Andy wrote:
whereas YASim allows different gear object
to retract independently.
!!!
... now there's a thought. Hmmm. I feel a feature request coming for JSBSim. :-)
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I am surprised to hear that JSBsim allows flying underground. It seems
pretty non-sensical to me. I don't think any other FDM allows flight
through material that is denser than air. I've had to put my earth-worm
simulator on the backburner for now anyway so I don't see this as a very
I believe you are seeing the results of a new capability that Dave Culp added
to JSBSim
recently.
Jon
Gerard ROBIN wrote:
after crash, the aircraft is again in normal startup situation, we have
not time to see place and position of crash.
Is it new? if yes how can we disable that new
What is the current state of modeling sensors in FlightGear? There's a
discussion in the
JSBSim group about the technical aspects of modeling sensors from an
engineering /
simulation perspective.
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Jon Berndt wrote:
It's alpha and beta.
in radians:
aero/alpha-rad
aero/beta-rad
in degrees:
aero/alpha-deg
aero/beta-deg
Hmm, it appears that these only show the aircraft's angles relative to
it's own velocity vector. I also need to sum in the crosswind so that I
get
OK, got it working. On another note, are interpolation tables supposed
to work everywhere factor tags do? They don't for spin animations, which
would be handy for me right now.
You can use TABLES in FACTOR definitions, as with ground effect mods to the lift
coefficient in this example from the
It's alpha and beta.
in radians:
aero/alpha-rad
aero/beta-rad
in degrees:
aero/alpha-deg
aero/beta-deg
Jon
OK, I'm trying to find what the air velocity relative to the fuselage of
a jsbsim plane is. I'm pretty sure the info is in
/fdm/jsbsim/atmosphere, but I don't know which values are
I'm interested in tallying up the existing JSBSim aircraft flight models. I'd be
interested to know (either by posting here or sending me a personal email)
which aircraft
you have modeled. It seems there are a lot of models floating around that are
not really
known about (albeit in various
Is the ground cache for the benefit of the FDM?
The FDMs are currently the only users of the groundcache, and yes, they
benefit from it. A lot. Per-wheel/contact-point ground awareness hadn't been
done before Mathias implemented the ground cache. And probably it would have
been a big
I'm finally getting around to reinstalling FlightGear after a hard drive crash
a couple
months ago. I have this as a place to get OpenAL for Cygwin:
http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv/files/fgfs/openal.tgz
Is this still the latest/best dist?
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* Erik Hofman -- Monday 30 May 2005 18:22:
I don't get it, I didn't see this behavior until after I committed the
patches, when I noticed it once. Melchior has these patches also applied
and didn't complain.
And I first saw it when I tried to reproduce Jon's problem. Which worked.
Only the **C-172** doesn't? Or, any JSBSim aircraft?
I tried several aircraft: all YASim worked. None of the JSBSim aircraft did.
But I wouldn't worry about it. Give Mathias a few hours time. That's probably
not hard to fix. (And enjoy the bo105 in the meantime! :-)
m.
You suspect the new
On Monday 30 May 2005 13:21, Jon Stockill wrote:
I'm not certain the area that the ground cache covers, but I
suspect it has applications beyond just contact points. ISTR
Lee was wanting to know ground elevation a distance ahead of
the aircraft for the terrain following mode of the TSR2s
Melchior FRANZ wrote:
For those who care: these changes to the beacon solve one of the recently
discussed problems with hanging FDM: The beacon is a quite expensive
structure.
It consists of about 1000 vertices and 950 triangles, all on the same spot.
When you fly over a beacon, the
directly. We aren't trying to eventually replace JSBsim with a
proprietary flight dynamics model here so please, I don't want anyone to
worry. :-) coughJon/cough :-) My main goal for attending this show
was to show the flexibility and adaptability of FlightGear as an
engineering and rapid
This is actually a good question to pass along to the FlightGear developers
list, too.
