> [1] ?
Ooops, I know there was something I'd missed off the bottom of the
message. That'll teach me to watch TV, eat, use irc, and post at the same
time
[1] Unless I've missed it due to the large amount of mail, or someone has
replied off off list.
> I have replied to this, off list, because
On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 11:58:14AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 11:32:58AM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
> > There was a moral in this story but I forgot it in the process of
> > rambling on. Probably something about munging Reply-To, or putting
> > all middle management u
At 23:11 26/01/01, you wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> > How do people feel about going back to State51? Does someone want to
> > contact the ICA?
>
>Hmm. No one seems to have replied to this[1].
[1] ?
I have replied to this, off list, because the preferences I expressed were
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 12:08:04PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
>
> Good point. Sometimes it's hard to remember that there is life outside
> the M25. Errm ... if you *really* want to have it in the UK, consider
> manchester and birmingham. Both have international airports, large hotels
> and c
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 02:33:54PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> Under FreeBSD, you've got sendmail-wrapper instead, which you can
> configure to point to any installed file.
Debian has generalised this in /etc/alternatives,
$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/ | head -6
total 1
-rw-r--r--1 root
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:07:02AM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
> [1] OS changed on the grounds I feel that Redhat ships something more
> optimised towards desktop use, whereas I feel Debian and Solaris are both
> more suited for servers.
I was schmoozing with the CTO/chairman of Penguin Computi
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:42:16AM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> Multi processor Solaris runs rings around any of the free Unixes.
> They've had kernel threads for nearly 10 years, and it's very optimized.
Hmm, last time I checked Solaris threads were a nightmare...
> I suspect that SGIs IRIX
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> How do people feel about going back to State51? Does someone want to
> contact the ICA?
Hmm. No one seems to have replied to this[1]. I think the lack of
response seems to indicate that no-one has any objections to either
venue. I personally thought S
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
>
> I have a farm of suns, if you want to make a benchmark, I'll be very
> interested to run and compare the results.
>
I have three E250s running Informix in my hareem, the only time those
suckers have broken is when someone broke the database ser
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > I sez:
> > >
> > > Is this a collective attempt to crash mail archiving bots by posting so
> > > much that they get overloaded and fall over? ;-)
> > >
> >
> > Then grep sez:
> >
> > they wouldn't fall over if ..
> >
> > they were writt
> > I sez:
> >
> > Is this a collective attempt to crash mail archiving bots by posting so
> > much that they get overloaded and fall over? ;-)
> >
>
> Then grep sez:
>
> they wouldn't fall over if ..
>
> they were written using java on a windows platform and using
> DB2 as
David Cantrell [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>And yet this is not Linux's fault. It is the fault of:
*> the person who set it up wrongly in the first place
*> the network people for making their network so vulnerable to this
*>sort of predictable stupidity
OpenBSD hasn't had a exploitable
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> I would have more faith in Solaris. On an acadmeic network, no firewalls,
> we had user workstations that pretty much lived on their own and at the
> mercy of their users. One day, one of the AI profs installed RedHat after
>
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:04:07PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> > Michael Stevens [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
I take that post back. I don't think it would be productive to
continue the discussion.
Michael
Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yes, don't forget that symbolic links originated in BSD, thank you. :-)
Don't forget that pretty much everything of any use in Unix came out
of Berkely! I spit on your system V IPC, I want my select()...
--
Dave Hodgkinson,
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:59:08AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> Michael Stevens [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
> *>Isn't kickstart a solaris thing, or have redhat developed new stuff
> *>I didn't know about?
> Jumpstart.
yes, I found that out, my memory sucks.
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:00AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> Michael Stevens [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
> *>I personally would have just as little faith in Solaris run by someone
> *>who didn't know what they were doing as I would in Redhat run by
> *>someone who didn't know what they we
Redvers Davies wrote:
>
> > Stop IT ... I am not using slackware !
>
> Ans why not?? For a server it is perfect. Very small, very compact.
> Perfect for a secure environment.
Only joking - I'm used to redhat - I might move to Debian who knows
?
I am quite happy with redhat / debian as I
Michael Stevens [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Isn't kickstart a solaris thing, or have redhat developed new stuff
*>I didn't know about?
Jumpstart.
e.
Michael Stevens [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Can anyone point to actual studies of the "we took some end users, and
*>found they wanted FOO amounts of documentation". And, for completeness,
*>"we took some end users, looked at what they were actually using, and
*>then looked at how much documen
Michael Stevens [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>I personally would have just as little faith in Solaris run by someone
*>who didn't know what they were doing as I would in Redhat run by
*>someone who didn't know what they were doing.
