Re: Apple Pay on Apple Watch?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Brad:

I want to focus on one phrase in your email: "Unless you take the watch
off for some reason."

How literally do I take that? Do you sleep with it on? Shower?

I cannot see myself playing piano with a watch on. It never worked in
the past, and I can't imagine I'd be comfortable wearing a watch while
playing Beethoven today. My reason is that I would bump into the watch
in those passages that called for cross hand motion, i.e. the raght hand
coming across the left for some musical phrase.

So, were I to get one, it would come on and off my hand quite regularly.
How would that work? Would I need to authenticate again and again? If it
matters I can say that my iphone will never be far away--very much in
bluetooth range.



Brad Snyder writes:
> I???ve had an Apple Watch since the first watch was released in april 2015, 
> and have only ever been required to unlock the watch once after putting it 
> on, either by using the passcode on the watch, or by unlocking the iPhone to 
> which the watch is paired.
> Unless you take the watch off for some reason, I can???t imagine why you 
> would need to re-enter the passcode on the watch.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2024, at 09:05, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh, thanks, Brad. This is helpful.  I may give it a try.  Back in the day, I 
> remember that it seemed like I had to enter the passcode a lot.  But that was 
> a long time ago.  I did not have it set up to unlock with my phone, which 
> makes a ton of sense.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> > On Mar 7, 2024, at 9:01 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> > 
> > You should not be required to enter a password on your watch every time you 
> > check the time.
> > You need to unlock your watch after you put it on, and you are good until 
> > you take the watch off.
> > Unlocking your watch can be done by entering the passcode on the watch, or 
> > unlocking your iPhone.
> > I have mine setup to unlock using my iPhone, and rarely have to actually 
> > enter the passcode on the watch.
> > Been doing it that way since I got my first watch in 2015.
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mar 7, 2024, at 08:36, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Oh, that is very convenient.  Not sure it would be worth putting a password 
> > on my watch, though.  I had one for a while, but got tired of having to 
> > enter it every time I wanted to check the time. :)
> > Cheers,
> > Donna
> > 
> >> On Mar 7, 2024, at 8:32 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Your Apple Watch is unlocked in advance. This is either done through 
> >> entering a passcode on your watch or unlocking your iPhone if you have 
> >> that feature enable. This suffices for authentication. No further 
> >> authentication is needed at time of transaction. Just hold your watch up 
> >> to the terminal, and press the side button twice quickly. That's it.
> >> 
> >> - Brad -
> >> 
> >> On Mar 7, 2024, at 08:06, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> ???Hi all,
> >> 
> >> Related to our discussion about Apple Pay, I???m curious about how it 
> >> works on the watch.  It seems like it would be super convenient to just 
> >> hold your wrist up to the reader, except that you can???t authenticate 
> >> with face or Touch ID.  So do you then have to enter your password every 
> >> time?  That seems like it would be a hassle, and also like everyone around 
> >> you would be able to hear your password.  How do people deal with that 
> >> issue?
> >> TIA,
> >> Donna
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Re: Anyone else using Apple Pay or an Apple Card?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I received my Apple Card when I bought my M2 laptop. There's nothing
different about it, other than it's slightly thicker and slightly longer
and wider than other credit cards.

Managing your financials in Wallet works very well. I have had no
accessibility issues with that aspect.


I'm actually curious about using Apple Pay out in the wild. Is phone
proximity to the payment terminal sufficient for the transaction? Or
should one expect to need to authenticate, perhaps with fingerprint or
face recognition  at some frequency? My Mini SE has fingerprint but not
face recognition. Unfortunately, fingerprint recognition can become
somewhat unreliable as one ages, and I resemble that remark.

Best,
Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> Subject says it all,  I???m considering one or both of these options.  Would 
> love to know list members experiences, both good and bad.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Keynote Slide Deck Editing Question

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Dear All:

I have a Keynote slide deck in my iCloud which has been edited by
several sighted folks to whom I've granted access for that purpose. I
now want to get back into the text of a few of those slides for a few
minor tweaks, e.g. someone misspelled "accessibility!" Another slide has
data that's now slightly out of date, and I'd like to update it.

When I bring up any slide in the deck, however, all I can find is
graphical objects. When interacting, Voice Over tells me things liked
"moved down 5 points." I surmise I've been left in a graphical editing
environment which I want no part of.

How do I get back to the text on those slides? I have a feeling I'm
missing something simple, but for the life of me, I can't find it.

Thanks in advance for all suggestions.

Janina

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Re: Installing Rogue Amoeba apps is about to get a lot easier ???

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

But that's my concern! I would agree with "set and forget" as long as
you don't update. But does that hold if you update to the latest release
of MacOS? I suspect not, and that's the reason to wait, imo.

Best,
Janina

Herbie Allen writes:
> I do hope they make updates, but you only have to do the changes once with 
> whichever app you first install. Then it???s set and forget. 
> 
> > On Mar 1, 2024, at 08:19, lenron brown  wrote:
> > 
> > I have been wondering the same thing. I guess this gives me a reason
> > to wait and not purchase at this time if they plan on changing this.
> > 
> > On 3/1/24, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
> >  wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Just wondering whether there's any update re Rogue Amoeba's dropping
> >> their dependency on hacking security settings. I've decided to update
> >> only afterwards.
> >> 
> >> Thanks!
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >>> This sounds like great news.
> >>> https://sixcolors.com/link/2024/01/installing-rogue-amoeba-apps-is-about-to-get-a-lot-easier/
> >>> <https://sixcolors.com/link/2024/01/installing-rogue-amoeba-apps-is-about-to-get-a-lot-easier/>
> >>> 
> >>> Installing Rogue Amoeba apps is about to get a lot easier
> >>> <https://weblog.rogueamoeba.com/2024/01/09/2024-status-report/>
> >>> I love Rogue Amoeba???s Mac audio utilities, but in the Apple silicon era,
> >>> installing them has been pretty rough
> >>> <https://sixcolors.com/link/2020/11/rogue-amoebas-apps-updated-for-m1-with-a-catch/>,
> >>> due to Apple requiring multiple reboots and a visit to Recovery Mode to
> >>> perform a dubious-sounding reduction to a Mac???s ???security policy.???
> >>> 
> >>> There is apparently great news on this front, however! Tucked into an
> >>> otherwise perfectly nice summation of Rogue Amoeba???s year
> >>> <https://weblog.rogueamoeba.com/2024/01/09/2024-status-report/>, CEO Paul
> >>> Kafasis wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> We???ll soon be shipping updates that simplify things immensely. In fact,
> >>> Airfoil, Audio Hijack, and Piezo will feature an installer-free setup that
> >>> won???t even need your administrator password. Meanwhile, Loopback and
> >>> SoundSource will use a new audio capture plugin called ARK that won???t
> >>> require a single system restart. It???s going to be an incredible
> >>> improvement to our user experience.
> >>> 
> >>> As someone who has had to reinstall Audio Hijack, Loopback, and
> >>> SoundSource multiple times in the last few months??? this is pretty
> >>> fantastic news. (How in the world will Audio Hijack not even require an
> >>> administrator password?!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> )
> >>> 
> >>> This has been a real pain point for more than three years, so kudos to
> >>> everyone (presumably both inside Apple and at Rogue Amoeba) who worked on
> >>> the problem and found a solution that lets some of macOS???s most clever
> >>> and useful utilities run without these issues.
> >>> 
> >>> ???Linked by Jason Snell
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>   Best wishes,
> >>> 
> >>> Jonathan Cohn
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: Installing Rogue Amoeba apps is about to get a lot easier ???

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Just wondering whether there's any update re Rogue Amoeba's dropping
their dependency on hacking security settings. I've decided to update
only afterwards.

Thanks!
Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> This sounds like great news.
> https://sixcolors.com/link/2024/01/installing-rogue-amoeba-apps-is-about-to-get-a-lot-easier/
>  
> 
>  
> Installing Rogue Amoeba apps is about to get a lot easier
>  
> I love Rogue Amoeba???s Mac audio utilities, but in the Apple silicon era, 
> installing them has been pretty rough 
> ,
>  due to Apple requiring multiple reboots and a visit to Recovery Mode to 
> perform a dubious-sounding reduction to a Mac???s ???security policy.???
> 
> There is apparently great news on this front, however! Tucked into an 
> otherwise perfectly nice summation of Rogue Amoeba???s year 
> , CEO Paul 
> Kafasis wrote:
> 
> We???ll soon be shipping updates that simplify things immensely. In fact, 
> Airfoil, Audio Hijack, and Piezo will feature an installer-free setup that 
> won???t even need your administrator password. Meanwhile, Loopback and 
> SoundSource will use a new audio capture plugin called ARK that won???t 
> require a single system restart. It???s going to be an incredible improvement 
> to our user experience.
> 
> As someone who has had to reinstall Audio Hijack, Loopback, and SoundSource 
> multiple times in the last few months??? this is pretty fantastic news. (How 
> in the world will Audio Hijack not even require an administrator password?! 
> 
> 
> )
> 
> This has been a real pain point for more than three years, so kudos to 
> everyone (presumably both inside Apple and at Rogue Amoeba) who worked on the 
> problem and found a solution that lets some of macOS???s most clever and 
> useful utilities run without these issues.
> 
> ???Linked by Jason Snell
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

The issue is licensing Fusion. Some kind of license is required, and
this is arranged during the web-based back and forth that leads to
package and license file downloads. The free license simply isn't
offered as an option. Only paid options are offered.


'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>Has anyone had success getting the free license for VMware Player 13.5?
> What is the issue with this process? Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 2/20/2024 4:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > The on line process doesn't work. I don't know why, but other people
> > have had the same problem.
> > 
> > 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > > What is the issue with renewing? I will need to do the same as well.
> > > 
> > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > > "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> > >   -Helen Keller
> > > My e-Mail:
> > > ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > 
> > > On 2/19/2024 12:17 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > > There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
> > > > students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
> > > > W3C activities for some time.
> > > > 
> > > > However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.
> > > > 
> > > > Janina
> > > > 
> > > > Anders Holmberg writes:
> > > > > Hi!
> > > > > Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
> > > > > Bless.
> > > > > /A
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I get this when I try to install windows 11.
> > > > > > Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you 
> > > > > > have not installed an operating system yet, you can choose an 
> > > > > > installation disc or disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart 
> > > > > > the virtual machine.
> > > > > > I???m on an Intel mac.
> > > > > > On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg 
> > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > > Vocr is so hard to use.
> > > > > > > I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
> > > > > > > /A
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford 
> > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR 
> > > > > > > > to get through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did 
> > > > > > > > I get Narrator sound.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows 
> > > > > > > > startup sound after going through the first steps of OS install 
> > > > > > > > where you enter a product key and such. But I didn???t have 
> > > > > > > > Narrator speech.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Kelly
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford 
> > > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer 
> > > > > > > > > beta today. VMware virtual machines do not shutdown 
> > > > > > > > > immediately any longer but I???m not getting any sound from a 
> > > > > > > > > VM to use Narrator during OS install
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >

Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I was referring to the license for VMware Fusion.

mattias jonsson writes:
> i wonder if narrator are removed from newer windows arm builds setup
> 
> > 19 feb. 2024 kl. 21:17 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
> > students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
> > W3C activities for some time.
> > 
> > However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
> >> Bless.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> I get this when I try to install windows 11.
> >>> Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
> >>> installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or 
> >>> disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
> >>> I???m on an Intel mac.
> >>> On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hi!
> >>>> Vocr is so hard to use.
> >>>> I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
> >>>> /A
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Well,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get 
> >>>>> through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator 
> >>>>> sound.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound 
> >>>>> after going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a 
> >>>>> product key and such. But I didn???t have Narrator speech.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Kelly
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford  
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta 
> >>>>>> today. VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer 
> >>>>>> but I???m not getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS 
> >>>>>> install
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg  
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Hi!
> >>>>>>> Hi!
> >>>>>>> Vocr is very very tedious.
> >>>>>>> So I rather not use any virtual machine.
> >>>>>>> I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto 
> >>>>>>> or windows.
> >>>>>>> Bless.
> >>>>>>> /A
> >>>>>>>> 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via 
> >>>>>>>> MacVisionaries :
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it 
> >>>>>>>> very tedious and definitely would prefer to avoid that.
> >>>>>>>> 
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

The on line process doesn't work. I don't know why, but other people
have had the same problem.

'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>What is the issue with renewing? I will need to do the same as well.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 2/19/2024 12:17 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
> > students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
> > W3C activities for some time.
> > 
> > However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> > > Hi!
> > > Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
> > > Bless.
> > > /A
> > > 
> > > > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> > > > :
> > > > 
> > > > I get this when I try to install windows 11.
> > > > Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have 
> > > > not installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation 
> > > > disc or disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual 
> > > > machine.
> > > > I???m on an Intel mac.
> > > > On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi!
> > > > > Vocr is so hard to use.
> > > > > I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
> > > > > /A
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to 
> > > > > > get through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get 
> > > > > > Narrator sound.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup 
> > > > > > sound after going through the first steps of OS install where you 
> > > > > > enter a product key and such. But I didn???t have Narrator speech.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Kelly
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford 
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta 
> > > > > > > today. VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any 
> > > > > > > longer but I???m not getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator 
> > > > > > > during OS install
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg 
> > > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > > > Vocr is very very tedious.
> > > > > > > > So I rather not use any virtual machine.
> > > > > > > > I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install 
> > > > > > > > linux onto or windows.
> > > > > > > > Bless.
> > > > > > > > /A
> > > > > > > > > 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via 
> > > > > > > > > MacVisionaries :
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I 
> > > > > > > > > find it very tedious and definitely would prefer to avoid 
> > > > > > > > > that.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

There's an available license that's free of charge. It's available to
students and to other categories they name. I have had one based on my
W3C activities for some time.

However, I've been unable to renew. It's been very frustrating.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> Is the fusion free of charge or do I have to pay for it?
> Bless.
> /A
> 
> > 11 feb. 2024 kl. 15:57 skrev 'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > I get this when I try to install windows 11.
> > Check your Startup Disk in the virtual machine settings. If you have not 
> > installed an operating system yet, you can choose an installation disc or 
> > disc image in the CD/DVD settings and restart the virtual machine.
> > I???m on an Intel mac.
> > On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:37 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi!
> >> Vocr is so hard to use.
> >> I have tried that but was wondering should I turn off VoiceOver?
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 11 feb. 2024 kl. 00:57 skrev Kelly Ford :
> >>> 
> >>> Well,
> >>> 
> >>> I am now running a VMWare VM on my M1 Mac. I have to use VOCR to get 
> >>> through setup and then add VMWare tools.  Only then did I get Narrator 
> >>> sound.
> >>> 
> >>> I???m not entirely sure why because I did get the windows startup sound 
> >>> after going through the first steps of OS install where you enter a 
> >>> product key and such. But I didn???t have Narrator speech.
> >>> 
> >>> Kelly
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On Feb 10, 2024, at 5:28???PM, Kelly Ford  wrote:
>  
>  Hi,
>  
>  For what it is worth, my Mac updated to the latest developer beta today. 
>  VMware virtual machines do not shutdown immediately any longer but I???m 
>  not getting any sound from a VM to use Narrator during OS install
>  
>  I am trying to get through it with VOCR so we will see.
>  
>  
>  
> > On Feb 9, 2024, at 9:50???AM, Anders Holmberg  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi!
> > Hi!
> > Vocr is very very tedious.
> > So I rather not use any virtual machine.
> > I will try to find a refurbished laptop that I can install linux onto 
> > or windows.
> > Bless.
> > /A
> >> 8 feb. 2024 kl. 03:02 skrev 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> >> :
> >> 
> >> How do you find Parallels? Are you all right using VOCR? I find it 
> >> very tedious and definitely would prefer to avoid that.
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I'm on an M2 Max Pro laptop.

Findings so far: May need sighted assistance if using the pre-built
image to get the screen reader going in the VM.

Alternatively, I should be able to install from the installation ISO, I
should be able to arrow down once within the first 15 seconds of booting
the ISO to enable Speakup during installation. This is what I'm trying
to do so far without success so far.

Terje Str?mberg writes:
> Are you using one of te m1, m2, m3 mac models ? Or an Intel mac ?
> Take care
> 
> 
> 
> tir. 26. des. 2023 kl. 18:18 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:
> 
> > If that is true, then I will stop using Windows. It runs fine on
> > Monterey so will keep that for backup.
> >
> >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >   -Helen Keller
> > My e-Mail:
> > ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >
> > On 12/26/2023 8:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> > > free license.
> > >
> > > It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> > > from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> > > much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> > > accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> > > in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> > >
> > > So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> > > and mend their ways?
> > >
> > > Argh!
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > >> Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a
> > new
> > >> license key (free) for Player.
> > >>
> > >>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > >> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> > >>   -Helen Keller
> > >> My e-Mail:
> > >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > >>
> > >> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > >>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> > >>> another issue.
> > >>>
> > >>> hth
> > >>> Janina
> > >>>
> > >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> > >>>> Hi!
> > >>>> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> > >>>> Or do you still have the intel?
> > >>>> /A
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hello all,
> > >>>>> Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the
> > Mac? This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > >>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> > >>>>> -Helen Keller
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Matt! I'm downloading their pre-built Arch Linux image as I
write this.

