Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Andrew & Bridget
Bob you are indeed correct as the image is held in the memory not a file type, the point I was trying to make was that the image is no longer a .jpg. I believe there is a little confusion here generally with what Helen is trying to do. I think she needs several scaled images. Sent from my iPa

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Bob Long
Andrew & Bridget wrote, > When you open a image in GIMP you are basically importing any image type > into the software, so whilst you are editing in GIMP it is no longer a > .jpg or .tif or other that you opened it is a .xcf file, hence why you > now export. Where previous versions you opened a .

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Helen wrote: > don't see any way around the repeated reopenings Mmm... There's this difficult to catch bug... Sometimes when there are multiple images opened in the single-window mode, exporting an image that's among the first tabs to the left results in GIMP jum

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? [saving undo history]

2013-06-15 Thread Archie Arevalo
On 06/16/2013 11:38 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote: On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 08:03 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:30:43 +0200 From: schum...@gmx.de To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? . . . That's not perfect yet - for example, you l

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? [saving undo history]

2013-06-15 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 08:03 -0700, Richard Gitschlag wrote: > > Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:30:43 +0200 > > From: schum...@gmx.de > > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? > > > > . . . That's not perfect yet - for example, you lose the undo history . .

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Fri, 2013-06-14 at 22:37 -0400, Helen wrote: > The export feature could have been added without > disabling the save as feature. Control-shift-e (export to) works like the old "save as" for non-xcf formats. Liam -- Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ Pictures f

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Sat, 2013-06-15 at 16:14 -0400, Helen wrote: > When I export, it closes! The preview will close but the original image is still open. If you use single-window-mode, GIMP then switches back to a random (or unpredictable) image, not the one you were working on, but it's still there. My own wor

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Richard Gitschlag
> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 16:12:06 -0400 > From: etter...@gmail.com > To: tomd...@comcast.net > CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? > > Not exactly, no, the edited image that is now on my screen, the xcf, is > probably a resolution of 300 x 300 and may

Re: [Gimp-user] Technical issues with recent mails (was: Re: A sad case of regression ?)

2013-06-15 Thread Alec Burgess
I'd noticed the broken threading too and saw this from "." = David Russel No less than six digests were waiting to be read this morning, almost entirely cluttered with this nonsense. I think that explains why every message from him starts a new thread (also with subtlety different subject lines)

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Andrew & Bridget
Not exactly, no, the edited image that is now on my screen, the xcf, is probably a resolution of 300 x 300 and may be a print size of 12 x 16; But the exported image is a resolution of 72 and is not meant for printing. *That* is the one that I have to re-open (because I can't force it not to clo

[Gimp-user] GIMP deserves more

2013-06-15 Thread Obed André Betancourt Ward
Hello everyone, my name is André. You can call me Andy. I'm a huge fan of the GIMP project. As I understand, this is a volunteered project. No ads, no fees, all free. That is awesome. But I must say I'm not a fan of the slow development (please don't confuse slow with great, I think GIMP is fantast

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 15.06.2013 22:21, Tom Williams wrote: On 06/15/2013 01:19 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: There's something crazy going on with your computer and your copy of GIMP. What happens for just about everybody else is: 1. File > Export 2. Specify file name 3. Click 'Export' 4. Contonue working on

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Simon Budig
Tom Williams (tomd...@comcast.net) wrote: > I'm thinking Helen is referring to the JPEG preview window that opens, > during the JPEG export process.After the JPEG export is done, the > preview window closes since the file's been saved. However, the separate window only shows up when one is wor

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Tom Williams
On 06/15/2013 01:19 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Helen wrote: > Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should stay on my screen until I finish with them. >>> But noone's forcing you to close them. >> Are you kidding? > Nope.

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 06/15/13 15:19, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Helen wrote: Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should stay on my screen until I finish with them. But noone's forcing you to close them. Are you kidding? Nope. When I export

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:14 AM, Helen wrote: >> > Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should >> > stay on my screen until I finish with them. >> >> But noone's forcing you to close them. > > Are you kidding? Nope. > When I export, it closes! It shouldn't and it n

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Helen wrote: > >> > >> Here are the facts: every time you "save" your image as JPEG, you lose > >> information. It is by design a lossy image format > > > > > > Exactl

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
> When you make > an edit on the image and you export it, the JPEG doesn't "disappear" and > the edited image still shows in the image window. It's that you want to > see the _exported_ JPEG file to confirm the export resulted in the JPEG > file you wanted to create for the client > I think you'r

