looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to 
> >> take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him 
> >> at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him 
> >> since last 

Re: Question about URI contagion

[TenHouseCats]

and while it's more expensive, it is usually only a 3-day course, and it
rarely needs to be repeated. it's a very nice drug.

On Nov 16, 2007 12:01 PM, Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I order zithromax from www.1drugstore-online.com  Much cheaper than US
> prices.
>
> *Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> That sounds like good advice!  Usually, the agency I work with doesn't
> treat with oral antibiotics for URI eye symptons, unless accompanied by the
> sneezing (which the 4 kittens I had at labor day were all sneezin like
> crazy).  Tho the B/W wasn't sneezing when I brought him home, his eyes looks
> so bad in the condo that I wanted to really knock out the URI, so I decided
> to treat with an antibiotic, but not Amoxy b/c he had that back in Sept.
> That was my own decision- the green eye discharge had me worried.  I don't
> think I will keep him on the Clavamox more than 7 days tho, I just don't
> think it's necessary anymore.  The agency I work with also seems to only
> have powdered Amoxy and Clavamox for treating URIs?  I'm sure we could get
> Zithromax from one of our vets, but if it's more expensive...well, you know
> how that goes.  However, the woman who has been in charge of the group and
> is clearly burned out and over-loaded (I have complained about her before)--
> I took the kittens in originally b/c she had no business having kittens at
> her house- she is going to back off and step down and has realized she needs
> to stop being an over-controlling hindrence basically.  Which is going to
> open the door to lots of things and fresh thinking from me, with people who
> aren't over-controlling that are willing to implement my ideas and better
> delegate the work...so hopefully, I will be able to push for some better
> treatment protocols in the very near future.  The reins have already been
> loosened a lot and I've already been able to enact some positive changes.
> -Caroline
>
> > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:13:20 -0500
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: Question about URI contagion
> >
> > in persians, who are predisposed to uri symptoms at any time, especially
>
> > in shelter or new situations (stress, no noses to speak of anyway),
> > zithromax has become the drug of choice: we don't even bother with the
> > others for cats we pull from shelters, we just go for the zithro.
> >
> > the other thing is that there's many causes for runny noses and goopy
> > eyes, and unless you actually culture out the emissions, you can't be
> > sure what you're dealing with--might just be that kitty's reaction to
> > stress, might be allergies , might be a virus or bacteria. so once
> > they're responding and feeling better and want to play with the others,
> > i figure that's the best medicine as long as they aren't sneezing
> > constantly!
> >
> > MC
> >
> >
> > Gloria Lane wrote:
> > > If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the
> > > others. They've probably already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like
> > > he's responded well to your loving care. FYI - I also had good luck
> > > with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI.
> > >
> > > Gloria
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:
> > >
> > >> Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? I picked up a B/W
> > >> approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c
> > >> he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no
> > >> sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor
> > >> thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing
> > >> at it so much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3
> > >> weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of
>
> > >> severity. He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after
> > >> treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the
> > >> "condo" at the store to be "on display" for adoption, I guess the
> > >> stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and
> > >> he's been suffering off and on since then. I tried to stop by as
> > >> much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the
> > >> store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats "prone" to tear
> > >>

RE: Question about URI contagion

[Caroline Kaufmann]

That sounds like good advice!  Usually, the agency I work with doesn't treat 
with oral antibiotics for URI eye symptons, unless accompanied by the sneezing 
(which the 4 kittens I had at labor day were all sneezin like crazy).  Tho the 
B/W wasn't sneezing when I brought him home, his eyes looks so bad in the condo 
that I wanted to really knock out the URI, so I decided to treat with an 
antibiotic, but not Amoxy b/c he had that back in Sept.  That was my own 
decision- the green eye discharge had me worried.  I don't think I will keep 
him on the Clavamox more than 7 days tho, I just don't think it's necessary 
anymore.  The agency I work with also seems to only have powdered Amoxy and 
Clavamox for treating URIs?  I'm sure we could get Zithromax from one of our 
vets, but if it's more expensive...well, you know how that goes.  However, the 
woman who has been in charge of the group and is clearly burned out and 
over-loaded (I have complained about her before)-- I took the kittens in 
originally b/c she had no business having kittens at her house- she is going to 
back off and step down and has realized she needs to stop being an 
over-controlling hindrence basically.  Which is going to open the door to lots 
of things and fresh thinking from me, with people who aren't over-controlling 
that are willing to implement my ideas and better delegate the work...so 
hopefully, I will be able to push for some better treatment protocols in the 
very near future.  The reins have already been loosened a lot and I've already 
been able to enact some positive changes.  
-Caroline > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:13:20 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: Question about URI contagion> > in 
persians, who are predisposed to uri symptoms at any time, especially > in 
shelter or new situations (stress, no noses to speak of anyway), > zithromax 
has become the drug of choice: we don't even bother with the > others for cats 
we pull from shelters, we just go for the zithro.> > the other thing is that 
there's many causes for runny noses and goopy > eyes, and unless you actually 
culture out the emissions, you can't be > sure what you're dealing with--might 
just be that kitty's reaction to > stress, might be allergies , might be a 
virus or bacteria. so once > they're responding and feeling better and want to 
play with the others, > i figure that's the best medicine as long as they 
aren't sneezing > constantly!> > MC> > > Gloria Lane wrote:> > If he were at my 
house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the > > others. They've probably 
already been exposed anyhow. Sounds like > > he's responded well to your loving 
care. FYI - I also had good luck > > with a dose or two of Zithromax for 
kittens with URI.> >> > Gloria> >> >> >> > On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, 
Caroline Kaufmann wrote:> >> >> Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious? 
I picked up a B/W > >> approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last 
Sat. b/c > >> he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no > 
>> sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better. Poor > >> thing 
had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing > >> at it so 
much. I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 > >> weeks when I 
took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of > >> severity. He was 
the oldest and he got well the fastest after > >> treatment with Amoxy and 
Terramycin. Well, when he was added to the > >> "condo" at the store to be "on 
display" for adoption, I guess the > >> stress of that shortly thereafter 
brought the eye problems back and > >> he's been suffering off and on since 
then. I tried to stop by as > >> much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, 
but it's hard b/c the > >> store closes at 6:00. He is also one of those cats 
"prone" to tear > >> stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his 
face, he > >> looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk 
(he > >> looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to 
> >> take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him > >> 
at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy. Well, I've had him > >> since 
last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in > >> the eyes) and 
I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- > >> they only get dry at 
the store- and pumping him full of supplements. > >> He gets to run arou

Re: Question about URI contagion

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

in persians, who are predisposed to uri symptoms at any time, especially 
in shelter or new situations (stress, no noses to speak of anyway), 
zithromax has become the drug of choice: we don't even bother with the 
others for cats we pull from shelters, we just go for the zithro.


the other thing is that there's many causes for runny noses and goopy 
eyes, and unless you actually culture out the emissions, you can't be 
sure what you're dealing with--might just be that kitty's reaction to 
stress, might be allergies , might be a virus or bacteria. so once 
they're responding and feeling better and want to play with the others, 
i figure that's the best medicine as long as they aren't sneezing 
constantly!


MC


Gloria Lane wrote:
If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the 
others.  They've probably already been exposed anyhow.  Sounds like 
he's responded well to your loving care.  FYI - I also had good luck 
with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI.


Gloria



On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:

Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious?  I picked up a B/W 
approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c 
he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no 
sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better.  Poor 
thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing 
at it so much.  I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 
weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of 
severity.  He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after 
treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin.  Well, when he was added to the 
"condo" at the store to be "on display" for adoption, I guess the 
stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and 
he's been suffering off and on since then.  I tried to stop by as 
much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the 
store closes at 6:00.  He is also one of those cats "prone" to tear 
stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he 
looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he 
looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to 
take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix him 
at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy.  Well, I've had him 
since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and Terramycin in 
the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness kitten)- 
they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements.  
He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster 
kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and 
away from him  But, I know he's lonely and needs some 
kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other!  He's 
doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal.  I know it's probably mostly 
because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and 
getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh).  *So, 
if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green 
discharge, is he okay to mingle now?  He's not sneezing and he 
doesn't really have any eye discharge at all*, besides his regular 
eye boogers that he is prone to getting.  He does not act like a sick 
cat (runs around like a maniac).  I haven't seen green eye funk since 
the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost 
instantly.  I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's been on the 
antibiotic almost a week now, & showing no signs of infection, can he 
be mingled with the other two kittens for play-time, or should I wait 
longer?

Thanks,
Caroline 



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RE: Question about URI contagion

[Caroline Kaufmann]

Gosh- could that time frame be anymore vague!  2-17 days is a long time period! 
 I will ask my mom how she feels about it...she is very protective of LeeRoy- 
even tho she's not a cat-person- b/c he's the sweetest little boy ever- the 
nicest cat in the world- a real "people-cat" and she wouldn't want him to come 
down with the funk.  I know technically they were probably already exposed to 
some degree since I don't have an iso room- altho this downstairs room is about 
as isolated as you can get without having a separate ac/heat, etc.  And Yoda 
and the B/W originally had the same URI anyway.  Yoda is the only one from that 
group of 4 kittens (Metro AC orphans but not a litter) that the URI eye 
symptoms haven't come back on yet since he kicked it in September (the other 2 
have been adopted ("Tippi" and "GoGo"-- I like to think it's b/c I spent A LOT 
of time cleaning them with kitty wipes, cleaning ears- Tippi's were the worst 
I'd seen in my 30 years- and my dad was a vet!, brushing them, pumping them 
full of high-qual food and supplements and giving them exercise and love...so 
frankly, they looked better than most of the other cats!)  I have not let loose 
of Yoda though (added him to the condos for adoption)- even tho I know someone 
would grab him up b/c he's "buff"-colored and freaking adorable, altho he is 
kind of an a$$, but the cuteness makes up for it!  So he's been living the high 
life since I took him in so he certainly hasn't had any stress that would bring 
the URI back out.  I even moved and the little booger loved his new room and 
got to truly "bird watch" for the first time and he never even missed a beat!  
So much for moving causing stress on my cats!
-Caroline 


Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:47:54 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: Question about URI contagionOddly enough, I just picked up a 
fact sheet that says incubation is between 2-17 days.  I don't know if that 
helps you.
On Nov 16, 2007 9:40 AM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others.  
They've probably already been exposed anyhow.  Sounds like he's responded well 
to your loving care.  FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of 
Zithromax for kittens with URI. 

Gloria







On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:

Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious?  I picked up a B/W approx. 6 mth 
old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been suffering from a 
URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't 
getting better.  Poor thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye 
from rubbing at it so much.  I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 
3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of 
severity.  He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with 
Amoxy and Terramycin.  Well, when he was added to the "condo" at the store to 
be "on display" for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter 
brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since then.  I 
tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard 
b/c the store closes at 6:00.  He is also one of those cats "prone" to tear 
stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really 
bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks 
bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the 
downstairs room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and 
LeeRoy.  Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox 
(and Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness 
kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of supplements.  
He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other foster kittens 
have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and away from him  But, I 
know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may 
remember each other!  He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal.  I know it's 
probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and 
getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh).   So, if he is no 
longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle 
now?  He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at all, 
besides his regular eye boogers that he is prone to getting.  He does not act 
like a sick cat (runs around like a maniac).  I haven't seen green eye funk 
since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost 
instantly.  I just wanted to know if anyone knows 

Re: Question about URI contagion

[Kelley Saveika]

Oddly enough, I just picked up a fact sheet that says incubation is between
2-17 days.  I don't know if that helps you.

On Nov 16, 2007 9:40 AM, Gloria Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the others.
>  They've probably already been exposed anyhow.  Sounds like he's responded
> well to your loving care.  FYI - I also had good luck with a dose or two of
> Zithromax for kittens with URI.
> Gloria
>
>
>
>  On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:
>
>  Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious?  I picked up a B/W approx.
> 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd been
> suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for 2-3 weeks
> and it just wasn't getting better.  Poor thing had started to rub off the
> fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much.  I had this same kitten
> back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had
> URIs in various degrees of severity.  He was the oldest and he got well the
> fastest after treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin.  Well, when he was added
> to the "condo" at the store to be "on display" for adoption, I guess the
> stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and he's
> been suffering off and on since then.  I tried to stop by as much as
> possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at
> 6:00.  He is also one of those cats "prone" to tear stains regardless of a
> URI and with the white fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display
> with tear stains and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our
> no-kill agency), so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs
> room and just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy.
> Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and
> Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness
> kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of
> supplements.  He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the other
> foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in there and
> away from him  But, I know he's lonely and needs some kitty-socialization
> and he and Yoda may remember each other!  He's doing SO MUCH better- it's
> unreal.  I know it's probably mostly because he is having fun, not stressed,
> eating like a piggy and getting love (that probably helps more than the
> meds...sigh).  *So, if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and
> green discharge, is he okay to mingle now?  He's not sneezing and he doesn't
> really have any eye discharge at all*, besides his regular eye boogers
> that he is prone to getting.  He does not act like a sick cat (runs around
> like a maniac).  I haven't seen green eye funk since the day after I brought
> him home (Sunday) b/c he improved almost instantly.  I just wanted to know
> if anyone knows if he's been on the antibiotic almost a week now, & showing
> no signs of infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for
> play-time, or should I wait longer?
> Thanks,
> Caroline
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RE: Question about URI contagion

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Hi Caroline,
I can't answer your Q (tho I'd imagine the infectious period is well
over) but just wanted to say how wonderful that your little foster is
doing so well in your home. Yup, I've no doubt all the love and care
he's getting from you was the cure. What a lucky kitty that he found
you. Thanks for everything you do Caroline. Kerry M.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline
Kaufmann
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question about URI contagion


Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious?  I picked up a B/W
approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c he'd
been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no sneezing) for
2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better.  Poor thing had started to
rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing at it so much.  I had
this same kitten back at labor day for about 3 weeks when I took in 4
kittens who all had URIs in various degrees of severity.  He was the
oldest and he got well the fastest after treatment with Amoxy and
Terramycin.  Well, when he was added to the "condo" at the store to be
"on display" for adoption, I guess the stress of that shortly thereafter
brought the eye problems back and he's been suffering off and on since
then.  I tried to stop by as much as possible to clean and treat his
eyes, but it's hard b/c the store closes at 6:00.  He is also one of
those cats "prone" to tear stains regardless of a URI and with the white
fur on his face, he looks really bad being on display with tear stains
and eye funk (he looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency),
so I decided to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and
just not mix him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy.
Well, I've had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and
Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food (Wellness
kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him full of
supplements.  He gets to run around the house when I am home b/c the
other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay closed in
there and away from him  But, I know he's lonely and needs some
kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other!  He's doing
SO MUCH better- it's unreal.  I know it's probably mostly because he is
having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and getting love (that
probably helps more than the meds...sigh).  So, if he is no longer
having inflamed red eye tissue and green discharge, is he okay to mingle
now?  He's not sneezing and he doesn't really have any eye discharge at
all, besides his regular eye boogers that he is prone to getting.  He
does not act like a sick cat (runs around like a maniac).  I haven't
seen green eye funk since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c
he improved almost instantly.  I just wanted to know if anyone knows if
he's been on the antibiotic almost a week now, & showing no signs of
infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for play-time,
or should I wait longer?
Thanks,
Caroline 


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Re: Question about URI contagion

[Gloria Lane]

If he were at my house, I'd probably go ahead and mix him with the  
others.  They've probably already been exposed anyhow.  Sounds like  
he's responded well to your loving care.  FYI - I also had good luck  
with a dose or two of Zithromax for kittens with URI.


