Re: [Finale] Finale 2005 development cycle?

2004-07-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Aaron Sherber wrote: I *don't* want to jump ship; that's the problem. Finale fits the way I work much better than Sibelius does. (Though frankly, if Sibelius offered Speedy Entry and Scroll View, at this point I would probably switch.) "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

[Finale] Arpeggiated chord symbol

2004-07-04 Thread Craig Parmerlee
There is a symbol that is quite common in harp music and somewhat common in piano scores. It is a squiggly vertical line placed immediately to the left of a chord. It means that the chord is to be played as if strummed -- that is, the notes are played in rapid sequence on the indicated beat,

Re: [Finale] Arpeggiated chord symbol

2004-07-05 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Dan Rupert wrote: I'm not sure what Finale version you're using but it shows up in articulation slot #13 for me (WinFin04). It has a somewhat deceptive appearance to me in the Articulation DB as I expect it to look longer. Once you place it in the staff, however, it extends as far as you need it

Re: [Finale] Finale 2005 announced

2004-08-16 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Maybe there's some fluff, maybe not. But they hit the two biggest product defects, IMHO: tuplets and repeats. If they even got those halfway right, 90 bucks for that is a no-brainer. I'll make that up in productivity savings on the very first project. And if, by some stroke of good fortune,

Re: [Finale] Another thing Sibelius has

2005-07-21 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 8 Jul 2005 at 9:18, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I think they are going to have to abandon the yearly upgrades. I think it's a really bad business practice in the first place, because it places a schedule on development that is artificial -- a software development schedule should be determined b

Re: [Finale] Another thing Sibelius has

2005-07-22 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Craig Parmerlee wrote: First, let me apologize to Johannes for the incorrect quotation line in my earlier message. dhbailey quoted Craig Parmerlee saying: [snip]> As users who have a vested interest in Finale surviving, we cannot solve the software problems for them. But we can

Re: [Finale] Another thing Sibelius has

2005-07-22 Thread Craig Parmerlee
David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Jul 2005 at 18:03, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Last year, we fought ferociously to get ourselves out of the legacy problem -- advancing our platform 15 years in the course of 12 months. Now we are determined to take full advantage of the productivity that comes

Re: [Finale] Did everyone miss this?

2005-07-28 Thread Craig Parmerlee
And just a reminder that RAM is really cheap compared to the value of anybody's time dealing with a slow system. If you don't have 512MB or more of RAM on your system, you are cheating yourself. Andrew Levin wrote: One moment Aaron Sherber said: WinFin2006 seems to be a real memory hog

[Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-29 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Anybody have success playing click tracks while using GPO? This doesn't seem to work for me, which makes it impossible to use Hyperscribe with GPO. Is there any practical way to convert an older score to use GPO? I read the documentation on this and the procedure is truly horrendous. It wou

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-29 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Gerald Berg wrote: An hour! Should I be so lucky. A month is more like it. Jerry I meant per track. :) Really, that is about the crappiest "integration" I have seen in the past 15 years. It took me 20 minutes just to register the GPO feature. The GPO website is pushing the frontiers of

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-29 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Christopher Smith wrote: I think the best way is to copy the old score into a newly-created GPO-friendly template. Obviously, there would be WAY too many tweaks to make it look good, too, so it would just be for playback. For the expressions to playback, you would have to delete all the expr

Re: [Finale] Click Tracks with GPO

2005-07-29 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Darcy James Argue wrote: On 29 Jul 2005, at 12:09 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: And dynamics? Tempo markings? Are they handled automatically, too? They were handled automatically in 2k5 as well (provided you have "Optimized for GPO" checked). 2k6 has an "auto-detect" option for GPO, makin

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-29 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ok ... so I'd like to hear someone else confirm that the GPO sounds are no better at all than standard soundfonts. True? No? What's the concensus? I won't say they're no better, but I surely don't understand the fuss unless you are using Finale strictly as a sequen

Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO

2005-07-30 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Tyler Turner wrote: Hi Craig, Darcy mentioned it, but I just want to make sure you caught it. For new compositions that you create with the setup wizard, you don't have to do any GPO setup. It's automatically done (and that's a major part of the integration). For older files, yes, you will h

[Finale] Without GPO, is F2006 worth it?

