Re: FOP source code ambigous

2001-05-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
in other words I didn't find a file containing : package org.apache.fop.fo.properties I don't know the exact details, but the source code for org.apache.fop.fo.properties is generated from XML and (I think) XSL files during the build. You can find the exact mechanism by studying the

Re: Conversion RTF to FO

2001-05-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I 'd like to convert a .RTF file to .FO file. Is there a program doing it ? There are a few programs called rtf2xml on the web (see http://www.google.com/search?q=rtf2xml), but I didn't test any of them yet. It might be your first step: convert RTF to XML, then use XSL to generate XSL:FO.

RTF backend status (was: where is fop.jar?)

2001-06-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
What happened to the rtf backend which Mr Bertarnd submitted? Actually I didn't submit the RTF backend yet, only made it available as a hacked version of fop on our own CVS server (:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/cvsroot, password is anoncvs, module name is xml-fop, cvsweb at

(jfor) how to define XSL-FO extensions a la fox:outline

2001-08-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
In the jfor project (XSL-FO to RTF converter) we'd like to define extensions to XSL-FO for RTF-specific constructs (RTF styles in this case). Could someone from the FOP team check that the proposal below is ok with FOP? Ideally, our jfor: extensions should be completely ignored by FOP, while

Re: Performance and java 1.1

2001-09-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
So the question is: can we drop java 1.1 support and use better data structures? +1 for this: -even switching to a 1.2 JVM (+hotspot) without code changes often brings big performance improvements compared to 1.1, so IMHO forcing users to 1.2 is a good thing for FOP in general -the

Re: Will there be a RTF renderer?

2001-09-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 24 September 2001 12:18, Beer, Christian wrote: Will there be a RTF renderer in the near future? We (my company, I'm not speaking for the FOP team) have been working on an RTF renderer earlier this year, and later scrapped it for a standalone implementation known as jfor that is

Re: [vote] Merging JFor with FOP (jfor speed/presentation)

2001-10-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 18 October 2001 23:06, Art Welch wrote: snip My concerns are that if jfor excels at speed at the expense of presentation. 1. Are jfor users going to be happy with jfor integrated with FOP which seems to favor presentation over speed? 2. Would FOP users be happy with

Re: Merging jfor into FOP - what's the plan?

2001-11-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 23 November 2001 20:13, Art Welch wrote: . . . Would it be possible to have one RTFRenderer and then have an option use either the full FOP layout or bypass the FOP layout for quick RTF?. . . I don't know about using the full FOP layout - last time I tried (beginning of this year)

Re: Merging jfor into FOP - what's the plan?

2001-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Keiron, If there is not going to be a FOP release in the next few weeks, I agree that a minimal integration does not make sense. Currently the jfor conversion is driven directly from SAX events, so the first thing that comes to mind is driving it from the FO tree. You're right that,

Re: Merging jfor into FOP - what's the plan?

2001-11-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Arved, What are your recommendations for someone to come up to speed with RTF? I'd recommend to stay away from it unless you really have to ;-) Seriously, to someone accustomed to clear and well-defined specs, RTF is somewhat messy, what it is really is a documented internal format, not a

Re: Servlet called twice

2001-10-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 09 October 2001 10:52, Kuehnberger wrote: my servlet is still called twice when the output is pdf, Are you using Internet Explorer as a client? If yes, this is a known problem: IE often does additional requests for non-HTML files. AFAIK this is hard, if not impossible, to solve on

Re: Fop speed improvements

2001-10-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 11 October 2001 20:05, Scott Moore wrote: I generated a 100 page PDF in about 20 seconds Would you mind sharing the XSL-FO of this document? We are currently studying how far optimizing FO code (just on one example document that we know is less than optimal) makes a difference, and

Re: Making a native win32 binary out of FOP

2001-10-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 10 October 2001 10:19, Thomas Kæregaard wrote: I would like to distribute FOP with my application, but I don't want to force people to install 5,4 MB worth of JRE. Most likely you *will* have to distribute the JRE (unless you find a compatible java-to-exe compiler?). You might

Re: [ANN] XSLfast: Authoring tool for XSL-FO

2001-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 12 October 2001 23:14, Stephan Albers wrote: after a long development period, we have finaly released the very first version of XSLfast for public review and test. Interesting, thanks for the info! How is XSLfast licensed? Open Source? Commercial? -- -- Bertrand Delacrétaz,

Re: Merging jfor into FOP - what's the plan?