I was happy to pay $10 9less one penny) for an accessible vm. Clearly,
I'm hoping this works out! I'll report when I've successfully started
running Arch in an UTM vm, or when I give up on trying.

Best,
Janina

'Matt Turner' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi.
>  you can download UTM from the app store for $9 to support the developers, 
> but you don???t have to.
> you can get it for free from this link.
> https://mac.getutm.app
> 
> > On Jan 3, 2024, at 10:27 AM, matthew dyer  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have not tried UTM, but looked at it in the App Store.  Is it accessible? 
> >  How does this work?  Thanks.
> > 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:08???PM, 'Sabahattin Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> This whole situation makes me sad. Of course it's less convenient to carry 
> >> multiple machines around, and there's basically no real choice to 
> >> dual-boot, so our VM tools have to work. When they're snatched away from 
> >> us by indifference to critical accessibility bugs, we suffer, not only 
> >> lost opportunity but arguably the entire value proposition of these 
> >> expensive machines, which need to run multiple operating systems to 
> >> compensate for the inadequacy of any single operating system. Sigh.
> >> 
> >> I'm looking at the possible options, but realistically if you need to use 
> >> Braille in your guest it's Parallels or UTM. You have various options if 
> >> you only need textmode access as such, like vmctl/vmcli or qemu, but that 
> >> gets us back to the problem of macOS Terminal. Certainly it can't hurt you 
> >> to learn tdsr, however it's not a substitute to Terminal or the Linux 
> >> screen readers for speech and braille, but an adjunct.
> >> 
> >> I hope vmWare is fixed soon, as I still find it to be the best option for 
> >> me. Maybe one day Apple's native virtualization.framework will support USB 
> >> passthrough and Ethernet bridging from a graphical and command line 
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Re: Password in the Terminal

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, there is not the usual clicking sonicon we're accustomed to for
each char when you enter the password in a terminal session. There's no
feedback, but it is being captured.

For instance, one command that will ask for your password is:

sudo -i

Now, if you really want to hear your password pronounced char by char,
install and use tdsr!! :)

Best,
Janina


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>When I ran something in the Terminal, I was asked for the password. I got
> no feedback from Voiceover so wondering how I should enter it. Thanks.
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Re: Installing Rogue Amoeba apps is about to get a lot easier ???

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Yes, very good news indeed!

Janina

lenron brown writes:
> I am pretty excited about this change.
> 
> On 1/10/24, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> > Hi!
> > Well that sounds great.
> > When that comes out I will remove this old one and get the full security
> > thing back.
> > Bless.
> > /A
> >
> >> 10 jan. 2024 kl. 05:12 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> >>
> >> This sounds like great news.
> >> https://sixcolors.com/link/2024/01/installing-rogue-amoeba-apps-is-about-to-get-a-lot-easier/
> >>
> >> Installing Rogue Amoeba apps is about to get a lot easier
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> >> installing them has been pretty rough
> >> ,
> >> due to Apple requiring multiple reboots and a visit to Recovery Mode to
> >> perform a dubious-sounding reduction to a Mac???s ???security policy.???
> >>
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> >> otherwise perfectly nice summation of Rogue Amoeba???s year
> >> , CEO Paul
> >> Kafasis wrote:
> >>
> >> We???ll soon be shipping updates that simplify things immensely. In fact,
> >> Airfoil, Audio Hijack, and Piezo will feature an installer-free setup that
> >> won???t even need your administrator password. Meanwhile, Loopback and
> >> SoundSource will use a new audio capture plugin called ARK that won???t
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> >> administrator password?!
> >>
> >>
> >> )
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> >> everyone (presumably both inside Apple and at Rogue Amoeba) who worked on
> >> the problem and found a solution that lets some of macOS???s most clever 
> >> and
> >> useful utilities run without these issues.
> >>
> >> ???Linked by Jason Snell
> >>
> >>
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Re: How to read pdf or if there is a app

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Ah, the wonderful world of "should!" 

Preview does pretty well on PDF that embeds postscript fonts, imo. It
does not do so well on graphical images of text characters, and it does
not directly offer the option to OCR those files.

It's important to know there is this fundamental difference in the kind
of content that comes wrapped up as PDF. In other words, the thing that
PDF is could be defined as a wrapper or an envelope into which other
content is stuffed.

Janina

Brandon Olivares writes:
> You should just be able to use the Preview app.
> 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of Rebecca Sabo 
> Date: Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 4:33 PM
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> through the mack ?  Is there an app to download for pdfs ?
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Re: Accidentally deleted App Library app on my iPhone

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks Jason. It's nice to read that I can't really delete the app
library after all. However, I can't figure how to take their remedial
steps, e.g. how to press and hold an empty area on screen or to tap on a
circle.

Perhaps this warrants a call to Apple's accessibility support.

Best,
Janina

'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries writes:
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> On 1/1/24 19:09, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > Yes, I really did do that! Now unsure of how to get it reinstalled. Any
> > suggestions much appreciated!
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> This idscussion may help.
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> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252071005?sortBy=best
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Re: Accidentally deleted App Library app on my iPhone

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

How did I do that, you ask? Let me say it was an I/O error, as in idiot
operator! ;)

Yes, I was deleting apps on my third home screen and deleted one too
many without thinking very hard about it.

Factory reset makes me shudder. Not that I couldn't do it. But I've put
a lot of work into configuring things  the way I want them. I suppose
the right backup might save me from that. On the other hand it's not
going to be a problem very often, so I'm cool with the occasional
workaround.

By the way, I ran into the issue because Siri didn't understand the app
name I wanted opened. So I:

1.  Deleted the app
2.  Enabled add to home screen and app library in Settings.
3.  Reinstalled the app.

That wasn't that hard. Easier than a factory reset!

Janina

sandie JazminKruse writes:
> how did you manage to succeed in that endeavor?
> would it not be easier, to take the iPhone, and reset it to factory default 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 2 Jan 2024, at 21.20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > ???Argh. The cure may be worse than the disease in this instance!
> > 
> > Think I'll stumble along with Siri for now!
> > 
> > Brad Snyder writes:
> >> I did not know that the App library could be deleted.
> >> Could be you will need to reset your phone back to factory default, and 
> >> set it up like a new device.
> >> 
> >> - Brad -
> >> 
> >> On Jan 1, 2024, at 18:10, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> ???Yes, I really did do that! Now unsure of how to get it reinstalled. Any
> >> suggestions much appreciated!
> >> 
> >> Janina
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah, it's working now. It wasn't a few years ago when I installed on my
2013 era Macbook Air.

ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com writes:
> Hi,
> 
> To get arch working just do the following at bootup.  When the boot menu pops 
> up, down arrow once and press enter.  When arch starts speaking, just type 
> archinstall and follow the prompts and you should be good.  HTH.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> Matthew Dyer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, January 1, 2024 3:15 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: VMware Fusion/Player
> 
> If I can get the Arch Linux installer to give me an accessible
> installation, I'll go with Arch.
> 
> When I succeded with VMware on my 2013 era Macbook Air, I was unable to
> get the Arch installer to talk, so went with Debian. That worked
> wonderfully as long as the Air was my traveling laptop.
> 
> I've never used Asahi, but Speakup will work with any Linux. The issue
> with Speakup is how hard you have to work to get Speakup to work. On
> Arch and Debian it comes with the Linux kernel. On Fedora it does not,
> so one would have to recompile the kernel. I'm not up to speed on how
> one compiles kernels these days, and I don't want to spend my life
> compiling them just to run Fedora, for instance.
> 
> At the moment I'm stuck licensing VMware 13. I can get as far as
> inputting the license key. For some stupid reason the Fusion download
> isn't giving me the free license, even though I clearly qualify for it
> and it's the license I had on my Air. That little mess remains
> untangled, and it's where I've been stuck for almost a year.
> 
> Happy New Year,
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
> > Hi!
> > Is this Debian or Arch you want to make running on the M2?
> > My Mac mini is a m1 but from what I know now there is only one linux that 
> > runs on Linux.
> >  Linux called Asahi but I guess you know more on Linux than I do.
> > Not sure if you can run this with speakup.
> > Bless.
> > /A
> > 
> > > 31 dec. 2023 kl. 04:12 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > :
> > > 
> > > Ah, bless you Anders! I suspect running anything virtualized on your
> > > Macbook Air, or on mine would be a miracle on its own anymore. I did
> > > have it working on my Air for quite a few years, though. The trick now
> > > is to get it working on my M2! That's the machine I expect to travel
> > > with for the forseeable future.
> > > 
> > > Janina
> > > 
> > > Anders Holmberg writes:
> > >> Hi!
> > >> Ok,so you can use parallels  for other operating systems than Windows.
> > >> I have a MacBook Air from 2015 I never use but it may come out handy for 
> > >> the linux thing.
> > >> I could give it to you if you like but then you need to come to Sweden 
> > >> or I need to go where you live.
> > >> Bless.
> > >> /A
> > >> 
> > >>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 19:16 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>> :
> > >>> 
> > >>> Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
> > >>> with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
> > >>> command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
> > >>> situations.
> > >>> 
> > >>> This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
> > >>> though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
> > >>> environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
> > >>> problems started when I got my M2.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Janina
> > >>> 
> > >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> > >>>> Hi!
> > >>>> Yes of corse.
> > >>>> I do understand that.
> > >>>> But do things work for you now?
> > >>>> Bless.
> > >>>> /A
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > >>>>> :
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> > >>>>> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> > >>>>> the Linux VM for traveling.
> > >>>>> 
> >

Re: Accidentally deleted App Library app on my iPhone

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Argh. The cure may be worse than the disease in this instance!

Think I'll stumble along with Siri for now!

Brad Snyder writes:
> I did not know that the App library could be deleted.
> Could be you will need to reset your phone back to factory default, and set 
> it up like a new device.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jan 1, 2024, at 18:10, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> ???Yes, I really did do that! Now unsure of how to get it reinstalled. Any
> suggestions much appreciated!
> 
> Janina
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Re: links in text messages

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Truly.

We're asking text messaging to do more and more of what it was never
designed for!

Phil Halton writes:
> Wow, not much of a resolution.??
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
> > On Jan 1, 2024, at 3:06???PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > ???Thanks also Jessica and Lori for noting the rotar isn't always reliable
> > to activate links. I guess that goes along with learning to use the
> > rotar!
> > 
> > PS: It didn't work on this particular, time-sensitive message. But, that
> > doesn't mean it won't work next time.
> > 
> > Happy New Year!
> > Janina
> > 
> > Jessica Barr writes:
> >> That happens to me sometimes too. Someone texted a link to me, and 
> >> although Links didn't show up in the rotor, I was able to activate the 
> >> link by double-tapping on it. I'm not sure whether that will always work 
> >> or I was lucky, but try that and see if it works.
> >> 
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: Lorie McCloud 
> >> Date: Sunday, December 31, 2023 03:16 PM
> >> To: via MacVisionaries 
> >> Subject: Re: links in text messages
> >> 
> >> the problem I often have with this is that even though I have links in my 
> >> rotor, they don't show up when I need them.
> >>>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 10:07 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Set your rotor to "link" then flick up or down to the desired link and 
> >>> double tap. I had problems with this one at first too
> >>> Sent from my IPhone
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Dec 30, 2023, at 10:17???PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> What's the way to click a hyperlink that arrives in a text message on
> >>>> IOS? I haven't managed to find how that's done, so appreciate any help.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Janina
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
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Re: Accidentally deleted App Library app on my iPhone

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Phil:

Apple support pages refer to something called the app library. Under
settings,, there's a subcategory called "Home Screen and App Library."
One of the options in that category is to have newly installed apps
added to both the app library and the home screen, or just to the app
library.

It's this app library I mean.

Thanks,
Janina

Phil Halton writes:
> Janina, which app library are you talking about? Personally I don???t know of 
> any ???app??? library on the iPhone. I know that various apps have their own 
> storage areas for example stream writer has a library app of its own but 
> you???re not saying which app. Please elaborate. 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
> > On Jan 1, 2024, at 7:09???PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
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> > ???Yes, I really did do that! Now unsure of how to get it reinstalled. Any
> > suggestions much appreciated!
> > 
> > Janina
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Jonathan. I would be happy to sharpen my Terminal skills. I have
no doubt but what they could be improved regardless of whether Linux is
a more compelling cli environment or not.

I would appreciate your reposting.

With appreciation,
Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> I posted recently about  screen reader for terminal windows on the Mac. Would 
> it be helpful for me to re-find that posting?
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Dec 28, 2023, at 9:14 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> > hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> > the Linux VM for traveling.
> > 
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
> >> Even for linux.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> >>> free license.
> >>> 
> >>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> >>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> >>> 
> >>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> >>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> >>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> >>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> >>> 
> >>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> >>> and mend their ways?
> >>> 
> >>> Argh!
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >>>>  Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
> >>>> license key (free) for Player.
> >>>> 
> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >>>> -Helen Keller
> >>>> My e-Mail:
> >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>>>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> >>>>> another issue.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> hth
> >>>>> Janina
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> >>>>>> Hi!
> >>>>>> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> >>>>>> Or do you still have the intel?
> >>>>>> /A
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>>>>> :
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>>  Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
> >>>>>>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >>>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >>>>>>> -Helen Keller
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

If I can get the Arch Linux installer to give me an accessible
installation, I'll go with Arch.

When I succeded with VMware on my 2013 era Macbook Air, I was unable to
get the Arch installer to talk, so went with Debian. That worked
wonderfully as long as the Air was my traveling laptop.

I've never used Asahi, but Speakup will work with any Linux. The issue
with Speakup is how hard you have to work to get Speakup to work. On
Arch and Debian it comes with the Linux kernel. On Fedora it does not,
so one would have to recompile the kernel. I'm not up to speed on how
one compiles kernels these days, and I don't want to spend my life
compiling them just to run Fedora, for instance.

At the moment I'm stuck licensing VMware 13. I can get as far as
inputting the license key. For some stupid reason the Fusion download
isn't giving me the free license, even though I clearly qualify for it
and it's the license I had on my Air. That little mess remains
untangled, and it's where I've been stuck for almost a year.

Happy New Year,
Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> Is this Debian or Arch you want to make running on the M2?
> My Mac mini is a m1 but from what I know now there is only one linux that 
> runs on Linux.
>  Linux called Asahi but I guess you know more on Linux than I do.
> Not sure if you can run this with speakup.
> Bless.
> /A
> 
> > 31 dec. 2023 kl. 04:12 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Ah, bless you Anders! I suspect running anything virtualized on your
> > Macbook Air, or on mine would be a miracle on its own anymore. I did
> > have it working on my Air for quite a few years, though. The trick now
> > is to get it working on my M2! That's the machine I expect to travel
> > with for the forseeable future.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi!
> >> Ok,so you can use parallels  for other operating systems than Windows.
> >> I have a MacBook Air from 2015 I never use but it may come out handy for 
> >> the linux thing.
> >> I could give it to you if you like but then you need to come to Sweden or 
> >> I need to go where you live.
> >> Bless.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 19:16 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
> >>> with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
> >>> command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
> >>> situations.
> >>> 
> >>> This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
> >>> though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
> >>> environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
> >>> problems started when I got my M2.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> >>>> Hi!
> >>>> Yes of corse.
> >>>> I do understand that.
> >>>> But do things work for you now?
> >>>> Bless.
> >>>> /A
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>>> :
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> >>>>> hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> >>>>> the Linux VM for traveling.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> >>>>>> Hi!
> >>>>>> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
> >>>>>> Even for linux.
> >>>>>> /A
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>>>>>  wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get 
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> free license.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> >>>>>>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug 
> >>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to 
> >>>>>>> pay
> >>>>>>

Re: links in text messages

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks also Jessica and Lori for noting the rotar isn't always reliable
to activate links. I guess that goes along with learning to use the
rotar!

PS: It didn't work on this particular, time-sensitive message. But, that
doesn't mean it won't work next time.

Happy New Year!
Janina

Jessica Barr writes:
> That happens to me sometimes too. Someone texted a link to me, and although 
> Links didn't show up in the rotor, I was able to activate the link by 
> double-tapping on it. I'm not sure whether that will always work or I was 
> lucky, but try that and see if it works.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Lorie McCloud 
> Date: Sunday, December 31, 2023 03:16 PM
> To: via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: links in text messages
> 
> the problem I often have with this is that even though I have links in my 
> rotor, they don't show up when I need them.
> > On Dec 30, 2023, at 10:07 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> > 
> > Set your rotor to "link" then flick up or down to the desired link and 
> > double tap. I had problems with this one at first too
> > Sent from my IPhone
> > 
> > 
> >> On Dec 30, 2023, at 10:17???PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> What's the way to click a hyperlink that arrives in a text message on
> >> IOS? I haven't managed to find how that's done, so appreciate any help.
> >> 
> >> Janina
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: links in text messages

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Phil. I keep forgetting about the rotar! Guess myNew Year's
resolution s to remember it and get good at using it!

Happy New Year!
Janina

Phil Halton writes:
> Set your rotor to ???link??? then flick up or down to the desired link and 
> double tap. I had problems with this one at first too
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
> > On Dec 30, 2023, at 10:17???PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > ???What's the way to click a hyperlink that arrives in a text message on
> > IOS? I haven't managed to find how that's done, so appreciate any help.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 
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links in text messages

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What's the way to click a hyperlink that arrives in a text message on
IOS? I haven't managed to find how that's done, so appreciate any help.