I would have more faith in Solaris. On an acadmeic network, no
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:40:13AM -0600, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> *>Oh, agreed entirely. The key thing is that nobody _expects_ a professional
> *>support service, so they're less disappointed when it doesn't happen.
> I don't think this is true for the great majority of software end-users
>
Roger Burton West [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>On or about Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:08:22PM -, Jonathan Peterson typed:
*>
*>>> And then people wonder why I like open source...
*>>Even within OS software there's good support and bad support. There's plenty
*>>of OS software that _doesn't_ have
> Is that why slackware.com got broken into a few weeks ago then? :-)
I'm not going to rise to that at all as you know full well that the
security of a product has more to do with its installation, configuration
and maintainence than the code. Regardless of supplier, if the admin does
not lock
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 05:19:08PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
> > Stop IT ... I am not using slackware !
>
> Ans why not?? For a server it is perfect. Very small, very compact.
> Perfect for a secure environment.
Is that why slackware.com got broken into a few weeks ago then? :-)
-Dom
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 05:17:08PM +, Redvers Davies wrote:
> > Under FreeBSD, you've got sendmail-wrapper instead, which you can
> > configure to point to any installed file.
>
> Linux has that too - its called a symbolic link:
>
> tonkatsu:~# ls -al /usr/lib/sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail
> l
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Matthews Simon wrote:
> >
> > Don't listen to this man. His job title may include the
> > word "manager"
> > but he never has or never will be a "manager" in this context. He's
> > far too intelligent for a start :-)=
>
> Too kind. I usually have to blow my own
> Stop IT ... I am not using slackware !
Ans why not?? For a server it is perfect. Very small, very compact.
Perfect for a secure environment.
> Under FreeBSD, you've got sendmail-wrapper instead, which you can
> configure to point to any installed file.
Linux has that too - its called a symbolic link:
tonkatsu:~# ls -al /usr/lib/sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Dec 9 1998 /usr/lib/sendmail ->
/u
>
> Don't listen to this man. His job title may include the
> word "manager"
> but he never has or never will be a "manager" in this context. He's
> far too intelligent for a start :-)=
Too kind. I usually have to blow my own trumpet. It's always nice to have
someone else blow it fo
Redvers Davies wrote:
>
> > Would this still hold for a RedDrat system with all the X stuff and
> > other unncessary stuff removed ?
>
> Nah, ou want slackware A, N and D... No more. 10 meg for your base
> OS, compile what you need.
Stop IT ... I am not using slackware !
Greg
> Would this still hold for a RedDrat system with all the X stuff and
> other unncessary stuff removed ?
Nah, ou want slackware A, N and D... No more. 10 meg for your base
OS, compile what you need.
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Dave Cross wibbled:
>
> > The other week I dug out the original comp.lang.perl.misc post.
>
> I think I have a recording of someone bashing a stick near a big black
> rectangle somewhere too...
>
> Is this a collective attempt to crash mail archiving b
Dave Cross wibbled:
> The other week I dug out the original comp.lang.perl.misc post.
I think I have a recording of someone bashing a stick near a big black
rectangle somewhere too...
Is this a collective attempt to crash mail archiving bots by posting so
much that they get overloaded and fall
At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:37:38 + (GMT), Jonathan Stowe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
> >
> > I've had a couple of mail disasters which have meant me losing the
> > odd days-worth here or there, but I'm pretty sure I've got all of
> > the re
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 03:37:38PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> I still have the original mail that Dave sent out somewhere ...
Show off!
--
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> I've had a couple of mail disasters which have meant me losing the
> odd days-worth here or there, but I'm pretty sure I've got all of the
> really early ones. I've even got the ones where it was just me CCing
> a bunch of people.
>
I still have the o
At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:58:28 +, David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've had a couple of mail disasters which have meant me losing the
> > odd days-worth here or there, but I'm pretty sure I've got all of
> > the really early ones. I've even got the ones where it was just me
> >
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 09:52:45AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:44:31 +, Richard Clamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > From: "Cross, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "'London.pm List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 10:14:38 +0100
> > Subject: [lond
On Jan 24, 3:18pm, Matthews Simon wrote:
> Not all of them some of us survived and indeed went on to understand the
> error of our ways and start using perl :-)
Don't listen to this man. His job title may include the word "manager"
but he never has or never will be a "manager" in this context.
At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:44:31 +, Richard Clamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Got a complete archive of this list? I don't but would like.