2001-11-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 29 November 2001 12:44, Keiron Liddle wrote: So are things like static areas, markers, page numbers etc. possible with rtf or are these type of things simply not possible. Keiron, as far as I know, RTF does support the following (but jfor currently not for most of these things) -

Re: Maintanance release (was: FOP conformance)

2001-12-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 03 December 2001 12:19, Christian Geisert wrote: What about jfor ? I think it would be a good idea to add it with user-level integration as proposed by Betrand. Depends on schedule - I'm very busy for the next two weeks, it would be hard for me to find time to do the code moving

Re: whats FOP

2001-12-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 07 December 2001 12:55, Suhail Rashid wrote: What does FOP stand for ; Formatting Objects Processor - Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FOP performance on Win98/JRE 1.3.1

2001-12-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 12 December 2001 12:24, Lukas Pietsch wrote: What's still slow is the preceding docbook-to-.fo conversion. One thing I've seen is document referring to a DTD using an http:// URL. This is ok, but usually the parser will go out to the Internet to fetch the DTD, which can slow

Re: FOP performance on Win98/JRE 1.3.1

2001-12-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 12 December 2001 14:42, Cyril Rognon wrote: before making any modification to your docbook stylesheet, I suggest you simply use some XML parser feature to deactivate the DTD validation and DTD loading. Yes, of course to actually solve the problem (assuming DTD fetching *is* the

Re: Basic aspects (big fat list vs. live test documents)

2001-12-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 13 December 2001 15:35, Matthias Fischer wrote: . . . My whish to Santa Clause this year: A big fat list containing all major graphic formats and the FO/FOP-related aspects that concern them. . . . I'm skeptical: to me big fat list means big maintenance work and usually

Re: Basic aspects (big fat list vs. live test documents)

2001-12-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 14 December 2001 10:05, Matthias Fischer wrote: However, you won't escape big maintenance so easily: Right - maintaining such a test suite is not light work. The advantage over pure documentation, however, is that both users and developers directly benefit from having strong test

Re: Basic aspects (big fat list vs. live test documents)

2001-12-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 17 December 2001 09:07, Matthias Fischer wrote: What are _your_ plans with regard to the material offered by W3C/Carmelo? As mentioned by Keiron (see http://xml.apache.org/fop/testing.html), the current FOP tests are based on automatically comparing the ouput of two FOP revisions.

Re: Basic aspects (big fat list vs. live test documents)

2001-12-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 18 December 2001 09:59, Matthias Fischer wrote: Right now, I have a pice of code I would contribute. It would be useful, if there were an alternative e-mail address to that of the list, to collect the submitted code segments. ok, right now we don't have an alternative address

Re: Properties documentation

2001-12-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Saturday 29 December 2001 02:57, Peter B. West wrote: . . .let me know if there is some easy way to get full conformance with the Apache XML norm, or if there are severe problems viewing these pages with modern browsers. Hi Peter, FYI, with Konqueror (modern yes, 100% finished maybe not),

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project (jfor integration)

2002-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
(cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - fyi) On Friday 25 January 2002 00:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . I see some notes about the inclusion of jfor (RTF output) into the FOP project. I think that would be really cool, and speaks very well of the effort put in thus far. Anyone care to comment on

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project (testing)

2002-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 25 January 2002 00:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . I am involved with the approval process for bringing new technology into our company. We have several development groups who have seen the FOP engine and would like to include it their applications. . . . One of our primary

refocusing fop-dev and fop-user?

2002-01-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I see a lot of posts going to fop-dev that really belong to the fop-user mailing list. Should we do something about it (I'd like to)? If yes how best to do it - polite please ask there messages, having the list moderated for a while, ? - Bertrand

Re: refocusing fop-dev and fop-user?

2002-01-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 25 January 2002 10:26, Jens von Pilgrim wrote: . . . On http://xml.apache.org/mail.html is only the fop-dev listed - is there also a user list? This is probably the cause - AFAIK fop-user is alive and kicking, just not listed in the proper places. Can anyone clarify the situation

Re: AW: keep-with-next?