Janina


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Re: Ailing 2013 MacBook Air

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Phil:

I still use my 2013 era Mac Air. I am fully updated to Big Sur, the
lates it seems there will ever be for those older machines.

I can easily get my Air into a situations where the fans are running
almost constantly. My solution is to minimize how many applications I
keep open on the Air. There's an old saying about software expanding to
take advantage of newer, more powerful hardware. I've always thought
those fans are illustrating that old principle.

Best,
Janina

Phil Halton writes:
> I have an older MacBook Air from 2013 that is exhibiting a heck of a lot of 
> fan activity these days. I upgraded to a MacBook Pro with the M3 Pro chip and 
> I???m very happy with it but I???m trying to put some use to the old air. 
> Last night I reinstalled the operating system after doing some first aid 
> through disc utility And there???s still fan activity as far as I can tell. I 
> reinstalled Catalina. I did not do a full erase and clean install, only a 
> reinstall of the OS. I???m wondering, any ideas why all this fan activity is 
> it aging Hardware? Or is it some kind of  Software problem, or even just data 
> problems from years built up without ever erasing and reformatting. I???ll be 
> glad to hear any ideas as to how I can bring this thing back to a reasonably 
> good state of operation and if that means full of erasure and reinstall then 
> I???d be willing to do that. Frankly I don???t see why this thing should be  
> choking on itself the way it is. Thanks for any advice. 
> Sent from my IPhone
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Let's say that I stumble along with the Mac Terminal whilst on the road
with my Macbook. For me it's horribly clunky to do much of anything
command line through that app, but it's not impossible in most
situations.

This thread suggests to me that I should take another look at Parallels,
though. I don't even need the Linux desktop, just the command line shell
environment. This was working very well indeed on my old Mac Air. My
problems started when I got my M2.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> Yes of corse.
> I do understand that.
> But do things work for you now?
> Bless.
> /A
> 
> > 29 dec. 2023 kl. 03:14 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
> > hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
> > the Linux VM for traveling.
> > 
> > 
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> >> Hi!
> >> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
> >> Even for linux.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> >>> free license.
> >>> 
> >>> It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> >>> from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> >>> 
> >>> Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> >>> much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> >>> accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> >>> in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> >>> 
> >>> So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> >>> and mend their ways?
> >>> 
> >>> Argh!
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >>>>  Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
> >>>> license key (free) for Player.
> >>>> 
> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >>>> -Helen Keller
> >>>> My e-Mail:
> >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>>>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> >>>>> another issue.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> hth
> >>>>> Janina
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> >>>>>> Hi!
> >>>>>> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> >>>>>> Or do you still have the intel?
> >>>>>> /A
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>>>>> :
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>>>  Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
> >>>>>>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> >>>>>>> 
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> >>>>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Not me. Not enough room in my suitcase, which is when I need the Mac
hosted Linux. I've a perfectly good native Linux in my office. I want
the Linux VM for traveling.


Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> I???d rather use an old laptop for such things.
> Even for linux.
> /A
> 
> > On 26 Dec 2023, at 17:31, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
> > free license.
> > 
> > It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
> > from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.
> > 
> > Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
> > much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
> > accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
> > in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.
> > 
> > So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
> > and mend their ways?
> > 
> > Argh!
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >>   Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
> >> license key (free) for Player.
> >> 
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >> -Helen Keller
> >> My e-Mail:
> >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >> 
> >> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >>> You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> >>> 
> >>> I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> >>> another issue.
> >>> 
> >>> hth
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
> >>>> Hi!
> >>>> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> >>>> Or do you still have the intel?
> >>>> /A
> >>>> 
> >>>>> 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>>> :
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>   Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
> >>>>> This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> >>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> >>>>> -Helen Keller
> >>>>> My e-Mail:
> >>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing that you're also unable to get the
free license.

It turns out a lot of people have had issues with that, totally aside
from any accessibility. I've wasted a lot of time trying to debug that.

Furthermore, I'm concerned that VMware's new owners aren't going to pay
much attention to accessibility given as how they just fired all the
accessibility people from VMware. Way to go Broadcom! You're clearly not
in tune with how to sell in the U.S. and the E.U.

So, anyone want to make a wager on how long it will take them to learn
and mend their ways?

Argh!

Janina

'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>Yes that is what I determined is the issue. And I also can't get a new
> license key (free) for Player.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>  -Helen Keller
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 12/22/2023 12:48 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.
> > 
> > I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
> > another issue.
> > 
> > hth
> > Janina
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> > > Hi!
> > > DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> > > Or do you still have the intel?
> > > /A
> > > 
> > > > 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> > > > :
> > > > 
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? 
> > > > This broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> > > > 
> > > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > > > "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> > > > -Helen Keller
> > > > My e-Mail:
> > > > ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Will Vm Ware run on a M2 Mac?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

VMware Fusion 13 (or higher) is what you need for your M2. Older VMware will 
not work.

NOTE: To answer your earlier email about importing a Parellels VM into
VMware ... I wouldn't even expect that to work. Parallels has its own
way of creating and specifying virtual machines. And VMware has its way
of doing that. The two are not the same. Don't be fooled by the fact
that both platforms use the same name: "Virtual Machine." There's not a
definition of virtual machine that both companies must adhere to. They
each get to do their virtual machines as they see fit and there's no
requirement that these are interchangeable.

Maurice A. Mines writes:
> Hi  the  subject  says  it  all . Thinking about  switching from Parallels to 
>  Vm Ware. Is  this  a  good  idea? I  am  using  a  M2 Mac.
> 
> I hope  that all  list members of  the  list  are  having  a  grate holiday. 
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Re: Uber app kills Voice Over on my iPhone

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

For the record the problem has resolved itself sometime over the past 48
hours. I hate problems that resolve themselves because one never learns
anything from such situations. :)


On the other hand, this was a serious showstopper when it was a problem.
It made my iPhone useless while the problem was manifesting. I'm so glad
I have a fallback Android phone which usefully mirrors the Uber data in
realtime in the Android Uber app.

Brad Snyder writes:
> You might want to try restarting VoiceOver.
> You can do this by asking Siri to turn VoiceOver off, then asking Siri to 
> turn VoiceOver back on.
> Sometimes cycling VoiceOver off and then back on corrects all kinds of issues.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 09:21, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> The only restart I know is long press of the power button followed by
> double tap on screen, as Power Off is the default action on the menu
> there. Note I also have no VO on this menu.
> 
> I guess I need to reinstall the app because I am indeed on 17.2.1.
> 
> Brad Snyder writes:
> > My suggestion would be to restart your device.
> > Also, make sure you are updated to the latest version of iOS, which is 
> > version 17.2.1. 
> > If the issue persists, delete the Uber app, and reinstall.
> > 
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 22, 2023, at 14:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Dear All:
> > 
> > Beginning during an outing this past Wednesday, but then again Thursday
> > I noticed that using Uber on my SE is crashing Voice Over. I can order
> > the ride. The crash occurs when trip data is loaded. I still have speech
> > as some of the data comes across, but it eventually dies fully.
> > 
> > Strangely, receiving an incoming phone call reactivates VoiceOver, but
> > only while the phone is ringing. Once answered or dismissed, I have no
> > Voice Over output.
> > 
> > Needless to say this is a showstopper for relying on Uber and my iPhone.
> > Anyone else seen anything like this?
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
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Re: Uber app kills Voice Over on my iPhone

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

The only restart I know is long press of the power button followed by
double tap on screen, as Power Off is the default action on the menu
there. Note I also have no VO on this menu.

I guess I need to reinstall the app because I am indeed on 17.2.1.

Brad Snyder writes:
> My suggestion would be to restart your device.
> Also, make sure you are updated to the latest version of iOS, which is 
> version 17.2.1. 
> If the issue persists, delete the Uber app, and reinstall.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2023, at 14:59, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear All:
> 
> Beginning during an outing this past Wednesday, but then again Thursday
> I noticed that using Uber on my SE is crashing Voice Over. I can order
> the ride. The crash occurs when trip data is loaded. I still have speech
> as some of the data comes across, but it eventually dies fully.
> 
> Strangely, receiving an incoming phone call reactivates VoiceOver, but
> only while the phone is ringing. Once answered or dismissed, I have no
> Voice Over output.
> 
> Needless to say this is a showstopper for relying on Uber and my iPhone.
> Anyone else seen anything like this?
> 
> Janina
> 
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Re: What can you connect to the iPhone 15 with USB-C? 9 to 5 Mac

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Minor, but key correction to the below ...

Why did Apple adopt USB-C? Because the E.U. required it, if one wants to
sell in the E.U.

Janina

MacVisionaries writes:
> 9to5Mac - Sunday, December 17, 2023
> 
> What can you connect to the iPhone 15 with USB-C?
>  
> On the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus, Apple finally got rid of the Lightning 
> port and replaced it with USB-C. This opens up a whole new world of 
> convenience of connecting accessories and peripherals. The iPhone 15 Pro 
> and iPhone 15 Pro Max go one step further, as the USB-C port on the pro 
> models supports USB-3 speeds, enabling up to 10 Gbps data transfer speeds.
> 
> USB-C makes it easy to connect displays, external storage, cameras, and 
> charge using the same cable as all your other devices. Here???s what you can 
> do with your new iPhone and its shiny new port ???
> 
> Why did Apple change from Lightning?
> Apple was fully invested in Lightning port ecosystem on the iPhone. 
> However, it began adopting USB-C across Mac and iPad models since 2015 as a 
> way to modernize PC connectivity. USB-C is versatile, carrying power and 
> data with the same connector. And USB-4 / Thunderbolt offers even higher 
> data transfer speeds.
> 
> At the same time, USB-C was becoming increasingly popular on the Android 
> side of the smartphone market. But Apple stuck with Lightning on iPhone, 
> partly because they were still stung from the backlash of 30-pin -> 
> Lightning transition that happened more than a decade ago.
> 
> The forcing factor for Apple was the EU commission, who have passed 
> legislation to reduce e-waste by enforcing USB-C as the universal connector 
> for phones. That would mean Apple would at least have to make a special 
> model of iPhone for the European market. That brings its own complications. 
> Instead, Apple chose to just adopt USB-C across the board ??? and apart from 
> the frustration of customers having to change out all their existing 
> now-defunct Lightning cables, that brings a lot of benefits ???
> 
> Universal USB-C Charging
> Now that you have an iPhone 15, you are probably close to being able to use 
> the same single cable to charge all of your devices. Almost all iPads have 
> a USB-C port, and all Macs have been sporting USB-C for a decade. The 
> newest Macs come with Apple???s MagSafe charger, but they can also be charged 
> by plugging in to one of their USB-C ports too. The latest-generation Apple 
> TV comes with a USB-C remote, and Apple just released a new AirPods Pro 
> with a USB-C charging case. You can also now buy just the USB-C case 
> separately from the Apple Store.
> 
> Apple sells its own USB-C charge cables, and the iPhone comes with a nice 
> quality woven cable in the box itself. Unlike Lightning, USB-C is not 
> proprietary. To charge your Apple gear, you can use any USB-C charging 
> cable or accessory on the market. That includes cheaper USB-C cables, and 
> USB-C cables of different styles and lengths. Anker has a very convenient 
> dual 47 watt USB-C power adapter, for example.
> 
> To charge your iPhone at full speed, you want to use a 20-watt or 30-watt 
> power adapter. You can safely use a higher wattage power adapter like the 
> one that comes with your MacBook; the phone will automatically manage the 
> power. 
> 
> Charge other devices with your iPhone 15 battery
> Another cool angle of the USB-C charging story is that you can now use the 
> iPhone to charge other accessories. The iPhone 15 can accept up to 27 watts 
> through the USB-C port, but itself can also output about 4.5 watts. 
> (Lightning could only manage a measly 0.3watts.)
> This means you can actually use your spare iPhone battery to power and 
> charge connected accessories. If your AirPods are running low, in a pinch, 
> you can plug them into your phone and your phone will top up the juice in 
> your AirPods case. You could even top up the battery of another person???s 
> iPhone ??? but just be aware it will take a while.
> 
> Easily connect to external displays
> With Lightning, you could only connect to external displays via a clunky 
> dongle. With USB-C on iPhone 15, you can output to a screen directly. Use a 
> USB-C to HDMI cable and show your iPhone screen on a 4K TV or monitor, with 
> screen mirroring. If you are watching a movie in a video streaming service 
> app, the film will automatically fill the TV dimensions with playback 
> controls on the touch screen. Easily show off your photo library or conduct 
> a presentation with Keynote by just plugging your phone directly into a 
> projector.
> 
> One of the use cases Apple is pushing is positioning iPhone as a portable 
> games console. Using the power of the A17 Pro chip inside, iPhone 15 Pro 
> can run some top-end games with high graphical fidelity. Pair an Xbox or 
> PlayStation game controller, connect your phone to a TV, and start gaming. 
> The Apple USB-C Digital AV adapter is a good choice for this use case, as 
> it allows for 

Re: VMware Fusion/Player

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

You need Fusion 13 for VMware to work on Sonoma.

I'm still trying to resolve why I can't upgrade my license, but that's
another issue.

hth
Janina

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> DOes it even work on an m1 Mac?
> Or do you still have the intel?
> /A
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> > 17 dec. 2023 kl. 01:40 skrev 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> > Hello all,
> >   Anyone using this app to run a Windows virtual machine on the Mac? This 
> > broke under Sonoma where the VM will not start up. Thanks.
> > 
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Do you have a favorite app/browser for Twitter/X??

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I need to spend some time following a few items on X, formerly known as
Twitter. I'm wondering any advice for most accessible approaches using
Voice Over? Stick to Safari? Google Chrome? Firefox? Perhaps an app
from the Apple app store?

Any suggestions much appreciated!

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Re: Getting VoiceOver TTS into Zoom calls

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You're correct, Jason. However, checking the box wasn't sufficient for
some reason.

'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries writes:
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> On 3/12/23 09:29, Brad Snyder wrote:
> > Loopback is a great option, however if you are already able to screen 
> > share, then just change your VO output to the system default ,and you 
> > should be good.
> If I remember rightly, when you enable screen sharing, there's an option
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Re: Getting VoiceOver TTS into Zoom calls

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Thanks, I'm already able to screen share--and need to, actually. So,
I'll check my VO settings when I next need this tomorrow. Thanks, Brad,
All.

Janina

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> Loopback is a great option, however if you are already able to screen share, 
> then just change your VO output to the system default ,and you should be good.
> 
> - Brad -
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> On Dec 3, 2023, at 06:06, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> ???That is a thing with Rogueamoeba products with M1 Macs, However, I have 
> helped a number of people through this process and they have had no issues 
> afterwards, so it is safe. You can also do Screen Share, but Loopback is a 
> better way as you it???s easier, and you don???t have to worry about how the 
> meeting permissions are set.
> 
> > On Dec 3, 2023, at 07:29, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> > The last time I played with Rogue Amoeba software, the installer wanted
> > permission to overwrite part of Apple's kernel space. Assuming even that
> > there may be no malware involved, it still seems a risky thing to do
> > just from a functionality perspective relating to other applications.
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> > John Dowling writes:
> >>  Hi,
> >> 
> >>  You could always try Loopback by Rogue Amoeba.
> >> 
> >>  A license costs $100, but it's totally worth it.
> >> 
> >>  You can get it here:
> >> 
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Re: Getting VoiceOver TTS into Zoom calls

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The last time I played with Rogue Amoeba software, the installer wanted
permission to overwrite part of Apple's kernel space. Assuming even that
there may be no malware involved, it still seems a risky thing to do
just from a functionality perspective relating to other applications.

John Dowling writes:
>Hi,
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>You could always try Loopback by Rogue Amoeba.
> 
>A license costs $100, but it's totally worth it.
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>social-banner-loopback.png
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>  On Dec 3, 2023, at 07:20, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
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>Dear All:
>I have the need for Voice Over TTS audio on certain Zoom calls. How can
>this be accomplished?
>I'm currently able to share other audio, but my TTS isn't being picked
>up. Should I change the output device perhaps?
>Thanks for any suggestions,
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Re: Using Touch ID with sudo in MacOS Sonoma

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Dave Carlson writes:
> Sorry, I can’t figure out exactly what to do with this, even though it sounds 
> useful. Can you give step-by-step instructions for me, not being a terminal 
> whiz-bang?
> 

OK. Try this ...

Launch the Terminal, perhaps using Spotlight. This will put you at a
command prompt.

sudo -i
You're prompted for your ordinary user password. Enter it and press enter.

cd /etc/pam.d/
This puts you in the pam.d folder which inside the /etc folder. NOTE: On
the command line we typically call folders directories.

ccp -a sudo_local.template  sudo_local
This creates a copy of the template file with the .template extension.

Launch your favorite text editor, navigate to the very last line in the
file, and delete the octothorp character, also called a pound sign or a
hash mark that is the first character of the last line of text in the
file.

