Hi ya,
Just red this quote from the list:
Start quote:
First, ignoring Mac as a viable platform for blind gamers is a poor
strategy. One year on, and Mac sales are still far exceeding Windows sales,
even in comparison to back in the hay day of audio games, some 10 years ago
or so. It isn't
Hi all.
I have been interested in discussions about Mac vs Windows and iPhone
vs Android for quality and quantity of games. I have been meaning to
contact the list for a while with this game and a question.
Star Tradors is a game where you take command of a space craft and
crew and have to
Hi all.
I cannot remember if the discussion of board games is relevant to this
list, so apologies if I have overstepped the mark.
I live in a household with all blind adults but sighted children so I
have a question in a couple of parts. Firstly does anyone know any
good board games, mainstream as
hi. a few things here. yes, you are correct che. mac's are nothing,
compared to windows. mac's alone, make up about 50 to 70 million
computers in the world today. windows makes up over 1.5 billion,
that's billion with a B for bravo. lol. so mac's are nothing to
windows. and unless apple brings
Che,
Thanks for this well thought outpost and the information it provides.
I believe Mac OS is about 10% to 12% of the market now, but either way
you cut the cookie you are right. Windows is clearly the lion's share
of the market and no matter how much of an Apple fan boy or Linux fan
boy a
Dallas,
You are absolutely right about cost. I know that Apple uses premium
hardware in their Mac's, but the average person simply does not care
about that. Most people, myself included, are not going to pay $1,200
or more for a Mac when they can get an HP, 'Toshiba, Del, etc for half
that from
Hello Richard.
You have actually preempted me here. The other day I mentioned talking to a
developer about game access, well that developer was the lead dev of
Trees brothers and the game was star traders (I've also at least begun
exploring the question of their other games but let's not
Yes. IT'a just practice practice practice! You can do it smiles.
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Cochran
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 7:16 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: [Audyssey] Soul Trapper Chapter 18 Revisited
Hi,
Hi Che,
I am sure Josh is talking about his mac games
are outselling his windows games.
I am sure when Draconis develops a full IOS game for iPhone and iPad, that
will outsell the other two combined.
I just got my iPhone two months ago and already have purcheased over forty
games on it.
True,
Hi Davy,
Well, the problem with XAudio2 is that a number of developers have
reported it is buggy. Philip was working on a version of BGT that uses
XAudio2, and found out it caused some instabilities in BGT and removed
XAudio2 support for the time being. So that is why BGT does not
presently
Josh,
Correct. You have to own a Mac with XCode to develop software for iOS.
There isn't any way right now for a Windows or a Linux developer to
design software for iOS at this time. Unless they write it, and then
find a friend with a Mac to build it with XCode on their Mac.
Cheers!
On
Philip,
Thanks for that statement. That really clears up a lot of questions,
and now we all know where you stand.
Cheers!
On 12/13/13, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote:
Hi Davy and others,
I wanted to stop by and briefly explain my current intentions for BGT. When
I started
Hi Davy,
Actually, the lack of a 1.0 release of MOTA has more to do with my
personal life than indecisiveness. I have decided upon a language,
game ideas, level outlines, etc long ago. The problem is my personal
life has been a des aster this year, more than I am willing to get
into on list, and
Shaun,
It really saddens me to hear that. Using Visual Basic 6 in this day
and age is really a step in the wrong direction in my opinion. Danny
would have been better off going with Visual Basic .NET or C# .NET
than going to Visual Basic 6. Not trying to criticize here, but
developers need to
Hi Thomas,
I have had no trouble with XAudio2. That coupled with very low-level input
handling using the Win32 API made for some awesome times. Still, the
disadvantage to such low-level work (I count XAudio2 as relatively low-level
too), is that it takes more work to get things done -
Hey Charles,
I thought I sent this last night, but obviously not. Sorry about that. Here is
an installer.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96692612/SpaceAttackDemoSetup.exe
I'll have the full version up as soon as I can figure out how to use PayPal. I
used them for Wrecking Ball but haven't
Hi Davy,
I just wanted to clarify briefly what issues I had when integrating XAudio2
with BGT. Initially, everything seemed to work flawlessly. But what I
noticed when trying it in a large scale project with a lot of sounds playing
simultaneously was that XAudio2 would sometimes cause lag before
Hi Thomas,
I thought I'd also touch on the subject of sounds (or code) and encryption,
since you mentioned licensing and such.
