set $Linux=Gnu/Liunx# I don't want another flame war on trivialities;)
Hello Guys $ Gals,
Well, I normally do not participate in such discussions, maybe I am a
bit shy or maybe I don't care.
But seriously instead of banging your heads with each other and making
a really good atmosphere
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 10:58, Raj Mathur wrote:
Hassath Also, how about adding a link to the HOW TO ENCOURAGE
Hassath WOMEN IN LINUX which I sent in my earlier posting? At
Hassath least that might indicate to members that the list has at
Hassath least thought about making
1. If you reall want a woman in here f**king stop treating them like woman
and treat them like other human beings.
2. If Women really think this is helping please look back, it only makes
us think you want special treatment
THE most sensible post on the thread!
Stop asking for 'special
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Manpreet == Manpreet Singh Nehra [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Manpreet Would You guys just drop this f**king thread.
Manpreet [snip]
Hey, if you don't like it don't read it! all people can't be
interested in all things, and it's pretty simple
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 11:33, Saurabh Nanda wrote:
snip
Rant stops here... go back to work and be more productive.
Nandz.
Just proves people aren't actually reading the HOW TO. This mail, and
the one it is responding to (Manpreet's) would be enough to keep women
off the list- now I fully
Saurabh Nanda wrote:
1. If you reall want a woman in here f**king stop treating them like woman
and treat them like other human beings.
2. If Women really think this is helping please look back, it only makes
us think you want special treatment
THE most sensible post on the
At 2005-08-24 11:33:08 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Men women have differences which should be resepected. Move on.
Move on is exactly what women are doing, and they don't seem any worse
for it. Remember that we're having this discussion because someone asked
specifically why women don't
again for you kind information kindly go to
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/
Been there... read that. Not at all informative. The regular
run-of-the-mill stuff!
I haven't been to recent meets... so I can't comment on the women
unfriendly atmosphere there.
So don't
(Oh, and please disabuse yourself of the notion that only women are put
off by crass behaviour. There do exist men who don't think respectful
behaviour is special treatment.)
Okay... brings me back to the point - other than making fun of them
when they specifically ask for special treatment...
At 2005-08-24 12:29:51 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Instead of taking potshots at me, could you actually list out such
disrespectful behaviour on the mailing list which causes such a
less number of women to participate online?
Certainly. There have been several instances of such behaviour
3. Perhaps I don't need to respond to the remark
about women having to
accept men as they are- it has been responded to.
But I just want to
make the point that it is the kind of remark that is
enough to make a
woman want to withdraw from the list. No woman is
obliged to accept any
man
At 2005-08-22 23:20:30 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No more social cause statments from me. :)
Excellent. Thank you for your cooperation.
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On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 11:50, Nitin Chandra wrote:
I cant begin to comprehend the limited vision with
which the context of my statment is understood. :)
Well if this is the way individuals have an
understanding, so be it...I Accept their level of
understanding.
No more social cause
Dear Abhijit and Hassath,
I wanted to say that Nitin may have a point there.
Nitin has mentioned that what he intended to say is
not what you understood from his email. Now, we know
that language has its limitations and words are prone
to misinterpretation, reinterpretation ...whatever
(there you
On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 14:13, Prashant Verma wrote:
Dear Abhijit and Hassath,
I wanted to say that Nitin may have a point there.
Nitin has mentioned that what he intended to say is
not what you understood from his email.
Hi Prashant,
I am actually quite tired of all this- like i mentioned
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Neither am I a student of sociology or culture, and nor do I have the
necessary knowledge to dwell at this point of time thus, I will not
dwell into the nature of society at large. It is a big question and many
have spent their entire life on the quest which still remains
At 2005-08-22 10:30:29 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Suggestions about what to do next:
a) The talk idea was good - In fact, it needn't be one person coming
down to talk on Gender issues on public mailing lists and/or take in
perspective of the greater socio/political aspect.
After some
On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 09:47, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote:
Suggestions about what to do next:
No, I think it's imperative that people stop associating the idea of
encouraging women to participate with yet-another-talk about how to
encourage women to participate.
I think we should try instead
Would You guys just drop this f**king thread.
If you guys really think this discussion is doing anything useful then you
should check the time spent on reading this s**t. Get some life ppl.
1. If you reall want a woman in here f**king stop treating them like woman
and treat them like other human
Manpreet Singh Nehra wrote:
Would You guys just drop this f**king thread.