2005-07-30 Thread Craig Parmerlee
A number of people have been disappointed (or even outraged) and the reality of GPO with this release. It is a hack job that is not integrated in any stretch of that word. For people who are willing to spend hours fiddling with their equipment in order to make the most realistic rendering of

Re: [Finale] Without GPO, is F2006 worth it?

2005-07-31 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: Craig Parmerlee wrote: [snip] Having said that, there are many subtle improvements in the basic product that, cumulatively, justify an upgrade IMHO. I haven't been keeping a list, but I've already come across a dozen or so things that

Re: [Finale] Without GPO, is F2006 worth it?

2005-07-31 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Aaron Sherber wrote: > - New controls for default placement of articulations. Really? I haven't noticed this. What do you see now that wasn't there before? Maybe nothing. This stuff might have been in 2005, but it seems more extensive to me. Here's the biggie. I just extracted a doze

Re: [Finale] Without GPO, is F2006 worth it?

2005-07-31 Thread Craig Parmerlee
David W. Fenton wrote: On 31 Jul 2005 at 1:32, Craig Parmerlee wrote: [re: GPO:] For people who are willing to spend hours fiddling with their equipment in order to make the most realistic rendering of a symphony orchestra, maybe it has some merit. First off, I don't have F

Re: [Finale] Without GPO, is F2006 worth it?

2005-07-31 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Darcy James Argue wrote: On 31 Jul 2005, at 5:22 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Unless you want to do something more than sit back and admire the beauty of your creation. If you are trying to share the score and send MIDI demos over the net, for example, you are going to be farting around a

[Finale] Left margin in scroll view

2005-08-04 Thread Craig Parmerlee
OK, this is one that has bugged me no end for 10 years. But tonight it seems to be driving me crazy more than usual. In scroll view, Finale displays the staff names to the left of the staff. But the spacing is such that most of the staff name disappears off the left of the screen. It makes

Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

2005-08-05 Thread Craig Parmerlee
No, that is not how it is working for me. So I guess I don't have the slightest idea what YOU are talking about. Any time you change the zoom levels, for example, the margin goes all the way back to the left. There are many other very routine options that also send the margin back to the lef

Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

2005-08-05 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I agree with all of that, and let me just reiterate that the margin ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT stay put. Changing the zoom level puts it back to the left for certain, and there are other operates that do likewise. I'm not on my Finale machine right now, so I can't enumerate the other cases that torm

Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

2005-08-05 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Darcy James Argue wrote: On 05 Aug 2005, at 8:25 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I agree with all of that, and let me just reiterate that the margin ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT stay put [when zooming in and out]. On my system, it ABSOLUTELY DOES. Is this a Windows problem or something? - Darcy

Re: [Finale] Left margin in scroll view

2005-08-06 Thread Craig Parmerlee
In the Windows version, *ALL* of the techniques you mentioned mess up the left margin. Just to put this in some perspective, maybe I can describe the project where it became completely maddening, in hopes that somebody from Finale might gain a better appreciation for why attention to the user

Re: [Finale] Save as Audio File

2005-08-09 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Gary Griffiths wrote: Thank you Darcy and Hiro - Yes I have tried reducing that, no change. Also tried reducing volume in instrument list window and Base Velocity in Playback options (what is the difference in these two settings?) and volume in Windows sound Properties. Shouldn't these all be ov

[Finale] 1012B: Controlling automatic range detection

2012-07-11 Thread Craig Parmerlee
The 2012B release has a nice feature that automatically highlights notes that Finale thinks are out of range. Previously there was a plug-in to do this. In the plug-in you could select beginner-intermediate-advanced to fine-tune the range. I have looked around and I cannot find any way to co

Re: [Finale] 2012B: Controlling automatic range detection

2012-07-12 Thread Craig Parmerlee
eginner/Intermediate/Advanced". > > -Lee > > -Original Message- > From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of > Craig Parmerlee > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:43 PM > To: Finale News List > Subject: [Finale] 1012B: Controlli

[Finale] Advice on drum set notation

2012-07-16 Thread Craig Parmerlee
There is a style of drum set notation that has slash notation in the measures, but the punches are written as regular notes above the percussion staff. I can't figure out how to make this happen in Finale. I trued using a second voice for the punches, but if the measure is set to slash notati

