Seems everyone is raving about those two who will guaranree is the world
cups 2018/2022, Barkley and Townsend. Where have I heard their names
before? Their performances would have been remembered had they ever turned
up at Elland Road for sure.
Must say, forget becchio, I'm impressed with
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From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 10 June 2011 21:01
To: Mark Humphries
Cc: markbu...@aol.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson, Kilkenny and the market rate
As has been demonstrated, 7k a week is less than we can afford, according to
our published accounts. So
What were Kilkenny's wage (and other contractual) demands?
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Sent: 11 June 2011 01:13
To: Simon Hart
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Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson, Kilkenny and the market rate
On 10/06/2011 19:58, Simon Austin wrote:
Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or more,
accuracy-wise Kilkenny was 7th and Johnson 9th out of 9. In Norwich's
team, Johnson would have come 8th out of 8.
- SI
Who were the top 3?
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To: Mark Humphries
Cc: markbu...@aol.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson, Kilkenny and the market rate
As has been demonstrated, 7k a week is less than we can afford, according to
our published accounts. So we have created an artificial ceiling
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On 10 Jun 2011, at 20:31, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
wrote:
I can understand BJ holding out, if he is off to Norwich he will be getting
more.. but Kilkenny? How much more is he going to get at another
championship club?
A large signing on fee in
Hope for Ritch's sake it wasn't Becchio.
My money pn Somma.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:51, Sean Emmott s...@canofworms.me.uk wrote:
On 10/06/2011 19:58, Simon Austin wrote:
Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or
Doesn't that work with Smith ?
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:31, Andy Clayton andyclayto...@gmail.com wrote:
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On 10 Jun 2011, at 20:31, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
wrote:
I can understand
Scum boy is not a free agent.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 10:38, Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com wrote:
Doesn't that work with Smith ?
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:31, Andy Clayton andyclayto...@gmail.com
Maybe because a lot of fans like Killkenny, so he is making the right noises
about keeping him so he doesn't get any stick, then offering less than the
going rate knowing it won't be accepted.
You have to wonder if Grayson rates Killkenny after the way he has treated
him over the last couple of
Who is Scum Boy?
Alan Smith?
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:49, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
Scum boy is not a free agent.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 10:38, Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com
Like Alan Smith.
( Just to wind up Ian Murray. :-))
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 13:50, Simon Hart simon.h...@york.ac.uk wrote:
Maybe because a lot of fans like Killkenny, so he is making the right noises
about keeping him so he doesn't
On 11/06/2011 09:51, Sean Emmott wrote:
On 10/06/2011 19:58, Simon Austin wrote:
Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or more,
accuracy-wise Kilkenny was 7th and Johnson 9th out of 9. In Norwich's
team, Johnson would have come 8th out of 8.
- SI
Who were the top 3?
1
You know the answer Mikey.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:37, Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com wrote:
Who is Scum Boy?
Alan Smith?
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Community Psychiatry
On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:49, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
Becchio only had 59 shots all season?!
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:53, Simon Austin simon...@auzsoft.net wrote:
On 11/06/2011 09:51, Sean Emmott wrote:
On 10/06/2011 19:58, Simon Austin wrote:
Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or more,
accuracy-wise
No I'm not, you said paying all the first team squad 11k a week equated
to 7 mill a year or 25% of turnover. I was saying we could pay that over
the full squad. Like I say, deloitte say that 60% ratio is sustainable in
football. It gives us a lot of wriggle room to invest in the squad
When did I say pay the entire first team squad 11k a week?? I didn't. All I AM
saying is there is room for investing more in the squad. We are underinvesting
relative to turnover - hence we are consistently losing good players.
If the club (Bates) has nothing to hide financially, why the
In our case anyway (and frankly I couldn't give a fck about Coventry)
Bates is more interested in investing our cash in White elephant loss making
sidelines than the football side of the business. I fundamentally disagree
with this approach.
Why do you assume adding more corporate
A startling stat.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 14:21, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
Becchio only had 59 shots all season?!