I guess we should drop you and your nonsense from this thread. I am not
sure what the guidelines are but my guess and vote is that you are
beyond limits
If you guys really think this discussion is doing anything
Hassath == hassath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hassath [snip]
Hassath Indeed, if I felt that I would be treated as just another
Hassath human being with an interest in FLOSS, I would feel
Hassath encouraged- I (or any other woman) would dislike being
Hassath looked at as the
At 2005-08-19 13:32:33 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the prevailing atmosphere???
Right. I can answer that question better now, mostly by having studied
the responses in this thread. Let's have a look, shall we?
1. Denial. What's wrong with the atmosphere, dammit?
2. Proof-by-anecdote that
hassath wrote:
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 22:45, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote:
And Pankaj, this thread repeatedly will raise its ugly head because
this issue has not been resolved. I am not sorry that it causes
discomfort in your complacent world.
I am neither discomforted by the discussion nor am I
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 12:25, Pankaj kaushal wrote:
I am neither discomforted by the discussion nor am I complacent, merely
un-interested in discussions without a result.
If there is a result-less discussion, maybe you could take more
responsibility for it- you too are part of this list. What
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 12:07, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote:
At 2005-08-19 13:32:33 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the prevailing atmosphere???
Right. I can answer that question better now, mostly by having studied
the responses in this thread. Let's have a look, shall we?
1. Denial. What's
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Hassath == hassath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hassath [snip]
Hassath Thanks ams- i agree with all your points. I want to add
Hassath another one, which i have mentioned in my response to
Hassath Pankaj- the freedel blog has a
Fair enough. The attempt at humour was supposed to
achieve the
reverse of what you are reading it as, but that
doesn't make a
difference in this context.
As I see it, we have two options open to us:
- - Everyone introspect and figure out ways of doing
things right so
that more
On Monday, 22 Aug 2005 1:19 pm, hassath wrote:
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 12:25, Pankaj kaushal wrote:
I am neither discomforted by the discussion nor am I complacent, merely
un-interested in discussions without a result.
If there is a result-less discussion, maybe you could take more
Nitin Chandra wrote:
--if i may add the fourth option
where by women can accept men as they are and STILL
come forward and make a difference rather than be in
the stand and comment.
Well thats the standard arguement accept us as we are .
So one is not expected to change for the better.
hassath wrote:
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 12:25, Pankaj kaushal wrote:
If there is a result-less discussion, maybe you could take more
responsibility for it- you too are part of this list. What a typically
privileged attitude - Oh, nothing comes out of these discussions! If
you saw it as being in
On Monday, 22 Aug 2005 2:32 pm, Raj Mathur wrote:
Fair enough. The attempt at humour was supposed to achieve the
reverse of what you are reading it as, but that doesn't make a
difference in this context.
Actually Raj, now that I have re-read it, I agree with Hassath that it is
*potentially*
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
Hassath, let us discuss this without getting bitter. I understand the
frustation, and I do agree with AMS that atmosphere in the LUG meets is
something that will make women (or children or any elderly people)
uncomfortable.
Sandip this bitterness - which you
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 15:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well thats the standard arguement accept us as we are .
So one is not expected to change for the better.
men are abusive so let them be - accept them as they are
men can harass women - accept that
men can use crude and filthy
Hassath
On the other hand, perhaps they need to hear more of the other
perspective...
Regards,
But it always helps to have the other around. In fact the more others
the better it will get I hope
ram
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At 2005-08-22 02:48:17 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
where by women can accept men as they are and STILL come forward
and make a difference rather than be in the stand and comment.
Which nicely removes all responsibility from you, and allows you to say,
with a straight face, that the problem
On Monday, 22 Aug 2005 3:56 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sandip this bitterness - which you see - is not being able to get an
important issue across. Check out the number of typical male mails
As I said, I understand the reason behind the bitterness, but being bitter
never helps in having a
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wrote:
Nitin Chandra wrote:
--if i may add the fourth option
where by women can accept men as they are and STILL
come forward and make a difference rather than be
in
the stand and comment.
Well thats the standard arguement accept us as
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 15:33, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
On Monday, 22 Aug 2005 1:19 pm, hassath wrote:
Hassath, let us discuss this without getting bitter. I understand the
frustation, and I do agree with AMS that atmosphere in the LUG meets is
something that will make women (or children or
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Ram == ramnarayan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ram [snip]
Ram Again why somebody with experience - why make someone else
Ram responsible for the clean up - is this clean up going to be
Ram restricted to the list - thats one way . But
Just one quibble in isolation:
At 2005-08-22 15:33:13 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sigh. See how difficult being politically correct all the time is?