>
> Not complete, but I think I subscribed pretty early. The earliest
> post I have is:
>
> From: "Cross, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Londo
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:08:22PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> I've encountered good support for Veritas' Netbackup package, but again we
> were paying about 6k / annum for the support contract.
Lucky you! I spit on the earth that NetBackup walks on! It's one of
the worst packages I've ev
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 01:59:09PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> Rob Partington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > On RedHat I can do something like 'rpm -e sendmail' to clean up before
> > > installing qmail and, alas,
Rob Partington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On RedHat I can do something like 'rpm -e sendmail' to clean up before
> > installing qmail and, alas, I can't do this on OpenBSD (although there
> > has been talk of extend
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On RedHat I can do something like 'rpm -e sendmail' to clean up before
> installing qmail and, alas, I can't do this on OpenBSD (although there
> has been talk of extending the binary packages to include the base
> OS).
If
Rob Partington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> That installed a precompiled binary of dia for me. Or do you mean that,
> say, pkg_* don't have the same functionality as RPM?
It has the same (or similar functionality) but its database isn't
complete because it doesn't include _every_ system file.
Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> My only install of solaris has been on a 486, but IIRC you get a decent
> amount of flexibility over what does, and does not, go in.
As you do on most modern UNIX-like systems RedHat included..
> It's been a while since I BSD'd much, but I definate
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:27:02PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:00:24PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
>
> > Personally I like to be able to get mbox archives in preference to web
> > archives, but then I like my mail client much more than my web broswer.
>
> Same here.
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:00:24PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
>
> > Richard - hoarder, with no use of a web archive anyhow :)
>
> Got a complete archive of this list? I don't but would like.
>
On this machine I have every message for a year on ev
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:16:46PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
>
> > how about if we notified the list everytime someone subscribed or
> > unsubscribed
>
> This can be done ver', ver' easily - It would also have the positive
> benefit of breaking t
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:00:24PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
> Personally I like to be able to get mbox archives in preference to web
> archives, but then I like my mail client much more than my web broswer.
Same here. I'm starting to archive all the lists I serve. With archives
on webpages,
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Philip Newton wrote:
> Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> > I must admit that I could have spotted this if I had known what I was
> > looking for - I dont tend to pay much attention to the
> > subscribe messages.
>
> You did spot it. I remember you mailed me about it saying you weren'
James Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Phew, just missed my 29th Sept post where I detailed my plans for
> a perl script to overthrow the government.
I actually think this would be possible if you ported either
http://anoncvs.aldigital.co.uk/lucre/
or
http://www.unicorn.com/pgp/mm-readme
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [1] My main gripe with *BSD is lack of binary package management
Um, then what's this?
pkg_add ftp://ftp.plig.org/pub/OpenBSD/2.8/packages/i386/dia-0.86p1.tgz
That installed a precompiled binary of dia for me. Or do yo
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Philip Newton wrote:
> I suppose at this point I should point out that it was I that subscribed
> mail-archive.com's bot to the list. Not sure when, but looking at the
> archive, it seems to be roughly end of September 2000. (See
> http://www.mail-archive.com/london-list%40ha
Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> I must admit that I could have spotted this if I had known what I was
> looking for - I dont tend to pay much attention to the
> subscribe messages.
You did spot it. I remember you mailed me about it saying you weren't too
keen on the idea but approved the subscription an
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> If no-one objects I will put this in place this weekend. I guess it will
> result in ~ 10 excess messages a week.
>
with current volumen, this is a drop in the pond
--
Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:16:52PM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
There's very little off-topic on this list :)
> Kickstart is RedHat
>
> http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/KickStart-HOWTO.html
>
> Jumpstart is Solaris
>
> Both are automated install procedures.
Yes. I have learnt.
> > If it
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Robin Houston wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:50:59AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> >
> > This is all a fine plan, but it doesn't prevent external people from
> > achiving us in the same way that mail-archive do. I really don't think
> > there's a foolproof way to prevent i
Philip Newton wrote:
> AFAIK they just take incoming posts and if they look like
> they come from a list, they're stuff in that list's archive
> (which is created if necessary).
And you can even create your own archive, as long as mail sent to it looks
sort of like list mail. See
http://www.mail
This is really sysadminy stuff and probably off topic but here I go:-
Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Isn't kickstart a solaris thing, or have redhat developed new stuff
> I didn't know about?