Here's a question: Why are you encrypting your sounds? I don't mean how you
encrypt them. An industry-standard like AES has been proven to work in the
real world,
Hi Philip,
That is good to know! My project had that many sounds loaded, but they weren't
all playing at once. I heard that BGT has no 3D sound support. In that case I
fully agree that using DirectSound is the way to go for a Windows-only product.
By the way, I'm not criticizing BGT for not
Hi Davy,
Initially when I started writing BGT, I figured that it would be best to
begin with simple stereo and then go from there. But then I found out that
DirectSound 3d is rather broken, and decided to go for XAudio2 instead. You
know the rest of that story. So for this reason, BGT will
Hi Philip,
Would you consider having two ways to play sounds in BGT?
I could see the possibility of using XAudio2 on moving creatures and some
other system for everything else.
Phil
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To: Gamers Discussion list
hi. erm, actually, premium hardware? really? lol. they give you a
machine that has a dual core, at double the price of a quad core
windows computer. lol. just look at my Toshiba machine I have here.
quad core core i7, 2.4 GHZ, up to 3.4 GHZ turbo boost. 8 GB ram, and a
1 TB HDD with I think 8
hi,
i've been talking to trese brothers on twitter and yes they're going to make it
accessible. they are hopefully going to get an update out before the end of the
year. that's what we hoping for anyway. heroes of steel is also going to come
out on ios and they have put voiceover in with that
Hi Phillip,
It was very educational to hear the problems you hit with XAudio2.
Could you expound on the issues you had with DirectSound 3D as well?
Thanks!
Ian Reed
On Dec 14, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Philip Bennefall phi...@blastbay.com wrote:
Hi Davy,
Initially when I started writing BGT, I
Thanks Cara and Willem.
This is very helpful.
It is nice to have a library to look at for parsing sound files.
I'm also quite glad to hear I can play sounds and music non-positionally.
So I can set even a mono sound's source to be stereo and make it
non-positional, right Cara?
I think OpenAL
Hi Davy,
I am glad to hear you had no serious issues with XAudio2, but I was
merely reporting what I have heard back from Philip Bennefall and
others who tried to use it for a production product. I'm more or less
on the fence myself weather or not to adopt it, but it is certainly an
option for a
Hey Kara,
That's exactly how I do it in directx, and it works just fine.
Check out my games at
www.ThePionEar.net
and my music, and that of my band, at
www.ThePionEar.net/BlindLabyrinth.html .
Also, check out, The Believer and Skeptic Show, at iTunes!
If you want to reach me, you can call
Apologies. I simply have to take this bate. :)
On 14 Dec 2013, at 14:06, Dallas O'Brien dallas.r.obr...@gmail.com wrote:
hi. erm, actually, premium hardware? really? lol. they give you a
machine that has a dual core, at double the price of a quad core
windows computer. lol. just look at
you can get a great windows7 machine from blaire technology group for
$190 or around $200. take off the back pannel put 4 more gigs of ram in
and you are good to go.
using windows7 laptop
On 12/14/2013 5:56 AM, Dallas O'Brien wrote:
hi. a few things here. yes, you are correct che. mac's are
Hi Josh,
True, but there is a down side to buying cheap computers, and that is
the hardware doesn't last long. I have owned many affordable
e-machines for Windows and Linux, and I am here to say that in the
main the hardware lasts about two years and dies.
I'll give you an example here. The
Here is the Intel Core i7 that is in the current high-end MacBook Air:
http://ark.intel.com/products/75114/
Notice that it costs roughly US$ 450. I call that premium. Most CPUs in rival
ultrabooks sit $50 to $150 below that mark.