Gloria



On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote:

Does anyone know how long a URI is contagious?  I picked up a B/W  
approx. 6 mth old kitten from the adoption location last Sat. b/c  
he'd been suffering from a URI- mostly affecting the eyes (no  
sneezing) for 2-3 weeks and it just wasn't getting better.  Poor  
thing had started to rub off the fur around his one eye from rubbing  
at it so much.  I had this same kitten back at labor day for about 3  
weeks when I took in 4 kittens who all had URIs in various degrees  
of severity.  He was the oldest and he got well the fastest after  
treatment with Amoxy and Terramycin.  Well, when he was added to the  
"condo" at the store to be "on display" for adoption, I guess the  
stress of that shortly thereafter brought the eye problems back and  
he's been suffering off and on since then.  I tried to stop by as  
much as possible to clean and treat his eyes, but it's hard b/c the  
store closes at 6:00.  He is also one of those cats "prone" to tear  
stains regardless of a URI and with the white fur on his face, he  
looks really bad being on display with tear stains and eye funk (he  
looked sick- which looks bad for our no-kill agency), so I decided  
to take him home and put in him the downstairs room and just not mix  
him at all with my other two fosters Yoda and LeeRoy.  Well, I've  
had him since last Sat. and this time, he's on Clavamox (and  
Terramycin in the eyes) and I'm feeding him tons of wet food  
(Wellness kitten)- they only get dry at the store- and pumping him  
full of supplements.  He gets to run around the house when I am home  
b/c the other foster kittens have a big room to romp, so they stay  
closed in there and away from him  But, I know he's lonely and needs  
some kitty-socialization and he and Yoda may remember each other!   
He's doing SO MUCH better- it's unreal.  I know it's probably mostly  
because he is having fun, not stressed, eating like a piggy and  
getting love (that probably helps more than the meds...sigh).  So,  
if he is no longer having inflamed red eye tissue and green  
discharge, is he okay to mingle now?  He's not sneezing and he  
doesn't really have any eye discharge at all, besides his regular  
eye boogers that he is prone to getting.  He does not act like a  
sick cat (runs around like a maniac).  I haven't seen green eye funk  
since the day after I brought him home (Sunday) b/c he improved  
almost instantly.  I just wanted to know if anyone knows if he's  
been on the antibiotic almost a week now, & showing no signs of  
infection, can he be mingled with the other two kittens for play- 
time, or should I wait longer?

Thanks,
Caroline

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Re: question

[laurieskatz]

My Winston has herpes (not feleuk) and Zenoquin always gets him better.
L
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:12 PM
  Subject: Re: question


  Hi

  Well I am concerned it may be more than just infection. He acts totally 
normal though. So it is not really bothering him. He does have the rinny eyes 
typical of herpes. He had this last year with the initial onslaught of the 
FELV. He was negative 6 months before he tested positive.  I am hoping for URI. 

  What was your experience?

  Sally


  On Nov 15, 2007 11:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This could a bad tooth or a tumor in the nasal cavity.
SorryI'm not very comforting on this. This has been my experience.

In a message dated 11/14/2007 4:52:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
  Hi  Everyone

  Junior still has his URi he has had since at least August, he still eats 
well etc. His sinuses(i am guessing) smell bad. He has been two courses of 
antibiotics, Amoxicillin and Baytril for 20 days. NO luck. I am taking him in 
Friday, and want to know about those who have used azithromyacin. WHat is the 
protocol and how long, just in case my vet is clueless. Also Clindamycin worked 
a year ago, any thoughts there? 

  Thanks

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Re: question

[Sally Davis]

Thanks, I will see what Dr Satunton Thinks. He needs something stronger if
it is the herpes.

Sally

On Nov 15, 2007 8:45 PM, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  My Winston has herpes (not feleuk) and Zenoquin always gets him better.
> L
>
>  - Original Message -
> *From:* Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>   *Sent:* Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: question
>
> Hi
>
> Well I am concerned it may be more than just infection. He acts totally
> normal though. So it is not really bothering him. He does have the rinny
> eyes typical of herpes. He had this last year with the initial onslaught of
> the FELV. He was negative 6 months before he tested positive.  I am hoping
> for URI.
>
> What was your experience?
>
> Sally
>
> On Nov 15, 2007 11:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >   This could a bad tooth or a tumor in the nasal cavity.
> > SorryI'm not very comforting on this. This has been my experience.
> >
> > In a message dated 11/14/2007 4:52:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > Hi  Everyone
> >
> > Junior still has his URi he has had since at least August, he still eats
> > well etc. His sinuses(i am guessing) smell bad. He has been two courses of
> > antibiotics, Amoxicillin and Baytril for 20 days. NO luck. I am taking him
> > in Friday, and want to know about those who have used azithromyacin. WHat is
> > the protocol and how long, just in case my vet is clueless. Also Clindamycin
> > worked a year ago, any thoughts there?
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Re: question

[Sally Davis]

Hi

Well I am concerned it may be more than just infection. He acts totally
normal though. So it is not really bothering him. He does have the rinny
eyes typical of herpes. He had this last year with the initial onslaught of
the FELV. He was negative 6 months before he tested positive.  I am hoping
for URI.

What was your experience?

Sally

On Nov 15, 2007 11:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   This could a bad tooth or a tumor in the nasal cavity.
> SorryI'm not very comforting on this. This has been my experience.
>
> In a message dated 11/14/2007 4:52:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> Hi  Everyone
>
> Junior still has his URi he has had since at least August, he still eats
> well etc. His sinuses(i am guessing) smell bad. He has been two courses of
> antibiotics, Amoxicillin and Baytril for 20 days. NO luck. I am taking him
> in Friday, and want to know about those who have used azithromyacin. WHat is
> the protocol and how long, just in case my vet is clueless. Also Clindamycin
> worked a year ago, any thoughts there?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sally
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Re: question

[Sally Davis]

Oops

Eye discharge. He is on lysine ,Transfer Factor, manopol, colostrum ,and
probiotics. I had to treat him for tapeworm last week. I have not given him
his immunoregulin (maintenance shot this month).

Sally
On Nov 15, 2007 8:12 PM, Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Well I am concerned it may be more than just infection. He acts totally
> normal though. So it is not really bothering him. He does have the rinny
> eyes typical of herpes. He had this last year with the initial onslaught of
> the FELV. He was negative 6 months before he tested positive.  I am hoping
> for URI.
>
> What was your experience?
>
> Sally
>
>   On Nov 15, 2007 11:17 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >   This could a bad tooth or a tumor in the nasal cavity.
> > SorryI'm not very comforting on this. This has been my experience.
> >
> > In a message dated 11/14/2007 4:52:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > Hi  Everyone
> >
> > Junior still has his URi he has had since at least August, he still eats
> > well etc. His sinuses(i am guessing) smell bad. He has been two courses of
> > antibiotics, Amoxicillin and Baytril for 20 days. NO luck. I am taking him
> > in Friday, and want to know about those who have used azithromyacin. WHat is
> > the protocol and how long, just in case my vet is clueless. Also Clindamycin
> > worked a year ago, any thoughts there?
> >
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Re: question

[laurieskatz]

Coco just had terrible breath. It was a bad tooth. Extracted and she is doing 
famously.
Good luck. I don't like idea of long term antibiotics, either. Treating 
symptoms rather than finding cause.That said, we did a long term antibiotic 
treatment for our Isabella but not related to dental problems. She had 
skyrocket temperature. Is fabulous for now.
My best
L 
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:17 AM
  Subject: Re: question


  This could a bad tooth or a tumor in the nasal cavity.
  SorryI'm not very comforting on this. This has been my experience.

  In a message dated 11/14/2007 4:52:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
Hi  Everyone

Junior still has his URi he has had since at least August, he still eats 
well etc. His sinuses(i am guessing) smell bad. He has been two courses of 
antibiotics, Amoxicillin and Baytril for 20 days. NO luck. I am taking him in 
Friday, and want to know about those who have used azithromyacin. WHat is the 
protocol and how long, just in case my vet is clueless. Also Clindamycin worked 
a year ago, any thoughts there? 

Thanks

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Re: question

[TatorBunz]

 
 
This could a bad tooth or a tumor in the nasal cavity.
SorryI'm not very comforting on this. This has been my  experience.
 
In a message dated 11/14/2007 4:52:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi  Everyone
 
Junior still has his URi he has had since at least August, he still eats  
well etc. His sinuses(i am guessing) smell bad. He has been two courses of  
antibiotics, Amoxicillin and Baytril for 20 days. NO luck. I am taking him in  
Friday, and want to know about those who have used azithromyacin. WHat is the  
protocol and how long, just in case my vet is clueless. Also Clindamycin  
worked 
a year ago, any thoughts there? 
 
Thanks
 
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Re: question

[Sally Davis]

Thanks Sherry..
Sally

On Nov 14, 2007 7:57 PM, Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Sally,we use Azithromyacin with our URI cats.Usually five days in a row
> .When I used it for Genevieve it was 5 days in a row and then every 3 days
> for 3 more doses.
> I hope Junior feels better soon.
> Sherry
>
>
> *Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> Hi  Everyone
>
> Junior still has his URi he has had since at least August, he still eats
> well etc. His sinuses(i am guessing) smell bad. He has been two courses of
> antibiotics, Amoxicillin and Baytril for 20 days. NO luck. I am taking him
> in Friday, and want to know about those who have used azithromyacin. WHat is
> the protocol and how long, just in case my vet is clueless. Also Clindamycin
> worked a year ago, any thoughts there?
>
> Thanks
>
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[Sherry DeHaan]

Hi Sally,we use Azithromyacin with our URI cats.Usually five days in a row 
.When I used it for Genevieve it was 5 days in a row and then every 3 days for 
3 more doses.
  I hope Junior feels better soon.
  Sherry

Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi  Everyone
   
  Junior still has his URi he has had since at least August, he still eats well 
etc. His sinuses(i am guessing) smell bad. He has been two courses of 
antibiotics, Amoxicillin and Baytril for 20 days. NO luck. I am taking him in 
Friday, and want to know about those who have used azithromyacin. WHat is the 
protocol and how long, just in case my vet is clueless. Also Clindamycin worked 
a year ago, any thoughts there? 
   
  Thanks
   
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RE: Question

[Caroline Kaufmann]

I was told by a vet that they use Advantage on young kittens, but I can't 
remember what she said was the age.  8 weeks is definitely safe and I'm pretty 
sure that some vets would go even lower.  It's one of those things where "some 
vets think A/some think B."  All of my foster kittens had Advantage before they 
came to me and they were 3 months by that time (but teeny tiny- one didn't 
weigh 2 lbs yet).  But I was told Advantage is incredibly safe and I have never 
had a problem with it-- only positive results.  It can be used on really young 
kittens, you just have to tweak the dosage.  There are some people that know 
the dosing amounts-- maybe on this list?  I have an email about it somewhere I 
could maybe dig out and I can always ask the adoption agency people I work 
with, as I usually just refer to them when I need a dosage based on weight.  
-Caroline 


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How old do the kittens need to be to use advantage on them or any other flea 
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Advantage and Revolution are also 8 weeks and older.

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RE: Question about outdoor cat

[Caroline Kaufmann]

It's that transition of "taking her with me" that I am so concerned about.  I 
want her to be happy and I don't want her to be overly aggressive towards my 
wimpy kitties.  Izzee with no claws (I didn't do it!) is such a concern b/c she 
thinks she has claws- so she will swipe instinctively when she doesn't know 
what to do and another cat will not know she is clawless!
 
Brace yourself for this physical description b/c it's unique: Lil Girl is like 
nothing I have ever seen before and she should not be an outdoor cat.  She is 
calico, but also tortie? I don't know what she would be considered?...she's 
mainly a predominately light brown tortie b/c she has the tortie splotches, but 
with, I kid you not, white feet- all four.  It gets even better...she is tabby 
stripped too-- I swear- on the side of her cheeks, she has black tabby stripes. 
 She also has clear black tabby stripes winding up her back legs.  It still 
gets better...she is also Orange Tabby Striped!  She has the orange tabby tiger 
forehead markings- she has the orange tabby "M" on her head- and they are also 
kind of intertwined on her cheeks, side of her head with her black tabby 
stripes.  She has a deep tan nose pad and a tan and white center of her face-- 
with a mini white blaze on her nose.  She is so randomly painted, it almost 
seems not random at all...like it was an evil genuis's joke creation!  Her face 
is also kind of blunted in her mouth area, like she's been hit with a frying 
pan in the mouth, but the result is beautiful- she has very strong facial 
features and prominent cheek bones, very angular...she's just gorgeous!  Here's 
the best part (does it get better than that?), she has true green, green, cat 
eyes!  I can't believe she's living on the street with that distinctive look.  
She represents the ultimate in "cat mutt" to me and the end result is amazing.  
And she's really beefed up her small frame since I got rid of the tapeworms and 
keep her fed high quality food (she's an Eagle Pack nut!).
 
I just wish she wasn't such a TomCat trapped in a pretty little spayed female 
body!!  But that is the best way to describe her...very tomcat acting and that 
is why I worry about her integrating with cats who are anything but  
 
-Caroline   


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Question about outdoor catDate: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 
16:00:10 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]'d have to agree with the "take her" camp 
on this one.  I have this adorable girl that wandered to my house after I moved 
in.  I call her Whitey. :)  She's a gorgeous domestic longhair, with one blue 
eye and one brown. She's adorable, and sort of just moved in when I did and 
hasn't left.  All the neighborhood cats wander through my yard from time to 
time, and generally eat there once or twice a week, but Whitey has adopted us.  
She was horribly skinny and dirty when she came to the house...her long hair 
was matted all over her little body.  I've been slowly but surely brushing and 
loving her, and feeding her decent food. Her coat is just about slicked up.  
Almost all the mats are out of her fur, except her tail, and that has been 
tough!  But anyway, I've gotten quite attached to her.  I keep her treated with 
frontline, and fed.  She greets me every morning when I leave for work and 
every night when I get home, so I can definately relate to your situation, 
Caroline.  I think this winter I am going to buy her one of those electric 
heating pads for outdoor pets, and put it in a nice secure tent/box for her to 
keep warm.  I know for sure if I ever move, Whitey is going with me.  
-Original Message-From: Christiane Biagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 3:31 pmSubject: RE: Question about outdoor cat




TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him inside.  I 
did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the creeps 
whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  It took 
a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some boxes.  
Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there & covered all but two sides 
with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and putting 
his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom around 
the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box to.  He 
started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at night 
when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while I was 
in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he’d been eying!  Sure enough, 
that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning back!  
He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out—sort of looks at the other guys 
like they’re nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the

RE: Question about outdoor cat

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

See -- you two are further connected, through Monkee.  If you leave her behind, 
she'll have lost both of you.
 
Diane R. (can you see what my impulse would be? ;-))
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat


Yes,..she actually loved Monkee.  She never narrowed her eyes at him or hissed. 
 She truly liked him.  Over time they became buds thru the barrier of the porch 
between them and I really felt she conforted him and provided him company in 
the last months of his life when he wanted to do nothing but sit on the porch 
by himself- with her at the front door.  He would paw at the male cats under 
the front door and huff and puff at them, but he never did to her.  I think he 
had a crush on her!  She is the cat that would follow us around when Monkee 
went for walks on the leash and she was with us at the last walk (his first and 
only true leash-less walk b/c with the anemia, he wasn't going anywhere) he had 
a few days before he passed where all he really did was lay in the street 
pretending he was one of the colony cats...with Lil Girl nearby.  She also 
showed up in the early morning hours (she sleeps under my car a lot), when I 
took Monkee out of the house in his carrier eventually after he died and she 
got to say goodbye.  I wanted her to smell that he wasn't with us any more.  
She's my outdoor bud.  I found two tiny dead baby snakes on my property this 
summer at separate times (it broke my heart, poor things) and I buried them in 
the front yard and Lil Girl "helped" me.  But I got distracted from Lil Girl 
because I took in Izzee- who was living in a crate in a garage- and then the 
sick kittens, and I had to make quick decisions to help other cats who needed 
me more immediately...knowing that I was only further complicating and delaying 
the ultimate decision of what to do about Lil Girl when I move!
-Caroline 




________

Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:32:10 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


Carolyn, you never really know with cats, but MAYBE some of Lil Girl's 
Queen Bee attitude would dissipate once she got inside
because in THAT hierarchy she's the new girl in town.  Then again, 
maybe not, but it does happen.  Also, if you take the time to 
go through the socializing protocols from step one -- caging, food 
association, spending time, etc., and introduce the others to her
while she's still in the (mutual) safety of her cage, maybe she will 
learn to coexist.  I only have the experience of our former feral Fred, 
but in her case, there was never a cage but a room to herself, for 
months and months, with my housemate and I coming in 
nightly with food and conversation (we read her the 100 Best Fantasy 
and Science Fiction Stories ;-)).  Coincidentally, the room has 
a gaping hole where the doorknob should be, so she could easily hear 
the sounds of the house, and there was a large gap at the 
bottom of the door where she would play patty-paw with the others long 
before they met face to face.  When we finally opened the
door to them, it was so completely a non-event, most of them just gave 
her butt a little sniff and then went over to check that her food 
wasn't any better than theirs.  
 
