I'm with Barb on this one.
I have only one thing to add -- another thing that creates criminals is untreated
mental illness -- what is called the functional mentally ill. Not
understanding the consequences of actions (impaired cognitive ability) and poor
impulse control as hallmarks of many
Wizard,
Since you are an admitted reformed litterer, I would be interested to know what turned
you around. Just guessing -- was
it home ownership?
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville
Formerly Seward
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Mark Dayton isn't in the best position to do anything about Victory not
being picked up by local cable and dish companies, but maybe metro
cities can do something.
There must be something in their monopoly franchise contracts with each
city that says something about maintaining an adequate level
If you know that the perpetrators of crime are coming from the suburbs, do you happen
to know what suburbs they are coming
from what the numbers are from each suburb?
It seems to me that this might be a way to deal with them. When Hubert Humphrey was
mayor his strategy was to keep his
fingers
I spent some time in a yarn shop yesterday talking to the owner about
her traffic she said the busiest time used to be people stopping on
their way home from work. However, with the bus strike the number of
people stopping has dramatically declined. She thinks that drive time
has increased due
Byerly stores also are collection points. Not sure about Lunds, but they are owned by
the same company. You could call
the Lunds in Uptown to inquire --
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I think you might be surprised see the suburban legislators supporting more transit.
My impression from reading the local press since I moved out here two years ago is
that a lot of people want transit on
the major corridors more Park Ride lots -- the ones we have look full to me
whenever I
IMHO Andy Driscoll has got it about right.
If you want to change the system and its results, here's another way to
look at it.
People typically misunderstand the strength of the system's compensating
feedback loop. (If you poke it, it crushes you with its strength).
Systems love to perpetuate
At the risk of being buried in protest, I want to support Dean
Zimmermann's vote for the access project.
Minneapolis needs jobs to stay in the city and people have to be able to
get to them in a timely and safe manner. It is simply unrealistic to
believe that all growth in Minneapolis jobs can
The founders of our park system were believers in a Transcendentalist movement that
swept the nation at that time. If I
have it right, the idea was that every citizen should remain physically close to the
natural world. By observing the
natural cycles and inter-relatedness of the natural
I recently saw an ad in the newspaper for Simon Delivers. It clearly
said you don't need Internet access -- just call the number and they
will set you up. If delivery were the issue, why wouldn't this already
be working? Disclaimer: I have never used Simon Delivers, so I have no
idea about
Maybe we should just take Jennings at his word -- dealing with this was
taking his time and attention away from the work he really wants to do
-- close the achievement gap between poor minority and white
students. By withdrawing he can concentrate on that work, which is why
he took the job in
I saw Johnny Cash at the State too. The opening act was the Jayhawks I thought they
were awful. Apparently, I am the
only one who thought so -- they are a big hit now. Johnny apparently saw the talent I
couldn't.
He gave an awesome performance. What I remember most is that I took my
I think Mork is on to something here.
One of the things that always jumped out at me when I shopped at Cub @ 27th and
Lake was the ambiance of being in a big city -- because of the heterogenousness
(is that a word?) of the clientele. I mean, Cub ain't no Lund's. Entirely
different shopping
Just to clarify, I am not against protesting and/or demonstrations. I don't want
the police to arrest people in order to pay for the cost of the demonstration.
I want police to arrest people for UNLAWFUL acts (not shouting, just for
emphasis). If there is damage from these unlawful acts then
I agree with the snippet below. Demonstrators (on both sides) should
pay for any extraordinary policing and/or clean up needs. All
demonstrations should have permits. The same goes for rioters, looters,
etc. Restitution is a venerable practice.
Does anyone know what fines for demonstrations
I used to own a duplex in Seward and the law -- as I understood it -- for the
whole city (it does not exempt student housing whether it is near the U, or not)
is that you cannot have more than 3 unrelated people in any one unit. As for
boarding houses, there are still a few of them that are
IF you assume that suburbanites are mostly Republican, I can tell you that I
have overheard more than once people talking about Eat Street in South
Minneapolis. The gist is -- a really fun place with atmosphere because of all
the ethnic eateries, and lots of normal looking people on the streets
What with cuts in LGA, homelessness, poor economy and everything else, I
scoured the newspaper this morning looking for some good news. I
challenge the rest of you to post some good stuff to the list over the
next couple of days too.