2002-01-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
(by the way your message was crossposted to fop-user, please avoid this as it makes it very hard to follow discussions) On Wednesday 30 January 2002 20:21, David Wood wrote: I am a Java coder and know my way around the standard. I volunteer to try to fix this, if someone who is more familiar

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 05 February 2002 23:25, Peter B. West wrote: . . . I think that most people need some encouragement to take the plunge in murky waters. I agree, make sense with the various offers for help that came up in the last few weeks. - Bertrand

Re: Seeking Comments on Status of Project

2002-02-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 07 February 2002 03:57, Arved Sandstrom wrote: . . . If you do some code and want to see it added to the main or maintenance branches, then the onus is on one or more committers to explain why it's a bad idea, but there must be a good reason. . . . To make sure there is no

Re: StructureEvents concept

2002-02-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 07 February 2002 12:15, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . Do we need to have this completely separate method of reading the fo tree (layout managers is the other) when both do some similar things. I'm not sure, I just can't picture how it should work at the moment. Right - let me try to

Re: StructureEvents concept

2002-02-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 08 February 2002 01:58, Peter B. West wrote: Bernard, (That's Bertrand by the way ;-) What sort of structure does rtf exhibit? Is it a page-based structure, or is it divided, like xslfo, into page definitions and flows? This is a critical difference as far as the design goes.

Re: XML Parsing [2] (RTF document header)

2002-02-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 11 February 2002 10:19, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . At the end of a page sequence we know that all pages in the page sequence can be rendered without being effected by any further XML. Note that this won't be the case with RTF: AFAIK an RTF document has to contain a document header

Re: Tool to create XSL:FO without stylesheet from Java?

2002-02-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 15 February 2002 15:47, Roland wrote: does anyone have a good tool to create an XSL:FO file without the use of a stylesheet? You might want to look at jdom (www.jdom.org), a very nice DOM manipulation library for java. Saxon (http://users.iclway.co.uk/mhkay/saxon) is also a good

Re: Integrating Tree into FO tree handling

2002-02-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sunday 17 February 2002 06:07, Peter B. West wrote: . . . FOTree maintains the property stacks with the initial value, current value and history of the properties being defined on elements of the FO Tree. It also implements Runnable, and its run() method is the source of the FoTreeBuilder

Re: remove html-docs dir?

2002-02-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 18 February 2002 10:54, Keiron Liddle wrote: Can I remove everything under docs/html-docs. +1 because it will force the builds to have up to date information -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 16:58, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . - FOP uses iText as a PDF generation library - . . . Maybe the following scenario could help making FOP

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:00, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . 1. FopParser parses and validates the input XSL-FO document Not needed if using Cocoon as a pipeline. . . . Right, but it's so easy that we might as well keep it for easier testing. . . . What I would like to see, is that FOP

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:19, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . Firstly the Area Tree is unavoidable. We must have a place to do the layout and to store the page information. . . . Unavoidable for Layout rendering, isn't it? I thought structure-based rendering wouldn't need the area tree. . . .

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:27, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . Hmmm... AFAIK FO is about layout, not semantical structure. Bold is just Bold, and not emphasis or strong. Maybe I don't get the point. Could you elaborate more please? . . . The term structure renderer (as you could find by

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:27, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . I think that a SAXrenderer could be the solution. SAX is based on calling a method when a tag begin-content-end is reached. It can be used to communicate the Area Tree to the renderer in a clean way, whith a standard interface.

