[MBZ] What is it?
I got a replacement wiper transmission for my W126 The mounting bracket has some sort of sensor installed towards the drivers side. It has a 2-pin plug on its pigtail. It came off a 1990 MERCEDES 300SE. I am curious what it may be. -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] where voltage reg
Thanks for responses. Last time I had to deal with this part was on my 108 - bolied battery and fried alt., but as I recal was bolted to sheet metal on side of engine compartment. Interesting to note that this unit went south on the 126 when we had rain which rarely happens this time of year in N. NV. Anyway to get to the point, when swapping from donor to the SD I discover that black plastic cap had gone missing on the SD. I guess that splains it. Ricky R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Sunroof Repair
Thanks Jim: I've looked at you well written and photographed article and it should pave the way for the repairs. As soon as I install the whole house water filter, paint the master bedroom, regrout the master bathroom, reinsulate the ductwork in the crawlspace and install my version of the dryspace encapsulation in the crawlspace I'll take a look at the sunroof. Alan Duff Knoxville, TN On Fri 07/15/11 12:57 AM , Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net sent: Are there two cables since the switch does not work but the bolt on the motor does? No. Switch runs motor, which pushes/pulls on cable. Hex drive in trunk also pushes/pulls on same cable. See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/cwsunroof.html -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Sunroof Repair
You can come do mine too! --R On 7/15/11 8:17 AM, aland...@knology.net wrote: reinsulate the ductwork in the crawlspace ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is it?
Is it a park/limit switch so that the thing knows when to quit? --R On 7/15/11 6:38 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: I got a replacement wiper transmission for my W126 The mounting bracket has some sort of sensor installed towards the drivers side. It has a 2-pin plug on its pigtail. It came off a 1990 MERCEDES 300SE. I am curious what it may be. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Back in the US of A
Did you buy it there, or just register it? I thought you couldn't buy a diesel there? --R On 7/14/11 8:32 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Sure we have some diesels here but the selection is extremely limited. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:00 PM, John Freermbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Strange comment as I had a 2005 E320CDI registered in CA for 5 years. Sent from my iPad On Jul 14, 2011, at 6:02 AM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Probably. The thing is, you can buy a 320CDI in an R, ML and a GL, why not everything else? And the smaller diesel engines too, which I presume act about the same as the 320CDI. Probably some sort of marketing thing, maybe some emissions testing/validation issues too. --R On 7/14/11 8:51 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: It's because someone in CA saw a fully-laden double-tandem semi belching coal, and got all huffy. Walt On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: None of the diesels (at least the newer ones) I saw had any smoke or smell, the exhaust on our car had no odor at all. One diesel Benz that was parked next to my car at some place had a slight vinegary odor to it, which the fuel also had, but other than that was not noticeable at all. I don't quite understand the Collyfawnya issues with these vehicles, must be some invisible something or other. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is it?
It's got that build into the gearbox. My WA guess is it has something to do with the variable intermittend wiper control. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Is it a park/limit switch so that the thing knows when to quit? --R On 7/15/11 6:38 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: I got a replacement wiper transmission for my W126 The mounting bracket has some sort of sensor installed towards the drivers side. It has a 2-pin plug on its pigtail. It came off a 1990 MERCEDES 300SE. I am curious what it may be. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is it?
Did that model have a rain sensor? Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: It's got that build into the gearbox. My WA guess is it has something to do with the variable intermittend wiper control. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Is it a park/limit switch so that the thing knows when to quit? --R On 7/15/11 6:38 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: I got a replacement wiper transmission for my W126 The mounting bracket has some sort of sensor installed towards the drivers side. It has a 2-pin plug on its pigtail. It came off a 1990 MERCEDES 300SE. I am curious what it may be. _ **_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com; -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What is it?
Not that I was aware of. When I had to change the wiper transmission in my 86 SDL, I remember the plug being there, and I never did figure out what it was for, but I plugged it in again. If the first generation 126 do not have the thing, I'd guess that you won't miss anything if you don't plug it in. Did that model have a rain sensor? Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com wrote: It's got that build into the gearbox. My WA guess is it has something to do with the variable intermittend wiper control. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Is it a park/limit switch so that the thing knows when to quit? --R On 7/15/11 6:38 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: I got a replacement wiper transmission for my W126 The mounting bracket has some sort of sensor installed towards the drivers side. It has a 2-pin plug on its pigtail. It came off a 1990 MERCEDES 300SE. I am curious what it may be. _ **_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com; -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
Sounds highly plausible, although he didn't say anything about leaks. Folow-up question: With the turbo boost back to normal and power restored in all gears and at all speeds, will this negatively effect my fuel economy? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: too ashamed to admit my ignorance [Hop up mill] and plead for an explanation, Probably fixed pressure leaks on the line from the intake manifold to the injection pump, which prevented the IP from thinking there was any turbo boost so it didn't fuel as much as it needed to/could have. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Roof rack bars, rear head rests and 3rd seat
Michael, Did you ever receive my email re: shipping zop code (2016) for the roof bars? I made several attempts to transmit this to your slozuki address but they didn't seem to go through... Andrew On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Michael Canfield wrote: Hahaha. I sell used Suzuki parts for much of my living. I nicknamed my first Samurai a Slozuki Slamaround because it was so slow and rough. A TS50 is probably quicker, but I think advertised top speed was only 50 mph, so a Sammy is faster. My brother's TS90 was advertised at 65mph but you wouldn't want to take it on the freeway. His first bike was a M31 basket case, now that was SLOW. I learned a lesson from him. My first bike was a CL175 (Honda) basket case. It could outrun traffic when I was 17. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
andrew strasfogel wrote: Sounds highly plausible, although he didn't say anything about leaks. Folow-up question: With the turbo boost back to normal and power restored in all gears and at all speeds, will this negatively effect my fuel economy? If you drive faster because of it, maybe. If it blows black smoke now, definitely. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
Concur. This was the exact cause when my 82 300SD exhibited same symptoms. In my case the leak was in the little rubber hoses that connect the electrical vent valve (forgot the real name) to the hard lines. This is the valve on the firewall that vents the boost pressure to the ALDA when the transmission is shifting. Scott -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 12:55 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for? too ashamed to admit my ignorance [Hop up mill] and plead for an explanation, Probably fixed pressure leaks on the line from the intake manifold to the injection pump, which prevented the IP from thinking there was any turbo boost so it didn't fuel as much as it needed to/could have. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Don't buy it! Processing BioD needs to happen in a pressure sealed environment at around 135-140F. HDPE will break down when exposed to NaOH/KOH and Methanol/Ethanol under heat and pressure. Pressure is generated during the mixture of Lye/Methanol AND when that is mixed with the heated oil. A metal tank is a much better way to process BioD. Bring this question over to the BioD list and I'll help more if you'd like to make your own home BioD for $300-400 or less. Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/15/2011 12:59 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Check with the restaurants first. They may be required to deal with licensed 'hazardous waste' companies only. And a few years ago it looked like biofuels would make fry oil a commodity item to sell rather than a waste item to pay for disposal of. Funny how we don't hear as much about biodiesel as we did a few years ago, maybe fry oil is still trash. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
I found one on ebay that looks and sounds very cool: http://cgi.ebay.com/Biodiesel-Processor-65g-batch-size-Full-draining-tanks-/260711009292?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cb3964c0c On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Check with the restaurants first. They may be required to deal with licensed 'hazardous waste' companies only. And a few years ago it looked like biofuels would make fry oil a commodity item to sell rather than a waste item to pay for disposal of. Funny how we don't hear as much about biodiesel as we did a few years ago, maybe fry oil is still trash. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
What's the link to the biodiesel list, Luther? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Don't buy it! Processing BioD needs to happen in a pressure sealed environment at around 135-140F. HDPE will break down when exposed to NaOH/KOH and Methanol/Ethanol under heat and pressure. Pressure is generated during the mixture of Lye/Methanol AND when that is mixed with the heated oil. A metal tank is a much better way to process BioD. Bring this question over to the BioD list and I'll help more if you'd like to make your own home BioD for $300-400 or less. Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/15/2011 12:59 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.**html http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
andrew strasfogel wrote: What's the link to the biodiesel list, Luther? http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/biodiesel_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