[Finale] F2012 gets really slow rendering WAV

2012-07-16 Thread Craig Parmerlee
If I have my instruments set to MIDI, I can render to WAV quickly. But if my instruments are set to VST, there seems to be a problem where the software bogs down slower and slower. If my score is only 75 measures, I can render, but if it is 120 measures, it gets so slow that I think it will p

Re: [Finale] Advice on drum set notation

2012-07-16 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I get what I need by modifying the definition for slash notation to show notes in all other layers, which is similar to your suggestion. Thanks. On 7/17/2012 1:24 AM, dershem wrote: > On 7/16/2012 10:07 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> There is a style of drum set notation that has sla

Re: [Finale] Advice on drum set notation

2012-07-16 Thread Craig Parmerlee
"all other layers" check the "Notes" box. That seems to work, but maybe somebody has a more straightforward approach. On 7/17/2012 1:07 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > There is a style of drum set notation that has slash notation in the > measures, but the punches are wri

Re: [Finale] F2012 gets really slow rendering WAV

2012-07-17 Thread Craig Parmerlee
d to an outboard digital recorder, or to Audacity > on another computer. > > Raymond Horton > Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC > Composer, Arranger > VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com > > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Cra

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?

2012-07-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I wonder if anybody has any information or informed opinion abut the impact of MuseScore on the commercial products (Finale and Sibelius particularly). I cannot see MuseScore being a significant factor for professional composers, arrangers and copyists., but that is surely a small percentage o

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?

2012-07-20 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 7/20/2012 3:07 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: > > I know that when I taught a music theory class at a middle school a few > years ago I had the students download and use MuseScore. That was 10 > sales Finale didn't get. > > But because of the ease of use right out of the box, actually, many such >

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?

2012-07-29 Thread Craig Parmerlee
thing like that. I cannot see myself ever producing a finished audio product within Finale, so I'd rather see them put that effort into fixing the many bugs and annoyances in the basic product. On 7/24/2012 3:04 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:22 PM, Craig P

[Finale] Ties into second endings

2012-07-31 Thread Craig Parmerlee
This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the first endi

Re: [Finale] 1012B: Controlling automatic range detection

2012-07-31 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Absolutely. I love the feature, although I am generally familiar with instrument ranges. It is a very nice assist, but it would be even better if I could make a few adjustments to the instrument ranges. On 7/30/2012 12:30 PM, John Howell wrote: > Of course! But it is somewhat useful when I'v

Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings

2012-08-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
gt; > There have been times (perhaps with older updated files) where that doesn't > work, and I have to use a hand slur adjusted to resemble the ties. > > Chuck > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> This is something that has always bugged me.

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?

2012-08-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 8/1/2012 5:22 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: > WordPerfect is very far from the people who originated it (several > iterations of ownership, actually) yet it remains a robust word > processing environment David, I was with you -- right up to that instant. I'm thinking if Finale follows the path

Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings

2012-08-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
No, I could not find any way to flip the tie. I ended up just removing it because it was worst than having no end-tie at all. The last note before the endings was second space with the stem up as normal. I didn't override anything. The tie to the right of the last measure before the endings

Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings

2012-08-02 Thread Craig Parmerlee
mes I have to copy the entire > file contents to a new document to clean it out. > > Christopher > > On Wed Aug 1, at WednesdayAug 1 11:32 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> No, I could not find any way to flip the tie. I ended up just removing >> it because it was

Re: [Finale] "Out of Range" Notes

2012-08-07 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Are you doing playback with Garritan or MIDI? MIDI ought to cover a very wide range. The Garritan files do seem to stop before the outer reaches of some instruments. I've noticed that on tuba and bass trombone for example. On 8/6/2012 9:35 PM, Neal Gittleman wrote: > Greetingsā€¦ > > Using F

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?

2012-08-07 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Like others, I wasn't even aware the product was still alive. About once a month somebody sends me a WPD , which of course I can't open. One of those guys is still using Windows 95. This loosely relates to the Dark Ages concept of file compatibility that the Finale folks have followed. It is

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?