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Peter, Aside from my low opinion of SAX for process coupling, there should be no need for communication back from the renderer. . . . cool - I thought the Area Tree code needed to know about font metrics and the like, but if this communication is one-way all the better. Regarding SAX

Re: Area tree - renderer (pr.fo for structure renderers)

2002-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Saturday 16 March 2002 14:52, Peter B. West wrote: . . . The last stage of the FOP process translates one page description (the area tree) into another (the input to the target renderer.) ok So why would anyone want to interpose another translation step into this tightly coupled

Re: Area tree - renderer (pr.fo for structure renderers)

2002-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 18 March 2002 13:37, Peter B. West wrote: . . . Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: In conclusion, I think an interface based on XML documents (possibly this pr.fo discussed above) is the best choice to use between the FOP property resolution stage and the structure renderers like RTF

Re: Area tree - renderer (pr.fo for structure renderers)

2002-03-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Peter, On Monday 18 March 2002 22:06, Peter B. West wrote: . . . There's another gotcha - markers. The properties in markers are resolved relative to the retrieve-marker invocation point. . . . Thanks - I'll keep this in mind when I get to play with this stuff.. -Bertrand

Re: [Vote] New committers: Peter West, Joerg Pietschmann?

2002-04-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 11 April 2002 12:16, you wrote: I propose that we offer Peter West and Joerg Pietschmann to become committers. +1 for both! (Although officially a committer I have done nothing concrete yet, so I hope my vote counts ;-) -Bertrand

Re: Lest we forget

2002-04-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
This probably helps: http://www.anzacday.org.au/ -Bertrand On Friday 26 April 2002 00:38, Martin Stricker wrote: Peter B. West wrote: Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn. At the going down of the sun, and in the morning, We shall remember them. Lest we forget. Anzac Day

Re: Lest we forget (please use REPLY!)

2002-04-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 26 April 2002 08:09, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: This probably helps: http://www.anzacday.org.au/ sorry for the noise - I didn't see that the question had long been answered. PLEASE everybody use reply-to when replying to mailing lists messages. With the right mail client, it allows

Re: properties

2002-05-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 01 May 2002 18:19, Peter B. West wrote: Does the near-silence on this one signify consent? I don't know enough about this to give meaningful advice, so in my case yes, silence means consent. - Bertrand - To

Re: Structure Handlers - RTF Renderer

2002-05-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Keiron, . . . We should be able to set common objects like the logging and config on the structure handler itself. But the context idea could be useful for other objects that it may need to access. . . . ok, It wasn't clear for me either what would go into the context object, but it is

Re: Structure Handlers - RTF Renderer

2002-05-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Peter, Sorry for taking so long, week's been hectic around here. . . . I think you will still have attribute resolution problems. Remember that some attributes are only going to be resolved during the layout. I understand that some attributes cannot be resolved at the parsing stage,

Re: Fop and JDK1.2

2002-06-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 10 June 2002 17:06, Christian Geisert wrote: . . . 1) Declare that Fop needs JDK1.3 Could cause confusion with Cocoon users - Cocoon requires JDK1.2. 2) Remove truetype font support from AWT viewer +0 3) Compile Fop with JDK1.3 (which will be done anyway) and state in the

Re: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks to select implementations)

2002-06-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 08:22, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . 2. Try to build up the support for version dependant code for the next release. . . . Note that this is fairly easy to do using filtering in ant copy tasks and package names containing identifiers. For example: package A contains

Re: Fop and JDK1.2 (using ant copy tasks to select implementations)

2002-06-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tuesday 11 June 2002 14:43, Rhett Aultman wrote: . . . Rather than relying on Ant, I'd say a runtime detection of VM demographics (version, vendor, etc) would be in order, which could then allow a classloader to select the correct classes to instantiate. . . . I like your idea a lot -

Re: For once Good news and a thank you

2002-06-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Jochen, Would it be thinkable for you to share examples of your XSL-FO documents, as good examples of what works well in FOP? The question of which constructs to use to get good performance come often, so I think it would be a worthwile addition to the project. If needed, I can send you a

StringWarper - obfuscates XML files (was: For once Good news and a thank you)

2002-06-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 13 June 2002 14:51, Ralph LaChance wrote: ooo, I could use that ! You'll find it at http://codeconsult.ch/download/string-warper/string-warper-2002-06-13.zip There's a build.xml for ant, target test runs a self-test. Actually I should have said a piece of java hacking. You'll see

Re: Licence short or long

2002-06-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 26 June 2002 22:42, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . We have the short form but it seems like we have to switch (back?) to the long form. . . . I agree, Stefano's message [1] in the thread you mention makes it clear, . . .the ASF board, to avoid confusion, wants everybody to stick

Re: FO to RTF

2002-07-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 26 July 2002 20:05, J.U. Anderegg wrote: . . . RTF is the format of yesterday: better generate MicroSoft Office XML or Open Office XML. Depends on what you're aiming for. RTF is a terrible format, yes, but at least it allows documents to be opened by a fair number of wordprocessors.