I am already a member but haven't received anything in eons. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: What's the link to the biodiesel list, Luther? http://okiebenz.com/mailman/**listinfo/biodiesel_okiebenz.**comhttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/biodiesel_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Restaurants are getting paid for their oil now I think, so you will have to get in line. Plus, you have to figure out what to do with all the glycerin and nasty leftover chemicals. And being in DC BTW the boy is moving to DC in a coupla weeks to go to Gtown Med, I get to go move him in Aug 1 and hang around a coupla days for the opening ceremony. Maybe I'll buy you a beer and you can tell me how wonderful Obama is, if you still have a job then. --R On 7/15/11 2:56 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I found one on ebay that looks and sounds very cool: http://cgi.ebay.com/Biodiesel-Processor-65g-batch-size-Full-draining-tanks-/260711009292?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cb3964c0c On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Check with the restaurants first. They may be required to deal with licensed 'hazardous waste' companies only. And a few years ago it looked like biofuels would make fry oil a commodity item to sell rather than a waste item to pay for disposal of. Funny how we don't hear as much about biodiesel as we did a few years ago, maybe fry oil is still trash. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
If you use KOH (Potassium hydroxide) instead of NaOH, the lefover glycerin (after you boil any extra Methanol off) is compostable and biodegradable, unlike NaOh-glycerin, which has a large component of salt Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/15/2011 2:08 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Restaurants are getting paid for their oil now I think, so you will have to get in line. Plus, you have to figure out what to do with all the glycerin and nasty leftover chemicals. And being in DC BTW the boy is moving to DC in a coupla weeks to go to Gtown Med, I get to go move him in Aug 1 and hang around a coupla days for the opening ceremony. Maybe I'll buy you a beer and you can tell me how wonderful Obama is, if you still have a job then. --R On 7/15/11 2:56 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I found one on ebay that looks and sounds very cool: http://cgi.ebay.com/Biodiesel-Processor-65g-batch-size-Full-draining-tanks-/260711009292?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cb3964c0c On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Check with the restaurants first. They may be required to deal with licensed 'hazardous waste' companies only. And a few years ago it looked like biofuels would make fry oil a commodity item to sell rather than a waste item to pay for disposal of. Funny how we don't hear as much about biodiesel as we did a few years ago, maybe fry oil is still trash. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Same problems with the Biobuddy...he's using a HDPE tank which will break down and have a leak eventually. Not a question of if it will leak but it will leak, just when? Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/15/2011 1:56 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I found one on ebay that looks and sounds very cool: http://cgi.ebay.com/Biodiesel-Processor-65g-batch-size-Full-draining-tanks-/260711009292?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cb3964c0c On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Check with the restaurants first. They may be required to deal with licensed 'hazardous waste' companies only. And a few years ago it looked like biofuels would make fry oil a commodity item to sell rather than a waste item to pay for disposal of. Funny how we don't hear as much about biodiesel as we did a few years ago, maybe fry oil is still trash. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
Compared to the fuel you were throwing away before when your turbo wouldn't boost to give you enough air to burn it? Turbochargers actually make a diesel engine MORE efficient. The increased power is a side effect of increased efficiency. There was a discussion a couple weeks ago about guys that discovered they got better fuel economy in diesel trucks by going a little faster which spooled up the turbo and thus raised the efficiency of the engine. -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:54:16 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for? Message-ID: CAC35L=vzRWoiaTxxfYH3zd6FEqJrKkFwJ4qgsD+=qzj0ohg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds highly plausible, although he didn't say anything about leaks. Folow-up question: With the turbo boost back to normal and power restored in all gears and at all speeds, will this negatively effect my fuel economy? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: too ashamed to admit my ignorance [Hop up mill] and plead for an explanation, Probably fixed pressure leaks on the line from the intake manifold to the injection pump, which prevented the IP from thinking there was any turbo boost so it didn't fuel as much as it needed to/could have. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons (2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go through on a consistent basis. I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: CAC35L=tQbUeALWYynj-68aYvP1rDoswzk27t+xUohyFbADrf=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - Battery ? Alternator?
My elder son is experiencing issues with his 2000 Nissan Maxima. the battery light comes on and then other miscellaneous lights come on in the dash - ck engine etc. The engine runs rough. Sounds like it may stall. Happened during the evening 2 nights ago and again last evening. I picked him up this morning and took him too work. Pulled the battery and took it home to charge. Took it back at lunchtime and re-installed it. Battery by itself read about 12.5V. Once in the car and after being started - read about 13.2V accross the terminals. My recollection is that it should be about 14.2 V if the alternator is putting out good current. The battery is one of the ones with the eye and it is not glowing like it should. Does that indicate a bad battery or perhaps just a low battery that needs more charging? Unfortunately, it is also sealed so I cannot just dip the tester in and see what it tells me. The alternator was replaced on May 14 of this year but that does not mean it could not be going bad. Any great ideas on testing to confirm whether it is alternator or the battery itself? Hopefully, I can get my younger son to come by and have a look at it tomorrow. He is a mechanic so I'll put him to work on fixing it if it needs the alternator swapped again. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Thanks for the great input. The local Z Burger chain has a guy pick it up every Wednesday but they haven't seen him in awhile. I wonder if more frequent (2 or 3x weekly) pickups would be more appealing, although since my consumption.is probably on the order of 10 gallons/week I would probably not be able to keep up with their supplies. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons (2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go through on a consistent basis. I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: CAC35L=tQbUeALWYynj-68aYvP1rDoswzk27t+xUohyFbADrf=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Sure - let me know. What sort of story would you like to hear in exchange for a second beer? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Restaurants are getting paid for their oil now I think, so you will have to get in line. Plus, you have to figure out what to do with all the glycerin and nasty leftover chemicals. And being in DC BTW the boy is moving to DC in a coupla weeks to go to Gtown Med, I get to go move him in Aug 1 and hang around a coupla days for the opening ceremony. Maybe I'll buy you a beer and you can tell me how wonderful Obama is, if you still have a job then. --R On 7/15/11 2:56 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I found one on ebay that looks and sounds very cool: http://cgi.ebay.com/Biodiesel-**Processor-65g-batch-size-Full-** draining-tanks-/260711009292?**pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=** item3cb3964c0chttp://cgi.ebay.com/Biodiesel-Processor-65g-batch-size-Full-draining-tanks-/260711009292?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3cb3964c0c On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Check with the restaurants first. They may be required to deal with licensed 'hazardous waste' companies only. And a few years ago it looked like biofuels would make fry oil a commodity item to sell rather than a waste item to pay for disposal of. Funny how we don't hear as much about biodiesel as we did a few years ago, maybe fry oil is still trash. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Find others that would like to make BioD and form a Co-op to share reasources. Buying 5-10 lbs a at a time of KOH/NaOH is MUCH more expensive than a 1 time purchase of 50lbs or more. Start looking at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Biodiesel/ and http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieselbasics/ for information and people close to you that might have a handle on your local environment for homeBioD. Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/15/2011 2:28 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks for the great input. The local Z Burger chain has a guy pick it up every Wednesday but they haven't seen him in awhile. I wonder if more frequent (2 or 3x weekly) pickups would be more appealing, although since my consumption.is probably on the order of 10 gallons/week I would probably not be able to keep up with their supplies. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons (2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go through on a consistent basis. I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400 From: andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: CAC35L=tQbUeALWYynj-68aYvP1rDoswzk27t+xUohyFbADrf=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Yeah, if you are talking about a restaurant that produces a lot of waste oil (such as McDonald's) they already have contracts with rendering companies to buy their used oil; if you try to siphon it out of the dumpster in back of the store you'll be charged with theft. If you know an independent restaurant owner you might be able to get oil, or not. All in all it's going to be harder than the WO proponents make it sounds, most restaurants are not sitting on tanker loads of oil begging someone to take it. Allan On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 14:47 -0400, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Check with the restaurants first. They may be required to deal with licensed 'hazardous waste' companies only. And a few years ago it looked like biofuels would make fry oil a commodity item to sell rather than a waste item to pay for disposal of. Funny how we don't hear as much about biodiesel as we did a few years ago, maybe fry oil is still trash. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
On 15/07/2011 2:32 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Sure - let me know. What sort of story would you like to hear in exchange for a second beer? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Restaurants are getting paid for their oil now I think, so you will have to get in line. Plus, you have to figure out what to do with all the glycerin and nasty leftover chemicals. And being in DC BTW the boy is moving to DC in a coupla weeks to go to Gtown Med, I get to go move him in Aug 1 and hang around a coupla days for the opening ceremony. Maybe I'll buy you a beer and you can tell me how wonderful Obama is, if you still have a job then. --R Let me suggest that you folks stick to talking about MB's and leave politics alone. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Don't forget to account for the increased expenses in injector and pump rebuilds. On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59 -0400, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
