ould construct
box(a) p box(0) p(inf) glue p box(0) p(inf) glue p box(0) p(inf) glue p box(b)
with possible line breaks at the p.
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;t come from the
> list-block.
>
> > I assume now it means the further that is start-indent is to be taken from
> > the closest ancestor fo:list-block. Therefore my initial concern that we
> > have a recursive case here is probably not an issue.
>
> As I wrote above, I believe it's inherited(start-indent), i.e. comes
> from the parent fo:list-item, not the list-block. This is important
> because it allows you to indent individual list-items differently in the
> same list-block.
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accept any namespace, but you get them
in a well defined subtree. Does that help? Maybe some element may
declare a desired behaviour for its whole subtree?
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he different break scenarios (may be the cases 1. to 8.
> above are not complete or can be simplified)
> b) Document the relevant Knuth sequences applying to each identified break
> scenario
> Once we have that converting it into code should be fairly straightforward.
I will look at it.
t;
> xmlgraphics/fop/branches/Temp_API_Finalization/examples/embedding/java/embedding/ExampleFO2PDF.java
I did this to get a feel for the API. Does this reflect the intention?
Would it not be nicer to have a constructor that takes the output
stream as an argument?
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 10:22:39PM +0100, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
>
> On 22.02.2006 21:55:36 Simon Pepping wrote:
> > Would it not be nicer to have a constructor that takes the output
> > stream as an argument?
>
> If this is preferred, no objections. However, not all
use
I think this calls for an addition to the intermediate format, I have
committed my changes anyway.
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e-space-collapse="true"? I would think so.
It is not terribly important. Maybe we should let it rest, following
the spec.
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;>+1 I like the suggestion.
> >
> >+1 from me too.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Andreas
>
> I don't know if it's 'needed', but here's mine...
>
> +1
Same thoughts and vote from me: +1
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simply arbitrary units that come
with a font, and so are exes. Indeed, Knuth's Computer Modern fonts
contain a quantity called quad width.
For en space he uses .5 em.
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, since an fo:title can have %inline;
> children...
>
> Right now, if one wants to activate linefeed-preservation in an
> fo:title, this would have to be done like so:
>
>
>
>
> ...
Hmm, I prefer to think of fo:title as described under
fo:bookmark-title. I like your solution.
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va that I can
> use. Thanks.
>
> [1] http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UCD.html#Alphabetic
Did you have a look at the ICU software: http://icu.sourceforge.net/?
Esp. this static constant:
http://icu.sourceforge.net/apiref/icu4j/com/ibm/icu/lang/UProperty.html#ALPHABETIC,
looks promising.
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ry? Most such users may
already have it installed.
The license seems to allow us to repackage it, and we could package a
cutdown version that would satisfy FOP's needs. There are a few huge
resource files in impl/data.
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 10:03:29PM +0100, Simon Pepping wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 10:22:39PM +0100, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> >
> > On 22.02.2006 21:55:36 Simon Pepping wrote:
> > > Would it not be nicer to have a constructor that takes the output
> > > s
gt; Modified:
>
> xmlgraphics/fop/branches/Temp_API_Finalization/examples/embedding/java/embedding/MultipleFO2PDF.java
>
> xmlgraphics/fop/branches/Temp_API_Finalization/src/java/org/apache/fop/apps/Fop.java
>
> xmlgraphics/fop/branches/Temp_API_Finalization/src
d the getDefaultHandler() method IMO.
Neither do I, but I do want to catch the exception, either here or in
the listen method, where it is caught together with all exceptions. If
I do not catch it, the listening will stop, which I do not want.
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, provided they throw an exception if FOUserAgent is
null. I left the deprecated constructors of FOUserAgent in the code
because I wanted this change. That all said, I am not against
deprecation of all Fop constructors either. Both ways are fine with
me. That gives a neutral vote from me on this point.
0 from me.