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From: Gamers
Hi Dallis,
By premium hardware I should say more reliable hardware. I know people
who own Mac's who have less down time, less hardware issues, and more
stability than your average Windows e-machine. Yes, I know a Windows
user can get a killer machine for far less than the Mac, but I also
know
Hi,
One interesting point I see being raised over and over here is that developing
for Mac adds cost on the developer's end. Without denying that statement, I'm
curious to know what is meant here:
- Cost of a physical Mac (because you don't like VirtualBox).
- Cost of an Apple developer
blaire technology is a microsoft authorized refurbishing company. the hp
elitbook 6930p and the dell latitude e4310 when they were sold they were
not inexpensive machines at all. they were in dell and hp's business and
enterprise stores. so blaire technology group takes 3 to 4 year old high
I got my dell latitude business machine rfurbished from newegg for $350
at the time and now it is down to $280. it has 4gigs of ram and a core
i5 processor with a 250gig hard drive and windows7 64bit. a very solidly
built business high quality machine for $300 or so? you can't beat that.
also my hp elitebook and the dell latitude e4310 have pointer sticks or
nubs between the g and h keys right above the letter b. b as in bravo. I
got a really really sturdy fast high quality business machine for $190.
I will not ever buy consumer pcs again. I will get refurbished business
I didn't know that Wrecking Ball was for sale. I thought that the demo,
under development, was the only available file.
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From: Ken Downey
That I say wrecking ball? I meant phrase madness. I probably will sell wrecking
ball version two as well, but that still away down the pike.
Good is the worst enemy of best.
Ken
On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
I didn't know that Wrecking Ball was for
Hi Davy,
Well, for one thing to develop software for the Mac it requires
purchasing a Mac. Both hardware and software. It is not legal to buy
Mac OS X and run it in Virtualbox or in VMWare Player. Although, I
have heard it can be done if you have the proper hardware to do it.
Hardware is a
have you thought of developing for android like the nexus4 5 and 7 and
samsng devices?
using windows7 laptop
On 12/14/2013 12:11 PM, Thomas Ward wrote:
Hi Davy,
Well, for one thing to develop software for the Mac it requires
purchasing a Mac. Both hardware and software. It is not legal to
Hi Davy,
I just wanted to clarify briefly what issues I had when integrating XAudio2
with BGT. Initially, everything seemed to work flawlessly. But what I
noticed when trying it in a large scale project with a lot of sounds playing
simultaneously was that XAudio2 would sometimes cause lag
There is always this too: http://coronalabs.com/
Of course the disadvantage is that you don't learn about the native platform in
the way you would when going Objective-C. You may also not get the same
low-level access (i.e. Accelerated framework, Audio Units) that you get using
Objective-C.
Hi Davy and others,
I wanted to stop by and briefly explain my current intentions for BGT. When
I started developing it in late 2009, I had absolutely no idea how it would
do financially. Now, 4 years down the line I can say that while sales have
been reasonable considering the number of
No but the people I work with for the deathmatch series do use fsl on
purebasic which does have open al intigrated.
The environmental and other effects do have a few echo issues, but
over all are ok.
I am not sure about anything else which is not purebasic.
At 06:20 a.m. 14/12/2013, you wrote:
Hi Josh,
Not sure who the question was aimed at, but I'll answer it anyway.
I've been thinking about Android game development. At least, looking
into it. I am not willing to commit to developing for the platform,
but I have both the skills and equipment to do it if I want to.
The issue is a
If a lot of people write to a developer wanting an app to be made
accessible, this is not pestering. If one person continuously writes
repeated requests, and sometimes demands, for accessibility, that would be
pestering. If several people write with constructive suggestions and well
worded
Hello. This is ron. For those of you who are mac users, is the game
deoblo accessible for blind players?
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Hi,
To be perfectly fair, one can have a Mac mini for $600, which should lower the
barrier somewhat.