I dunno, I think her barging in and making herself at home so soon 
after Monkee died was, well, kind of a sign, don't you, really?
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:52 PM
        To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat


Well, that is how my Monkee eventually became.  He was living outside, 
but likely belonged to someone before (he was neutered).  But Lil Girl is 
different because she's not afraid of even ONE thing!  So she definitely 
doesn't have that timid, scared feral thing going on.  Monkee was afraid of 
people and especially men for a long time.  And actually, if she was more 
afraid, my mom and I might be more confident about me taking her b/c we know 
how to manage that.  But as she is, her personality...we fear she might just 
continue to run roughshod over everything and everyone if we take her in!!!  
She looks at my foster kitties with utter distain from the front door!  I 
swear, she glares at them and narrows her eyes like they are just stupid little 
lunatics (which, they are!).  But I don't want her terrorizing my mom's cat and 
my sweet foster cat Izzee- who'

RE: Question about outdoor cat

[Caroline Kaufmann]

Yes,..she actually loved Monkee.  She never narrowed her eyes at him or hissed. 
 She truly liked him.  Over time they became buds thru the barrier of the porch 
between them and I really felt she conforted him and provided him company in 
the last months of his life when he wanted to do nothing but sit on the porch 
by himself- with her at the front door.  He would paw at the male cats under 
the front door and huff and puff at them, but he never did to her.  I think he 
had a crush on her!  She is the cat that would follow us around when Monkee 
went for walks on the leash and she was with us at the last walk (his first and 
only true leash-less walk b/c with the anemia, he wasn't going anywhere) he had 
a few days before he passed where all he really did was lay in the street 
pretending he was one of the colony cats...with Lil Girl nearby.  She also 
showed up in the early morning hours (she sleeps under my car a lot), when I 
took Monkee out of the house in his carrier eventually after he died and she 
got to say goodbye.  I wanted her to smell that he wasn't with us any more.  
She's my outdoor bud.  I found two tiny dead baby snakes on my property this 
summer at separate times (it broke my heart, poor things) and I buried them in 
the front yard and Lil Girl "helped" me.  But I got distracted from Lil Girl 
because I took in Izzee- who was living in a crate in a garage- and then the 
sick kittens, and I had to make quick decisions to help other cats who needed 
me more immediately...knowing that I was only further complicating and delaying 
the ultimate decision of what to do about Lil Girl when I move!
-Caroline 


Subject: RE: Question about outdoor catDate: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:32:10 
-0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



Carolyn, you never really know with cats, but MAYBE some of Lil Girl's Queen 
Bee attitude would dissipate once she got inside
because in THAT hierarchy she's the new girl in town.  Then again, maybe not, 
but it does happen.  Also, if you take the time to 
go through the socializing protocols from step one -- caging, food association, 
spending time, etc., and introduce the others to her
while she's still in the (mutual) safety of her cage, maybe she will learn to 
coexist.  I only have the experience of our former feral Fred, 
but in her case, there was never a cage but a room to herself, for months and 
months, with my housemate and I coming in 
nightly with food and conversation (we read her the 100 Best Fantasy and 
Science Fiction Stories ;-)).  Coincidentally, the room has 
a gaping hole where the doorknob should be, so she could easily hear the sounds 
of the house, and there was a large gap at the 
bottom of the door where she would play patty-paw with the others long before 
they met face to face.  When we finally opened the
door to them, it was so completely a non-event, most of them just gave her butt 
a little sniff and then went over to check that her food 
wasn't any better than theirs.  
 
I dunno, I think her barging in and making herself at home so soon after Monkee 
died was, well, kind of a sign, don't you, really?
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
KaufmannSent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:52 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: 
Question about outdoor cat
Well, that is how my Monkee eventually became.  He was living outside, but 
likely belonged to someone before (he was neutered).  But Lil Girl is different 
because she's not afraid of even ONE thing!  So she definitely doesn't have 
that timid, scared feral thing going on.  Monkee was afraid of people and 
especially men for a long time.  And actually, if she was more afraid, my mom 
and I might be more confident about me taking her b/c we know how to manage 
that.  But as she is, her personality...we fear she might just continue to run 
roughshod over everything and everyone if we take her in!!!  She looks at my 
foster kitties with utter distain from the front door!  I swear, she glares at 
them and narrows her eyes like they are just stupid little lunatics (which, 
they are!).  But I don't want her terrorizing my mom's cat and my sweet foster 
cat Izzee- who's become such a wonderful cat since I took the kittens in.  I 
really don't want to do anything that would "offend" Izzee or upset her!  After 
Monkee died and I had no cats for about a week, Lil Girl came busting into my 
house and on my front, screened porch!  Just marching around investigating like 
she owned the place.  She clearly has no fear and she just has that 
personality- you can just tell-- of "I'm going to do what I want to do when I 
want to do it!"  I've joked to my mom that maybe I will just scoop her up and 
put her in my mom's backyard- at least temporarily!  But my mom fears she will 
make the "incredible journey" back to her neighbo

RE: Question about outdoor cat

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Carolyn, you never really know with cats, but MAYBE some of Lil Girl's Queen 
Bee attitude would dissipate once she got inside
because in THAT hierarchy she's the new girl in town.  Then again, maybe not, 
but it does happen.  Also, if you take the time to 
go through the socializing protocols from step one -- caging, food association, 
spending time, etc., and introduce the others to her
while she's still in the (mutual) safety of her cage, maybe she will learn to 
coexist.  I only have the experience of our former feral Fred, 
but in her case, there was never a cage but a room to herself, for months and 
months, with my housemate and I coming in 
nightly with food and conversation (we read her the 100 Best Fantasy and 
Science Fiction Stories ;-)).  Coincidentally, the room has 
a gaping hole where the doorknob should be, so she could easily hear the sounds 
of the house, and there was a large gap at the 
bottom of the door where she would play patty-paw with the others long before 
they met face to face.  When we finally opened the
door to them, it was so completely a non-event, most of them just gave her butt 
a little sniff and then went over to check that her food 
wasn't any better than theirs.  
 
I dunno, I think her barging in and making herself at home so soon after Monkee 
died was, well, kind of a sign, don't you, really?
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat


Well, that is how my Monkee eventually became.  He was living outside, but 
likely belonged to someone before (he was neutered).  But Lil Girl is different 
because she's not afraid of even ONE thing!  So she definitely doesn't have 
that timid, scared feral thing going on.  Monkee was afraid of people and 
especially men for a long time.  And actually, if she was more afraid, my mom 
and I might be more confident about me taking her b/c we know how to manage 
that.  But as she is, her personality...we fear she might just continue to run 
roughshod over everything and everyone if we take her in!!!  She looks at my 
foster kitties with utter distain from the front door!  I swear, she glares at 
them and narrows her eyes like they are just stupid little lunatics (which, 
they are!).  But I don't want her terrorizing my mom's cat and my sweet foster 
cat Izzee- who's become such a wonderful cat since I took the kittens in.  I 
really don't want to do anything that would "offend" Izzee or upset her!  After 
Monkee died and I had no cats for about a week, Lil Girl came busting into my 
house and on my front, screened porch!  Just marching around investigating like 
she owned the place.  She clearly has no fear and she just has that 
personality- you can just tell-- of "I'm going to do what I want to do when I 
want to do it!"  I've joked to my mom that maybe I will just scoop her up and 
put her in my mom's backyard- at least temporarily!  But my mom fears she will 
make the "incredible journey" back to her neighborhood/colony 
instinctively?  We feel like we just don't know anything about 
colony/outdoor cats like her and don't feel confident in our abilities to make 
a decision I guess?
-Caroline  




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:31:45 -0400



TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him 
inside.  I did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the 
creeps whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  
It took a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some 
boxes.  Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there & covered all but 
two sides with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and 
putting his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom 
around the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box 
to.  He started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at 
night when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while 
I was in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he'd been eying!  Sure 
enough, that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning 
back!  He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out-sort of looks at the 
other guys like they're nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the absolutely most 
affectionate cat I've ever had.  BUT, the one thing I still can't do is 
actually pick him up.  He'll sit on my lap (or on my chest when I try to 
sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pic

Re: Question about outdoor cat

[ofalegend]

By the way, I forgot to mention she's solid white...hence the name "Whitey," 
which I jokingly called her because I never expected her to move in. lol


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 4:00 pm
Subject: Re: Question about outdoor cat


I'd have to agree with the "take her" camp on this one.  I have this adorable 
girl that wandered to my house after I moved in.  I call her Whitey. :)  She's 
a gorgeous domestic longhair, with one blue eye and one brown. She's adorable, 
and sort of just moved in when I did and hasn't left.  All the neighborhood 
cats wander through my yard from time to time, and generally eat there once or 
twice a week, but Whitey has adopted us.  She was horribly skinny and dirty 
when she came to the house...her long hair was matted all over her little 
body.  I've been slowly but surely brushing and loving her, and feeding her 
decent food. Her coat is just about slicked up.  Almost all the mats are out of 
her fur, except her tail, and that has been tough!  But anyway, I've gotten 
quite attached to her.  I keep her treated with frontline, and fed.  She greets 
me every morning when I leave for work and every night when I get home, so I 
can definately relate to your situation, Caroline.  I think this winter I am 
going to buy her one of those electric heating pads for outdoor pets, and put 
it in a nice secure tent/box for her to keep warm.  I know for sure if I ever 
move, Whitey is going with me.  





-Original Message-
From: Christiane Biagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 3:31 pm
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat




TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him inside.  I 
did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the creeps 
whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  It took 
a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some boxes.  
Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there & covered all but two sides 
with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and putting 
his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom around 
the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box to.  He 
started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at night 
when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while I was 
in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he’d been eying!  Sure enough, 
that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning back!  
He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out—sort of looks at the other guys 
like they’re nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the absolutely most 
affectionate cat I’ve ever had.  BUT, the one thing I still can’t do is 
actually pick him up.  He’ll sit on my lap (or on my chest when I try to 
sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pick him up.  Vet visits & 
crating are real tough so I have to keep that to an absolute miminum

 

Sooo, this little one has already staked you out as hers!  I say take her; keep 
her in a big wire cage with some increasing freedoms and watch her become a big 
mush!

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Question about outdoor cat



 

This is my final question I promise.  But it's been looming over my head for a 
long time now and it's really distressing me.  I know I have told you all that 
my street has neighborhood 24/7 outdoor cats that technically belong to a lady 
a few houses up from me.  But all the neighbors kind of look after them and 
some feed/keep water out.  The lady who brought them to the street "rescued" 
them from her sister- whom she said wasn't taking care of them- the sister had 
not spayed/neutered.  She got connected with one of the local agencies and had 
them all fixed for a discount (she is low income).  She already has five indoor 
cats so these cats became outdoor cats.  Almost all of them have clipped ears 
(except one) that show they have been fixed.  Some of them started out as 
indoor/outdoor and then I guess found they liked being like colony cats better 
so they pretty much stay out year round.  She has a front porch where she has 
boxes set up for them in the winter, etc.  They are all male, except for one.   
 
 
I started feeding them too myself when I moved to the street over a year ago 
because I didn't know the situation- were they homeless, etc.?  I finally got 
the whole story.  There is one, a little girl who I call, "Lil Girl" who pretty 
much has re-transplanted herself to my property.  I treated her for tapeworms 
and I have been giving her Advantage thru the summer.  I was wor

Re: Question about outdoor cat

[ofalegend]

I'd have to agree with the "take her" camp on this one.  I have this adorable 
girl that wandered to my house after I moved in.  I call her Whitey. :)  She's 
a gorgeous domestic longhair, with one blue eye and one brown. She's adorable, 
and sort of just moved in when I did and hasn't left.  All the neighborhood 
cats wander through my yard from time to time, and generally eat there once or 
twice a week, but Whitey has adopted us.  She was horribly skinny and dirty 
when she came to the house...her long hair was matted all over her little 
body.  I've been slowly but surely brushing and loving her, and feeding her 
decent food. Her coat is just about slicked up.  Almost all the mats are out of 
her fur, except her tail, and that has been tough!  But anyway, I've gotten 
quite attached to her.  I keep her treated with frontline, and fed.  She greets 
me every morning when I leave for work and every night when I get home, so I 
can definately relate to your situation, Caroline.  I think this winter I am 
going to buy her one of those electric heating pads for outdoor pets, and put 
it in a nice secure tent/box for her to keep warm.  I know for sure if I ever 
move, Whitey is going with me.  





-Original Message-
From: Christiane Biagi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 3:31 pm
Subject: RE: Question about outdoor cat




TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him inside.  I 
did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the creeps 
whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  It took 
a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some boxes.  
Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there & covered all but two sides 
with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and putting 
his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom around 
the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box to.  He 
started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at night 
when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while I was 
in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he’d been eying!  Sure enough, 
that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning back!  
He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out—sort of looks at the other guys 
like they’re nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the absolutely most 
affectionate cat I’ve ever had.  BUT, the one thing I still can’t do is 
actually pick him up.  He’ll sit on my lap (or on my chest when I try to 
sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pick him up.  Vet visits & 
crating are real tough so I have to keep that to an absolute miminum

 

Sooo, this little one has already staked you out as hers!  I say take her; keep 
her in a big wire cage with some increasing freedoms and watch her become a big 
mush!

 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Question about outdoor cat



 

This is my final question I promise.  But it's been looming over my head for a 
long time now and it's really distressing me.  I know I have told you all that 
my street has neighborhood 24/7 outdoor cats that technically belong to a lady 
a few houses up from me.  But all the neighbors kind of look after them and 
some feed/keep water out.  The lady who brought them to the street "rescued" 
them from her sister- whom she said wasn't taking care of them- the sister had 
not spayed/neutered.  She got connected with one of the local agencies and had 
them all fixed for a discount (she is low income).  She already has five indoor 
cats so these cats became outdoor cats.  Almost all of them have clipped ears 
(except one) that show they have been fixed.  Some of them started out as 
indoor/outdoor and then I guess found they liked being like colony cats better 
so they pretty much stay out year round.  She has a front porch where she has 
boxes set up for them in the winter, etc.  They are all male, except for one.   
 