Sandeep, it's not about being politically correct. At all. Ever.
Everyone thinks political correctness is ridiculous, including women,
At 2005-08-22 03:54:17 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well I HAVE BEEN CATCALLED N WISTLED BY GROUP OF WOMEN UNKNOWN TO ME
OH MY GOD! THOSE SHAMELESS HUSSIES!
How *dare* they complain about oppression or exclusion?!
Women just need to jump in and get the language barrier resolved
during
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 16:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But it always helps to have the other around. In fact the more others
the better it will get I hope
ram
Thanks Ram. At any rate, I am not interested in exchanging insults and
accusations.(It's not a woman's way, honestly ;-)) Those
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 15:55, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote:
On Monday, 22 Aug 2005 2:32 pm, Raj Mathur wrote:
Actually Raj, now that I have re-read it, I agree with Hassath that it is
*potentially* offensive to women. While it might be perceived as humorous to
men, it appears condescending to
At 2005-08-22 10:30:29 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One thing which we can very clearly disregard is the possibility
that the list is not interested.
Right.
Enough people are interested in solving the problem that rehashing the
argument will just give the disinclined more rope to waste
[snip]
But yes, I have been on this list for a few months, and have not
heard anyone actually mention it as a loss- the fact that there
are no 'active' women on the list.
I don't know what you were expecting to see, but the subject does come
up every now and then: people wonder why
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 22:45, Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote:
At 2005-08-19 17:17:31 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In all my experiences, I haven't encountered any sexism towards
females in areas related to computing. Not even bad jokes.
I wonder if that's because you (and other people)
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 08:16, Viksit Gaur wrote:
Hullo,
I was wondering, in reference to Raj's commment..
Hi D00dz and D00d3tt3z,
How many dood3tt3z are actually on this list? :)
Cheers,
Viksit
--
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Take it further and ask- if there are few women, why
Hassath == hassath [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hassath [snip]
Hassath Take it further and ask- if there are few women, why is
Hassath it so? And if there are a substantial number, why they
Hassath don't post. And the answer is NOT that there are not
Hassath enough bright
On Fri, 2005-08-19 at 12:54, Raj Mathur wrote:
OK, so in your opinion why are there so few women? Is it an innate
issue with perceived geekiness? Or something specific to this list
(or User Group) that keeps them distant? Or do we need to perform
some specific tasks or activities that
hassath wrote:
mention it as a loss- the fact that there are no 'active' women on the
list. So I want to know if you guys have ever at any point felt the need
for a gender equitable representation on the list? If yes, what steps
have you taken to find out the reasons- and try to make it
Take it further and ask- if there are few women, why is it so? And if
there are a substantial number, why they don't post. And the answer is
NOT that there are not enough bright women interested in GNU/Linux.
This is too serious a question to be mentioned as an aside...
And yes, in case
At 2005-08-19 17:17:31 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In all my experiences, I haven't encountered any sexism towards
females in areas related to computing. Not even bad jokes.
I wonder if that's because you (and other people) misjudge what might
actually make women uncomfortable. I'm sure
Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote:
would claim to be anti-women, but I've often felt that the prevailing
atmosphere is likely to discourage women from ever visiting more than
the prevailing atmosphere???
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Greetings,
Hmm.. a simple query seems to have stirred up a
hornets nest - and maybe for the better. But that
remains to be seen I guess.
Apart from other issues which I think I'll probably
devote another email to..
--- Abhijit Menon-Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the prevailing
atmosphere is
Hi.
At 2005-08-19 16:08:43 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But yes, I have been on this list for a few months, and have not
heard anyone actually mention it as a loss- the fact that there
are no 'active' women on the list.
I don't know what you were expecting to see, but the subject does
At 2005-08-19 14:00:56 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the prevailing atmosphere is likely to discourage women [...]
And which prevailing atmosphere is this?
There's only one of 'em.
But it's really difficult to express in words just why I think it's
likely to discourage women (and, to be
Hi
Just to bring in another perspective. I work for an NGO -that works with
rural communities and natural resource governance. One our main concerns
and areas of work are to involve women in the various aspects of life
that have normally been male bastions. Governance mechanims, involvement
Greetings,
ams said -
Appropriate behaviour is not learned in a vacuum:
it's learned through
repeated interaction and observation. Very few
people actually *want*
to make women uncomfortable, but if they don't get
any feedback about
what they're doing wrong, they won't know what to
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ams Hi. At 2005-08-19 16:08:43 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ams wrote:
But yes, I have been on this list for a few months, and have
not heard anyone actually mention it as a loss- the
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