Save, noting that the file is write protected, so you'll need to issue
the appropriate over-ride to actually write. I use vim, so my command to
accomplish that is :w!

hth

Janina

> Dave Carlson
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> 
> On Oct 23, 2023, at 6:35 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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> There’s an interesting but not much publicized new feature in MacOS Sonoma: 
> you can enable Touch ID to be used with the sudo command, and this 
> configuration change persists across operating system updates.
> To make the change, copy /etc/pam.d/sudo_local.template to  sudo_local in the 
> same directory, then edit it and uncomment the last line.
> When you use the sudo command, instead of a password prompt, you’ll be 
> presented with a VoiceOver-accessible dialogue that prompts you to use Touch 
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Re: DocuSign Query

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Hi,

I've had recent experience of a Docusign PDF incorrectly configured. It
didn't work for me, nor the sighted colleague who also tried on my
behalf.

When correctly configured I've had no issues using it on my Macbook or
on Linux. Don't blieve I've tried on any mobile, but I would expect it
to work.

Janina

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Re: Navigating by Chapters on YouTube

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Well, yes. I'm not aware that it's widely used, but they are indeed
supported by YouTube Studio. Go to a search entry and simply put in:

YouTube +chapters

And you get a series of howto docs on adding them. YouTube even supports
automated chaptering, but we haven't found that to work. We're adding
them manually, and our expirimental page, last Sunday's 11:00 AM Worship
Service is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzyJDy3lly4

Note this is an expirimental copy. I can tell you that the National
Cathedral (in Washington D.C.) routinely uses YouTube Chapers for it's
worship uploads:

http://cathedral.org

And, just to keep things simple, here's an article about
why using chapters in YouTube posts is a smart strategy:

https://timqueen.com/youtube-chapters/


Note that they can be created on the side in an ASCII file and uploaded
that way. You don't need to create the demarcations on the fly while in
Studio, you can upload a text file of them to associate with your video.

Janina


Herbie Allen writes:
> I didn’t even know there were chapters in Youtube? Can you provide a video 
> that has them?
> 
> > On May 26, 2023, at 08:44, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Dear All:
> > 
> > May I ask about people's experiences navigating by chapter in YouTube
> > videos? I've had some success with Firefox, but
> > struck out with ever other client I've tried so far.
> > 
> > I haven't yet tried on my iPhone, but I got nowhere with Safari or
> > Google Chrome on my very much up to date Macbook.
> > 
> > I'm not sure if it's the particular browser, lack of a specific browser
> > extension, or lack of adequate AT support. So, I'm curious to hear
> > whether anyone is finding some combination preferable in onger YouTube
> > content that has been delineated by chapters.
> > 
> > In fact my W3C standards group is going to be raising enhancing chapters
> > for to support markup for several reasons I should really make a
> > separate email. So, let me just stop right here for now and ask for any
> > experiences you all might have with chapters on YouTube.
> > 
> > All wisdom you might share is most gratefully appreciated.
> > 
> > Janina
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Navigating by Chapters on YouTube

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Dear All:

May I ask about people's experiences navigating by chapter in YouTube
videos? I've had some success with Firefox, but
struck out with ever other client I've tried so far.

I haven't yet tried on my iPhone, but I got nowhere with Safari or
Google Chrome on my very much up to date Macbook.

I'm not sure if it's the particular browser, lack of a specific browser
extension, or lack of adequate AT support. So, I'm curious to hear
whether anyone is finding some combination preferable in onger YouTube
content that has been delineated by chapters.

In fact my W3C standards group is going to be raising enhancing chapters
for to support markup for several reasons I should really make a
separate email. So, let me just stop right here for now and ask for any
experiences you all might have with chapters on YouTube.

All wisdom you might share is most gratefully appreciated.

Janina

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Re: Seeking a TwistedWave Tutorial

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Thanks, Anders. There's no particular rush. I am also willing to hack at
figuring it all out. It just seems a tutorial or documentation would
make things smoother.

An example ...

I've found that I can advance into a large (more than an hour) video to
the point I want to make the start point of my clip, but the increments
are quite small, so that it takes many, many keystrokes to get to the
right spot. Once there, I've not figured out how to lock myself to that
spot, or to create a marker there that I could use to get back to that
spot quickly. For some reason it's very easy to make a mistake while
hacking and find myself back at the beginning. Given the small
time increments I've discovered so far, that's rather discouraging.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> Well, twisted wave is  actually more simple then Amadeus pro.
> So yes I guess its what you want.
> Sadly I don’t know any good tutorial for this.
> But I can help you look for one if you like?
> When do you need that tutorial?
> Bless.
> /A
> 
> > 3 apr. 2023 kl. 11:44 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Dear All:
> > 
> > The description of the $99 MacOS version of TwistedWave seems to do what
> > I need. I really have one use for such a tool:
> > 
> > *   I need to be able to select a range of content in a .mp4 or .mkv
> > *   file and copy it all into a new file, including the full
> > *   richness of the audio plus whatever video comes with.
> > 
> > *   Ideally, I should then be able to apply a fade-in and fade-out
> > *   to the clip.
> > 
> > Needless to say, I need to do this all with keyboard commands.
> > 
> > So, is TwistedWave a good choice for this? Something else (like
> > iMovie?)? And, if so, can you point me to documentation or tutorials
> > that would help me understand how to use this app?
> > 
> > All suggestions much appreciated.
> > 
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Seeking a TwistedWave Tutorial

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Dear All:

The description of the $99 MacOS version of TwistedWave seems to do what
I need. I really have one use for such a tool:

*   I need to be able to select a range of content in a .mp4 or .mkv
*   file and copy it all into a new file, including the full
*   richness of the audio plus whatever video comes with.

*   Ideally, I should then be able to apply a fade-in and fade-out
*   to the clip.

Needless to say, I need to do this all with keyboard commands.

So, is TwistedWave a good choice for this? Something else (like
iMovie?)? And, if so, can you point me to documentation or tutorials
that would help me understand how to use this app?

All suggestions much appreciated.

Janina

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Re: Question: Which thunderbolt port powers the M2 Macbook?

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What a stunningly delicious answer! Thanks, Brad.

I say delicious because I know there will be times when the least
obtrusive path for that one thunderbolt cable will be to my left, and
other times when it will be to my right. This is assuming it will be
useful to take this (or a similar dock) with me on the road. I've been
in too many hotel rooms for week-long stays to be keenly aware of how
this is really the most helpful situation possible. Something so simple
can actually matter for comfort and ease of use.

Best,

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Any of them.
> You can use any of the thunderbolt ports on a MacBook Pro/air to provide 
> power to the unit.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 19, 2023, at 01:43, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know?
> 
> Is it the single thunderbolt port on the right edge between the card
> reader and the hdmi port? Or is it one of the two thunderbolt ports on
> the left next to the power connector?
> 
> I'm thinking of picking up the Corsair TBT200 this week and wondering
> where to interface it on my Macbook. It's a pricy dock, but it is
> powered by its own power supply and able to deliver 96W to the Macbook.
> I like the idea of just one cable connection everytime I want to remove
> or return my laptop to my desk.
> 
> FYI: Here's a review:
> 
> https://www.lbtechreviews.com/test/computer/corsair-tbt200
> 
> Best,
> 
> Janina
> 
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Question: Which thunderbolt port powers the M2 Macbook?

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Anyone know?

Is it the single thunderbolt port on the right edge between the card
reader and the hdmi port? Or is it one of the two thunderbolt ports on
the left next to the power connector?

I'm thinking of picking up the Corsair TBT200 this week and wondering
where to interface it on my Macbook. It's a pricy dock, but it is
powered by its own power supply and able to deliver 96W to the Macbook.
I like the idea of just one cable connection everytime I want to remove
or return my laptop to my desk.

FYI: Here's a review:

https://www.lbtechreviews.com/test/computer/corsair-tbt200

Best,

Janina


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Re: CVS Pharmacy Spoken Rx for iOS and Android

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I'm shopping for a new pharmacy by month's end. There are several
reasons why I'm not sure I want to go with CVS so am looking at other
options. In particular I'm wondering whether anyone knows whether Amazon
Pharmacy is supporting this kind of functionality? Another choice I see
is Express Scripts. I presume there should be a couple more. Any
pointers much appreciated.

Best,

Janina

M. Taylor writes:
> Hi! It's your prescription talking."
> Spoken RxT tells you which prescription you're holding and how to take it.*
> All you need is a smart tagged prescription and the CVS PharmacyR mobile
> app.
> 
> Just call your local CVS Pharmacy to sign up
> Available now at a CVS Pharmacy location near you
> What's Spoken Rx?
> It's a smart tagged prescription label that works with our app to read your
> prescription information aloud in English or Spanish.  Created for blind or
> low-vision patients, Spoken Rx shares your prescription information without
> having to read the label.
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I have been wanting to post about this marvelous free resource for quite
> some time.
> 
> Recently, Ricky Enger did a Hadley sponsored podcast on this new resource
> and I want to make it available here.
> 
> Below my signature, you will find the transcript of her latest podcast
> discussing CVS's Spoken RX system.
> 
> At the end of the transcript, you will find the link to the original article
> from which you may listen to the audio version of the interview.
> 
> Spoken Rx is a huge step in the right direction in terms of a mainstream
> resource providing critical prescription medication information in an
> accessible format for the blind and low vision.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> An episode of the Hadley Presents: A Conversation with the Experts audio
> podcast
> Thursday, January 5, 2023
> 
> Learn how CVS pharmacy customers throughout the US can access a free service
> that reads aloud prescription medication information.
> 
> CVS Pharmacy: Spoken RX
> 
> Presented by Ricky Enger
> 
> Begin Transcript:
> Ricky Enger: Welcome to Hadley Presents. I'm your host, Ricky Enger,
> inviting you to sit back, relax, and enjoy a conversation with the experts.
> In this episode, we discuss the Spoken RX service from CVS Pharmacy, and our
> guest is Pharmacy Operations Manager, Lindsey Desrosiers. Welcome to the
> show, Lindsey.
> 
> Lindsey Desrosiers: Thank you, Ricky. So excited to be here.
> 
> Ricky Enger: Yes, it is fantastic to have you as well. I can't wait to dive
> into our discussion today. But before we do that, why don't we just get a
> little info about you. Tell us a bit about who you are and what you do at
> CVS.
> 
> Lindsey Desrosiers: Sure, gladly. I am a pharmacist by education and I work
> for CVS Pharmacy and particularly manage Spoken RX, which is an audible
> label feature available at our CVS Pharmacy locations. I manage the
> day-to-day operations for Spoken RX, which is very exciting work.
> 
> Ricky Enger: That's fantastic. I can tell you really love what you do with
> Spoken RX, and actually we love it too here at Hadley. In fact, we've
> created some workshops on how to go through the process of getting it set up
> and then, how to use Spoken Rx. And of course, those are going to be
> available for free on the Hadley website, and we'll touch on that again a
> little later. You've kind of alluded to this a bit in your intro, so before
> we really dive into talking about all the cool things about Spoken RX, what
> exactly is it?
> 
> Lindsey Desrosiers: Yeah, of course. So Spoken RX is a breakthrough feature
> on our CVS pharmacy application and it reads prescription information aloud
> in English or Spanish. Spoken RX is an important aid for patients with
> complete blindness, significant visual impairment, literacy or language
> difficulties or dyslexia. It's available at no cost to patients, so that's
> very exciting that we have this in all our locations.
> 
> Ricky Enger: Yeah, for sure.
> 
> Lindsey Desrosiers: We worked very closely with the American Council of the
> Blind throughout the entire process. And they really provided some valuable
> input and feedback in both the development and testing of Spoken RX. So, of
> all the similar at home audible label readers that patients can use at home,
> this is really the first in-app prescription reader application to be
> developed by a national retail pharmacy. It's very unique because it
> directly connects to CVS's internal dispensing software in a way that can
> read the radio frequency stickers to help eliminate difficulties in
> differentiating and managing medication. Patients will know exactly what
> medication they're holding in their hand and how to take it.
> 
> With Spoken RX patients no longer need to have a separate device and can get
> their medication information anytime, anywhere with a couple taps on their
> smartphone and scanning their pill container. So, Spoken RX really does add
> to our existing braille, audio 

Re: editing videos made on Zoom

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Picking up on this old thread to say that it appears to me the
full-featured version of TwistedWave should be able to do this, in other
words edit .mkv. webm, .mp4, etc. files. At least that's how I read the
documentation for this $99 edition of TwistedWave.

In my copious spare time I'm trying to figure it out, because I'd dearly
love to be able to do this. I'm not very far on my learning curve, but I
suspect anyone with skills in the less featureful versions of
TwistedWave would have no problem.

I'm still trying to figure out how to select a region of audio plus
video and cut, copy, past it; or apply filters to it, etc, or simply
save the region to a separate file.

What I have not yet come to in the documentation is an understanding as
to whether the fade-in and fade-out supported in TwistedWave also
applies to the video, i.e. fade in from black and fade fade out to
black.

hth!

Janina

'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> I'd also like to know this, whether Zoom or some other format such as
> mp4, mkv, or webm.
> 
> It would be helpful if the editing app supported fade-in and fade-out
> over splice points to make the result smoother visually and aurally.
> 
> Best,
> 
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> Lorie McCloud writes:
> > Is there an accessible program that can be used to edit videos made on 
> > Zoom? I’m working with somebody who’s making videos for her youtube channel 
> > but hasn’t learned how to edit and I’m not sure she ever will.
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Re: How much ram and storage should i get?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Fwit, let me explain why I went with the M2 Max. As the Tom's Guide
review points out:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/macbook-pro-14-16-m2-pro-max-2023

Both the Pro and the Max also have faster access to memory. Apple claims
"the updated architecture allows for 200 GB/s of bandwidth on M2 Pro and
up to 400 GB/s on M2 Max."

This one difference will matter, imo, when it's time to load lots of
instruments into memory quickly. I won't know whether I'm right for some
time, as I'm still learning my way around Logic Pro and Native
Instruments. I do believe this can matter especially in realtime
performance settings.

The above datum took me away from considering the somewhat smaller and
lighter M2 Air and locked me into the base model with the M2 Max. That
base model has 32Gb ram and 1Tb SSD. I bumped up the SSD to 2Tb for
$400, which brought my total price (without tax) to just under $3.5K
(USD).

My idea is that I'll know how much these kinds of metrics matter by the
time there's an M3 Max out there. Meanwhile, the machine is more capable
than I am driving Logic and associated apps.

Now, I just need to get my studio arranged better in order to be able to
use my associated gear better. Unfortunately, that's going to take some
time because I actually need to move physically, and I am likely move to
another state. 

Meanwhile, there's also Musescore 4 with all it's advertised
improvements for accessibility to check out, though I expect these specs
are overkill for just scoring.

Best,

Janina

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> > On Feb 12, 2023, at 1:25 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > For the first time in my life, I have not followed this approach. I just
> > obtained my new Macbook M2 14-inch this past week. I went with the base
> > model and upgraded only the SSD to 2Tb, one level above the default.
> > 
> > It still adds up to more than I've paid for a new machine ever before.
> > But, I just couldn't justify going up to 8Tb and 96Gb RAM, which would
> > have taken me up to the $6K price level.
> > 
> > So, we'll see how things go with Logic Pro and Native Instruments. Also
> > the new Musescore is of interest, though I suspect it won't be quite the
> > resource hog the first two can be.
> > 
> > My thinking is that my M2 is really a transitional system. I expect I'll
> > look to trade up to the M3, once the M3 Max units are out, while there's
> > still some value in my M2 Max.
> > 
> > Trade-in value is actually another consideration. I goofed loading up my
> > 2018 era Intel Mac Mini with all the RAM and SSD it could take. Yes, I
> > could probably get more than Apple gave me were I willing to sell here
> > and elsewhere online, but I doubt I'd get much more given the M2 Mini
> > starts at $549. Ah, well. Live and learn.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Dave Carlson writes:
> >> No, Doug. Buy more RAM and storage than you can afford. Sell your car, 
> >> your boat, or your kids to raise the extra. I mean, nothing in life is as 
> >> important as having enough RAM and storage, right? Oh, shoot. I forgot 
> >> about CPU speed. Double whatever you think initially and sell your house 
> >> to make up the difference.
> >> 
> >> Dave Carlson
> >> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
> >> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Feb 6, 2023, at 8:35 PM, doug.law...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> 
> >> Thanks all. 
> >> That's what I was sort of fi

Re: How much ram and storage should i get?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

For the first time in my life, I have not followed this approach. I just
obtained my new Macbook M2 14-inch this past week. I went with the base
model and upgraded only the SSD to 2Tb, one level above the default.

It still adds up to more than I've paid for a new machine ever before.
But, I just couldn't justify going up to 8Tb and 96Gb RAM, which would
have taken me up to the $6K price level.

So, we'll see how things go with Logic Pro and Native Instruments. Also
the new Musescore is of interest, though I suspect it won't be quite the
resource hog the first two can be.

My thinking is that my M2 is really a transitional system. I expect I'll
look to trade up to the M3, once the M3 Max units are out, while there's
still some value in my M2 Max.

Trade-in value is actually another consideration. I goofed loading up my
2018 era Intel Mac Mini with all the RAM and SSD it could take. Yes, I
could probably get more than Apple gave me were I willing to sell here
and elsewhere online, but I doubt I'd get much more given the M2 Mini
starts at $549. Ah, well. Live and learn.