 
I started feeding them too myself when I moved to the street over a year ago 
because I didn't know the situation- were they homeless, etc.?  I finally got 
the whole story.  There is one, a little girl who I call, "Lil Girl" who pretty 
much has re-transplanted herself to my property.  I treated her for tapeworms 
and I have been giving her Advantage thru the summer.  I was worried about her 
being so small, even tho she's about 5 yo, so I kept feeding her quality food 
to beef her up, even after determining her sort-of home situation.  But now she 
is a permanent resident pretty much at my front door.  She is there every 
morning waiting for me and in the evening. It so sad because I do not o

RE: Question about outdoor cat

[Caroline Kaufmann]

Well, that is how my Monkee eventually became.  He was living outside, but 
likely belonged to someone before (he was neutered).  But Lil Girl is different 
because she's not afraid of even ONE thing!  So she definitely doesn't have 
that timid, scared feral thing going on.  Monkee was afraid of people and 
especially men for a long time.  And actually, if she was more afraid, my mom 
and I might be more confident about me taking her b/c we know how to manage 
that.  But as she is, her personality...we fear she might just continue to run 
roughshod over everything and everyone if we take her in!!!  She looks at my 
foster kitties with utter distain from the front door!  I swear, she glares at 
them and narrows her eyes like they are just stupid little lunatics (which, 
they are!).  But I don't want her terrorizing my mom's cat and my sweet foster 
cat Izzee- who's become such a wonderful cat since I took the kittens in.  I 
really don't want to do anything that would "offend" Izzee or upset her!  After 
Monkee died and I had no cats for about a week, Lil Girl came busting into my 
house and on my front, screened porch!  Just marching around investigating like 
she owned the place.  She clearly has no fear and she just has that 
personality- you can just tell-- of "I'm going to do what I want to do when I 
want to do it!"  I've joked to my mom that maybe I will just scoop her up and 
put her in my mom's backyard- at least temporarily!  But my mom fears she will 
make the "incredible journey" back to her neighborhood/colony 
instinctively?  We feel like we just don't know anything about 
colony/outdoor cats like her and don't feel confident in our abilities to make 
a decision I guess?
-Caroline  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: Question about outdoor catDate: 
Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:31:45 -0400






TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him inside.  I 
did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the creeps 
whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  It took 
a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some boxes.  
Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there & covered all but two sides 
with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel open and putting 
his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to the bathroom around 
the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving the litter box to.  He 
started eating/going to the box only when nobody was in the room or at night 
when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one day he went out while I was 
in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed he’d been eying!  Sure enough, 
that did it.  Once he found the creature comforts there was no turning back!  
He rarely sits at the window or tries to go out—sort of looks at the other guys 
like they’re nuts for wanting to go out!  He is the absolutely most 
affectionate cat I’ve ever had.  BUT, the one thing I still can’t do is 
actually pick him up.  He’ll sit on my lap (or on my chest when I try to 
sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pick him up.  Vet visits & 
crating are real tough so I have to keep that to an absolute miminum
 
Sooo, this little one has already staked you out as hers!  I say take her; keep 
her in a big wire cage with some increasing freedoms and watch her become a big 
mush!
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
KaufmannSent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OT: 
Question about outdoor cat
 
This is my final question I promise.  But it's been looming over my head for a 
long time now and it's really distressing me.  I know I have told you all that 
my street has neighborhood 24/7 outdoor cats that technically belong to a lady 
a few houses up from me.  But all the neighbors kind of look after them and 
some feed/keep water out.  The lady who brought them to the street "rescued" 
them from her sister- whom she said wasn't taking care of them- the sister had 
not spayed/neutered.  She got connected with one of the local agencies and had 
them all fixed for a discount (she is low income).  She already has five indoor 
cats so these cats became outdoor cats.  Almost all of them have clipped ears 
(except one) that show they have been fixed.  Some of them started out as 
indoor/outdoor and then I guess found they liked being like colony cats better 
so they pretty much stay out year round.  She has a front porch where she has 
boxes set up for them in the winter, etc.  They are all male, except for one.   
  I started feeding them too myself when I moved to the street over a year ago 
because I didn't know the situation- were they homeless, etc.?  I finally got 
the whole story.  There is one, a little girl who I call, "Lil Girl" who pretty

RE: Question about outdoor cat

[Christiane Biagi]

TAKE HER!  I was feeding my Romeo for 2 years before I brought him inside.
I did so only because the temperature was going to below zero and the creeps
whose house he lived under boarded up his access so he had no shelter.  It
took a few weeks of him in a large kennel in my bedroom propped up on some
boxes.  Initially, I put his box and his food dish in there & covered all
but two sides with a sheet.  Then I started leaving the door to the kennel
open and putting his food on the floor just below.  Then I brought him to
the bathroom around the corner in the kennel to show him where I was moving
the litter box to.  He started eating/going to the box only when nobody was
in the room or at night when he thought I was asleep.  But sure enough, one
day he went out while I was in the room on my computer and jumped on the bed
he’d been eying!  Sure enough, that did it.  Once he found the creature
comforts there was no turning back!  He rarely sits at the window or tries
to go out—sort of looks at the other guys like they’re nuts for wanting to
go out!  He is the absolutely most affectionate cat I’ve ever had.  BUT, the
one thing I still can’t do is actually pick him up.  He’ll sit on my lap (or
on my chest when I try to sleep!) but squirms out real fast if I try to pick
him up.  Vet visits & crating are real tough so I have to keep that to an
absolute miminum

 

Sooo, this little one has already staked you out as hers!  I say take her;
keep her in a big wire cage with some increasing freedoms and watch her
become a big mush!

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Question about outdoor cat

 

This is my final question I promise.  But it's been looming over my head for
a long time now and it's really distressing me.  I know I have told you all
that my street has neighborhood 24/7 outdoor cats that technically belong to
a lady a few houses up from me.  But all the neighbors kind of look after
them and some feed/keep water out.  The lady who brought them to the street
"rescued" them from her sister- whom she said wasn't taking care of them-
the sister had not spayed/neutered.  She got connected with one of the local
agencies and had them all fixed for a discount (she is low income).  She
already has five indoor cats so these cats became outdoor cats.  Almost all
of them have clipped ears (except one) that show they have been fixed.  Some
of them started out as indoor/outdoor and then I guess found they liked
being like colony cats better so they pretty much stay out year round.  She
has a front porch where she has boxes set up for them in the winter, etc.
They are all male, except for one.
 
I started feeding them too myself when I moved to the street over a year ago
because I didn't know the situation- were they homeless, etc.?  I finally
got the whole story.  There is one, a little girl who I call, "Lil Girl" who
pretty much has re-transplanted herself to my property.  I treated her for
tapeworms and I have been giving her Advantage thru the summer.  I was
worried about her being so small, even tho she's about 5 yo, so I kept
feeding her quality food to beef her up, even after determining her sort-of
home situation.  But now she is a permanent resident pretty much at my front
door.  She is there every morning waiting for me and in the evening. It so
sad because I do not own my house and my landlord needs his house back and I
am moving the weekend after next.  I don't know what to do?  The other
outdoor cats who I feed are just occasional visitors-- they will be fine
without me and I will have a talk with all the neighbors about calling me if
something happens and I was going to leave a couple bags of expensive,
quality food with the lady up the street to feed them, etc.  I know I will
stop by a lot to check on them because I am very tied to the neighborhood by
exercise classes I attend, etc.  But I am really upset about the Lil Girl.
I can't tell if she just hangs out with me and at my house JUST BECAUSE I
feed her and she likes my food better or because she likes me?  I worry
about the effect of my leaving on her?  She'll be waiting for me the next
morning and I won't show?  My landlord is allergic to cats and I doubt he
will be feeding them (I have to have a talk with him about at least being
nice to them tho and letting him know they will be at the door for a while
until they "figure it out."  He's young and a hippy/nature person, so he
will be cool about it, he just won't be the cat-person that I was).  But
everytime I think about Lil Girl, I just want to cry.  She's beautiful, but
she's a top banana- she's runs roughshod over the much larger outdoor boy
cats- three and 4 times her size!  It's already going to be crazy enough at
my mom's house trying to integrate my declawed Izzee with my mom's hissing,
scratching Tally, my mom's new Humane Society dog who doesn't like
Tally/

Re: Question about eye ulcers -Update

[Susan Dubose]

Yes, there are tumors that are non cancerous.

But it is my understanding, in people anyway, that any tumor in the brain is 
automatically considered cancer for some reason.

I could be wrong on this.

I was told this from my friend who has a tumor on her pituitary gland, which 
has since "sprung" a baby.

She has named them"pete"& "repeat".

Great gal.

Usedtowork w/her @ the AHS in the clinic, very dedicated to the animals.

Went towork for the HSUS on movie sets,now she regulates the animal usage in 
films.

The stories she can tell :)

After Katrina she took sometime off tohelp in New Orleans, was trained to do 
"water rescues".

I need to email her.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Behnke 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:42 PM
  Subject: RE: Question about eye ulcers -Update


  I have had a cat once before who ended up with one eye, his cornea had 
flipped and his eye had to be removed.  He never acted like he was missing 
anything.  Right now I am very glad to have had that experience so I have 
little worries about her being one-eyed.  I did ask the vet about cancer, and 
she feels that the tumor is not cancer related, and that I should not worry 
about that.  My husband asked me if there is such a thing as a tumor not being 
cancer, and I realized that I have no idea.  I told my boss at work today about 
the surgery and was surprised that she offered me the day off (she is NOT an 
animal person).  I will keep you all posted as soon as I know anything.  I 
appreciate all of your thoughts, prayers and support.  This is especially hard 
with my mother living 2000 miles away and not being able to be here for me.  

   

  Thank you all,

  Chris

   

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
  Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:48 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers -Update

   

  Chris, 

   

  Prayers that little Kaylee's surgery is a success.  I'm sorry you guys are 
going through this.  I never even considered a tumor when I read your posts.  
Did the vet think that the cancer will be limited to the eye only?  I sure hope 
so.  Our Smookie only has one eye and she does great.  She doesn't even know 
she only has one eye!  So Kaylee should do just fine being a pirate!  Please 
keep us posted tomorrow or soon after if you get a chance and let us know how 
she does.  She's lucky to have you in her corner!  

   

  :)

  Wendy
   

  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~

   

  - Original Message 
  From: Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2007 7:33:43 PM
  Subject: Question about eye ulcers -Update

  Well, after spending over 2 hours at the vets this morning, it turns out that 
Kaylee does not have conjunctivitis, herpes or a corneal ulcer.  What she does 
have is a tumor.  She will be going into surgery on Tuesday to have the tumor 
and, unfortunately, the eye removed.  I am very worried about this since I have 
heard so many horror stories about FeLV+ cats not making it through surgery.  
Please say a prayer for a successful surgery, removal of the tumor and a good 
recovery.  

   

  Thanks,
  Chris

   

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RE: Question about eye ulcers -Update

[Chris Behnke]

I have had a cat once before who ended up with one eye, his cornea had
flipped and his eye had to be removed.  He never acted like he was missing
anything.  Right now I am very glad to have had that experience so I have
little worries about her being one-eyed.  I did ask the vet about cancer,
and she feels that the tumor is not cancer related, and that I should not
worry about that.  My husband asked me if there is such a thing as a tumor
not being cancer, and I realized that I have no idea.  I told my boss at
work today about the surgery and was surprised that she offered me the day
off (she is NOT an animal person).  I will keep you all posted as soon as I
know anything.  I appreciate all of your thoughts, prayers and support.
This is especially hard with my mother living 2000 miles away and not being
able to be here for me.  

 

Thank you all,

Chris

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers -Update

 

Chris, 

 

Prayers that little Kaylee's surgery is a success.  I'm sorry you guys are
going through this.  I never even considered a tumor when I read your posts.
Did the vet think that the cancer will be limited to the eye only?  I sure
hope so.  Our Smookie only has one eye and she does great.  She doesn't even
know she only has one eye!  So Kaylee should do just fine being a pirate!
Please keep us posted tomorrow or soon after if you get a chance and let us
know how she does.  She's lucky to have you in her corner!  

 

:)

Wendy
 

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
Meade ~~~

 

- Original Message 
From: Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2007 7:33:43 PM
Subject: Question about eye ulcers -Update

Well, after spending over 2 hours at the vets this morning, it turns out
that Kaylee does not have conjunctivitis, herpes or a corneal ulcer.  What
she does have is a tumor.  She will be going into surgery on Tuesday to have
the tumor and, unfortunately, the eye removed.  I am very worried about this
since I have heard so many horror stories about FeLV+ cats not making it
through surgery.  Please say a prayer for a successful surgery, removal of
the tumor and a good recovery.  

 

Thanks,
Chris

 

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Re: Question about eye ulcers -Update

[wendy]

Chris, 

Prayers that little Kaylee's surgery is a success.  I'm sorry you guys are 
going through this.  I never even considered a tumor when I read your posts.  
Did the vet think that the cancer will be limited to the eye only?  I sure hope 
so.  Our Smookie only has one eye and she does great.  She doesn't even know 
she only has one eye!  So Kaylee should do just fine being a pirate!  Please 
keep us posted tomorrow or soon after if you get a chance and let us know how 
she does.  She's lucky to have you in her corner!  

:)
Wendy
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2007 7:33:43 PM
Subject: Question about eye ulcers -Update


Well, after spending over 2 hours at the vets this morning, it turns out that 
Kaylee does not have conjunctivitis, herpes or a corneal ulcer.  What she does 
have is a tumor.  She will be going into surgery on Tuesday to have the tumor 
and, unfortunately, the eye removed.  I am very worried about this since I have 
heard so many horror stories about FeLV+ cats not making it through surgery.  
Please say a prayer for a successful surgery, removal of the tumor and a good 
recovery.  
 
Thanks,
Chris


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RE: Question about eye ulcers -Update

[Melissa Lind]

Thinking about you and Kaylee. I hope everything turns out okay. Hoping for
the best.

 

Melissa

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Behnke
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 7:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question about eye ulcers -Update

 

Well, after spending over 2 hours at the vets this morning, it turns out
that Kaylee does not have conjunctivitis, herpes or a corneal ulcer.  What
she does have is a tumor.  She will be going into surgery on Tuesday to have
the tumor and, unfortunately, the eye removed.  I am very worried about this
since I have heard so many horror stories about FeLV+ cats not making it
through surgery.  Please say a prayer for a successful surgery, removal of
the tumor and a good recovery.  

 

Thanks,
Chris


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Re: Question about eye ulcers -Update

[catatonya]

Chris,
   
  I'll be pulling for Kaylee.
   
  tonya

Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, after spending over 2 hours at the vets this morning, it 
turns out that Kaylee does not have conjunctivitis, herpes or a corneal ulcer.  
What she does have is a tumor.  She will be going into surgery on Tuesday to 
have the tumor and, unfortunately, the eye removed.  I am very worried about 
this since I have heard so many horror stories about FeLV+ cats not making it 
through surgery.  Please say a prayer for a successful surgery, removal of the 
tumor and a good recovery.  
   
  Thanks,
Chris


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Re: Question about eye ulcers -Update

[TatorBunz]

 
 
Oh ChrisI'm so sorry to hear this!
Kaylee will be in my thoughts and prayers  totally.
 
This isn't something to stomach very well as I  know.
But there are cats/kittens that do make it through the surgery  without any 
complications.
Miracles do happen!
My experience with this is you become a nervous wreck over  this.
Sorry for being straight forward about  this.
It's not easy dealing with something of this  nature.
 
Please read my pet memorial below my Angel Taz he had the same  thing.
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/8/2007 5:35:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
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Well,  after spending over 2 hours at the vets this morning, it turns out 
that Kaylee  does not have conjunctivitis, herpes or a corneal ulcer.  What she 
does  have is a tumor.  She will be going into surgery on Tuesday to have the  
tumor and, unfortunately, the eye removed.  I am very worried about this  
since I have heard so many horror stories about FeLV+ cats not making it  
through 
surgery.  Please say a prayer for a successful surgery, removal  of the tumor 
and a good recovery.   
Thanks,
Chris




 
  
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Re: Question about eye ulcers -Update

[Susan Dubose]

I am so sorry, Chris, for you & little Kaylee...

Please give her a hug from all of us and my cats say "Goodluck, our kitty 
prayers are w/you!"


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  - Original Message - 
  From: Chris Behnke 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 7:33 PM
  Subject: Question about eye ulcers -Update


  Well, after spending over 2 hours at the vets this morning, it turns out that 
Kaylee does not have conjunctivitis, herpes or a corneal ulcer.  What she does 
have is a tumor.  She will be going into surgery on Tuesday to have the tumor 
and, unfortunately, the eye removed.  I am very worried about this since I have 
heard so many horror stories about FeLV+ cats not making it through surgery.  
Please say a prayer for a successful surgery, removal of the tumor and a good 
recovery.  

   

  Thanks,
  Chris



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Re: Question about eye ulcers

[TatorBunz]

My suggestion is get the kitty in to be checked out by your  Vet.
Because you never know...second guessing doesn't  matter.
I've never heard of a Vet removing dead tissue around the eyes  unless there 
was prior surgery in the area.
 
I recently rescued a male Siamese/Birman from a smaller rescue  that had a 
eye problem. 
 
I noticed it was purple and his right side of his face was  whitish looking.  
Also, with Purebred Siamese even Siamese mix cats/kittens when  they are ill 
or have something wrong with them they tend to get lighter colors  around 
their face especially around their eyes. Normally the first signs with my  
experience. Being around Siamese all my life I've learned a lot about them and  
still 
learning. (almost 50 yrs)
 
I questioned the smaller rescue as to why they didn't get  the eye treated 
right away instead of worrying whether he was neutered or  not.
Anyway, the following morning of his Vet visit to be checked  out his eye 
burst. Then came the oozing and pus. My husband about passed out  when he saw 
this.
So needless to say there was nothing we could do for this  kitty's eye. His 
eye was removed and was on antibiotics for 7  days.
You look at him now and see the his natural colors coming back  around the 
face.
By the way he is a huge Siamese/Birman (18 pounds still  blooming) 
and a total love-bug!
Also, want to include he was accused of getting all the  female cats in his 
old neighborhood pregnant. 
(He was already neutered so the joke is on the neighborhood  they got the 
wrong cat)
He isn't going back!!! 
When he is totally better will be adopted out to a family that  will love him.
 