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 12:53, Simon Austin simon...@auzsoft.net wrote:
On 11/06/2011 09:51, Sean Emmott wrote:
On
Although not unexpected.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 18:39, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
A startling stat.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 14:21, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
Becchio only had 59 shots all season?!
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The man has awoken from his slumber.
Good to see your still on form
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 20:39, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
A startling stat.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 14:21, Ian Murray
Ian M wrote:
I mean we can properly afford more, which is why we are losing players. We
are underinvesting in the team.
My problem with this is, what do you think we can afford?
How much would you have paid BJ and do you know how much he wanted?
What if a player like BJ has an overinflated
I'm not going through it all again Paul. Read what Mark said about what we
currently spend on wages and the ratio of that to our current turnover. Look at
what deloitte say is sustainable in football, and what the regulations are
going to be. The answer is 'lots more than we are currently
I'm not going through it all again Paul. Read what Mark said about what we
currently spend on wages and the ratio of that to our current turnover. Look
at what deloitte say is sustainable in football, and what the regulations
are going to be. The answer is 'lots more than we are currently
I'm enjoying reading the Smith debate. Totally agree with Ian. You can argue
all day about the history of players that have moved between the clubs etc etc
but it astounds me that some people can't understand hatred between teams and
fans and think that it's acceptable for a Leeds lad to claim
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 20:02, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote:
I'm not going through it all again Paul. Read what Mark said about what we
currently spend on wages and the ratio of that to our current turnover. Look
at what deloitte say is sustainable in football, and
Rich
I understand and, to some extent, agree BUT do you mean that everyone who
ever played for ManU is scum?
You see I hate the club, its fans, its manager and its current players but
ex-players, I hate some and not others.
Is Casper's dad still scum?
Is Alex's dad still scum?
Is Phil Neville
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 20:46, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote:
Rich
I understand and, to some extent, agree BUT do you mean that everyone who
ever played for ManU is scum?
You see I hate the club, its fans, its manager and its current players but
ex-players, I hate
I can't get my head round these stats.Snoddy had only 4 fewer shots than
Becchio and had a larger percentage on target ,which brings them almost level
for shots on target and yet Becchio got 19 goals compared to Snoddys 6Does this
mean that Snoddys shots were mainly saved (shooting from too
I think that's right Dave. What struck me is Mad bloody Max. Does this show;
(a) he's our best player
(b) he's our greediest player
(c) both (a) and (b).
It's C, isn't it?
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 20:59, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:
I can't get my head
1. How much was BJ worth in your opinion?
I have no idea
You have no opinion? But you have an opinion on everything Ian. :-)
We clearly can't compete with Norwich, so that's a dead and pointless
argument.
You've been arguing we can for the last 3 days!
I am saying that we should
I'm just talking about Alan Smith, our hero, our lad. I was atAnfield when he
scored his first goal. DOL came onto the Anfield pitch on his knees in his suit
and we we mental in the stands-a real proud moment. He was one of us, talked
about our rivals in a derisory way which we loved -he fitted
Don't usually agree with you Rich, but on this (including the beers wine) I
do. Ferdinand (a better player) going to scum not as bad as Smith going. I
think Ferguson gets it a lot better than a lot of fans, and enjoys the rivalry
as much as we do.
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 21:10, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote:
1. How much was BJ worth in your opinion?
I have no idea
You have no opinion? But you have an opinion on everything Ian. :-)
Is that a bad thing Paul?
We clearly can't compete with Norwich, so
Finally we have sense in this. You do realise this makes you a knuckledragger
Sean? It's folk like you who give true Leeds fans like P a bad name! :-)
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On 11 Jun 2011, at 22:02, Sean Emmott s...@canofworms.me.uk wrote:
Don't usually agree with you Rich, but on this
the Alan smith that cried when we dropped own one league? so those were fake
tears?!
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On 11/06/2011, at 21:42, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I'm just talking about Alan Smith, our hero, our lad. I was atAnfield when he
I'm not bloody surprised he cried - he was probably the only one in the
squad who had a wage cut clause in the event of relegation...