Janina

Dave Carlson writes:
> No, Doug. Buy more RAM and storage than you can afford. Sell your car, your 
> boat, or your kids to raise the extra. I mean, nothing in life is as 
> important as having enough RAM and storage, right? Oh, shoot. I forgot about 
> CPU speed. Double whatever you think initially and sell your house to make up 
> the difference.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 6, 2023, at 8:35 PM, doug.law...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Thanks all. 
> That's what I was sort of figuring. Get as much ram and storage as you can 
> afford. Makes sense too. 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Doug. 
> 
> 
> 
> Douglas Lawlor Email: doug.law...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> > On Feb 6, 2023, at 11:32 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> > 
> > No matter what you think, and no matter what others think, you will always 
> > want more RAM and storage later on. So best advice is to start with  as 
> > much RAM and storage as your budget allows, and then squeeze more juice out 
> > of the carrot and move up to the next higher amount of RAM and storage. You 
> > won’t regret spending the extra, and remember that once you get the 
> > computer you can’t add more after the fact.
> > I’m sitting on a puny 500 G SSD and sorely wish I had purchased at least 1 
> > Tb when I bought it 4 years ago.
> >  
> > Dave Carlson
> > Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Woodworker, Musician
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 6, 2023, at 7:20 PM, doug.law...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > Hello all, 
> > 
> > It's been a long time since I posted here. I'm in the process of purchasing 
> > a new Mac and was wondering how much ram and storage people are going with 
> > these days? I mainly want a machine for web and app testing, some word 
> > processing / text editing, and some single track audio recording. 
> > 
> > Best, 
> > 
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Re: Smart light bulbs?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Dear Donna, Jeff, All:

I have been intentionally buying from several different vendors for
reasons of research relating to developing guidance to the wider
industry through World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) publications where I'm
involved on behalf of accessibility concerns. While it's been a often
frustrating process for me, this has yielded some useful
conclusions--but that's all I think I need to say on that aspect of your
question.

Here's the important point ...

Once whatever devices you install are installed and configured via your
smart device, (phone, Ipad, etc), your accessibility is going to work.
Getting to that point can be a significant challenge.

Whether it's the Apple Home interface, or even Google Home running on
your IOS device, you'll know whether the light is on, and you'll be
easily able to toggle them on and off. The phone endpoint of this
technology works well. Siri, Google Assistant, Alexa, Curtana, any one
of these can also be your friend if you prefer to speak.

The trick is getting things to that point, and that's where the problems
live. You mention the challenge of wiring installations as a concern
over Jeff's strategy. Well the software from the various manufacturers
that you need to use to configure lightbulbs, switches, thermostats,
etc., etc., is all over the map from an accessibility point of view.

Phillips is a good choice for this reason. But you need to plan for yet
another small device sitting on a shelf somewhere, because your phone
needs to talk to it, and then it talks to Phillips Hue bulbs.
Fortunately this is a pretty accessible path by all reports. I didn't go
there personally.

There are lightbulbs that will undoubtedly meet your needs, and there
are dizzying combinations and versions each of which seemingly uses a
different app for initial configuration before you get to the point of
handing off control to the home app.  If you experience a longish power
option, you may need to use that app again to restore the configuration.
This happened to me a couple months ago when our power was out for
around 7-8 hours.


There is good news on the horizon summarized nicely in this article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/moorinsights/2022/01/11/ces-2022-matter-and-thread-win-the-iot-connectivity-wars/

My conclusion, wait and look for devices that say they support Thread
and Matter. That's hardly anything on the shelf today, but this should
change pretty soon. Meanwhile, all the old, not at all accessible app
based direct wifi devices will stay on the shelves until someone buys
them, even if they're a decade olde. You really don't want to go there,
unless you have enough vision left to deal with not very accessible
middleware apps.

You need to identify your needs. You need a certain amount of light? Buy
a bulb and put it in a lamp. This is a small investment to test whether
the 60 watt LED really is less light than the old fashioned 100 watt
incadescent. My guess is that it will work fine--but you need to judge.

Beyond that, I suspect your goal is to be able to control them. For me,
with no usable vision over such things, it has to do with control in my
entryway for delivery people, and with another lamp for lighting Zoom
calls in the evening.

Whatever your scenario, you also need to plan for how you manage
reconfiguration in software because sooner or later you'll need to deal
with that. You may not need to physically screw in the bulb all over
again, but you will sooner or later need to reconfigure the connection
to your very accessible Apple (Google or Microsoft) aggregating app,.

I hope this makes sense! Feel free to write any questions.

PS: My education started with a thermostat. I had a Nest 2 installed.
Last winter, when it lost network connectivity because of a slightly
longish Internet outage in my building, I was very cold. Rebooting the
thermostat required managing an inaccessible touch screen on the device.
Recharging its battery meant taking it off the wall and finding the
USB-A port inside. Not very blind friendly.

Long story short, I chucked the Nest 2 and went to a Nest 3. Now, when I
go down, and that happens a couple times a year though not often, I
simply pull it off the wall, test the pair of AAA batteries that power
it, and replace it onto the wall where it's connected to my HVAC system.
Takes maybe a minute or two and the heat is back on.

Best,

Janina

Jeff Berwick writes:
> Phillips Hue are the best and I have several of them.  Recently, over 
> Christmas, I switched a lot of my smart lighting to in-wall switches.  I went 
> with the Lutron Diva, which is part of the Caseta line.
> 
> If you go with in-wall, you will need to install them.  The nice thing about 
> the in-wall switch is that you have control over your lighting with 
> automation, and the luddite  in your family can still use a rocker switch to 
> turn lights on and off. ;)
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> > On Jan 28, 2023, at 8:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
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> > 

Re: editing videos made on Zoom

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I tried googling for:

+twisted +wave +"video module"

No results.

Raymond Foret Jr writes:
> >From what I understand, Twisted wave has a video editing plugin which allows 
> >you to move through the timeline of a video using just arrow keys.  As you 
> >pass over audio, the video changes correspondingly
> 
>   .  
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user
> 
> > On Dec 27, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> > 
> > Then accessibility does not matter in this case. Quicktime is great for 
> > making videos if it’s just you, but from what it sounds like, this is an 
> > actual Zoom conference. I don’t think it has much in the way of video 
> > editing.
> > 
> >> On Dec 27, 2022, at 20:03, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> >> 
> >> ok. she’s sighted it’s just a matter of getting her to bother to do it.
> >> 
> >>> On Dec 27, 2022, at 7:38 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> She could try iMovie then on the phone or Mac. Like I said though, I 
> >>> don’t think it will give any feedback about the video itself.
> >>> 
>  On Dec 27, 2022, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>  
>  I don’t think the visual is that big of a deal but on the other hand, 
>  she probably doesn’t want to be completely without it either. it’s just 
>  people sitting there talking.
>  
> > On Dec 27, 2022, at 4:49 PM, Herbie Allen  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > If you want to preserve the video, then no. The issue is that if you 
> > can’t see, you will not know what’s happening with the video part. If 
> > you just want audio, that’s a different story.
> > 
> >> On Dec 27, 2022, at 16:16, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Is there an accessible program that can be used to edit videos made on 
> >> Zoom? I’m working with somebody who’s making videos for her youtube 
> >> channel but hasn’t learned how to edit and I’m not sure she ever will.
> >> 
> >> thanks.
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Re: editing videos made on Zoom

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Irfan,

I'm speculating that fade-in/fade-out over perhaps 200 ms would work
reasonably well, even for a person who doesn't see the results of the
video edit.


Extracting the audio and editing it is, as you say, another story. But,
I suspect most people who can see will want to have the video preserved.
So, I'm wondering whether my conjecture (above) has merrit. Would love
to find out! :)

Janina

Herbie Allen writes:
> If you want to preserve the video, then no. The issue is that if you can’t 
> see, you will not know what’s happening with the video part. If you just want 
> audio, that’s a different story.
> 
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> > 
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Re: editing videos made on Zoom

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I'd also like to know this, whether Zoom or some other format such as
mp4, mkv, or webm.

It would be helpful if the editing app supported fade-in and fade-out
over splice points to make the result smoother visually and aurally.

Best,

Janina

Lorie McCloud writes:
> Is there an accessible program that can be used to edit videos made on Zoom? 
> I’m working with somebody who’s making videos for her youtube channel but 
> hasn’t learned how to edit and I’m not sure she ever will.
> 
> thanks.
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Re: Mac Mail

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Jonathan C. Cohn writes:
> ...
>  You know, of course, there is the command one through 9 to jump to favorite 
> mailboxes. ...


I didn't know, but I know I would like.

I also expect I could dig and find where to create the mapping, but a
quick tip on where to go for that would be much appreciated. Thanks in
advance!

Janina

> 
> > On Dec 9, 2022, at 12:29 AM, Agent086b  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > I know my question has been asked in the past but I did not need it then.
> > I have got my new iMac today so am learning the differences between one 
> > built in 2011 and 2021.
> > In Mail  there appears to be another tab or window when in message view. I 
> > can be on the message being sender subject etc. In the past I use VO + J to 
> > jump back to the mailbox list but I now jump into what appears to me to be 
> > the open message. The jump does not go back to the mailbox list. I hav mail 
> > set to show no lines under settings.
> > How can I return mail to what it is was or can’t I?
> > Thanks for any help,.
> > Max.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

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Hi, Donna:

I do recall your problem after upgrading to IOS 16, but only because I
had just started paying attention to IOS related messages on this list.

I just recently got my first iPhone, the 3rd gen Mini SE that still has
a home button. It's such a foreign land still to me that I always turn
back to my Android when I actually need to get something done with a
mobile phone beyond just making a phone call. I'm a ways away from
feeling comfortable enough with IOS to take it, rather my Android, out
with me when I go out and about.

Certainly, there's more learning curve to an entire new environment like
iPhone, but I think we should use some of the same caution about
upgrading. Too often the industry may not have tested sufficiently in
advance of release, and I, myself, don't like being their test subject.
To my mind this technology is here to serve us, and not us here to serve
the technologies.

Oh, I'm very grateful we have it. As a blind person I'm particularly
glad, as I'm sure most of us are. Nevertheless, it's user first in my
mind..

Best,

Janina


'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> That’s funny.  But I saw some of that when I upgraded to IOS 16, and later 
> when I set up my new iPhone 14 Pro.  I don’t know if you remember me posting 
> about my new phone always starting with Samantha, despite my having selected 
> another voice, but somehow that just sorted itself out on its own.  I don’t 
> get it, but I’m not going to complain.
> 
> Your advice to upgrade on a weekend is good.  That way I can at least open 
> all of my most commonly used apps at least once before I’m back at work.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> > On Oct 29, 2022, at 5:09 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Donna:
> > 
> > This is a brief follow up to my cautionary tale. I'm pleased to report
> > that things have settled back to normal on my Mac Mini running Ventura.
> > I've no idea why the strange behavior. I could speculate that some of
> > the last steps of updating might occur when you launch a particular
> > application for the first time under the new environment. For me that
> > would explain what I was seeing yesterday and why things are back to
> > usual today.
> > 
> > Still, I think the moral of the story is the same. Don't do it on a
> > business day when you've no time for surprises. Perhaps look for a
> > couple of relatively free days like a weekend, or perhaps the upcoming
> > Thanksgiving holliday (if you're in the U.S.).
> > 
> > PS: I also got speech back on my misbehaving Airbook. I figured out to
> > launch terminal and start some music playing, which I can do without
> > speech from a terminal window. Thereafter the three-finger double tap
> > works as expected. Go figure!
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Hi Janina,
> >> 
> >> What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade.  
> >> It’s so frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down 
> >> by Apple .  I really don’t think they get that we just need things to 
> >> work.  They can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy 
> >> working person, you don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read 
> >> about all the commands that have changed, and the different ways you have 
> >> to get things done.  I’m not saying change is bad, but more and more I 
> >> feel like I need to take a few days off from life every time there’s an 
> >> Apple upgrade, just so I can read about how things work in the new OS.  I 
> >> don’t have time for that.
> >> Cheers,
> >> Donna
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
> >>> experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
> >>> expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
> >>> systems not working as expected.
> >>> 
> >>> Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
> >>> all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
> >>> read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
> >>> that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
> >>> new features was not timely.
> >>> 
> >>> My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
> >>> upgrading to the latest 

Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

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Hi, Donna:

This is a brief follow up to my cautionary tale. I'm pleased to report
that things have settled back to normal on my Mac Mini running Ventura.
I've no idea why the strange behavior. I could speculate that some of
the last steps of updating might occur when you launch a particular
application for the first time under the new environment. For me that
would explain what I was seeing yesterday and why things are back to
usual today.

Still, I think the moral of the story is the same. Don't do it on a
business day when you've no time for surprises. Perhaps look for a
couple of relatively free days like a weekend, or perhaps the upcoming
Thanksgiving holliday (if you're in the U.S.).

PS: I also got speech back on my misbehaving Airbook. I figured out to
launch terminal and start some music playing, which I can do without
speech from a terminal window. Thereafter the three-finger double tap
works as expected. Go figure!

Best,

Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade.  It’s 
> so frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down by 
> Apple .  I really don’t think they get that we just need things to work.  
> They can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy working 
> person, you don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read about all the 
> commands that have changed, and the different ways you have to get things 
> done.  I’m not saying change is bad, but more and more I feel like I need to 
> take a few days off from life every time there’s an Apple upgrade, just so I 
> can read about how things work in the new OS.  I don’t have time for that.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> > On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
> > experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
> > expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
> > systems not working as expected.
> > 
> > Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
> > all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
> > read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
> > that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
> > new features was not timely.
> > 
> > My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
> > upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
> > accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
> > problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
> > have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
> > this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
> > off, as one can on Windows.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Hi all,
> >> 
> >> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
> >> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good 
> >> experiences with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy 
> >> about upgrade to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but 
> >> based on your experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
> >> TIA,
> >> Donna.
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Re: Should I upgrade to Ventura?

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I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited
experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as
expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of
systems not working as expected.

Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of
all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to
read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link
that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on
new features was not timely.

My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far)
upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again
accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad.  This is a
problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't
have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame
this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad
off, as one can on Windows.

Best,

Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade my 
> Mac during the academic year.  In addition, I did not have good experiences 
> with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially gun-shy about upgrade 
> to Ventura?  I know that everyone’s mileage may vary, but based on your 
> experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not?
> TIA,
> Donna.
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Re: Transferring data to new iMax

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Well, I want to agree with Brad and Jason. It's essentially what I'm
planning to do sometime next spring when the (hopefully) M3 laptops are
released.

I do have some caveats, however.

For instance this next time around I plan to rely a bit more on folders
even for grouping applications. I am slowly, ever so slowly learning to
use Native Instruments. But, I hate the way NI simply installed itself
at /Applications. I plan to push my reinstall of NI into a "Native
Instruments" folder just to help me manage things more efficiently. I'll
probably do something similar with all the Google docs I'll inevitably
also install.

What I'm unsure about is how to manage the sound fonts that I will be
adding. iCloud would be inefficient for those--yet that seems to be
where they ended up on the first go around (on my 2020 era Intel Mini).
One option I'm mulling is a fast external drive with 4, or maybe even
more Tb. That would keep those all important data files available to any
Mac I might use with NI--even the old Intel Mini!

The only remaining issue I see so far is how to bring over the various
specific configurations I have created over the years. Much as I would
like the ease of simply restoring them, I suspect the smarter move is to
simply accept the time commitment required to configure the new machine
app by app starting with some of the fundamentals like Internet
settings, then ssh (and related security).

Frankly I have not always done this, because it does take time. My three
current Linux machines all contain configurations copied across multiple
installs of multiple Linux versions going back a good 20 years. I'm
convinced some of the problems I have on those systems, while not
numerous, are nevertheless hidden somewhere in all those upgrades.

Best,

Janina

Bradford Snyder writes:
> I do the same.
> I believe a clean start is the best way to go.
> I also keep my important documents in iCloud, and once I sign into my Apple 
> ID account, all my stuff is there.
> I also use Dropbox, but that is mostly how I exchange files with various 
> groups with which I collaborate.
> Then, I install any applications I have previously purchased from the Mac 
> AppStore, and do a clean install of other applications I have acquired from 
> other sources. 
> One thing I never do, is set up a new Mac from a Time Machine backup.  I 
> believe doing this creates more problems than it solves.
> And absolutely never set up a new Mac with Apple Silicon, from a Time Machine 
> backup from an Intel Mac.
> Every person I have known to have done this, has rendered their new Mac 
> unusable, and ended up returning the new Mac to Apple.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 27, 2022, at 19:09, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I bought my 14-inch MacBook Pro, I started afresh. I copied over 
> important files, but I installed all of the software new.
> 
> > On Oct 27, 2022, at 18:28, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> > 
> > I would use a service like Dropbox or iCloud and store all your documents 
> > there. You could also use an external drive.
> > 
> >> On Oct 27, 2022, at 15:49, Agent086b  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi all,
> >> I am about to purchase a new iMac. Do I transfer stuff from my old one 
> >> using iTunes or is there a better way?
> >> Thanks as always for any advice.
> >> Max.
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Re: iBooks Newbie Question: How to scroll? Continuous reading?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Sandie. I believe I see that I can write my own notes, but
that's not the kind of notes I'm talking about. I'm talking about author
provided notes that may be explanatory, or may simply be detailed
citations to sources. In print these are usually indicated by a
superscript number at the end of the sentence to which the note applies.
Hearing these read out as though they are part of the primary narrative
text content can become highly disruptive when there are lots of them,
especially lots of the citation kind. Some texts become virtually
unreadable.