I don't know to what extent running Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware is legal,
but I do know that it works using VMware Workstation, even on AMD processors.
Not that you'd gain much in the
If you don't have the bucks, you have to get what you can with what you
have.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list
First, a response to the initial question of this thread, then a few comments
about the thread overall.
*snip*
Just red this quote from the list:
Start quote:
First, ignoring Mac as a viable platform for blind gamers is a poor
strategy. One year on, and Mac sales are still far exceeding
hi, i'll answer the questions under each question.
1. How long do you think it'll last?
about 4 or 5 years, my previous toshiba lasted that long, and only
died cause the person i gave it too managed to kill the system
somehow. lol. otherwise it would still be with me.
2. How much do you think
Regarding the development cost of Windows apps: as a Mac user I feel that
Visual Studio Express is, while certainly useful for .net development, somewhat
annoyingly crippled for Win32 development. It doesn't have MFC or resource
editors, for example. You can somewhat work around this, though
I wouldn't think so. None of the Winblows versions I ever tried were. And
just a slight correction onthe name, it's Diablo, not Dioblo. Smile.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
-Original Message-
From: Ron hopkins
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:39 AM
To:
Toshiba is definitely a good brand overall. My current laptop is a Toshiba
that I've had for four years.About the only ting wrong with it is that the
tab key is missing and Disk Defragmenter won't open, but it still lets me
play games.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
-Original
I would groan, but I’ve told many other people this regarding other games, so I
get a taste of my own medicine. It’s just not second nature to me. Every three
months or so I dust it off and figure I can deal with all the prefatory
conversations before the actual fight, since there’s no way to
Hi Davy,
True, but as I recall the Mac Mini doesn't come with a monitor etc.
That still needs to be purchased separately so right there when you
add the cost of a monitor and whatever else you want we are looking at
$800 to $1000 to outfit yourself with a Mac.
I can't speak as to VMWare
Hi Bryan,
I would agree with that. Toshiba is over all a good brand, and the
main reason I had to have mine serviced is because it got knocked off
the desk and it hit the floor and broke. Otherwise I think it would
have outlasted this Compaq which hasn't been dropped and has
practically had
Sabahattin,
What you say about Visual Studio Express is all too true. For a C++
developer and Win32 development it is seriously crippled. It is not
just the lack of MFC but there are ATL libraries etc you don't get
either. To be honest I see Visual Studio Express more for students,
amateur
So are Acer and Asus and as for your defragmentation issue try
Defraggler from
www.piriform.com
On 14/12/2013 18:46, Bryan Peterson wrote:
Toshiba is definitely a good brand overall. My current laptop is a
Toshiba that I've had for four years.About the only ting wrong with it
is that the tab
Fun that you should mention that, Thomas: as a student I have been legally
using Visual Studio Professional free of charge for a few years now. I never
realized how crippled the Express edetion can be. Apple is definitely doing a
good job providing their IDE for free, to anyone.
Hi Josh and all,
Fair enough, sorry I misunderstood what you were posting there, my bad.
That is very interesting that your mac sales are far outstripping windows
sales, I would be curious to know the numbers there, but I completely
understand if you'd rather keep it under your hat.
I have
Hi Davy,
Well, what I mentioned is a small sampling of things missing in the
express edition. There are actually quite a number of things missing
in VS Express that you get with VS Pro, and while I don't want to list
them all here do to time constraints it is safe to say VS Express is
very
Hi Tom,
Unless you have someone sighted planning on using the Mac mini also, you can
use it perfectly well without a monitor. I did that for years. You can also buy
adapters for many kinds of older desktop monitors, so if you already have a
monitor hanging around, there’s a good chance it
hi Che, from messing around with OSX in a vm, i learned one thing.
apple has added in a numpad commander. this makes navigating around
the system farely quick and painless. feels a bit like nvda in some
ways. except you don't need to use a modifyer. 6 and 4 become similar
to VO right and VO left.
Hi ya phil,
Yeah man, as a commercial entity selling to a very limited market, the
price point of iOS games is a concern.
