Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,

2004-10-12 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Martin Spott wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/releases In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv18174 Added Files: FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz Log Message: Official source release for v0.9.6 I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,

2004-10-12 Thread Jon Stockill
Martin Spott wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/releases In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv18174 Added Files: FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz Log Message: Official source release for v0.9.6 I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases

2004-10-12 Thread Jon Stockill
Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? Ahem, for this purpose I'll have put a patched version here within the next couple of minutes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases

2004-10-12 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? Ahem, for this purpose I'll have put a patched version here within the next couple of minutes that might serve as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases

2004-10-12 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Selon Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin Spott wrote: Martin Spott wrote: I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build the upcoming binary releases with a crease-patched version of current PLIB CVS ? Ahem, for this purpose I'll have put a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,

2004-10-12 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/releases In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv18174 Added Files: FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz Log Message: Official source release for v0.9.6 I'm asking just to find out: Do we all agree that it makes much sense to build

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases

2004-10-12 Thread Mathias Frhlich
Martin, If so, you might want to include some updated 3d models. For example the 737 is still flat shaded and the adf instrument is still ordered in in the wrong direction in current cvs base package. I am currently reviewing our models and will provide a patch later this evening.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,

2004-10-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Erik Hofman wrote: Sent: 12 October 2004 18:42 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE, Martin Spott wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/releases

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,

2004-10-12 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Vivian Meazza wrote : Hmmm ... last time I tried Plib cvs (last week) there seemed to be some problem with joystick axes under Cygwin. I reverted to 1.8.3, no problem. Lack of time has precluded further investigation. I already posted on that subject on the plib list but without any response. The

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE,

2004-10-12 Thread Vivian Meazza
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Sent: 12 October 2004 20:36 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:[Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:releases FlightGear-0.9.6.tar.gz, NONE, Vivian Meazza wrote : Hmmm ... last time I tried Plib cvs (last week) there seemed to be some

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases

2004-10-12 Thread Martin Spott
Mathias Fr??hlich wrote: I am currently reviewing our models and will provide a patch later this evening. I'd be glad to 'maintain' a temporary PLIB package for FlightGear if people welcome this effort but I don't want to cross anyone's plans, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Scenery newcache.cxx, 1.3, 1.4 tileentry.cxx, 1.36, 1.37 tileentry.hxx, 1.11, 1.12 tilemgr.cxx, 1.40, 1.41

2004-09-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson wrote: Curtis L. Olson said: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Scenery In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv20966/Scenery Modified Files: newcache.cxx tileentry.cxx tileentry.hxx tilemgr.cxx Log Message: Make a subtle change to tile loading/unloading policy in order to make

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, 1.2,

2004-09-18 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: + OpenAL setup for general use (Linux) + - + As of July 2004 it is best to add at least the following line to your + ~/.fgfsrc file on Linux because it wil find out what audio backend to + use, starting with the most appropriate: [...]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, 1.2,

2004-09-18 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: + OpenAL setup for general use (Linux) + - + As of July 2004 it is best to add at least the following line to your + ~/.fgfsrc file on Linux because it wil find out what audio backend to + use, starting with the most

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Scenery newcache.cxx, 1.3, 1.4 tileentry.cxx, 1.36, 1.37 tileentry.hxx, 1.11, 1.12 tilemgr.cxx, 1.40, 1.41

2004-09-17 Thread Jim Wilson
Curtis L. Olson said: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Scenery In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv20966/Scenery Modified Files: newcache.cxx tileentry.cxx tileentry.hxx tilemgr.cxx Log Message: Make a subtle change to tile loading/unloading policy in order to make the tile

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/Scenery newcache.cxx, 1.3, 1.4 tileentry.cxx, 1.36, 1.37 tileentry.hxx, 1.11, 1.12 tilemgr.cxx, 1.40, 1.41

2004-09-17 Thread Chris Metzler
Curtis L. Olson said: This situation should never occur in normal operation, but could occur incontrived situations where an external script was rapidly changing the simulator position to then be able to query FG terrain height, and doing this for a large number of points that are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-08-19 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Martin Spott -- Tuesday 17 August 2004 15:28: I just realized you already calculate the rel. humidity from temperature and dewpoint. You could calculate the cloud base from these two numbers and the airport elevation as well - at least our instructor taught us to

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-08-19 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Martin Spott -- Thursday 19 August 2004 13:16: Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Martin Spott -- Tuesday 17 August 2004 15:28: I just realized you already calculate the rel. humidity from temperature and dewpoint. You could calculate the cloud base from these two numbers and the airport