I'll repost any good answers here to the JSBSim list.
Andreas wrote:
I want to use JSBSim to simulate an airplane (no matter which airplane, so
I use
the Cessna).
...
The problem now is that the
Lately I've been flying around German terrain and have been getting an FDM
freeze at seemingly random occasions after flying for ten minutes or so.
Here's a screenshot of the freeze:
http://home.comcast.net/~davidculp2/fdm_freeze.jpg
The user airplane is frozen, but other things
On Freitag 20 Mai 2005 16:37, Andy Ross wrote:
Mathias Fröhlich wrote:
At first I need to know how this local frame is meant.
What I have found from the code is that it is meant to be the *geodetic*
horizontal local frame.
But is is meant to be fixed at the aircraft and thus rotates
That would be ideal, however there seems to be a dis-connection between the
EOM in the JSB models that's present in the YASim model. Of course, I'm
comparing the PA-28 to the c172 models, but the PA-128 will drive the energy
markers within the HUD according to model velocities and
c172 JBS Axx, Ayy, Azz seem always zero where PA-28 and A-10 YASim have
values. This effectively makes t2 = 0 and defeats the pot_slope from any
value
other than Vx, Vy, Vz.
Mike
Interesting. Since I lost a hard drive recently and haven't had time to
reinstall
FlightGear yet, I'll have
I'm a bit hazy on the reference frames, and I don't have a book handy, but it
looks to me as if JSBSim doesn't calculate accelerations in the local frame
(north, east, down). Maybe Jon or Mathias can weigh in on this, but looking
at Propagate.h I see local-frame velocities available through
I'm using the energy markers in the HUD to define inputs to the
student and the Yasim FDM seems to support more HUD components than the JBS
FDM...
Mike
?? I would have figured the HUD symbology is FDM-independent.
Jon
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Was HLA support ever added to flightgear?
..what do you mean by HLA support?
https://www.dmso.mil/public/transition/hla/
The High Level Architecture (HLA) is a general purpose architecture for
simulation reuse
and interoperability. The HLA was developed under the leadership of the
You might want to post this to the JSBSim mailing list, too. There is a growing
amount of
discussion there about modeling helos in JSBSim, if that is what you are aiming
for.
Jon
-
ghours wrote:
I have tried to make two helicopters as close as possible to the
The Spring 2005 issue of Back of the Envelope has been posted at the JSBSim
web site
(www.jsbsim.org).
This issue features lots of news on various projects that JSBSim (and
FlightGear!) are
being used. There is also an article on a new editor that is well into
development - and
editor that
You only need the JSBSim diff (and the FA18, of course :-). I don't know
it the diff does still apply, though. (It's Mathias' work, not mine.)
The diff still applies, since JSBSim is developed elsewhere.
Erik usually moves changes from JSBSim to flightgear before a release of fg.
Until
* Ampere K. Hardraade -- Wednesday 27 April 2005 14:39:
Another congratulation is in order -- successful landing.
I'm shocked! How could this happen!? Hasn't that (Boeing founded) study
pointed out basic problems with the A380?
m. :-}
I'm not aware that Boeing has claimed any such
Probably several. YASim has one for doing interpolation of standard
atmosphere parameters, and I'm sure there's a similar engine in the
JSBSim code, which depends on tables extensively in its configuration.
Yeah, that's something that could be a project in itself. There are a few ways
to do
It's nice to be able to have backout routines for interpolation
tables, as well, which can be extremely helpful in initialization
code. For tables up to 3d with fixed independent indices (is this
what you meant by 'grid', or did you mean fixed intervals?), this is
pretty straightforward.
On Thu, 2005-04-07 at 17:36, Erik Hofman wrote:
Yes, the C172p. At least and the F-104, F-15 and F-16 are based on
windtunnel data. The T-37 is partially based on flight test data.
And Both the Fokker 70/100 and Fokker 50 use available data where possible.