 
  
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Re: Question about eye ulcers

[wendy]

I don't think the vet can remove dead eye tissue but not sure.  Have you tried 
lysine?

:)
Wendy
 
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- Original Message 
From: Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 3, 2007 8:06:56 PM
Subject: RE: Question about eye ulcers


How can you tell if it is an ulcer?  Would you recommend having the 
dead/diseased tissue removed?  Any help is appreciated as I think one of my 
girls may have this.
 
Thanks,
Chris


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Re: Question about eye ulcers

[Kelley Saveika]

I am not able to tell if it is an ulcer on my own.  Maybe someone with
more experience than me can.  I take the cat to the vet and he puts a
solution in the eye, then turns out the lights and looks at the eye
with an instrument.

I have never had any sort of tissue removed from an eye.  I do have a
cat who is blind in one eye who may need the whole thing removed, but
I've never heard of having anythign removed for an ulcer..

On 9/3/07, Chris Behnke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> How can you tell if it is an ulcer?  Would you recommend having the
> dead/diseased tissue removed?  Any help is appreciated as I think one of my
> girls may have this.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
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RE: question re Mickey's bent ear

[catatonya]

That's great news Kerry.  I hope his ears don't have any more problems.
  t

"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks so much Kerry, Nina, Phaewryn, Sally and Susan---sorry if I 
missed anyone---for diagnosing Mickey's condition and generally making me feel 
a whole lot better on Sunday (and helping me make the decision NOT to go to 
emergency clinic, where, apart from anything else, they are not particularly 
nice to feral/semi-feral cats). I took Mickey to my own vet last night, he 
confirmed it was hematoma (sp) and he drained the ear---ton of blood came out. 
If it recurs he'll use the more elaborate (and expensive---that's what I love 
abt my vet; he always tries the simpler and less expensive solution first) 
procedure that involves both anesthetic and inserting a temporary drain device 
in his ear. The trouble is Mickey's ear is still bent over -- perhaps not as 
much -- so with him being semi-feral it's going to be tricky knowing if the 
problem returns. 
  But at least for now we're ok---thanks again SO much everyone!
  Kerry & Mickey



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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: question re Mickey's bent ear


  
  Junior has this as part of his condition.
   
  He has hematomas in both ears. The vet does not want to stress him by 
draining them, so they are that way all the time. He has no infection or ear 
mites. It must feel funny to him. He looks like  a Scottish Fold kitty. His 
ears are real fat. He does like to have them rubbed. 
   
  I remember a Tom Cat we had on the farm I had as a kid. He had the 
cauliflower ears. I thought it was from fighting, but I now know it was 
probably from ear mites. 
   
  Sally

 
  On 8/26/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kerry

 
   
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RE: Question about eye ulcers

[Chris Behnke]

How can you tell if it is an ulcer?  Would you recommend having the
dead/diseased tissue removed?  Any help is appreciated as I think one of my
girls may have this.

 

Thanks,

Chris


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Re: question re Mickey's bent ear

[Susan Dubose]

A, that's Kerry, for the great update.

Hopefully Little Micky will not have a reoccurring problem.


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www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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  - Original Message - 
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:17 AM
  Subject: RE: question re Mickey's bent ear


  Thanks so much Kerry, Nina, Phaewryn, Sally and Susan---sorry if I missed 
anyone---for diagnosing Mickey's condition and generally making me feel a whole 
lot better on Sunday (and helping me make the decision NOT to go to emergency 
clinic, where, apart from anything else, they are not particularly nice to 
feral/semi-feral cats). I took Mickey to my own vet last night, he confirmed it 
was hematoma (sp) and he drained the ear---ton of blood came out. If it recurs 
he'll use the more elaborate (and expensive---that's what I love abt my vet; he 
always tries the simpler and less expensive solution first) procedure that 
involves both anesthetic and inserting a temporary drain device in his ear. The 
trouble is Mickey's ear is still bent over -- perhaps not as much -- so with 
him being semi-feral it's going to be tricky knowing if the problem returns. 

  But at least for now we're ok---thanks again SO much everyone!

  Kerry & Mickey



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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:54 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: question re Mickey's bent ear

RE: question re Mickey's bent ear

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks so much Kerry, Nina, Phaewryn, Sally and Susan---sorry if I
missed anyone---for diagnosing Mickey's condition and generally making
me feel a whole lot better on Sunday (and helping me make the decision
NOT to go to emergency clinic, where, apart from anything else, they are
not particularly nice to feral/semi-feral cats). I took Mickey to my own
vet last night, he confirmed it was hematoma (sp) and he drained the
ear---ton of blood came out. If it recurs he'll use the more elaborate
(and expensive---that's what I love abt my vet; he always tries the
simpler and less expensive solution first) procedure that involves both
anesthetic and inserting a temporary drain device in his ear. The
trouble is Mickey's ear is still bent over -- perhaps not as much -- so
with him being semi-feral it's going to be tricky knowing if the problem
returns. 

But at least for now we're ok---thanks again SO much everyone!

Kerry & Mickey


  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: question re Mickey's bent ear


Junior has this as part of his condition.
 
He has hematomas in both ears. The vet does not want to stress him by
draining them, so they are that way all the time. He has no infection or
ear mites. It must feel funny to him. He looks like  a Scottish Fold
kitty. His ears are real fat. He does like to have them rubbed. 
 
I remember a Tom Cat we had on the farm I had as a kid. He had the
cauliflower ears. I thought it was from fighting, but I now know it was
probably from ear mites. 
 
Sally

 
On 8/26/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

Kerry

 
 
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Re: question re Mickey's bent ear

[Susan Dubose]

Kitties sure do LOVE a good ear massage.

LOTS of nerve endings in their ears...

Very soothingvery soothing.


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www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
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   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:54 PM
  Subject: Re: question re Mickey's bent ear


  Junior has this as part of his condition.

  He has hematomas in both ears. The vet does not want to stress him by 
draining them, so they are that way all the time. He has no infection or ear 
mites. It must feel funny to him. He looks like  a Scottish Fold kitty. His 
ears are real fat. He does like to have them rubbed. 

  I remember a Tom Cat we had on the farm I had as a kid. He had the 
cauliflower ears. I thought it was from fighting, but I now know it was 
probably from ear mites. 

  Sally

   
  On 8/26/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
Kerry

 

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Re: question re Mickey's bent ear

[Sally Davis]

Junior has this as part of his condition.

He has hematomas in both ears. The vet does not want to stress him by
draining them, so they are that way all the time. He has no infection or ear
mites. It must feel funny to him. He looks like  a Scottish Fold kitty. His
ears are real fat. He does like to have them rubbed.

I remember a Tom Cat we had on the farm I had as a kid. He had the
cauliflower ears. I thought it was from fighting, but I now know it was
probably from ear mites.

Sally


On 8/26/07, MacKenzie, Kerry N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Kerry
>
>
>
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RE: question re Mickey's bent ear

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Got it!--thanks again Susan!

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 12:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: question re Mickey's bent ear


Kerry,
 
It's a "hematoma",not a "hematella"..
 
Takes me awhile for my brain to kick in after my mouth is
engaged..  :)
 
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 

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From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: question re Mickey's bent ear

Hi guys,
Whe I came home yesterday, I noticed Mickey's right ear was bent
over flat. I thought it was a temporary thing that he could/would fix
himself, but that's not the case. It's still the same today. Poor fellow
has been rubbing it like crazy. Anyone got any experience of this? He's
feral so I can't handle him or check his ear without doing the
horrendous chase and catch routine. I'm envisaging I'll need to do the
chase and catch routine to take him to the vet to get it fixed, but
meanwhile any ideas on what could be wrong with his ear, and how serious
this could be, welcome. 
Thanks as always
Kerry

 
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Re: question re Mickey's bent ear

[Susan Dubose]

Kerry,

It's a "hematoma",not a "hematella"..

Takes me awhile for my brain to kick in after my mouth is engaged..  :)


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www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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  - Original Message - 
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:39 AM
  Subject: question re Mickey's bent ear


  Hi guys,
  Whe I came home yesterday, I noticed Mickey's right ear was bent over flat. I 
thought it was a temporary thing that he could/would fix himself, but that's 
not the case. It's still the same today. Poor fellow has been rubbing it like 
crazy. Anyone got any experience of this? He's feral so I can't handle him or 
check his ear without doing the horrendous chase and catch routine. I'm 
envisaging I'll need to do the chase and catch routine to take him to the vet 
to get it fixed, but meanwhile any ideas on what could be wrong with his ear, 
and how serious this could be, welcome. 
  Thanks as always
  Kerry



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Re: question re Mickey's bent ear

[Susan Dubose]

No problemo.

Underneath the ear you will probably find a HUGE mass of fluid (blood?) from a 
burst blood vessel.

Anyone is welcome to correct me, of course, I haven't dealt w/this situation 
for about 10 yrs.


Keep us posted, Kerry!

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  - Original Message - 
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 10:51 AM
  Subject: RE: question re Mickey's bent ear


  Thanks Susan!



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  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 10:51 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: question re Mickey's bent ear


  Sounds like he has earmites, and he has scratched them until he has a 
"hemotella" (?) or,"califlower" ear.

  This is caused by the itching, and shaking of his head.

  Needs to be drained if possible.

RE: question re Mickey's bent ear

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Thanks Susan!

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 10:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: question re Mickey's bent ear


Sounds like he has earmites, and he has scratched them until he has a
"hemotella" (?) or,"califlower" ear.
 
This is caused by the itching, and shaking of his head.
 
Needs to be drained if possible.
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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- Original Message - 
From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: question re Mickey's bent ear

Hi guys,
Whe I came home yesterday, I noticed Mickey's right ear was bent
over flat. I thought it was a temporary thing that he could/would fix
himself, but that's not the case. It's still the same today. Poor fellow
has been rubbing it like crazy. Anyone got any experience of this? He's
feral so I can't handle him or check his ear without doing the
horrendous chase and catch routine. I'm envisaging I'll need to do the
chase and catch routine to take him to the vet to get it fixed, but
meanwhile any ideas on what could be wrong with his ear, and how serious
this could be, welcome. 
Thanks as always
Kerry

 
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Re: question re Mickey's bent ear

[Susan Dubose]

Sounds like he has earmites, and he has scratched them until he has a 
"hemotella" (?) or,"califlower" ear.

This is caused by the itching, and shaking of his head.

Needs to be drained if possible.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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  - Original Message - 
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:39 AM
  Subject: question re Mickey's bent ear


  Hi guys,
  Whe I came home yesterday, I noticed Mickey's right ear was bent over flat. I 
thought it was a temporary thing that he could/would fix himself, but that's 
not the case. It's still the same today. Poor fellow has been rubbing it like 
crazy. Anyone got any experience of this? He's feral so I can't handle him or 
check his ear without doing the horrendous chase and catch routine. I'm 
envisaging I'll need to do the chase and catch routine to take him to the vet 
to get it fixed, but meanwhile any ideas on what could be wrong with his ear, 
and how serious this could be, welcome. 
  Thanks as always
  Kerry



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Re: Question about eye ulcers

[Belinda]

Michael,
  I found Bailey at 5 months of age, positive then.  I lost him last 
May at 11 years of age.  He had just turned 11 years old 5 days before 
he passed.  He wasn't sick his whole life except for the last 6 months 
when he became anemic and quit eating.  We fixed the anemia but he still 
wouldn't eat and was lethargic and had conctant diarrhea, from his 
symtoms we knew he had cancer somewhere and tested and tested for it, 
ultra sounds everything we could think of, couldn't find it.  By the 
time I finally agreed to let my vet do exploratory surgery he was too 
weak and I brought him home and he passed with us on the couch about an 
hour later.


Necropsy showed us he had pancreatic cancer, that's why he wouldn't eat 
and was lethargic with constant diarrhea.   He was the happiest, silly 
cat I've ever known and the sweetest.  I miss his sweet little happy 
face a lot ...


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Re: Question about eye ulcers

[catatonya]

I would go to the vet.  I know it's stressful, but you have no way of knowing 
how to treat something like that without seeing the vet and possibly an eye 
specialist... I hope Jingles pulls through this.
   
  My first leukemia kitty pulled through pneumonia and herpes at about 1 year 
old and then lived on to about 7.
   
  tonya

Susan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One of my feleuk babies, Jingles, who is about 5 and was most 
likely born positive, has been going downhill over the last couple of months -- 
pretty much the typical course of a failing feleuk+ kitty.  But he has a new 
problem right now and it is one I have never seen before.  His eye was 
watering; in trying to wipe it and medicate I noticed what looked like a wad of 
yellowish-white "eye goop" and I tried to wipe it away -- but it is an ulcer - 
a lump, for lack of a better term -  attached to his eye.  I have started him 
on lysine, because in other ways the eye looks herpes-y -- but I have never 
seen a lump on the eyeball like this.   Anyone???
   
  I haven't yet taken him to the vet -- hate to put him through the stress if I 
don't have to -- and you guys know way more than most vets when it comes to 
feleuk!
  

Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House

[wendy]

Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Kanab, Utah.  When you get a chance, go to 
their website.  Very cool sanctuary and great fun to visit and volunteer at.  
One of the charities I support.

:)
Wendy
 
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world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:10:54 PM
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House


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Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House

[wendy]

The only reason I know this is because I visited Best Friends and volunteered 
in February.  It was great!  I don't think their website is very informative 
about the specifics of the sanctuary.  I wish they had a map on there and a key 
that explained what each unit/octagon was.

:)
Wendy
 
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- Original Message 
From: Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House


Thanks, Wendy!
 
A, I need to log onto their website and poke around in kittyland.
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: wendy 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House


The FeLV suite is actually called Casa de Calmar.  Benton's House houses 
kitties with disabilities.
 
:)
Wendy
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:44:31 PM
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers


I got my first felv+ kitty last July, from a very bad "Frankenbreeder situation"
 
I actually got 3 cats from this particuliar case.
 
One passed away last Thanksgiving, but she also had chronic health problems 
prior to me getting her.
 
She was a sealpoint Rex.
 
Naughty Lola, a doll faced cream choc. Persian, is stillw/me and for now is a 
healthy & happy kitty.
 
Ursula, sealpoint British shorthair, tested neg/neg when I got her, but obvious 
had an exposure @ the house, she turned pos. two months afterwards.
 
So far, she is doing well.
She is about 5 yrs.,is my guess, was not spayed when I got her, probably a 
"stock" cat.
 
Lillian, hard to say, was pos. when I got her last April.
 
Papillon, pos. when I got him.
 
And Percival, pos. when I got him.
 
So, that certainly does not answer your question..
 
But I will say this, it'sjust hard tosay how long they will live.
 
But preventative meds will helpthemlive longer.
 
Best Friends has a felv+ cat that is what, 22 yrs?
 
Have you checked out their website to see if there is any info on it?
 
The felv+ suite is called "Benton's House".
 
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers


Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me 
ask this...
 
How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis?
 
I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after 
diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living 
longer?

Just curious what everyone's experiences have been.
 
 
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Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House

[Susan Dubose]

www.bestfriends.org

check 'em out..

All critters should be this lucky.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House


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Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House

[Susan Dubose]

Thanks, Wendy!

A, I need to log onto their website and poke around in kittyland.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House


  The FeLV suite is actually called Casa de Calmar.  Benton's House houses 
kitties with disabilities.

  :)
  Wendy
   
  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~



  - Original Message 
  From: Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:44:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers


  I got my first felv+ kitty last July, from a very bad "Frankenbreeder 
situation"

  I actually got 3 cats from this particuliar case.

  One passed away last Thanksgiving, but she also had chronic health problems 
prior to me getting her.

  She was a sealpoint Rex.

  Naughty Lola, a doll faced cream choc. Persian, is stillw/me and for now is a 
healthy & happy kitty.

  Ursula, sealpoint British shorthair, tested neg/neg when I got her, but 
obvious had an exposure @ the house, she turned pos. two months afterwards.

  So far, she is doing well.
  She is about 5 yrs.,is my guess, was not spayed when I got her, probably a 
"stock" cat.