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-08-19 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Martin Spott -- Thursday 19 August 2004 13:16: Yes, the dew point represents the temperature, when humidity precipitates. In wet adiabatic conditions, which are likely to predominate, temperature decreases 1 degree Celsius per 100 m altitude. Now you can calculate

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main metar_main.cxx, 1.2,

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Main In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv21379 Modified Files: metar_main.cxx Log Message: Some code cleanups, and add a number of command line options. In this context an idea comes to my mind: Would'nt it be useful

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main metar_main.cxx, 1.2,

2004-08-17 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Martin Spott -- Tuesday 17 August 2004 11:09: In this context an idea comes to my mind: Would'nt it be useful to let 'metar' honour the respective parameters in a ~/.fgfsrc file (proxy settings for example) in the same the way, 'fgfs' does !? Useful?yes Feasible? hmm This would involve

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Martin Spott -- Tuesday 17 August 2004 11:09: In this context an idea comes to my mind: Would'nt it be useful to let 'metar' honour the respective parameters in a ~/.fgfsrc file (proxy settings for example) in the same the way, 'fgfs' does !? Useful?yes

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-08-17 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Martin Spott -- Tuesday 17 August 2004 12:24: I thought one might encapsulate the respective FG functions into a lib and link 'metar' against it Just a quick idea - please disregard. I've done the environment thing. Works well and doesn't require to mess with the libs. Also, it's more

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: As far as I've learnt meteo stuff (I have my theoretical test wednesday morning :-/ CAVOC translates into visibility 10 km (~ 7 miles) or greater and no clouds below 5000 ft GND. I thought, clear skies is being abbreviated by SKC, Sure. Don't be so picky! ;-)

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main metar_main.cxx, 1.3,

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Main In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv1037 Modified Files: metar_main.cxx Log Message: The next version of the two hourly metar update from Melchior: add proxy handling.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-08-17 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Martin Spott -- Tuesday 17 August 2004 12:24: vpngw: 12:07:27 ~ bin/metar -v EDLN INPUT: 2004/08/17 08:50 EDLN 170850Z VRB03KT CAVOK 22/17 Q1008 METAR Report ^ [...] Sky condition: clear skies

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2004-08-17 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Martin Spott -- Tuesday 17 August 2004 15:28: I just realized you already calculate the rel. humidity from temperature and dewpoint. You could calculate the cloud base from these two numbers and the airport elevation as well - at least our instructor taught us to do so in case of of doubt.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/InstallGuide/html

2004-08-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/InstallGuide/html In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv7474/InstallGuide/html Modified Files: getstartch2.html Log Message: Reffer to /usr/locla/share/FlightGear now. You'd better mail such changes to me or at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-08-16 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/InstallGuide/html In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv7474/InstallGuide/html Modified Files: getstartch2.html Log Message: Reffer to /usr/locla/share/FlightGear now.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-08-16 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: BTW, I didn't find your change in the current CVS checout of the base package. Could you tell me the lines you changed ? The *base* package? I don't think anything changed there (I searched for /usr/local/lib in all the documents, and if it didn't show up I didn't change

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-08-16 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Martin Spott wrote: BTW, I didn't find your change in the current CVS checout of the base package. Could you tell me the lines you changed ? The *base* package? I assume the location of the HTML file you changed is somewhere down in the base package. Changes in the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-08-16 Thread Norman Vine
Martin Spott writes: Erik Hofman wrote: Martin Spott wrote: BTW, I didn't find your change in the current CVS checout of the base package. Could you tell me the lines you changed ? The *base* package? I assume the location of the HTML file you changed is somewhere down in the base

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-08-16 Thread Martin Spott
Norman Vine wrote: I think this is the change in question http://cvs.flightgear.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/data/Docs/InstallGuide/html/getstartch2.html.diff?r1=1.3r2=1.4cvsroot=FlightGear-0.9sortby=date Hey, _this_ is really neat a tool ! Thanks for the link, it enabled me to find the

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data options.xml, 1.31, 1.32

2004-08-15 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Erik Hofman wrote: Modified Files: options.xml Log Message: Remove an obsolete option for airport-id. Erik, the option require an ICAO id, so I think this is the right option and find more logical to deprecate --airport instead. -Fred ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data options.xml, 1.31, 1.32

2004-08-15 Thread Erik Hofman
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Modified Files: options.xml Log Message: Remove an obsolete option for airport-id. Erik, the option require an ICAO id, so I think this is the right option and find more logical to deprecate --airport instead. There should be no difference between

