Re: [Gimp-user] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Gimp not Kim

On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:53 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:

> Last one: I checked and there are already lists there that have to do with
> Kim so you might check them out you already might be archive there I’m sure
> you are. I could be wrong. I often am.
> 
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:51 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:
>
>> OK one more. I might as well while I’m at it. Here is the link to the
>> page of all the lists on the page or in Marc. You can see how profound the
>> amount of information is there it’s amazing it’s a great reference.
>> https://marc.info/
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:49 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> Here’s another article about it. My experience is they have a very wide
>>> vest amount of information there. I think it personally it would be a good
>>> idea to put your list there because a lot of people from other technologies
>>> could find out about it and you could find out about them too. There’s a
>>> whole Lotta stuff there over the years.
>>> https://marc.info/?q=about
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:45 PM Daniel Smith 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I usually don’t reply to this list I just like to read it I like to
>>>> watch ha ha.
>>>> Just kidding, but another resource might be the Marc mailing list
>>>> resource and archive. I only know about them because I used to follow a lot
>>>> of technological groups like Apache server and XML-based technologies. Like
>>>> cocoon for example. For anybody who’s ever heard of that but that
>>>> technology had a very interested population in graphical technology like
>>>> SVG for example. This is a link to the general description of them below.
>>>> Thank you for sending in about this I didn’t know they were going to
>>>> delete the email list for Gimp. 
>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_(archive)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:04 PM Grzegorz Szymaszek via gimp-user-list <
>>>> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, since a few years, Mutt's mailing lists[1] are hosted at Oregon
>>>>> State University Open Source Lab[2]. From my limited experience, this
>>>>> solution works quite reliably. In general, they provide hosting of
>>>>> mailing lists and other services for free for open source projects[3].
>>>>>
>>>>> Some alternatives off the top of my head to consider:
>>>>> - Debian mailing lists[4],
>>>>> - freedesktop.org, as already mentioned by Yuri,
>>>>> - SourceHut[5] (most likely paid).
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]: http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html
>>>>> [2]: https://osuosl.org/
>>>>> [3]: https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy/
>>>>> [4]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
>>>>> [5]: https://sourcehut.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of luck
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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Re: [Gimp-user] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Last one: I checked and there are already lists there that have to do with
Kim so you might check them out you already might be archive there I’m sure
you are. I could be wrong. I often am.


On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:51 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:

> OK one more. I might as well while I’m at it. Here is the link to the page
> of all the lists on the page or in Marc. You can see how profound the
> amount of information is there it’s amazing it’s a great reference.
> https://marc.info/
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:49 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:
>
>> Here’s another article about it. My experience is they have a very wide
>> vest amount of information there. I think it personally it would be a good
>> idea to put your list there because a lot of people from other technologies
>> could find out about it and you could find out about them too. There’s a
>> whole Lotta stuff there over the years.
>> https://marc.info/?q=about
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:45 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> I usually don’t reply to this list I just like to read it I like to
>>> watch ha ha.
>>> Just kidding, but another resource might be the Marc mailing list
>>> resource and archive. I only know about them because I used to follow a lot
>>> of technological groups like Apache server and XML-based technologies. Like
>>> cocoon for example. For anybody who’s ever heard of that but that
>>> technology had a very interested population in graphical technology like
>>> SVG for example. This is a link to the general description of them below.
>>> Thank you for sending in about this I didn’t know they were going to
>>> delete the email list for Gimp. 
>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_(archive)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:04 PM Grzegorz Szymaszek via gimp-user-list <
>>> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, since a few years, Mutt's mailing lists[1] are hosted at Oregon
>>>> State University Open Source Lab[2]. From my limited experience, this
>>>> solution works quite reliably. In general, they provide hosting of
>>>> mailing lists and other services for free for open source projects[3].
>>>>
>>>> Some alternatives off the top of my head to consider:
>>>> - Debian mailing lists[4],
>>>> - freedesktop.org, as already mentioned by Yuri,
>>>> - SourceHut[5] (most likely paid).
>>>>
>>>> [1]: http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html
>>>> [2]: https://osuosl.org/
>>>> [3]: https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy/
>>>> [4]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
>>>> [5]: https://sourcehut.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck
>>>>
>>>> --
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Re: [Gimp-user] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

OK one more. I might as well while I’m at it. Here is the link to the page
of all the lists on the page or in Marc. You can see how profound the
amount of information is there it’s amazing it’s a great reference.
https://marc.info/


On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:49 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:

> Here’s another article about it. My experience is they have a very wide
> vest amount of information there. I think it personally it would be a good
> idea to put your list there because a lot of people from other technologies
> could find out about it and you could find out about them too. There’s a
> whole Lotta stuff there over the years.
> https://marc.info/?q=about
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:45 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:
>
>> I usually don’t reply to this list I just like to read it I like to watch
>> ha ha.
>> Just kidding, but another resource might be the Marc mailing list
>> resource and archive. I only know about them because I used to follow a lot
>> of technological groups like Apache server and XML-based technologies. Like
>> cocoon for example. For anybody who’s ever heard of that but that
>> technology had a very interested population in graphical technology like
>> SVG for example. This is a link to the general description of them below.
>> Thank you for sending in about this I didn’t know they were going to
>> delete the email list for Gimp. 
>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_(archive)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:04 PM Grzegorz Szymaszek via gimp-user-list <
>> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> FWIW, since a few years, Mutt's mailing lists[1] are hosted at Oregon
>>> State University Open Source Lab[2]. From my limited experience, this
>>> solution works quite reliably. In general, they provide hosting of
>>> mailing lists and other services for free for open source projects[3].
>>>
>>> Some alternatives off the top of my head to consider:
>>> - Debian mailing lists[4],
>>> - freedesktop.org, as already mentioned by Yuri,
>>> - SourceHut[5] (most likely paid).
>>>
>>> [1]: http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html
>>> [2]: https://osuosl.org/
>>> [3]: https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy/
>>> [4]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
>>> [5]: https://sourcehut.org/
>>>
>>>
>>> Best of luck
>>>
>>> --
>>> Grzegorz
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>>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Here’s another article about it. My experience is they have a very wide
vest amount of information there. I think it personally it would be a good
idea to put your list there because a lot of people from other technologies
could find out about it and you could find out about them too. There’s a
whole Lotta stuff there over the years.
https://marc.info/?q=about


On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:45 PM Daniel Smith  wrote:

> I usually don’t reply to this list I just like to read it I like to watch
> ha ha.
> Just kidding, but another resource might be the Marc mailing list resource
> and archive. I only know about them because I used to follow a lot of
> technological groups like Apache server and XML-based technologies. Like
> cocoon for example. For anybody who’s ever heard of that but that
> technology had a very interested population in graphical technology like
> SVG for example. This is a link to the general description of them below.
> Thank you for sending in about this I didn’t know they were going to
> delete the email list for Gimp. 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_(archive)
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:04 PM Grzegorz Szymaszek via gimp-user-list <
> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> FWIW, since a few years, Mutt's mailing lists[1] are hosted at Oregon
>> State University Open Source Lab[2]. From my limited experience, this
>> solution works quite reliably. In general, they provide hosting of
>> mailing lists and other services for free for open source projects[3].
>>
>> Some alternatives off the top of my head to consider:
>> - Debian mailing lists[4],
>> - freedesktop.org, as already mentioned by Yuri,
>> - SourceHut[5] (most likely paid).
>>
>> [1]: http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html
>> [2]: https://osuosl.org/
>> [3]: https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy/
>> [4]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
>> [5]: https://sourcehut.org/
>>
>>
>> Best of luck
>>
>> --
>> Grzegorz
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Re: [Gimp-user] Let's unite the power of all mailing list subscribers who are affected by GNOME's ruling

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

I usually don’t reply to this list I just like to read it I like to watch
ha ha.
Just kidding, but another resource might be the Marc mailing list resource
and archive. I only know about them because I used to follow a lot of
technological groups like Apache server and XML-based technologies. Like
cocoon for example. For anybody who’s ever heard of that but that
technology had a very interested population in graphical technology like
SVG for example. This is a link to the general description of them below.
Thank you for sending in about this I didn’t know they were going to delete
the email list for Gimp. 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARC_(archive)


On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 2:04 PM Grzegorz Szymaszek via gimp-user-list <
gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> FWIW, since a few years, Mutt's mailing lists[1] are hosted at Oregon
> State University Open Source Lab[2]. From my limited experience, this
> solution works quite reliably. In general, they provide hosting of
> mailing lists and other services for free for open source projects[3].
>
> Some alternatives off the top of my head to consider:
> - Debian mailing lists[4],
> - freedesktop.org, as already mentioned by Yuri,
> - SourceHut[5] (most likely paid).
>
> [1]: http://mutt.org/mail-lists.html
> [2]: https://osuosl.org/
> [3]: https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/policy/
> [4]: https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list.en.html
> [5]: https://sourcehut.org/
>
>
> Best of luck
>
> --
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Has a long time Linux user and gimp user on practically every operating
system, Kenny is right this is an accessibility and a disability issue.
My recommendation is that you find a Linux user group in your town if there
is one and contact them, because this is a topic that would be ripe to be
addressed for a users group meeting or meet up. Do you know how people
who’ve never used it before attend the meetings and bring a box with them
and they install Linux on it for you well I’m sure an admin of Lenix can do
it for you in about 10 minutes and show you how to do it if you ever need
to if it’s possible for you.
That’s my two cents. I’m jealous you got To meet Steve Jobs. I actually had
a friend once who is an administrator and a programmer of the graphics
system I worked on at Bell Atlantic that became Verizon, and he was a
programmer in visual basic stuff like that, and then he went on to work at
next computing with Steve Jobs. Those are nice days in the 90s. Have a good
week stay safe.


On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:23 PM Jehan Pagès via gimp-user-list <
gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Hello Kenny,
>
>
>
> First of all, I am sorry to hear about your condition.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately we don't store any compiled package for GIMP on Linux (unlike
>
> Windows/macOS packages). Even our flatpak is quite new (since late GIMP 2.8
>
> releases, if not mistaken). The Flathub repository actually stores an
>
> history of former builds, so it is actually possible to install older
>
> builds (this is quite a hidden feature of Flatpak, very useful for
>
> debugging), but I just checked and the 2.8 builds are long gone because
>
> Flathub only stores up to 25 builds (which makes me think that maybe we
>
> should store standalone Flatpak builds on our download server, but someone
>
> would have to do the work to automatize this as much as possible). So you
>
> are out of luck here.
>
>
>
> Maybe you should be able to get older .deb packages of Linux Mint. Normally
>
> distributions also keep their older packages and there are also some
>
> websites which keep archives of all packages made for various
>
> distributions. So I'm sure GIMP 2.8.x packages for Mint can be found. And
>
> if you are lucky, these older packages can still be installed manually and
>
> work on a newer distribution. You should ask about this on Linux Mint
>
> forums.
>
>
>
> As for the remark of overlooking legacy, I believe GIMP to be quite good on
>
> this actually. We take a lot of care to not break too much older usage, and
>
> rarely remove a feature without implementing first a better alternative,
>
> nor do we change things on a whim without thinking hard about it. Now we
>
> still have to evolve. Caring about compatibility is important, but it
>
> should not mean being stuck in the past. Still I am sorry to read about
>
> such a neurological disorder and I do wish you all the best. If finding an
>
> older GIMP is the best for you, I hope you'll find an older version and
>
> continue doing more of the nice photography artworks you linked earlier. 
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Jehan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:17 PM Kenny Mann via gimp-user-list <
>
> gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just discovered that tools can be ungrouped in GIMP 2.10
>
> > (Sure, I can hold onto the concept that a tool is made visible by looking
>
> > inside the group of related tools, but with my particular cognitive
>
> > disorder, things that aren't visible tend to not exist in any functional
>
> > sense. Imagine if the location of absolutely everything in the world were
>
> > like the last time you lost your keys -- everything, all day, every day,
>
> > your whole life.)
>
> >
>
> > Ungrouping the tools I use regularly makes it possible to have the
> toolbox
>
> > in 2.10 appear as it always has in GIMP 2 -- a major cognitive help.
>
> >
>
> > Oh And: Now I see that the layers tab can be dragged to the set at the
> top
>
> > of the column and the brushes can be dragged to the set at the bottom.
> It's
>
> > nice not having the layers panel disappear until I look where the brushes
>
> > always were and then keep finding the brushes have disappeared until I
>
> > glance upward.
>
> >
>
> > Yes, having things only truly functionally exist when they're in view is
>
> > weird. Be very glad you can take it for granted that things exist in
>
> > locations on routes that you can keep track of without applying total
>
> > conscious effort every single time.
>
> >
>
> > Picture GIMP in your mind's eye. I can't. If you were to ask me where
>
> > things are in GIMP when I don't have the app open, I couldn't tell you,
>
> > even if you offered me an all-expenses-paid trip to Mars.
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 2:50 PM Kenny Mann 
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Why is GIMP 2.8.16 not available?
>
> > >
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP on Chromebooks

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

I’m sure you can do it, all you need to do is look up “gimp on chromebook”
on Google and it shows you how to do it. But there are also online
alternatives that you can use cloud-based photo editing that may not have
all the features of game but might be a lot easier that’s why they don’t
want you to really install software on there because that’s gonna be a
security risk as far as the managing it from their school.
https://www.google.com/search?q=online+gimp+alternatives=UTF-8=UTF-8=en-us=safari
Dan

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 2:39 PM Keith Hamming 
wrote:

> Hi All
>
>
>
> I am a teacher in Michigan and our school is using chromebooks this year. I
>
> was planning to use Gimp but my tech people at school tell me I can't run
>
> Gimp on a chromebook. I read different people online that say I can. Can
>
> GIMP run on a chrome book and, if so, how do I do that?
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for your help!
>
>
>
> Keith Hamming
>
>
>
> Keith Hamming
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Missing files

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

I think it’s because when they moved onto newer versions of Linux they drop
the support for certain packages I looked it up and saw this link it’ll
probably be useful for you. And then the other link is the general search
that I did to find that link

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=253710

https://www.google.com/search?q=gimpfu+lost+debian+update=UTF-8=UTF-8=en-us=safari

Dan 

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:35 AM Frank McCormick  wrote:

>
>
> On 7/27/20 9:53 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> > On Mon, 2020-07-27 at 20:43 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote:
> >> I am using Debian Bullseye and gimp 2.10. Sometime in the distant
> >> past
> >> the resynthesizer plugin stopped loading and working because of the
> >> absence of a library called gimpfu.
> >
> > This is probably from the Python plug-in for GIMP so installing that
> > might help.
> >
> > slave liam
> >
>
>
> As far as I know there is no python plugin for GIMP, at least not in
> the Debian repositories.
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] A problem

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Yeah I meant general use

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 4:48 PM Liam R E Quin  wrote:

> On Fri, 2020-04-03 at 10:32 -0500, Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list
> wrote:
> > Apple invented the desktop
> > 
>
> Actually they pinched it from Xerox, who did invent it.
>
> Unlike Sun and AT, developing the Open Look desktop a while later,
> who licensed it from Xerox (although i don't know the terms of the
> deal).
>
> ankh
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Gimp-user] A problem

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

I was just kind of kidding because I’m sure people thought of it before
that but that was kind of the thing that says Apple apart what is the whole
creation of this interface that people could go and put their file
somewhere and that you would have these different folder sitting right
there on the “desktop“.
And I think that was all part of the lawsuit between Apple and Microsoft
over “windows”.