None of them are extensively
Josh Babcock wrote:
As for the directory, it is Engines, but that doesn't matter, I tried it
both ways and it pretty much does the same thing. I just took a closer
look at this. I had misread the strace before. Here's what I found that
it's doing:
This might be a silly question, but
Yeah, I actually took a look at that. I have a handle on how to do the XML, I
just don't have the expertise to make the actual sound files. The DC3 engine
sounds are nice, but they don't quite have that throaty sound that you get
from
an 18 cyl radial. I found a few recordings, but they
I'm restructuring the JSBSim directories in my local development environment,
in hopes
that it will simplify the development task and allow easier comprehension of
the file
structure. I'm learning about the autoconf/automake process. Right now I'm
trying to learn
about the Makefile.am files. I
However I thought JSBSim was just a flight dynamics engine?
Even if these features were added to an aircraft config file FG would still
have to be modified so that instruments can also have their own separate
config files otherwise you end up coding the instrument maths/logic into the
just a quick question: are there any guidelines regarding the scope at which
property system values should be accessed?
E.g., when should classes communicate values via the property system (if
at all)? At which level in the program structure / by which
entities should the property system be
Anyone ever try to get wxWindows to compile under Cygwin? I'm getting a strange
SOCKET and
m_timeout error.
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Jon S. Berndt wrote:
I haven't been following this thread very closely. Can someone
concisely recap what is wanted, here? It's most likely a very simple
addition for us if it's something we don't now model.
Actually, YASim uses a Nasal-based fuel system that was designed to be
With JSBSim, you could write a property interface manager for these
guys that replaces the internal internal fuel/weight managers you
have right now. If you wanted, you could actually write property
listeners to override the current property nodes and wire their
get/set operations directly
I have been using the c172 aircraft. Is it controlled by jsbsim or ysim?
Thanks,
Seamus
I vaguely recall hearing that there is a C-172 for each of those two FDMs. If
you are
refrring to the default c172, that's _probably_ the JSBSim one.
I haven't been following this thread very closely.
The latest issue of Back of the Envelope, the newsletter for the JSBSim
Flight Dynamics
Model, has been posted at the JSBSim web site. You can download the PDF and
read it by
going to www.jsbsim.org and clicking on the newsletter link.
Articles in this issue:
- JSBSim Configuration File Format
..hell no! Point these assholes to any good Islamic site to show'em
how these Religious Righteous Spammers Errs as humanoids.
You should not generalize,
..hell yeah, you're right, what I meant was any good Islamic shows how
most people are primitive muslims who are nearly there,
Let me steer this discussion in another direction ...
I would really love to start talking about doing a v1.0 release of
FlightGear ... maybe this spring or early summer. There are a couple
3. Fix the JSBsim low speed gear jitters. Here's my one and only *big*
gripe about JSBsim ... gear
Ok wrong word. Let me just say that it seems to lack some magic. Setting up
the p51d in Yasim was not my original intention as Jon S. Berdnt was claiming
at the time I started the 3D that he had a nearly working JSBSim model.
... which I did. I thought. The more I looked at the numbers for
c172, c172-le, c172p, c172r, c172x - I don't have the energy to sort
out the dependencies so throw it all in.
The C-172X is purely a development model It should definitely NOT be released.
Jon
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In addition to the status tag, I also support a author and version
tags. It would be great if people could go through and fill in these
fields as they can.
Is that for the FDM? JSBSim v2 config files will feature this header (partially
in working
with the DAVE-ML spec):
fileheader
Does anyone know if there is something similar in JSBSim? It seems that the
spoilers there are only symmetric, so are useful for landing, but not for in
flight use?
-- Adam
It hasn't been done, yet - I was just discussing this offline with someone. Let
me say
that, yes, it certainly CAN be
That sounds to me like the difficulty is in choosing (finding?) the
coefficients, rather than in the coding of JSBSim?
I don't mean to minimize the difficulty of finding all of those
coefficients, but in some sense that is really a different problem than can
JSBSim do it?