Re: AW: FO to RTF

2002-07-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Peter, I tentatively suggested using XSLT to generate RTF a little while ago, but I had no idea whether it was feasible. The main question would seem to be: is RTF a text-only format or a binary format? Can anyone answer that one for us? AFAIK, everything in RTF can be expressed with

Re: FO to RTF (new jfor license)

2002-07-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hello, On Friday 26 July 2002 10:20, Mulet, Jordi wrote: . . . We have started to experiment with jfor (FO-RTF) and we don't know the best path to follow and if there are plans to integrate jfor in FOP as a RTF renderer. . . . Note that the jfor license was recently changed to allow it to

Re: New Developer Suggestion

2002-10-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Scott, On Wednesday 09 October 2002 16:20, Sauyet, Scott (OTS-HAR) wrote: Does anyone have a suggestion about something I could look at fixing / enhancing which is not mission-critical, but which might give me a chance to look at a fair bit of the code? The integration of jfor

Where to start for an RTF renderer (was: New Developer Suggestion)

2002-10-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Scott, On Wednesday 09 October 2002 17:15, Sauyet, Scott (OTS-HAR) wrote: . . . So is integrating other renderers something that the group would eventually like to do? . . . Yes, we've been talking about structure-based renderers (like RTF and MIF) vs. layout-based ones (PDF being the

Re: Where to start for an RTF renderer (was: New Developer Sugges tion)

2002-10-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Scott, . . .anyone who wants to do it will not offend me by going ahead and doing it without me. . . . We haven't had too many volunteers lately in this area, so this shouldn't be a problem. Just make sure to send your patches early, without waiting for your enhancements to be finished.

Re: Fopping 1-12 to Jan-Dec

2002-10-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 28 October 2002 11:18, Guy D'haenens wrote: WHAT'S THIS? I DIDN'T WRITE THIS MESSAGE! I think the from: address is such that it is being rewritten by some part of your mail system before delivery, it happened here too. If you look at

[FYI] jfor integration jumpstarted...

2002-10-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I have added jfor-0.7.1.jar and its license to the lib subdirectory, and created a first version of an RTFHandler that outputs (very rough) RTF documents using the existing jfor RTF library [1]. build.sh examples now generates RTF documents, assuming the following is set in

Re: handling patches (how about fop 2)

2002-11-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Saturday 02 November 2002 10:35, Victor Mote wrote: . . .I would also recommend that, in the above case, we actually put the code into two different projects. . . . +1, I like the idea. How about moving the new code (HEAD) to a separate (xml-fop2) CVS project to clarify things, and maybe

Re: handling patches

2002-11-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 01 November 2002 16:51, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . .Maybe the simplest is to move the old layout to the trunk, get that working and put the new layout in a branch. But it needs to be agreed upon. . . . It would be great if the layout engine could be factored out as a component with a

Re: Line ending chaos in our codebase

2002-11-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 04 November 2002 23:53, Peter B. West wrote: . . .I don't know the mechanism for handling line-end differences on entry into a CVS repository on a unix box. . . . AFAIK as long as the binary file flag is not set, CVS takes care of line endings by itself when a file is checked out

Re: Line ending chaos in our codebase

2002-11-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Monday 04 November 2002 17:02, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . .Does anyone have a good idea how to... 2. enforce correct line endings? Using the commitinfo administrative file, scripts can be configured in CVS to run when a file is committed, at which point you could detect the problem. I'm

Re: [RT] Proprietary extension to fo:external-graphic

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 09:55, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . fo:external-graphic src=url(http://localhost/mydynamicimage) xmlns:fop=http://xml.apache.org/fop; fop:disable-caching=true/ . . . There are some fox: extensions already IIRC (never used them though, but

Re: [RT] Proprietary extension to fo:external-graphic

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 12:31, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . What sort of jfor extensions are there, what do they do? We have jfor:style to define RTF styles (similar to CSS classes in concept) on the generated RTF elements. A concept that does not exist in XSL-FO as it doesn't make sense

Re: forrest is coming?