Kickstart is RedHat
http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/KickStart-HOWTO.html
Jumpsta
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Richard Clamp wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:35AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> > * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > That said I would have liked to have been informed of it when subscribing to
> > > the list (or for those of us that have been here for
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 07:02:48AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
> I wonder what mail-archive would do if we just unsubbed their bot?
Nothing, presumably.
I don't think that mail-archive subbed their bot to the list -
I think someone from here must have done it. They seem like a
decent bunch, and don
Dave Cross wrote:
> I wonder what mail-archive would do if we just unsubbed their bot?
Presumably, keep the archives around but not archive anything new.
I don't think their archive system knows what they are subscribed to --
AFAIK they just take incoming posts and if they look like they come fr
On or about Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:08:22PM -, Jonathan Peterson typed:
>> And then people wonder why I like open source...
>Even within OS software there's good support and bad support. There's plenty
>of OS software that _doesn't_ have helpful user groups, and has very poor
>documentation a
Robin Houston wrote:
> I assume that someone deliberately added mail-archive's bot to the
> list, because mail-archive certainly don't hunt down lists themselves.
Yes. See my other post.
> If we have an explicit "no public archives" policy then presumably
> people will have the decency to honour
I suppose at this point I should point out that it was I that subscribed
mail-archive.com's bot to the list. Not sure when, but looking at the
archive, it seems to be roughly end of September 2000. (See
http://www.mail-archive.com/london-list%40happyfunball.pm.org/mail5.html .)
Since I confirmed
> Agreed entirely. I was thinking purely of hardware support; software
> support IME is always and everywhere a complete waste of time
> and money.
I have encountered good software support with applications that:
a) Cost over 20 grand
and/or
b) Are not widely used
I think there are lots of comp
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:20:28PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> > > It seems that mail-archive.com have been archiving our list for some
> > > time and anyone who knows about mail-archive can find anything p
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:50:59AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote:
>
> This is all a fine plan, but it doesn't prevent external people from
> achiving us in the same way that mail-archive do. I really don't think
> there's a foolproof way to prevent it.
I doubt that's a serious problem.
I assume that
Dave Cross wrote:
> At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:23:17 -, Mike Davis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Why don't we make our own archive and ask mail-archive.com to stop
> > doing their thing? Then we have control of what is published and
> > everyone's happy...
>
> I don't think that mail-arc
At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:01:21 + (GMT), Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For those that might be interested this was when mail-archive started
> archiving london-list.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 07:11:22 -0400 (EDT)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dave Cross wrote:
> If the majority are against it then I'll do what I can to
> prevent it.
The obvious thing would be to arrange for archive@jab.org (or whatever it
is) to unsubscribe from the list. I believe they don't delete archived
articles, but if they aren't subscribed to the list any more
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > this is forwarded from manning and they are offering each pm group a
> > free copy of data munging with perl by dave cross.
>
> Hey! Now Dave can have his very own free copy of DMWP!
>
and we can all sign it!
--
Greg McCarroll
Phew, just missed my 29th Sept post where I detailed my plans for
a perl script to overthrow the government.
jp
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:01:21PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
> For those that might be interested this was when mail-archive started
> archiving london-list.
>
> /J\
> --
> Jonath
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:35AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
> * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > That said I would have liked to have been informed of it when subscribing to
> > the list (or for those of us that have been here for donkeys, when it
> > started getting archived,) jus
For those that might be interested this was when mail-archive started
archiving london-list.
/J\
--
Jonathan Stowe |
http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one
http://www.tackleway.co.uk |
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Sat, 30
At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:59:34 -, "Robert Shiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I never say anything I wouldn't stand by on any list, but as the
> search engines get better, more people than I'd like will have access
> to what I say. How many of you who have discussed drug use would like
> th
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> Cumberland Hotel (overlooks Hyde Park), October 16-19 (Tue-Fri).
>
> Anyone see problems (clashes with other conferences, plans for riots
> that week, the Cumberland is famous for its urine cocktails, etc)?
>
Sounds fine to me.
/J\
--
Jonathan
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:39:17AM +, Struan Donald wrote:
> > One of these days I must play with the FAI (fully automatic installation)
> > stuff for debian.
> kickstart is (i assume) teh redhat equiv of FAI. or at least it is if
> FAI is stick floppy in system, create symlink in some magic f
* at 26/01 11:33 + Michael Stevens said:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:30:28AM +, Struan Donald wrote:
> > on the other hand kickstart files aren't that tricky to write and you
> > can then set up the box in a sensible way (or something approaching
> > that) and it's very easy to set up a c
Dave Cross wrote:
> I'd be failing in my duty as group leader if I didn't pass on this
> announcement from the Perl Mongers Group Leaders mailing list :)
>
> Dave...