On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:55 PM Ofnuts  wrote:

> On 03/04/2020 17:32, Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list wrote:
> > Apple invented the desktop
> > 
> >
> And they didn't patent it?
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Re: [Gimp-user] A problem

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Apple invented the desktop



On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 4:24 AM Cliff Pratt via gimp-user-list <
gimp-user-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> On the desktop? That's probably not the best place. Unless that is a
> mac-ism that I don't understand.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:24 PM Bob Letterman  wrote:
>
> > I have used Gimp for years. I just bought a new I-Mac. Best Buy
> > transferred the data to the new, OS Catalina I-Mac from my older I-Mac.
> > Gimp is on there but, it won’t let me open desktop where, of course, all
> my
> > photos are kept?
> >
> > Please help
> >
> > Bob Letterman
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Re: [Gimp-user] Almost no tools working

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

i was looking at the keyboard, thats awfully small,
im just saying it may not have all the same functions on every computer,
but i saw this video, that the keyboard itself may have lost some of the
functions
in transferring from mac to pc, and needs rebooted?
thats a lot of factors. i dont suppose youve tried it with a mouse?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYDmtM_4uUY
dan

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 6:30 AM dancemachinetrait 
wrote:

> I use GIMP 2.10.14. I recently switched from an old Macbook to a PC (HP
> Pavilion) and am having some difficulty in using GIMP.
>
> For health reasons, I use a wireless keyboard rather than the keyboard
> that came
> with my PC. (I need to have the PC raised.) I also use a tablet with a
> stylus.
> The keyboard is a Rii Model RT518. The tablet is a Huion Model H420. Both
> of
> these worked fine with GIMP on my old Macbook, and are working perfectly
> outside
> of GIMP.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to summarise the issue I'm having, as it seems to
> be an
> issue with more or less every tool I try to use. It seems to be
> particularly a
> problem with any tool you have to hold and drag- like Rectangle select,
> Free
> select, or the Pencil tool. I've tried every tool I frequently use on the
> PC
> keyboard, wireless keyboard and tablet. I'm not going to list every single
> one
> of them here, but here are a few examples.
>
> Rectangle select: PC works. Keyboard works. Tablet: The box that should
> make the
> corner of the selection appears, but doesn't expand when I try to drag it.
>
> Free select: PC works. Keyboard works. Tablet: Same issue. I can create
> points
> by tapping, but not create a continuous line by dragging.
>
> Crop: PC doesn't work. Nothing happens when I click and drag. Keyboard:
> Same as
> PC. Tablet: Same issue as Rectangle select: Tablet.
>
> Rotate: PC works. Keyboard works. Tablet: When I hold down the cursor, it
> changes to the icon for the Crop tool.
>
> Text: PC works. Keyboard: Nothing happens when I click and drag. Tablet:
> Same
> issue as Rotate: Rectangle select.
>
> Scale: Works on all three.
>
> Some of these keep changing; some have started working on a device that
> previously they weren't working on (e.g. the Scale tool). There seems to
> be a
> recurring issue with the stylus where when I press down, the cursor icon
> changes
> to whatever tool I used before the one I'm trying to use.
>
> I would really appreciate any help you can give. I'm happy to give more
> information if necessary.
>
>
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Huge image problem

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

How about converting to vector directly from gimp?
https://www.google.com/search?q=convert+gimp+to+vector=UTF-8=UTF-8=en-us=safari


On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 12:21 PM rich404  wrote:

> >Hi,
> >So I am working on a many years long map making project. I am using a
> >scale of 1" to 10 miles and hand drawing it on 9x12" panels of paper.
> >The current size of the map is about 20 by 20 feet. This is obviously
> >too large to see in one place, so I have been using GIMP to panel them
> >together in a digital file. Obviously, this file is getting quite
> >large. I was hoping people might have suggestions on how to reduce the
> >size of the file without reducing the image quality too much. It's
> >only going to get bigger haha. I've got no experience with vector
> >based programs, is that the direction I need to head?
>
> Gimp is a bitmap (raster) editor, works in pixels not feet and inches. It
> can
> display in feet and inches but your individual canvas (tile) depends on
> how it
> is set up with a pixels-per inch (PPI) value.
>
> Since you started many years ago when the default was 72 PPI the tile size
> might
> be 864 x 648 pixels. Then file size also depends on greyscale or colour
> (RGB)
> RGB making larger files than greyscale.
>
> Can you give details - pixel size - grey/RGB/indexed or post one of your
> individual images (a tile)
>
> For a greyscale image one tile might be about 4 MB **in memory** so a
> complete
> 20' x 20' image 500+ tiles might be 2 GB - look at the bottom of the Gimp
> window
> for size in memory. Colour will be larger again. Not impossible for a
> modern
> computer but probably slow-as-a-snail for manipulating. Obviously when
> saved,
> the file is compressed and smaller.
>
> Making smaller? The only way in Gimp is scale each tile down (or the
> whole) but
> that will result in degradation of the image.
>
> Use SVG? Inkscape can convert a raster image to a vector but it all
> depends on
> the image. Better chance with line drawings than colour images. A vector
> should
> be smaller than the corresponding bitmap and of course scales up and down
> without loss of quality.
>
> Stitching together in Inkscape? Never tried 500+ images before. Do not
> know if
> practical or possible.
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Font disappeared

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Have you recently upgraded the OS?
Or any other software?
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7494544?answerId=29921455022#29921455022

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2018, at 8:31 AM, totte22  wrote:
> 
> Libre Franklin Blank
> font
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Re: [Gimp-user] Layer groups seriously broken - huge resource hog

[Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list]

Also, I have found in graphics the more cores you can have, the better. 
Dan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:13 AM, BWK  wrote:
> 
> I doubt you've ever tried doing a selection rectangle to that size and getting
> it exactly the right size and boundaries. It is a very slow and fiddly
> operation.
> 
>> Layer groups internally create a virtual layer representing their
>> entire composited contents to speed up overall rendering of the image
>> (at the topmost levels); a similar thing already occurs when you have
>> a project containing text layers.
>> 
>> 
>> Alternatively, you mentioned your process involves resizing the image
>> canvas as a means to 'crop' a given portion of the image out to a JPG?
>> If this is your only performance bottleneck then finding a way to
>> avoid that step should work around the issue entirely.  How about
>> trying these steps instead?
>> 
>> 1- Create a rectangle selection of the desired export size (e.g.
>> 4800x7200) at the desired location in the image
>> 
>> 2- Edit > "Copy Visible" (copies from all rendered layers)
>> 
>> 3- Paste as New Image
>> 
>> 4- Export
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Stratadrake
>> strata_ran...@hotmail.com
>> 
>> Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth.
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Color Fonts`

[Daniel Smith]

Remember too that in case you're doing this type thing for the web that you
can do some wild text styles with JavaScript or css etc.
Dan
http://www.google.com/search?q=css+JavaScript+font+animations=

On Jun 6, 2017 2:28 PM, "Carol Spears"  wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 11:36 PM, Samuel Martin  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've recently become aware of color fonts like these<
> > https://designshack.net/articles/typography/color-
> fonts-a-beginners-guide/
> > >.
> >
> > Are they supported in GIMP, and if not will they be?
> >
> > I can see how those could get real ugly real fast!
>
> GIMP as I know it cannot render these fonts as expected.
>
> Probably support for this belongs to Inkscape.  That being said by someone
> who is just guessing.  I am pretty sure that GIMP does not work with SVG as
> fonts.
>
> More than this, I saw a very beautiful web page made with GTM (GIMP Table
> Magic) so long ago.  Some of those font renderings really reminded me of
> this.
>
> carol
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Re: [Gimp-user] Cleaning up a Blueprint

[Daniel Smith]

This is just my two cents but I used to work in graphics for ten years now
I do construction hopefully not too much longer 
But this seems to be a continual issue, the art haha of the office computer
ops vs reality of jobsite people getting and or using and or contributing
to prints etc.
My immediate reaction is why don't they furnish you with same program this
print was made in so you can perhaps delete in sections or categories if u
get my gist. But that might make your job quicker if not unnecessary. But
also it would give the ability to offer other options or versions of the
plan later if it was saved at diff stages, which will likely be requested.
The life of construction is based I have found around mistakes changes and
rework, some vast in scope. Good luck in your job,
Dan

On Mar 12, 2017 7:41 PM, "Ofnuts"  wrote:

> On 12/03/17 03:42, fender6strat wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I'm new to photo editing, especially gimp so I was hoping to get some help
>> with this. My new job would require me to scrub images like this down on a
>> somewhat regular basis (down to bare floor plan), what would be the best
>> way to
>> go about it? Basically I just need to delete all of the black, but when I
>> try to
>> the edges stay gray (Inherent to BMP's I'd guess). Also when I select
>> just the
>> black, after I delete it the selectors stay visible. Any help would be
>> appreciated and I apologize for my ignorance. Thanks. PS, if there Isn't
>> enough
>> resolution in the picture I could host one else where.
>>
>> Attachments:
>> * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/505/original/floorplan.jpg
>>
>> You can change all the black to white by just applying the right curves:
>
> http://imgur.com/aYXdEdE
>
> (the peak around 138 is the gray lines in your plan). Of course you get
> white gaps in the gray lines
>
> You can also change the grey to something darker in the same operation, by
> using a different curve:
>
> http://imgur.com/92N73QW
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Re: [Gimp-user] Retrieving Graphic Designs From Crashed Hard Drive (How To)

[Daniel Smith]

you didnt say whether you were on windows or mac, but i would search your
pc for the name of any files you know the name that you saved it to. that
will show you the folder(s) where all or some of the files are. if i were
you i'd try to install the same version that you were using so it makes a
replica of the previous install, then just try copying the whole folder
replacing the new similar one etc. try that and see. make a backup on disk
or thumb drive to make sure you dont lost it if something goes wrong.
dan

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:13 PM, curbstone9  wrote:

> Old Hard Drive crashed. Many GIMP graphic designs on disk.
>
> Have new Hard Drive, and external case for old drive folder/design recovery
> (if possible).
>
> My Questions:
> 1. Where do I look on the old hard drive for the designs? Which
> folder/subfolder?
> 2. If I find my designs -- where do I move them TO on the new hard drive
> (Gimp 2.8.20 installed) so I can use them again?
>
> Am I out of luck -- or is recovery possible?
>
> Thanks VERY much for any assistance.
>
> Bill Landry
> skippercdru...@gmail.com
>
>
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: Conserving layer groups in mockup export

[Daniel]

Le 14/12/2016 à 12:35, Daniel a écrit :
> Le 13/12/2016 à 11:46, Ofnuts a écrit :
>> On 13/12/16 10:58, Daniel wrote:
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I'm working on creating multi-layer website mockups using layer groups
>>> to organize the elements of each section (header, menu, footer, etc).
>>> The client would like the mockups in PSD format, but the PSD export
>>> function flattens the layer groups, so during the conversion of the PSD
>>> to HTML/CSS the developer won't be able to extract/isolate individual
>>> elements (images/icons/etc) in the layer groups if they want to. I
>>> already looked into exporting a multi-layer TIFF from Gimp, but that is
>>> not currently supported.
>>>
>>> I've got access to a copy of Photoshop, but I barely know how to use it
>>> except for recreating the layer groups, so using it for doing the
>>> mockups is not an option.
>>>
>>> My idea for a workaround is to not use layer groups in Gimp and just
>>> have all the elements in layers without any hierarchy, then export to
>>> PSD, then in Photoshop open the file and create layer groups and
>>> reorganize the elements as I normally would in Gimp. This solution takes
>>> more time and is less organized during the creation of the mockups in
>>> Gimp since I'll have no layer groups, but it is not the end of the
>>> world, and maybe the only workable solution.
>>>
>>> I'd love to know how others work through this type of issue. Anyone have
>>> any suggestions?
>> If you are just using groups to keep related things together and not
>> for specific compositing order,
>> a possible solution is to use a script in Gimp to un-group everything
>> before exporting. 
> Thanks for your reply. If possible I'd like the file I export from Gimp
> to open in Photoshop with all the layer groups intact. No one else has
> done this or needed to do this? This would be easy if the TIFF export
> supported layer groups because I could just open the TIFF in PS
> directly. This seems like the optimal solution for me.
>
> If it is confirmed that there is no way to do that today, I'll fall back
> to the manual recreation. In that case I totally agree that doing an
> un-group just before exporting to PSD will allow me to work with the
> layer groups in Gimp, which I prefer. I see there is a plugin which
> ungroups layer groups which I could use.
>
> Daniel
Hey all,

I wanted to let everyone know the solution I found to my problem and
hopefully help others searching online for the same problem.

I stumbled upon the open-source drawing/painting program Krita
(krita.org) which is capable of reading XCF files and exporting PSD
files with all layer groups and layers intact. I do all my work in Gimp
with all my layers and layer groups, then I open the file in Krita and
export in PSD format. I'm very happy with the result.

I'm wondering if the Gimp developers would be interested in adopting the
portion of the Krita code (under the GPL) which keeps the layers and
layer groups when doing a PSD export.

Hope this helps others!

-Daniel
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP forgets I'm using a tablet mid-project.

[Daniel]

I don't understand what you're trying to demonstrate.  Would you mind 
narrating what I'm supposed to be observing?


On 12/29/2016 01:04 AM, Freaksake wrote:

look
https://youtu.be/WHNv6H3dVhY
look at it and please help



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[Gimp-user] Fwd: Re: Conserving layer groups in mockup export

[Daniel]

Le 13/12/2016 à 11:46, Ofnuts a écrit :
> On 13/12/16 10:58, Daniel wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I'm working on creating multi-layer website mockups using layer groups
>> to organize the elements of each section (header, menu, footer, etc).
>> The client would like the mockups in PSD format, but the PSD export
>> function flattens the layer groups, so during the conversion of the PSD
>> to HTML/CSS the developer won't be able to extract/isolate individual
>> elements (images/icons/etc) in the layer groups if they want to. I
>> already looked into exporting a multi-layer TIFF from Gimp, but that is
>> not currently supported.
>>
>> I've got access to a copy of Photoshop, but I barely know how to use it
>> except for recreating the layer groups, so using it for doing the
>> mockups is not an option.
>>
>> My idea for a workaround is to not use layer groups in Gimp and just
>> have all the elements in layers without any hierarchy, then export to
>> PSD, then in Photoshop open the file and create layer groups and
>> reorganize the elements as I normally would in Gimp. This solution takes
>> more time and is less organized during the creation of the mockups in
>> Gimp since I'll have no layer groups, but it is not the end of the
>> world, and maybe the only workable solution.
>>
>> I'd love to know how others work through this type of issue. Anyone have
>> any suggestions?
>
> If you are just using groups to keep related things together and not
> for specific compositing order,
> a possible solution is to use a script in Gimp to un-group everything
> before exporting. 
Thanks for your reply. If possible I'd like the file I export from Gimp
to open in Photoshop with all the layer groups intact. No one else has
done this or needed to do this? This would be easy if the TIFF export
supported layer groups because I could just open the TIFF in PS
directly. This seems like the optimal solution for me.

If it is confirmed that there is no way to do that today, I'll fall back
to the manual recreation. In that case I totally agree that doing an
un-group just before exporting to PSD will allow me to work with the
layer groups in Gimp, which I prefer. I see there is a plugin which
ungroups layer groups which I could use.

Daniel
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[Gimp-user] Conserving layer groups in mockup export

[Daniel]

Hey all,

I'm working on creating multi-layer website mockups using layer groups
to organize the elements of each section (header, menu, footer, etc).
The client would like the mockups in PSD format, but the PSD export
function flattens the layer groups, so during the conversion of the PSD
to HTML/CSS the developer won't be able to extract/isolate individual
elements (images/icons/etc) in the layer groups if they want to. I
already looked into exporting a multi-layer TIFF from Gimp, but that is
not currently supported.

I've got access to a copy of Photoshop, but I barely know how to use it
except for recreating the layer groups, so using it for doing the
mockups is not an option.

My idea for a workaround is to not use layer groups in Gimp and just
have all the elements in layers without any hierarchy, then export to
PSD, then in Photoshop open the file and create layer groups and
reorganize the elements as I normally would in Gimp. This solution takes
more time and is less organized during the creation of the mockups in
Gimp since I'll have no layer groups, but it is not the end of the
world, and maybe the only workable solution.

I'd love to know how others work through this type of issue. Anyone have
any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,
Daniel
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[Gimp-user] No Filenames Recognized By Gimp

[Daniel Banks]

Gimp will not open any file type other than it's own native format. It 
will not recognize and open a .JPG or .GIF, for example. Also, it will 
not allow me to export a .XCF file with to any other extension/filetype. 
There are no filename extensions listed in the File Type box under By 
Extension. It is blank.  I have completely uninstalled the program, 
including the .gimp-2.8 folderin my Profile folder. I have done this 
several times with no change in the behavior. I even tried replacing my 
own plug-ins folder with someone else's plug-ins folder who's Gimp 
install was working properly.


This issue began with the upgrade to 2.8. This is on a Windows 7 64-bit 
system. Can someone please help me figure this out so that I can get 
Gimp working properly again? Thank you!!



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Re: [Gimp-user] ubuntu PPA additional

[Daniel Smith]

Can I ask if you notice any appreciable diff with subunit and the plasma vs
ubuntu,?
Thanks
Dan
On Jul 15, 2016 10:43 AM, "rich"  wrote:

> Sam Ashley  mailnew.com> writes:
>
> >
> > Sorry this time I forgot to add that I'd like to use a version of gimp
> > that features more than 8 bits/color, hence my questions about PPA or
> > compiling.
> >
> > And forgot to say that I'm using ubuntu studio 16.04 64 bit.
> >
> > Thanks again, and for the wonderful gimp.
> >
>
> This is the page and details of the packages.
> https://launchpad.net/~otto-kesselgulasch/+archive/ubuntu/gimp-edge
>
> Instructions are on the page but I advise uninstalling your existing Gimp
> 2.8
> packages first.
>
> then
>
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:otto-kesselgulasch/gimp-edge
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install gimp
>
> Note: Unlike Gimp 2.8 the Gimp profile is  ~/.config/GIMP/2.9
>
> I run this in a kubuntu 16.04 64 bit - no real problems
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[Gimp-user] ufraw

[Daniel Glueck]

I want to load photos from my Canon.  They are already on the Mac in CR2 
format. When I try to open one I get a bunch of errors about tiff’s. Huh?

How to enable/load/whatever AFRAW. Is it really bundled with my download? How 
do I know this? What menu to go to? Nothing in Help or anything in the program 
says ANYTHING about plug-ins.

I’m not one of you techno-weenies, I don’t want to “build”, or compile 
anything. I just want to play with my photographs.


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Re: [Gimp-user] enhance logo for large print

[Daniel]

On 12/24/2015 06:03 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:


On 12/24/2015 10:43 AM, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:10:26 +0100, carvar wrote:


Ask whoever designed the logo to give you the original vector file.

Big help :)

I'm serious - the only way to "enhance" it is to redraw it, and it's
probably cheaper to just ask the designer for the original.


Jernej is right:  A logo "wants to be" a vector graphic file,
because over its lifespan it may be used in many contexts (four
color printing, offset printing, silk screen, laser engraving,
etc.), and at many scales (anything from package labelling to book
covers to outdoor signs).  A vector file such as an SVG one can be
scaled, rotated, etc. as needed and just "dropped into" any other
art in progress, or supplied to any shop from a printer to a sign
maker for use by them.