That's horse crap if the BioD is properly washed and NOT rancid. Fuel system problems are mostly cause by the solvent nature of BioD washing out the crap that years of PetroD usage left behind. Other issues are due to soy oils being the quickest to go rancid, on the order of 6mo or so. Other oils (peanut, canola/rapeseed, corn) have a much longer shelf life and will not cause pitting of your fuel system. When the BioD is properly washed to rid it of excess methanol and lye, then dried to remove water, the ONLY downside is that it has less energy per molecule than diesel and your fuel economy will be less. Countering that, is that BioD has about 20% MORE oxygen than PetroD and burns much more completely. Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/15/2011 2:41 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Don't forget to account for the increased expenses in injector and pump rebuilds. On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59 -0400, andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch. There's not one good answer to this. The worse the waste oil, and by worse I mean how degraded it has become with repeated use, the more acidic the oil becomes and the more lye is required to treat it. Lee ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Be prepared to dispose of the chunks of fries, chicken, etc that come in the bottom of the oil bin. They could be carefully burned for heat to warm oil Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 7/15/2011 2:28 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Thanks for the great input. The local Z Burger chain has a guy pick it up every Wednesday but they haven't seen him in awhile. I wonder if more frequent (2 or 3x weekly) pickups would be more appealing, although since my consumption.is probably on the order of 10 gallons/week I would probably not be able to keep up with their supplies. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons (2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go through on a consistent basis. I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400 From: andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: CAC35L=tQbUeALWYynj-68aYvP1rDoswzk27t+xUohyFbADrf=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:29 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: He charged me for an hour of labor, and wrote on the ticket: * Hop up mill; adjust trans*. When I asked him what this meant (hop up mill) he was incredulous that I didn't know and basically thought I was pulling his leg. I think he was the one pulling your leg. Hop up mill? Was this guy a time-traveler from the '50s? That's not even accurate use of hot-rod slang--he didn't hop up the mill, just tuned it. Unless he does such good work that you can overlook it, I'd say to find yourself a new mechanic. One that writes down exactly what he did on the invoice, if for no other reason that in future when the car exhibits the same symptoms you can refer back to it for clues or to rule out something that's already been fixed. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Be prepared to dispose of the chunks of fries, chicken, etc that come in the bottom of the oil bin. They could be carefully burned for heat to warm oil Or Andrew could put them in his compost pile along with the cat poop. ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Andrew's friends at the EPA are making cities clamp down on grease disposal. The city is making every food prep operation, not just restaurants, but prison, schools and hospitals, nursing homes etc. Even the neighborhood daycare, if they prepare meals... install a grease separator system to replace the relatively simple grease traps. These grease separators are thousands of dollars and there is essentially no benefit in the end, other than the grease load at the muni WWT plant is presumably lighter. The owner no longer can clean the thing themselves, but HAVE TO (all hail marx, lenin and stalin) hire an approved collection company (generally owned by guys who hire guys with dark glasses to break bones) to pick up the grease and empty these grease separators. The only way you will get used fry oil is if someone fried a turkey in the backyard, or if your community has not yet implemented these draconian measures. This has been implemented by the bummer administration to make sure that nobody can make homebrew BioD to compete with the oil companies. On the open market, Yellow grease (Used fry oil) is trading at 45 cents per pound in the east coast region.. (today's Jacobsen report) That is $3.38 per gallon for feedstock. Add $.75 per gallon for processing costs. Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per gallon.Now your costs, not counting time, are $4.63 per gallon. How much are you saving? Then you need to buy a pickup to gather oil, etc, etc. And the EPA will come around and declare your backyard a hazardous waste area, and charge you with illegal disposal of hazardous waste. Add those fines and lawyer costs to your per gallon price. BTW, in small lots, you can't buy yellow grease for .45 a lb. that is for semi loads or rail car lots. STOP! (Since you asked) The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons (2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go through on a consistent basis. I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: CAC35L=tQbUeALWYynj-68aYvP1rDoswzk27t+xUohyFbADrf=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
will this negatively effect my fuel economy? Shouldn't, unless you just can't keep your foot out of the throttle while you enjoy the blinding accelerations. :)) With the turbo working correctly you are now getting a much increased air charge into the engine. More air in a diesel means more power with a moderate increase in fuel. Less air ment you had to push more fuel into the combustion process to expand and drive cylinders but it's a losing combination power wise in the Suck, Squeeze, Bang, and Blow equation. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:54 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Sounds highly plausible, although he didn't say anything about leaks. Folow-up question: With the turbo boost back to normal and power restored in all gears and at all speeds, On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: too ashamed to admit my ignorance [Hop up mill] and plead for an explanation, Probably fixed pressure leaks on the line from the intake manifold to the injection pump, which prevented the IP from thinking there was any turbo boost so it didn't fuel as much as it needed to/could have. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
On 15/07/2011 2:53 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Benz Hogsbenz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Be prepared to dispose of the chunks of fries, chicken, etc that come in the bottom of the oil bin. They could be carefully burned for heat to warm oil Or Andrew could put them in his compost pile along with the cat poop. ;) Alex OR, feed that stuff to the cats. Nice glossy fur with all the oil! Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
On 15/07/2011 2:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per gallon.Now your costs, not counting time, are $4.63 per gallon. How much are you saving? Then you need to buy a pickup to gather oil, etc, etc. NO, NO, Andrew will need to get a nice battery operated Prius to haul oil for his veggie Benz! Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
I located him through the local referral groups. Has the highest user ratings for getting the job done right, honesty, and fair pricing. Plus, he's smart, sardonic, and entertaining enough to make me forgive his jibes and jests. Most importantly, he has been a 123 diesel owner and mechanic since day 1 and knows what it takes to keep them on the road. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:29 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: He charged me for an hour of labor, and wrote on the ticket: * Hop up mill; adjust trans*. When I asked him what this meant (hop up mill) he was incredulous that I didn't know and basically thought I was pulling his leg. I think he was the one pulling your leg. Hop up mill? Was this guy a time-traveler from the '50s? That's not even accurate use of hot-rod slang--he didn't hop up the mill, just tuned it. Unless he does such good work that you can overlook it, I'd say to find yourself a new mechanic. One that writes down exactly what he did on the invoice, if for no other reason that in future when the car exhibits the same symptoms you can refer back to it for clues or to rule out something that's already been fixed. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
I don't know anything about stringent rules for WVO. The manager at the local burger joint that I called seemed to have no qualms in giving away their fryer oil. Obviously, unless the oil were free I wouldn't be interested. The whole point is to turn a waste product into something useful while reducing (in a small way) dependence on petroleum products. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 15/07/2011 2:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per gallon.Now your costs, not counting time, are $4.63 per gallon. How much are you saving? Then you need to buy a pickup to gather oil, etc, etc. NO, NO, Andrew will need to get a nice battery operated Prius to haul oil for his veggie Benz! Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
andrew strasfogel wrote: Folow-up question: With the turbo boost back to normal and power restored in all gears and at all speeds, will this negatively effect my fuel economy? No. It will improve. Because the turbo increases the efficiency of the engine. Unless you use full power quite often. :) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
I will now be tempted to, since the engine is now resposive to my foot pressure. :) On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Folow-up question: With the turbo boost back to normal and power restored in all gears and at all speeds, will this negatively effect my fuel economy? No. It will improve. Because the turbo increases the efficiency of the engine. Unless you use full power quite often. :) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Allan Streib wrote: Don't forget to account for the increased expenses in injector and pump rebuilds. I thought the wonderful thing about biodiesel was that it had more lubricity than dinodiesel, which helped the fuel system live a long and happy life. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Yellow grease does not biodiesel make folks. Been there done that. Yellow grease will not support a transesterfication chemical reaction that is dependable or repeatable. By definition yellow grease is chemical combination of any fatty acid source available to the collection company. In 2007 I was the design engineer for a large commercial bio diesel plant with production capacity of 20,000,000 gallons per month, design through certification. We took a hard look at using Yellow Grease because of the trading volumes available on the market. Bottom line, NO. Use clean oil. Remove all water, Remove all solids, Do titrate each batch to learn what you have and adjust the chemistry for each batch as necessary. The EPA will become your New Friend the instant it is discovered you are making anything with chemicals followed by Homeland Security, BATF, and about a dozen alphabet soup government shops you never heard of till then... All of them have the motto: We are from the Government and we're not happy until you're not happy Time and cost to pass all the government regs and controls, 2 yrs.8 months, $6.4 million in legal fees and added compliance costs. Time and cost to build out plant to production, 126 days. $2.9 million And we won? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 15/07/2011 2:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per gallon.Now your costs, not counting time, are $4.63 per gallon. How much are you saving? Then you need to buy a pickup to gather oil, etc, etc. NO, NO, Andrew will need to get a nice battery operated Prius to haul oil for his veggie Benz! Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Can't haul 10-20 5 gal jugs or 2-6 55 gal drums in a pious On 15/07/2011 2:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per gallon.Now your costs, not counting time, are $4.63 per gallon. How much are you saving? Then you need to buy a pickup to gather oil, etc, etc. NO, NO, Andrew will need to get a nice battery operated Prius to haul oil for his veggie Benz! Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