  Lillian, hard to say, was pos. when I got her last April.

  Papillon, pos. when I got him.

  And Percival, pos. when I got him.

  So, that certainly does not answer your question..

  But I will say this, it'sjust hard tosay how long they will live.

  But preventative meds will helpthemlive longer.

  Best Friends has a felv+ cat that is what, 22 yrs?

  Have you checked out their website to see if there is any info on it?

  The felv+ suite is called "Benton's House".


  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
    To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers


Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let 
me ask this...

How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis?

I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after 
diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living 
longer?

Just curious what everyone's experiences have been.


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Re: Question about eye ulcers/Benton's House

[wendy]

The FeLV suite is actually called Casa de Calmar.  Benton's House houses 
kitties with disabilities.

:)
Wendy
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:44:31 PM
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers


I got my first felv+ kitty last July, from a very bad "Frankenbreeder situation"
 
I actually got 3 cats from this particuliar case.
 
One passed away last Thanksgiving, but she also had chronic health problems 
prior to me getting her.
 
She was a sealpoint Rex.
 
Naughty Lola, a doll faced cream choc. Persian, is stillw/me and for now is a 
healthy & happy kitty.
 
Ursula, sealpoint British shorthair, tested neg/neg when I got her, but obvious 
had an exposure @ the house, she turned pos. two months afterwards.
 
So far, she is doing well.
She is about 5 yrs.,is my guess, was not spayed when I got her, probably a 
"stock" cat.
 
Lillian, hard to say, was pos. when I got her last April.
 
Papillon, pos. when I got him.
 
And Percival, pos. when I got him.
 
So, that certainly does not answer your question..
 
But I will say this, it'sjust hard tosay how long they will live.
 
But preventative meds will helpthemlive longer.
 
Best Friends has a felv+ cat that is what, 22 yrs?
 
Have you checked out their website to see if there is any info on it?
 
The felv+ suite is called "Benton's House".
 
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers


Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me 
ask this...
 
How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis?
 
I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after 
diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living 
longer?

Just curious what everyone's experiences have been.
 
 
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Re: Question about eye ulcers

[Susan Dubose]

I got my first felv+ kitty last July, from a very bad "Frankenbreeder situation"

I actually got 3 cats from this particuliar case.

One passed away last Thanksgiving, but she also had chronic health problems 
prior to me getting her.

She was a sealpoint Rex.

Naughty Lola, a doll faced cream choc. Persian, is stillw/me and for now is a 
healthy & happy kitty.

Ursula, sealpoint British shorthair, tested neg/neg when I got her, but obvious 
had an exposure @ the house, she turned pos. two months afterwards.

So far, she is doing well.
She is about 5 yrs.,is my guess, was not spayed when I got her, probably a 
"stock" cat.

Lillian, hard to say, was pos. when I got her last April.

Papillon, pos. when I got him.

And Percival, pos. when I got him.

So, that certainly does not answer your question..

But I will say this, it'sjust hard tosay how long they will live.

But preventative meds will helpthemlive longer.

Best Friends has a felv+ cat that is what, 22 yrs?

Have you checked out their website to see if there is any info on it?

The felv+ suite is called "Benton's House".


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15 PM
  Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers


  Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me 
ask this...

  How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis?

  I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after 
diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living 
longer?

  Just curious what everyone's experiences have been.


  Michael





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[wendy]

Michael,

There is such a range that I would not even say 2-3 years.  I would say that 
the younger the cat, the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more likely) 
they will pass in the first year or third, but that is only based on trends 
I've seen here, no specific research.  This does not include cats that throw 
the virus, which your cats could do.  They say it's more likely for the cat to 
throw the virus within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become negative after 
years, which is always a joy to see, though rare.  About 30-40% of cats throw 
the virus after exposure.  Adult cats are much less likely to get the virus, 
which might explain why your younger one may have picked the virus up when he 
was a kitten (I hope I have that right).  My Cricket was diagnosed when he was 
2.5 years old; I am 85% sure he got it in utero from his mom.  He died at 4.5 
years.  He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with anemia, that I feel would 
not have happened without the stress
 of 10 extra people living in our home for a week during the hurricane.  He 
could still be here had he not been stressed, I don't know.  Then, there's the 
cat at Best Friends that is 22  We had one here live to 16 years old.  I 
forget whose kitty it was.  There is another that lived to nine.  There is just 
no way to tell the life expectancy, but I will say this.  If you have your cat 
on immune boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are asymptomatic, 
and are loving them well, making them feel good, I really, really believe that 
extends the life expectancy more than we realize.  You might do an archive 
search on the word 'years' and see posts that tell how old their kitty was when 
they died.  I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like years + death, 
but it might be possible.  I wouldn't get any date stuck in your head though.  
Positive thoughts all the way!

:)
Wendy
 
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world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15:01 PM
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers


Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me 
ask this...
 
How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis?
 
I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after 
diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living 
longer?

Just curious what everyone's experiences have been.
 
 
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[Chris]

One of mine diagnosed at age 4 or so and that was 4 years ago.  She's a big
18 lbs and going strong!  My other positive his around the same age and
diagnosed when I brought him in (he was a stray) & though he's had some gum
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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers

 

Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let me
ask this...

 

How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis?

 

I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after
diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats
living longer?

Just curious what everyone's experiences have been.

 

 

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Re: Question about eye ulcers

[OfALegend]

Ugh, I'm sorry about that.  I know that question has nothing to do  with eye 
ulcers...I meant to change the subject line and forgot.  :/



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Re: Question about eye ulcers

[OfALegend]

Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad tonight about my babies, let  me 
ask this...
 
How long have you all known of a cat surviving after FeLV+ diagnosis?
 
I know the standard is, according to almost everyone, 2-3 years after  
diagnosis, but I'm sure some of you all have had experiences with cats living  
longer?

Just curious what everyone's experiences have been.
 
 
Michael



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Re: Question about eye ulcers

[wendy]

Hi Susan,

It may be a corneal ulcer.  Smookie lost one of her eyes to this, we suspect, 
before we adopted her, and she had another ulcer when we adopted her, which 
would only clear up with high doses of lysine (500 mg 2x per day).  Smookie's 
ulcer was flush with the rest of his eye, like it was underneath the lens; 
there was no lump.  Hope this helps.

:)
Wendy
 
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- Original Message 
From: Susan Loesch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:00:21 AM
Subject: Question about eye ulcers

One of my feleuk babies, Jingles, who is about 5 and was most likely born 
positive, has been going downhill over the last couple of months -- pretty much 
the typical course of a failing feleuk+ kitty.  But he has a new problem right 
now and it is one I have never seen before.  His eye was watering; in trying to 
wipe it and medicate I noticed what looked like a wad of yellowish-white "eye 
goop" and I tried to wipe it away -- but it is an ulcer - a lump, for lack of a 
better term -  attached to his eye.  I have started him on lysine, because in 
other ways the eye looks herpes-y -- but I have never seen a lump on the 
eyeball like this.   Anyone???
 
I haven't yet taken him to the vet -- hate to put him through the stress if I 
don't have to -- and you guys know way more than most vets when it comes to 
feleuk!


   

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RE: Question re treatment differences ?????

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

I ordered IR from Revival Animal Health in Iowa about 3 years agoit
was about $50 including overnighting if memory serves. Kerry M. 
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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Question re treatment differences ?


Interferon Alpha and Roferon are the same thing - I think Roferon is  a
brand name.  Island Pharmacy sells interferon Alpha in pre-loaded
syringes that you can order for oral administration for your FELV kitty.
See http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212 

Immunoreglan is different.  It's administered by IV, or Intramuscular
injection, or sometimes I've heard that injecting it sub-q is helpful
(I've done this).  Think you can order this without a prescription.  I
can't remember who I ordered this from.  Seems like it was about $300.

Gloria
in Arkansas


On Jun 21, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Sheila Coyle wrote:



 
Is "immuno-reglan" or "interferon" and "rolferon" all the same
thing
 
???
 
Thank you.
Sheila
Nebraska
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RE: Question re treatment differences ?????

[Sheila Coyle]

Thank you so much for your useful, informative information.
 
Sheila

 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Question re treatment differences ?


Interferon Alpha and Roferon are the same thing - I think Roferon is a brand
name. Island Pharmacy sells interferon Alpha in pre-loaded syringes that you
can order for oral administration for your FELV kitty. See
http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212 

Immunoreglan is different. It's administered by IV, or Intramuscular
injection, or sometimes I've heard that injecting it sub-q is helpful (I've
done this). Think you can order this without a prescription. I can't
remember who I ordered this from. Seems like it was about $300.

Gloria
in Arkansas


On Jun 21, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Sheila Coyle wrote:




Is "immuno-reglan" or "interferon" and "rolferon" all the same thing

???

Thank you.
Sheila
Nebraska
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Re: Question re treatment differences ?????

[Gloria Lane]

Interferon Alpha and Roferon are the same thing - I think Roferon is   
a brand name.  Island Pharmacy sells interferon Alpha in pre-loaded  
syringes that you can order for oral administration for your FELV  
kitty.  See http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212


Immunoreglan is different.  It's administered by IV, or Intramuscular  
injection, or sometimes I've heard that injecting it sub-q is helpful  
(I've done this).  Think you can order this without a prescription.   
I can't remember who I ordered this from.  Seems like it was about $300.


Gloria
in Arkansas


On Jun 21, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Sheila Coyle wrote:




Is "immuno-reglan" or "interferon" and "rolferon" all the same  
thing


???

Thank you.
Sheila
Nebraska
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Re: Question re treatment differences ?????

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

No they are all different -- you might want to read the felk group website as 
it explains different treatment there.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sheila Coyle 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:28 PM
  Subject: Question re treatment differences ?


  

  Is "immuno-reglan" or "interferon" and "rolferon" all the same thing

  ???

  Thank you.
  Sheila
  Nebraska
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Re: question on test result

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Yeah--like being "sort of" pregnant--like THAT happens!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 8, 2007, at 6:31 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

what happens with the snap test is that, after the blood and the  
testing solution mingle for a certain amount of time (can't  
remember now how long, and it may differ from brand to brand,  
anyway), a little colored circle shows up. and yes, the little  
circle can be pale whatever-color, or bright. i've never seen  
any documentation that there is any quantitative data on what  
"slightly" positive vs "definitely" positive means based on the color!


so she got basically the same result twice--maybe. still doesn't  
mean momma WAS positive, would have been positive in 3 months,  
etc.


i would still play out the links for her, once you have a new vet-- 
she is woefully ignorant and a danger to her patients.


MC

On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by  
the vet office to pay the bill for the "service" provided on the  
stray mama that died from the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens  
to her to be put to sleep - since she is confident they are all  
positve and will die. (she has never seen them)


The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly  
postive" so she ran it again and it was "More positive."   Is there  
such thing as slightly positive or is it just yes or no?


I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure,  
but I do know that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her  
there and no treatment or exam was done before that.

The most important item on the list was this test.

We are looking for another vet.

Deana





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Re: question on test result

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

O my God!  That vet is horrible!  I'm shocked she would be so  
interested in killing the babies!  And you're right about not knowing  
about the mamacat.  The thought that vet may have murdered her makes  
me physically ill.  If in fact you want to make a case out of it, I  
would ask the desk or a tech--not that dr--she may lie to you--for  
her body (it may still be in their freezer) and tell her that you  
have decided to bury her in your back yard--her "home."  Then get a  
necropsy and take it from there.  Or maybe she won't even need a  
necropsy, just an opinion.


The mama was an emergency!  She should have been examined  
immediately!  You need to talk to some other vets and an animal lawyer.



Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 8, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Deana K. Wagoner wrote:

Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by  
the vet office to pay the bill for the "service" provided on the  
stray mama that died from the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens  
to her to be put to sleep - since she is confident they are all  
positve and will die. (she has never seen them)


The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly  
postive" so she ran it again and it was "More positive."   Is there  
such thing as slightly positive or is it just yes or no?


I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure,  
but I do know that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her  
there and no treatment or exam was done before that.

The most important item on the list was this test.

We are looking for another vet.

Deana

Re: Question about FIV/FeLV+ Mom and Kittens

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Add lysine to their diet. You can also try interferon, but you'll need a vet
for that. Honestly, I would not separate the kittens like you have done.
What you are seeing now (test results) can change at any time, and it seems
like a lot of extra work, kinda pointlessly, to me. They will either have,
or not have, both one or the other, or neither, what you're seeing now is
not going to tell you much of anything. You should also supplement momma as
well, as it's never too late for HER to throw off the viruses either!

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Re: Question about FIV/FeLV+ Mom and Kittens

[Leslie Lawther]

*Tampa, Florida *

On 5/14/07, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


where are you?

On 5/14/07, Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> *Okay, here's our situation - we have a double positive mom with four
> kittens.  Two tested light positive for FIV, the other two tested positive
> for FeLV (one light, one strong... whatever that means).  The kittens are
> only 8 weeks old, and we understand the results are meaningless at this
> point.  We currently have all separated into three groups... mom, two FIV's
> and two FeLV's - and will await results when the kittens are a bit older.
> *
> **
> *We are having a TERRIBLE time finding fosters for these kittens - they
> are currently being boarded but have to be picked upt this week (they
> currently have no where to go)...  Does anyone have any ideas or
> suggestions?  How long should we wait for accurate results?  What can we do
> to boost the kitten's immune systems to potentially throw the virus(es)?
> *
> **
> **
> *** *
>
>
> --
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> only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
> ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
>



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Re: Question about FIV/FeLV+ Mom and Kittens

[MaryChristine]

where are you?

On 5/14/07, Leslie Lawther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


*Okay, here's our situation - we have a double positive mom with four
kittens.  Two tested light positive for FIV, the other two tested positive
for FeLV (one light, one strong... whatever that means).  The kittens are
only 8 weeks old, and we understand the results are meaningless at this
point.  We currently have all separated into three groups... mom, two FIV's
and two FeLV's - and will await results when the kittens are a bit older.
*
**
*We are having a TERRIBLE time finding fosters for these kittens - they
are currently being boarded but have to be picked upt this week (they
currently have no where to go)...  Does anyone have any ideas or
suggestions?  How long should we wait for accurate results?  What can we do
to boost the kitten's immune systems to potentially throw the virus(es)?
*
**
**
*** *


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only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success.
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Re: question on test result

[Sally Davis]

When Junior was hit by a car a year ago the vet first tested him for FeLV.
He was negative. She was wonderful and saved his life. Yes I am sure she
would have sugested PTS if he had tested positive at that time. He had a
broken jaw, split pallete and eye injury. He also had infection in his sinus
cavity. That was the first thing I smelled when I found him.

As yall know he tested positive about 5 months later. He has lived a year
since the accident and and 7 months since the FeLv dx.

Thanks goodness I have Junior he is a wondeful cat. He is Eric's  cat.

Sally


On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 There are slight positives and strong positives. That is true, however,
this vet is crazy, even allowing that she is right about that! You took an
INJURED cat to her, and she did NOTHING to treat the INJURIES, but instead
let the cat sit in a cage suffering for 4 hours and then the ONLY thing she
did was a FELV test? No wonder the cat DIED THERE! Personally, I would
report her to the state veterinary board for malpractice (and the local SPCA
or humane society for cruelty)!

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Re: question on test result

[Gina WN]

My Pippin was a slight positive on the ELISA at six weeks of age and came up 
negative on the IFA five months later.  The vet thinks it was a false positive. 
 But, it's possible Pippin could have thrown the virus.
   
  Gina
   
  
Debi Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Deana,
   
  I foster cats and I have had 2 test slightly positive and we always wait 
(though I guess they could not do that with the momma) a few weeks before we 
retest.  On retested negative and one retested positive.  And when they retest 
positive with the snap test we then always do the test that is sent out of the 
office.
   
  I am glad to hear that you are looking for another vet.  Who is she to get 
mad because you were not having the kittens PTS
   
  Debi H.

"Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet 
office to pay the bill for the "service" provided on the stray mama that died 
from the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her to be 
put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will die. (she 
has never seen them) 

The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly postive" so 
she ran it again and it was "More positive." Is there such thing as slightly 
positive or is it just yes or no? 

I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do know 
that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no treatment or 
exam was done before that. 
The most important item on the list was this test. 