>
> - Forwarded message from Uri Guttman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
>
> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:25:55 -0500
> From: Uri Gutt
I sugest that we give it to Dave Cross
Richard
-Original Message-
From: Dave Cross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 26 January 2001 07:33
To: london.pm
Subject: Fwd: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: free copy of data munging with perl]
I'd be failing in my duty as group leader if I didn't pass on th
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:30:28AM +, Struan Donald wrote:
> on the other hand kickstart files aren't that tricky to write and you
> can then set up the box in a sensible way (or something approaching
> that) and it's very easy to set up a chunk of boxes the same.
>
> of course you a box to
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:30:03AM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
> On or about Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:23:26AM +, Michael Stevens typed:
> >On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:19:02AM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
> >> Dell offer this on some of their servers. IMHO this is always a waste of
> >> mo
* at 26/01 11:21 + Michael Stevens said:
>
> IMHO the main significance here is in the default install. You can
> fiddle around with anything if you want and make it vaguely sensible as a
> server.
>
> Redhat as default is not very well setup to use as a server on the internet
> (I feel). De
On or about Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:23:26AM +, Michael Stevens typed:
>On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:19:02AM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
>> Dell offer this on some of their servers. IMHO this is always a waste of
>> money - they don't provide anything that you couldn't do yourself by
>> havi
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
> Can't we compare something vaguely equivalent here instead?
>
> I personally would have just as little faith in Solaris run by someone
> who didn't know what they were doing as I would in Redhat run by
> someone who didn't know what they were doing.
>
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:19:02AM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
> On or about Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:07:02AM +, Michael Stevens typed:
> >I imagine you could get a pc service contract on the same level as
> >Sun do, but I have no experience in the area. Has anyone got any experience
> >pay
>
> s /some dodgy PC desktop with Redhat stuck on it by a hobbyist who has
> never used another UNIX/inexperienced/;
>
> Lets not compare inexperience with anyparticular flavour of *nix.
>
> Greg
>
> Who started on Redhat along time ago, and has since used and initially
> disliked Solaris/Sun OS,
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:18:06AM +, Greg Cope wrote:
> > How about a decently built rack mount PC running Debian[1], by
> > someone who actually knows how to setup that particular OS decently,
> > as compared with a Sun box running Solaris setup by someone good
> > with solaris?
> >
> > (An
On or about Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:07:02AM +, Michael Stevens typed:
>I imagine you could get a pc service contract on the same level as
>Sun do, but I have no experience in the area. Has anyone got any experience
>paying vast amounts of money for PC support? did you get much for your
>money
Michael Stevens wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:35:45AM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> > I suspect things like SMP probably still work better. And if I were
> > on call supporting a server I would probably still trust a Sparc
> > running Solaris over some dodgy PC desktop with Redhat stuck o
>
> Leon brought up the matter of conversations in pubs. There's no reason why
> someone coulnd't hire a sleuth to turn up to the london.pm meeting posing
as
> a new member and get them to find out who's saying what. But that's a big
> leap to take, and not an argument for saying that all conversa
You're right I think it probably would make a good topic to TPC5. Just need
the time to write it. The patch has not yet made it into the main wvWare
distribution although some of mine have. wvWare itself is extremely stable
and I have not found any problems with wvWare. I am currently looking
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:35:45AM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> I suspect things like SMP probably still work better. And if I were
> on call supporting a server I would probably still trust a Sparc
> running Solaris over some dodgy PC desktop with Redhat stuck on it by
> a hobbyist who has never
Steve Mynott wrote:
>
> Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [..]
>
> > How in gods name do Sun get away with charging so much for stuff?
>
> Because they can and they have a brand people trust like IBM or
> Microsoft. In fact you can buy far cheaper Sun clones from companies
> lik
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:35:45AM +, Steve Mynott wrote:
> > I suspect things like SMP probably still work better. And if I were
> > on call supporting a server I would probably still trust a Sparc
> > running Solaris over some dodgy PC desktop
* Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:20:28PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
> > It seems that mail-archive.com have been archiving our list for some
> > time and anyone who knows about mail-archive can find anything posted
> > to our list.
>
> I've got no real problem
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 10:17:21AM +, Greg Cope wrote:
> Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
>
> > How in gods name do Sun get away with charging so much for stuff?
>
> It is good kit
>
> But it's also a marketing thing I know tow clients whom purchased
> 15k of sun kit each, and in either case a
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