He was giving you a line of BS, so that is why I, and others gave you more BS. I figured he either blew out the turbo sense line or changed the fuel filter. If he had changed the liter, I figured he would have charged you for a filter. Since he didn't, I figured he blew out the sense line. I located him through the local referral groups. Has the highest user ratings for getting the job done right, honesty, and fair pricing. Plus, he's smart, sardonic, and entertaining enough to make me forgive his jibes and jests. Most importantly, he has been a 123 diesel owner and mechanic since day 1 and knows what it takes to keep them on the road. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 7:29 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: He charged me for an hour of labor, and wrote on the ticket: * Hop up mill; adjust trans*. When I asked him what this meant (hop up mill) he was incredulous that I didn't know and basically thought I was pulling his leg. I think he was the one pulling your leg. Hop up mill? Was this guy a time-traveler from the '50s? That's not even accurate use of hot-rod slang--he didn't hop up the mill, just tuned it. Unless he does such good work that you can overlook it, I'd say to find yourself a new mechanic. One that writes down exactly what he did on the invoice, if for no other reason that in future when the car exhibits the same symptoms you can refer back to it for clues or to rule out something that's already been fixed. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 123 water accumulation
My remembery is that water accumulating in the rear footwells is sunrooof drains. Is that correct? This car has a windshield gasket with big cracks in it. I has leaked on the driver's feet in rainstorms for some years. This accumulation has happened with the car parked. It is not a lot. of water, but enough to start rusting . I have taken out all the seats and mats and cleaned out the footwells and back seat platform. It is dried out now. Next is to open the sunroof and clear the drains. I also have to clean the drains in the hood hinge area of both 240Ds. Tomorrow the 80 gets a heart transplant. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
You are right! I was trying to point out the gummit friends that will come calling on Andrew in a much lighter tone. Used fry oil is traded as yellow grease. Yes, it is highly variable. Most of the grease collection tanks are left open to collect rainwater too... Water and used fry oil are not good company for those who want to make BioD. Even at 20 million gallons per YEAR, yellow grease is not a good feedstock because of its variability. It can be handled in small batch plants, but most homebrew BioD plants do not have adequate facilities to make good BioD, and dry out the water and glycerine/soap. It is not something I could recommend for a small lot in DC. Yellow grease does not biodiesel make folks. Been there done that. Yellow grease will not support a transesterfication chemical reaction that is dependable or repeatable. By definition yellow grease is chemical combination of any fatty acid source available to the collection company. In 2007 I was the design engineer for a large commercial bio diesel plant with production capacity of 20,000,000 gallons per month, design through certification. We took a hard look at using Yellow Grease because of the trading volumes available on the market. Bottom line, NO. Use clean oil. Remove all water, Remove all solids, Do titrate each batch to learn what you have and adjust the chemistry for each batch as necessary. The EPA will become your New Friend the instant it is discovered you are making anything with chemicals followed by Homeland Security, BATF, and about a dozen alphabet soup government shops you never heard of till then... All of them have the motto: We are from the Government and we're not happy until you're not happy Time and cost to pass all the government regs and controls, 2 yrs.8 months, $6.4 million in legal fees and added compliance costs. Time and cost to build out plant to production, 126 days. $2.9 million And we won? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 15/07/2011 2:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per gallon.Now your costs, not counting time, are $4.63 per gallon. How much are you saving? Then you need to buy a pickup to gather oil, etc, etc. NO, NO, Andrew will need to get a nice battery operated Prius to haul oil for his veggie Benz! Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
It is if it meets the BQ standard. Meeting the standard is not likely with homebrew. Testing a sample runs roughly $1000 cash. Allan Streib wrote: Don't forget to account for the increased expenses in injector and pump rebuilds. I thought the wonderful thing about biodiesel was that it had more lubricity than dinodiesel, which helped the fuel system live a long and happy life. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
They usually have a contract with disposal companies so the waste oil is really their property Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons (2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go through on a consistent basis. I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: CAC35L=tQbUeALWYynj-68aYvP1rDoswzk27t+xUohyFbADrf=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Thank you for the suggestion. Biofuel is however an intrinsic political topic, amongst chemistry, logistics, etc. My point was a friendly jibe to Andrew, who has been a friendly foil for various light-hearted political exchanges. He and I will have fun, and maybe some beers and tomatoes. The second story I would like to hear is how I need to pay more taxes (and then we can discuss how Andrew will pay the road tax on his biobuddy fuel, and how he will keep the gummint happy with his home brewing activities in our nation's capital/ol). --R On 7/15/11 3:41 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 15/07/2011 2:32 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Sure - let me know. What sort of story would you like to hear in exchange for a second beer? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Restaurants are getting paid for their oil now I think, so you will have to get in line. Plus, you have to figure out what to do with all the glycerin and nasty leftover chemicals. And being in DC BTW the boy is moving to DC in a coupla weeks to go to Gtown Med, I get to go move him in Aug 1 and hang around a coupla days for the opening ceremony. Maybe I'll buy you a beer and you can tell me how wonderful Obama is, if you still have a job then. --R Let me suggest that you folks stick to talking about MB's and leave politics alone. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Let me suggest that you folks stick to talking about MB's and leave politics alone. --R On 7/15/11 3:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Andrew's friends at the EPA are making cities clamp down on grease disposal. The city is making every food prep operation, not just restaurants, but prison, schools and hospitals, nursing homes etc. Even the neighborhood daycare, if they prepare meals... install a grease separator system to replace the relatively simple grease traps. These grease separators are thousands of dollars and there is essentially no benefit in the end, other than the grease load at the muni WWT plant is presumably lighter. The owner no longer can clean the thing themselves, but HAVE TO (all hail marx, lenin and stalin) hire an approved collection company (generally owned by guys who hire guys with dark glasses to break bones) to pick up the grease and empty these grease separators. The only way you will get used fry oil is if someone fried a turkey in the backyard, or if your community has not yet implemented these draconian measures. This has been implemented by the bummer administration to make sure that nobody can make homebrew BioD to compete with the oil companies. On the open market, Yellow grease (Used fry oil) is trading at 45 cents per pound in the east coast region.. (today's Jacobsen report) That is $3.38 per gallon for feedstock. Add $.75 per gallon for processing costs. Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per gallon.Now your costs, not counting time, are $4.63 per gallon. How much are you saving? Then you need to buy a pickup to gather oil, etc, etc. And the EPA will come around and declare your backyard a hazardous waste area, and charge you with illegal disposal of hazardous waste. Add those fines and lawyer costs to your per gallon price. BTW, in small lots, you can't buy yellow grease for .45 a lb. that is for semi loads or rail car lots. STOP! (Since you asked) The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons (2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go through on a consistent basis. I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: CAC35L=tQbUeALWYynj-68aYvP1rDoswzk27t+xUohyFbADrf=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
My intent was to be somewhat funny as well. Maybe it came accross too serious. I could just see the two of you getting into a fight in a bar. There is some silly only country song about political leanings of the members of a band who end up beating on each other. the one on the right was on the left and the one in the middle was on the right or something along those lines. Randy who gets bored with politics pretty quickly On 15/07/2011 4:04 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Thank you for the suggestion. Biofuel is however an intrinsic political topic, amongst chemistry, logistics, etc. My point was a friendly jibe to Andrew, who has been a friendly foil for various light-hearted political exchanges. He and I will have fun, and maybe some beers and tomatoes. The second story I would like to hear is how I need to pay more taxes (and then we can discuss how Andrew will pay the road tax on his biobuddy fuel, and how he will keep the gummint happy with his home brewing activities in our nation's capital/ol). --R On 7/15/11 3:41 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 15/07/2011 2:32 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Sure - let me know. What sort of story would you like to hear in exchange for a second beer? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Restaurants are getting paid for their oil now I think, so you will have to get in line. Plus, you have to figure out what to do with all the glycerin and nasty leftover chemicals. And being in DC BTW the boy is moving to DC in a coupla weeks to go to Gtown Med, I get to go move him in Aug 1 and hang around a coupla days for the opening ceremony. Maybe I'll buy you a beer and you can tell me how wonderful Obama is, if you still have a job then. --R Let me suggest that you folks stick to talking about MB's and leave politics alone. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
AFAIK commercially available stuff should prolong your engine's life as long as it's diluted in dinodiesel. I think B20 is best. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is if it meets the BQ standard. Meeting the standard is not likely with homebrew. Testing a sample runs roughly $1000 cash. Allan Streib wrote: Don't forget to account for the increased expenses in injector and pump rebuilds. I thought the wonderful thing about biodiesel was that it had more lubricity than dinodiesel, which helped the fuel system live a long and happy life. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