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;
> The applicable test in our test suite:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xmlgraphics/fop/trunk/test/layoutengine/standard-testcases/block_text-indent.xml
>
> Does anyone see this differently? If not, I'm going to change the
> expectation and the implementation.
>
> Jeremias Maerki
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> > New Revision: 389563
> >
> > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=389563&view=rev
> > Log:
> > Adjust documentation to changes in outer API (FopFactory etc.).
>
>
>
> Jeremias Maerki
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PDF/X or
PDF/A.' and 'FOP does not currently support several desirable PDF
features: XMP metadata'. Should this be updated?
3. Section 'XML (Area Tree XML)': Mention the intermediate format?
The embedding page is a thorough piece of documentation.
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et me know what you think of it.
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and word spacing. In fact it would
even be possible to have a single box for a word, its letter spacing
and its following word space (apart from hyphenation).
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On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 11:26:38PM +0800, Manuel Mall wrote:
> On Tuesday 04 April 2006 03:38, Simon Pepping wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
>
>
> Simon,
>
> very interesting approach to the problem. You obviously gave this quite
> a significant amount of thought.
>
the
> >release.
> >
> >WDYT?
>
> Yes I agree completely
>
> +1
Same from me.
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g as it is, if this
> offers chance to do things right.
I agree that there is no a priori reason for the InlineLMs and
BlockLevelLMs to expose the same interface.
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. I am working on it.
Note that I am changing web domain from nl to eu.
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On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:38:13PM +0200, Simon Pepping wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Some time ago Manuel Mall pointed out a number of problems with
> linebreaking in FOP. Specifically, there are some h
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 08:20:04PM +0200, Simon Pepping wrote:
> Hello,
>
> During the past weeks I added a test facility. This allows one to feed
> test texts in an XHTML-like document. It is now available on my web
> site, http://www.leverkruid.eu/GKPLinebreaking/index.html. Sinc
a good
> example but I hope it illustrates what I am trying to achieve.
I see what you are trying to achieve. Wouldn't users find this
overdone, and wonder why they cannot do with a single hint for all
renderers? Or would a single hint just not work?
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nfiguration file per printing run, recently a similar
possibility was put forward for the user preferences for
printer-specific image handling and other options. In a recent
fop-user post I suggested the idea of hyphenation exceptions in a
configuration file.
Just my two cents.
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On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 08:55:24AM +0100, Chris Bowditch wrote:
> Simon Pepping wrote:
>
> >So definitely a configuration external to the FO file. And something
> >like the Java Printing System to know the installed printer
> >configuration and provide the user with
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 03:50:01PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Simon Pepping wrote:
> >
> However, I now feel the need to comment from a developers point of view,
> i.e. a developer who uses fop in high volume backend business processes.
>
> If I would have t
stances. This will
> > restore the previous behaviour and maintain backwards compatibility with
> > the existing ElementMapping implementations.
> > 2. Change ElementMapping's constructor to accept the namespace URI as a
> > parameter and call initialize() right after that. D
tes I find the following tools:
ttf2tfm, ttf2pk, ttf2afm, ttf2pfb, ttf2pt1. And an article 'Using
TrueType fonts with teTEX and dvips'. All on the TeXLive7 cdrom (a few
years old now); I suppose the most recent TeXLive distribution has the
same or similar tools.
ttf2tfm does the metrics conversion.
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On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 04:33:31AM -0700, Sam Ruby wrote:
> codegen:
> [echo] Resetting codegen directory
> [copy] Copying 37 files to
> /x1/gump/public/workspace/xml-fop-maintenance/build/src/codegen
> [echo] Generating the java files from xml resources
> [style] Warning: the t
I have published an update at
http://www.leverkruid.eu/GKPLinebreaking/index.html. Bells and
whistles have been implemented. Text alignment has been implemented. I
am working on text-align-last.
Regards, Simon
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 09:38:13PM +0200, Simon Pepping wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
code and summers of less code. That diminishes my
ability to provide assistance.