Whoever originally created the logo "should have" given the source
file(s) to the logo's owner; it is possible that the client was
given these files and promptly lost them.  It may not be too late to
find those files, or find whoever made the logo and ask for a copy
of it.

Failing that, I would import the image into Inksacpe and use it as a
guide to create a vector copy.  This amounts to "tracing" the
available image using closed Bezier curves, then filling the closed
curves with gradients in colors picked from the sample image.  Once
finished delete the bitmap image, save the file in SVG format, and
the logo problem is solved "for all time", or at least until the
client loses it again.

You could do essentially the same thing in the GIMP, using the Paths
tool set to re-create the logo on layers above the bitmap image you
have in hand.  Again, you would be creating closed curves and
filling them with gradients.  But the resulting source file would
not be nearly as "universal" for future applications as an SVG file
made with Inkscape.

I recently did something similar for a friend who was rebuilding
some old machine tools, reconstructing the original labels from the
best available photographs.  This screen shot somewhat illustrates
the process in progress:

http://pilobilus.net/xfer/vector-tracing.png

:o)

I hate to be one of those "me too" folks, but Steve is 100% right and 
also correct in indicating that Inkscape is the more proper tool for the 
job.


I have spent hours on end converting graphics from bitmap to vector so 
that I could acquire very scalable and flexible images.  Blurs and all 
manner of effects can still be managed and maintained.  Now if you 
happen to absolutely prefer Gimp, you can use it in the tracing process 
as you create paths for export.  Those paths can then be imported into 
Inkscape for polishing.

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[Gimp-user] Download to Windows

[Daniel Del Carlo]

Downloaded and installed fine but did not drop the icon on Desktop; any
ideas why?

 

Del Carlo Engineering

PO Box 14581

Santa Rosa, CA  95402

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Re: [Gimp-user] What causes random (in error) image color-inverting of TIFFs, over time? Is it correctable?

[Daniel Smith]

when you say youre seeing thison a web page,
can i ask what type of system yure serving the pages with?
wordpress etc? or is it an image generation with php or something?
thanks
dan

On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Jay Smith j...@jaysmith.com wrote:

 Greetings fellow Gimp Users,

 I make images using Gimp, but I assume that this question is not really
 Gimp specific.

 I have tens of thousands of images (postage stamps) on my site.  Every now
 and then when I am looking at a page I discover that the image (a JPEG) has
 had is colors sort of inverted.  The JPEGs were created in large batches
 by a script from UNcompressed TIFF images.  When I go back and look at the
 the original TIFF, I discover that its colors are sort of inverted --
 thus the JPEG is a correct rendition of the appearance of its TIFF source.

 Thus the problem is in the TIFF.  But, the problem happens now and then,
 over the course of years.  The TIFFs are _not_ being intentionally
 manipulated in that time.  The images was originally okay, now its not.  It
 seems to be completely random, just one image here and there.

 Somehow the TIFF is getting corrupted.  I am assuming by a memory error or
 a disk/RAID controller error, or such.  The images are still openable in
 Gimp.

 This is only happening to one out perhaps one out of five thousand images,
 every five years.  (I am just *guessing* at the error rate because I only
 find out about them by randomly coming across them.) But, if I have 40,000
 images, that is eight images destroyed every five years.  (And often I am
 not able to replace the image because I no longer have the item.)

 This example image was originally created in 2006.  I suspect (mostly
 guessing) that it was corrupted sometime since 2010.  There is no reason
 that it would have been edited since that time and file modification
 information shows nothing since 2006.

 On Ubuntu Linux, using identify -verbose filename.tif I can read the
 header information.  The only odd thing (to my eye) is that the create date
 is 2011 and the modification date is 2006:

 Properties:
 date:create: 2011-09-13T11:30:24-04:00
 date:modify: 2006-12-21T00:53:03-05:00

 I am guessing that means the corruption may have happened in 2011, even
 though the filesystems own file datestamp is 2006 and the lsattr command
 shows nothing unusual.


 Here is example of a) the resulting JPEG (just to illustrate the nature of
 the corruption); b) a similar JPEG to show generally what it is supposed to
 look like; c) the corrupted TIFF.

 Corrupted:

 http://jsa.viewimage.net/jsa/web/Lists/Denmark/AdPairs/Spec/re02-pair_used-vf-b_136468_r_l.jpg

 Correct image of a similar, but different item:

 http://jsa.viewimage.net/jsa/web/Lists/Denmark/AdPairs/Spec/re02-pair_used-vf-a_136467_r_l.jpg

 This is the TIFF file (corrupted, but viewable in Gimp; colors are
 sort-of-inverted)  Size 496 KB:
 http://jsa.viewimage.net/temp/gimp/re02-pair_used-vf-b_136468.tif

 My primary question is whether there is a particular bit that is getting
 flipped that could be unflipped by some sort of non-visual editing of
 the source TIFF file?

 My secondary question is whether or not other people have seen this type
 of problem crop up in large image libraries and what the causes have been?

 Any thoughts appreciated.

 Jay
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[Gimp-user] Rosie Hardy's artwork

[Daniel Doyle]

Hello guys and gals,

Not sure whether this is the right place to email this but just thought you
might like to check out http://www.rosiehardy.com/, I'm pretty sure she
uses GIMP exclusively and her photo's are fantastic

Cheers
Daniel Doyle
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Re: [Gimp-user] Processing RAW pics?

[Daniel Smith]

can anyone say whether they have had
operations that compare in any way to Lightroom?
Thanks Dan

On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:

 1 янв. 2015 г. 18:28 пользователь Dutchbert for...@gimpusers.com
 написал:
 
  Please install UFRaw from ufraw.sf.net.
  
  Alex
   1 янв. 2015 г. 18:18 пользователь Dutchbert for...@gimpusers.com
  написал:
 
  I have looked at UFRaw, but the maker himself says the plug-in does not
 work
  with GIMP 2.8.

 It even works with GIMP from unstable branch. Why would it not work with
 v2.8?

 Alex
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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp

[Daniel Hauck]

That's okay, the GiMP will get by without you.  But you're right about 
many things.  Among these is that it is written, maintained and directed 
by tech people with the notion that they are taking on the big boys and 
that they have a professional workflow in mind as they continue to 
develop. One problem, though, as they have demonstrated time and time 
again, GiMP does not take complaints or suggestions.


This is where they completely miss the professional goal.  Users and 
customers are considered to be valuable in the professional world and it 
doesn't matter if the software is free or not.


For what it's worth, I personally find GiMP easier than Photoshop.  But 
then again, I started on GiMP and Inkscape before trying Photoshop and 
Illustrator.  Easy and Intuitive has a lot to do with where you 
started.  I started with those for graphics and in a larger sense, I 
started with *NIX before Linux was ever announced and never used GUIs 
until much later in the game and followed the principles and ideals of 
effective GUI design closely since then.  GiMP breaks some of those 
rules but, as you might guess, they ignore complaints and suggestions.  
They keep using words like professional and workflow but I don't think 
they mean what they think they mean.


Be cautioned: there are a fair number of cheerleaders out there, and 
they aren't hard to spot.


Enjoy your experiences with Photoshop.  I've never used wine in that way 
before and I've heard it has really matured.  It has gotten me thinking 
that perhaps the best way for me to get the latest GiMP to work on the 
latest CentOS is to use wine and GiMP for Windows.  I can't get it 
working terribly well under CentOS because of GTK compatibility issues.  
(I have recently learned this introduction of DLL hell was intentionally 
created in order to kill GNOME2.  Taking a page from Microsoft's 
playbook?  I guess they missed the part where such tactics are largely 
why people HATE MICROSOFT.)


On 03/13/2014 12:15 PM, Full Name wrote:

You know... I just wanted to express my concern of Gimp and if you're not the 
right person than pass it on.

I have been using Linux since 1999 and have used Gimp for many years now and I 
am at the point of
discontinuing the use of it.

First I will give a positive... It's about time Gimp has been made into a 
ONE-WINDOW application!!!
Took you people long enough. I have always loved the EASE of gimp in the 
beginning all the way up
until about version 2.0 - after that, it started going down hill.

This program used to be easy to work with and was somewhat user-friendly. Today 
on the other hand, it is
FAR from being user-friendly. But I am sure you people have not one clue of 
this as you continue down
that path. I have SEVERAL friends on Linux including family members as I have 
set most of them up on
Netrunner-OS and Zorin. NO ONE I have gotten into Linux, likes your Gimp 
program. Today, I myself am
having a hard time figuring out Gimp... because it gets completely changed with 
each new release!! I
have BETTER things to do than to RE-LEARN a program with every new release.

Anyone can tell that Gimp is created by the techie programmers FOR the techie 
programmers because
anyone I have introduced this program to recently has quickly found that it is 
a piece of worthless, UN-
user friendly Crap and have decided to uninstall it from their computers for 
good. Things that should
be very easy to implement are either hidden for some ridiculous reason or you 
programmers simply
have no freaking clue what the hell it is you’re doing!! Just because you can 
program, doesn't make you
any more smart than anyone else. Because it is obvious you have no idea what it 
take TO design a
program for the people.

Whatever...
Now I am having to install Photoshop on all computers using wine and thanks to 
YOU, it has caused me
a great deal of work. As I am a big supporter of open source software amongst 
my group of friends and
family... plus those I newly meet... most seem to want to go back to the 
spy-wares like MicroTrash and
Crapple and I find it a task to keep them all on Linux. YOU however,... make my 
job SO MUCH harder!!!

Just wanted to THANK YOU for being true morons who happen to eat, sleep and 
shit behind your
computers to create garbage that makes my life all that much harder. THANKS SO 
MUCH ~ NOT!!!

Have a nice day~
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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

[Daniel Hauck]

On 01/15/2014 12:47 AM, Bob Long wrote:
Sorry, I don't follow... Why can't you simply open a .png file in GIMP 
2.8 that was created earlier (and then close it, without any prompts, 
if you've made no changes)? 


It's simple, really.  GiMP has an image problem.  Like so many other 
F/OSS projects, people out there think of it as a toy because it doesn't 
cost a whole lot of money and doesn't have a giant name behind it.  (You 
know, like Cisco or VMware -- both of which base their products on 
Linux, a F/OSS toy.)  So in order to fight that perception, the 
project must adopt a philosophy that every action done with GiMP is a 
project and that the [professional] user's data must be guarded 
against the user's own mistakes at every possible moment.


GiMP is not an image viewer.  GiMP is not a simple image manipulation 
program.  It is a serious project tool which must have a workflow which 
reflects that.  Otherwise people will not take it or its contributors 
seriously.  This is about ego, not about simplicity or convenience or 
efficiency.

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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

[Daniel Hauck]

It does not matter what anyone else thinks.  That part should be clear.  
It doesn't matter what people want.  That much should be clear.


What matters is the perception of the perception of the program in 
question.  (Yes, I said perception twice like that)  Some people think a 
thing needs to be more proper (as defined by that person) and/or more 
professional (as defined by that person).  The only thing that matters 
is the perception of that person.  Nothing else and no one else matters.


Also, to change and backtrack now? After all this time of people begging 
and complaining?  It would just be admitting someone is wrong and it 
would be unseemly now to back down in any way.  Not after all this.


I think my favorite argument against user preference options is that 
it's too hard and complicated.  GiMP is already a masterpiece of 
complexity and effectiveness.  Writing in an additional user preference 
is somehow too much though.




On 01/04/2014 08:32 AM, Wolfgang Hugemann wrote:
I also find GIMP's save-as behaviour very strange, but I have 
understood that there is no use in longer discussion about that. For 
the future I have two suggestions:


1) Allow for more user preferences.
Why not leave the choice to me whether I would like to be warned when 
saving in a lossy format? The discussion has at least pointed out that 
workflows are a very personal matter. I have so far never saved any 
file in Gimp's native format.


2) Nowadays it is rather easy to organise a questionaire via the 
Internet.
The developers could thus find out about users' expectations and 
preferences more easily then in former times. Well, I guess this 
approach also has its shortcomings, but one could try. Didn't the Open 
Office developers proceed this way lately?


Wolfgang Hugemann
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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

[Daniel Hauck]

You know, when you put it that way, I have to concede your point.  There 
are some things in future-GiMP which are more important than a UI 
change.  (Though I dare say few as trivial as the UI change under 
discussion.)


But we, the users, aren't asking for something new.  We're asking for 
something that was there but is no longer.



On 01/04/2014 02:54 PM, Burnie West wrote:

On 01/04/2014 04:17 AM, Simon Budig wrote:

qelvin5500 (qelvin5...@gmail.com) wrote:

*Creating pictures* is a job, developing a software to create these
picture is a different job.

Developing GIMP is a Hobby, not a Job.

Bye,
 Simon
Whether a job or a hobby, prioritizing effectively is probably *MOST* 
important.


In this regard, voluminous postings that are distracting and 
*UNNECESSARY*  is *ALWAYS* counterproductive.


Any posting that starts I understand that the developers are --- is 
counterproductive.


The notion that the marvelously effective GIMP developers were unaware 
of the discomfort this UI change would produce was gainsaid in earlier 
postings in this and related threads; I would encourage all those who 
are fans of GIMP and would like to have the ever-changing developer 
group get on with their priorities: please back off and let them be. I 
*WANT* CMYK; I *WANT* high-bit-depth; I *WANT* more robust undo 
history; I *WANT* more intuitive UI; I *WANT* a smoother work flow; I 
*WANT* - - -


I will not mention what my priorities are, but I can understand that 
the large community of users is likely to have a large number of 
subgroups each of which would agree on a profoundly different set of 
priorities than many of the other subgroups.


I am reminded of a comedian's remark some decades ago: I wish those 
people who can't communicate would SHUT UP ABOUT IT.


 -- Burnie

PS - I apologize for distracting any members of the worldwide GIMP 
community who dislike being bothered by threads like these - please 
forgive.

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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

[Daniel Hauck]

Come on.  I just cited numerous examples.  For example, while there is 
no reason it can't be done otherwise, up on a map is always north and 
down is south.  If your in the southern hemisphere, there's no reason 
they should feel like their maps shouldn't depict their location to be 
at the top.  But we don't usually do that because of expectations. 
Expectations, like units of measure and orientations and layouts and 
functions of controls work best because they fall within expectations 
which results is less confusion.  (NASA knows all about that where they 
have had issues mixing the Imperial and metric systems before.)


People who have gone through great trouble to create improved keyboards 
and keyboard layouts can't seem to get beyond the human reality that 
keyboards are laid out inefficiently for legacy reasons but the cost of 
change is too high and too demanding. Even if something is better in 
some way, change is worse especially in cases like these.


Better is a tricky thing.  In the world of machines, better is usually 
pretty obvious.  But in the world of people, it's another matter.  All 
this feedback should be evidence enough of that.


On 01/02/2014 08:22 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On 2 January 2014 19:52, Daniel Hauck wrote:
I think you're missing the point.  MOST users, just as with almost all other
software, do not use the advanced features of advanced software.

Frankly, this is the first time I hear about a culture where it's
socially acceptable nay desirable to lower the bar.

Alexandre
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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

[Daniel Hauck]

Actually there is a crucial point of workflows that you are missing.  In 
order to make workflows work well for everyone, everything should be 
done in approximately the same way.  Each function in a GUI should use 
similar hotkeys, similar menu functions and all that.  This was a well 
established reality of what we call intuitive meaning we already know 
what to expect.  Save in every program should behave like Save in 
most other programs.  Save As... enhances save to enable someone to 
make changes in the name, location or format... just like in all other 
programs.  This is the idea behind a unified GUI design and has been key 
to the success and adoption and usability of almost every program out there.


To make a car analogy, there is a reason why they are laid out the way 
they are.  For example, every car has a steering wheel and not a yoke 
and not a lever.  There was a time when that wasn't the case.  Care to 
guess why that changed?  There's a reason the manual (standard?) 
transmission was set up the way it was as well.  There were any number 
of ways it could have been done and different car makers actually did 
lay their pedals out in different layouts.  Many of them argued that one 
layout was better than another.  But at the end of the day, standard 
layout, design and behavior won out for the very same reasons GUI 
layout, design and behavior does.


What's more?  You probably use a standard keyboard layout even though 
there are more efficient ways to lay your keys out.  Why is that?  And 
why shouldn't your keyboard be changed out for each program you use 
while we're at it?


And here's the real issue why it's still a real issue.  When one program 
does something so very differently from all the others in your 
workflows, that one program represents a requirement to stop and think 
which is, in fact, an interruption... of workflows.


Now it's not an interruption if you ONLY use GiMP.  But since you're 
running an email program or a browser right now, chances are pretty good 
you do more than GiMP.  So you probably already know what I'm talking 
about.  So instead of letting you choose how to respond, let's just cut 
to the core purpose of this splinter in the fingers of so many users:


What is it that GiMP is attempting to accomplish with this departure 
from standard behavior?  What was broken before that is fixed with this 
change?  It's my understanding that it's so a lot of work on a project 
isn't lost through an accidental save... an accident which happens 
because of standard, default behaviors such as Ctrl+S saving in the 
format of the original file, overwriting the original file.  Frankly, 
this is what I would consider to be an Amateur mistake to 
make...something professionals learn not to do -- usually the hard way.