In the days of audio cassette books there weren't other options. To
still have no good options, despite our DAISY standards defining useful
behavior requirements 25 years ago is really outrageous, imo.

Best,

Janina

sandie JazminKruse writes:
>  i do  believe that you can associate notes with the container part of the 
> application if that makes sense
> 
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> > Hi All:
> > In iBooks I get the opening line, but cant's seem to scroll the actual 
> > content.
> > 
> > It imagine there's a way to scroll, perhaps even move by word and
> > character. What about continuous reading--which I expect is just some
> > kind of timed auto scrolling? That would be the best in some situations
> > and I expect I'd use it a lot.
> > 
> > Lastly, is there any intelligence in the iBooks user agent for handling
> > notes? Whether footnotes, or in line notes? Sometimes I'd like to see
> > them. Other times, I'd like to auto-skip them; but hearing some kind of
> > audio sonicon to indicate one exists would be very helpful.
> > 
> > We scoped this kind of ebook requirement during the development of
> > ANSI/NISO Z39-86 back in the late 1990s. I'm still not seeing it on any
> > player, and that has me upset. 25 years is a long time to wait for a
> > feature like this that's so important in academic reading.
> > 
> > Thanks for any pointers.
> > 
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iBooks Newbie Question: How to scroll? Continuous reading?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi All:
In iBooks I get the opening line, but cant's seem to scroll the actual content.

It imagine there's a way to scroll, perhaps even move by word and
character. What about continuous reading--which I expect is just some
kind of timed auto scrolling? That would be the best in some situations
and I expect I'd use it a lot.

Lastly, is there any intelligence in the iBooks user agent for handling
notes? Whether footnotes, or in line notes? Sometimes I'd like to see
them. Other times, I'd like to auto-skip them; but hearing some kind of
audio sonicon to indicate one exists would be very helpful.

We scoped this kind of ebook requirement during the development of
ANSI/NISO Z39-86 back in the late 1990s. I'm still not seeing it on any
player, and that has me upset. 25 years is a long time to wait for a
feature like this that's so important in academic reading.

Thanks for any pointers.

Janina

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Re: I need an accessible thermostat

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I have the Nest 3 and have no issues with it. When it goes down, it's
quite easy to pull it off the wall, wait a few minutes and reseat it at
which point it auto restarts.

The Nest 3 runs on two triple AAA batteries, unlike older Nest systems. 

Were I buying today, I would also look at Honeywell. I, personally,
would not want the Ecobee because it doesn't support IPv6. 

Best,

Janina

sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com writes:
> I have to replace my hvac downstairs. I need an accessible thermostat. HVAC
> company recommends the Ecobee. Says they have had less issues with this
> brand over NEST.
> 
> So I see Amazon has the 2022 version on their site.
> 
> For the Ecobee owners, Can you adjust if the wifi goes down? 
> 
> Also, is there an auto setting for heat/cool so once the temp reaches a
> certain degree heat or air will automatically come on? Can you turn off the
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Re: iPhone se22

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The 2022 iPhone SE is available now from t-mobile.com at significant price
discounts, up to 50% off when financed at 0% interest over 24 months,
according to T-Mo.

Mine is arriving this afternoon with a total savings of $215 off the
list price, according to my invoice.
 
'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
> 
> On 10/9/22 20:20, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> > Does the iPhone se22 have a faster processor than the iPhonese20? are there 
> > other significant differences?
> 
> Yes, it has a newer processor. Note also that the 2022 edition can
> reportedly be upgraded to iOS 16, whereas the 2020 version cannot.
> 
> There are other differences. See
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/03/08/compared-new-2022-iphone-se-vs-2020-iphone-se
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Re: Bluetooth Headphones

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Just to clarify from personal experience ...

Connecting isn't enough. By way of example, my Bose 700 connect both to
my Mac Mini and my Sony Android phone. Furthermore, listening generally
works well.

The problems start when I try to speak. From then on the performance is
unusable. People on my teleconference don't understand what I'm saying,
and subsequent audio that I'm hearing can become garbled. This is
frustrating, because these are expensive headphones. What's more,
they're my second pair that's not worked out along similar behaviors. I
also have a Sony pair where the microphone yielded very unsatisfactory
results.

In my home office I'm relying on a wired Jabra USB (single earpiece
headset. I'll be taking this device on the road to a weeklong conference
in a few weeks, where many participants will be virtual, though many
will also be present in person. But this is USB, not bluetooth.

I do have a pair of Jabra T85 buds that do seem to work pretty well, but
I use them mainly in situations like taking the train between Washington
and New York.

Best,

Janina

'E.T.' via MacVisionaries writes:
>Just ow, I tested with the iPhone and iPad. The iPhone connected right
> off. The iPad needed to be connected and still, I could not reliably switch
> between though the iPhone always connected when I unlocked it. The Mac
> refused to connect.
> 
>Tried last night with the Samsung TV and Apple TV, Samsung refused but I
> connected the ATV manually.
> 
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> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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> On 8/28/2022 5:33 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > My experience is that having paired a bluetooth headset to multiple
> > devices, it will automatically connect to all the devices that are up
> > and within range when the headset is turned on.
> > 
> > My experience further is that issues tend to arise when a headset is
> > paired with devices from disparate operating environments, e.g. both a
> > Mac and an Android device seem to introduce problems for my devices.
> > Consequently, I'm trying to avoid using the same bt headset across OS.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > > 
> > > On 27/8/22 09:47, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> > > >     I have tried to pair it with the Samsung but was unsuccessful. I 
> > > > will
> > > > try again shortly. What I am curious about is, are there other BY
> > > > headphones that makes it easier to easily switch to other connected
> > > > devices?
> > > 
> > > Connecting to multiple devices and switching between them appropriately
> > > seems to be a problem for Bluetooth generally. Find out how many devices
> > > your headphones support concurrently. Mine support two only.
> > > 
> > > I have Bose noise cancelling headphones, and switching them between
> > > different connected devices has always been problematic. It's supposed to
> > > happen automatically
> > > 
> > > Also, if you're using Bluetooth headphones with a screen reader, latency 
> > > can
> > > slow down your work. Apple devices seem somewhat better in this respect,
> > > perhaps due to their support for the AAC audio codec via Bluetooth.
> > > Microsoft Windows is considerably worse, at least for my headphones. Linux
> > > performs remarkably well though (but there's still the problem of 
> > > connecting
> > > multiple devices, as mentioned).
> > > 
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Re: Bluetooth Headphones

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My experience is that having paired a bluetooth headset to multiple
devices, it will automatically connect to all the devices that are up
and within range when the headset is turned on.

My experience further is that issues tend to arise when a headset is
paired with devices from disparate operating environments, e.g. both a
Mac and an Android device seem to introduce problems for my devices.
Consequently, I'm trying to avoid using the same bt headset across OS.

Best,

Janina

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> 
> On 27/8/22 09:47, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> >    I have tried to pair it with the Samsung but was unsuccessful. I will
> > try again shortly. What I am curious about is, are there other BY
> > headphones that makes it easier to easily switch to other connected
> > devices?
> 
> Connecting to multiple devices and switching between them appropriately
> seems to be a problem for Bluetooth generally. Find out how many devices
> your headphones support concurrently. Mine support two only.
> 
> I have Bose noise cancelling headphones, and switching them between
> different connected devices has always been problematic. It's supposed to
> happen automatically
> 
> Also, if you're using Bluetooth headphones with a screen reader, latency can
> slow down your work. Apple devices seem somewhat better in this respect,
> perhaps due to their support for the AAC audio codec via Bluetooth.
> Microsoft Windows is considerably worse, at least for my headphones. Linux
> performs remarkably well though (but there's still the problem of connecting
> multiple devices, as mentioned).
> 
> So, be aware of latency issues if you plan to use such headphones with
> VoiceOver.
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Re: Is Apple BT keyboard multi-device capable?

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Thanks, Brad.

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> The Apple magic Bluetooth keyboard is not capable of pairing with more than 
> one device at a time. If it is paired with your Mac mini, and you wish to use 
> it with your android phone, you will need to pair it with the android phone. 
> Then, when you want to use it again with your Mac mini, you will need to pair 
> it again with the Mac mini. 
> If you want a Bluetooth keyboard that is capable of pairing with more than 
> one device at a time, I would suggest you take a look at the logitech K380 
> keyboard. This keyboard is capable of pairing with three different devices, 
> and it can switch between this devices via a keyboard command on the keyboard.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Aug 27, 2022, at 10:24, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear All:
> 
> I have noticed that my magic BT keyboard will happily connect to my
> Linux desktop over USB, and to my Android Phone over bluetooth.
> 
> I would be inclined to allow it access to my Android phone, but only if
> I can also get to my Mac Mini. Thus the question: Is this keyboard
> multi-device capable? And, if so, how does one switch among devices?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Janina
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Is Apple BT keyboard multi-device capable?

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Dear All:

I have noticed that my magic BT keyboard will happily connect to my
Linux desktop over USB, and to my Android Phone over bluetooth.

I would be inclined to allow it access to my Android phone, but only if
I can also get to my Mac Mini. Thus the question: Is this keyboard
multi-device capable? And, if so, how does one switch among devices?

TIA,

Janina

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Re: DocuSign

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I successfully used it a couple months ago.

There was some kind of screen reader mode that allowed me to authorize
an electronic signature. Things were pretty straight forward from that
point.

Best,

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Re: Macbook Air M2

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Be aware that the M2 Pro has a touchbar instead of actual function keys.
I wouldn't care for that myself.

Janina

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> has anyone Macbook Air M2 or do you plan buy it?
> 
> I choose between Macbook Air M2 or Macbook Pro 14“ 2021.
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Re: Periodic Beep Is Back After Upgrade

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Yes, forgot about pressing that combination twice in quick order.

There was a legacy extension dialog. That reminds me that I've heard
messages previously following upgrades, about some Oracle support due to
be removed.

Wonder whether this might be leftover from my playing around with
Virtual Box? I can't think of anything else I've installed that was
using Oracle anything.

At least the annoyance is gone! That's paramount, so thanks for that.

Janina

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> Try pressing VO + F1 twice quickly to open the application windows menu,
> and see if there are some system dialogs up.
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> On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 11:09 AM 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
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> > I updated my Intel Mac Mini to the latest Monterey this morning. I am
> > getting that periodic beep-chime and I can't seem to get rid of it.
> >
> > VO+N tells me no notifications; and on a second press tells me no
> > announcements.
> >
> > I'm flummoxed (and annoyed) yet again. Seems like some settings aren't
> > honored on upgrades, as this was not the case pre upgrade.
> >
> > All suggestions much appreciated!
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Periodic Beep Is Back After Upgrade

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I updated my Intel Mac Mini to the latest Monterey this morning. I am
getting that periodic beep-chime and I can't seem to get rid of it.

VO+N tells me no notifications; and on a second press tells me no
announcements.

I'm flummoxed (and annoyed) yet again. Seems like some settings aren't
honored on upgrades, as this was not the case pre upgrade.

All suggestions much appreciated!

Janina

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Re: Voice Over Enabled Muse Score 4 Coming

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I just tried again in a couple browsers. I'm able to get there with this
link, I believe the same as in the email below, though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bRfouJa6oA

There's a Musescore Developer YouTube Channel as well here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/MuseScore

This last link shows some additional videos which are also playing for
me. Hope you have better luck with one of them soon!

Best,

Janina


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> Hi Janina. Thanks for your email you forwarded about MuseScore. I am 
> currently using this on a  Windows PC with NVDA and it’s a great program!  
> That’s very cool the next version will  have  support for VoiceOver on the 
> Mac. I tried to  watch the video on YouTube, but I got a message saying this 
> video is unavailable. Is there another  link for it?
> Thanks.
> Katie
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> > On May 26, 2022, at 7:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> > Dear All:
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> > The following announcement will likely be of interest to people
> > interested in creating and/or editing musical scores.
> > 
> > I'm quoting an announcement from Sarah Morley of the DAISY Braille Music
> > Project below.
> > 
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> > MuseScore has published a tutorial video titled Screen Reader Accessibility=
> > in MuseScore 3
> > 
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> > 
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> > eatures due to arrive in the upcoming release of MuseScore 4, including 
> > support for VoiceOver on macOS, and new capabilities for music braille that 
> > are being developed in partnership with the DAISY Consortium and Sao Mai 
> > Center for the Blind.
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Re: Finale or other music notation software with voiceover?

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Karen:

I don't think you'd be doing either Finale or Sibelius on a Mac, with or
without accessibility requirements. Are those applications even
available for Macintosh?

Suggest you look at the announcement from the DAISY Braille Music
Project I just excerpted to this list re Musescore.

Best,

Janina

Karen Lewellen writes:
> Hi folks,
> Granted i called makemusic.com, the company behind finale today to ask.
> still, my goal involves using my voice for music composing, with my
> wondering if finale, or another music notation program has a good voiceover
> track record?
> In theory I might incorporate the daw, how is garage band these days?
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Voice Over Enabled Muse Score 4 Coming

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Dear All:

The following announcement will likely be of interest to people
interested in creating and/or editing musical scores.

I'm quoting an announcement from Sarah Morley of the DAISY Braille Music
Project below.



MuseScore has published a tutorial video titled Screen Reader Accessibility=
 in MuseScore 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6bRfouJa6oA

The video demonstrates use of core MuseScore features with NVDA, like score=
 creation, navigation, and note input. It also mentions some exciting new f=
eatures due to arrive in the upcoming release of MuseScore 4, including support 
for VoiceOver on macOS, and new capabilities for music braille that are being 
developed in partnership with the DAISY Consortium and Sao Mai Center for the 
Blind.

The video description contains a list of topics explored as well as links to 
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Re: Two Mac Questions, please

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I would be content to stay muted and simply prace the spacebar when I
need to speak in many Zoom calls I participate on. Unfortunately, that
also triggers a flurry of speech from VO, so I first have to silence VO
before using the spacebar.

This is my top peeve with VO and Zoom. I wish it were possible to use
the spacebar without triggering all that speech into the teleconference.


Best,

Janina

'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> There are settings under Accessibility after pressing cmd-comma that you can 
> configure to allow/disallow various announcements, but if you are navigating 
> with VO while in the Zoom session, the others in the Zoom meet will hear your 
> VO speech.
> 
> I, like others, either use headphones so as not to bother others, mute VO or 
> VO speech, mute my mic when not needed, or just not use VO much while in the 
> meeting.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> > On May 16, 2022, at 03:33, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> > 
> > There is an issue with zoom where others in the call can here vo depending 
> > on the set up and it is hard to get rid of it - I tend to mute vo during 
> > the meeting as much as possible or if I need to use vo to check chat etc I 
> > just mute my mike and only I hear vo then 
> > 
> >> On 15 May 2022, at 03:14, Herbie Allen  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> In regard to Zoom, I believe you are referring to the announcement voice? 
> >> I think that one depends on your default soundcard. 
> >> 
> >>> On May 14, 2022, at 06:53, Kliph  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> the VO command to read to end of document is VO and the letter A, as for 
> >>> your zoom issue, we’d need to know a bit more about your setup. Are you 
> >>> using a headset, and external mic, where do you want the audio or VO to 
> >>> come out of?
> >>> 
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> >>>  to receive updated resources
> >>> Let’s master editing audio together!
> >>> 
>  On May 13, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Yolanda Thompson   > wrote:
>  
>  When hosting a zoom meeting on the mac, VO comes through the
>  microphone. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?
>  Second, If I want to read from cursor to end of document, what is the
>  keyboard command to do so?
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Re: Does anyone use Chromecast?

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Hi, Donna:

Yes, I have three pairs of the old Google Max speakers throughout my
apartment. I love casting to them because I can then wander around my
apartment and not miss anything.

BTW: I understand the new Book Share app will have the ability to cast,
and I can't wait. That will be so cool!

Best,

Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Wow, Janina, that’s very cool!  I usually want less Google in my life, not 
> more, so I had never noticed that.  Thank you!
> Donna
> 
> 
> > On Apr 11, 2022, at 6:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> > There's the Google Chrome browser, if you need a browser to access
> > content you will then cast to a device in your room. The Cast options
> > are a submenu under View under VO+m.
> > 
> > I believe there's a Chrome Cast extension for Safari as well, but I
> > haven't any direct experience of that one.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
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> > 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
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> >> The hotel I’m staying in has cut Chromecast, and if we want to watch 
> >> movies, that is what we have to use. Anyone using Chromecast from their 
> >> phone? What app do you use? Do you use Google homeg hi all,
> >> 
> >> The hotel we are staying in has Chromecast, and we have to use that if we 
> >> want to watch movies. Anyone currently using it from their iPhone? If yes, 
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OT: Paying Accessibly for Taxi Rides in New York

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, All:

Please pardon what's probably the OT, but I am going to be in Manhattan
starting Thursday, and I expect to use taxis quite a bit, along with
perhaps an Uber or Lift or two.