2012-08-09 Thread Craig Parmerlee
on is inherent with LibreOffice. On 8/7/2012 11:39 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > On 2012-08-07 16:22, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> This loosely relates to the Dark Ages concept of file compatibility that >> the Finale folks have followed. It is never a good business model, when &g

Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?

2012-08-09 Thread Craig Parmerlee
iscuss the word processor -- only the subject matter of the article. MakeMusic does not understand collaboration, period. On 8/9/2012 10:29 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > On 2012-08-09 15:26, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> With MusicXML, you lose everything but the notes, basically. > You ha

[Finale] 2nd Quarter 2012 results

2012-08-19 Thread Craig Parmerlee
See http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2012/08/07/makemusic-reports-second-quarter-2012-results It includes the comment "Development efforts are well underway towards a mid-2013 launch of a modernized Finale product that takes advantage of current technology and workflows." My interpretation is t

Re: [Finale] 2nd Quarter 2012 results

2012-08-19 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I think you are right that they might be burnishing the story a little. I suppose there is an argument that when they come out with a new release annually, some people might place an order before the June quarter ends, particularly if the company said "order now and you will get a free upgrade

[Finale] Garritan JABB V2 versus V3

2013-04-23 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I bought JABB a few years back. I haven't had it installed for the last several Finale releases because the supplied GPO voices were sufficient. But I'm working on a project where I really need the keyswitch voices (muted trumpets). So I installed this software on my Windows 7 Finale 2012 sy

Re: [Finale] Garritan JABB V2 versus V3

2013-04-24 Thread Craig Parmerlee
dent. On 4/24/2013 12:42 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > I bought JABB a few years back. I haven't had it installed for the last > several Finale releases because the supplied GPO voices were > sufficient. But I'm working on a project where I really need the > keyswitch voice

[Finale] F2012: How to stop chord playback for specific instruments?

2013-05-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I have a big band chart where the solo sections have the chords in numerous parts that optionally could solo. I don't want these chords to play back. I only want the chords to play back on the piano staff. I can't find any way to turn this off in a mass edit or global sort of way. I realize

Re: [Finale] F2012: How to stop chord playback for specific instruments?

2013-05-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
mist that some of these bugs will be cleaned up in the 2014 version. But if it is really an extensive rewrite ... well, I don't even want to think about the implications. On 5/1/2013 1:41 PM, Michael Mathew wrote: > Dear Craig Parmerlee, > > In the score manager each instrument h

Re: [Finale] F2012: How to stop chord playback for specific instruments?

2013-05-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
mist that some of these bugs will be cleaned up in the 2014 version. But if it is really an extensive rewrite ... well, I don't even want to think about the implications. On 5/1/2013 1:41 PM, Michael Mathew wrote: > Dear Craig Parmerlee, > > In the score manager each instrument h

Re: [Finale] F2012: How to stop chord playback for specific instruments?

2013-05-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I believe that turns off chord playback for ALL instruments. I want chord playback on my piano track because most of that track is just slash notation with chord names. The ScoreManager thing works to a degree. If you mute an instrument from the mixer window and then unmute it, that unmutes t

[Finale] F2012 HP doesn't apply swing timing to chord playback

2013-05-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
OK, this is probably a bug that has no fix, and maybe I'm the only person in the world who thinks this is important. When writing for jazz piano, I usually just put in enough notes to suggest a style and let the piano player use his own comping skills, which are almost always better than anythi

Re: [Finale] F2012 HP doesn't apply swing timing to chord playback

2013-05-02 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Just write a simple piano part and hide the notation. >> >> Cheers, >> >> - DJA >> - >> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >> >> On May 2, 2013, at 1:19 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> >>> OK, this is probably a bug that has no fix, and maybe I'm

[Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

2013-05-03 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I have JABB V3 (the current version. I think the saxes and various basses are pretty good. Trumpets are horrendous -- sound more like a reed organ than a trumpet.. I have worked mostly with the individual trumpet sounds of the "notation - keyswitch" category. so maybe some of the other trump

Re: [Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

2013-05-03 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Hey, come to think of it, there are no cimbasso sounds on the Garritan libraries. How could they have missed that? :) I'm not doing many of the things you mentioned. I am using a little reverb, but I got frustrated when I couldn't control that from Aria. The Aria player has a tab for effects