To Joao:

As for being warned that data may be lost?  That part of normal behavior 
for quite a few programs and this is completely acceptable behavior.  If 
GiMP did that, it would also be acceptable but only if there were 
advanced features of the editing that might need to be saved such as 
multiple layers or a mask or alpha channel.  And you skipped right past 
my point so I will ask it as direct and simple questions:


Do you believe most uses of GiMP is a full blown project?  You know, 
with hours of work going into them?


Do you think most users of GiMP are more casual users who just want to 
crop, resize or otherwise make simple changes to their images?  (It 
would be pointless to say 'then they should use something else because 
GiMP is far more powerful, blah blah blah' because even Photoshop users 
use it casually despite its bloated size and enormous capability.)


So it really comes back to what's broken about the normal way of doing 
things?



On 01/02/2014 07:45 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

On 01/02/2014 06:17 PM, akovia wrote:


I've watched these threads come an go and I must be missing something.
When this new behavior first arrived, like everyone else I was used to
the old way and having to learn a new work-flow is never fun. Regardless
I just figured this was the way it was going to be so I adopted it
immediately. At this point I can't even remember exactly how things used
to work as the new way is now ingrained in my work-flow. What is so hard
about Ctrl+o to overwrite, or Shift-Ctrl+e to export?

B-B-B-But, control-e just isn't the same!  They say it's the same
but it isn't.

If I do control-e to save my image as a JPEG, then try to close the
file...

I have to, to, to discard the state of the image in the editor!

They make me alt-d to close the image!

THEY MAKE ME PRESS ALT-D TO CLOSE THE IMAGE!

WAAA!!! 

WHY, WHY, WHY in the name of God have they done this to me?

WHY did they have to RUIN my LIFE?!

/rant

:o)

Steve



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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

[Daniel Hauck]

If I intended it only for you, why would you be so rude as to publish 
something I wrote only to you in a public list?


On 01/02/2014 08:04 PM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:

On 2 January 2014 19:52, Daniel Hauck dan...@yacg.com wrote:

I think you're missing the point.  MOST users, just as with almost all other
software, do not use the advanced features of advanced software.  I see it
all the time.  I see people load up MS Word to check the spelling of
something else (copy and paste) of programs which do not support that
feature. And this amazing gold standard professional software like Adobe
Photoshop and MS Word and lots more allow people to save in formats which
are lossy.

ok. Stop there.
open a txt file with ms word.Not a .doc, docx, odt.
click file-save.
Read what it tells you. I rest the case.

There is nothing advanced in preserving
the editing information of one's project.

(Now, I actually had not  used ms word since, like, 1997. But I suppose
it won't overwrite your txt file without telling you a thing or two about
the file format you are using. Libreoffice won't.  )



BTW, did you intend this rather unconstructive message just for me, or
for the whole list?
The GIMP lists are configured in a way the default reply goes only to
the sender.

  js
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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

[Daniel Hauck]

No, I don't think so because this isn't a democratic situation.  What 
you think rules out over what many others independently think and agree 
upon.


But let me ask you this and I'll shut up.  Do you use a Dvorak keyboard 
or a Querty?  And why?


It's a loaded question, of course.  If you answer Dvorak, you win.  But 
if you answer Querty, you lose because the world knows querty was 
inefficient by design and yet we continue to use it for the very reasons 
I have stated and that you implicitly and in practice agree.



On 01/02/2014 08:58 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

Daniel,

We've been through this argument about standards many times. Do you really
think this time you are going to finally win?

(The answer is no, by the way.)

Alexandre
03 янв. 2014 г. 5:50 пользователь Daniel Hauck dan...@yacg.com написал:


Yes and I'm pretty sure most people are getting what I'm driving at --
standards of function, design and behavior.



On 01/02/2014 08:44 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:


Are we still talking about GIMP?

Alexandre

03 ���. 2014 �. 5:36  Daniel Hauck ���:


Come on.  I just cited numerous examples.  For example, while there is no


reason it can't be done otherwise, up on a map is always north and
down
is south...
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Re: [Gimp-user] gimp users matter

[Daniel Hauck]

Nice spin.  Yes, it was for mechanical reasons and to prevent the arms 
which had letters slamming against the ribbon and paper at a single 
point from hitting each other. Original layouts were based on 
convenience based on logical notions such as alphabetic order and 
frequency of use.  The unfortunate reality was that it conflicted with 
the mechanics of typing.  There can be no doubt that it was designed to 
work with character frequency by spreading it out and making it less 
likely for collisions to occur.


Other keyboard layouts contradict your notion that spreading keys out 
speeds things up in any way.  The Dvorak layout has enjoyed a level of 
success and fandom precisely because it is faster among the proficient 
users than querty among proficient users.  Querty was designed to pace 
keyboard entry.  It can't be paced without being slowed.


Quoting wikipedia is almost always problematic as wikipedia is prone to 
edit wars and strong opinions and positions.  It would be better to cite 
the references cited by wikipedia and in the absence of references, 
requisite grains of salt are recommended.


In any case, if Wikipedia is a great source of fact, then you probably 
also noticed mention of keyboard entry methods which are most certainly 
more efficient and speedy including stenotype and plover.



On 01/02/2014 10:35 PM, Simon Budig wrote:

Daniel Hauck (dan...@yacg.com) wrote:

But if you answer Querty, you lose because the world knows querty
was inefficient by design

May I quote Wikipedia?

Contrary to popular belief, the QWERTY layout was not designed to
slow the typist down, but rather to speed up typing by preventing
jams. (There is also evidence that, aside from the issue of
jamming, keys being further apart increases typing speed on its own,
because it encourages alternation between the hands.

The whole discussion suffers from well known facts being pulled out of
thin air, and this is not a single bit different.

Bye,
 Simon


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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel]

On Fri, 2013-08-09 at 21:02 +0200, Ofnuts wrote:
 On 08/09/2013 12:42 PM, pitibonom wrote:
  It's quite natural to hope saving a pic in the format it has been loaded. 
  Load a
  jpg ? ok, modify it and save it as jpg. Why is it natural ? just because jpg
  format ( though it degrades the image quality at each save, but this is 
  another
  question ) is red by ALL tools, unlike xcf that cannot even be used as 
  import in
  any tool.
 
 Hmmm.
 
   * Open your favorite spreadsheet application.
   * Load a CSV.
   * Create complicated formulas to compute more values.
   * Save as CSV, naturally
 
 Oops. What were these formulas again?
 
Sorry, but that's a really bad argument for Gimp.  After all, much
metadata is lost when it imports photos and other images which contain
metadata.  

Seriously, ideally, Gimp should save in the format of the file that was
opened INCLUDING the metadata.  And if someone wants to be clever about
it, then if there is data or format changes of the image for which data
may be lost or the original format cannot handle, then XCF should be
selected as the target format when saving.  (for example, the original
image was RAW or JPEG and the image changes call for an alpha channel,
or perhaps a layer has been added to the original image.)

And I understand not wanting the program to do too much thinking for the
users because it can simply get in the way, but the new change already
crosses that line by thinking for the user that every file should be
saved into XCF format and of course, the user loses all metadata.

(And before anyone offers it, I will acknowledge, the metadata would be
preserved if the original source image is unchanged true but not the
point.)

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Re: [Gimp-user] feature request: alpha level

[Daniel Hornung]

On Monday, 22. July 2013 08:38:00 Alex Vergara Gil wrote:
 Hello GIMP developers:
 
 I am working on a project where I need to set all pixels below a level as
 alpha channel, is there a quick way to achieve this? The level can be both
 set a priori or adjusted dinamically, the second way is prefered. Right now
 my workflow includes: 1. duplicate layer.
 2. use color level in duplicate layer, in menu COLOR - LEVEL.
 3. add alpha mask to original layer
 4. copy duplicate layer into the alpha mask of the original.
 5. delete duplicate layer.
 6. If result is not ok then return to 1.
 As you can see this workflow is a headache, specially point 6 which is often
 achieved. Any thoughts

1. Create a channel mask from the grayscale value.
2. On the channel mask, use the threshold tool.

Voilà!


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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel Hauck]

This is a valid point of human behavior on software.  It doesn't matter 
how many warnings software might offer, the user develops habits and 
eventually, for convenience sake, clicks on things very habitually.  
THIS is why malware still gets installed on users' machines despite all 
of the UAC and other protections put into place.  Protections which are 
inconvenient and/or inconsistent will be ignored due to their 
inconvenience and/or inconsistency.


This is precisely why the 8 golden rules of UI design were listed: (see 
link below)


https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-gui-list/1998-November/msg00074.html

The first rule is consistency.  And it doesn't just mean within the 
application, but consistency with the environment.  The fifth rule, 
offer error prevention, is way down there for a reason I should think.


That said, I have noticed GiMP does at least remember your previous 
export action which enables a person to quickly update what they are 
exporting as they work.  This is a handy improvement which demonstrates 
that the developers have recognized the export function as a bit of a 
stumbling block to a smooth workflow and they are attempting to reduce 
it some.


(Yes, I broke my own rule about commenting on this particular topic... I 
just couldn't hold back, because user behavior is a particularly 
important topic to me in that as a support person, I am faced with the 
fact that users do what they will no matter how many or what types of 
warnings and limits and controls you put into place.  User problems 
start and end with the user.  Their drive to do things they think they 
want to do over-rides what they should or shouldn't do every time.  
Writing software to attempt to counter human user behavior is, in the 
end, completely futile and even hazardous to attempt.  People are 
'thoughtless' by nature. Habits are killers.  But it is our nature to be 
this way.  We may as well embrace it rather than fight it.  This is 
precisely why the 8 golden rules were written as they were.)



On 07/18/2013 05:06 PM, mrule wrote:

I agree.

There are a lot of good arguments for the new save functionality on this thread,
and I respect that some users may want the new functionality. However, I am a
long-time user of Gimp and I do not want this change.

For me, the  new save functionality is more hazardous than the old save
functionality:

I was using the new Gimp today for editing single-layer PNG files. In this use
case, there is no data loss since I am saving a single layer in a lossless
format. The main problem is that, even after exporting, Gimp will ask if you
want to save on exit. Since this dialogue appears regardless of whether I have
exported my work, it is uninformative, and I have to click to close it every
time. This creates a hazard because, when I actually do forget to export my work
to PNG, I don't get any useful notice when I exit Gimp, and I lose my changes.
For now, I will be using an older version of Gimp that is safer for my use-case.

I would prefer the old save format and add a warning ( that is easily closed
with a keystroke or two ) if the save operation will cause loss of data. This
will result in less loss of work on average.



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Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

[Daniel Smith]

well, i gotta say, that were i ever to actually use the gimp in any heavy
capacity, or a company i worked at would, these saving lists would be
required reading due to the variety of formats/procedures detailed.
thanks, i guess.
:)
dan


On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Chris Mohler cr33...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Renaud  OLGIATI
 ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
  I fail to understand why using ctrlshiftE rather than
  ctrlshiftS adds any time at all to your work.
 
  Not the time, but the annoyance at the stupidity of being told my file
 has not been saved, when I have just saved it back to its original format
 through Export.

 See, now this I don't get.  Instead of the dialog in 2.6 that was You
 can't include layers, paths, etc. in JPEG, flatten image?, now
 there's a dialog that's Hey you might have exported but you didn't
 save your layers, paths, etc, save them? - and somehow this is so
 vastly different?

 I was against the current behavior at the beginning, but my GIMP work
 falls into one of two cases and it works out this way:

 1.)  Without a net - destructive editing
 - I need to edit something like a 1-bit TIFF or a greyscale PNG.
 - The file is already the result of export from a complex vector file.
 - And all I really need to do is make some bits black, or some bits
 white.
 - Most of the time, I don't use layers or masks - if it's getting
 too complex I need to go back to the vector source and correct there,
 then do another export.
 - So, I open, edit, export, close the file - and then I get the
 warning, at which point I pause for a second and think: did I add
 layers, masks, etc. that I need in case this file is a tiny bit off?.
  99% of the time, I just close without saving - but there is that tiny
 percent left where I think hmm... I did save that really complex
 selection that might come in handy - what the hell, I'll save it.

 So in case #1, it adds all of a second or maybe three to my workflow
 and I've become quite used to it. It seems the loudest complaints come
 from similar workflows - which are not part of GIMP's target.  Which
 brings me to...

 2.)  Full-on GIMP - lossless editing
 - I'm creating a layered composition, or a background for another
 composition that is layered and/or complex.
 - So there's anything from text layers, layer masks, blending
 modes - all types of stuff that isn't going to be retained in the
 export format.
 - I work, save the file as eg file_20130615-01.xcf.  I export in
 my target format.
 - If the final needs changes (or I've been working over an hour),
 I save as file_20130615-02.xcf, work, save, export.

 Case #2 is exactly how I work with everything in Adobe CS - Photoshop,
 Illustrator, etc. already.  Except that eg Illustrator doesn't
 restrict the clean flag to just AI (it will treat PDF and EPS as a
 cleanly saved format), it's exactly the same behavior.  For example if
 I create a file in AI, save it, make some changes, export PNG, close
 it - it will warn me that wait for it I didn't save the
 changes in a format that will be recognized by Illustrator the next
 time I open the file.  Sounds familiar, no? ;)

 Since I already work this way, I never see the you didn't save
 dialog on these types of GIMP projects.  At least, if I'm doing it
 right that is ;)  So it adds 0 seconds to my workflow.


 I'll give you a simple example of #2: a client sends me a set of
 bracketed images of a property to combine as HDR (never mind that
 there are plenty of other tools, client also wants the dog poop out of
 the yard and the windows cleaned while we're at it, eh?). I'm
 certainly going to consider the file saved only when it retains all
 of my layers and masks, never mind if the client is only going to see
 the exported JPEG.  That way, when they come back and ask now can we
 make the sky green? (stranger requests have been made), it's open,
 adjust layer, save as, export, close instead of open, make mask
 (again), adjust, export, close, don't save.  Which saves me time,
 which saves them money, which makes me more valuable as an asset.


 If all of your GIMP usage falls into #1, you're probably using the
 wrong tool for the job.  Either deal with the extra dialog, or deploy
 one of the various workarounds (or use another tool).  If you're in
 #2, the distinction should make no difference at all, really, unless
 you enjoy doing the same work over and over again.

 Chris

 PS - we can do without the name-calling and nation-baiting.
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Re: [Gimp-user] A Sad case of regression

[Daniel Hauck]

On 06/15/2013 01:53 PM, Grue wrote:
Wow, just wow. Here are the facts: every time you save your image as 
JPEG, you lose information. It is by design a lossy image format that 
uses an algorithm to conserve your disk space via throwing away some 
insignificant information (which works well for photos, but ruins 
many other types of images). Worse yet, if you edit a JPEG image and 
resave it, you lose even more information. This results in very 
noticeable artifacts in the image. And GIMP actually tries to prevent 
you from this destructive workflow, yet you keep doing it anyway, and 
you're complaining about GIMP instead of your own ineptitude. Please, 
if you work with images, learn about image formats and how they work. 
The eyes of people who look at your images will thank you later. 


Well?  It seems for all the reasons this Save As... behavior has been 
established, it's not working.  Culture and expectations will out.


Personally, I have gotten used to the change.  It's still a bit of a 
tick with me but it reminds me the difference between a work file and 
a published output file... I remember it each and every time I edit an 
image.  However... I don't feel any more professional than I did 
before.  My workflow?  Not quite as flowing as it is in other software 
which uses a consistent behavior.  Inkscape, another program I use for 
image editing and creation, allows me to Save as... any supported 
image format just fine which is interesting because of the two programs, 
Inkscape would actually make more sense to have exhibit this behavior.  
And when I close the program afterward, I am prompted with:


 ''The file drawing.png was saved with a format 
(org.inkscape.output.svg.inkscape) that may cause data loss!  Do you 
want to save this file as Inkscape SVG? [Close without saving] [Cancel] 
[Save as SVG]''


(This sort of reminds me of Smoking causes cancer labels.)

The reason I say the GiMP behavior is more suited to Inkscape is that 
when using a program like Inkscape, a user is using a variety of 
primitive tools to compose an image which requires many, many steps and 
manipulations.  But also, Inkscape has export functions such as save as 
copy and export bitmap.  It allows me to do what I want to do, but 
then reminds me I might be making a big mistake if close the program 
without saving in the native format.


This approach, Inkscape's that is, actually comes closer to 
accomplishing the purpose described by GiMP's developers without 
enraging the the user.


Apologies all around... I realize this is a wasted effort... I've seen 
this conversation go on multiple times and I've even started and 
participated in one myself.  But when I see an example of people doing 
what they want to do regardless of warnings and speed-bumps and 
preventative measures, it just goes to show you can't beat stupid and 
you can't force smart.   A simple warning that you may be screwing 
something up is probably the best approach.

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Re: [Gimp-user] how to draw interrupted lines

[Daniel Hauck]

I think you can't really do that.  But I will write up a little on how 
to work with the paths tool to achieve what you want.  It was Inkscape 
which taught me how to use the paths tool the best, I think, because the 
way Inkscape works, it's all lines and paths and the like.


I have to go to work now, but will try to steal a few moments to put 
something together for you.  I think then it will become much clearer.


But the short answer is paths tool and paint along path.


On 04/03/2013 01:19 PM, 3052192 wrote:


Hi friends,

how can I draw in GIMP freehanded *_curved_*

interrupted lines (dotted; dot-dash-dot; dash-dash;...) ?

To create lines first with a pencil and to use then the rubber

gives uneven and so unsatisfactory results.