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data options.xml, 1.31, 1.32

2004-08-15 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Erik Hofman wrote: Frederic Bouvier wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: Modified Files: options.xml Log Message: Remove an obsolete option for airport-id. Erik, the option require an ICAO id, so I think this is the right option and find more logical to deprecate --airport instead.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data options.xml, 1.31, 1.32

2004-08-15 Thread David Megginson
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Remove an obsolete option for airport-id. Erik, the option require an ICAO id, so I think this is the right option and find more logical to deprecate --airport instead. I'm with Erik on this one. Otherwise, we'd need to change --vor to --vor-id, --ndb to --ndb-id, etc.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data options.xml, 1.31, 1.32

2004-08-15 Thread Erik Hofman
Frederic Bouvier wrote: It was just a problem of consistency between the name of the option and what it is really doing and expecting as argument. I noticed you didn't touch options.cxx yet so both are still valid. Yep. And I intend to keep it that way for at least a few months more. -- Searching

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data options.xml, 1.31, 1.32

2004-08-15 Thread Frederic Bouvier
David Megginson wrote: Frederic Bouvier wrote: Remove an obsolete option for airport-id. Erik, the option require an ICAO id, so I think this is the right option and find more logical to deprecate --airport instead. I'm with Erik on this one. Otherwise, we'd need to change --vor to

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Docs/InstallGuide/html

2004-08-15 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/InstallGuide/html In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv7474/InstallGuide/html Modified Files: getstartch2.html Log Message: Reffer to /usr/locla/share/FlightGear now. You'd better mail such changes to me or at least post

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main fg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-26 Thread Jim Wilson
Arnt Karlsen said: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:00:08 +0100, Al wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 23 July 2004 15:23, Jim Wilson wrote: Sure enough, it's right there in Stroustrup. The strange part is never having noticed this before now. What is it with these

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main fg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:35:47 -, Jim wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen said: On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:00:08 +0100, Al wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 23 July 2004 15:23, Jim Wilson wrote: Sure enough, it's right there in Stroustrup. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main fg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-24 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:00:08 +0100, Al wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 23 July 2004 15:23, Jim Wilson wrote: Sure enough, it's right there in Stroustrup. The strange part is never having noticed this before now. What is it with these developers at microsoft anyway? ;-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main fg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-23 Thread Jim Wilson
Bernie Bright said: Jim Wilson wrote: globals-get_tile_mgr()-all_queues_empty() and cur_fdm_state-get_inited()) { ^^^ ^^^ Same here. That's a head scratcher. Never would have thought that would compile like that. Learn something new

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main fg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-23 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Jim Wilson wrote: Bernie Bright said: Jim Wilson wrote: globals-get_tile_mgr()-all_queues_empty() and cur_fdm_state-get_inited()) { ^^^ ^^^ Same here. That's a head scratcher. Never would have thought that would compile like that. Learn something new everyday.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main fg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-23 Thread Al West
On Friday 23 July 2004 15:23, Jim Wilson wrote: Sure enough, it's right there in Stroustrup. The strange part is never having noticed this before now. What is it with these developers at microsoft anyway? ;-) Since when have they had developers? Cheers, Al

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main fg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-22 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Main In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv28544/src/Main Modified Files: fg_init.cxx main.cxx Log Message: Jim Wilson: This patch prevents FDM execution until intial scenery load completes making midair starts in the KSFO area

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main fg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-22 Thread Boris Koenig
Frederic Bouvier wrote: ! if (!cur_fdm_state-get_inited() or fgGetBool(sim/sceneryloaded)) { ^^ Are we silently migrating the code to Pascal ? This doesn't compile with MSVC. lol, GREAT :-) don't know about MSVC++, but how about ios646.h ?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS: FlightGear/src/Mainfg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-22 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Boris Koenig wrote: Frederic Bouvier wrote: ! if (!cur_fdm_state-get_inited() or fgGetBool(sim/sceneryloaded)) { ^^ Are we silently migrating the code to Pascal ? This doesn't compile with MSVC. lol, GREAT :-) don't know

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS: FlightGear/src/Mainfg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-22 Thread Boris Koenig
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Boris Koenig wrote: Are we silently migrating the code to Pascal ? This doesn't compile with MSVC. lol, GREAT :-) don't know about MSVC++, but how about ios646.h ? and why not #define BEGIN { #define END } ? :-)) More seriously, does it brings us something we are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main fg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-22 Thread Jim Wilson
Frederic Bouvier said: Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Main In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv28544/src/Main Modified Files: fg_init.cxx main.cxx Log Message: Jim Wilson: This patch prevents FDM execution until intial scenery load completes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main fg_init.cxx, 1.104, 1.105 main.cxx, 1.171, 1.172