We are looking for another vet.

Deana




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To Deana: Re: question on test result

[wendy]

Deana,

I'm so glad that you've found this wonderful group! 
You are wise to find another vet; one more educated on
FeLV.  After all, these kittens may not even be pos,
and even if they test pos later on, they still have a
40% chance to sero-convert and be negative.  So keep
fighting the good fight.  Bless you for caring for
these furbabies like you are.  

:)
Wendy
Dallas, Tx

--- "Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My
> husband went by the vet office to pay the bill for
> the "service" provided on the stray mama that died
> from the dog inflicted injuries.
> The vet was not at all happy that we were not
> bringing the kittens to her to be put to sleep -
> since she is confident they are all positve and will
> die. (she has never seen them) 
> 
> The vet now says the first test on the dying mother
> was "slightly postive" so she ran it again and it
> was "More positive."   Is there such thing as
> slightly positive or is it just yes or no? 
> 
> I will never know if the mama cat was beyond
> treatment for sure, but I do know that the test was
> done about 4 hours after I left her there and no
> treatment or exam was done before that. 
> The most important item on the list was this test. 
> 
> We are looking for another vet.
> 
> Deana
> 
> 
> 


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Re: question on test result

[Nazleen Rahmat]

That was just too too sweet. I actually cried. I feel exactly that way about 
my baby as I'm sure all of you do. Its the small triumphs that keep us all 
going, isn't it?. Abu's grooming himself now and is purring. My heart's 
purring right along with him! And yes, my baby can depend on me a 110%. I'm 
trying my best to keep him healthy.


Leen



From: Debi Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: question on test result
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 06:04:36 -0700 (PDT)

Thank you so much for sharing this.  I wish more people felt this way!!!

  Debi H.

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  My thoughts about FELV and euth'ing them just because of the 
test results are this:


  Isn't every moment in life a moment for a discovery, a moment to find 
joy, a moment to know what it is to be loved? Is it fair for us to take ANY 
of those moments away from any living thing just because they MIGHT later 
get sick and die? True, many FELV+ cats do eventually get sick and die or 
have to be put down, BUT, I think life is better measured by it's QUALITY 
rather than it's QUANTITY! Even short lives can be filled with happiness, 
love, and joy. Just because something is short-lived, doesn't mean it's not 
worth experiencing. EVERY life has a purpose, everything is here for a 
reason, and all the creatures that enter our lives are here to teach us 
something. I've said it before, and I will quote it again, from Moogie's 
memorial page:


  In Memory Of Moogie

  I can look back and know that even though she only lived just over a 
year, she had all of the good experiences any cat could have in a lifetime, 
she just did it a little faster than most.


Sickly kitties give more love.

I hope everyone opens their heart to a sickly kitty and gives it the best 
life possible.


  Sickly kitties need more love, more time, more attention, and more 
devotion, but they give it all back to you. Sickly kitties snuggle up under 
your covers at night because they have a hard time staying warm on their 
own. Sickly kitties trust you 100%, because sickly kitties know that you 
crawl on your hands and knees on the way to the toilet in the middle of the 
night just so you don't step on the sickly kitty stretched across the hall 
way floor that doesn't have enough energy (or desire) to move out of your 
way. Sickly kitties know that if suddenly their food begins to taste bad 
and they don't want to eat it any more, you will go to the grocery store 
and buy them a carton of light cream and some ham lunch meat. Sickly 
kitties know that sudden trips to the vet to get rehydrated because mom had 
to be at work for 8 hours and couldn't be home to force feed water 3 cc's 
at a time are the norm, and no work schedule is more important than 
rehydrating the sickly kitty. Sickly
 kitties know that even though they feel really bad, in a few days mom 
will make it all better again, and they can enjoy a few more weeks under 
the covers with mom at night, a few more weeks walking across mom's 
keyboard on the weekends. Sickly kitties know that mom never lies, mom 
never ignores them, and mom never puts them in second place. In the end, 
sickly kitties know that mom will be there and hold them and tell them 
everything is OK, and that it's OK to go to sleep, and as they close their 
eyes and let go, sickly kitties know that mom loves them, and always will, 
and mom knows the love is a mutual feeling.


  Sure, it hurts, but I get a lot in return for my efforts, it makes me 
feel good inside, and that's the best feeling in the world. I have no 
regrets. Life is a roller coaster of emotion, you might as well be in the 
front seat where the view is good, and the wind is in your face.


  From: http://ucat.us/Moogie/index.html

  (sorry for making everyone cry again)



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Re: question on test result

[Debi Holmes]

Thank you so much for sharing this.  I wish more people felt this way!!!
   
  Debi H.

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  My thoughts about FELV and euth'ing them just because of the test 
results are this:
   
  Isn't every moment in life a moment for a discovery, a moment to find joy, a 
moment to know what it is to be loved? Is it fair for us to take ANY of those 
moments away from any living thing just because they MIGHT later get sick and 
die? True, many FELV+ cats do eventually get sick and die or have to be put 
down, BUT, I think life is better measured by it's QUALITY rather than it's 
QUANTITY! Even short lives can be filled with happiness, love, and joy. Just 
because something is short-lived, doesn't mean it's not worth experiencing. 
EVERY life has a purpose, everything is here for a reason, and all the 
creatures that enter our lives are here to teach us something. I've said it 
before, and I will quote it again, from Moogie's memorial page:
   
  In Memory Of Moogie 

  I can look back and know that even though she only lived just over a year, 
she had all of the good experiences any cat could have in a lifetime, she just 
did it a little faster than most. 

Sickly kitties give more love. 

I hope everyone opens their heart to a sickly kitty and gives it the best life 
possible. 

  Sickly kitties need more love, more time, more attention, and more devotion, 
but they give it all back to you. Sickly kitties snuggle up under your covers 
at night because they have a hard time staying warm on their own. Sickly 
kitties trust you 100%, because sickly kitties know that you crawl on your 
hands and knees on the way to the toilet in the middle of the night just so you 
don't step on the sickly kitty stretched across the hall way floor that doesn't 
have enough energy (or desire) to move out of your way. Sickly kitties know 
that if suddenly their food begins to taste bad and they don't want to eat it 
any more, you will go to the grocery store and buy them a carton of light cream 
and some ham lunch meat. Sickly kitties know that sudden trips to the vet to 
get rehydrated because mom had to be at work for 8 hours and couldn't be home 
to force feed water 3 cc's at a time are the norm, and no work schedule is more 
important than rehydrating the sickly kitty. Sickly
 kitties know that even though they feel really bad, in a few days mom will 
make it all better again, and they can enjoy a few more weeks under the covers 
with mom at night, a few more weeks walking across mom's keyboard on the 
weekends. Sickly kitties know that mom never lies, mom never ignores them, and 
mom never puts them in second place. In the end, sickly kitties know that mom 
will be there and hold them and tell them everything is OK, and that it's OK to 
go to sleep, and as they close their eyes and let go, sickly kitties know that 
mom loves them, and always will, and mom knows the love is a mutual feeling. 

  Sure, it hurts, but I get a lot in return for my efforts, it makes me feel 
good inside, and that's the best feeling in the world. I have no regrets. Life 
is a roller coaster of emotion, you might as well be in the front seat where 
the view is good, and the wind is in your face. 
   
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Re: question on test result

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

My thoughts about FELV and euth'ing them just because of the test results
are this:

Isn't every moment in life a moment for a discovery, a moment to find joy, a
moment to know what it is to be loved? Is it fair for us to take ANY of
those moments away from any living thing just because they MIGHT later get
sick and die? True, many FELV+ cats do eventually get sick and die or have
to be put down, BUT, I think life is better measured by it's QUALITY rather
than it's QUANTITY! Even short lives can be filled with happiness, love, and
joy. Just because something is short-lived, doesn't mean it's not worth
experiencing. EVERY life has a purpose, everything is here for a reason, and
all the creatures that enter our lives are here to teach us something. I've
said it before, and I will quote it again, from Moogie's memorial page:

In Memory Of Moogie

  I can look back and know that even though she only lived just over a year,
she had all of the good experiences any cat could have in a lifetime, she
just did it a little faster than most.

Sickly kitties give more love.

I hope everyone opens their heart to a sickly kitty and gives it the best
life possible.

  Sickly kitties need more love, more time, more attention, and more
devotion, but they give it all back to you. Sickly kitties snuggle up under
your covers at night because they have a hard time staying warm on their
own. Sickly kitties trust you 100%, because sickly kitties know that you
crawl on your hands and knees on the way to the toilet in the middle of the
night just so you don't step on the sickly kitty stretched across the hall
way floor that doesn't have enough energy (or desire) to move out of your
way. Sickly kitties know that if suddenly their food begins to taste bad and
they don't want to eat it any more, you will go to the grocery store and buy
them a carton of light cream and some ham lunch meat. Sickly kitties know
that sudden trips to the vet to get rehydrated because mom had to be at work
for 8 hours and couldn't be home to force feed water 3 cc's at a time are
the norm, and no work schedule is more important than rehydrating the sickly
kitty. Sickly kitties know that even though they feel really bad, in a few
days mom will make it all better again, and they can enjoy a few more weeks
under the covers with mom at night, a few more weeks walking across mom's
keyboard on the weekends. Sickly kitties know that mom never lies, mom never
ignores them, and mom never puts them in second place. In the end, sickly
kitties know that mom will be there and hold them and tell them everything
is OK, and that it's OK to go to sleep, and as they close their eyes and let
go, sickly kitties know that mom loves them, and always will, and mom knows
the love is a mutual feeling.

  Sure, it hurts, but I get a lot in return for my efforts, it makes me feel
good inside, and that's the best feeling in the world. I have no regrets.
Life is a roller coaster of emotion, you might as well be in the front seat
where the view is good, and the wind is in your face.

From: http://ucat.us/Moogie/index.html

(sorry for making everyone cry again)



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Re: question on test result

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

There are slight positives and strong positives. That is true, however, this
vet is crazy, even allowing that she is right about that! You took an
INJURED cat to her, and she did NOTHING to treat the INJURIES, but instead
let the cat sit in a cage suffering for 4 hours and then the ONLY thing she
did was a FELV test? No wonder the cat DIED THERE! Personally, I would
report her to the state veterinary board for malpractice (and the local SPCA
or humane society for cruelty)!

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Re: question on test result

[Beth Noren]

Hi Deana,
Very glad to hear you are finding a new vet.  I rescued a litter born of a
feral mom who tested negative (we had her spayed and released).  One sick
baby tested positive right away, the other 4 tested negative.  The sick one
developed FIP and had to be pts (but at least had some quality time on this
earth when she was feeling much better), and eventually one of the negatives
tested positive for FeLV, but he is still healthy and going strong at over a
year old, and enjoys every day of his life to the fullest.  His favorite
thing to do is to stomp all over me at 4:00 in the morning and head-butt my
face, and I am mostly just so grateful that he is there to bug me!  :o)  I
would have missed out on all his charm had I euthanized, and I can't even
imagine if my vet had told me to euth the three that are negative too based
on one cat's test.  Thank you for questioning your vet and researching this
for yourself!

Enjoy those babies,
Beth


On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet
office to pay the bill for the "service" provided on the stray mama that
died from the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her
to be put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will
die. (she has never seen them)

The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly postive"
so she ran it again and it was "More positive."   Is there such thing as
slightly positive or is it just yes or no?

I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do
know that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no
treatment or exam was done before that.
The most important item on the list was this test.

We are looking for another vet.

Deana

Re: question on test result

[Kelley Saveika]

There *is* such a thing as "light positive", though I've never been
able to pin down what it means, even after having a kitten test light
pos.

Protocol is not to test again immediately, though, it is to wait 6
weeks, then test.  Then if pos again test w/IFA.

I've never heard the term "more positive" - generally it is light pos,
pos or neg.

I don't say this often, but I am almost going to say this would be
worth a complaint to the veterinary board.  If I brought in a dying
cat for treatment and they wasted time testing her, I'd be livid.

I have no idea if she could have been saved or not of course.  But in
my opinion the treatment you got was inexcusable.  When I take cats to
the ER they take me seriously and start treating them right away.

On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet office to pay 
the bill for the "service" provided on the stray mama that died from the dog 
inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her to be 
put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will die. (she 
has never seen them)

The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly postive" so she ran it 
again and it was "More positive."   Is there such thing as slightly positive or is it 
just yes or no?

I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do know 
that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no treatment or 
exam was done before that.
The most important item on the list was this test.

We are looking for another vet.

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Re: question on test result

[Debi Holmes]

Deana,
   
  I foster cats and I have had 2 test slightly positive and we always wait 
(though I guess they could not do that with the momma) a few weeks before we 
retest.  On retested negative and one retested positive.  And when they retest 
positive with the snap test we then always do the test that is sent out of the 
office.
   
  I am glad to hear that you are looking for another vet.  Who is she to get 
mad because you were not having the kittens PTS
   
  Debi H.

"Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet 
office to pay the bill for the "service" provided on the stray mama that died 
from the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her to be 
put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will die. (she 
has never seen them) 

The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly postive" so 
she ran it again and it was "More positive." Is there such thing as slightly 
positive or is it just yes or no? 

I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do know 
that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no treatment or 
exam was done before that. 
The most important item on the list was this test. 

We are looking for another vet.

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Re: question on test result

[TatorBunz]

 
 
Thank god your looking for another Vet.
Geez, this really pissed me off good thing I'm not closer I  would make a 
special trip to this idiot of a Vet! What a  crockpot!
 
Bless you and your husband helping these poor  babies!
 
In a message dated 5/8/2007 4:31:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

what  happens with the snap test is that, after the blood and the testing 
solution  mingle for a certain amount of time (can't remember now how long, and 
it may  differ from brand to brand, anyway), a little colored circle shows up. 
and  yes, the little circle can be pale whatever-color, or bright. i've 
never  seen any documentation that there is any quantitative data on what 
"slightly"  positive vs "definitely" positive means based on the color! 

so she got  basically the same result twice--maybe. still doesn't mean momma 
WAS positive,  would have been positive in 3 months, etc. 

i would still play out  the links for her, once you have a new vet--she is 
woefully ignorant and a  danger to her patients. 

MC

On 5/8/07, Deana K.  Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) >  wrote:  
Here  is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet 
office  to pay the bill for the "service" provided on the stray mama that died 
from  the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not  bringing the kittens to her to 
be put to sleep - since she is confident they  are all positve and will die. 
(she has never seen them) 

The vet now  says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly postive" 
so she ran it  again and it was "More positive."   Is there such thing as  
slightly positive or is it just yes or no?

I will never know if the  mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do 
know that the test was done  about 4 hours after I left her there and no 
treatment or exam was done  before that.
The most important item on the list was this test.  

We are looking for another  vet.

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Re: question on test result

[janine paton]

Oh good lord, you poor thing.  Poor mom cat!  I'm not
an expert on these things which is why I joined this
list, but we've had positive and negative in the same
litter, and positive kittens revert to negative, and
had some negatives stay that way.   Lots of love, good
food, supplements, maybe some transfer factor and no
one knows how those babies will test down the road. 

Good idea, find a different vet.  Good for you!

Janine

--- "Deana K. Wagoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My
> husband went by the vet office to pay the bill for
> the "service" provided on the stray mama that died
> from the dog inflicted injuries.
> The vet was not at all happy that we were not
> bringing the kittens to her to be put to sleep -
> since she is confident they are all positve and will
> die. (she has never seen them) 
> 
> The vet now says the first test on the dying mother
> was "slightly postive" so she ran it again and it
> was "More positive."   Is there such thing as
> slightly positive or is it just yes or no? 
> 
> I will never know if the mama cat was beyond
> treatment for sure, but I do know that the test was
> done about 4 hours after I left her there and no
> treatment or exam was done before that. 
> The most important item on the list was this test. 
> 
> We are looking for another vet.
> 
> Deana
> 
> 
> 

Re: question on test result

[MaryChristine]

what happens with the snap test is that, after the blood and the testing
solution mingle for a certain amount of time (can't remember now how long,
and it may differ from brand to brand, anyway), a little colored circle
shows up. and yes, the little circle can be pale whatever-color, or
bright. i've never seen any documentation that there is any quantitative
data on what "slightly" positive vs "definitely" positive means based on the
color!

so she got basically the same result twice--maybe. still doesn't mean momma
WAS positive, would have been positive in 3 months, etc.

i would still play out the links for her, once you have a new vet--she is
woefully ignorant and a danger to her patients.

