Re: Templating Solutions
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Template Toolkit > HTML::Mason > Text::Template > HTML::Template > HTML::Embperl Also Apache::ASP searching for template on CPAN also gets quite a lot of hits... -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness. -- mark twain
Re: CMS frameworks
Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Any other offers? http://scoop.kuro5hin.org/ -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] bom shankar
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > > > > their Memory Stick is a closed book. > > > > Fine with me. Then maybe we'll get decent short range wireless data > > exchange with good authentication and encryption. > > and the problem with Lucent Orinoco ( + RC128 ) is? its totally insecure "Although most 802.11 equipment is designed to disregard encrypted content for which it does not have the key, we have been able to successfully intercept WEP-encrypted transmissions by changing the configuration of the drivers." <http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/isaac/wep-faq.html> -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you were inclined to lose your mind, you could stay on the internet all day.
Re: Caller ID (was Re: Enough!)
Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 16 May 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:59:07AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > > > I do keep intending to do something cute with my ISDN adapter and log the > > > stuff coming out of the D channel and see whats in there ... but time has > > > prevented it etc. > > I'd be interested to hear how you get on... I was under the impression > > that the D channel was an always on 16k-thing. It'd be interesting to > > see what gets sent down there normally... > > CLI / Destination number that kind of thing. Signalling information > basically. I have heard of people using the D channel signalling to communicate for free. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have. -- harry emerson fosdick
Re: Transtec Sparc Clones
"Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think some of the people who use this list have used Transtec's Sparc > clone machines. My question is: > > 1. Are they any good Yes > 2. Are they _really_ identical to Sparcs at the OS level, or do you need > funky drivers and non-standard BIOS / PROM settings in Solaris to work it? Identical > I just love that 1/3 of Sun's price, but shurely too good to be true> Buy them. We do. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] democracy is also a form of worship. it is the worship of jackals by jackasses. -- h. l. mencken
Re: Caller ID (was Re: Enough!)
"Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that you always send your CID when > > you make a phone call. If you choose to withhold the ID, it still gets > > sent, it just gets sent with a 'do not disclose' flag set, which all (BT > > approved) phones and services (like 1471) must honour. Therefore it should > > be easy for BT themselves to offer something that can bar CID witheld > > calls. BT do offer this service if you are on an AXE10/System X switch <http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/current/docs/Provider/093611.htm> It's called "Anonymous Call Rejection" It's even available on UXD5 which are very old rural exachanges. <http://www.gbnet.net/net/uk-telecom/p3-15.html> -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -- philip k. dick
Re: Caller ID (was Re: Enough!)
"Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that you always send your CID when > you make a phone call. If you choose to withhold the ID, it still gets > sent, it just gets sent with a 'do not disclose' flag set, which all (BT > approved) phones and services (like 1471) must honour. Therefore it should > be easy for BT themselves to offer something that can bar CID witheld > calls. > > But this might be wrong, or might just be how the US system works or > something. This is basically right but some ways of making a call don't send any CLI at all and the US and UK systems are different. The BT specs are online:- <http://www1.btwebworld.com/sinet/227v3p1.pdf> -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] the difference between a moral man and a man of honor is that the latter regrets a discreditable act, even when it has worked and he has not been caught. -- henry l. mencken
Re: Enough!
David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 05:43:52PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > > > > > > > nokia 9210 > > > > > > Which is still, AFAIK, unobtainium. > > > > I know someone who knows someone who has a test model - I'll prod on > > programmability. > > Greg has (had?) one to play with. It is programmable. The organiser bit I am sure is programmable but I was just wondering to what degree the phone part itself is accessible, eg. can you read the sort of phone information visible from the Nokia Net Monitor like the TIMSI etc. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything. -- a. l.
Re: Enough!
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Simon Cozens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > > > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: > > > > Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers. > > > Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. > > > > Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones. > > nokia 9210 But is it actually programmable by the end user? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] /"\ \ / x ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail / \
Re: Enough!
Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> > > No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern.
> > That's what the terse message is for ("reveal yourself, or bugger off").
> > I suppose it could go to answerphone.
>
> Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either.
In theory it should but it depends on the signalling used on the
calls. Many countries should connect via SS7 which should work.
Some probably don't pass the CLI for various technical reasons and
some use earlier signalling systems.