As you mentioned, , while it is true that a release of an iOS title will
far out sale the same title for mac or windows, at what price will it be
offered ?
You said you
Hi,
This is where developing games for multiple types of people comes into play
here I think.
Look at the various audio games that there are out there on IOS for example?
How many of them were developed specifically for blind people yet sighted
people play them? Take the blindness lable away and
Hi dallas,
Thanks for that info man.
I remember now reading something about the num pad commander, but never
did check it out, no excuse for my laziness there.
I do have an external bluetooth keyboard by logiTech, which is awesome by
the way, you can assign it to three different devices,
Hi Che,
Don’t have as much time as I’d like to respond, but just a couple of quick
thoughts/answers here.
Yeah, even if I wanted to, I’m not at liberty to release those numbers, but I
can give you a rough idea.
For ChangeReaction 2, which is admittedly not the best test case since a
previous
Yeah, numpad commander is your friend on OS X. I can manage just fine either
way--not sure what's so hard about the VO keys, myself--but the numpad
commander definitely makes the Apple wired keyboard worthwhile for me. I gave
up the Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad in favour of just the wired
My old Toshiba has been running since 2005, and my mum has one of my
brothers that has been running since 1999, though admitedly on that one
the fan needs replacing. The only part of laptops I've ever seen utterly
break is the headphone socket which happened on my old machine from
2003,
i can use one finger to press VO and shift. i don’t have large fingers, but I’m
used to playing musical instruments, and my fingers are pretty long.
Teresa
Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. Feynman
On Dec 14, 2013, at 4:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Hi Chae.
Actually, while many Ios games are indeed on the lower end of the price
spectrum that is a matter that is likely to change, since some of the major
mainstream coorporations are producing rpgs and the like. Squares new Iphone
game for example was priced at 20 usd.
Even in the
You can also use a Windows app called SharpKeys to reassign any key on the
keyboard to be the Insert if you need that under Windows.
VoiceOver’s got a wide range of tools that have great use cases depending on
what you need to do. I personally use a combination of Keyboard Commander,
Trackpad
Hi Theresa,
I think at least some of the complaints about the VO keys come from people who
are playing with OS X on non-Apple hardware, where the control and alt keys are
not side-by-side like the control and option keys are. Of course, this can be
fixed for PC keyboards in Mac System
I'm very sad to learn that I can no longer play Sara and the Castle of
Witchcraft and Wizardry, as I have moved house, and have sadly lost my
registration information, so, bye-bye Sara!
Lindsay Cowell.
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Exactly. My Compaq died after less than three years of use, without ever
having been dropped or having a Dr. Pepper spilled all over it. Not that
I've done either to my current machine but only three years is pretty sad.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
-Original Message-
Hi dark,
Yah, as far as the extra payments to advance in a game, that is what I was
referring to with the micro payments.
It is an interesting model, and definitely one I will be looking at later
on, it is perfect for a RPG., or space exploration epic.
For now, I have to clear my slate of
I'm the same way. I apparently have guitar player's fingers LOL.
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
-Original Message-
From: Teresa Cochran
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 5:25 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] voiceover interface on mac,was:RE: mac versus
Hi Lindsay,
Just email me directly and I'll get you a new registration key for the Sarah
game.
Phil Vlasak
PCS games
phi...@bex.net
- Original Message -
From: Lindsay Cowell lindsay.cow...@virginmedia.com
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:48 PM
Subject:
Mmm, yeah, definitely agree that Toshiba had a good run. I don't believe
they're up there nowadays though, as they've mostly thrown their consumer
products to the wolves and that includes all the gaming machines. Now the new
hotness appears to be Lenovo, at least hardware wise. But I no
Okay,
Have not read down this thread all the way yet but I have something simple to
say.
If people are seriously wanting information on Mac / iOS development then
that's great and I'm happy to answer when I can. -And there are others here as
well.