To heck with making biodiesel! Convert your car to run wvo, filter it very well and make sure it has no suspended water. Anyone that tells you it won't work right is full of it. Been doing it for years and have yet to have a veggie oil related failure. Clean, clean, clean oil is the secret to success. Gravity is your friend, let the oil settle and only filter from the top. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 2:00 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Too much modification will devalue the car. BD is easier. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: To heck with making biodiesel! Convert your car to run wvo, filter it very well and make sure it has no suspended water. Anyone that tells you it won't work right is full of it. Been doing it for years and have yet to have a veggie oil related failure. Clean, clean, clean oil is the secret to success. Gravity is your friend, let the oil settle and only filter from the top. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 2:00 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Who cares about devaluing the car? If you save $5000 in fuel then you can afford to lose a few bucks if you decide to resell. Doesn't take long to make one of our old beaters into a free car at over 4 dollars a gallon for diesel. And NO biodiesel is not easier by any means. There is much more work involved. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 5:50 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Too much modification will devalue the car. BD is easier. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: To heck with making biodiesel! Convert your car to run wvo, filter it very well and make sure it has no suspended water. Anyone that tells you it won't work right is full of it. Been doing it for years and have yet to have a veggie oil related failure. Clean, clean, clean oil is the secret to success. Gravity is your friend, let the oil settle and only filter from the top. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 2:00 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Look at it this way.screw up once filtering oil and replace filters. Screw up once making BD and die or risk pump failure. Your choice. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 5:50 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Too much modification will devalue the car. BD is easier. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: To heck with making biodiesel! Convert your car to run wvo, filter it very well and make sure it has no suspended water. Anyone that tells you it won't work right is full of it. Been doing it for years and have yet to have a veggie oil related failure. Clean, clean, clean oil is the secret to success. Gravity is your friend, let the oil settle and only filter from the top. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 2:00 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
andrew strasfogel wrote: Folow-up question: With the turbo boost back to normal and power restored in all gears and at all speeds, will this negatively effect my fuel economy? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: No. It will improve. Because the turbo increases the efficiency of the engine. Unless you use full power quite often. :) andrew strasfogel wrote: I will now be tempted to, since the engine is now resposive to my foot pressure. :) Well, it's still a _very_ good idea to make the engine work hard often enough to keep it clean. But that can be, climb the big hill in 3rd gear, wide open every week or two. But at normal cruise, the turbo is recovering some of the waste heat from the engine and using it to stuff more air in. It's this recovery of exhaust heat that causes the overall efficiency to increase. The engine (at least a correctly working Mercedes) does not allow more fuel to be injected than there is air to burn it. If there is no clouds of black smoke, then this is working. So with low boost, there will be less fuel used - but more waste heat. With the turbo working properly, the exhaust heat is used to force air into the engine. This means that the maximum fuel that _can_ be burned is greater - so the maximum power is also greater. But with the engine at cruise, it's the reclamation of heat that provides the fuel economy increase. And that's why it's possible for the outrageous claim to be true: more-power != less-mpg --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
I'm not suggesting making BD. I'm suggesting buying the good commercially available stuff. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Look at it this way.screw up once filtering oil and replace filters. Screw up once making BD and die or risk pump failure. Your choice. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 5:50 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Too much modification will devalue the car. BD is easier. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: To heck with making biodiesel! Convert your car to run wvo, filter it very well and make sure it has no suspended water. Anyone that tells you it won't work right is full of it. Been doing it for years and have yet to have a veggie oil related failure. Clean, clean, clean oil is the secret to success. Gravity is your friend, let the oil settle and only filter from the top. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 2:00 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Fuel viscosity is different, pump takes more HP to do it's job, more mechanical stress... WVO is good if you get the viscosity under control, filter it, dry it, biocide it, etc. It works, but in the same way that using 1's for TP works... Walt On Jul 15, 2011 5:58 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Look at it this way.screw up once filtering oil and replace filters. Screw up once making BD and die or risk pump failure. Your choice. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 5:50 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Too much modification will devalue the car. BD is easier. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: To heck with making biodiesel! Convert your car to run wvo, filter it very well and make sure it has no suspended water. Anyone that tells you it won't work right is full of it. Been doing it for years and have yet to have a veggie oil related failure. Clean, clean, clean oil is the secret to success. Gravity is your friend, let the oil settle and only filter from the top. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 2:00 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com writes: I'm not suggesting making BD. I'm suggesting buying the good commercially available stuff. That is the only way I'd do it. Too much trouble to be worth it making it yourself. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's certainly one way to look at it. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:56 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Who cares about devaluing the car? If you save $5000 in fuel then you can afford to lose a few bucks if you decide to resell. Doesn't take long to make one of our old beaters into a free car at over 4 dollars a gallon for diesel. And NO biodiesel is not easier by any means. There is much more work involved. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 5:50 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Too much modification will devalue the car. BD is easier. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: To heck with making biodiesel! Convert your car to run wvo, filter it very well and make sure it has no suspended water. Anyone that tells you it won't work right is full of it. Been doing it for years and have yet to have a veggie oil related failure. Clean, clean, clean oil is the secret to success. Gravity is your friend, let the oil settle and only filter from the top. Mike On Jul 15, 2011 2:00 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
G Mann wrote: With the turbo working correctly you are now getting a much increased air charge into the engine. Correct. More air in a diesel means more power with a moderate increase in fuel. Not so correct. :) Except an wide-open, max power a diesel engine always has an excess of air. The fuel injected burns only as much air as there is fuel to burn. The rest of the air is simply along for the ride. Simply stuffing more air into a diesel engine increases the effective compression ratio. This means it is able to extract a bit more mechanical force from the fuel it does burn. Running a turbo-supercharger scavenges exhaust heat to drive the intake compressor. This compressed intake air overcomes pumping losses as well as increasing the effective compression ratio. Since the exhaust heat is otherwise thrown out the tailpipe, using it is big part of where the _efficiency_ is gained. Less air ment you had to push more fuel into the combustion process to expand and drive cylinders but it's a losing combination power wise in the Suck, Squeeze, Bang, and Blow equation. No. Less air means less fuel _could_ be burned because the engine limits the fuel load based on the air charge. Less boost means lower efficiency _and_ less maximum power. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Delvac sale at Oreally?
went into O'really? the FLAPS today and they had 15W-40 Delvac 1300 oil on sale for $10 a gallon jug. Sale is until 7/28/11 FWIW ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Delvac sale at Oreally?
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: went into O'really? the FLAPS today and they had 15W-40 Delvac 1300 oil on sale for $10 a gallon jug. The Delvac 1300 is not synthetic, though. Delvac-1/M1 Turbo Diesel Truck is the synthetic stuff. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Banned is a great place for such, and today I learned that Andrew also posts there... Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Let me suggest that you folks stick to talking about MB's and leave politics alone. --R On 7/15/11 3:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Andrew's friends at the EPA are making cities clamp down on grease disposal. The city is making every food prep operation, not just restaurants, but prison, schools and hospitals, nursing homes etc. Even the neighborhood daycare, if they prepare meals... install a grease separator system to replace the relatively simple grease traps. These grease separators are thousands of dollars and there is essentially no benefit in the end, other than the grease load at the muni WWT plant is presumably lighter. The owner no longer can clean the thing themselves, but HAVE TO (all hail marx, lenin and stalin) hire an approved collection company (generally owned by guys who hire guys with dark glasses to break bones) to pick up the grease and empty these grease separators. The only way you will get used fry oil is if someone fried a turkey in the backyard, or if your community has not yet implemented these draconian measures. This has been implemented by the bummer administration to make sure that nobody can make homebrew BioD to compete with the oil companies. On the open market, Yellow grease (Used fry oil) is trading at 45 cents per pound in the east coast region.. (today's Jacobsen report) That is $3.38 per gallon for feedstock. Add $.75 per gallon for processing costs. Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per gallon. Now your costs, not counting time, are $4.63 per gallon. How much are you saving? Then you need to buy a pickup to gather oil, etc, etc. And the EPA will come around and declare your backyard a hazardous waste area, and charge you with illegal disposal of hazardous waste. Add those fines and lawyer costs to your per gallon price. BTW, in small lots, you can't buy yellow grease for .45 a lb. that is for semi loads or rail car lots. STOP! (Since you asked) The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons (2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go through on a consistent basis. I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: CAC35L=tQbUeALWYynj-68aYvP1rDoswzk27t+xUohyFbADrf=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Delvac sale at Oreally?