What kind of work and responsibilities would assistance include? What
would be the time constraints, that is, how fast needs a review be
done or a question be answered? And in which period is the work done?
Simo
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 10:19:27AM +0200, Vincent Hennebert wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> Simon Pepping a écrit :
> As far as I'm concerned, I'm planning to put my thoughts about the
> project on a dedicated Wiki page. I think that just providing high-level
> comments on th
s there in XSL-FO a way of determining if the document is single-
> or double-sided?
At best one can check if there are separate page masters in use for
odd and even pages.
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annot create an OpenDocument
without a rendering.
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nvert RTF to ODT/OpenDocument.
>
> BTW, there's already some work started on an Apache Forrest
> OpenDocument input plugin in the Forrest 'whiteboard' section:
>
> forrest/trunk/whiteboard/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.input.odt/
>
> In addition, Apache Leny
that road (Obviously, it's a project decision). I'm also fine just
> reviewing and applying your patches as quickly as possible. Normal
> committership would also not be far away I guess if we're happy with
> what you contribute over time.
Having access to a repository makes
hm, which contains the part of the algorithm
> > which is common to page- and line-breaking. It is splitted in parts
> > which follow pretty closely those described in "Digital Typography". It
> > relies on the following skeleton:{{{
>
>
> Jeremias Maerki
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No, I guess that is all. I was under the impression that there was an
explanation of the algorithm, but apparently I was wrong.
Simon
> Vincent
>
>
> Simon Pepping a écrit :
> >Vincent,
> >
> >Are you aware that Luca has documented his implementation o
ties have been bound to the LM and the
subtree of the FO has been processed. Maybe it is best to just copy
the property lists of the marker subtree. The copies will be garbage
collected in the normal way.
I have no time to try this solution myself.
Simon
>
> Later,
>
> Andreas
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On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 07:36:34PM +0200, Andreas L Delmelle wrote:
> On Jun 12, 2006, at 15:29, Simon Pepping wrote:
>
> >There may be problems with the property lists of the Marker children,
> >which are currently not cloned, but referred to in descPlists. The
> >proper
OP not-implemented exception.
So maybe we need a feature freeze and bug fixing period?
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olutions:
increase the tolerance, or force a solution. I think FOP already has a
force parameter for this purpose.
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bit too much
> unrelated, I'm afraid)
I would hope that a best-fit algorithm can be inserted.
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Hello,
I have published another update at
http://www.leverkruid.eu/GKPLinebreaking/index.html. With this update
I consider my essay and test implementation complete.
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> Hello,
>
> Some time ago Manuel Mall po
> face-to-face. Will also be a lot cheaper than ApacheCon. :-)
It will be a pleasure to meet you and perhaps Andreas here in person.
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rstand, yet. That said, the removeNode method is
> called, among other places, in filterActiveNodes. This is only a guess,
> but if there is a place where the removeNode's "precondition" isn't
> respected, that might be here.
I could not reproduce the problem either. Whe
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 11:24:23PM +0200, J.Pietschmann wrote:
> Jeremias Maerki wrote:
>
> +1 for PCL
> +0 for AFP (I didn't have time for even a quick glance at it).
+0 for PCL and AFP (I have not looked at either).
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scover which of their elements FOP does not
recognize. Probably the content of some elements can be constrained
further. Please, do so if you see such an element. If this schema is a
good idea, I will document it on the configuration page of the web
site.
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rovement. The current structure of using a linked
> list for each line, is just the best I could come up with at the time.
In my own implementation I use Java Collections, a list of lists.
Once the active nodes have been separated by line number, there is no
reason to preserve any remaining order.
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optional. xml-handler does not occur. What does
your config file contain?
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arently. On my system it validates nicely. I use xerces, or I use
Eclipse Web Tools Platform. Would it help if you change the path in
the noNamespaceSchemaLocation attribute to a URI?
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p in page-
> sequences' performance hint is complete and utter bogus...?
>
> Sorry to disappoint you all.