However, this whole Mac / Windows discussion
Hey Gamers,
Because I am need to constantly fuck Liam's butthole when he's not in a
threesome with me and Jim Kitchen, I have found it necessary to create this
game! I have been working on it for years now, but I have switched programming
languages 200 different times. I have finally chosen
Thomas, when you mention buying a Mac, you also mention software.
What are you thinking you need?
The OS comes on the machine just like Windows and the development tools are
free.
the only other cost is the dev account.
Were you thinking of something else?
Thanks and hope you're having a
I am a big fan of mainstream games. There are plenty of home-made gay games out
there. But there are none for us blind people! Thomas and I now are husbands,
and we fuck each other daily. But I am a REALLY horny guy, and Thomas's ass is
sore from my constant pounding. So I need to virtually
Audysseyers,
As a job, I model in the nude. This is because I cannot code good things. But,
I am a good voice actress when it comes to being pounded with a cock in the
vagina and the ass. I do this quite well. USA Games and L-Works have created
game for gay blinds, but not straight ones. So I
Hi Shaun,
The delay / reverb and other effects are actually system-specific and not a
part of OpenAL. OpenAL does not have these by default, so it relies on the
particular system on which it is running to take care of this.
So any issues you may be seeing are not with OpenAL itself but with
Hi All.
I have just added Liam's Hairy Butthole to the AudioGames DOT NET Forum. I have
been given beta access! And! I will be posted an audio update for you all on my
experience. It is worth the high price. Yes, it is! The audio update will
include me jacking off.
Beware the Grue!
Dark, PhD
Glad to see someone is impersonating email addresses. Truthfully I
lol'd a little bit.
On 12/14/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
Hi All.
I have just added Liam's Hairy Butthole to the AudioGames DOT NET Forum. I
have been given beta access! And! I will be posted an audio update for you
all on my
Can someone please get rid of this disgusting individual?
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Sigh really? And people wonder why I hate this list. Glad to see
people are adult enough to impersonate other list members.
On 12/14/13, Liam Erven liamer...@gmail.com wrote:
I am a big fan of mainstream games. There are plenty of home-made gay games
out there. But there are none for us blind
Pst! don't encourage him!
At 01:41 PM 12/15/2013, you wrote:
Glad to see someone is impersonating email addresses. Truthfully I
lol'd a little bit.
On 12/14/13, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
Hi All.
I have just added
(snp!)
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I have a question about MOTA! When will tommy ward introduce the feature to get
anally raped by him? I like big meat you know it! yes you do! MOTHA FUCKA!
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Hi,
we all know there is lots of gay porn available for sighted people but what
about for blind ppl? please right now reply on this list or if tommy ward's is
too much of an anus reply to me personally your favorite porn website where I
can get AUDIO DESCRIBED PORNO thank you
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Hey
I just play liam hairy butthole you should play too! I scored points by licking
his ass freshly after he shit, now there is shit on my tongue! now now now now!
you play more like me! we wee wee ewe wwee!
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Hey All,
There has been much recent discussion about making my PIECE OF SHIT software
for STUPID FUCKING BLIND people who cant learn REAL CODING in C PLUS PLUS MOTHA
FUCKA! BGT is complete rip off! You are all too fucking stupid! Why would you
pay for my shitty fucking software! It costs a
Hi ya,
i am tinking about making a game available for ios. we will be parterning with
mister liam erven, the guy with the hairy anus, to make the game available to
ios. that way you can shove your iphone up your ass and pretend it's his cock.
it will make big sound for you
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hi
i am some old fucking farthead who keeps using vb6 and won't switch to real man
language like c++. i am old and stupid as fuck and i should be castrated by che
martin. Go to KITCHENSINC, where the only thing in the sink is Liam's CUM! Hot
Cum for Liam erven will be for sale. i extracted the
Hey all,
It has come to my attention that someone finds it funny to spam the list. I am
taking precautions and placing everyone on moderator status. There should be no
more messages like this coming to the list. Consider all these topics closed,
lets get back to gaming!
Thank You.
Sincerely:
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