Re: [Finale] Garritan question - Big Band brass sounds

2013-05-03 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Thanks for the suggestion. But I can't get out of the starting gate. Where is this "articulation definition" window? Is that in document options, somewhere in HP settings or somewhere else? I can't find any reference to it in the documentation. On 5/3/2013 11:18 AM, Christopher Smith wrote

Re: [Finale] Aria mixer behavior

2013-05-03 Thread Craig Parmerlee
As I am digging deeper into trying to get a realistic playback, I am struggling with the Aria mixer. I expected the fader levels to be static, like an un-motorized control surface. I want the dynamics to adjust up and down with the dynamic expressions I have entered in the score. But what I a

[Finale] Aria mixer behavior

2013-05-03 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I posted this on another thread, but maybe it deserves its own thread. I am looking for practical advice on how Aria (i.e. the Garritan sounds) relates to the normal Finale mixer window. It appears to me that if I use the faders on either one, they have an effect, but they are not linked. So i

Re: [Finale] Aria mixer behavior

2013-05-03 Thread Craig Parmerlee
the pan to put a voice ENTIRELY to one side or another. So from what I can surmise, you use the Aria player to assign instruments and to set up the reverb sends, but nothing else (unless you are tweaking the sound of a particular sample (EQ, etc.). Is that how others do it? On 5/3/2013 6:31

Re: [Finale] Garritan band library - Avoiding simultaneous attacks

2013-05-05 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 4/24/2013 9:09 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: > 5.it is imperative to avoid simultaneous attacks. HP does that to some > extent, but I haven't taken the time to determine how much. How do you do that? Is that the setting in HP preferences - Tempo variations called "Don't randomize (exact timing)"?

Re: [Finale] Darcy and the Secret Society Rule (but we knew that)

2013-05-06 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Wow. The few sound clips that appear on the interview sound very interesting. The description "21st century big band" might sound a bit highfalutin, but what I hear adds up to that description. It seems that the trend in big bands in the last 30 years was mostly about playing louder, faster,

Re: [Finale] colors

2013-05-12 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I know this isn't what you are asking for (i.e. not a solution internal to Finale), but it is really quick and easy to generate all your parts as PDF, using the PDF Creator free software. That is a good thing to do without respect to the desire for colors. But once your parts are in PDFs, you

[Finale] Are the "free" (bundled) Garritan sounds the same as the GPO and Concert Band sounds?

2013-05-15 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I have the Garritan J&BB library, and of course the basic library that comes with Finale 2012. I am getting better at making the playback sound halfway authentic for big bands. So yesterday I decided to work on a trombone quartet piece. For this, I used the bundled sounds: the three solo teno

Re: [Finale] Are the "free" (bundled) Garritan sounds the same as the GPO and Concert Band sounds?

2013-05-15 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Does anybody have any insights -- or even educated guesses -- where Garritan stands regarding continued development? They were acquired by Makemusic, so that raises questions, at least about how this might affect product cycles. I note that PGMusic (Band In A Box) has been on a product cycle o

Re: [Finale] "Bravura"

2013-05-24 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Bravura seems like a nice font, but that is hardly a breakthrough. The SMuFL idea seems like something the industry should get behind, as an annex to MusicXML -- making MusicXML files that much more transportable. Again, a nice development, but not really a huge breakthrough. At this stage,

Re: [Finale] 2011 formatting question

2013-05-26 Thread Craig Parmerlee
It seems to me that Speedy entry remains in the data entry mode WITHOUT FORMATTING as long as it thinks you are still entering notes. You have to click on a whole different region of the score to get it out of that mode, and then it will proportion everything. I assume this was for efficiency

[Finale] I notice that there is still no Finale update

2013-09-04 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Makemusic said they would have a new release in 2013. The normal pattern would be to announce new releases in May or June so as to get into the pipeline for the new school year. That did not happen. Another normal pattern is to not announce anything during August because much of the world is o

Re: [Finale] I notice that there is still no Finale update

2013-09-04 Thread Craig Parmerlee
work better than adhere to some release schedule > > NOT Sent from my Hackintosh > -- > Eric Dannewitz > Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius > http://www.ericdannewitz.com > > On Sep 4, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> Makemusic said they would have