No concerns about Uber, but several about how to use the accessible
payment kiosk mounted in front of the right side passenger seat in the
back of New York cabs. I haven't been able to find a good howto to read
in advance, and being in the moment is often fraught with distractions.

So, if anyone can give me a quick pointer or two about how to use a
credit card, or even my phone (perhaps over NFC?), I'd be grateful. For
instance, where and how does one insert one's credit card? Is it a swipe
kind of thing? Or an insert and wait for the beep beep?

Any pointers greatly appreciated!

Janina

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Re: Does anyone use Chromecast?

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There's the Google Chrome browser, if you need a browser to access
content you will then cast to a device in your room. The Cast options
are a submenu under View under VO+m.

I believe there's a Chrome Cast extension for Safari as well, but I
haven't any direct experience of that one.

Best,

Janina

'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> The hotel I’m staying in has cut Chromecast, and if we want to watch movies, 
> that is what we have to use. Anyone using Chromecast from their phone? What 
> app do you use? Do you use Google homeg hi all,
> 
> The hotel we are staying in has Chromecast, and we have to use that if we 
> want to watch movies. Anyone currently using it from their iPhone? If yes, 
> what app are you using? I see Google home in the App Store, but that kind of 
> seems like overkill, since all we wanna do is watch movies on TV at night. 
> Appreciate any input, suggestions, directions, etc. 
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Re: Location of Audio Book Files

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Appreciate this info as well, and will keep this email because, yet
again, we have an obscure location for files users have good reasons to
want to manage directly.

Have I ranted recently over things I have in GUI interfaces? 

'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> They can be found at this location:
> 
> >> /Users//Library/Containers/com.apple.BKAgentService/Data/Documents/iBooks/Books/Audiobooks
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> > On Mar 19, 2022, at 20:19, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> > 
> > Herbie,
> > 
> > This is a Monterey OS, so there is no iTunes. Only the Book app.
> > 
> > Dave Carlson
> > Engineer, Farfar, Woodworker, Pioneer, and Oregonian
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Re: Setting Default Install Location

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No. I have no issue with .dmg distributions. I simply mount the dmg file
and rsync over to /Applications.

My last experience of this came Monday when I had to install Microsoft
Teams from a link I received in email just as the meeting was starting.
I didn't have time to do anything but defaults.

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> Are you first putting the app in the Apps folder before running setup?
> 
> > On Feb 9, 2022, at 01:34, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
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> > Dear All:
> > 
> > I've noticed my Mac Mini has begun defaulting to using my external
> > Thunderbolt storage drive whenever I install something new. This is most
> > definitely not my preference.
> > 
> > Anyone able to help me reset to more standard locations? I'd most
> > grateful.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
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Setting Default Install Location

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Dear All:

I've noticed my Mac Mini has begun defaulting to using my external
Thunderbolt storage drive whenever I install something new. This is most
definitely not my preference.

Anyone able to help me reset to more standard locations? I'd most
grateful.

Best,

Janina

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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

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I'm thinking of frankly asking some of the senior Apple accessibility
people I know through our joint work in W3C. I'm inclined to wait for
the right moment though.

Thanks for the plist pointers.

Best,

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Well, I tried and here were my results.
> I expect it is in one of the plist files under VoiceOVer4, but I was not able 
> to find it.
> 
> ls ~/Library/preferences/com.apple.VoiceOver4 
> will provide a bunch of  plists for VoiceOver 
> 
> I had found that:
> defaults read com.apple.VoiceOver4/default SCRCUserDefaultsMuteVoiceOver
> gives the result 1
> 
> and was the only default in that file with the characters "mute" in it.
> So I tried:
> defaults write  com.apple.VoiceOver4/default SCRCUserDefaultsMuteVoiceOver 
> -bool no
> 
> while voiceover was off, but this did not mute VOiceOver for me, so I did not 
> provide any CLI options for you, but perhaps you can mute/unmute and check 
> the dates of the files in 
> ~/Library/preferences and find a real source of what mutes.
> Of course, messing with the preferences directory is not generally 
> recommended.
> 
>       Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jan 27, 2022, at 17:15, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > It took awhile for me to get this done because it turned out I needed to
> > replace the rechargable battery in my Orbit Reader.
> > 
> > That replacement battery arrived today, got inserted into the Orbit,
> > connected to the Macbook, and this Voice Over user is back in business
> > thanks to Cord-M over USB.
> > 
> > Many thanks.
> > 
> > PS: I did call Apple Accessibility Support. They weren't all that
> > helpful, though they tried. They had me reinstall the entire OS which
> > did not fix the issue. That tells me we should be able to fix this
> > problem over ssh, because the setting is obviously hiding in some
> > configuration file, probably some plist file somewhere in user space. If
> > reinstalling the OS doesn't clear the issue, I can't imagine what other
> > explanation there could be.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Devin Prater writes:
> >> Plug it in, and VO will connect to it automatically.
> >> Devin Prater
> >> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 12:46 PM 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> >> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Thanks, Jonathan. I do have an Orbit Reader available, though I don't
> >>> recall whether I ever associated it with my Mac Air. Nevertheless, this
> >>> gives me a path forward, even if I need to arrange for sighted
> >>> assistance. Right now the Orbit is charging, indicating how little I use
> >>> it I'm sorry to say.
> >>> 
> >>> Best,
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>> if you use a braille display this can be toggled with the M chord. If
> >>> not, the only way I know to toggle without changing default voiceover
> >>> settings is with the trackpad commander and three finger double tap.
> >>>> 
> >>>>      Best wishes,
> >>>> 
> >>>> Jonathan Cohn
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Jan 16, 2022, at 12:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thanks, Ali. It's definitely not a sound muting problem, as VO+F5 gives
> >>>>> me speech for Voiceover Off, then a second time Voiceover On, speech
> >>>>> off.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Herbie Allen writes:
> >>>>>> I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your
> >>> soundcard.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> >>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the
> >>> trackpad.
> >>>>>>> So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
> >>>>>

Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

It took awhile for me to get this done because it turned out I needed to
replace the rechargable battery in my Orbit Reader.

That replacement battery arrived today, got inserted into the Orbit,
connected to the Macbook, and this Voice Over user is back in business
thanks to Cord-M over USB.

Many thanks.

PS: I did call Apple Accessibility Support. They weren't all that
helpful, though they tried. They had me reinstall the entire OS which
did not fix the issue. That tells me we should be able to fix this
problem over ssh, because the setting is obviously hiding in some
configuration file, probably some plist file somewhere in user space. If
reinstalling the OS doesn't clear the issue, I can't imagine what other
explanation there could be.

Best,

Janina

Devin Prater writes:
> Plug it in, and VO will connect to it automatically.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 12:46 PM 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks, Jonathan. I do have an Orbit Reader available, though I don't
> > recall whether I ever associated it with my Mac Air. Nevertheless, this
> > gives me a path forward, even if I need to arrange for sighted
> > assistance. Right now the Orbit is charging, indicating how little I use
> > it I'm sorry to say.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> > > Hello,
> > > if you use a braille display this can be toggled with the M chord. If
> > not, the only way I know to toggle without changing default voiceover
> > settings is with the trackpad commander and three finger double tap.
> > >
> > >   Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Jonathan Cohn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jan 16, 2022, at 12:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Ali. It's definitely not a sound muting problem, as VO+F5 gives
> > > > me speech for Voiceover Off, then a second time Voiceover On, speech
> > > > off.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Herbie Allen writes:
> > > >> I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your
> > soundcard.
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the
> > trackpad.
> > > >>> So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Best,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Janina
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
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Re: Request for help in deciding between Intel based and and one MacBook Pro

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Unless you want to also run Windows on your Mac, i.e. in a virtual
machine, I'd definitely go for some version of the M1 currently on
offer. Or, wait to see what's released in a few months--which is what
I'm doing myself.

My current laptop is an 11 inch model Mac Air. I doubt Apple will again
release a model that small, but until we see what they release, we won't
know for sure. My personal preference in laptops, since I can't use the
screen at all, is the smallest model physically, loaded up with as much
RAM as it will support, and preferably also as much disk as it will
support.

Best,

Janina

Mike Arrigo writes:
> I have never used an M1 mac but I know Apple is phasing out the Intel 
> processors so if they got an Intel mac they would be buying in to a 
> technology that Apple is phasing out.
> 
> > On Jan 20, 2022, at 12:15 PM, muhammad babar Shahzad 
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> > Hello friends,
> > As per the subject line, I request you to kindly let me know whether my 
> > friend who is going to transition from Windows to Mac should  acquire an 
> > Intel based machine or the M1? They need to use it for university studies. 
> > I would highly appreciate if anyone could kindly share their experience of 
> > transitioning from Windows to Mac for university studies.
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Jonathan. I do have an Orbit Reader available, though I don't
recall whether I ever associated it with my Mac Air. Nevertheless, this
gives me a path forward, even if I need to arrange for sighted
assistance. Right now the Orbit is charging, indicating how little I use
it I'm sorry to say.

Best,

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Hello,
> if you use a braille display this can be toggled with the M chord. If not, 
> the only way I know to toggle without changing default voiceover settings is 
> with the trackpad commander and three finger double tap.
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jan 16, 2022, at 12:26, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks, Ali. It's definitely not a sound muting problem, as VO+F5 gives
> > me speech for Voiceover Off, then a second time Voiceover On, speech
> > off.
> > 
> > 
> > Herbie Allen writes:
> >> I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your 
> >> soundcard.
> >> 
> >>> On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
> >>> So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
> >>> 
> >>> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
> >>> 
> >>> Best,
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Tim. I do that and get no feedback of any kind. I've tried
exactly this quite a few times.


'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hi,
> 
> If Trackpad Commander is off, then doing the three finger double-tap will do 
> nothing.  Prior to doing the three finger double-tap, hold down the VO keys 
> and twist two fingers clockwise on the trackpad to make sure Trackpad 
> Commander is actually enabled.
> 
> Later…
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> > On Jan 16, 2022, at 08:37, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> > 
> > I would also suggest that you check your system volume level.
> > 
> > - Brad -
> > 
> > On Jan 16, 2022, at 08:36, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> > 
> > I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your 
> > soundcard.
> > 
> >> On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
> >> So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
> >> 
> >> Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
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> >> 
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Re: Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Ali. It's definitely not a sound muting problem, as VO+F5 gives
me speech for Voiceover Off, then a second time Voiceover On, speech
off.


Herbie Allen writes:
> I would check sound settings and make sure you haven’t muted your soundcard.
> 
> > On Jan 15, 2022, at 20:55, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
> > So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.
> > 
> > Is there any way to control this in the terminal?
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
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Voiceover On, Speech Off -- Yet Again

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I'm getting no response from a three-finger double tap on the trackpad.
So, I'm unsure how I turned speech off in the first instance.

Is there any way to control this in the terminal?

Best,

Janina

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.ics invites and Google Calendar

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When someone sends me a calendar invite via a .ics file, what's my
easiest path to add that data into Google Calendar?

Frankly, what's the easiest way to see the date and time proposed for
the meeting while in Mail?

Thanks for all suggestions.

Janina

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Re: Auto Voice Over at Login

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I think this is what first tripped me up. I remember the old approach,
but I'm now on Big Sur.

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> That would be correct.
> This changed a few versions ago, but I can’t remember exactly with which 
> version.  If you say it is different in Mojave, then the changed happened 
> with Catalina.  Prior to the change, there was a checkbox to enable VoiceOver 
> in the Start Up Options section of Users & Groups, within System Preferences.
> 
> Since Janina said she was using Big Sur 11.5.2, the instructions I gave are 
> correct for the version she is running.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Sep 3, 2021, at 21:06, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> This does not appear to be consistent with Mojave. I suspect this is for 
> Catalina or Big Sur?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Sep 3, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> Sorry Greg, that won’t do it.
> 
> To enable VoiceOver at the log on screen, one needs to do the following:
> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
> 2.  In the Users, groups and login options table, select Login options.
> 3.  Select the Lock to Make Changes, and enter the Admin password for your 
> machine.
> 4.  Navigate to the Accessibility Options… button, and press VO + Spacebar to 
> open.
> 5.  Select VoiceOver from the table, and then select Apply, to save changes 
> and exit the dialog.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Sep 3, 2021, at 14:49, Greg Wocher  <mailto:gtwoc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> It is under the accessibility settings in system preferences.  There is a 
> table in these settings with different categories and one of them is 
> VoiceOver. In the VoiceOver settings here there is a checkbox for enabling 
> VoiceOver. I think this is the one you want.
> 
> Greg WOcher
> 
> 
> > On Sep 3, 2021, at 3:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > For some silly reason I can no longer recall I did not choose to have
> > Voice Over start automatically when I boot my Mac Mini. So, I'm forever
> > doing Command F5 before logging in. It's getting old, but I'm also not
> > finding where to undo this choice and choose to have Voice Over
> > auto-enabled on startup for the login.
> > 
> > I'm poking around in Users and Groups but not finding this as a login
> > option. Seems I'm missing something obvious, but I am stumped.
> > 
> > This is Big Sur 11.15.2. Any help gratefully accepted.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Kliph writes:
> >> You have a lot of great questions, and no there is no audio highjack app 
> >> for the iPad, but there are programs that will record audio.  Probably not 
> >> the way you want to though.  I have a audio editing group that discusses 
> >> all the ways editing audio can be done, I will put that info below.  As 
> >> for the MacBook Air questions, I do a lot of free consultations and even 
> >> partner with a few others for the stuff I don’t know.  So if you haven’t 
> >> gotten your answer, send me an email off list.
> >> Are you good at editing audio or want to learn how? Want to explore all 
> >> the options on how to make your recordings for podcasts or other files 
> >> sound good? Then audio editing101 is the group for you, join here
> >> audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io 
> >> <mailto:audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io>
> >> <mailto:audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io 
> >> <mailto:audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io>>Even explore my Tutorials 
> >> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0JbtMF46Bawfj0O02aTSAcJEw#editing_audio_tutorials
> >>  
> >> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0JbtMF46Bawfj0O02aTSAcJEw#editing_audio_tutorials>>
> >>  and SoundEffects Folder 
> >> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/063P7bU9RkC56Vdw_V5QaMf1Q#Ring_tone_library
> >>  
> >> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/063P7bU9RkC56Vdw_V5QaMf1Q#Ring_tone_library>>
> >>  to receive updated resources
> >> Let’s master editing audio together!
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 4:51 AM, Frank Ventura 
> >>>  >>> <mailto:frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Terri, no I do not think there is an equivalent to Audio Hijack for 
> >>> the iPad. You would probably have to run the audio out of the iPad and 
> >>> then ba

Re: Auto Voice Over at Login

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yep, I had myself confused between steps 2 and 4.

All sorted now. Many thanks!

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> Sorry Greg, that won’t do it.
> 
> To enable VoiceOver at the log on screen, one needs to do the following:
> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
> 2.  In the Users, groups and login options table, select Login options.
> 3.  Select the Lock to Make Changes, and enter the Admin password for your 
> machine.
> 4.  Navigate to the Accessibility Options… button, and press VO + Spacebar to 
> open.
> 5.  Select VoiceOver from the table, and then select Apply, to save changes 
> and exit the dialog.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Sep 3, 2021, at 14:49, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> It is under the accessibility settings in system preferences.  There is a 
> table in these settings with different categories and one of them is 
> VoiceOver. In the VoiceOver settings here there is a checkbox for enabling 
> VoiceOver. I think this is the one you want.
> 
> Greg WOcher
> 
> 
> > On Sep 3, 2021, at 3:07 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > For some silly reason I can no longer recall I did not choose to have
> > Voice Over start automatically when I boot my Mac Mini. So, I'm forever
> > doing Command F5 before logging in. It's getting old, but I'm also not
> > finding where to undo this choice and choose to have Voice Over
> > auto-enabled on startup for the login.
> > 
> > I'm poking around in Users and Groups but not finding this as a login
> > option. Seems I'm missing something obvious, but I am stumped.
> > 
> > This is Big Sur 11.15.2. Any help gratefully accepted.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Kliph writes:
> >> You have a lot of great questions, and no there is no audio highjack app 
> >> for the iPad, but there are programs that will record audio.  Probably not 
> >> the way you want to though.  I have a audio editing group that discusses 
> >> all the ways editing audio can be done, I will put that info below.  As 
> >> for the MacBook Air questions, I do a lot of free consultations and even 
> >> partner with a few others for the stuff I don’t know.  So if you haven’t 
> >> gotten your answer, send me an email off list.
> >> Are you good at editing audio or want to learn how? Want to explore all 
> >> the options on how to make your recordings for podcasts or other files 
> >> sound good? Then audio editing101 is the group for you, join here
> >> audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io
> >> <mailto:audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io>Even explore my Tutorials 
> >> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0JbtMF46Bawfj0O02aTSAcJEw#editing_audio_tutorials>
> >>  and SoundEffects Folder 
> >> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/063P7bU9RkC56Vdw_V5QaMf1Q#Ring_tone_library>
> >>  to receive updated resources
> >> Let’s master editing audio together!
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 4:51 AM, Frank Ventura 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Terri, no I do not think there is an equivalent to Audio Hijack for 
> >>> the iPad. You would probably have to run the audio out of the iPad and 
> >>> then back in. That really isn’t practical. I think the Macintosh solution 
> >>> is a good idea. Do you need portability or can you make do with a Mac 
> >>> mini and a wireless keyboard? Do you have a budget for this project? 
> >>> Audio recordings can eat up a great deal of disk space quickly. A 1TB or 
> >>> larger hard drive is a good idea.
> >>> Frank Ventura
> >>> 
> >>>> On Aug 22, 2021, at 12:39 AM, Terri Stimmel 
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> First of all, I would like to say thank you to all of you who took the 
> >>>> time to try and help me out. I really appreciate all the great 
> >>>> information, and thoughts. It has really helped me to understand things, 
> >>>> when it comes to Macbooks.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Karen asked if I would like to explain my goals. I appreciate this, 
> >>>> because I think that could be helpful. I think it might help me figure 
> >>>> out what exactly I might need.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> So my main goal is to be able to purchase a device, such as a Mac, or an 
> >>>> iPad, so 

Auto Voice Over at Login

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

For some silly reason I can no longer recall I did not choose to have
Voice Over start automatically when I boot my Mac Mini. So, I'm forever
doing Command F5 before logging in. It's getting old, but I'm also not
finding where to undo this choice and choose to have Voice Over
auto-enabled on startup for the login.