--
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
that's one huge plus about *bsd. it's easy to pronounce
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
Tony Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > With a sponge and a rusty spanner? she said: "Eh, I know you, and you cannot sing." I said: "that's nothing--you should hear me play piano." -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] there are some politicians who, if their constituents were cannibals, would promise them missionaries for dinner. -- h.l. mencken
Re: JAMES DUNCAN
Dominic Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you really work for ebookers.com, why are you sending from a hotmail > address? It doesn't lend credence to your request to have somebody else > unsubscribed from this list. Actually it shows more "clue" than trying to use the average IT supplied Exchange service (which may well be broken). -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] the chief value of money lies in the fact that one lives in a world in which it is overestimated. -- h. l. mencken
Re: Enough!
Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 14 May 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > > > > > Please, would you take the politics elsewhere? Some of us really don't > > give a shit either way. > > > > I did warn them but they appeared to ignore me ... Can't you just kill on "politics" subject? (I will try and use the subject header in my posts anyway so people can) Personally I find discussion of politics more interesting than American TV shows about vampires. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] work like you don't need the money dance like nobody's watching love like you've never been hurt.
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:13PM +0000, Steve Mynott wrote: > > > Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company > > then you can simply choose not to purchase their products. > > So how, pray, do I opt out of the international oil companies' cartel? Private companies often try and fix prices and limit competition but this rarely works since usually one of the cartel members breaks the agreement in order to make more money. Thus OPEC agreements usually break down like they did last month when they produced 700,000 barrels per day more than they had agreed. <http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&dist=mktwmore&guid=%7B13984F78-CFC1-4F9A-A3BC-28A8E2FE2F53%7D> My original point also stands which is there is a basic distinction between a state which forces people to do things like pay tax and a company (no matter how large or "nasty") which can't (even although it still may supply a widely used product). And of course if a company runs or has direct influence on a state and laws are passed to favour it then we aren't talking about the market anymore but state power. It's a basic failing of socialism to believe that what they term "economic power" (selling things) is more of an evil than "political power" (putting people in prison or taking money from them). They naively believe force (jails, guns, theft etc) can be used responsibly to combat people's free choices of buying and selling things, which for some strange reason they think is "wrong". Even if their ends were right their means are based on violence and ultimately self-defeating. "When leading by the way of the Tao, abominate the use of force, for it causes resistance, and loss of strength, showing the Tao has not been followed well. Achieve results but not through violence, for it is against the natural way, and damages both others' and one's own true self." -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] "no man or group of men shall aggress upon the person or property of anyone else." -- murray n. rothbard
Re: Enough!
Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please, would you take the politics elsewhere? Some of us really don't > give a shit either way. Dave (the other one) told us to! -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] a classic is something that everybody wants to have read and nobody wants to read. -- mark twain
Re: UK programmers left-wing? was Re: BOFHs requiring license
Matthew Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > (have you ever > > noticed how left wingers tend to be less tolerant to the fact > > that their views may be wrong than right wing people?) > > Ah, that's because we left-wingers *are* right, and also because secretly, > silently, you right-wingers know it, too. :P It's more likely the "right-wingers" (not that I really like that term) have had phases of being left-wingers in the past and know _all_ about it. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] mary had a little key - she kept it in escrow, and every thing that mary said, the feds were sure to know. -- sam simpson
Re: chocolate was Re: Monitors
Lucy McWilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 14 May 2001, Steve Mynott wrote: > > > I don't like English chocolate which doesn't in fact contain very much > > chocolate at all if you study the percentage cocoa solids. > > Better than American chcolate. I have bought US Hersey (sp?) bars in the UK and thought they were better than the average bar of Cadbury's Dairy Milk. YMMV -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] the question is not if we should be paranoid, the question is if we're paranoid enough
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
Matthew Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > the pump" lobby respond by suggesting that the government > > >drop tax. Why don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell? > > > > You don't elect BP or Shell. > > Well, precisely, they're companies, so you boycott them. Which is what I > thought that dump the pump was originally about; boycotting oil companies in > prrotest at their big markups (apparently). Somewhere along the way it > seemed (to me) to be hijacked by a large chunk of the countryside alliance. Well one advantage of BP or Shell is if you don't like either company then you can simply choose not to purchase their products. Unfortunately you can't "opt out" of a government you don't like in the same way. The American media recognised what happened as a "tax revolt". People aren't stupid they know the high petrol prices are the fault of UK taxation rather than BP or Shell. We have high petrol prices, high alchohol prices and high cigarette prices due to the greed of the current UK government (following in the footsteps of the Tories before). This is not to say BP or Shell don't try and make as money as possible. Sure they do this is how the market works. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] the basic fact about human existence is not that it is a tragedy, but that it is a bore. it is not so much a war as an endless standing in line. -- h. l. mencken
Re: More politics (was Re: BOFHs requiring license)
Matthew Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > medicine and so on. Has anybody worked out how much it would cost to buy the > same services as a private citizen compared to the cost that the state > charges in tax? People have tried to do this and the figures I saw suggest the private sector can supply, on average, any service at half the price of the public. Of course I am sure it isn't difficult to get the figures to say other things as well. > Also, how is a privately-run service more efficient if you have shareholders > creaming money off the top. Enlighten me. Because it's easier to get rid of them and get someone else to supply the service if they are crap. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] abandon the search for truth; settle for a good fantasy.