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Helen wrote: >> >> Here are the facts: every time you "save" your image as JPEG, you lose >> information. It is by design a lossy image format > > > Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should > stay on my screen until I finish with them

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
> > Here are the facts: every time you "save" your image as JPEG, you lose > information. It is by design a lossy image format Exactly! We should not have to keep opening these files! They should stay on my screen until I finish with them. Now, in defense of the gallery operators, I am sending

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Tom Williams
On 06/15/2013 12:42 PM, Helen wrote: > Your steps are pretty much the same as mine. The misunderstanding > Iguess is that, after I export, the .jpg file disappears. Yes, the > original image is there, with all it's layers and that is good, but at > this point, I am finished with the .xcf file an

Re: [Gimp-user] Rescale Tool - Layer Mask Added

2013-06-15 Thread Andrew & Bridget
Thanks, it is that's a very simple way, and is the way I currently work. I just thought the logically way would have been to scale a active masked layer as seen with the mask active. On 15/06/2013 20:29, Daniel Hauck wrote: Taking the obvious approach, I always just duplicate a layer and make

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
Your steps are pretty much the same as mine. The misunderstanding Iguess is that, after I export, the .jpg file disappears. Yes, the original image is there, with all it's layers and that is good, but at this point, I am finished with the .xcf file and I want to see the jpg. But it is gone, so

Re: [Gimp-user] Rescale Tool - Layer Mask Added

2013-06-15 Thread Daniel Hauck
Taking the obvious approach, I always just duplicate a layer and make it not visible. That way, I can use the copied layer again in other ways. Simple. On 06/15/2013 03:24 PM, Andrew & Bridget wrote: When you try to rescale a layer using the Rescale Tool with a layer mask active, it scales o

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Daniel Hauck
On 06/15/2013 01:53 PM, Grue wrote: Wow, just wow. Here are the facts: every time you "save" your image as JPEG, you lose information. It is by design a lossy image format that uses an algorithm to conserve your disk space via throwing away some "insignificant" information (which works well for

[Gimp-user] Rescale Tool - Layer Mask Added

2013-06-15 Thread Andrew & Bridget
When you try to rescale a layer using the Rescale Tool with a layer mask active, it scales of the mask, likewise if you select the layer it will scale the layer. Can I select both the layer and layer mask and scale the layer, thus it keeps the layer mask showing the desired masked area only. As

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Chris Mohler
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Norbert Preining wrote: > These bullying emails are just plain rubbish. Software should be written with > the users in mind. And > - opening a jpg file > - editing > - saving > should result in a saved version of yhe original file, because that is what > practica

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Daniel Smith
well, i gotta say, that were i ever to actually use the gimp in any heavy capacity, or a company i worked at would, these "saving" lists would be required reading due to the variety of formats/procedures detailed. thanks, i guess. :) dan On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Chris Mohler wrote: > On

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Chris Mohler
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: >> I fail to understand why using E rather than >> S adds any time at all to your work. > > Not the time, but the annoyance at the stupidity of being told my file has > not been saved, when I have just saved it back to its original format th

[Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Grue
>Hi all > >I not often write here, but I'm a regular user of gimp. But I slowly >get upset by some mails here >First: I am myself developer of open source projects as well as Debian >developer, so not some casual user. > >These bullying emails are just plain rubbish. Software should be >written wit

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Tom Williams
On 06/14/2013 08:14 PM, Helen wrote: > It would take too long a message to do justice to your question, but > a quick version goes something like > My agent sends a jpg of the card she plans to mail out, asking me to edit. > I edit, save to jpg becasue tha's what she wants, and it has now > disappe

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Helen
It would take too long a message to do justice to your question, but a quick version goes something like My agent sends a jpg of the card she plans to mail out, asking me to edit. I edit, save to jpg becasue tha's what she wants, and it has now disappeared off my screen. I open it again to make sur

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread maderios
On 06/15/2013 04:38 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:57:57 +0200 maderios wrote: This strange "save, save as" behaviour could not exist in a professional environment. A professional (and many amateurs) user know he has to save his work. I think Gimp-2.8 tries to do inst

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-15 Thread Richard Gitschlag
> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:02:58 +0400 > From: alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression. > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Psiweapon wrote: > > > Excuse me, Alexandre, but you're being DISMISSIVE AS HELL here. > > Yes,