No new code is
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The problems were twofold:
1) I was not correctly allowing for split chunks (multiple data() calls).
2) I need to have table data as it is, now.
Almost fixed. But, the kids are up and it's time for breakfast...
Jon
OK, I fixed the problem. Here's what I do now in FGXMLParse (my
That sounds like the right approach to me (and I'm an expert because I
took a compilers class 15 years ago and we used the Dragon book.) :-)
Curt.
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, once ...
:-)
Jon
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No, there is no guarantee that the string will be non-empty (that goes
down to the underlying XML library). Again, make sure that you set
value = at the start event, and then process value at the
corresponding end event.
David
OK, I think I've figured out what the mitigating circumstance
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 08:06:13 -0600, Jon Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It appears that entire tables could be read in as one data chunk. I need to
do processing
in that case and manually separate the data rows. I think I've almost got
this one
figured out.
Sounds good. The main
Make sure you blank the string at the start tag.
David
Here's what's in the Traffic Manager:
void FGTrafficManager::data (const char * s, int len)
{
string token = string(s,len);
if (( token.find( ) == string::npos
(token.find('\n')) == string::npos))
{
: [Flightgear-devel] EasyXML problem?
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:41:55 -0600, Jon Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
void FGTrafficManager::data (const char * s, int len)
{
string token = string(s,len);
if (( token.find( ) == string::npos
(token.find('\n')) == string
Hmm, I thought I already had, but it seems I'm mistaken. It's in the
LaRCsim code (IO360.cxx), but never made it over to JSBSim's FGPiston.cpp.
I believe I was gunning for about 25 rpm drop on one vs. two magnetos in
the original code. I'll port it over...
Dave:
There are two active
Screen shot? :-)
Jon
If you'd like to try the c172p you can grab it here:
http://www.cyfinity.com/fgfs/c172p.tar.gz (extract in your /data/Aircraft
folder but back-up your existing 172p first! ;) )
Any feedback you can give me is greatly appreciated :-)
Pretty!
Jon
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Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:03 PM
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] My 172P work for appraisal
On Sunday 19 Dec 2004 22:03, Jon
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
Erik Hofman wrote:
Personally, I would be in favor of using angles to describe the
positions of left/right aileron, elevator, rudder and nose/tail wheel.
Please, not for the wheels. Really.
It doesn't probably matter too much for 3d animation if your
On Behalf Of Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:22:17 +0100, Gordan wrote in message
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Hi,
Pilots are taught to think in terms of pressure on stick not
displacement. That is part of the reason that the F-16 is built the
way it is.
..this used to be the doctrine
Also, ask yourself the question, does the normalized value of, say, 0.5
really correspond to 30 degrees of flaps when the total range is 0 to 60?
It should be, if the FDM does it's thing right.
Erik
Not so fast. Aero tables might be indexed for flaps based on angle. If the
flaps are
Curtis L. Olson wrote:
It doesn't probably matter too much for 3d animation if your conversion
factor get's you close.
There is another thing, all doors, struts and support bars are animated
based on the gear extension. While the main gear extension might be
perfectly valid in degrees,
Jon Berndt wrote:
good chance
that you're not going to get exactly 30 degrees flaps. The actuator
mechnism probably
won't linearly extend the flaps due to the compound nature of the flap
mechanisms.
If that is the case the FDM should know about it more than anything else
IMHO
Boy, do I enjoy a vigorous debate, especially when I am right. Unfortunately,
in this
case, I appears that I did not consider all the needs of the animation system.
Neither one
should have to be designed to make up for something the other doesn't do. So I
think the
best thing to do, as we've
Would you mind repeating your original intention, Jon?
Ampere
I started out with the question: Can anyone recommend a good digital
camcorder? and it
went downhill from there.
;-)
Here was my original question: I'd like to remove the code that normalizes
angular
measurement, but I am told
Hi,
I agree with Norman. As long as control system is of concern, it is much
better to use normalized units.