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
Matthew Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It also irtritates me when the oil companies hike fuel prices and the "dump > the pump" lobby respond by suggesting that the government drop tax. Why > don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell? Because the vast majority of the petrol pump price (something like 70-80%) is tax. UK has the _cheapest_ petrol in Europe before tax and the _most_ expensive afterwards. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -- philip k. dick
chocolate was Re: Monitors
Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Me neither. I came to the startling conclusion about 5 years ago that I > don't really like. I don't hate it, just don't particularly enjoy it > except in odd moods and even then mostly dark chocolate. I don't like English chocolate which doesn't in fact contain very much chocolate at all if you study the percentage cocoa solids. Most English milk chocolate resembles dark wax and tastes like "cooking chocolate", although Galaxy is just about acceptable. Didn't the EU try and prevent English chocolate being called "chocolate"? > I managed to have a day trip to Geneva on Friday and didn't buy any at > all. European chocolate is a lot nicer. BTW a very simple way of making drinking chocolate is to to combine equal qualities of cocoa powder and honey before adding hot water and milk. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] radioactivity/is in the air for you and me
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
"Robert Shiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm neither completely left, or completely right. I would be happy to pay > more income tax to improve health and education. I actually voted LibDem Why don't you simply pay more tax then? I am sure if you send a voluntary donation off to the Inland Revenue they will accept it. Just don't ask me to as well... -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] if a equals success, then the formula is _ a = _ x + _ y + _ z. _ x is work. _ y is play. _ z is keep your mouth shut. -- albert einstein
UK programmers left-wing? was Re: BOFHs requiring license
Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Take a look around you. This list, being representative of the Perl > community, tends towards the intelligent end of the spectrum. And from what > I've gathered from the conversations I've had with people here, the vast > majority of us tend towards the left[1]. I think you are being UK-centric here and falling for the old programmer myth that since its possible to program computers it is also possible to "engineer" people and the economy, although the experience of the last twenty years would suggest otherwise. Libertarianism seems more popular than socialism on the internet as as a whole, at least, with many American programmers. It's my distinct (and probably biased opinion) that the popularity of UK socialism has in long term decline since at least the late 70s and early 80s. There are certainly far fewer left-wing bookshops now than twenty years ago. Most of the young seem now more interested in single issues like animal rights, globalisation etc then traditional socialism. Blair will probably be elected next month of a platform which at least in some ways resembles Thatcherism more than traditional socialism. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] as far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. --albert einstein
Re: Schroedingers Computer
"Barbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > http://www.nature.com/nsu/010503/010503-6.html > > "So far, demonstrations of quantum computing have been limited to the most > rudimentary of calculations, involving only two or three bits of > information. " > > I'm sure Damian could them straight on that one ;-P And there was a demonstration of a 7 qubit computer last year! -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] i gained nothing at all from supreme enlightenment, and for that very reason it is called supreme enlightenment. -- gotama buddha
Re: Mailbox power ..
"Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > this mornings powerdown @ 06:00 .. what time did yours come back up and > > has it gone up and down again since then .. mines been down twice :( > > Oh bcks. Mine hasn't come back up at all. H.. I have a feeling > Sun's netra t1's don't auto power up. Design flaw. Must phone mailbox. > Grrr. If there is a power outage a netra should usually restart fine. It sounds more like your file system has corrupted and needs manual fsck (problem common to any version of UNIX running non-logging/journeling file system). If you have a remote console on it then you can fix this remotely. If you are running a recent version of solaris you can enable logging on ufs by changing /etc/vfstab (man mount) which should prevent this in future. Linux now also has reiserfs which may be worth looking at. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] free your code, your mind will follow.