Thanks for help!

Konrad



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Re: [Gimp-user] Funding a Microsoft developer

[Daniel]

A very good idea.  I cannot contribute much, but if someone were to put
the effort together and a paypal link, I would be happy to kick in what
I could.


On Wed, 2013-04-03 at 13:38 -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
 Hey,
 
 I wonder if it would be a good thing to do a Kickstarter type of
 campaign, to raise money to hire a developer to work on integrating
 the GIMP with Microsoft platforms, or to put bounties on solutions
 for specific bugs/issues?
 
 There's a LOT of GIMP users running Microsoft operating systems and
 if they tossed in an average of just a few dollars each...
 
 Just a thought.
 
 :o)
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel]

Sorry to pipe in here.  I hope I am the only list responder.  I'm
against the behavior, but I'm MORE against further discussion of it.

So please, if you would like to respond to this comment, let's not
clutter the list any further.  I hope the FAQ regarding this and other
topics arrives soon so we can simply refer to it without have another
long and ugly discussion.

(But I guess I never said I appreciate GiMP... I do.  I teach it to
others on a regular basis.  So I hope no one has ever gotten the
impression I don't love GiMP.)

On Thu, 2013-02-28 at 21:58 +0100, pbft wrote:
 Wow. I decided to see if this was an issue for anyone else - I guess it is. I
 think I pretty well understand the arguments on both sides, and I have to say
 that I hope one of the many reasonable solutions proposed here is implemented.
 There really are legitimately different uses of the tool, and a 'one size fits
 all' approach seems needlessly restrictive.
 
 I've been a Gimp user for a long time. Some of what I do is complex and takes
 advantage of all the goodness of XCF, but the vast majority is very simple:
 
 1) Open a JPG file
 2) Make some minor edits (usually cropping, rotation, and/or color level
 adjustment)
 3) Save that same JPG
 
 In my case I already have an automated workflow that saved the original as a
 write-only on a different disk, so I really don't care about any of the issues
 or benefits of XCF for these particular files - I can revert to the original 
 at
 any time, and my changes are simple. I just need to make edits on a few 
 hundred
 JPGs with the least possible effort. As well described WAY earlier, the change
 dramatically increases the complexity of this particular task.
 
 The Gimp developer answer seems to be that I am not worthy of a tool so 
 exalted
 as Gimp, and I should find and learn some lesser tool better suited to my
 plebeian needs. Really? I hope cooler heads prevail.
 
 
 


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Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

[Daniel Hornung]

I can't believe this was not brought up by someone already...

https://xkcd.com/1172/

(Or my mail search function is broken, which is possible)

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Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

[Daniel Hauck]

On 02/17/2013 07:21 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Jeffery Small wrote:


In the nearly 10 years of using the gimp I can't think of a single time
where this would be useful. I've never had a problem differentiating
between xcf and other formats. That use case is covered quite nicely by
save a copy.

But it isn't :)

Alexandre:

I understand the logic behind this change, I agree it is a change but not
broken, and I can get used to it well as anyone.  But in your responses
over the past year, you have demonstrated a real disregard for the work
flow of a large number of people who have been using GIMP for a very long
time, many of which may never care to use the xcf format.  What I find
so mysterious is not only the willingness, but the apparent disregard
for other viewpoints that the design team has exhibited, by shoving this
change down the throats of so many people who clearly do not like it.  This
I-know-what's-best-for-you, one-size-fits-all attitude is the sort of
approach that is currently tearing the world apart in the political and
social realm, and it really chafes to see it migrate into the technical
world as well.

When a major UI change like this is contemplated, why would it not be
implemented as a configuration switch which can be turned on/off on the
Preferences menu?  In this particular case, a simple switch could reverse
the Save and Export functions.  In the default mode, it would operate just
as GIMP 2.8 does, and with a flick of a preference, Save would save in the
current native format as 2.6 does, while Export could be identical to Save
As -- or, since it is a new feature, it could simply always save in xcf
format without troubling anyone.  Then everyone would have been happy.

Currently, I use GIMP on two platforms.  I'm currently stuck with 2.6 on my
Solaris system and use 2.8 on Linux.  I do use and save in the xcf format,
but I also do a huge amount of one-shot editing of jpeg files.  Because
of this UI change, I have to remember which machine I am on in order to
know what a Save ( Control-S has a LOT of muscle-memory associated with it)
is going to do.  If I had a preference option as described above, I would
probably make 2.8 operate like 2.6 until I was able to use 2.8 everywhere,
and then I would switch over to the new model and enjoy it going forward.
But I don't have that choice.

There has probably been 1000 times more effort expended writing about this
change than would have been spent implementing my suggestion above.  That's
something worth thinking about.

I'm trying to be helpful here, not angry or insulting.  I love GIMP and
I have tremendous appreciation and respect for you and everyone else who
contributes to the ongoing development, and I extend my thanks for all you
do, including responding to irate users like me on this and other forums.
I hope you take these comments in the positive spirit I intend them.

This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

That's what the license says, and you accepted it. If you disagree
with the license, you shouldn't be using GIMP in the first place.

Sorry about being so blunt, but even my patience has a limit.

We've already covered every angle of this controversion, replied all
the possible questions and suggestions, most of them -- in multiple
variations. Yes, that includes your suggestions above.

People didn't join this project to spend their time juggling same
words again and again. This is why you don't hear much (if anything at
all) regarding this controversion from other team members. And this is
why you re not going to hear much about that from me.

All the answers have been given. If you disagree with our decision,
and existing workarounds do not work for you, the most sensible thing
to do would be to either revert to GIMP 2.6, use existing forks, or
stop using GIMP altogether.
Major changes are disheartening and often even painful, disorienting and 
painful.


I too have argued against the forced change.  Sometimes this approach 
works.  Sometimes it is met with uncalculated resistance. I'm something 
of an old-timer in that I remember clearly when MS Windows was still 
being debated.  Many people preferred the elementary nature of DOS and 
saw Windows as a waste of memory and processor resources for what 
amounted to a fancy menu system.  In the end, the GUI won out though 
many people still cling to the CLI remembering the good old days.


We also have other examples of major change in GNOME/Fedora and in 
Ubuntu.  That change is still being fiercely rejected after how many 
years?  It's difficult to say what the outcomes of these issues will be, 
but there is/was some sort of addon or something for GiMP that would 
restore the old behavior.  Check the lists for more information if you 
desire it for your more consistent workflow.


My fight is over 

Re: [Gimp-user] export vs save

[Daniel Hauck]

On 02/17/2013 09:27 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote:


For now, there is no alternative to GiMP.

Krita is a very nice alternative for a number of use cases.


But if one were to appear, can
you imagine what factors might come into play when people decide what to
use?  GiMP doesn't exist entirely because of the developers.  No question
that the developers create, maintain and push it forward -- it couldn't
happen without it.  But the cheering crowds have value as well.  Without
users expressing their needs and wishes, projects get lost and forgotten...
and without the cheering crowd, developers also lose interest.

No one owes kindness and consideration to anyone else.  But that doesn't
mean they aren't important.  And it reflects well on the character of the
giver.

I have certain doubts that you understand the point of free (as in
speech) software. The reason for my doubts is because you keep talking
about the character of the giver.

The giver/taker dichotomy is, frankly, artificial. GIMP isn't a
commercial software project. For one, we don't rely on the customer
is always right rule. If you judge us, we are allowed to judge you
back, except it's neither constructive nor fun.

Cheers are motivational, but so are technical challenges, and we
currently have tons of the latter and a good supply of the former.

Eventually all currently existing software will become obsolete, and
GIMP is no exception. The sooner it happens, the sooner the team will
have more spare time for families, friends, and various hobbies. We'll
probably even start giving away free hugs instead of free software.
My, my -- what a horrible perspective :)


The giver/taker dichotomy is not artificial.  It is more than human, in 
fact.  It is quite animal in nature.  As an aspi myself, I recognize 
that it is inherently tempting to seek to discard things which are not 
necessary.  But to suggest that giver-taker relationships are 
artificial?  No.  Giver-taker, teacher-learner are animal relationships 
and one which is especially developed among humans.



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Re: [Gimp-user] Suggestions for the GIMP

[Daniel Hornung]

On Sunday, 10. February 2013 18:06:25 maderios wrote:
 Much noise about common functions...
 Why complicate things ? This is a false problem. Any editor
 (gimp,libreoffice, krita, etc..) user must (learn to) save his work and
 should not rely on automation that slows work.
 Gimp should follow the standards available in all editors. It does not,
 it is very annoying.

What is the standard then, please? LibreOffice Writer or Scribus for example
allow users to export files as PDF, but saving should be done in a format that
allows to restore the current document as well as possible.

Greetings,
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Re: [Gimp-user] Photo protection - transparent foreground

[Daniel]

What you seek to do is something content publishers all over the globe
have been seeking to do.  The problem with the internet is that it has
to trust the client endpoint.  You can limit the trust as much as
possible, but any data which is to be displayed must also be received
and decoded by the client.  Once it is on the client, all bets are off.
There is simply no way to control data access once it has been sent to
the client.

We call attempts at doing this DRM and while there have been a great
many attempts at accomplishing this, all results are compromised and
becomes a failed effort.

The notion of free distribution while controlling content over the
internet is simply not possible.


On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 15:45 +, d b wrote:
 Thank you to all who have responded with constructive ideas and
 comments.
  
 The reason for my original question was that I want to advertise some
 scanned in behind-the-scenes colour slides that my dad took while he
 was filming the speed boat chase sequences from Live and Let Die in
 1972. I obviously did not want these freely copied and circulated
 uncontrolled.
  
 Based on all your feedback so far, it appears the answer to the
 original question is no, it is not possible. Even with using HTML code
 or using no-right-click techniques, these can be overcome by someone
 determined enough.
  
 I have therefore decided to upload very low resolution versions of my
 hi res scans, and also include a watermark across them.
  
 I will keep monitoring future replies and respond if required.
  
 I'm now off to explore more GIMP features .
  
 Thanks again.
  
 
 
  Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 05:23:01 +0100
  From: for...@gimpusers.com
  To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
  CC: t...@gimpusers.com
  Subject: [Gimp-user] Photo protection - transparent foreground
  
  The only way is to add your name ond some text to avoid copying.. or
 make the
  resulution small that nobody bother to copy them.. :). Anyway -
 don't put out
  any photos on the internet ..that you are afraid of being copied...
  BTW Feel free to share mine :D
  
  Attachments:
  *
 http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/7/original/gimpkatt1.jpg
  
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Re: [Gimp-user] Photo protection - transparent foreground

[Daniel]

The reason what you are talking about works is because of CSS.

Consider this:

div 
style=background-image: url(../images/test-background.gif);
height: 500px; width: 500px;

img src=glass_pane_watermark.png alt=My protected image
height=500 width=500 /

/div

This shows how this is done.  There is nothing about normal image files
which will facilitate layering the way you intend.  Even if it did, a
save of such an image would likely save all of the layers included
within a single file.

In the example code above, the background image of the div cell is the
actual image you want to show.  The img tag holds the link to the
transparent image which would be saved when someone does a right-click.

This is not a perfect solution.  In fact, there is no perfect solution
that doesn't involve a combination of server-side and client-side
programming.  So to accomplish something like that, you would have to do
a series of interesting things which I suspect is outside of the scope
of what you hope to accomplish.  However, the example above will suffice
to make the basics of what you want to happen.


On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 16:34 +, d b wrote:
 Hi all,
  
 I am new to the list. I have searched the lists for an answer to my
 question, but no joy. Hopefully one of you would be kind enough to
 help me. I have heard you can protect your photographs on the web by
 applying a transparent overlay to them. When someone then right clicks
 and saves the image, all they get is the transparent foreground and
 not the photo underneath.
  
 I have tried to do this using GIMP. However, the web guidance I have
 seen says you also have to edit the HTML code to do this. 
  
 Is there a way of doing this from GIMP itself without involving HTML
 code?
  
 Any simple, easy to follow steps for a new user would be greatly
 appreciated. 
  
  
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Questions about gimp compairing gimp to PS

[Daniel Smith]

Alexandre,
well, design has never really been considered a high paid occupation
now, has it?
I'm even on this list only because i have a partial interest in
graphics coming from the
ten years i considered myself a potential designer.
Boy was that a mistaken period. Followed by my equally painful period
of revelations.
Like I said before, to view open source as if it's all white knights
is a misnomer. A lot of the original creators of open source, as much
as I love it, are now sitting very fat and sassy:
http://nactag.info/map.asp?addr=4RB3%20QK5Nlabel=Linus%20Torvalds%27%20House
:)
dan

On 12/16/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Ofnuts wrote:
 On 12/15/2012 01:39 AM, Daniel Smith wrote:

 it also has After Effects, Premiere Pro, etc. Lots of good stuff. For
 30 a month?

 You mean, 360 a year? For plenty of stuff I may never use?

 As in I make $60K as a designer and I ain't paying 360 a year for my
 tools? :-P

 Alexandre Prokoudine
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Re: [Gimp-user] Questions about gimp compairing gimp to PS

[Daniel Smith]

well, you're the one who mentioned money.
being somewhat older now i would also very much note the need for a
good circle of friends and community, and a committed life's partner
etc for when you can't take care of yourself (or perhaps make any
money).
believe it or not it's a real possibility. I can't believe looking
back how many of my friends never made it past 30.
but here was the actual page that made me stop and think about typekit:
http://www.briangardner.com/typekit-fonts/
and this was a good article:
http://www.briangardner.com/minimalist-design/
have a good day.
dan

On 12/16/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Daniel Smith wrote:
 Alexandre,
 well, design has never really been considered a high paid occupation
 now, has it?

 By whom? :) Besides, a lot depends on lifestyle. Living frugally on
 $60K vs. living lavishly on $120K turns out to be pretty much the same
 thing or even better.

 The point I'm trying to make is that in the long run whatever works
 best is still the best approach. We can argue about licenses and
 evil vendors all we like, but once you do paid projects and treat
 this job seriously, justifying software expenses can be not such a big
 deal. Similarly, it's quite OK for people to buy Apple hardware if
 they have a project to pay the expense off nicely.

 This is really about looking at things through investment lens.

 Like I said before, to view open source as if it's all white knights
 is a misnomer.

 Indeed :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Questions about gimp compairing gimp to PS

[Daniel Smith]

See this page for multi-threaded gimp
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-October/thread.html
(they attended to the topic of cores during saving, etc.)

I already tried to post once in response to this topic, but i'll try again.
i will always have gimp on my machine, but i worked in graphics for
a long time, and i think the ability to have cross-program filters is
invaluable. such as photoshop to illustrator etc. If you use that kind of thing
or could find a use to learn it.

a while back my brother found an unopened box of photoshop cs2 in a
thrift store for 2 bucks. And i pushed a little with adobe and
registered it online.
And now I heard about this adobe creative cloud and that old cs2
qualified me to
join at 30/month. and that includes all the major 18 adobe programs,
64 bit, and
typekit premium, which is 50/yr by itself. so i took it. i mean, gimp
is great, and i guess
you can get a lot of graphics geek factor with using it, but let's
face it, one of the
other features about photoshop is that a lot of studios and designers
use it, templates are made for or from it, etc. It's just the standard
for a lot of the art/.design world.
And a lot of the great thing about that creative cloud is photoshop is
just the entry point,
it also has After Effects, Premiere Pro, etc. Lots of good stuff. For
30 a month?
Daniel

On 12/14/12, Chris Mohler cr33...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 In re adjustment layers, I may be missing something fundamental but
 I seem to be doing the same thing, more or less, in the GIMP:

 Nah. In PS I can insert a levels layer.  Everything under the layer
 is affected by the levels operation.  But here's the kicker - you can
 always go back and adjust the levels settings.  I don't use PS all
 that much anymore, but there were a few adjustment layers that real
 time-savers (colorize being one).

 As you say, you can sort of get the same result in GIMP manually but
 the mechanism is not the same at all.

 Chris
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[Gimp-user] gimp help offline

[Daniel Conklin]

I downloaded gimp help and installed it.All OK when i'm connected but not
when I'm offline . Any solution?
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[Gimp-user] gimp help offline

[Daniel Conklin]

I downloaded gimp help but can't access it offline. Any solution?
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Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed

[Daniel Smith]

what he said. that's what i meant when i said before that you would
still have the layers, that you had the .xcf file somewhere.
:)
dan

On 11/18/12, Burnie West w...@ieee.org wrote:
 On 11/18/2012 12:09 PM, jenn golden wrote:
 Is there a way to get back all of your layers once you save a file and
 close
 out of it? I am new and am creating magazince covers - All I need to do is

 change the pic - but did not want to have to re-create the entire cover if
 I
 did not need too Thanks!
 Are you using gimp 2.8? If so, when you save the file all the layers are
 retained (unless you specifically merged them). You would export to (e.g.)
 jpg
 or png, and then save to xcf format. Loading the .xcf version should still
 have
 all the layers. Loading the exported .png or .jpg version would not.

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Re: [Gimp-user] 8x10 photo without cropping...