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 10:03, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . Lots more to do but I think it is a good start. Great job indeed! I've also been looking at Forrest more closely recently, already very usable and looks even more promising. Need to brighten up or change the logo. Maybe we should

Re: feature request queue

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 14:58, Oleg Tkachenko wrote: . . . Patch queue looks very good, and what about introducing one more queue for feature requests? . . . I think these can be identified by the severity=enhancement field of bugzilla issues, isn't that sufficient? Maybe this must be

Re: interface instead of implementation

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 16:18, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . would you mind using the interface instead of the implementation where possible? big +1. The only drawback is when you need to clone Collections, but the benefits far outweigh this I think. Maybe a minimal best practices or

FOP developer's style guide? (Was: interface instead of implementation)

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 06 November 2002 16:31, Rhett Aultman wrote: . . . Maybe we should seriously consider a FOP developer coding standard and start writing it down and putting it on the site. I'd offer to help with that. . . . How about using a wiki page (web page where everyone can very easily

Re: FOP developer's style guide? (Was: interface instead of implementation)

2002-11-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Wow, that's a quick vote... I have setup the page at http://codeconsult.ch/wiki/index.php/FopDevelopersStyleGuide with a most basic style guide skeleton. I have to run now, but feel free to work on it. Make sure you keep copies of what you write, I cannot guarantee backups on this server yet.

Re: [VOTE] Oleg for committer

2002-11-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 07 November 2002 09:23, Keiron Liddle wrote: Hi Developers, I suggest we have a vote for Oleg to be a committer. If Oleg accepts then he can get on with making FOP great! +1 - welcome! -- Bertrand Delacrétaz (codeconsult.ch, jfor.org) buzzwords: XML, java, XSLT, Cocoon, FOP,

Re: Another Bugzilla URL

2002-11-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 07 November 2002 10:09, Victor Mote wrote: . . . BTW, I haven't found any doc on the mozilla site to help in building these URLs. If anyone knows of some, I would be grateful. . . . I don't think there's any other way than studying what the bugzilla query form sends when you

Re: Getting breaks: revisited

2002-11-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 15 November 2002 09:30, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . .(does anyone even know what I am talking about) Not much on my side as the whole layout thing is still a mystery to me (because I have no experience in computing layouts and never took the time to study this part the code in detail).

Re: [OT] Apache committers meeting in german-speaking area

2002-11-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Friday 15 November 2002 10:02, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . .There was the idea to organize a meeting among Apache committers next year in the german-speaking part of the world . . . I might be interested too, depending on where and when. I am subscribed to party@. -Bertrand

Re: [VOTE] Victor as committer

2002-11-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 10:23, Keiron Liddle wrote: Plenty of eagerness shown already and I am sure he will do lots more for the project. Yes, agreed, here's my +1 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Style guide (update)

2002-11-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 15:15, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . .I've finally finished the first draft for our style guide... Thanks! I voted -1 on most TBD stuff, braces and spaces are not really important IMHO and I think it's good that the style guide stays as small as possible. -Bertrand

Re: Alt-Design status: XML handling

2002-11-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Great work Peter! It makes a lot of sense to use higher-level than SAX events, and thanks for explaining this so clearly. If you allow me a suggestion regarding the structure of the code: maybe using some table-driven stuff instead of the many if statements in FoSimplePageMaster would be more

Re: [VOTE] Victor as committer (votes from non-commiters)

2002-11-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 20 November 2002 20:11, Rhett Aultman wrote: I thought everyone was allowed to use a vote to express their opinion. If I've gravely mistaken this, then I'll stop voting. I *think* it is so, that everyone is welcome to express their opinion. But as a mostly inactive committer I'm

Re: Style guide (2nd update)

2002-11-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 21 November 2002 17:16, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . The MUST part is very small and establishes some hard rules. I'll try to do the final layout in XML in a way that takes this into consideration. ok, cool! . . . By the way, due to common desire I added a few lines on exception

Re: Style guide (2nd update)