IMHO we create a number of circular references in our trees. I have
always feared that we do not clean them up well enough. Are there
tools to investigate this?
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large. I make no promises that I
will finish the task. Until now I have even hesitated to start the
task. I do this in my spare time. I do not want to overcommit myself.
That means that Vincent should not wait for me, nor should any one
else.
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>
> Aren't DejaVu fonts only TrueType fonts?
Have a look at the STIX fonts,
http://www.stixfonts.org/swdev_geninfo.html. I believe they will
distribute OpenType fonts with Type1 outlines. Their pace of
development is quite slow, but now they are nearing completion of the
project.
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eful concrete step.
>
> WDYT?
This sounds very useful to me.
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http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=429168&view=rev
> >Log:
> >Rework of the marker/retrieve-marker implementation to cater for
> >correct evaluation of percentages and relative font-sizes, as well
> >as more correct white-space handling.
>
>
>
> OK, got it wrapped up.
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sult. I would
> >consider the goals of the GSoC project met. It might be good to add some
> >best-fit-specific comments, though.
I am just reading through your side floats page. It is impressive. It
is indeed a good result for the GSoC project. It was clear from the
start that this would be a challenge of unknown severity.
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Hi,
Today I found an announcement of a presentation the topic of which
includes FOP: 'Publishing on the fly: Client-side rendering using
Saxon and FOP', at the upcoming XML2006 conference, see
http://2006.xmlconference.org/programme/presentations/96.html.
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anged by VincentHennebert:
> >http://wiki.apache.org/xmlgraphics-fop/GoogleSummerOfCode2006/FloatsImplementationProgress/ImplementingSideFloats
> >
> >The comment on the change is:
> >Difficulties around side-floats
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> >http://wiki.apache.org/xmlgraphics-fop/GoogleSummerOfCode2006/FloatsImplementationProgress/ImplementingSideFloats
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h the page difference produces a linear
relation. This may be too weak, and a squared or steeper relation may
be preferable.
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ot that simple and might involve some backtracking.
Yes, there is a problem there. The solution could be as follows: When
the legal pagebreak is in a paragraph, it is also the considered legal
linebreak. It is tested whether this linebreak could end the last line
of the page.
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On Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 07:04:56PM +0200, Vincent Hennebert wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> 2006/8/17, Simon Pepping:
> >Rule 7a is logically correct, but I would say that the rule simply
> >states that a start float should not stick out at the end side, even
> >if it is not the
fore-floats?
> This may be useful for books with many many footnotes. But for other
> books this can look weird. WDYT? Another config parameter?
I guess you can do that. Most people would not consider that to be a
floats page, but a page with text which happens to have only
footnotes. In terms of FO's regions, it is indeed a floats page.
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could be documented on the configuration web page. There could
also be more info about debugging a configuration file, and about
debugging the font setup.
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t; no line of javadoc, no comment, much cleanup to do, etc. But right now
> > > I'm unable to do anything but going to bed. Perhaps more in a few
> > > hours...
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Vincent
> > >
>
>
>
> Jeremias Maerki
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't be too bad I hope...!).
>
> Hope to see you guys in October!
>
> Regards,
> Arjé
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nt. You proceed until you
have all active nodes that end line N, and then determine the best of
them. But it is even better to continue to the end of the paragraph,
taking the modified line width into account. That gives you the best
total-fit for the whole paragraph. In that total-fit, the layout for
the first N lines may be suboptimal, but then it is offset by a better
result for the remaining lines.
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content. But
maybe it would be better to add a getTotalWidth method to the
Paragraph.
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yout introduces an interaction between
the two.
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FObj
>
> 3) Changed propertyMakerTable to a static final, and
>altered FOPropertyMapping, to be 100% certain that
>the static arrays are only structurally modified
>once
I prefer a separate commit per issue.
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gt; mistakes. The logos may seem a bit dark on screen, but they look fine in
> print.