Control law block diagrams I have seen take stick input in pounds force (pilot
inputs) and
output in degrees to actuators. I've never seen one that output control
commands to an
Do 3D models use a normalized range to model aerosurface rotation, or actual
degree
magnitude? I've been looking at the JSBSim flight control code and the addition
of the
code that normalizes aerosurface (elevator, aileron, etc.) rotation positions
confuses
the code, and appears to only be
And the Simgear 3D animation code is all about taking those normalized values
and translating them to a representation of degrees movement. On the surface,
this doesn't make sense to me either.
Changing this on the FlightGear end and making the other FDMs compatible is
quite a task though.
Jon's mail server setup is ok
..aaand...
I am not sure yet what's going on with my email server[s]. I got an indication
from
SourceForge that they are aware of a problem and tell me I'll have a fix
shortly. That's
why I am using this list insteda of the JSBSim list - plus it needs to involve
For the splash screens we could organise a contest from users (yes, just
like gimp and others do) and select the 5-6 top spashes for inclusion.
Finally for the multi part i will check the code to see if i can help.This
is where all the fun is :P
I might have a look at doing some splash
I think it complains the class has no constructor other than the
copy one.
you should try to add one :
class MyClass {
public:
MyClass(AnotherClass *p); // constructor
MyClass(const MyClass mc); // copy constructor
private:
AnotherClass* const ptrToAnotherClass;
}
But I don't know at the moment, why Jons code doesn't work :(
CU,
Christian
For the moment, I'll just make it non-const.
Jon
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Alistair K Phipps writes:
or use vector FGTable* rather than vector FGTable ,
Yes I prefer using this form too
Norman
I made a few small changes to use the pointer as described above by Alistair.
That took
care of the problem. Thanks guys.
Jon
Can you give a complete minimal example? I just tried the
following one, and this compiles without problems, as it should:
See below.
Are you *using* the assignment operator for your class
somewhere?
Not that I know of.
Cheers
-Gerhard
Header file for FGTable:
--- start ---
#include
I've got shell access to SourceForge, but not to the cvs machine itself. I
don't think I'd
want to play with that, anyhow.
This won't be a showstopper, just a minor inconvenience.
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I'll
forward this one to the JSBSim list. I think Bill might have a good answer for
this one.
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BakerSent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 5:41 PMTo:
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Does anyone know if there is a parametric plane generator
for FlightGear.
Here's what I mean. If I have span, chord, wieght,
center of gravity, pitching moment, coef_lift at various
angles of attack, coef_drag like wise, prop efficiency,
et cetera, Can I generate an aircraft config
I have a situation where I am getting an error and I am not sure why. I have a
class
MyClass that has a copy constructor. The class has a private member that is a
const
pointer (the pointer is constant - not what the pointer points to):
class MyClass {
public:
MyClass(const MyClass mc); //
You have either a corrupted installation or a very old copy of FlightGear.
Those files
have not been in our distribution (or referenced) for somewhere around a year
(maybe two).
Jon
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I think the suggestions are getting more complicated than Curt had envisioned.
I think a hierarchy such as that which Curt mentioned makes a lot of sense.
Beyond that,
Dave Culp and I discussed at one point how nice it would be if one could simply
grab an
aircraft tar file that contained
Hi,
Apply carrier-operations.diff to flightgears source directory.
Put JSBSim-dropin.tar.bz2 into the JSBSim subdirectory.
Apply data.diff to the data directory.
Use the slightly updated FA-18.tar.bz2.
Note that if you drop this in atop the current JSBSim code I'm not quite sure
what will
Looks like X-Plane is finally going Linux - not just the support apps, but the
whole
thing. I guess there's even a beta available. Anyone try it, yet?
Jon
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I've started a JSBSim FAQ at the JSBSim web site. See the link at the top of
the main page
or go to www.jsbsim.org/FAQ.html
This is just a start of what I expect to be a long work in progress.