2002-11-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 21 November 2002 17:31, Oleg Tkachenko wrote: . . . final String myString = (String)myListIterator.next(); . . . How do you think, is this final specifier only a style oriented or it have some performance benefit also? I don't know about performance, but I use it all the time

Re: FOP Servlet, contrib stuff and tutorial

2002-11-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 27 November 2002 09:36, Keiron Liddle wrote: On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 13:53, Jeremias Maerki wrote: . . . Problems that need to be addressed: - All Java sources need to be checked easily before a release (do they compile, do they work?). Could ant call help out here? No extra

Re: Style guide (2nd update)

2002-12-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sunday 01 December 2002 22:26, Oleg Tkachenko wrote: . . . J.Pietschmann wrote: I think we should leverage final more often in FOP. At http://codeconsult.ch/wiki/index.php/FopDevelopersStyleGuide we've got +2 vs -2 on this point, so taking into acount your opinion it's +3 vs -2 now. I

Re: Happy Holidays

2002-12-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Happy Holidays team - I've been very quiet lately but this is *definitely* a good crowd, I wish I could spend more time here! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL

FOP wiki pages moved

2002-12-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
As there is now an official Apache wiki [1], I moved the pages that were on my server to http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?FOPProjectPages Please do any further work on them there. They still need some cleanup after moving, I'll do it in January unless someone finds time to do it

JforIntegrationInFop - background and guidelines

2002-12-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
for skiing (assuming snow comes) for a few days, so even quieter than usual. -- Bertrand Delacretaz (codeconsult.ch, jfor.org) buzzwords: XML, java, XSLT, Cocoon, FOP, mentoring/teaching/coding. blogspace http://www.codeconsult.ch/bertrand

Re: Integration of Peter's work

2003-01-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Peter B. West wrote: . . . What will be interesting here is the possibility of defining a set of structure events for integration with the structure renderers like RTF, and I hope we can have some fruitful discussions with Bertrand on this. Looks promising, let me know where to look when the

Re: [VOTE] Conversion from src/org.. to src/java/org..

2003-03-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 7 mars 2003, à 17:39 Europe/Zurich, Jeremias Maerki a écrit : ...My main motivations for the move as such: - Easier handling of FOP in IDEs - Best practices confirmance - Finish what we (I) started +0.5, the IDE thing might be useful. As an option, we can also agree to do the same

Re: Nomination of Glen Mazza as committer

2003-06-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 16 juin 2003, à 02:12 Europe/Zurich, Victor Mote a écrit : ...However, I think it is appropriate to nominate Glen Mazza for committer status +1, welcome! -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: [RTF] Jfor integration

2003-06-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Victor, If you're going to work on the RTFHandler I'd be happy to commit the relevant jfor sources (the RTF library I assume) to the FOP codebase with appropriate package name changes. As Jeremias mentions, it might be better if I do it myself so that the legal stuff is clear. I should be

Re: [RTF] Jfor integration

2003-06-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Victor, I have committed the classes from the jfor RTF library under org.apache.fop.rtf.rtflib. They don't compile out of the box, so I disabled their compilation in build.xml for now, didn't have time to look further. The next step would be to get them to compile, have the RTFHandler use

Re: Structure renderers area trees (Re: startup refactoring)

2003-06-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 22 juin 2003, à 21:15 Europe/Zurich, Arnd Beißner a écrit : ...Before we're getting too philosophical, let me say that we're now talking two different issues: 1. Is it possible to develop a conforming XSL:FO implementation that produces RTF or MIF or similar ouput? Probably not,

Re: AW: Structure renderers area trees (Re: startup refactoring)

2003-06-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 23 juin 2003, à 10:35 Europe/Zurich, J.U. Anderegg a écrit : ... How do you plan to handle RTF styles? In jfor we defined an extension to XSL-FO (the jfor-style attribute) to control RTF styles. Another way would be to recognize sets of attribute values in the input XSL-FO and map

Re: AW: AW: Structure renderers area trees (Re: startup refactoring)

2003-06-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 23 juin 2003, à 12:08 Europe/Zurich, J.U. Anderegg a écrit : Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...In jfor we defined an extension to XSL-FO (the jfor-style attribute) to control RTF styles (1) This is not a FOP extension, but rather a fundamental change of the XSL-FO language, which does

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