[Daniel Smith]

I am assuming you're asking it this way too because you saved it as a
flattened version of your work? I mean, if you have a version of it
with all the layers as live text and added graphics still separate,
you could just save or copy out another of the background pic and
scale or resize to your wishes, and then re-add and size or position
the text and/or graphics according to taste, right?
Hoping you did save with layers intact somewhere.
Daniel

On 11/16/12, Tobias Lunte tobias.lu...@hfg-gmuend.de wrote:

 Am 16.11.2012 22:30, schrieb jenn golden:
 Hi - I am a bit of a newbie to this prog. And the issue I am having,
 is that I created a Magazine cover using my son's football pic. To
 make a long story short - I can create a fabulous 4x6, but when I try
 to send it out to blow up to an 8x10, it crops way too much of the
 cover... How do I save or edit the pic as an 8x10 so that I do not
 loose my added graphics and artwork? Please help!  Any suggestions
 would be greatly appreciated!

 Jenn


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 Hello,

 I know, this might be a little bit too much for someone new to the
 program, but one of the better ways to do it would be installing and
 using the liquid rescale-plugin http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com/
 (http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com/).
 It will scale the image instead of cropping it, so there won't be
 anything cut or borders added in. But other than the normal scale-tool,
 it tries to detect important parts of the image (like faces or text) and
 keeps their proportion the same.
 Feel free to email me if you decide to do it this way and need some help.

 bw,
 Tobl

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error

[Daniel Smith]

Did you ever check the amount of storage left on the drive?
Do you have an updated antivirus software?/Infected?
Did you keep Windows updated?

The problem with older computers is there's a lot of stuff on them, over
a long period of time. Maybe it's a conflict with another program or hardware
that used C++ and now there's a conflict with Gimp?

Have you been able to install any other software other than Gimp since?

Not to be self inflating, but the thing about restoring the computer back
to a point previous to installing Gimp was I believe the best advice.
(I have had tons of used computers over the years and a thousand such
dilemmas. Sometimes the fallback position is best.)
Or as I said getting everything you need off the drive, and running the
factory restore discs that came with the computer? But then again, it'll
have to all be updated.
Then again, Vista's nothing to write home about. Win 7 much better.
Search Windows 7 upgrade on ebay and right now there are win 7 or 8
versions for like 30+ bucks. Seriously, I had Vista. It stunk.
But you have to look up your computer model and know whether it's
32 or 64 bit version.
Dan

On 11/14/12, Sleepingbeautiie for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
On Sun, 2012-11-11 at 23:54 +0100, Sleepingbeautiie wrote:

Maybe you could write it down next time.
Do you have a working GIMP now?

2.7 was an unstable release - 2.8 likely has fewer bugs overall, but
there have been some problems reported on Microsoft Windows that
weren't
present on Linux, where the main development is done.

You should probably use either 2.6 or 2.8, not 2.7.

Liam

 2.6 isn't even working for me. It's giving me this stupid error report like
 the
 following: gimp-2.6.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close.

 So.. eh. Computer's probably just old.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error.

[Daniel Smith]

Wow, thanks to both (all) of you!
I'll have to taste the mint, so to speak.
I was running Ubuntu 11 till my latest machinicide.
I thought though when I installed it that Linux has come
incredibly far in ease of use since when I used to use it
back in the old Red Hat 4, 7 etc command line startup days.
Of course, I just did it with an ubuntu cd I bought off of ebay for 4 bucks.
So no size worries for me.
But I did notice when I was searching that error above, or different
combinations of its terms included, that it seemed cross-OS, that
different #s (gmem.c: 165, 135, etc)  of it occurred in various linux
and windows versions that people had reported bugs or complained of.
Except for, notably, on Macs. Don't know fer sure about that though.
On second search through it seemed a lot had to do with corrupted
or unmanageably large conversion files etc. crashing memory.
This is a very similar error:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/846389
Dan

On 11/4/12, Olivier oleca...@gmail.com wrote:
 2012/11/4 Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net


 Ubuntu 10 has worked great for me but alas, Canonical has gone the
 way of the dedicated touchscreen interface.  I will be bailing out
 when the version I am using reaches end of life next year.  Can't
 sit a very computer illiterate user in front of the Unity desktop,
 and expect them to figure it out and use it without problems.  Can't
 expect me to toss 20 years of reasonably efficient workflow habits
 out the window either...

 You don't need to do that. Using Ubuntu 12.04 with the look and feel of
 Ubuntu 10.04 is rather easy. Of course, it needs a little work, but nothing
 complicated. I'm using that on all my computers and on all the computers I
 manage. The major visible differences is that I cannot use any more the
 theme I liked (but probably still a little more work probably would do
 that, if it was so important), and the System global menu is now hidden in
 the Applications menu.

 I did not yet try version 12.10, and Ubuntu Gnome Remix 12.10 seems
 promising, but it uses Gnome 3, which some people consider as much
 offending as Unity...

 I have been very impressed with Mint - the other day I had occasion
 to use the Live DVD in conjunction with a printer/scanner on a
 random PC on a random office LAN, and the thing just worked all
 around.

 Mint is very pleasant and refreshing indeed, and I'll shift to it if
 combining Ubuntu 12.10 with Gnome 2 is impossible.


 Running an OS that works for not against the user is a very
 addictive thing.  Token on-topic reference:  The GIMP was the first
 major gateway drug that started me down the path to a 100% Free
 Software world.  Ubuntu stopped including the GIMP in its default
 installation package, and that's another strike against Canonical...
 sure it's stupidly easy to install, but dang it, GNU/Linux is
 supposed to include the GIMP right out of the box, is all!

 :o)


 The only problem, in my opinion, is that Ubuntu still insists on fitting on
 a CD instead of a DVD, for reasons I don't know.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error.

[Daniel Smith]

Seeing how you said it was running fine for a while...
how full is your hard drive?
I did a google search on gmem.c errors,
and it would seem a lot of them had to do with high
memory intensive operations being performed.
Here is one specific to gimp:
http://www.gimptalk.com/index.php?/topic/51518-glib-error/

and if you scroll to the bottom you see where they talk about
the amount of memory/cap allocated to gimp or system etc.

Here's one on the inflation of memory need in inkscape:
http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10253

But I was thinking if your disk is pretty near full maybe
there isn't enough room to create the swap space needed
or preset by your settings to start up gimp?
Just a thought.
Dan

On 11/2/12, Sleepingbeautiie for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
Sleepingbeautiie - for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
 On Thu, 01 Nov 2012 17:14:27 +0100, Sleepingbeautiie wrote:

 And, yeah - that stuff's basically gone away since I've re-installed
 it again, but now it says it has to do something with the GIMP
 shortcut in my bin folder, so I thought 'Oh, okay...' and clicked on
 the GIMP 2.8 icon for it to load from there.. but it gave me the same
 error, the one that I just mentioned, and it always has something to
 do with terminating in an unusual way, 'thanks' to Runtime. I'm
 looking through all my folders now, but there doesn't seem to be a
 problem.

 Is your Windows set to use 16-bit colour mode? There's a known problem
 with
 GTK+ if that's the case - change Windows to 32-bit colours.

 How do you do that? I mean, do I go to control panel? I really don't
 know what the problem is, but if it helps I use Windows Vista/desktop.

Yes; from Windows Vista Control Panel:
- from default view: Adjust screen resolution (under the Appearance
and Personalization section) or
- from classic view: Personalization then Display Settings

Either will bring up the Display Settings where you can set the colour
depth from the drop-down under Colors. If you have multiple monitors,
you might need to set it separately for each one.

After click Apply or OK to apply changes, you'll need to click Yes
before the timer expired when prompted for whether to keep the new
settings. If that seems a bit odd, there is a sensible reason - changing
display settings incorrectly can prevent anything from being displayed
at all, making it difficult to change them back, so if the screen does
go blank or scrambled you just need to wait 15 seconds for the timer to
expire and it should go back to how it was before.

Mark.

All right, thanks, I'll try that when I get the time; if it doesn't work,
 I'll come back and see if there's any other kinda solution.

 It didn't work. The first message I'm always receiving now is
 (gimp-2.8.exe:2408):GLiB-ERROR**: gmem.c: 165: failed to allocate 17660160
 bytes, and THEN it does the whole Windows Visual C++ Library thing. Any
 ideas?


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Re: [Gimp-user] Error.

[Daniel Smith]

I really have grown fond of avg's pc tuneup.
Normally I in the past didn't use such utilities, but I
tried (and paid!) for it once, and love it. Still use the
free avg antivirus though.
I would have recommended to upgrade to Win 7 and
wipe the whole drive. Never really liked Vista that much.
Seemed like only a little better than that old Longhorn
beta there was going around for a while.
But I would also just take at least a glance at the drive to
see how much free space there is on it.
Dan

On 11/3/12, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 On 11/03/2012 09:02 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:
 On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:22:52 -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:

 I would run a registry cleaner

 Don't. Just don't. At best, they do nothing, and at worst they screw up
 the
 machine (had to fix too many machines that registry cleaners and
 optimizers left in unusable state).

 The first thing a registry cleaner does - if it's a decent one like
 the Wise cleaner - is back up the existing registry files to a
 location where they won't be overwritten during the OS-native
 registry backup rotation.  Then it conducts a scan and removes
 orphaned keys that point to non-existent files and directories,
 redundant keys, etc.  In some cases, I have seen processes that
 access the registry frequently, i.e. complex application start-up
 routines - run 2x faster after cleaning.  Usually the result is not
 quite that impressive.

 In a hypothetical worst case where damage is done by the cleaning
 process - something I have never seen happen in a few hundred
 practical cases - the saved registry can be restored with a single
 command and, in effect, nothing happened at all.  Any problems
 that need repair are the same ones that were there before the
 registry cleaner was tried.

 Progressive registry bloat is a feature, not a bug.  It makes a
 computer with a Microsoft operating system appear to be getting old
 and slowing down, which is a Good Thing if you are selling
 computers or operating systems.  Not so good if you are the user who
 owns the machine in question.

 The best repair for any Microsoft operating system is to replace it
 with an operating system that works, or, failing that, reinstall the
 one that came with the machine.  But sometimes that's not an option,
 alas.

 :o/

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Re: [Gimp-user] Error.

[Daniel Smith]

Because (left out) a Vista machine means it's probably about
five years old or so, meaning that it could possibly be filled, and
or replace the drive as well. It's gonna go sometime soon. Just thoughts.
And they're so cheap now.
Dan

On 11/3/12, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote:
 I really have grown fond of avg's pc tuneup.
 Normally I in the past didn't use such utilities, but I
 tried (and paid!) for it once, and love it. Still use the
 free avg antivirus though.
 I would have recommended to upgrade to Win 7 and
 wipe the whole drive. Never really liked Vista that much.
 Seemed like only a little better than that old Longhorn
 beta there was going around for a while.
 But I would also just take at least a glance at the drive to
 see how much free space there is on it.
 Dan

 On 11/3/12, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 On 11/03/2012 09:02 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:
 On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:22:52 -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:

 I would run a registry cleaner

 Don't. Just don't. At best, they do nothing, and at worst they screw up
 the
 machine (had to fix too many machines that registry cleaners and
 optimizers left in unusable state).

 The first thing a registry cleaner does - if it's a decent one like
 the Wise cleaner - is back up the existing registry files to a
 location where they won't be overwritten during the OS-native
 registry backup rotation.  Then it conducts a scan and removes
 orphaned keys that point to non-existent files and directories,
 redundant keys, etc.  In some cases, I have seen processes that
 access the registry frequently, i.e. complex application start-up
 routines - run 2x faster after cleaning.  Usually the result is not
 quite that impressive.

 In a hypothetical worst case where damage is done by the cleaning
 process - something I have never seen happen in a few hundred
 practical cases - the saved registry can be restored with a single
 command and, in effect, nothing happened at all.  Any problems
 that need repair are the same ones that were there before the
 registry cleaner was tried.

 Progressive registry bloat is a feature, not a bug.  It makes a
 computer with a Microsoft operating system appear to be getting old
 and slowing down, which is a Good Thing if you are selling
 computers or operating systems.  Not so good if you are the user who
 owns the machine in question.

 The best repair for any Microsoft operating system is to replace it
 with an operating system that works, or, failing that, reinstall the
 one that came with the machine.  But sometimes that's not an option,
 alas.

 :o/

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Re: [Gimp-user] trial fit new colours on car picture

[Daniel Smith]

saving also...
:)
thanks
dan

On 10/24/12, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 On 10/24/2012 01:44 PM, Jim Clark wrote:
 Wow--

 I will save this. Incredibly clear and detailed--I have never rally
 understood those masks. Still don't, but am sure closer!

 Hey Jim,

 Glad it makes sense to you!  I have saved it and I will probably do
 an illustrated version for my website sometime soon.

 Figuring out how to use layer masks is one of the real
 breakthroughs that make the GIMP a powerful tool.  I have been
 using the GIMP for around 10 years, but I still remember how
 difficult it was for me to wrap my brain around what masks can do.

 You can:

 * Make templates that enable you to quickly and easily create lots
 of different versions of an image, i.e. with different colorization
 as in the present example, or as frames that smaller images will
 appear in, etc.

 * Remove part of a layer, spend a half hour working on the image,
 then undo an error you just found in your removal by painting a
 little white on the corresponding part of the layer's mask.  I
 almost never use the Eraser tool - if you have to go back and undo
 it, you lose all the work you did after using the Eraser.

 * You can paint with any filter by applying filters and effects to
 a copied layer, adding a black mask to make the altered layer
 vanish, then painting the mask with white to make the changes come
 back only where you want them in the visible image.  (Or vice versa:
  Paint black on a white mask to wipe away the filter effect where
 you don't want to see it.)  I find this method especially useful
 when working on portrait shots.

 * Isolate under-exposed elements from over-exposed elements in
 photographs, by making a layer copy and masking out the under-
 exposed part of the top layer.  Then you can adjust the brightness
 and colors of the bright and dark parts of the picture separately.
 If the contrast between over- and under-exposed areas is strong
 enough, you can use the Threshold tool on a throw-away layer to
 create a nearly perfect mask in seconds, that would have taken a
 LONG time to paint by hand - some call this finding the natural mask.

 * Use a black/white gradient on a layer mask to give the layer a
 smooth transition from visible to invisible.  This sometimes comes
 in handy when processing flash photographs, i.e. a line of people on
 a stage where those at the near end are fully exposed and those at
 the far end are under-exposed.

 ... and a whole lot more.

 :o)

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Re: [Gimp-user] background question

[Daniel Smith]

the best way i can think of would be to put a backing on the paper,
not to affix it but just lay it behind the newspaper, when you scan it
so the light doesn't emanate the paper so you don't see the other
side?
just my 2...
dan

On 10/25/12, Chrispy for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
 Hi

 I am trying to remove the background of an image I have scanned of a
 Newspaper.
 The paper was thin and the back side of the paper is visible on the image.
 Is there an easy way to remove this?

 The reverse image is also visible over the main image I am looking at (the
 image is a News Headline, not a Picture.

 Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 All the best

 Chris P

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Re: [Gimp-user] Creating of metal textures?

[Daniel Smith]

can i just ask what 3d software you're using?
daniel

On 10/17/12, Alfhak712 for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
 I am new to GIMP and to the forum. I am in the learning curve and also read
 an excellent book Beginning GIMP by Akkana Peck!

 I am working on a 3D object (a bus) and want to add a deep metal color on
 it!
 I don't know how to make a texture so I get that nice metal color! I am
 going to paint the bus red and some other color but I get lost in all
 effects etc!
 I would like someone to give me advice how I continue after adding a red
 color on the texture so I get it to look like a nice deep metal color!

 Thank you!

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Re: [Gimp-user] Photo Restoration

[Daniel Smith]

Also if you post the photo somewhere like flickr or google picasa
maybe we can get an idea what the restoration might need.
Unfortunately, a lot of that type of stuff can come down to doing it
by hand (mouse), so be prepared to learn the various replication
tools. Great experience though. By the time you're done you'll be a
gimp expert.

On 9/23/12, Steve Kinney ad...@pilobilus.net wrote:
 On 09/23/2012 07:45 AM, Lorgach wrote:
 Hi All,
 I'm a relative newbie at using Gimp or any Photo Editing software but I
 have tried out some adjustments on photos using Gimp and am happy with the
 results.
 I have recently been asked if I could try to restore an old black and
 white photo that is in quite bad shape, full of bends, scratches and is
 also very grainy.
 I have looked through the Tutorials and also done searches on here to try
 and find something that would assist me in carrying out this project but
 there doesn’t seem to be anything that I can find that would help me.
 I would be grateful if someone on the Forum could point me in the right
 direction if some quicker/slicker techniques I could use other that using
 the Cloning and Healing brushes as I have tried this and it’s extremely
 laborious.

 Thanks,
 Jim

 Hey Jim,

 The Colors and Grain script might be very helpful:

 http://registry.gimp.org/node/25148

 If you download the script and put it in the scripts directory of
 your GIMP installation (location varies with operating systems), it
 will appear in the GIMP menu at:  Filters  Leon  Grain-Colors

 How to use this script to remove common photo damage, per the
 plugin's author (scroll down for English):

 http://tinyurl.com/blpcx7s

 This video tutorial on retouching skin explains how to set up the
 grain and color layers by hand without the script:

 http://tinyurl.com/9pszk5s

 An alternate method using the same general principles:

 http://www.gimptalk.com/index.php?showtopic=28265

 :o)

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Re: [Gimp-user] how to exposing more tiff load options for scripting

[Daniel Smith]

I don't exactly get what you mean by 200 page tiffs?
You mean one continuous image that takes 200 pages worth of sub-images?
But anyways, are you using the batch mode? I've never done it but I
understand there
are a lot of options there from non-interactive command line mode?
http://www.google.com/search?client=safarirls=enq=gimp+scripting+options+command+lineie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8
Dan

On 8/18/12, Burnie West w...@ieee.org wrote:
 On 08/18/2012 02:08 PM, Tim Dickson wrote:
 I am trying to load single pages from multipage tiffs, convert them to
 monochrome (dithered), flatten the image, then save them as single
 monochrome,
 ccitt group4 tiffs. - all through scripts.