I'm poking around in Users and Groups but not finding this as a login
option. Seems I'm missing something obvious, but I am stumped.

This is Big Sur 11.15.2. Any help gratefully accepted.

Janina

Kliph writes:
> You have a lot of great questions, and no there is no audio highjack app for 
> the iPad, but there are programs that will record audio.  Probably not the 
> way you want to though.  I have a audio editing group that discusses all the 
> ways editing audio can be done, I will put that info below.  As for the 
> MacBook Air questions, I do a lot of free consultations and even partner with 
> a few others for the stuff I don’t know.  So if you haven’t gotten your 
> answer, send me an email off list.
> Are you good at editing audio or want to learn how? Want to explore all the 
> options on how to make your recordings for podcasts or other files sound 
> good? Then audio editing101 is the group for you, join here
> audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io
>  Even explore my Tutorials 
> 
>  and SoundEffects Folder 
> 
>  to receive updated resources
> Let’s master editing audio together!
> 
> 
> > On Aug 22, 2021, at 4:51 AM, Frank Ventura 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Terri, no I do not think there is an equivalent to Audio Hijack for the 
> > iPad. You would probably have to run the audio out of the iPad and then 
> > back in. That really isn’t practical. I think the Macintosh solution is a 
> > good idea. Do you need portability or can you make do with a Mac mini and a 
> > wireless keyboard? Do you have a budget for this project? Audio recordings 
> > can eat up a great deal of disk space quickly. A 1TB or larger hard drive 
> > is a good idea.
> > Frank Ventura
> > 
> >> On Aug 22, 2021, at 12:39 AM, Terri Stimmel  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello everyone,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> First of all, I would like to say thank you to all of you who took the 
> >> time to try and help me out. I really appreciate all the great 
> >> information, and thoughts. It has really helped me to understand things, 
> >> when it comes to Macbooks.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Karen asked if I would like to explain my goals. I appreciate this, 
> >> because I think that could be helpful. I think it might help me figure out 
> >> what exactly I might need.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> So my main goal is to be able to purchase a device, such as a Mac, or an 
> >> iPad, so that I can record audio. I am huge into collecting audio 
> >> described content. We have Spectrum cable. Some of the channels that carry 
> >> audio described content that I would like to capture, don't carry the 
> >> audio description over my cable box.
> >> 
> >> However, I can get it, using the Spectrum App.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> So I would like to be able to use a program like audio hijack, and capture 
> >> the streaming audio. I want to go to the Spectrum site, and stream the 
> >> channel I want, and capture the audio description.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> That is the main thing I am hoping to do. I could use my windows laptop. 
> >> But in order to do this, I would have to go through many steps to make 
> >> this happen. Including purchasing a sound card.
> >> 
> >> But then I would not be able to easily access my laptop for other things. 
> >> Such as checking mail, and all the other things that I do.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> These are my thoughts. What do you all think?
> >> 
> >> I would consider purchasing an iPad. I am open to doing this. But when I 
> >> had one years ago, the main thing I didn't care for, was how the screen 
> >> would sometimes be in colomns. There didn't seem a way to make this 
> >> optional. Or stop it from happening. I found this to be rather 
> >> frustrating, and chalenging for me.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> But also, does the audio hijack program even work on an iPad?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thank you, and I look forward to hearing what you all might have to say.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Terri
> >> 
> >> On 8/21/2021 2:53 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> >>> Hi Terri,
> >>> May I ask how you define doing lots of audio recording?
> >>> It seems important here, because you will want the hardware to support 
> >>> your needs.
> >>> The programs you use have their own requirements.  If you  use external 
> >>> recording related equipment, that will matter as well.
> >>> I hope? this offer comes from a reliable source, so the machine is as 
> >>> advertised etc.
> >>> Do you want to share more on your goals?
> >>> Karen
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2021, 

Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

OK, that's a pretty light audio recording requirement. Before buying an
older machine, though, you might want to be sure you can upgrade its OS
to the minimum requirement for Audio Hijack.

Beyond that it's just a question of how many hours of audio you want to
store. As you'll likely use mp3, this too becomes a light requirement.

Note that you could also store the captured audio on an external drive,
some kind of Thunderbolt (or USB) SSD, but this piece could always come
later. The advantage here is that you can take the external drive to
another machine, should you wish.

And, just for grins, we should probably note you could use Airfoil to
broadcast your captured audio across whatever PDA devices you have
scattered around your home.

Best,

Janina

Terri Stimmel writes:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> First of all, I would like to say thank you to all of you who took the time
> to try and help me out. I really appreciate all the great information, and
> thoughts. It has really helped me to understand things, when it comes to
> Macbooks.
> 
> 
> Karen asked if I would like to explain my goals. I appreciate this, because
> I think that could be helpful. I think it might help me figure out what
> exactly I might need.
> 
> 
> So my main goal is to be able to purchase a device, such as a Mac, or an
> iPad, so that I can record audio. I am huge into collecting audio described
> content. We have Spectrum cable. Some of the channels that carry audio
> described content that I would like to capture, don't carry the audio
> description over my cable box.
> 
> However, I can get it, using the Spectrum App.
> 
> 
> So I would like to be able to use a program like audio hijack, and capture
> the streaming audio. I want to go to the Spectrum site, and stream the
> channel I want, and capture the audio description.
> 
> 
> That is the main thing I am hoping to do. I could use my windows laptop. But
> in order to do this, I would have to go through many steps to make this
> happen. Including purchasing a sound card.
> 
> But then I would not be able to easily access my laptop for other things.
> Such as checking mail, and all the other things that I do.
> 
> 
> These are my thoughts. What do you all think?
> 
> I would consider purchasing an iPad. I am open to doing this. But when I had
> one years ago, the main thing I didn't care for, was how the screen would
> sometimes be in colomns. There didn't seem a way to make this optional. Or
> stop it from happening. I found this to be rather frustrating, and
> chalenging for me.
> 
> 
> But also, does the audio hijack program even work on an iPad?
> 
> 
> Thank you, and I look forward to hearing what you all might have to say.
> 
> 
> Terri
> 
> On 8/21/2021 2:53 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > Hi Terri,
> > May I ask how you define doing lots of audio recording?
> > It seems important here, because you will want the hardware to support
> > your needs.
> > The programs you use have their own requirements.  If you  use external
> > recording related equipment, that will matter as well.
> > I hope? this offer comes from a reliable source, so the machine is as
> > advertised etc.
> > Do you want to share more on your goals?
> > Karen
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2021, skipper8...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > > Are you referring to the Mac at Walmart?
> > > 
> > > https://www.walmart.com/ip/Apple-MacBook-Air-11-6-quot-Core-i5-2467M-Dual-Core-1-6GHz-4GB-128GB-SSD-LED-Notebook/457538391?wmlspartner=wlpa
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > =10746&=227079329219==g=c=191983629258=aud-1219917706781:pla-493523799072=1015236pla=117097862=online=457538391=sem=Cj0KCQjwpf2IBhDkARIsAGVo0D2zGHiV2r7L2Mufjuk1gYyYD23I5LyqkNTPwkZl7zBrTIyUeX1o1xkaAvPKEALw_wcB=aw.ds
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Mountain Lion is a really old operating system, and the site says
> > > that there are cracks?
> > > 
> > > Not sure.
> > > 
> > > If I were you I would see if there are still older Dell Macbooks around.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > >  On Behalf Of Terri Stimmel
> > > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 6:01 PM
> > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hello everyone,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Sorry, I didn't mean to leave that information out. It states that
> > > it is the latest model. Just that it is refurbished. The model
> > > number is, MC969LL/A.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I hope this helps?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thank you,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Terri
> > > 
> > > On 8/20/2021 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
> > > 
> > 

Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Exactly, Anders. If I do keep it, that's almost certainly what I'll do.

Best,

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> You could install linux onto it if you like.
> But I understand you.
> I did a similar check with my MacBook Air from 2015 and  was offered  300$ 
> for it.
> /A
> 
> > 21 aug. 2021 kl. 18:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Especially since you want it for recording.
> > 
> > I can tell you about my 2014 era 11 inch Airbook. I have 8 gigs RAM and
> > 512 Gb HD. I checked what Apple would give me for it as a trade in when
> > I bought a Mac Mini last year. They offered me $160. I didn't take the
> > $160, so I still have it. It's on it's last round of OS upgrades, i.e.
> > Big Sur. 
> > 
> > Not sure what I'll do with the hardware with the next major OS upgrade.
> > I just know I won't be keeping this old Airbook once running around the
> > planet becomes normal again.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Brad Snyder writes:
> >> I wouldn’t get a MacBook Air with less than 8 GB RAM, and at least 256 SSD 
> >> HD.
> >> I’d pass on this one.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> - Brad -
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Aug 20, 2021, at 17:00, Terri Stimmel  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello everyone,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sorry, I didn't mean to leave that information out. It states that it is 
> >> the latest model. Just that it is refurbished. The model number is, 
> >> MC969LL/A.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I hope this helps?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Thank you,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Terri
> >> 
> >> On 8/20/2021 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
> >>> Hi we need to know how old is
> >>> 
> >>> It?
> >>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> >>> Windows 10
> >>> 
> >>> From: Terri Stimmel <mailto:icecreamlove...@outlook.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 4:42 PM
> >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> >>> Subject: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air
> >>> 
> >>> Hello everyone,
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> My boyfriend found a deal for a refurbished Macbook Air. I am very 
> >>> interested in purchasing this.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> However, I would like to get some opinions on it, if at all possible. I 
> >>> don't know much about using a Mac. I have always wanted to use one. I 
> >>> know in some ways they can have limits though.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> I would mainly like to be able to do a lot of different audio recording. 
> >>> I currently use an HP laptop for the majority of things. And probably 
> >>> still will.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Anyway, this Macbook Air has 4 Gigs of RAM, Intel Core I 5, 1.6 GHZ, 128 
> >>> GB SSD. It doesn't state what version of the operating system it comes 
> >>> with.
> >>> 
> >>> Does this possibly mean it doesn't include one?
> >>> 
> >>> Also, how likely is it that this could be updated, if at some point I 
> >>> wanted to do this?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Any thoughts are much appreciated.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Terri
> >>> 
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Re: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Especially since you want it for recording.

I can tell you about my 2014 era 11 inch Airbook. I have 8 gigs RAM and
512 Gb HD. I checked what Apple would give me for it as a trade in when
I bought a Mac Mini last year. They offered me $160. I didn't take the
$160, so I still have it. It's on it's last round of OS upgrades, i.e.
Big Sur. 

Not sure what I'll do with the hardware with the next major OS upgrade.
I just know I won't be keeping this old Airbook once running around the
planet becomes normal again.

Janina

Brad Snyder writes:
> I wouldn’t get a MacBook Air with less than 8 GB RAM, and at least 256 SSD HD.
> I’d pass on this one.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Aug 20, 2021, at 17:00, Terri Stimmel  wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry, I didn't mean to leave that information out. It states that it is the 
> latest model. Just that it is refurbished. The model number is, MC969LL/A.
> 
> 
> 
> I hope this helps?
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> 
> Terri
> 
> On 8/20/2021 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
> > Hi we need to know how old is
> >  
> > It?
> > Sent from Mail  for Windows 
> > 10
> >  
> > From: Terri Stimmel 
> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 4:42 PM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> > Subject: Interested in purchasing a Macbook Air
> >  
> > Hello everyone,
> >  
> >  
> > My boyfriend found a deal for a refurbished Macbook Air. I am very 
> > interested in purchasing this.
> >  
> >  
> > However, I would like to get some opinions on it, if at all possible. I 
> > don't know much about using a Mac. I have always wanted to use one. I 
> > know in some ways they can have limits though.
> >  
> >  
> > I would mainly like to be able to do a lot of different audio recording. 
> > I currently use an HP laptop for the majority of things. And probably 
> > still will.
> >  
> >  
> > Anyway, this Macbook Air has 4 Gigs of RAM, Intel Core I 5, 1.6 GHZ, 128 
> > GB SSD. It doesn't state what version of the operating system it comes with.
> >  
> > Does this possibly mean it doesn't include one?
> >  
> > Also, how likely is it that this could be updated, if at some point I 
> > wanted to do this?
> >  
> >  
> > Any thoughts are much appreciated.
> >  
> >  
> > Thank you,
> >  
> >  
> > Terri
> >  
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Re: Bad News Bears MacBook Air 2011

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I had a swollen battery on my late 2013 vintage Macbook Air (11-inch) a
couple years ago. The battery had swollen so much the lid wouldn't
close.

The Apple store replaced the old battery and I've not had an issue
since. My total cost was just over $200 as I recall.

Best,

Janina

Traci Duncan writes:
> Hi Tim. Thanks for the information. Thankfully, I did buy a new machine last 
> fall. I've still been using the older MacBook Air occasionally though.
> 
> I may look into this, but you are right, $500 would not be worth it.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
> > On May 26, 2021, at 9:31 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Yes, that sounds like a swolen battery.  From a safety prospective, you 
> > should not even be plugging it in anymore, as it is at risk of bursting.  
> > I’m doubtful that you’ll be able to find a battery for that age of MacBook 
> > Air.  It’s certainly worth taking it in to an authorized Apple service 
> > provider though to see.  My estimation is that it would be up to $500 to 
> > replace the battery if it can be found.  That’s also hoping that there’s no 
> > damage to anything inside due too the swollen battery.  Finances aside, my 
> > thought is that you’d be best to simply get a new machine.  Again, if 
> > finances do not permit this in your world, hopefully, something can be 
> > figured out.
> > 
> > Later…
> > 
> > 
> > Tim Kilburn
> > Jamf Certified Tech
> > Apple Professional Learning Specialist
> > Apple Teacher
> > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > 
> >> On May 26, 2021, at 10:25 AM, Traci Duncan  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Al,
> >> 
> >> Has anyone tried to service an old MacBook? Is this something the Apple 
> >> Store will still do?
> >> 
> >> My assumption here as I'm going to need the battery replaced. I opened up 
> >> my old MacBook Air, and the trackpad is lifted upward. The battery is also 
> >> nonresponsive. It remains at 0%, power connected, not charging.
> >> 
> >> What are your thoughts? Is it worth it? I have no idea how much it might 
> >> cost.
> >> 
> >> Thank you,
> >> Traci
> >> 
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Re: A basic Mail question

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, that's the magic! Thanks, Lorie!

Janina

Lorie McCloud writes:
> to jump to the top, command-option up arrow. to the bottom, command-option 
> down-arrow.
> 
> > On May 26, 2021, at 12:56 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
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> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
> > keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> > when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> > do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> > 
> > It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> > be looking in all the wrong places! 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
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Re: A basic Mail question

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Not working, sorry to say.

Brad Snyder writes:
> 
> Try using OPT + UpArrow, to go to the top of a mailbox list, and OPT + 
> DownArrow, to go to the bottom of the list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2021, at 00:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
> keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
> when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
> do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?
> 
> It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
> be looking in all the wrong places! 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Janina
> 
> 
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A basic Mail question

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I've started using Mac Mail more frequently, but I'm not finding the
keyboard shortcut to jump to the top (or bottom) of a list. For example
when in a mailbox on the list of all the messages in that mailbox, how
do I jump to the top of the list? And how to the bottom of the list?

It's a simple basic question, but I've failed to find the answer. Must
be looking in all the wrong places! 

Thanks in advance,

Janina


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Amadeus Pro--Changing file format

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I have a multitrack recording in Amadeus Pro that's in it's native .amad
file format. I understand that choosing the Bounce option in the Sound
menu is supposed to mix that down to a two track stereo recording for
me. But, I'm having all kinds of confusion trying to change the file
format to .wav.

Any help very much appreciated. I'm trying to get a set of quick and
dirty recordings out the door for a Zoom Memorial Service coming up
soon.

Thanks in advance.

Janina

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