Re: Company Name
"Robert Shiels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Nice summary. I was going to go for "Shiels", but there is some plastics > company in Lancs that have it already. I thought of "Shiels IT Services", > but one potential acronym of this is not very pleasing :-) What about "Shielsa" or "Shielsia"? (OK they sound crap but then it's the fashion) -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing. -- albert einstein
Re: next social meeting vs tube strike
Struan Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Noticed on my way past the news stands last night that the next tube > strike is pencilled in for May the 3rd, as is the next social > meeting. OK, so the strike might not happen but if it does is this > not going to make the next social meeting a bit problematic? why don't you have the social meeting a day earlier so that everyone can "work from home" with their hangovers the following day? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. -- h. l. mencken
BBC was Re: Beginners Guide
Neil Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Don't be suprised if by then the abolishment of the licence fee hasn't been
> announced and that the BBC hasn't announced subscription charges for it's
> services. Better that than the Beeb starts carrying ads.
Politically the BBC has been lucky with its licence fee. There was
some discussion about abolishing it in the early 1980s under Thatcher
but its been off the political agenda since then. The election of
Labour must have been a relief for them.
As for the "Beeb" carrying ads, well it has done this for several
years on its web site which was setup with ICL
http://www.beeb.net/
(this is the "Beeb" in the sense of "beeb Ventures Ltd", a subsidiary
of BBC Worldwide, the commercial arm of the BBC.) Of course few
outside the corporation itself realise that "Beeb" is actually the
brandname of a profit making company with online shopping.
The BBC proper of course actually carries adverts on television for
its own commercial products like "Radio Times" and even political
adverts supporting the way its financed ("its the unique way .. blah
blah").
But it doesn't carry adverts for anyone else.
> The BBC are definitely working towards the licence fee being withdrawn at some
> point by some government (hence all the curfuffle over ads on bbc.com), so
> alternative forms of financing will need to be sort.
The BBC is pragmatic enough to realise that long-term the licence fee
will probably go.
It's the how and when that are interesting!
--
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mary had a little key - she kept it in escrow, and every thing that
mary said, the feds were sure to know. -- sam simpson
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
Matthew Byng-Maddick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:05:43PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > > > If I see a sensible plan for certification, this sounds sensible, but > > > consider what most people think of eg. MCSEs. > > That's mainly due to the M rather than the C. > > OK, well some of the Cisco courses are pretty crap too... Generally the Cisco Certification has a good reputation. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. -- h. l. mencken
Re: Crazy Idea
Alex Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 03:29:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > How would people in London.pm like a one night camp out, subject > > to the F&M issue going away. The plan would be - we bundle into > > vehicles on a given afternoon (probably saturday), go to a farm > > shop and get lots of cider, and then spend the night around a > > camp fire, drinking and talking. > > But where would we find a camping ground with a fast net connection > and wireless LAN connections? http://www.hal2001.org/ of course! (although SSH is recommended) -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] "there are two major products that come out of berkeley: lsd and unix."
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
Matthew Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Right, well there's the difference then. I'm 29 this year and I was schooled > during the seventies. Was anyone else of a similar age *not* taught proper > punctuation and grammar at school? Back in those days, teachers actually > taught you, as opposed to writing long essays to justify performance-related > bonuses, or running around like headless chickens to prepare for OFSTED > visits. Me! I am 35 this year and was never taught grammer at all, although I was probably taught in quite a "progressive" manner for the time. In hindsight it was probably quite bad as well. I remember arguing with a teacher who told us gravity was caused by the Earth spinning round who refused to accept that the child she was teaching actually knew more about it than her. The only grammer I was taught at school was when I did foreign languages much later. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] i believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. i believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. and i believe it is better to know than to be ignorant. -- h. l. mencken
Re: Grammar (was: Re: Linux.com Online Chat)
dcross - David Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > When I was at secondary school (75 - 79) ITA was used to teach reading to a > remedial class. As (supposedly) one of the brighter pupils in my year, I got > to spend a couple of hours a week helping out in this class, which is where > I picked up ITA. I was taught ITA in the early 1970s and remember hating it. There were actually more letters than in the normal alphabet. My spelling is pretty poor as well! -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] it is better to be hated for what one is than be loved for what one is not. -andre gide
Re: Wavelan
Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > yes .. I'd heard Airport was good .. can you still configuer it if you > don't have an apple to talk to it with? indeed is there any configuration > to do .. or is it jusrt a plain ethernet bridge? It does NAT by default and basically works without configuration (which was just as well since I didn't have either a windows or macos box to use). -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] grief can take care of itself, but to get the full value of joy you must have somebody to divide it with. -- mark twain
Re: Dedrat 7.0 and PGP
Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > OK .. I'm getting desperate now :) > > Anyone out there running Redhat 7.0? > > managed to build PGP from source on it? ... or if not found a binary of > PGP that works with PGP::Sign ?? . .poxy things giving me grief .. > of course it builds fine on 6.2. which version of PGP? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have. -- harry emerson fosdick
Re: Do what I mean!
Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > We can reason that there is a Perl Core that spans multiple dimensions > so there must be a finite probability that there is one. Somewhere. > Possibly in a galaxy, far far away. Actually some of the quantum computing people believe that the parallel calculations before they collapse to the result are _really_ taking place in alternative worlds. http://sparc.airtime.co.uk/users/station/m-worlds.htm Presumably these worlds are connected by cat flaps... -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] the trouble with being punctual is that nobody's there to appreciate it. -- franklin p. jones
Re: Fwd: MacWorld Tokyo Keynote Report
James Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > G4 "tit" Powerbook? > > [insert joke] It's the Thinkpads with the nipples... -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and i'm not sure about the former. --albert einstein
Re: GnuPG::Interface & CGI
James Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ps - these t-shirt suggestions are reminding me of harry enfield > loadsamoney "shut your mouth and look at my wad" 80s shirts! What about "Larry says Relax"? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] "the right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously."--hubert humphrey
Re: Alternative to bad perl resources
Tony Bowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Surely part of the reason that so much bad code gains so much popularity > is that bad coders tend to think their code is good, so don't mind > publicising it and shouting about it lots. Good coders, on the other hand, > think that their code is always bad, so are reluctant to do much with it. > But their "bad" is usually much better than others "good" ... This is very true. Also code beauty is in the eye of the beholder and is subjective. Also badly written code can be "good" in the sense of being useful. We, as programmers, mean internal design when we say "good" whereas users refer to software as "good" because it has a simple UI, is useful and solves some problems without creating many new ones. Of course good internal design probably tends to correspond to a certain extent to good software, since it should be easier to extend when new features are required and should be less buggy. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] the surest protection against temptation is cowardice. -- mark twain
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > For someone who's never used IRC at all, it's particularly annoying. I'm no > Luddite though, I was using Cheeseplant's house over a decade ago, and wrote > my own chat system, but just never got round to IRC. I was on Cheeseplant's House as well! I recently noticed the source was out http://www.cheeseplant.org/~daniel/pages/cph.html which chat system did you write? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] enosig: this signature file is empty.
Re: Penderel Configuration
Jonathan Stowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: > > > > I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed. > > > > I think Meestah Cross has written something that does this, as have I and > I think that Tom Phoenix has released Inside now which is a properly > implemented way of doing same (I beta tested it for him and it worked > then). surely just $ perldoc perllocal ? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] there are several good protections against temptation, but the surest is cowardice. -- mark twain
Re: Technical Meeting Sponsorship
Robin Houston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 07:29:53AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: > > I've been investigating places to hold Damian's meeting and I've already > > got some interesting leads (the Conway Hall looks like it might well > > work out!) > > Conway Hall would be a great venue, for the name alone! > > It can't be too expensive, because it's used by any number of > fringe anarcho groups, who presumably don't have too much cash > spilling around. It would also be quite an interesting venue with a lot of character and Holborn is easy to get to (central and north of the river). -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] same thing day after day - tube - work - diner - work - ...tube - armchair - tub
Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms
Rob Partington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On RedHat I can do something like 'rpm -e sendmail' to clean up before > > installing qmail and, alas, I can't do this on OpenBSD (although there > > has been talk of extending the binary packages to include the base > > OS). > > If you install the postfix package, you get a script which switches your > system mailer between postfix and sendmail. Much nicer than "rpm -e", > because if you then don't get on with postfix, just run postfix-disable > and you get sendmail back. I don't want to have to install another MTA in order to remove the existing one, what if I don't want one installed at all? I would rather have a single line command able to remove any arbitary package of system files (like the supplied Perl to replace by your own?) than what you describe, which isn't a general solution to this problem but rather a feature of one program. IMO a proper binary package manager is still nicer because it also allows you to easily list and verify each file in the bundle against a checksum database. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] i installed two way mirrors in his pad in brentwood. and he'd come to the door in a dress.
Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms
Rob Partington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That installed a precompiled binary of dia for me. Or do you mean that, > say, pkg_* don't have the same functionality as RPM? It has the same (or similar functionality) but its database isn't complete because it doesn't include _every_ system file. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] i didn't have time to write a short letter, so i wrote a long one instead. -- mark twain
Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms
Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My only install of solaris has been on a 486, but IIRC you get a decent > amount of flexibility over what does, and does not, go in. As you do on most modern UNIX-like systems RedHat included.. > It's been a while since I BSD'd much, but I definately remember installing > binary packages for many things on OpenBSD. Ports (extra userland programs maintained by the team) are available as binary packages (eg. something like emacs). The base OS, and this includes perl and sendmail, isn't under under binary package control but is installed from binary tars (or via make and a CVS src tree if you are brave). On RedHat I can do something like 'rpm -e sendmail' to clean up before installing qmail and, alas, I can't do this on OpenBSD (although there has been talk of extending the binary packages to include the base OS). -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] sometimes one pays most for the things one gets for nothing. -- albert einstein
government overthowing Re: List Archive ( was SUBSCRIBE london-list archive@jab.org (fwd))
James Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Phew, just missed my 29th Sept post where I detailed my plans for > a perl script to overthrow the government. I actually think this would be possible if you ported either http://anoncvs.aldigital.co.uk/lucre/ or http://www.unicorn.com/pgp/mm-readme.html And, this is the hard bit, got everyone to use them... -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] one page principle: a specification that will not fit on one page of 8.5x11 inch paper cannot be understood. -- mark ardis
Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms
This is really sysadminy stuff and probably off topic but here I go:-
Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Isn't kickstart a solaris thing, or have redhat developed new stuff
> I didn't know about?
Kickstart is RedHat
http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/KickStart-HOWTO.html
Jumpstart is Solaris
Both are automated install procedures.
> If it is just a solaris thing, I was holding up solaris boxes as being
> GOOD because they don't come with much stuff installed. For servers,
> I see this as a desirable feature.
Whatever system I use (linux or solaris) I find they come with far too
much stuff installed. Solaris is a bad offender as well with Thai X
Windows fonts and that CDE junk as well. No I don't want power
management or true-type fonts on a server thank you Mr Joy.
Any system, irrespective of OS or distribution, I tend to totally
strip down out of all junk. Binary package managers [1] tend to help a
lot with this (yes RPM can be good especially the -e flag).
This is what the Hells Angels did with their Harleys, strip them
("chop") down the bare essentials before starting work.
I then customise them by installing all the real GNU programs (and
checking all the configuration options before building) you need like
emacs, rcs, gcc, perl etc (and the DJB stuff) under /usr/local and
killing that evil inetd program (a nice simple way of securing your
system).
If you follow this then you should be able to make a useable UNIX
system from any system (maybe even SCO if you were that insane).
[1] My main gripe with *BSD is lack of binary package management
--
1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
if we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research,
would it? - albert einstein
Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms
Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [..] > How in gods name do Sun get away with charging so much for stuff? Because they can and they have a brand people trust like IBM or Microsoft. In fact you can buy far cheaper Sun clones from companies like Transtec but the Sun name tends (rather irrationally) to carry more weight in some circles (eg. telcos, ISP and City). Many people use clones internally but Sun kit for the stuff customers see. > We've erm, "acquired" an enterprise 420. this box has 2 CPUs, 4G or > RAM and about 80G of disk. For the same money I could build a > clutster of what, 30 linux boxes? Don't tell me programmer time has > got that expensive? Or that thinking about what you're doing stopped > happening? If it's good enough for Google... You can't really compare Suns with standard PCs because they have numerous advantages still -- 64 bit archecture, faster bus, SCSI (although some use IDE now). It's still expensive to get PCs in 1U cases and you can fit a lot of Netra T1s in a 19" rack. Although for desktop use the framebuffers rarely have enough colours to be useable. I suspect things like SMP probably still work better. And if I were on call supporting a server I would probably still trust a Sparc running Solaris over some dodgy PC desktop with Redhat stuck on it by a hobbyist who has never used another UNIX. Having said that I think they are probably doomed to occupy an increasingly small niche and things like clustered Free UNIX clones (PVM on BSD or Beowolf on Linux) certainly offer more bang per buck. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a unix user to show you how it's done. --scott adams
Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms
(cc added to london.pm) Anil Madhavapeddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Quoting Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Sun do seem to have mended their ways a little. They even ship apache > > and bash as binary packages on extra CD with Solaris 8 and, most > > importantly, gcc! > > Perl is still mashed up, out of the box :-( We had to do some patching > to get CPAN to work, and don't even think of installing a fresh copy, or > half the admintools (linked against their special copy), fail miserably. > > Or have Sun solved this buggette? I just installed my own totally separate version of Perl 5.6 in /usr/local, used that and have had no problems to date, although its best to explicitly state '/usr/local/bin/perl' to prevent confusion and have that first in your PATH. I don't think Sun's Perl is actually broken [1] other than being old but the CPAN stuff is setup to use Sun's Workshop CC rather than GCC and you have to hack /usr/perl5/5.00503/sun4-solaris/Config.pm if you want to use CPAN. There was a similar problem with some of the compiler options in a system file for either imake or xmkmf which you have to fix to get xsnow to run (this was last month when I was feeling all seasonal). Sun recommend leaving their version of perl installed because it is used by kstat(1) and I suspect installs are likely to start using it. BTW does any know why Sun refer to cpu0 and cpu2 and not 0 and 1? Is it a marketing thing so the number 2 appears as an obvious second processor or is there a real reason? [1] Although it's a pity they haven't put any POD docs in the Sun::Solaris stuff -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] love is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. -- h. l. mencken
Re: JOB: desperately seeking symbian
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > you dont want this job, you'd have to sit near me ;-) The upside of this is that you are likely to get the occasional chocolate bar thrown in your direction! -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] for every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. -- h. l. mencken
Re: Consultancy company
Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I sometimes feel guilty because 90% of my work gets done in 10% of my > time. There is in fact Pareto's Law which says that 80% of results come from 20% of work (or 10-90 or whatever the numbers don't really matter). No need to feel guilty since this is the way things are. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -- philip k. dick
Re: Consultancy company
Robin Szemeti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, you wrote: > > > Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the end of every day / > > week you have changed something and can show it to the client > > again. This way the client really understands what he really wants. > > wow ... "a client that understands what they want" ... Mr Brocard, > for gods sake WALK to the meeting, DO NOT drive. I have no idea what > you're taking but I want some .. do you get to see little blue spacemen > too ;)) Further to this most clients aren't even interested in understanding what they want (that's _your_ job). They just _want_ it. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] imagination is more important than knowledge. -- albert einstein
Re: (OT-ish) whois microsoft.com
"Paul Makepeace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > From: "Benjamin Holzman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Or perhaps "even more elite than 31337". > > 31337++ (Read: "leet plus plus") :-) This must be the "hax0r" equivalent of Spinal Tap's "one lounder" on their amp setting. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] if the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. --albert einstein
Re: PIMB THC-shirts
Redvers Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Water pipes/bongs are actually worse than joints for avoiding nasty stuff in > > the smoke: THC is more soluble in the water than tar so you end up reducing > > So do people smoke the stuff (as opposed to consumption) for convenience > or maybe the familiarity of the ritual of smoking? Yes and because the effects are faster to notice when smoked and it's less effort than cooking. THC isn't water soluble at all which is why you have to dissolve the stuff in hot fat before cooking it. The effects are different eaten -- stronger, longer lasting and more hallucinogenic. This is either an advantage or disadvantage depending on your point of view. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] if we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it? - albert einstein
Re: [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > Also many hackers have more business sense than their MDs - look at > > success of projects started by hackers or engineers versus that of those > > started by MBAs or middle managers.. > > > > business sense != project sucess why not? I would have thought similar skills were involved in both? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] brook's law: adding manpower to a late software project makes it later
Re: apologies
dcross - David Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > From: Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 18 January 2001 11:05 > > > I have Deep Purple at the Montreux jazz festival 2000... ;-) > > That all sounds a bit Spinal Tap. > > "We hope you like our new direction" :) Didn't they appear at the Albert Hall with a orchestra in 1970? Their early exposure to classical music didn't impro^H^H^H^H^H change their direction much. BTW if anyone has the "On the Wings of a Russian Foxbat" 1977 bootleg on MP3 with the better guitarist than their usual one can they email it since Messrs Napster and Gnutella have failed me on this one? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] why shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction? fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- mark twain
Re: Red Hat worm discovered
"Paul Makepeace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > From: "Robin Houston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Aww c'mon! RedHat was obviously targeted because it's the most > > widely used! None of the vulnerable software was written by RH > > (and all of it was also included in other distros). > > That's true -- but how easy is RH to upgrade/patch? And why is RH7 shipping > with all these services turned on? (NFS? rpc.*? Hello?) Perhaps *that's* why > it's a steaming pile of crap getting hacked the whole time. RH is incredibly easy to upgrade with RPM one liners. There is a single web page of current security issues if people bothered to read it they wouldn't get hacked. RH7 ships with so many services turned on because Redhat marketing think offering more services by default is popular with customers. Longer feature list equal better in this world. Don't blame the distribution (they are all equivalent anyway) blame the lack of decent sysadmins. RH/Slackware/Debian/Solaris/FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD are all fine systems but they need to be setup by someone who knows what they are doing in the same way that Perl has to be written by clueful programmers. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] hey, if you can't remember when you booted it, it ain't windoze.