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: went into O'really? the FLAPS today and they had 15W-40 Delvac 1300 oil on sale for $10 a gallon jug. Allan Streib wrote: The Delvac 1300 is not synthetic, though. Delvac-1/M1 Turbo Diesel Truck is the synthetic stuff. It's not synthetic, but it and Delo 400 are the two best dino diesel oils. According to Marshal. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Another folly to soon end
By Bill Mattos Special to The Bee Published: Friday, Jul. 15, 2011 - 12:00 am | Page 17A The U.S. Senate recently voted 73-27 in favor of an amendment by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to eliminate the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit, or VEETC, and repeal the import tariff on foreign ethanol. The amendment was identical to the Ethanol Subsidy and Tariff Repeal Act, which was introduced by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., and Feinstein in May. Today's overwhelming vote shows a bipartisan consensus to repeal irresponsible ethanol subsidies and tariffs, Feinstein said at the time. The 73 votes sent a powerful message that the days of big subsidies for ethanol are coming to a close. We must be serious about addressing the debt and deficit, and this is a good first step. The ethanol subsidy currently gives large oil companies 45 cents for every gallon of ethanol they blend with gasoline, even though much of that use is mandated by law. If the subsidy would have been repealed by July 1, as the amendment calls for, it would save approximately $2.7 billion for the remainder of 2011. The ethanol tariff comprises a 54-cent-per-gallon secondary tariff and a 2.5 percent ad valorem tax. The ethanol tariff makes the United States more dependent on foreign oil by increasing the price of imported ethanol. Ethanol is the only industry I know of that receives a triple crown of government support: its use is mandated by law, it enjoys protective tariffs and oil companies receive federal subsidies to use it, Feinstein added. These flawed policies, which cost taxpayers nearly $6 billion a year, must be changed. Right after this vote, the House of Representatives introduced a similar bill, led by Rep. Wally Herger, R-Chico, to do just about the same thing as passed in the Senate. Chickens, turkeys, ducks and other poultry are fed a diet of 70 percent to 90 percent corn; it's a major energy source for the welfare of our birds. The dairy and cattle industries also feed huge amounts of corn to their animals to keep them healthy and robust. Nearly all the ethanol produced in this country is distilled from corn. The demand for corn for ethanol is a major factor for the increasing corn prices that has poultry companies spending three times as much for corn as they did in 2006, when the ethanol industry's demand really kicked in. California's family-owned poultry companies are spending $300 million more for corn today than they did last year. Consumers won't and can't pay enough to fund this outrageous increase in corn prices. With 40 percent of the corn crop going to ethanol instead of food, prices to farmers are putting many of them out of business. Food prices will also continue to go up, and we attribute much of these increases to a federal policy that must change. While we are supportive of the Senate's recent actions, we must be diligent to see these changes enacted – and soon. The Senate vote was only a primer for what's to come, since any legislation like this must originate in the House before the Senate can do anything. Their historic vote was huge for the anti-corn ethanol folks, like us, which is why we now see the House looking to do much the same thing. But like everything that goes on in Washington, D.C., we must be as vigilant as ever and continue to let our leaders know how important this is to animal agriculture, the food industry and the consumers who rely on food throughout the world. If you are concerned about jobs, then you should be with us in trying to eliminate these subsidies. These corn subsidies have got to go and not soon enough. But I urge you to send a note to your member of Congr ess, thank both Sens. Feinstein and Barbara Boxer for their work to eliminate these subsidies, and make a pest of yourself. If you are concerned about corn ethanol subsidies, don't let today go by before contacting the office of your member of Congress. Now! Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/15/377/the-time-is-ripe-to-eliminate.html#ixzz1SBdIhPqC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Delvac sale at Oreally?
Right, but the Delvac is good for ironheads (615, 616, 617) when you change oil to keep soot levels down. The aluminum heads, I run M1 in. Soot levels are much lower in this generation of engines. I started using dino (not delvac) oil in the older dodge when it started leaking Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: went into O'really? the FLAPS today and they had 15W-40 Delvac 1300 oil on sale for $10 a gallon jug. The Delvac 1300 is not synthetic, though. Delvac-1/M1 Turbo Diesel Truck is the synthetic stuff. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: 1985 Mercedes 300D-Turbo Diesel - $1500 (Townsend, MA)
Not Mine, etc. Darn it! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject:1985 Mercedes 300D-Turbo Diesel - $1500 (Townsend, MA) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/2488736520.html to contact the person who posted this. 1985 Mercedes 300D-Turbo Diesel Date: 2011-07-11, 2:57PM In Good condition, was running fine last year and previous. Needs some work to get it running up to par again. 300 D-Turbo Diesel , Chassis 123D Sun roof, though have not opened, Electric windows etc. runs ok needs a little help. I had it up and running very good last year. Moving have to sell. 173,000.00 Condition is good, some rust spots near wheels. See Pics. please email me with questions https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9TPsjX3xGmvSVCPZr-VX6cB4q1sGutEu2olnpgx8AuA?feat=embedwebsite From Drop Box https://picasaweb.google.com/mel4261/DropBox?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNiElJ7pkJW67AEfeat=embedwebsite https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tnQdIOQosHql-vGoINv-6MB4q1sGutEu2olnpgx8AuA?feat=embedwebsite From Drop Box https://picasaweb.google.com/mel4261/DropBox?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNiElJ7pkJW67AEfeat=embedwebsite https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lU7fUOFCgAkJvk8CR3wpGsB4q1sGutEu2olnpgx8AuA?feat=embedwebsite From Drop Box https://picasaweb.google.com/mel4261/DropBox?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNiElJ7pkJW67AEfeat=embedwebsite https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Qr8U7gc3E_Zt2147LqT5N8B4q1sGutEu2olnpgx8AuA?feat=embedwebsite From Drop Box https://picasaweb.google.com/mel4261/DropBox?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNiElJ7pkJW67AEfeat=embedwebsite https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Z_lVhiPw6vQp96rfEpvW7cB4q1sGutEu2olnpgx8AuA?feat=embedwebsite From Drop Box https://picasaweb.google.com/mel4261/DropBox?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNiElJ7pkJW67AEfeat=embedwebsite https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OKNl8r_jg3Eejs33gBgQpMB4q1sGutEu2olnpgx8AuA?feat=embedwebsite From Drop Box https://picasaweb.google.com/mel4261/DropBox?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNiElJ7pkJW67AEfeat=embedwebsite https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6DAu_Y3DQ-gvAxBBt8TNacB4q1sGutEu2olnpgx8AuA?feat=embedwebsite From Drop Box https://picasaweb.google.com/mel4261/DropBox?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNiElJ7pkJW67AEfeat=embedwebsite https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/09IdHuGPUdRuvORRM0yYacB4q1sGutEu2olnpgx8AuA?feat=embedwebsite From Drop Box https://picasaweb.google.com/mel4261/DropBox?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCNiElJ7pkJW67AEfeat=embedwebsite \ having hard time posting pics. please email me if you are interested,,, * Location: Townsend, MA * it's ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://worcester.craigslist.org/cto/2488736520.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: /http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18xNjc2OTE2NAuXZYvPUUknaEQLa2mHx3tNL9DNQTu4J36qGgCNKLeomAi0poEG4WLw3Qk_arbmdw ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another folly to soon end
Allthat means is that the 20% ethanol they mandated will have to be more expensive. --R On 7/15/11 7:47 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: By Bill Mattos Special to The Bee Published: Friday, Jul. 15, 2011 - 12:00 am | Page 17A The U.S. Senate recently voted 73-27 in favor of an amendment by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to eliminate the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit, or VEETC, and repeal the import tariff on foreign ethanol. The amendment was identical to the Ethanol Subsidy and Tariff Repeal Act, which was introduced by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., and Feinstein in May. Today's overwhelming vote shows a bipartisan consensus to repeal irresponsible ethanol subsidies and tariffs, Feinstein said at the time. The 73 votes sent a powerful message that the days of big subsidies for ethanol are coming to a close. We must be serious about addressing the debt and deficit, and this is a good first step. The ethanol subsidy currently gives large oil companies 45 cents for every gallon of ethanol they blend with gasoline, even though much of that use is mandated by law. If the subsidy would have been repealed by July 1, as the amendment calls for, it would save approximately $2.7 billion for the remainder of 2011. The ethanol tariff comprises a 54-cent-per-gallon secondary tariff and a 2.5 percent ad valorem tax. The ethanol tariff makes the United States more dependent on foreign oil by increasing the price of imported ethanol. Ethanol is the only industry I know of that receives a triple crown of government support: its use is mandated by law, it enjoys protective tariffs and oil companies receive federal subsidies to use it, Feinstein added. These flawed policies, which cost taxpayers nearly $6 billion a year, must be changed. Right after this vote, the House of Representatives introduced a similar bill, led by Rep. Wally Herger, R-Chico, to do just about the same thing as passed in the Senate. Chickens, turkeys, ducks and other poultry are fed a diet of 70 percent to 90 percent corn; it's a major energy source for the welfare of our birds. The dairy and cattle industries also feed huge amounts of corn to their animals to keep them healthy and robust. Nearly all the ethanol produced in this country is distilled from corn. The demand for corn for ethanol is a major factor for the increasing corn prices that has poultry companies spending three times as much for corn as they did in 2006, when the ethanol industry's demand really kicked in. California's family-owned poultry companies are spending $300 million more for corn today than they did last year. Consumers won't and can't pay enough to fund this outrageous increase in corn prices. With 40 percent of the corn crop going to ethanol instead of food, prices to farmers are putting many of them out of business. Food prices will also continue to go up, and we attribute much of these increases to a federal policy that must change. While we are supportive of the Senate's recent actions, we must be diligent to see these changes enacted – and soon. The Senate vote was only a primer for what's to come, since any legislation like this must originate in the House before the Senate can do anything. Their historic vote was huge for the anti-corn ethanol folks, like us, which is why we now see the House looking to do much the same thing. But like everything that goes on in Washington, D.C., we must be as vigilant as ever and continue to let our leaders know how important this is to animal agriculture, the food industry and the consumers who rely on food throughout the world. If you are concerned about jobs, then you should be with us in trying to eliminate these subsidies. These corn subsidies have got to go and not soon enough. But I urge you to send a note to your member of Congr ess, thank both Sens. Feinstein and Barbara Boxer for their work to eliminate these subsidies, and make a pest of yourself. If you are concerned about corn ethanol subsidies, don't let today go by before contacting the office of your member of Congress. Now! Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/15/377/the-time-is-ripe-to-eliminate.html#ixzz1SBdIhPqC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Any dieseling pals in the area you could share with to offset the cost of your production? Maybe get them to do the picking up for your effort in converting it into bio-D? -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:28:48 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: CAC35L=vqjrYWdcQa9Gybsx1n=78svsfnhf3yrfzbkrqoa8k...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the great input. The local Z Burger chain has a guy pick it up every Wednesday but they haven't seen him in awhile. I wonder if more frequent (2 or 3x weekly) pickups would be more appealing, although since my consumption.is probably on the order of 10 gallons/week I would probably not be able to keep up with their supplies. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons (2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go through on a consistent basis. I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Don't confuse veggie oil with bio-diesel... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:41:39 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: 1310758899.25266.2152244...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't forget to account for the increased expenses in injector and pump rebuilds. On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59 -0400, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., http://biobuddy.us.com/faq.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Delvac sale at Oreally?