Damian ;)
PS I personally would welcome him back as I would most old/ ex Leeds
players. Most but not all: Joe Jordan for example but not Gordon McQueen
(what
1. How much was BJ worth in your opinion?
I have no idea
You have no opinion? But you have an opinion on everything Ian. :-)
Is that a bad thing Paul?
No Ian, having an opinion is a good thing but if you have an opinion on
everything why can you not grace us with your valued opinion
Pretty much. 2/3 of Snoddy's shots were from outside the box. Half of
those were on target. 3 went in. Becchio only tried 9 times from
outside, and missed all but one. Johnson had 32 shots from outside the
box, of which a quarter were on target. Meanwhile, Mad Max tried 45
times and got 1/2 on
success rate
though, fees involved or free transfers...
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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
On Behalf Of markbu...@aol.com
Sent: jueves, 09 de junio de 2011 20:51
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson, Kilkenny
Noone said anything about 'caving in' to anyone's demands. Say the agent was at
11k, and we're at 4k. If you can negotiate there is a deal to be done between
5-8k. Simply saying take our starting offer or fck off is a ridiculous state of
affairs. As for journeymen - both players have been with
I dont know what the current going rate is in the Championship, but I would
have thought that for a top Championship club (which we are aspiring to be
next season) £8-10k a week isn't over the odds is it?
Im not saying I agree with it, 8000 a week is an obscene sum of money, but
it doesn't sound
Exactly. It's a shite state of affairs that footballers command such cash but
that's the law of the market. If ken doesn't like it, he should go back to
running a fcking concrete business so he can pay his staff minimum wage and
expect them to be grateful.
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On 10 Jun 2011,
agree with this:
Say the agent was at 11k, and we're at 4k. If you can negotiate there is a
deal to be done between 5-8k. Simply saying take our starting offer or fck
off is a ridiculous state of affairs
In business you never tell anyone to Fxxx off. The agent was probably just
positioning
That's the club's official policy on negotiating contracts Eric. Seriously.
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On 10 Jun 2011, at 14:39, Eric B barl...@gmail.com wrote:
agree with this:
Say the agent was at 11k, and we're at 4k. If you can negotiate there is a
deal to be done between 5-8k. Simply
well its not professional. I think we can agree on that?
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.comwrote:
That's the club's official policy on negotiating contracts Eric. Seriously.
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On 10 Jun 2011, at 14:39, Eric B barl...@gmail.com wrote:
Just for the record, whichever player it was was on £4000, the club offered
£7000 which is almost double the current salary and only when the agent
asked for £11000, almost treble, was he told to get stuffed.
Is anybody on the list going to double their salary this year, let alone
treble it?
I've had 60% before (60% of fck all). How many folk on the list are
professional footballers? Terry, no doubt what you and I earn is a fortune to
someone in Burkino Faso or wherever. It's all relative. If he couldn't get such
a big rise elsewhere, he wouldn't ask for it.
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Geez, neither Kilkenny or Johnson were able to help guide us to the promised
land so I don't understand why some people are acting like we're losing Messi
because we don't want to pay the wages or fees.
I expect their replacements to be an improvement and come December or so we can
all assess
Hope you're right mate but fear you're not. You only have to read what the
chairman is saying about transfers!!
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On 10 Jun 2011, at 16:15, Mark Tuffey wiscole...@hotmail.com wrote:
Geez, neither Kilkenny or Johnson were able to help guide us to the promised
land so I
Noone said anything about 'caving in' to anyone's demands. Say the agent
was at 11k, and we're at 4k. If you can negotiate there is a deal to be
done between 5-8k. Simply saying take our starting offer or fck off is a
ridiculous state of affairs.
The player was on £4k. We offered £7k.
Apropos of nothing, of all our players who had 20 shots or more,
accuracy-wise Kilkenny was 7th and Johnson 9th out of 9. In Norwich's
team, Johnson would have come 8th out of 8.