Re: [Finale] I notice that there is still no Finale update

2013-09-05 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 9/5/2013 3:02 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: > On 9/5/2013 1:38 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> Well, "some schedule" is over 2 years now. There comes a point where a >> company ceases to be in business if they aren't shipping a product. >> > Remember what th

Re: [Finale] I notice that there is still no Finale update

2013-09-05 Thread Craig Parmerlee
trary release schedule? > > Sent from my iSomething > -- > Eric Dannewitz > Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius > http://www.ericdannewitz.com > >> On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> >> Well, "some schedule" is over 2 years now. There co

Re: [Finale] "Export to Audio File" dialog box inconsistent

2013-09-12 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Does this feature actually work for other people? I can only use this for very small files -- say 100 measures or less. Anything larger and the program gets stuck. It generates the first minute or two of music very fast and then grinds to a halt. I suppose if I left it running for a couple

Re: [Finale] "Export to Audio File" dialog box inconsistent

2013-09-12 Thread Craig Parmerlee
My symptoms are exactly like yours, except a lot more extreme. That is to say, the display usually freezes somewhere around the 70% point. If I watch the actual file size, it grows rapidly (at an expected rate) up to the point when the display freezes. But from that point onward, the file gr

Re: [Finale] "Export to Audio File" dialog box inconsistent

2013-09-13 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I don't think the speed of my machine is an issue. It is a dual core AMD running Win7 64-bit, with 6GB of physical RAM. There are certainly faster machines around, but this one is feast enough. The first 75% of the file is generated very quickly, then it grinds to a halt. I had this same pr

[Finale] This item will be available on November 28

2013-09-13 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Finale 2014: A Trailblazer Guide http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/finale-2014-mark-johnson/1116075876?ean=9780981473178 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] "Export to Audio File" dialog box inconsistent

2013-09-13 Thread Craig Parmerlee
What you describe is certainly within the realm of possibility. I spent a bit of time earlier in my career modeling the behavior of large-scale mainframes, and this involved a branch of science called "queuing theory". There very definitely can be "knee of the curve" phenomena where everything

Re: [Finale] This item will be available on November 28

2013-09-13 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I'm pretty sure it is about the new release. The text description is just copied from the prior version, which has been on the market a long time. It would make no sense to write a Finale 2012 book at this stage. Also note that the book cover clearly indicates "Finale 2014". Here is the 2012 ve

Re: [Finale] "Export to Audio File" dialog box inconsistent

2013-09-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
I did some additional testing this evening with the System Monitor turned on. There is no memory problem. It never pages at all, and there is always more than 3GB available. It is the CPU that goes through the roof. I tried a moderately complicated score under several conditions. This score

[Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-15 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Just looking for opinions and thoughtful speculation. Finale had to go private to get an infusion of capital. But they seem to be nearing a new product release that has the potential to put them on a more solid footing. Avid acquired Sibelius, and that company seems to be in a real mess at th

Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-16 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 9/16/2013 6:07 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: > But I expect that if it can weather the current financial woes, Avid > will continue to develop Sibelius. Certainly if one can say that > Sibelius is a mature cash cow that doesn't need any more development, > the same can be said for Finale, yet we

Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-16 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 9/16/2013 1:36 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > Honestly though, what sort of "breakthroughs" are you wanting? I'd > rather see refinements of stuff that is already in there but doesn't > work well. Like audio to pitch, the whole parts thing in Finale, > making play back for scores better, maybe e

Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 9/17/2013 7:30 AM, Steve Parker wrote: > Maybe I'm alone in not wanting every program to do everything.. Again I would look at the parallel in the DAW universe. DAWs, per se, don't do that much. They are essentially "frameworks" that provide a basic set of capabilities needed by anybody invo

Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 9/17/2013 8:19 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > On 2013-09-17 07:05, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> 1) In 2013 I shouldn't still have to fiddle with layouts on my parts. >> How many Finale releases have we seen that bragged about great new >> algorithms that avoid collis

Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Just for the record, I also want most of the things you listed. And I think you identified the nub of the problem. As Finale (or any other notation product) exists today, it is in fact a zero sum game because it is a closed system where only MakeMusic (and a few plug-in developers) can delive

Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-17 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 9/17/2013 2:18 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: > I think Steinberg notation software is, at this point, the poster boy for > "100% > vaporware." They put out a video with demos made on a totally different > product, for goodness' sake! > > I wish them only the best, and hope the ultimate product doe

Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-18 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Regardless of whether we all can come together on the meaning of "vaporware", wouldn't it be cool if the notation industry had a degree of standardization and openness such that we could use a mixture of tools, as the need fit? In the process of recording, I might use dedicated hardware at the

Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-22 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 9/17/2013 9:50 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > But I am but surprised at the dismissive implications of calling Fin and > Sib "20-year-old products". Finale 2012 is 2 years old. It would be > laughable to compare it with version from 20 years ago, which I believe was > still (Mac) 2.6.x. For a lau

Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-22 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 9/17/2013 8:09 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > The version of MuseScore that I tried out 2 years ago was nowhere near > Fin/Sib, but it has been and continues to be moving faster than any of > them. And I disagree that it is not innovative. It's just that the > innovations that are added seem to b

Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?

2013-09-22 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 9/17/2013 2:33 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: > Translation of audio files into notation is a more sophisticated problem, one > that requires the kind of "jumping of levels" that computers are less good > at. I can think of a number of conditions in which notation decisions reside > in areas where

Re: [Finale] Finale 2014

2013-10-15 Thread Craig Parmerlee
That is really a miserable ad. It doesn't mention any benefits at all, only a handful of obscure features -- not to mention spelling errors (pallet). Generally speaking, the Finale folks do a pretty good job of describing the benefits of the new releases at announcement time. I do not believ

[Finale] Finale 2014: Improved export to WAV, but ...

2013-11-04 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Kudos for the improvements on Export to Audio. In the past I couldn't complete the export at all for VST instruments in most cases. Now it seems to be completely reliable and quite fast. However, I would have hoped there would be an option to create separate WAV files for each staff line, so

Re: [Finale] FM2014 won't open all FM2014 or earlier files

2013-11-05 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Probably not a great answer, but assuming you have 2012 still installed, you could save as MusicXML, and open in 2014 that way. Once open in 2014, you could probably save it is 2012 format successfully if you wanted to do that. Of course you will lose some formatting through the MusicXML proc

Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014

2013-11-10 Thread Craig Parmerlee
On 11/10/2013 11:10 AM, David Froom wrote: > After entering a few challenging measures (accidental-wise), I ran the finale > cautionary accidental plugin. Though it created parentheses when I > specifically told it not to, after taking them out, I saw that the > accidentals do, indeed, stick. SU

Re: [Finale] random thoughts on 2014

2013-11-11 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Yes, this is exactly what happens to me. I find myself sight-reading live performances a more often than I would like. I guess I am good enough at it that people are willing to call me in an emergency. Every time I trip up on one of these redundant accidentals non-parenthesized, I cuss the m

[Finale] F2014 bug: Articulations bleed through staff styles

2013-11-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
If you have articulations in a measure where you apply a staff style (e.g. slash notation), the articulations bleed through. This is a new bug with 2014. never happened on prior releases. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/

Re: [Finale] F2014 bug: Articulations bleed through staff styles

2013-11-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
he articulations? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> >> If you have articulations in a measure where you apply a staff style >> (e.g. slash notation), the articulations bleed through. This is a new &g

Re: [Finale] F2014 bug: Articulations bleed through staff styles

2013-11-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Why would you want to show an accent when the note doesn't show? An accent just sitting there by itself doesn't have any context. Accent WHAT? All I know is it never did this at 2012 and I didn't change anything in my staff style definition. On 11/14/2013 5:37 PM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > >

Re: [Finale] F2014 bug: Articulations bleed through staff styles

2013-11-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
. On 11/14/2013 10:54 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 14, 2013, at 9:55 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> >> Why would you want to show an accent when the note doesn't show? > Slash notation drum part might need accents on some

Re: [Finale] F2014 bug: Articulations bleed through staff styles

2013-11-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
er > > > > > On Thu Nov 14, at ThursdayNov 14 4:17 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> If you have articulations in a measure where you apply a staff style >> (e.g. slash notation), the articulations bleed through. This is a new >> bug with 2014. never happened o

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