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: went into O'really? the FLAPS today and they had 15W-40 Delvac 1300 oil on sale for $10 a gallon jug. Allan Streib wrote: The Delvac 1300 is not synthetic, though. Delvac-1/M1 Turbo Diesel Truck is the synthetic stuff. It's not synthetic, but it and Delo 400 are the two best dino diesel oils. According to Marshal. Yeah just wanted to clarify, because the synthetic is also called Delvac. I mostly use Delo 400 in my 617 though I recently bought M1 15w50 for the next change because it was on sale. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Delvac sale at Oreally?
Its a good conventional oil though and you're buying a gallon for just under the price of 2 quarts of M1... When I was driving my '83 240D I was using conventional oil which is something I at least think about when I buy the M1 for the '78 240D... ;) Actually when I drove the '83 240D on the last go-around I was using the cheapest conventional oil I could get which happened to be Car Quest brand. Based on the fact that nothing bad happened related to the oil (until the oil cooler line broke which I can't attribute to the oil) it was totally fine for ~25,000 miles. If I had another super-beater (I paid $400 for the car remember) I'd go the super cheap oil route again. -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:00:22 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Delvac sale at Oreally? Message-ID: m1k4bjcfp5@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: went into O'really? the FLAPS today and they had 15W-40 Delvac 1300 oil on sale for $10 a gallon jug. The Delvac 1300 is not synthetic, though. Delvac-1/M1 Turbo Diesel Truck is the synthetic stuff. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
I stand ever so humbly corrected. So when a diesel engine is under load and over fueled and makes loads of black smoke due to unburned fuel there is still an excess of air just along for the ride Sorry, with all respect, does not compute in my world of reality and diesel experience. So, if you would be so kind, splain to me just how the engine limits the fuel load based on the air charge? What, other than throttle position at the IP, limits fuel volume at the injector for each RPM of the engine? My humble understanding of physics tells me the turbo extracts heat energy from the exhaust path and converts that to mechanical energy resulting in compressing an additional air charge into the intake path. This translates into a more oxygen rich block of air in the cylinder at the compression / ignition stroke. Additional oxygen supports greater expansion and more complete burning of the fuel supplied at injection which transfers heat energy to mechanical and drives the piston down [power stroke]. More oxygen plus more fuel makes more heat energy, thus more power. To support combustion successful engine physics requires a stotsimetric (sp) ratio of 11.2 to 13.6 . Adding fuel or air outside that ratio band will fail combustion, or at least impact efficiency. Please correct me where I am wrong. It's been working for me for about 30 years now with Mechanical Unit Injection. Grant... AZ On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: G Mann wrote: With the turbo working correctly you are now getting a much increased air charge into the engine. Correct. More air in a diesel means more power with a moderate increase in fuel. Not so correct. :) Except an wide-open, max power a diesel engine always has an excess of air. The fuel injected burns only as much air as there is fuel to burn. The rest of the air is simply along for the ride. Simply stuffing more air into a diesel engine increases the effective compression ratio. This means it is able to extract a bit more mechanical force from the fuel it does burn. Running a turbo-supercharger scavenges exhaust heat to drive the intake compressor. This compressed intake air overcomes pumping losses as well as increasing the effective compression ratio. Since the exhaust heat is otherwise thrown out the tailpipe, using it is big part of where the _efficiency_ is gained. Less air ment you had to push more fuel into the combustion process to expand and drive cylinders but it's a losing combination power wise in the Suck, Squeeze, Bang, and Blow equation. No. Less air means less fuel _could_ be burned because the engine limits the fuel load based on the air charge. Less boost means lower efficiency _and_ less maximum power. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
Over-fueling makes horrendous amounts of smoke, for sure. However, unless there is a pressure driven regulator (or the fuel injection system is set to deliver way too much fuel), simply adding a turbo to a NA engine results in only a small increase in power output. The increase in efficiency is small with just one atmosphere (15 psi or so) of added intake pressure. To get more power with turbo boost it is necessary to increase the fuel delivery along with the added air, and this requires a ALDA or pressure compensated injection system of some sort (mechanical or electrical). Otherwise, adding fuel beyond the oxygen capacity of the intake charge results in LESS power due to suppressed combustion and LOTS of smoke, usually followed shortly by engine failure due to diluted oil and usually burned exhaust valves from injection fuel with them open. One of the stupid kids in my local area had a huge exhaust pipe stuck through the floor of the bed of his pickup, and overfueled it to the point that it looked like a coal fired battleship at full speed. Only lasted a few months, thank heaves, the smoke was unbelievable! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Tonight I'm a motorcycle mechanic
My wife's motorcycle hasn't been out of the garage this year, the starter was acting poorly, it would disengage as it cranked, not good and it scared the crap out of her. If you've never seen one motorcycle starters are interesting, and this one especially because it's chain drive. Its got a non-reversing (my term, I don't know the proper one) rig so it can't be driven by the crankshaft. I did some research and discovered that the problem I was having is quite common and a relatively cheap (~$20) kit replaces it. The kit has 3 springs, 3 pusher rod things and 3 cylinders. The spring pushes the pusher rod which pushes the cylinders against the starter's secondary gear's shaft (the on the other end of the before mentioned chain drive) when the engine is running the cylinders are pushed away from the shaft and the starter can't push the engine anymore. Quite a clever system and it prevents running the starter against the engine. The biggest 2 issues I had in the whole job is that 1, the last person into that part of the engine had goobered the gasket back on with RTV and 2 I couldn't get the flywheel off without a special puller ($10)... So finally tonight I had cleaned all the nasty gasket and RTV off and used the puller to remove the flywheel. I installed the starter kit and proved it works (woot!), then put a SMALL smear of grey RTV (my favorite) on the engine, then put in the gasket. Interestingly its steel, never seen that before but its a Kawasaki factory part. Then another small smear of RTV and the outer housing. Tomorrow I'll run it and see if it leaks. Normally I wouldn't use RTV but I did this job on my Honda last year and never could get it leak free without RTV. This chamber is oil filled (at least part filled) when the engine is running, I guess theres some pressure too... Anyway, not MB but quite satisfying. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
I think Philip meant that when the engine is set up correctly it won't put in more fuel than a given volume of air can support... I also think you went off the rails when you mentioned stociometric (I can't spell it either) ratios. Unfortunately I loaned my copy of the history of Rudolph Diesel's magical invention to Dwight but in the back its got quite an interesting discussion of that and the lean vs rich line on a gasser and then explaining how none of that applies to a diesel. Wish I could remember more of it. -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:39:00 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for? Message-ID: cantulyiqrkktp4+ug8-ok6fqrd11mddbbi71ytddyyaijnq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I stand ever so humbly corrected. So when a diesel engine is under load and over fueled and makes loads of black smoke due to unburned fuel there is still an excess of air just along for the ride Sorry, with all respect, does not compute in my world of reality and diesel experience. So, if you would be so kind, splain to me just how the engine limits the fuel load based on the air charge? What, other than throttle position at the IP, limits fuel volume at the injector for each RPM of the engine? My humble understanding of physics tells me the turbo extracts heat energy from the exhaust path and converts that to mechanical energy resulting in compressing an additional air charge into the intake path. This translates into a more oxygen rich block of air in the cylinder at the compression / ignition stroke. Additional oxygen supports greater expansion and more complete burning of the fuel supplied at injection which transfers heat energy to mechanical and drives the piston down [power stroke]. More oxygen plus more fuel makes more heat energy, thus more power. To support combustion successful engine physics requires a stotsimetric (sp) ratio of 11.2 to 13.6 . Adding fuel or air outside that ratio band will fail combustion, or at least impact efficiency. Please correct me where I am wrong. It's been working for me for about 30 years now with Mechanical Unit Injection. Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Subject: Re: Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Try The Yahoo list at; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Biodiesel/ Also http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieselbasics/ They have a lot of information Manfred Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:07:14 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy I am already a member but haven't received anything in eons. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