MC

On 5/8/07, Deana K. Wagoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet
office to pay the bill for the "service" provided on the stray mama that
died from the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her
to be put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will
die. (she has never seen them)

The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was "slightly postive"
so she ran it again and it was "More positive."   Is there such thing as
slightly positive or is it just yes or no?

I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do
know that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no
treatment or exam was done before that.
The most important item on the list was this test.

We are looking for another vet.

Deana






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Re: question for anyone with knowledge

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

You can find LOTS of information on glaucoma in cats by searching google.
That being said, being blind is CERTAINLY NOT A DEATH SENTENCE! Blind cats
do WONDERFULLY well, and adapt very quickly! I wouldn't let the possibility
that she could lose her other eye weigh too heavily on the decision to adopt
her.

Here is a link to google with the appropriate search terms to find the info
you seek:
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=glaucoma+cat+feline


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To Jenna: Re: question for anyone with knowledge/feline glaucoma

[wendy]

Jenna,

If the worst that happens with feline glaucoma is that
kitty eventually goes blind, that's not that bad, imo.
 There are blind kitties out there who do just fine. 
Not what you would choose for them, but blind kitties
need to be loved too.  What other health problems did
they say she could have with feline glaucoma?  I don't
know anything about it.  I'm sorry I couldn't be of
more help.

:)
Wendy

--- Jenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello. Does anyone there know any about feline
> glacoma? I am looking at adopting one cat who had
> had one eye removed due to glacoma. She is very
> young- 3. She is very sweet, but I am terrified that
> some people have told me not to get a cat with this
> type of problem, that it could effect the other eye
> and she could go blind, or have other medical
> problems. I am afraid to take this kind of risk
> because I just lost my baby Satine, and the heart
> ache hurts soo much. Does anyone out there know
> anything about this illness? You all are some of the
> nicest people on the web, and the most educated
> about cat biology- so I really need some imput. I
> can't stop thinking about this kitty.
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: question for anyone with knowledge

[Kelley Saveika]

Hi Jenna,

I have a cat who is at risk for glaucoma, but doesn't have it at this time.

The kind of risk you would be taking would be a lot different than
with an FELV+ cat.  Even if she loses the other eye, she should get
around just fine as a blind cat.

I don't see any reason to avoid adopting this cat because of this, but
you need to do what you feel comfortable with:)

On 4/6/07, Jenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello. Does anyone there know any about feline glacoma? I am looking at
adopting one cat who had had one eye removed due to glacoma. She is very
young- 3. She is very sweet, but I am terrified that some people have told
me not to get a cat with this type of problem, that it could effect the
other eye and she could go blind, or have other medical problems. I am
afraid to take this kind of risk because I just lost my baby Satine, and the
heart ache hurts soo much. Does anyone out there know anything about this
illness? You all are some of the nicest people on the web, and the most
educated about cat biology- so I really need some imput. I can't stop
thinking about this kitty.

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Re: question for anyone with knowledge

[Marissa Johnson]

Hi Jenna.  I don't really know anything about this disease, but I would suggest 
that you repost this email with the words "feline glaucoma" in the 
subject...that way people who have some knowledge or experience will be more 
likely to read it and respond.
   
  Also, what I do know, is that when a cat steals your heart, there's almost 
nothing you can do to stop it!  :)  And I'm sure Satine has picked out a new 
kitty she wants you to have.  If this is the kitty, your heart will know and 
everything will work out.  I know all about that heart ache...I just lost my 
Slinky a little over a week ago.  It's harder than I ever imagined it could be 
and I know I couldn't go through it again right now.  But I know that giving my 
love to another kitty is the best way to honor Slinky's life.  I'm so glad 
you're considering this baby and opening your heart to new furkids who need a 
home!
   
  You're right...this is one of the kindest, most compassionate, and most 
knowledgeable groups of people on the web!  I'm sure someone will be able to 
help answer your question.  Just respost it with feline glaucoma in the subject 
line and I'm sure you'll get some info.
   
  Good luck figuring out what to do and keep us updated!!  Hang in there!
   
  *hugs*
   
  MJ and Angel Slinky  =^..^=

Jenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hello. Does anyone there know any about feline glacoma? I am looking at 
adopting one cat who had had one eye removed due to glacoma. She is very young- 
3. She is very sweet, but I am terrified that some people have told me not to 
get a cat with this type of problem, that it could effect the other eye and she 
could go blind, or have other medical problems. I am afraid to take this kind 
of risk because I just lost my baby Satine, and the heart ache hurts soo much. 
Does anyone out there know anything about this illness? You all are some of the 
nicest people on the web, and the most educated about cat biology- so I really 
need some imput. I can't stop thinking about this kitty.

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RE: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Each pack comes with 5 vials of 10 MU - just that the minimum order is 2
pack - and each pack costs appx $500 with the shipping cost - your vet
can order from AbbyVet in UK   --

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

 

Thanks Hideyo!  Can you give me an idea of the cost to have it shipped
from the UK?  Also, where do you order it from?  Thanks!!!

 

MJ

Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Interferon is basically anti-viral agent and try to attack
different virus in their body..

 


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Yamamoto
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now?
Others?

 

I read a study where FOI (feline omega interferon) was used
among sick felk kitties and the study did prove that it did help even
among sick kitties.  Alpha is human interferon and you give it orally -
FOI is feline interferon and you can give it as an inject able usually.
You can only get it from other countries and they are expensive, but
it's more effective than alpha - and also a kitty will develop antibody
to human one so it won't be effective after a couple of months.

 

My vet order directly from UK and I get it in a few days - you
are supposed to have DFDA approval letter - but you don't need it - I
have gotten about 10 shipments so far without FDA letter with no
problem.  Good luck

 


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Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

 

Hi all!  As I'm getting ready for this evening's vet
appointment, I realize I have lots of research on IR, Epogen, and
Doxy...but not much on some of the other things I've heard about on this
list (namely Interferon and Acemannan).

 

Is Interferon something that could be helpful at this stage, or
is it something you give before they get sick to prevent the virus from
becoming active?  I've heard of Alpha and Omega...is there a difference,
if so, which do I use? 

 

Also, what about Acemannan?  I read on www.felineleukemia.com
<http://www.felineleukemia.com/>  that it can be helpful in combo with
Interferon.  What do you all know or think about using it at this stage
(now that he's already sick)?

 

Any info would be MUCH appreciated!  THANK YOU!!!

 

 

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RE: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

[Marissa Johnson]

Thanks Hideyo!  Can you give me an idea of the cost to have it shipped from the 
UK?  Also, where do you order it from?  Thanks!!!
   
  MJ

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anti-viral agent and try to attack different virus in their body..
   
  
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

   
  I read a study where FOI (feline omega interferon) was used among sick felk 
kitties and the study did prove that it did help even among sick kitties.  
Alpha is human interferon and you give it orally – FOI is feline interferon and 
you can give it as an inject able usually.  You can only get it from other 
countries and they are expensive, but it’s more effective than alpha – and also 
a kitty will develop antibody to human one so it won’t be effective after a 
couple of months.
   
  My vet order directly from UK and I get it in a few days – you are supposed 
to have DFDA approval letter – but you don’t need it – I have gotten about 10 
shipments so far without FDA letter with no problem.  Good luck
   
  
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

   
Hi all!  As I'm getting ready for this evening's vet appointment, I realize 
I have lots of research on IR, Epogen, and Doxy...but not much on some of the 
other things I've heard about on this list (namely Interferon and Acemannan).

 

Is Interferon something that could be helpful at this stage, or is it 
something you give before they get sick to prevent the virus from becoming 
active?  I've heard of Alpha and Omega...is there a difference, if so, which do 
I use? 

 

Also, what about Acemannan?  I read on www.felineleukemia.com that it can 
be helpful in combo with Interferon.  What do you all know or think about using 
it at this stage (now that he's already sick)?

 

Any info would be MUCH appreciated!  THANK YOU!!!

 

 

MJ and Slinky  :)



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RE: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

Interferon is basically anti-viral agent and try to attack different
virus in their body..

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

 

I read a study where FOI (feline omega interferon) was used among sick
felk kitties and the study did prove that it did help even among sick
kitties.  Alpha is human interferon and you give it orally - FOI is
feline interferon and you can give it as an inject able usually.  You
can only get it from other countries and they are expensive, but it's
more effective than alpha - and also a kitty will develop antibody to
human one so it won't be effective after a couple of months.

 

My vet order directly from UK and I get it in a few days - you are
supposed to have DFDA approval letter - but you don't need it - I have
gotten about 10 shipments so far without FDA letter with no problem.
Good luck

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

 

Hi all!  As I'm getting ready for this evening's vet appointment, I
realize I have lots of research on IR, Epogen, and Doxy...but not much
on some of the other things I've heard about on this list (namely
Interferon and Acemannan).

 

Is Interferon something that could be helpful at this stage, or is it
something you give before they get sick to prevent the virus from
becoming active?  I've heard of Alpha and Omega...is there a difference,
if so, which do I use? 

 

Also, what about Acemannan?  I read on www.felineleukemia.com that it
can be helpful in combo with Interferon.  What do you all know or think
about using it at this stage (now that he's already sick)?

 

Any info would be MUCH appreciated!  THANK YOU!!!

 

 

MJ and Slinky  :)

  

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RE: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I read a study where FOI (feline omega interferon) was used among sick
felk kitties and the study did prove that it did help even among sick
kitties.  Alpha is human interferon and you give it orally - FOI is
feline interferon and you can give it as an inject able usually.  You
can only get it from other countries and they are expensive, but it's
more effective than alpha - and also a kitty will develop antibody to
human one so it won't be effective after a couple of months.

 

My vet order directly from UK and I get it in a few days - you are
supposed to have DFDA approval letter - but you don't need it - I have
gotten about 10 shipments so far without FDA letter with no problem.
Good luck

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa
Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question: Interferon (Alpha, Omega, etc.) Now? Others?

 

Hi all!  As I'm getting ready for this evening's vet appointment, I
realize I have lots of research on IR, Epogen, and Doxy...but not much
on some of the other things I've heard about on this list (namely
Interferon and Acemannan).

 

Is Interferon something that could be helpful at this stage, or is it
something you give before they get sick to prevent the virus from
becoming active?  I've heard of Alpha and Omega...is there a difference,
if so, which do I use? 

 

Also, what about Acemannan?  I read on www.felineleukemia.com that it
can be helpful in combo with Interferon.  What do you all know or think
about using it at this stage (now that he's already sick)?

 

Any info would be MUCH appreciated!  THANK YOU!!!

 

 

MJ and Slinky  :)

  

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Re: question about IBD and anemia

[Lernermichelle]

 
Thanks.  She has not been tested for those. Toxo usually causes bad  
diarrhea, though, and salmanella causes incredible distress including vomiting. 
 I 
believe e coli does as well. Lucy doesn't have those signs, thank goodness. I  
asked about those diseases the last time she was sick with a fever. I will ask  
again though.
 
thanks,
michelle
 
In a message dated 1/20/2007 3:23:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle,
I believe she said it her guess was  that it was an adenocarcinoma 
tumor, I talked with her today about the  fevers and she said that she 
would be looking for the same things, cancer  and infections.  I told her 
you were waiting for the rest of the test  results.

She also told me something interesting that there is a  syndrome called 
"unknown cat fever", she has come across a few cats that  have had this 
issue and they never do figure out why they get the  fevers.  She said 
they are put on a course of wide spectrum  antibiotics and it can take 
three weeks or longer for the fever to clear  up.  With the rest of 
Lucy's symptoms though she feels there may well  be more going on.  I'm 
just curious has Lucy been tested for  toxoplasmosis, not sure about the 
spelling?  Or salmanella, ecoli any  of the things that one might get 
from eating raw?


 

Re: question about IBD and anemia

[Belinda]

Michelle,
  I believe she said it her guess was that it was an adenocarcinoma 
tumor, I talked with her today about the fevers and she said that she 
would be looking for the same things, cancer and infections.  I told her 
you were waiting for the rest of the test results.


She also told me something interesting that there is a syndrome called 
"unknown cat fever", she has come across a few cats that have had this 
issue and they never do figure out why they get the fevers.  She said 
they are put on a course of wide spectrum antibiotics and it can take 
three weeks or longer for the fever to clear up.  With the rest of 
Lucy's symptoms though she feels there may well be more going on.  I'm 
just curious has Lucy been tested for toxoplasmosis, not sure about the 
spelling?  Or salmanella, ecoli any of the things that one might get 
from eating raw?


--

Belinda
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Re: question about IBD and anemia

[Lernermichelle]

 
Thank you, please do ask her. Lucy won't eat her raw now anyway, so is on  
i/d, which she will eat, which is the prescription food for ibd.   ironically, 
it is giving her loose bowels.  her ibd does not do well on the  prescription 
diet. which worries me. However, this diet is specially formulated  for 
pancreatitis as well, and I think the raw may be bad for it-- the  pancreatitis 
diet 
is supposed to be low in protein and fat and high in carbs,  and the raw diet 
is obviously not that. So  in that respect I figure it may  be just as well 
she wants the i/d, even if it upsets her bowels, in case she has  pancreas 
problems.
 
Belinda, do you know what kind of cancer the pancreatic cancer was? Was it  a 
sarcoma, adenocarcinoma, lymphoma, etc.? I ask because they are treated  
differently and I am considering whether to push for higher steroids, 
acemannan,  
or both.
 
Thanks,
Michelle
 
In a message dated 1/20/2007 12:54:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

A friend of mine whose kitty would have pancreatitis attacks  
frequently but not so much now that they have figured out what works for  
her, gives her cat higher doses of prednisolone when she has an attack,  
this cat has been on prednisolone for many years because of it (over 7  
years I think).  She just had an eposide about 6 months ago that  
presented differently and they took her in and did over 600 dollars in  
tests that were basically inconclusive, so my friend decided to up her  
pred and guess what it cleared up.  They were almost considering  
euthanizing her because she was so miserable, but the higher pred took  
care of it so it was a pnacreatitis attack same as before.  I think  this 
kitty is about 15 or 16 years old.  She keeps her on a higher  dose of 
pred when she is having an attack and when she is over it weans  her very 
slowly down to a maintenance dose.  I can talk to her and  find out what 
food she eats.  She has a lot of, in fact almost all of  her cats are 
special needs.  They all have special diets, and many  are on various 
medications.  I'll try and get a hold of her tomorrow  and ask her about it.

Bailey was also on the raw diet when he got sick,  I don't know if that 
had anything to do with it or not, I do know he got  quite plump on the 
raw and was eating really good until he got sick.  

Re: question about IBD and anemia

[Belinda]

   A friend of mine whose kitty would have pancreatitis attacks 
frequently but not so much now that they have figured out what works for 
her, gives her cat higher doses of prednisolone when she has an attack, 
this cat has been on prednisolone for many years because of it (over 7 
years I think).  She just had an eposide about 6 months ago that 
presented differently and they took her in and did over 600 dollars in 
tests that were basically inconclusive, so my friend decided to up her 
pred and guess what it cleared up.  They were almost considering 
euthanizing her because she was so miserable, but the higher pred took 
care of it so it was a pnacreatitis attack same as before.  I think this 
kitty is about 15 or 16 years old.  She keeps her on a higher dose of 
pred when she is having an attack and when she is over it weans her very 
slowly down to a maintenance dose.  I can talk to her and find out what 
food she eats.  She has a lot of, in fact almost all of her cats are 
special needs.  They all have special diets, and many are on various 
medications.  I'll try and get a hold of her tomorrow and ask her about it.


Bailey was also on the raw diet when he got sick, I don't know if that 
had anything to do with it or not, I do know he got quite plump on the 
raw and was eating really good until he got sick. 


--

Belinda
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Re: question about IBD and anemia

[Lernermichelle]

 
How would you have treated the pancreatitis had you known?
 
In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:13:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Remember  too Bailey was anemic, no fluid in the belly but his anemia was 
symptomatic of  his undiagnosed pancreatitis which ended up being cancer of the 
pancreas,  don't know if it was cancer all along or turned into cancer from not 
being  treated.


Anemia can cause heart  murmer