2004-07-22 Thread Bernie Bright
Jim Wilson wrote: globals-get_tile_mgr()-all_queues_empty() and cur_fdm_state-get_inited()) { ^^^ ^^^ Same here. That's a head scratcher. Never would have thought that would compile like that. Learn something new everyday. C++ provides keyword

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Airports basic.dat.gz, 1.5,

2004-05-26 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Airports In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv21708 Modified Files: basic.dat.gz runways.dat.gz Log Message: Updated airport, runway, taxiway, windsock, beacon, and tower data. Curt, would you _please_ :-) manually change

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/737 737-set.xml, 1.4, 1.5

2004-05-14 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/737 In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv16470/Aircraft/737 Modified Files: 737-set.xml Log Message: Property /sim/sound/audible renamed to /sim/sound/pause Individual aircraft -set.xml files shouldn't set global sound/volume

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/GUI dialog.cxx, 1.12, 1.13 dialog.hxx, 1.4, 1.5 prop_picker.cxx, 1.4, 1.5 prop_picker.hxx, 1.3, 1.4

2004-05-02 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: snip Also, the property picker is now non-modal, I presume the modality wasn't an intentional feature. It either wasn't an option then or something in pui was broken...can't remember which. If it works...great! That's probably been the #1 debugging annoyance, for me

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/GUI dialog.cxx, 1.12, 1.13 dialog.hxx, 1.4, 1.5 prop_picker.cxx, 1.4, 1.5 prop_picker.hxx, 1.3, 1.4

2004-05-02 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: Andy Ross wrote: Also, the property picker is now non-modal, I presume the modality wasn't an intentional feature. It either wasn't an option then or something in pui was broken...can't remember which. If it works...great! That's probably been the #1 debugging

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Propeller.cpp, 1.3, 1.4

2004-05-01 Thread Jim Wilson
Maybe I'm misunderstanding why you are doing this. Lower pitch angle, fast spinning prop. That doesn't makes sense? Best, Jim Andy Ross said: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/FDM/YASim In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv7517 Modified Files: Propeller.cpp Log Message:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Propeller.cpp, 1.3, 1.4

2004-05-01 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding why you are doing this. Lower pitch angle, fast spinning prop. That doesn't makes sense? Not pitch angle: A lower value of _j0 indicates a low advance ratio, which increases windmilling speed. This was just a sign bug to the previous checkin,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Propeller.cpp, 1.3, 1.4

2004-05-01 Thread Jim Wilson
Andy Ross said: Jim Wilson wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding why you are doing this. Lower pitch angle, fast spinning prop. That doesn't makes sense? Not pitch angle: A lower value of _j0 indicates a low advance ratio, which increases windmilling speed. This was just a sign bug to the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/FDM/YASim Propeller.cpp, 1.3, 1.4

2004-05-01 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: Is any of this addressing the low rpm propeller issue discussed last week? (In other words, should I bother trying to correctly adjust the p51d prop config yet?) In theory, yes. I haven't had a whole lot of time to test it yet, but the slow/windmilling propeller regime

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,

2004-04-28 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/docs-mini In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv6438 Added Files: README.sound Log Message: Add an explanation for using Arts. --- NEW FILE --- ALSA and Arts - This article leads me

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,

2004-04-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: ALSA and Arts This article leads me to the assumption that OpenAL at least on Linux is situated _always_ on top of the ALSA OSS emulation layer and does not use the ALSA interface directly but I find it hard to believe Why should I avoid directly using the ALSA layer

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,

2004-04-28 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 28 April 2004 13:22: The major problem here is Arts that doesn't play nice with programs that don't support Arts directly. This problem has annoyed me so much that if I had to chose an desktop manager it would never be KDE until they decide to stop using Art

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,

2004-04-28 Thread Jim Wilson
Erik Hofman said: Martin Spott wrote: ALSA and Arts This article leads me to the assumption that OpenAL at least on Linux is situated _always_ on top of the ALSA OSS emulation layer and does not use the ALSA interface directly but I find it hard to believe Why should I avoid

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,

2004-04-28 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 28 April 2004 13:46: - aRts can use ALSA - KDE can play sound without aRts (AFAIK; haven't tried) Oh, I forgot to mention: the main problems with aRts and ALSA seem to lie in ALSA, at least for some chips (e.g. AC97). This improved vastly in the latest 2.6.* Linux

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,

2004-04-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 28 April 2004 13:46: - aRts can use ALSA - KDE can play sound without aRts (AFAIK; haven't tried) Oh, I forgot to mention: the main problems with aRts and ALSA seem to lie in ALSA, at least for some chips (e.g. AC97). This improved vastly in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2004-04-28 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: This document is just an explanation on using FlightGear with KDE/Arts enabled. Ah, thanks. I didn't realize this, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are !