I've been known to slip off the rails on occasion, so that is possible.. ;)) Thanks, BTW. I'm going to go look up Strochometric... or however the hell you spell it and learn first how to spell it... then how it applies or not to diesel combustion. Grant... AZ On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think Philip meant that when the engine is set up correctly it won't put in more fuel than a given volume of air can support... I also think you went off the rails when you mentioned stociometric (I can't spell it either) ratios. Unfortunately I loaned my copy of the history of Rudolph Diesel's magical invention to Dwight but in the back its got quite an interesting discussion of that and the lean vs rich line on a gasser and then explaining how none of that applies to a diesel. Wish I could remember more of it. -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:39:00 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for? Message-ID: cantulyiqrkktp4+ug8-ok6fqrd11mddbbi71ytddyyaijnq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I stand ever so humbly corrected. So when a diesel engine is under load and over fueled and makes loads of black smoke due to unburned fuel there is still an excess of air just along for the ride Sorry, with all respect, does not compute in my world of reality and diesel experience. So, if you would be so kind, splain to me just how the engine limits the fuel load based on the air charge? What, other than throttle position at the IP, limits fuel volume at the injector for each RPM of the engine? My humble understanding of physics tells me the turbo extracts heat energy from the exhaust path and converts that to mechanical energy resulting in compressing an additional air charge into the intake path. This translates into a more oxygen rich block of air in the cylinder at the compression / ignition stroke. Additional oxygen supports greater expansion and more complete burning of the fuel supplied at injection which transfers heat energy to mechanical and drives the piston down [power stroke]. More oxygen plus more fuel makes more heat energy, thus more power. To support combustion successful engine physics requires a stotsimetric (sp) ratio of 11.2 to 13.6 . Adding fuel or air outside that ratio band will fail combustion, or at least impact efficiency. Please correct me where I am wrong. It's been working for me for about 30 years now with Mechanical Unit Injection. Grant... AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
The amount of fuel injected on mechanically governed engines is controlled by the governor (inside the IP as a rule) along with a mechanical over-ride to permit max fuel when the governor doesn't think it's needed. On electronically controlled engines, it's the computer. Diesel engines will NOT run reliably at low speeds or idle without a governor, it's almost impossible to manually control the fuel delivery well enough since it's just a tiny, very short duration squirt at TDC or a bit before. To get the correct fuel/air ratio under load, there must be a metering system that measures the air induction rate, either a flow meter or a pressure transducer correctly calibrated. Black smoke indicates overfueling, but it will also result from incorrect injection timing -- this is very evident in older US made diesels of all kinds due to the use of fixed injection timing set for correct timing at around 2000 rpm. Very much deviation from that rpm and the timing was seriously off -- which means under load as the gears are changed a huge cloud of black smoke from too early injection (and the horrlble sound of the engine knocking very badly) is produced until the rpm gets up to 2000. Mack and Screaming Jimmes were the worst, but they are all bad about it. Easy to tell the ones with variable timing -- not only are they quiet, but no smoke. All new engines have soot traps, and so smoke isn't usually visible. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy
Hey I have NEVER knowingly posted on Banned. I can barely survive the polite list. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: Banned is a great place for such, and today I learned that Andrew also posts there... Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Let me suggest that you folks stick to talking about MB's and leave politics alone. --R On 7/15/11 3:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Andrew's friends at the EPA are making cities clamp down on grease disposal. The city is making every food prep operation, not just restaurants, but prison, schools and hospitals, nursing homes etc. Even the neighborhood daycare, if they prepare meals... install a grease separator system to replace the relatively simple grease traps. These grease separators are thousands of dollars and there is essentially no benefit in the end, other than the grease load at the muni WWT plant is presumably lighter. The owner no longer can clean the thing themselves, but HAVE TO (all hail marx, lenin and stalin) hire an approved collection company (generally owned by guys who hire guys with dark glasses to break bones) to pick up the grease and empty these grease separators. The only way you will get used fry oil is if someone fried a turkey in the backyard, or if your community has not yet implemented these draconian measures. This has been implemented by the bummer administration to make sure that nobody can make homebrew BioD to compete with the oil companies. On the open market, Yellow grease (Used fry oil) is trading at 45 cents per pound in the east coast region.. (today's Jacobsen report) That is $3.38 per gallon for feedstock. Add $.75 per gallon for processing costs. Andrew, since you are a card carrying liberal, we know you would not dream of not paying the appropriate fuel taxes so add whatever the DC tax is, plus the federal tax. This is in the neighborhood of $.50 per gallon. Now your costs, not counting time, are $4.63 per gallon. How much are you saving? Then you need to buy a pickup to gather oil, etc, etc. And the EPA will come around and declare your backyard a hazardous waste area, and charge you with illegal disposal of hazardous waste. Add those fines and lawyer costs to your per gallon price. BTW, in small lots, you can't buy yellow grease for .45 a lb. that is for semi loads or rail car lots. STOP! (Since you asked) The chemicals are easy, before you do anything stockpile 100 gallons (2x 55 gallon drums) of the oil to prove that there are lots of sources and to prove to yourself that its something you want to go through on a consistent basis. I think you'll find your sources of fat are MUCH more limited than you previously though. Unlike what the bio-digester folks usually tell you restaurants don't usually have to pay to get rid of their fryer oil... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:59:34 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Stop me before I buy a Biobuddy Message-ID: CAC35L=tQbUeALWYynj-68aYvP1rDoswzk27t+xUohyFbADrf=q...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We own three W123 turbodiesels so this is very tempting. Cost is about $1700 + $450 more for the dry washing feature. We have lots of restaurants that probably would be happy to get rid of their fryer grease; the main snag might be the cost and ease of obtaining NAOH (caustic soda). I also wonder how much lye and water is consumed per batch, and what the brew would do to our fuel lines., _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vacuum Pressure Converter for AT - what's it good for?
To make matters yet more complicated, I drive a CA version 1985 300TD with the trap oxidizer, deigned to reduce emissions (soot). How does this factor into the equation? On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: The amount of fuel injected on mechanically governed engines is controlled by the governor (inside the IP as a rule) along with a mechanical over-ride to permit max fuel when the governor doesn't think it's needed. On electronically controlled engines, it's the computer. Diesel engines will NOT run reliably at low speeds or idle without a governor, it's almost impossible to manually control the fuel delivery well enough since it's just a tiny, very short duration squirt at TDC or a bit before. To get the correct fuel/air ratio under load, there must be a metering system that measures the air induction rate, either a flow meter or a pressure transducer correctly calibrated. Black smoke indicates overfueling, but it will also result from incorrect injection timing -- this is very evident in older US made diesels of all kinds due to the use of fixed injection timing set for correct timing at around 2000 rpm. Very much deviation from that rpm and the timing was seriously off -- which means under load as the gears are changed a huge cloud of black smoke from too early injection (and the horrlble sound of the engine knocking very badly) is produced until the rpm gets up to 2000. Mack and Screaming Jimmes were the worst, but they are all bad about it. Easy to tell the ones with variable timing -- not only are they quiet, but no smoke. All new engines have soot traps, and so smoke isn't usually visible. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Delvac sale at Oreally?
Allan, You're right. The Delvac is not synthetic, but it is better for your car. My two old 617s thrive on the dino stuff. Never had the heads off or any such work and they just keep purring along. At $9.99 a gallon, this is a great price...and your 617 will thank you :-)) Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Battery ? Alternator?
13.2v at idle is probably OK, especially if there are other loads on the battery, like AC or a cooling fan. But after 10-20 minutes at highway speed the voltage should approach 14+v unless the battery needed significant charging. By the way, 12.5v is about normal for a fully charged battery that has been off the charger for a while. Scott -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy Bennell Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT - Battery ? Alternator? My elder son is experiencing issues with his 2000 Nissan Maxima. the battery light comes on and then other miscellaneous lights come on in the dash - ck engine etc. The engine runs rough. Sounds like it may stall. Happened during the evening 2 nights ago and again last evening. I picked him up this morning and took him too work. Pulled the battery and took it home to charge. Took it back at lunchtime and re-installed it. Battery by itself read about 12.5V. Once in the car and after being started - read about 13.2V accross the terminals. My recollection is that it should be about 14.2 V if the alternator is putting out good current. The battery is one of the ones with the eye and it is not glowing like it should. Does that indicate a bad battery or perhaps just a low battery that needs more charging? Unfortunately, it is also sealed so I cannot just dip the tester in and see what it tells me. The alternator was replaced on May 14 of this year but that does not mean it could not be going bad. Any great ideas on testing to confirm whether it is alternator or the battery itself? Hopefully, I can get my younger son to come by and have a look at it tomorrow. He is a mechanic so I'll put him to work on fixing it if it needs the alternator swapped again. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