 The multipage tiffs contain pages in grayscale and colour which were
 created
 using the old style (problematic) jpeg compression option.

 I have tried other tools, such as libtiff (modified with a patch to handle
 the
 old jpeg compression), and the latest version of imagemajick.
 Unfortunately
 they cannot correctly convert the files, whereas gimp can, but only one
 page
 of the multi-page tiff at a time
 (gimp crashes if I load a 5page document (as separate images) then convert

 each image to monochrome,flatten and save in one session)
 Are you using a developmental version (2.9 --)? If not, the crash itself
 warrants a bug report.

 the scripting function for loading tiffs
 file-tiff-load
 does not expose the options to load individual pages, or to select loading
 as
 images or as layers, which the visual file load/import does.

 does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can achieve this using a
 script.?
 manually is not a problem, but too time consuming for large (eg. 200page)
 tiffs.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Layers in reverse

[Daniel Smith]

I think she's talking about something like this in p-shop, saving the
psd plus flattened image:
http://www.laughing-lion-design.com/2007/09/photoshop-tip-create-a-flattened-layer-and-keep-all-your-layers-intact/
Dan

On 8/13/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:

 Actually I think when opening PDFs with layer information Photoshop
 does allow it. PDFs aren't 'images' of course.

 AFAIK, no. Illustrator is capable of that, but Photoshop isn't.

 Alexandre Prokoudine
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP-2.8, SAVE and SAVE AS : why complicate things so that everything could be simpler ?

[Daniel Hauck]

Someone will have to write a patch or eventually a fork to make this 
happen.  The argument is dead.


The implementation and behaviors are somewhat inconsistent.  You can 
open any format you want, you just can save any format you want.  It 
has to be export.  Why not have the only way to get flat image files 
into GiMP import?  Then it would be consistent.  Sorry, you can only 
open XCF files.  You must use import.


People expect consistency and are comfortable with it.  If you can open 
it, you should be able to save it.  If you can import it, you should be 
able to export it.


And the Save As dialog showing files which shows other file format and 
all that.  The argument was made about being able to see filenames.  
Really?  That just doesn't make sense.  If you are saving a file under 
Save as then you already know what you want to save it as and if you 
don't, open a file browser to figure it out.  This is am image 
manipulation program, not a file browser. Let the UI indicate to the 
user what he can do instead of misleading the user as this behavior 
does.  At the very least, set the default filter to All GiMP file 
rather than All Images. People can still do the other thing, but if 
the UI is to convey what a user can do effectively, it should send a 
consistent message.  Intuitive means a user can infer or guess what 
they can do without always consulting a manual or learning the hard way.


I just don't get why it can't be an optional behavior rather than 
you've got no choice in the matter.  After all, the one-window versus 
multiple windows is an option.  Lots of people welcomed the change... I 
did too until I realized I liked multiple windows and turned that option 
back off.  Why does it have to be locked in like that?


My wife uses Photoshop professionally.  She doesn't get the reason for 
this behavior either.  The following describes Photoshop's behavior.


http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WSfd1234e1c4b69f30ea53e41001031ab64-7783a.html

This reminds me of GNOME Shell and Unity... where someone pushed a new 
great idea as an exclusive thing, not as an option and it upset a 
larger community.  GNOME/RedHat essentially took the same stance as 
being taken with GiMP today.  The decision is made. Now there are 
other projects helping to repair the damage and Fedora is now scrambling 
to support MATE in order to repair the damage and bad press.  The 
majority of people asking If GNOME3/GNOME Shell is the answer, what was 
the question?


If some people want a new behavior, why not test it first by making it 
an option to let people see if they can get comfortable with it?  
Instead we got by the way, in addition to all the features and 
improvements you wanted, we also took off the steering wheel and 
replaced it with some levers... you are now driving a bulldozer.


And yes, there will ALWAYS be people who won't be satisfied. There will 
always be people who cheer for change too.  Let's have a poll?


http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZH3LH9R

That took me about a minute to set up.  It's a simple question: Which do 
you prefer?



On 08/13/2012 05:27 AM, maderios wrote:

Hi
This thread supplements   Gimp-2.8_Save and save as bad behavior  
discussion
As I explained, I want to keep choice with save and save as, that's 
why I left gimp-2.8 and  went back in Gimp-2.6


Comparison Gimp-2.8  Krita  Photoshop is interesting.

http://userbase.kde.org/Krita/Manual/ImportExport

http://multimedia.journalism.berkeley.edu/tutorials/photoshop/save/

Regards
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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

[Daniel Smith]

Thanks so much, Aditia. That's awesome stuff.
The last I was involved with such things was when I ran
Lightwave on a Dec Alpha machine, way back when Star
Trek Next Generation was animated by Industrial Light
and Magic.
What general part of the world do you live in?
Just wondering.
Have a great day/night, all.
Dan

On 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama ibnu.h...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Daniel,

 Yes, the latest open movie project by blender foundation known as mango
 project or Tears of Steel will about to release by the next couple of
 week.

 You can follow their progress in their official website
 http://mango.blender.org or http://tearsofsteel.com.

 Most of vfx movies nowadays always using such an fx. Like a fancy
 lensflare, color grading stuff, etc.

 Yes, I run tutorial website in http://fossgrafis.com I keep my shot update
 via youtube http://youtube.com/user/aditpratama1

 My internet connection very limited, but I'll try my best to post my
 progress.

 No problem Daniel, it's a pleasure to get in touch with FOSS community :)
 On Aug 13, 2012 8:20 PM, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote:

 Aditia,
 Very interesting.
 So you're saying they already use blender for movie effects?
 In production anywhere?
 Can you give an example of movies that have used such effects?
 Are you keeping a blog or screen shots of your process?
 Can we see it when you're done?
 Thanks a lot, and sorry for all the questions...
 Dan Smith
 Houston

 On 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama ibnu.h...@gmail.com wrote:
  OMG, I just know this trick. Thanks a million for that Alexander.
 
  But I think, for some new users they still need that toggle :-D
  On Aug 13, 2012 3:09 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine 
  alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
 
   2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the
 first
  time
   you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no
   button
  for
   select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
 
  Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press
  and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make
  that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable
  visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click
  eye icon for the only visibly layer.
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor

[Daniel Smith]

Aditia,
Indonesia. Man, the power of the internet.
Wonderful.
Just my two cents, you probably already know, but it looks
like the Lightworks is almost ready for Ubuntu:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTEyMjE
God, I remember the days of like Mac 8500 being state of the art.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_8500
What you could do now with an i5 or i7 chip and that Lightworks.
Amazing.
Dan

On 8/13/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:

 At that time I also looking for best vfx stuff which run under linux, I
 found out that there's ramenfx but I dunno the progress up until now.

 Ramen has a slightly frightening story.

 The project started as free software, but the developer failed to
 attract new developers and moved to a closed source strategy, while
 rewriting internals of the application. This didn't work all the well
 either.

 After a while his interests changed, and he stopped working on the project.

 Since recently he's working on Ramen 2 which seems to be a free
 software project again (at least, the code is available on Github),
 and he's rewriting things once again.

 IMHO, this is going to be an on-and-off activity until some kind of
 team gets organized. Being a one-man band is not very sustainable.

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Re: [Gimp-user] DON'T HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel Hauck]

Agreed on that point.

But since you brought up the tabbed interface, I thought I would bring 
up an expectation/usability problem I came across while looking 2.8.0 
over... (I'm still learning it actually... not enough time to really sit 
and play... when I use it, there is a purpose and a limited amount of time.)


I wanted to use the single window option.  And when I wanted to copy a 
layer from one tab to another, I wanted to be able to grab the layer 
from the layer panel, drag it and drop it onto a tab. It doesn't work.  
What works, I figured out eventually, is holding it over a tab until it 
becomes selected and then I can drop onto the canvas.  It's not 
intuitive if I expected one behavior and it didn't work... well, 
that's my opinion anyway.  I'm quite sure the current method of 
operation is deliberate, though, as the expected behavior seems too 
obvious.  So I'd be interested to know the reasoning behind not doing it 
that way.  Perhaps there is a very good reason I haven't thought of yet. 
(Always a possibility)



On 07/29/2012 04:41 PM, ang3la wrote:

I LOVE the export feature!
I make a LOT of price tags in GIMP. It is WONDERFUL to export the file and not 
have to re-open the .XCF file over and over. It saves a lot of repeat processes.

I also love the new tab interface for open GIMP files!



I rather like it actually...
I do GIMP workshops for (mainly) old ladies who don't know the first thing
about computers, but enjoy themselves doing silly photomontages and messing
around with pictures of their grandchildren. They used to regularly lose
their only original versions of pics through not knowing the difference
between save and save as (and also not knowing the meaning of
backup).
Now I can relax because this export business has created a safeguard
against that sort of thing, though I hate to think what will happen if my
old ladies (being deviously expert at messing things up) discover the
overwrite command.
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[Gimp-user] Cannot enter Japanese text?

[Daniel Hauck]

The causes of this could be all sorts of things so I do not expect other 
users to have this trouble at all.  But here are my circumstances:


1. Running CentOS 6.3 (running GNOME 2.x and all that)
2. I have mozc installed as my Japanese input method
3. I compiled GiMP 2.8 (and a boat-load of dependencies) from source 
into /opt/gimp-2.8


One annoying symptom which may or may not be related is the fact that my 
GTK themes do not apply or carry over from my normal operating environment.


But the reason I'm writing this is that I cannot enter Japanese text 
into GiMP.  When I open the text tool, I try to switch over to mozc and 
I cannot when using either CTRL-SPACE or ALT-~ (alt-grave).  And I also 
cannot do it by clicking the IME selection thing in the systray as it 
says (i) No input window when I put the mouse to it.


I can, however, open up gedit or some other text editor, create Japanese 
text, copy and paste it into GiMP.


Was/is there a compile option to enable other input methods?  Or GTK 
themes?  Or for that matter command line switches or environment 
variables I need to set from a shell script launch routine to address 
either of these problems?


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Re: [Gimp-user] Cannot enter Japanese text?

[Daniel Hauck]

On 07/22/2012 05:20 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:

On Sun, 2012-07-22 at 15:47 -0400, Daniel Hauck wrote:
You may need to open tool options for the text tool and choose use 
input editor. Liam 


Did that... should have added that to my original message.  The results 
are the same.


I believe the problem is connected with my lack of theme support in that 
the program and libraries living in /opt/gimp-2.8 are not finding 
something which connects it to the rest of the UI which, I'm guessing, 
wants to see GNOME/GTK things and falls back to X11 things which 
produces the bland/generic results I am seeing.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Why I went back from GIMP 2.8 to 2.6.x

[Daniel Smith]

Can't we all get along?
http://abcnews.go.com/meta/search/imageDetail?format=plainsource=http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ap_obit_rodney_king_swimming_pool_jt_120617
Thanks,
Dan

On 6/30/12, Francesco Scaglioni f...@mossdog.net wrote:
 Hi,

 I seem to be in a minority opinion on this list. For my workflow the new
 behaviour is great. Raw to GIMP, work on image for a bit, saves as xcf, come
 back another time, do more work on xcf and when finally happy export to
 jpeg. If I wanted bulk raw to jpeg then I would simply do all adjustments
 necessary in either rawstudio or darktable. For those special images a
 default save to xcf suits me absolutely fine.

 Just my 2d worth.


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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP corrupted photo now unable to open! PLEASE HELP!!!

[Daniel Smith]

Just a thought, that I don't think anybody's suggested yet,
is what operating system are you using?
I mean I know you said you did a lot of work on it before
you took it into Gimp, so perhaps you have still a version of
it that is pre-Gimp somewhere else, CD USB etc, or better
yet, might be able to access a backup point on Win 7 or Time
Machine etc on Mac to go back to a previous version?
I've never even set up . Machine on mine, but I see it is
available, and I have used restore points on Windows 7, which
actually worked amazingly well...
Just a thought.
Dan

On 6/17/12, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
 On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 11:45 -0700, Angela D wrote:
 I spent a lot of time editing this photo and when I uploaded it into
 gimp to further edit and attempted to save, it would not.


 Note for the future - use Save to save a copy in xcf or xcf.gz format if
 you will be working on it again. If there is only one layer then save in
 png so other programs can open it. Then, use File-export (or in gimp
 2.6 or before, file-save) to save a snapshot in jpg, e.g. for the Web.

 Second note - if there are error messages when you save, make sure the
 saved file is OK before quitting - this is try with any program, not
 only GIMP.

 I've lost a lot of work when the power went out in an unexpected storm,
 and been frustrated too, so I do know how it feels.


 My guess is that your disk is full, or you ran out of memory, because
 there's no image in the file you sent.  It's possible it was a bug in
 gimp, but without knowing exactly what you mean by I uploaded it into
 gimp to further edit and attempted to save, it would not we can't be
 sure.  For example, how exactly did gimp refuse to save? Was there no
 save menu item? Was Save there but when you tried you got a message
 saying it didn't work? What message exactly? There are more than a
 thousand possible messages you could have got, many not from gimp but
 from your computer or your network, and if there _is_ a bug it's not
 going to be possible to fix it without knowing that. Otherwise you might
 as well say my car is doing something wrong and won't go and now we had
 to stop in Bognor Regis overnight so you must tell me what is wrong with
 my car - the mechanic will want to know if it has fuel, if there are
 warning lights, and if it stopped before or after it hit the brick
 wall :-) :-)

 Best,

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Re: [Gimp-user] The Book of GIMP

[Daniel Smith]

Nice font.
Rammetto?
Dan

On 5/31/12, Olivier oleca...@gmail.com wrote:
 Although The Book of GIMP will be published by No Starch only at the
 end of August, its companion website is already available:

 http://the-book-of-gimp.org

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Re: [Gimp-user] Wacom pens with rotation supported ?

[Daniel Smith]

Since we're on this topic, does anyone have any recommendations
for good artpad/pen sets to buy? Used, good price, etc?
I have an old Wacom/Intuos1 pad, and have lost it's pen, and
was thinking about finding a replacement, but on second thought
I figured it's probably a waste of time and should look for a newer
set that can make use of newer features?
Thanks.
Dan

On 5/14/12, Gwenouille for...@gimpusers.com wrote:

It's used for this one too.

Your link does not work for me, but I know the Art Pen. I'm using it
with the Wheel parameter.

 OK, thanks Olivier, that's great news !


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Re: [Gimp-user] QUESTION OF ETHICS

[Daniel Smith]

Well, I looked at some of the auctions of Gimp there, and one was for 99 cents,
others for like 4 bucks highest i saw was 20 dollars. Some of these
sales are packages including open office, etc. It's basically the
price to get a version burned to a cd. It's like when I wanted to
install Ubuntu, eventually I figured out how to download and burn a
disk image, but in the meantime I had to buy a burner for 33 bucks.
But back when I didn't have a burner or didn't readily know how to
burn it I bought a Ubuntu disk for 4 dollars, well worth the cost.
Dan

On 5/10/12, Jay Smith j...@jaysmith.com wrote:
 On 05/10/2012 04:26 PM, Russ Marshall wrote:
 Can anyone explain to me why GIMP allows their “FREE” software to be
 SOLD on eBay? There are those of us
 who have been cheated by sellers who, when you win the auction send you
 the URL for GIMP web page where
 you may download it for free
 I have complained to eBay but they will not do anything about it.
 RUSS MARSHALL


 Russ,

 Gimp developers do not allow or not allow sales.  The Gimp license
 does not prevent such activity.  That is part of the whole open-source
 software world, it is not related only to Gimp.

 No, such activity is not honorable -- if the seller has not added any
 value to transaction, but since it is not a disallowed activity, it is
 not illegal.  Whether it is ethical or not is a decision above my pay
 grade.  I don't like it, but even vultures and possums have their role
 in the world.

 However... I believe strongly -- and I do apply this thinking to myself
 as well -- that one should first look to oneself before deciding to
 blame others.  Did you know that you were buying Gimp?  Did you know
 what you were going to be receiving?  If you did know that you were
 buying Gimp, did you research it (doing a simple Google search would
 have told you everything) before bidding on it.  Or, if you did not know
 what product you were buying, why did you bid on it?  All these types of
 questions should perhaps be considered before blaming everybody else.

 If you were not previously aware of Gimp and you did not do any research
 to find Gimp (or other free / open-source software), then perhaps the
 eBay seller did actually provide some value for the price they charged
 -- in a devious kind of way, they have introduced you to the wonderful
 world of Gimp.  If Gimp cost $200 or $500, it would still be worth it to
 _many_ people, myself included.

 So, perhaps this is just a life lesson:  Know exactly what you are
 bidding on, research alternative sources before bidding, etc., etc.

 By the way, there is a huge and wonderful world of free / open-source
 software around there.  Explore that world and you will find a lot of
 great, free programs you had no idea existed.