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,

2004-04-28 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 28 April 2004 14:15: Melchior FRANZ wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention: the main problems with aRts and ALSA seem to lie in ALSA, at least for some chips (e.g. AC97). This improved vastly in the latest 2.6.* Linux kernels. Sure, the most widely used sound option

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,

2004-04-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 28 April 2004 14:15: Melchior FRANZ wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention: the main problems with aRts and ALSA seem to lie in ALSA, at least for some chips (e.g. AC97). This improved vastly in the latest 2.6.* Linux kernels. Sure, the most widely used

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,

2004-04-28 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: Is this still true? I'm running KDE and can't remember the last time artsd got in the way. To be honest though, I don't recall what changed. Maybe I just turned off most of the stupid sounds in the kde apps. My impression was that recent versions of arts and esd released

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Jim Wilson
Erik Hofman said: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Input In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv26245 Modified Files: input.cxx input.hxx Log Message: Make it possible to define a target-platform tag in the joystick configuration file. This would make it possible to have

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jim Wilson -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 15:12: Erik Hofman said: Make it possible to define a target-platform tag in the joystick configuration file. This would make it possible to have different configuration files for Windows. Just curious, why is this required? Because Unix and Windows

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Jim Wilson -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 15:12: Erik Hofman said: Make it possible to define a tag in the joystick configuration file. This would make it possible to have different configuration files for Windows. Just curious, why is this required? Because

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: Erik Hofman checked in: Make it possible to define a target-platform tag in the joystick configuration file. This would make it possible to have different configuration files for Windows. Possible values are: Windows, UNIX or All. Not specifying the tag equals to 'All'.

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Frederic Bouvier -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 15:49: Melchior FRANZ wrote: Because Unix and Windows don't always agree on axis numeration. In fact, they never agree. axis 2 3 are reverted, and the hat has different numbering, for the same joystick name. So we'd need two config files for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:58:41 -0700 Andy Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many/most of the joysticks don't work for windows users. They download the program, try it, and then complain when the view is constantly spinning around. One presumes the axis mappings are simply different between the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Erik Hofman
Melchior FRANZ wrote: So we'd need two config files for *every* joystick (with more than two axes)? That's IMHO not acceptable. I'd rather prefer a mechanism that makes one and the same config file work for both systems then. After endless times of no discussion and no solutions I hacked

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Andy Ross
Erik Hofman wrote: After endless times of no discussion and no solutions I hacked something together that works for every situation. Not acceptable won't do in this case unless I see something show up that is elegant and that works in every situation. Agreed. We need to get something

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Richard Bytheway
axes as defined in the file. Richard -Original Message- From: Erik Hofman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 April 2004 3:21 pm To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 16:21: Melchior FRANZ wrote: So we'd need two config files for *every* joystick (with more than two axes)? That's IMHO not acceptable. Not acceptable won't do in this case unless I see something show up that is elegant and that works in every

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Dienstag, 27. April 2004 16:33, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Erik Hofman -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 16:21: Melchior FRANZ wrote: So we'd need two config files for *every* joystick (with more than two axes)? That's IMHO not acceptable. Not acceptable won't do in this case unless I see

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Erik Hofman
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Erik Hofman -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 16:21: Melchior FRANZ wrote: So we'd need two config files for *every* joystick (with more than two axes)? That's IMHO not acceptable. Not acceptable won't do in this case unless I see something show up that is elegant and that works

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 16:37: I bet you can come up with a clever solution where only the platform specific part are in the actual configuration file and everything else gets included from a shared file ... axis unix=2 windows=3 descRudder/desc binding

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 16:49: * Erik Hofman -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 16:37: I bet you can come up with a clever solution where only the platform specific part are in the actual configuration file and everything else gets included from a shared file ... axis

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Andy Ross
Melchior FRANZ wrote: Whereby unix would be an alias for n and the line could also be written as axis n=2 windows=3 This is syntactically cleaner, but the code changes required are severe. XML Attributes in property files are interpreted only by the SimGear property parser, they aren't