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:15:01 + (GMT), Kieran Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > > I thought Joe Dolce was only number 1 for a week or so, to be knocked > > off the top by Jealous Guy from Roxy Music. And poor old Vienna hung > > about at number 2 for yonks. > > Hmm... you may be right. Anyone know a site that lists UK top tens > for the 1980s? I don't but there is a excellent book called something like the "Guiness Book of Hit Singles". -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have great faith in fools -- self confidence my friends call it. -- edgar allan poe
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As I said, though, we're REALLY worried about Europeans being on > vacation and unable to attend. We don't know much about the > mysterious habits of this strange and noble race, and would appreciate > your guesses as to their actions: will our attendance be buggered[1] I don't know if you are asking the right people here. I think the actions of most Europeans are as much a mystery to those in the UK as the US. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] the demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. -- h. l. mencken
Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)
"David H. Adler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 05:19:18PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > It continues to amaze me that people still use Red Hat. It's > > just a pile of marketing driven crap. > > Oh, you're much too kind. My redhat box is disintigrating before my > very eyes. root partition filled up for no reason and, thus I looked > at the partition table: > > / > /boot > /home > > With home being the largest. > > What *were* they thinking when they configured this? I don't think you can really blame the distribution (which allows you to partition the disk how you want) for someone partitioning the disk wrongly. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] brook's law: adding manpower to a late software project makes it later
Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)
David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yeah, I know, but then I compile plenty of stuff from scratch rather than > rely on RPMs. The real reason I haven't switched is because it's really The drawback with 'make install' from source is that it doesn't write a database of files owned by that source package which is the great advantage of binary packages. So you can't use do 'make uninstall' to cleanly remove the program if you don't like or use it. This is basically what the *BSD ports system does. It should be possible to write some wrapper for GNU configure to add a 'make uninstall' to the Makefile. In the absence of this I usually type 'script' to log whats installed at the 'make install' stage.. > *nasty* trying to switch from one distro to another without a) losing > valuable config data and b) ending up with a ton of unused junk on the disk The way to handle UNIX configuration files is like software and use RCS. On every system you can then type one command 'locate ,v' to see all your local changes. You can then systematically port config changes to the new distribution. > which is nigh-on impossible to tell apart from stuff that's in use. It's a one liner to display files that haven't been used in the last three months using 'find -atime'. Other advantage of binary package managers is you can then go ahead and delete large chunks of your OS that you never use and it should warn you if it breaks other stuff. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] if we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it? - albert einstein
Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)
David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 02:46:34PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 08:28:25PM +, David Cantrell wrote: > > > lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ | sh > > > > That's cute! > > It's more than cute. It's *BRILLIANT*. The user doesn't even have to > know what computer they have. Whilst they only support a couple of > combinations of architecture and OS in that script, it would be pretty > damned trivial to have it support a few Linux distros, Solaris, *BSD > and MacOS X. How do you resume your gnome download if your modem disconnects? How do you know how much data is being transfered and at what rate (whether you have time to make a tea or a three course meal). The FTP client I use tells me first and I don't what to use anything else. It's a pretty lame script which is dependent on the presence of lynx in order to download. This road ends with the distributor supplying their own lynx all to use one small feature of the program and leads to bloat. It also assumes that the lynx on the system has been correctly configured for firewalls and the like. I thought the Helix gnome install was one of the worse I ever saw -- they were trying to look like windows but hadn't done it properly by thinking about all possible error cases. I would have prefered a short list of RPMs and FTP. Why should it have a "special" install and why can't it install like everything else? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] "my watch with a black face .. has the date in a little hole in the face"
Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > finally is it enough to simply tar.gz /usr/local/Rope and tag it > with the architecture details No you would want to build packages (.deb, .rpm and BSD and Solaris packages) of rope for a "binary" type install as well as supplying a "source" tar which works with make, make install. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] as far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. --albert einstein
Re: the list is dead, long live the list
Some people like "bernsteinisms"! ;-) "Paul Makepeace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > From: "David Cantrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Exactly. I just can't handle bernsteinisms when there are good > alternatives > > available - exim (easy), postfix (secure), mailman. I can only put up with > > his oddities when the alternative is worse. djbdns vs bind. > > Totally agreed. FWIW, exim + mailman is a slick, effective solution. > > # apt-get install mailman > > and implementing http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman.html > > Paul -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] i'm gonna climb on the mountains of the moon and find the distant man waving his spoon
Re: Hiring
David Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Simon Wistow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I think > > Ta, How did he do then? :-> -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] microsoft: where do you want to go today? linux: where do you want to go tomorrow? bsd: are you guys coming or what?