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Richard Gitschlag
> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:30:43 +0200 > From: schum...@gmx.de > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ? > > . . . That's not perfect yet - for example, you lose the undo history . . . How often is Undo history ACTUALLY needed by the user, beyond fixing

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:57:57 +0200 maderios wrote: > This strange "save, save as" behaviour could not exist in a professional > environment. > A professional (and many amateurs) user know he has to save his work. > I think Gimp-2.8 tries to do instead of the user that it should do himself. > It

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread maderios
On 06/15/2013 02:28 PM, Norbert Preining wrote: Hi all I not often write here, but I'm a regular user of gimp. But I slowly get upset by some mails here First: I am myself developer of open source projects as well as Debian developer, so not some casual user. These bullying emails are just p

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 08:18:37 -0500 "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr" wrote: > > Well, at least went metric, they didn't remain overly attached to their > > old warty version of a measurement system :) > Actually they still use imperial measurements as well. The conversion > over to metric wasn't 100% succ

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 12:29:37 +0100 "." wrote: > I fail to understand why using E rather than > S adds any time at all to your work. Not the time, but the annoyance at the stupidity of being told my file has not been saved, when I have just saved it back to its original format through Export.

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Joseph A. Nagy, Jr
On 06/15/13 07:30, Ofnuts wrote: On 06/15/2013 01:36 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: This is a bit rich, coming from the country where we hear they are still whingeing about Decimalization and Metrication ;-3) Well, at least went metric, they didn't remain overly attached to their old warty v

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Ofnuts
On 06/15/2013 01:36 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: This is a bit rich, coming from the country where we hear they are still whingeing about Decimalization and Metrication ;-3) Well, at least went metric, they didn't remain overly attached to their old warty version of a measurement system :)

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi all I not often write here, but I'm a regular user of gimp. But I slowly get upset by some mails here > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:32:45AM +0100, . wrote: >> No less than six digests were waiting to be read this morning, almost >> entirely cluttered with this nonsense. >> >> How much do I p

[Gimp-user] Technical issues with recent mails (was: Re: A sad case of regression ?)

2013-06-15 Thread Michael Schumacher
Hi there, I'd like to point of some issues with a few of the recent mails: 1. Broken threading Some users apparently reply with mail software which breaks threads, e.g. does not add In-Reply-To: / References: headers to sent messages. This starts a new thread for that message. Users 'Crew' a

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Stephen Allen
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 11:32:45AM +0100, . wrote: > No less than six digests were waiting to be read this morning, almost > entirely cluttered with this nonsense. > > How much do I pay for the Gimp? Nothing. > > Am I delighted with it? Yes! > > Does it require any effort to get used to using E

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread Ron
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:32:45 +0100 "." wrote: > How much do I pay for the Gimp? Nothing. > Am I delighted with it? Yes! Glad to hear you are. > Does it require any effort to get used to using E and S ? > No - a child would make less fuss than some of the posters to this > group. You are missi

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread .
> From: Helen > I work with agents for my art galleries. > One of my agents wants everything sent as jpeg > so I send her what she wants. > One wants .tif so I send her what she wants. > Juried exhibits ask for jpeg (I don't know why > but this change adds hours to a job > that should take me ha

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

2013-06-15 Thread .
No less than six digests were waiting to be read this morning, almost entirely cluttered with this nonsense. How much do I pay for the Gimp? Nothing. Am I delighted with it? Yes! Does it require any effort to get used to using E and S ? No - a child would make less fuss than some of the posters

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-15 Thread Francesco Scaglioni
Repeat after me : Alt-F A, ctrl-s, ctrl-s (repeat as needed), shift-ctrl-e, close. Hardly rocket science and needs about 15 minutes for mucles memory to cut in. Jusy my 2d worth, F xx --- Apologies for brevity, top posting and poor citation.This email was sent from a mobile device. --- __

Re: [Gimp-user] A sad case of regression ?

2013-06-15 Thread Michael Schumacher
On 15.06.2013 04:34, Helen wrote: I work with agents for my art galleries. One of my agents wants everything sent as jpeg so I send her what she wants. One wants .tif so I send her what she wants. Juried exhibits ask for jpeg (I don't know why) So you need multiple exports from the same ima

Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression.

2013-06-15 Thread KevinO
On 06/14/2013 02:34 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > Every time people insist on cluttering the list up with weeping and > wailing and gnashing of teeth over Save vs. Export, it is... > +1 -- KevinO ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org htt