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Andy Ross -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 17:23: Melchior FRANZ wrote: axis n=2 windows=3 This is syntactically cleaner, but the code changes required are severe. XML Attributes in property files are interpreted only by the SimGear property parser, they aren't available in the resulting

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Erik Hofman
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Andy Ross -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 17:23: Melchior FRANZ wrote: axis n=2 windows=3 This is syntactically cleaner, but the code changes required are severe. XML Attributes in property files are interpreted only by the SimGear property parser, they aren't available in

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 17:50: Right now code other than SimGear's property I/O code can access the attributes. To get this working I need to access them in FlightGear, but every(?) attribute other than n= is disregarded... I still don't get it. In props_io.cxx:164ff, why

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Tuesday 27 April 2004 18:20: winval = atts.getValue(n_win);// or windows [...] if (winval != -1 current_os == windows) [...] ... assuming that a non existent attribute returns -1. It's a string or char* and does of course return 0. :-) m.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43, 1.44 input.hxx, 1.17, 1.18

2004-04-27 Thread Al West
to virtual axes as defined in the file. Richard -Original Message- From: Erik Hofman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 April 2004 3:21 pm To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs]CVS: FlightGear/src/Input input.cxx, 1.43

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main main.cxx, 1.151, 1.152 options.cxx, 1.52, 1.53

2004-03-31 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I should point out that the reason these were setup as cout was so that we wouldn't lose all output if someone compiled with the --without-logging option. Now that our default output is much less verbose, people are probably not compiling with this option so it's

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main main.cxx, 1.151, 1.152 options.cxx, 1.52, 1.53

2004-03-30 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I should point out that the reason these were setup as cout was so that we wouldn't lose all output if someone compiled with the --without-logging option. Now that our default output is much less verbose, people are probably not compiling with this option so it's probably not a big deal ...

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Main main.cxx, 1.151, 1.152 options.cxx, 1.52, 1.53

2004-03-30 Thread Frederic BOUVIER
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I should point out that the reason these were setup as cout was so that we wouldn't lose all output if someone compiled with the --without-logging option. Now that our default output is much less verbose, people are probably not compiling with this option so it's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases FlightGear-0.9.4.tar.gz, NONE,

2004-03-27 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson wrote: The other thing to consider is everyone seems to have one more fix they'd like to get in. If we waited for everyone to be happy, we literally would never be able to have a release. At some point we have to draw the line and ship. The 0.9.4 release is simply the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases FlightGear-0.9.4.tar.gz, NONE,

2004-03-27 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: Curtis L. Olson wrote: The other thing to consider is everyone seems to have one more fix they'd like to get in. If we waited for everyone to be happy, we literally would never be able to have a release. At some point we have to draw the line and ship. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releases FlightGear-0.9.4.tar.gz, NONE,

2004-03-27 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: David Megginson said: I would support a 4-week code freeze before 1.0, however, and I do think it's just about time for a 1.0. We're close, maybe next release, but I think we need to get the subsystem/initialization thing straightened out first. Fred's fix for the tilemanager

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: releasesFlightGear-0.9.4.tar.gz, NONE,

2004-03-27 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Jim Wilson wrote: I would support a 4-week code freeze before 1.0, however, and I do think it's just about time for a 1.0. We're close, maybe next release, but I think we need to get the subsystem/initialization thing straightened out first. Fred's fix for the tilemanager last week

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/bo105/Models README, NONE,

2004-03-26 Thread Martin Spott
Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/bo105/Models In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv12689/Models Modified Files: bo105.ac bo105.xml Added Files: README bo105-1.rgb bo105.nas Removed Files: shadow.rgb Log Message: Melchior FRANZ: - add

[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/bo105/Models README, NONE,

2004-03-26 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Martin Spott -- Friday 26 March 2004 15:37: Ha, there is a funny effect: Did you ever fly a loop which shadowing enabled ? When I do this, I see the shadow flipping through the sky - similar to a meteorite :-) Whoops ... I'll look into it, but I don't promise a solution. (You aren't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/bo105/Models README, NONE,

2004-03-26 Thread Josh Babcock
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Martin Spott -- Friday 26 March 2004 15:37: Ha, there is a funny effect: Did you ever fly a loop which shadowing enabled ? When I do this, I see the shadow flipping through the sky - similar to a meteorite :-) Whoops ... I'll look into it, but I don't promise a

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