>
> http://jeremias-maerki.ch/download/fop/fop-poster.pdf
>
> BTW, the poster is done entirely with FOP and Batik. :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Jeremias Maerki
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FOP website.
In the repository, definitely yes. Is a poster on the web useful? Is
it not a specialized format for hanging on the wall or a board in
printed form?
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I
understand correctly, he is also working on means to make such a
choice available.
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good solution but apparently, we need to change
> something at some point. Any ideas, thoughts?
>
> Jeremias Maerki
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On Tue, Sep 12, 2006 at 09:37:20PM +0200, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
>
> On 12.09.2006 21:13:35 Simon Pepping wrote:
> > Re extensibility: A XML file is validated according to the DTD or
> > schema that it declares (Relax-NG is an exception). The user can put a
> > DTD or sch
s. And here you are again. :)
> I'll do my best not to break anything, and also to include automated
> tests for my changes.
Why don't you start a branch? That gives you more room for
experimenting.
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loop were iterating over line breaks, we wouldn't have to do
> this. But perhaps we would have to for pagebreaks then? Which would be
> equivalent, but I can't figure out yet.
I have not thought about the problem in this way. It seems unnatural
to me and also rather equivalent.
I will update the wiki page as soon as I can reach it again.
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Cocoon GetTogether: you're
> >> welcome to sign up at http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/GT2006Hackaton.
> >>
> >> I have added "creating a Cocoon serializer for the current FOP
> >> release" as a hacking idea. Not sure if I'll have much time to
gt; for EuroMath2. Concerning the "partial FO rendering possibility": It
> might be possible to come up with a way to render, say, only a single
> fo:block-container with relatively little effort. This might have the
> possibly interesting side-effect that we could write a plug-in for Batik
> to render FO content within an SVG. :-)
>
> Jeremias Maerki
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t would be great if we could have
> UML sequence diagram for those LM invocations/dependencies during some
> general table processing.
No UML diagrams for FOP available. Would be nice though.
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rs are able to help you.
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o correct
the problem:
1. Relayout the paragraph with the page number citation, when the
citation has been resolved.
2. Write the resolved references to an auxiliary file, which on the
next run could be loaded as hints for the values to be expected.
Neither is a small fix. But if you are willing to work on it,
especially 1), that would be cool.
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tain to post back here.
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ot updated, so that the wrong ipd was calculated.
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g inlines and blocks :-P
Block content in inline content is the natural organization of
displayed formulas and tables. Demanding that FO generating
stylesheets separate them is moving the burden back to them. I am not
in favour of that.
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ortunately,
the latter feeling prevailed. I am glad it is useful.
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quence of inline blocks. Therefore they need not
return after a forced break, but it does not hurt if they do.
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various possibilities without having to modify the
code.
Regards, Simon
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On Wed, Dec 06, 2006 at 12:19:01PM +0100, Luca Furini wrote:
> Simon Pepping wrote:
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> >Would this be a good moment to make these features of the breaking
> >algorithm user configurable, like they are in TeX? This allows people
> >to play with the various possibilities
er hyphens).
> When we hyphenate words it's as if we were adding soft hyphens at some
> places in the input text --these wouldn't be the same hyphens.
I agree with both points. And a soft hyphen inserted by the user is
equivalent to a legal linebreak created by the hyphenation process.
Simon
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uld be happy if we move forward
with it? If so, then the next thing to do is the xml-fop-0.93 release.
Simon
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ing
> out of unused properties. It's not that big a deal, since we can
> reactivate them later. FTM, all it will do is reduce memory usage in
> the FOTree, which benefits users that need to process huge FO documents.
Good idea.
Simon
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ve to define what needs to be absolutely done
> before releasing. I'm personally in favor of releasing as is because we
> can't wait more. It would be great to release before Christmas but
> that'll be tight IMO...
I will be available for help.
Simon
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your changes until the branch has been created?
Please, let me know if you have different ideas.
Regards, Simon
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