 Jay
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel Smith]

I didn't mean for Gimp proper to offer different versions
or make it part of the program in preferences etc.
I meant where are the files that determine what the dialog
boxes and menus say, and where exporting and/or saving
are accomplished to? It can't be that hard, you're just talking
about meta files or something, right?
Dan

On 5/5/12, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Daniel Smith wrote:
 Is it really that complicated to change the menus
 and dialog boxes or the existence of them based
 around user preferences?
 Is there a link anywhere to how it's written?
 I can guarantee you that when I worked in a big
 graphics house they'd find a way to alter them.

 Well, adding options that change behavior of an application always has
 some consequences.

 1) The code gets messier, especially if you keep adding things on top.
 E.g. think of the proposed solution for native CMYK separation -- it
 is supposed to benefit from the new model where the internal data is
 32bit float linear RGB, and everything else is exporting material
 that's being worked on in a separate projection.

 2) Documentation and tutorials become confusing.

 That's just off top of my head.

 Alexandre Prokoudine
 http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel Jensen]

Alexandre,


That change is there for a reason. And the reason is that we are
trying to target a special group of users who have certain workflows
and work on files in certain ways.


As I said in my previous email, I understand the reasons and 
fundamentally agree with the change, and I really don't think the 
reasons only apply to a special group of users. There really is no 
such sharply defined group.


There is a continuum of uses and of users, and the focus of the GIMP's 
vision is somewhat towards the high end of the use continuum. The 
justification for the export change is strongest for the uses which are 
in focus for that vision. Just as there is no way to always separate 
what you see in your visual field into the two categories entirely in 
focus and not at all in focus, there's a gradation in how much 
particular real users' uses of the GIMP are in focus as developers 
pursue their vision. You can't separate folks into the categories of 
users who always use the software in an idealized entirely 'high-end' 
way and users who always use the software in a completely 'casual' 
way. So the benefits of the save/export change are a gradation rather 
than a binary variable too. Sure, some people may be so offended by 
having to change either their keystrokes or their save patterns that 
they'll go elsewhere. But I'm convinced that will have more to do with 
their temperaments than their use patterns.



Now, personally, that is, not on behalf of the team, I think that
anyone who is trying to imply that we hate users, or ignore users, or
try to force something on them simply needs to calm down, go outside,
breath some fresh air and spend a great time with friends or family.
Then go back and discuss this as a grown-up person.


I fully agree with this and with most of the rest of what you've said, 
and I understand your frustration with the shouting way people are 
reacting to the change. I just think folks need to be careful about 
giving the wrong impression in their reactions to this shouting. You 
know there is no us vs them, no either you're an exact instantiation 
of this idealized user with this idealized workflow or you need to stop 
using the software, etc. But less-informed people could start to get 
that impression from the way some of the early posts in this 
conversation went.


-Dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel Smith]

So 2.8 saves the history as well?
Just wondering. On a Mac and still
looking...Course'n, it's a ppc mac so it probably
won't work even when they do offer...
Thanks.
Dan

On 5/4/12, jfrazie...@nc.rr.com jfrazie...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 It certainly is not intuitive. The operation should be symmetrical: If I
 open a PNG, save should save a PNG (unless I applied changes which would
 disappear if saved as a PNG, in which case I'd like a warning).

 And that's the point, GETTING rid of the damn warnings!  For me, every
 single
 time I edit/create a jpeg/png file, this just goes to slow things WAY down.
 One
 dialog for export/ignore/cancel + if this is the first save, an additional
 one
 to set the quality.  The change fixes that by forcing me to be be
 explicit(ie, I want to export).

 Also, one slip of the finger in 2.6(Ignore instead of export) on that damned

 dialog box and low an behold all of my layer work is GONE, PERMANENTLY,
 FOREVER  Now my nice workflow where I do lots of non destructive
 editing
 is for naught because I hit the wrong damn button.   The goal here is to be
 damn
 sure that this type of silliness does not happen anymore by making you be
 explicit
 in your workflow.  I know dozens of people who have lost tens or even
 hundreds of layers in a second by a mis-key and this change will totally
 prevent
 them from loosing work at the cost of some people having to adapt to change
 and
 spend and extra 2-4 seconds per image.

 Do you really think your few extra seconds are more important than possibly
 hours
 worth of work by people who use the features of GIMP that take it far beyond

 a simple photo editor?   BTW, I am high functioning autism, so I do not
 adapt to
 change well myself, but IMHO, this is a good change mainly because I have
 been
 burned by this exact problem before.
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Re: [Gimp-user] HATE the new save vs. export behavior

[Daniel Smith]

Can I just ask Alexander Prokoudinea question then, since he's obviously
very tied to the project intimately?
Can I ask if this decision to go to export vs. save, is it somewhat based
around needs of people running gimp without the interface, as a server
component?
Just wondering.
Dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Convert PS USM settings to Gimp

[Daniel Smith]

Sven,
Yes I haven't found any direct conversions yet, but in the meantime
here is a page that is a great article in that the guy compares how to
use USM in Gimp, Photoshop, and ImageMagick, which I only came
across lately via Linux and mobile development research I was doing:

http://redskiesatnight.com/2005/04/06/sharpening-using-image-magick/

That's a good one. I was going to write to him and ask him something
about his site, but I'll also ask about the usm conversion.

Dan

On 4/27/12, Autoart for...@gimpusers.com wrote:
Thanks for the links Dan they are great sources. But none of them really
tells me about the relation between PS and GIMP USM settings. Myself, I
usally set radius 10 , amount 0.5 and threshold to 4 and play with the
values around those defaults a bit until I am happy, but it would be
interesting to see if someone actually knew the relation between PS and
 GIMP USM.

 I have never used/seen Photoshop so don't know the ratios between PS and
 GIMP USM.

 What are the ranges for Photoshop ie Gimp's are
 Radius   0.1-120
 Amount  0-10.00
 Threshold   0-255

 Once we have this then we can convert the PS settings and see if they look
 the same in Gimp.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Convert PS USM settings to Gimp

[Daniel Smith]

there are some great pages out there on this.
thanks for making me look for them.
feels like i'm back in graphics...
:)
http://www.brighthub.com/multimedia/photography/articles/15080.aspx
http://www.tankedup-imaging.com/unsharp.html
http://gimpguru.org/tutorials/smartsharpening/
http://registry.gimp.org/node/25326
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=686542
ok:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/GIMP/Unsharp_Mask
dan

On 4/26/12, Sven Tryding s...@tryding.se wrote:
 I would also like to understand the Unsharp Mask settings. I have never used

 photoshop but I can't imagine that e.g. the settings Amount 85% Radius:1
 Threshold:4 would turn out the same in photoshop as they will do in Gimp
 (i.e the result of the image after having used USM with the same settings).
 So if anyone on this list dare to give a rough translation between photoshop

 USM settings and GIMP USM settings I would be happy as well.

 Sven


 -Ursprungligt meddelande-
 From: Autoart
 Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:54 PM
 To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
 Cc: t...@gimpusers.com
 Subject: [Gimp-user] Convert PS USM settings to Gimp

 Hi
 Can anybody convert the following Photoshop USM settings to Gimp? I want to

 use them in David's Batch Processor.

 Amount: 85%
 Radius: 1
 Threshold: 4

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Re: [Gimp-user] How can I create huge billboard sized files in super high dpi?

[Daniel Smith]

Well, I got it to work, at least theoretically.
I think it's in the same way that you would create a large image in
Photoshop, but to test it I opened an image that I already had that was
72 d[i and about 35 inches wide, an old pic of my cat.

With ImageScale Image I bumped up the resolution, then with
ImageCanvas Size I bumped up the size, in this case to 58X72 inches.
The thing is to play with the chain link icons in these boxes, if you try
to change the resolution then all it will do is inverse the size if you don't
unlink them. (Of course, I'd like to hear from any of the experts on this list.
I'm just a graphics hack.

By the way, have you ever made an image this large before? Even at 58X72
at 1400 dpi with color that's going to be a monstrous file. My machine went for
minutes and hadn't finished resizing it so I exited. Of course on this
Mac I only have
one gig of ram at present, but I don't know if any computer could
handle an 80 yard
file, Photoshop or Gimp. You'd better have a lot of cpu, ram, and
extra hd space,
swap file space.

Do you have any links or examples of fabric you've created? I've always been
interested in that.

Waiting for real the advice...
Dan

On 4/24/12, Tara Gover taraje...@mail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,

  I am printing super high res images onto fabric. My print guy has
 instructed me to create my images in 1440 dpi and my fabric is 58 inches
 wide and about 80 yards long. I need to create ONE image so they can just
 print it continuously along the whoe piece of fabric. So I need to create a
 REALLY BIG image. They have recommended Adobe Creative Suite, but of course
 I want to do it with GIMP.

  Just today, I installed the latest GIMP, and it doesn't seem to be letting
 me create even a 58x72 inch image in 1440 dpi. Is there an add on or a way
 that I can create huge tiff files in GIMP?.or do I have to shell out the
 cash and get Creative Suite?


  Thanks!

  Tara

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Re: [Gimp-user] How can I create huge billboard sized files in super high dpi?

[Daniel Smith]

The thing is, in what format does the company ask for you to contribute
your work in? I know Photoshop used to have the ability to export to vectors
even a long time ago, and certainly Illustrator I am assuming is still a part of
Adobe CS, but if you can use vectors you can start or work with a bitmap or
photo etc, and edit in gimp, however you begin the images, then
convert to vector.

I did a search for Exporting from Gimp to vectors and it came up with some
pretty interesting stuff, especially the svg stuff.

http://registry.gimp.org/node/15375

Dan

On 4/25/12, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, I got it to work, at least theoretically.
 I think it's in the same way that you would create a large image in
 Photoshop, but to test it I opened an image that I already had that was
 72 d[i and about 35 inches wide, an old pic of my cat.

 With ImageScale Image I bumped up the resolution, then with
 ImageCanvas Size I bumped up the size, in this case to 58X72 inches.
 The thing is to play with the chain link icons in these boxes, if you try
 to change the resolution then all it will do is inverse the size if you
 don't
 unlink them. (Of course, I'd like to hear from any of the experts on this
 list.
 I'm just a graphics hack.

 By the way, have you ever made an image this large before? Even at 58X72
 at 1400 dpi with color that's going to be a monstrous file. My machine went
 for
 minutes and hadn't finished resizing it so I exited. Of course on this
 Mac I only have
 one gig of ram at present, but I don't know if any computer could
 handle an 80 yard
 file, Photoshop or Gimp. You'd better have a lot of cpu, ram, and
 extra hd space,
 swap file space.

 Do you have any links or examples of fabric you've created? I've always
 been
 interested in that.

 Waiting for real the advice...
 Dan

 On 4/24/12, Tara Gover taraje...@mail.com wrote:
 Hi guys,

  I am printing super high res images onto fabric. My print guy has
 instructed me to create my images in 1440 dpi and my fabric is 58 inches
 wide and about 80 yards long. I need to create ONE image so they can just
 print it continuously along the whoe piece of fabric. So I need to create
 a
 REALLY BIG image. They have recommended Adobe Creative Suite, but of
 course
 I want to do it with GIMP.

  Just today, I installed the latest GIMP, and it doesn't seem to be
 letting
 me create even a 58x72 inch image in 1440 dpi. Is there an add on or a
 way
 that I can create huge tiff files in GIMP?.or do I have to shell out
 the
 cash and get Creative Suite?


  Thanks!

  Tara


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Re: [Gimp-user] How can I create huge billboard sized files in super high dpi?

[Daniel Smith]

So, the 144 would be basically twice the web resolutio of 72 to make
for better resampling on resize, or no relation?
Dan

On 4/25/12, Liam R E Quin l...@holoweb.net wrote:
 On Tue, 2012-04-24 at 21:44 -0400, Tara Gover wrote:
 Hi guys,

  I am printing super high res images onto fabric. My print guy has
 instructed me to create my images in 1440 dpi

 I think he meant 144 dpi, which is a common resolution used for colour
 images in print.

 If the thread count of the fabric is 200 or higher (e.g. a high-end
 sheet or a silk shirt) it'd plausibly take twice the thread count or
 more, but I'd say try a sample at 144dpi.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Review: The Artists Guide to GIMP, 2nd edition

[Daniel Smith]

and, I am amazed to see all the gimp books on amazon!
didn't even know.
thnkx
dan

On 4/23/12, Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for all the references (and any
 others that still may show). Just for
 archive/reference, I was going to mention
 the Packt book they have on Gimp, but a
 search there showed two others that use
 Gimp for architecture or with Blender:
 http://www.packtpub.com/books/all?keys=gimp
 Thanks again.
 Dan

 On 4/23/12, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer unham...@fsfe.org wrote:
 Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com writes:

 On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Daniel Smith wrote:
 While we're on this topic, can anyone mention
 any other best Gimp books they might know of?
 (Not to detract from the ones mentioned already,
 but I am already planning on getting them and
 would like to know any others.) Gotta get up to
 speed with any advanced techniques I can find.
 I've often found these books give a great quick
 method into areas of the programs you might
 overlook.

 There are very few books on GIMP that cover advanced techniques. Sad but
 true.

 If you have a good colour printer I guess you could print out
 http://blog.patdavid.net/p/getting-around-in-gimp.html
 =P


 -Kevin

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Re: [Gimp-user] Review: The Artists Guide to GIMP, 2nd edition

[Daniel Smith]

While we're on this topic, can anyone mention
any other best Gimp books they might know of?
(Not to detract from the ones mentioned already,
but I am already planning on getting them and
would like to know any others.) Gotta get up to
speed with any advanced techniques I can find.
I've often found these books give a great quick
method into areas of the programs you might
overlook.
Thanks
Dan
Houston
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Re: [Gimp-user] Switching to Mac, any advice?

[Daniel Smith]

Kevin, you just had to throw it in about Linux, didn't you...
:)
I totally agree with you though.
I actually used to run Ubuntu with Gimp on that, and loved it.
But I come from long graphics experience, and wish to use many
of the other programs, video, audio etc that run on macs.
But thanks for the help. I love this list, btw. Lots of very nice,
smart and helpful people here.
Daniel
Houston

On 3/5/12, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer unham...@fsfe.org wrote:
 Daniel Smith opened...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi all.
 I'm switching from Gimp on Windows to a Mac.
 (It's an older one, a G5 tower with Leopard only,
 but it's nice to be back on a Mac again.)
 Before I just download and install without
 thinking, I thought I might ask anyone for
 advice they might give for the best install for mac,
 or perhaps any packages on mac that are better
 or features not available on Windows, etc?
 Thanks for any ideas.
 Daniel

 Last time I used a Mac, the GIMP on OS X link from
 http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/ seemed like the most user-friendly option
 to me. Leopard and newer have X11 included, so it's only the one
 download, and http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Photo_editing.html says
 Resynthesizer etc. is included, so you get lots of plugins that you'd
 have to download and install one by one on Windows[1].

 If you want the 2.7 beta, I guess you'll have to compile / use MacPorts.


 -Kevin


 [1]  Of course, on Linux, it's even easier =P


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Re: [Gimp-user] Web development question?

[Daniel Smith]

Wow, thank you all so much for the helpful,
detailed responses. What a nice body of background
for me to work from. I worked for a long time in Photoshop
for print, but not web stuff.
Thanks again. I love this gimp list...
Have a great week and weekend.
Dan
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[Gimp-user] Web development question?

[Daniel Smith]

Hey all. I would hope this might get some responses...

I just today saved my first png file.
In doing so Gimp came up with a choice box, as to parameters you can choose
or not:

Interlacing (Adam7) (whatever that is)
Save background color
Save gamma
Save layer offset
Save resolution
Save creation time

Can anyone tell me which of these options they use?
What does Adam7 mean?

I am looking to create some web pages with drupal.
Can anyone tell me their process they use to do
a similar goal? (With drupal or WP, etc.) What I'm thinking
is that certain of the settings are compatible or not with
the blogging engine or not? do you use png or jpeg?, etc.

Just wondering. Trying to get up to speed.

Thanks so much.

Dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Use GIMP for commercial / business purposes?

[Daniel Smith]

Have there been lawsuits or fines regarding open source
cases though? It's funny, for all the times I've heard of for
example Microsoft or Adobe or whoever being involved in these
evaluations of businesses where they check for licenses etc,
and massive levies afterward, (whether the stories were real
or created) I've never heard of any open source lawsuits or snares.
Just wondering what you meant by testing your luck.
Dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Use GIMP for commercial / business purposes?

[Daniel Smith]

thanks all.
dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Use GIMP for commercial / business purposes?

[Daniel Smith]

But what about fonts?
I assume that all fonts would have to be registered,
or how do you work that?
Just wondering.
Dan
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Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop vs Gimp for mobile dev?

[Daniel Smith]

Well I'm glad I asked.
Thanks for all the great info and answers.
But one thing I forgot to mention in my first big spiel,
(I'm very new to Gimp so am just trying to get the capabilities of it)
is, whether anyone knows of has personal experience using Gimp
for incorporation with video editing or like After Effects, work like
that? Just wondering. I see some pages on that, but thought
since you all have so much experience with it...
Thanks again for all the help,
Dan

On 12/31/11, Ronald F. Guilmette r...@tristatelogic.com wrote:

 In message
 CAL8n2zMck+rVT-xF=6k621a6iyzfoczmjvprvrbun-gffb_...@mail.gmail.com
 , Frank Gore g...@friendlyphotozone.com wrote:

http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/373

I've used Digikam for my photo collections for years.

 Hey!  Thanks a bunch!  I didn't know about that one at all.
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