Suggestions/submissions welcome.
Jon
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I want to share a few impressions from my first landing on the nimitz.
The carrier still does not move, but the wires are working with a demo
implementation in JSBSim.
Pics from the replay:
http://na.uni-tuebingen.de/~frohlich/carrier/
:)
Nice pics.
Jon
Oops.
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:40:57 -0600, Jon Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I don't know if my calculations helped any, but it sure was a fun
diversion for a little while ...
Since Jon accidentally went online with this, I'd like to thank him
for the work. It turned out that I didn't
JSBSim will report only (for config file format v2.0) RELEASE as:
UNRELEASABLE
ALPHA
BETA
RELEASE (or PRODUCTION)
Jon
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To: FlightGear developers
Jon Berndt wrote:
JSBSim will report only (for config file format v2.0) RELEASE as:
UNRELEASABLE
ALPHA
BETA
RELEASE (or PRODUCTION)
I think ALPHA and UNRELEASABLE are the same for FlightGear (unless you
refer to unreleasable as non-GPL compliant, in which case I don't even
want
Is there a keyboard command for Mixture? I'm not comfortable that I am getting this set
right with the mouse clicks.
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What is the elevation of the default runway in FlightGear?
Jon
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In addition, what is the temperature and atmospheric conditions at the default runway?
I'd
like to run a test with known conditions - i.e. I'd like to use our JSBSim internal
atmosphere. I suspect that the atmospheric conditions are getting passed in by default,
true?
Jon
OK ... so: essentially sea level.
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Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Default airport
Jon Berndt writes
6:29 PM
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] Defaults
Jon Berndt writes:
In addition, what is the temperature and atmospheric conditions at the
default runway? I'd
like to run a test with known conditions - i.e. I'd like to use our JSBSim internal
5. Put your answer *under* the quoted text, not on top. Rationale:
A: No.
Q: Should I include quotations after my reply?
A: Top posters
Q: What is the most annoying thing on mailing lists?
m. ;-)
This one's not really a big deal to me. It's good to post replies on the bottom
and items related to the use of JSBSim, a flight dynamics model that is
used
by FlightGear.
As always, suggestions for future article topics, contributions of writing,
corrections,
etc. are welcome.
Jon Berndt
--
Project Coordinator
JSBSim Flight Dynamics Model
http://www.jsbsim.org
How does one create a branch? I know how to tag changed files locally:
cvs tag -b JSB_New_XML FGAircraft.cpp FGAircraft.h
Is that what you mean?
This is for creating a branch. Then you have to tell that you are
working on it by doing :
cvs update -r JSB_New_XML FGAircraft.cpp
Well, I've just about had it with cvs branches. I tagged some files in a branch, then
moved to a test directory and checked out that branch, but only got the branch-tagged
files. I needed all of the files, except I wanted the updated files on the specified
branch.
One thing that makes this
If I where you, I would tag the whole tree so that I wouldn't have to
remember what are files that need to be in the branch and those that
are not. cvs do a good job when adding or removing solely in the branch.
Sounds like a good idea.
Jon
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Just for the record:
- Creating that new branch.
How does one create a branch? I know how to tag changed files locally:
cvs tag -b JSB_New_XML FGAircraft.cpp FGAircraft.h
Is that what you mean?
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Hi Jon,
On Sonntag 03 Oktober 2004 16:06, Jon Berndt wrote:
I am trying to save to JSBSim CVS some files I have modified for reading
the new JSBSim XML format. These files should not be part of the main
(HEAD) branch at the moment. I'm not sure I have done this correctly. Can a
CVS
Just for the record:
- Creating that new branch.
How does one create a branch? I know how to tag changed files locally:
cvs tag -b JSB_New_XML FGAircraft.cpp FGAircraft.h
Is that what you mean?
This is for creating a branch. Then you have to tell that you are
working on
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