- SI
On 10/06/2011 16:15, Mark Tuffey wrote:
Geez, neither Kilkenny or Johnson were able to help guide us to the
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On 10 Jun 2011, at 17:19, markbu...@aol.com wrote:
Noone said anything about 'caving in' to anyone's demands. Say the agent
was at 11k, and we're at 4k. If you can negotiate there is a deal to be
done between 5-8k. Simply saying take our starting offer or fck off
...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Ian Murray
Sent: 10 June 2011 20:15
To: markbu...@aol.com
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson, Kilkenny and the market rate
No - it would be negotiating. Making an initial offer of a new contract,
rejecting a counter offer
what you all seem to forget is that johnson and kilkenny will very likely
get a fat signing on fee from the clubs that sign them, something that leeds
were (quire rightly) unlikely to offer them and that means the cnuts will be
laffing all the way to the bank, although give Johnsons inability to
20:31
To: 'Ian Murray'; markbu...@aol.com
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson, Kilkenny and the market rate
Of course it is negotiating.
First of all, anyone with any negotiating credentials will tell you that you
always have a walk away figure... an absolute level beyond which you
.
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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Humphries
Sent: 10 June 2011 20:31
To: 'Ian Murray'; markbu...@aol.com
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson, Kilkenny and the market rate
Of course it is negotiating
I received today, courtesy of our beloved leaders largesse, my
complimentary copy of the official matchday magazine for June. In it Sir Ken
talks about players and agents and wages etc. He says that in January they
offered a player who was on £4000 per week £7000 for his new contract. His
agent
Problem: we make a lot more than just gate receipts. Tv money, licensing,
sponsorship. All that stuff. Where's all that money Terry? We are going to
replace decent young players who formed the core of the team SG is trying to
build and who have improved consistently as a group over the last few
Problem: we make a lot more than just gate receipts. Tv money,
licensing, sponsorship. All that stuff. Where's all that money Terry?
TV money is nothing compared to prem TV money. Gate receipts are still the
biggest income outside the PL.
We are going to replace decent young players
Looks like he's off to Norwich.
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MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
I watched a Premiership team tonight and they were bloody useless - couldn't
even get the ball!!!
Oh how I laughed
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Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson leaving
To: 'leedslist@gn.apc.org
to a bigger club.
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From: Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com
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Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 12:12:35
To: leedslistleedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Johnson leaving
Stems it's
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Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 09:39:41 +
From: m...@leeds-united.net
Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson leaving
Good luck to him. He won't go to a bigger club.
Says on the official site that Johnson's agent has told Leeds that he's had
offers, two of which are from Premier League clubs
Stoke are rumoured to be interested apparently. They'll have lots of spare cash
after their good cup run, so Uncle Ken's probably rubbing his hands together at
the prospect!
Good luck to him. He won't go to a bigger club.
Says on the official site that Johnson's agent has told Leeds
He is out of contract so we will get nothing?
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Sent: 26 May 2011 11:25
To: d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson leaving
Stoke are rumoured
...@leeds.ac.uk; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Johnson leaving
Stoke are rumoured to be interested apparently. They'll have lots of spare
cash after their good cup run, so Uncle Ken's probably rubbing his hands
together at the prospect!
Good luck to him. He won't go to a bigger club.
Says
Have they definitely gone? Must have missed that.
MOT,
Mark
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Behalf Of Dr. Michael Benjamin.
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 3:07 AM
To: Ian Murray
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU]
I see in the YEP that Johnson will be staying till the end of the season. As
I watched the replay on the telly this week I wondered if there would be
some magic face-saving formula found to allow resurrection of his dead
contract talks. I know that Johnson arguably bore a part of the
[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Damian Walsh
Sent: 21 January 2011 14:14
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Johnson
I see in the YEP that Johnson will be staying till the end of the season. As
I watched the replay on the telly this week I wondered if there would be
some magic face-saving
;) Well given a hundred matches for Villa he's bound to play well in one of
them. A bit like his shooting really
Good luck and bon vent to Andy Hughes
Damian
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.netwrote:
Just seen on some random site that Villa are in
Apparently Notlob want him in January.
Swap him for O'Brien and the jobs a good 'un!
Andy C
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