First of all, it looks like there are several developers
Some write of the local demonstration against war as if it were solely a
Minneapolis event. I question that even the majority of the people marching came
from Minneapolis. I think the majority were probably from the wider metro area,
although the leadership probably reside in Minneapolis. Is it
Jim,
You write of council members who are in favor of concentration of poverty and
discrimination against certain neighborhoods. Which council members are these?
Is there a clear-cut difference on this issue amongst council members? If there
is, why aren't you naming names?
Barbara Nelson
I think you are posing the right questions and a productive approach to engaging
the suburbs in a dialogue about what is best for the region. This probably
isn't the only way for sanity to prevail at the legislature as local aidcuts are
made, but it certainly is an attractive way to begin.
I
Kudos to all involved with this. In my view, this is a community-building effort,
especially on the volunteer side of things.
A question: If this is to become an annual event will it be timed to coincide with
the end of St. Paul's Winter Carnival as it was this year? One could see this as a
Those of you who think that only rich people live in the suburbs may
be surprised to learn that some people moved to the suburbs, or stay in
the suburbs, to FIND affordable housing. They cannot afford a house in
Minneapolis, although they would love to.
It may also interest some of you to know
I sat on a board with Steve Cramer when he was on the City council of what was
the first SLR (supportive living residence) for the homeless. He was on the
committee I chaired so I saw quite a bit of him. I also went with him to many
corporations and foundations begging for money for a promising,
I can see why residents want market-rate housing in their neighborhoods. I
would too. Why is it contradictory to have market-rate housing that is also
affordable?
When you wrote of affordable housing, you did not specify what you meant by
affordable. The affordable housing they are building
The more I think about these properties, the more I believe that where there's a
will, there's a way. For example, how about a little creative financing to make
houses on these lots affordable?
Here's one idea:
The city could lend a prospective owner a reasonable portion of the downpayment
Don't we already have the kind of surveillence of places that are likely spots
for violent crimes to be committed? I'm speaking, of course, about convenience
stores. Sure, those places are private property, the cameras installed by
owners/renters, but it's basically the same thing. We also have
Did the good police lieutenant say anything about using technology to catch
traffic scofflaws?
I love the idea of having a camera take pictures of red-light runners and
sending them the bill + photo in the mail. Fine with me if it gets sent to the
holder of the vehicle's registration even if
Went downtown for the Hollidazzle Parade and dinner with a friend, and
it was
marvelous. We were down in front of The Local and there were a number
of people
who came out of the pub when the first float appeared, so the crowd was
about 4
deep on both sides of the street. The people in the parade
Let's hear it for Gary Bowman. He's right on.
The trouble with talking about landlords in general is that there are many
scales of operation, both for- and non-profit, and many motivations for owning
income property, hence a wide variance in operations and ultimately, in
profitability. I'd be
This is very interesting. What dept. does the Minnesota Gang Strike Force come out of
-- is it the Dept.
of Public Safety, Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, or some other?
May I ask if there is more purpose to these meetings than making an announcement and
perhaps letting the
community vent?
ODE TO METRO GOVERNMENT
Minneapolis purists cries we hear,
The biliousness is loud and clear.
You use our parks and then don't pay,
For you we build the d*mn freeways.
Suburbanites, we hate you all!
Polluting with your traffic crawl.
Fie on you! We take an oath --
We will contain your overgrowth.
Several list members have suggested that there be more enforcement of laws re
the drug trade. One even suggests that there is a lawsuit in the making re
public officials' neglect of enforcement of State laws and the Minneapolis
Charter.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but earlier this year wasn't there
I have to agree with Mike Hohmann. I have long supported the
decriminalization
of drugs. They tried it in Switzerland -- they gave free drugs to
anyone who
wanted them for as long as they wanted them. In the beginning addicts
were
lined up for the free drugs. Then, guess what happened? Drug
Wizard --
Does your block club (if you have one) have any strategies for dealing with the
neighbors?
How about the neighborhood organization?
In short, is there any support out there for those who must endure, close up,
the social impact of gangs?
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville
Once and future
I'm a bit surprised that there hasn't been much discussion of this topic
on the list in the wake of Tyesha Edwards death.
First of all, let me thank the police and praise them for their
outstanding work in this case. Now, it will be time to watch the courts
and see what happens to the alleged
I'm all for fun with names or words of any sort. I had the same results you had
with these additions from my spellchecker (Netscape):
Zerby = Zebra
Biernat = Burnt
Rybak = Rebook, Rebate
with one addition: ;-)
Brauer = Briar, Bracer, Braver, Bragger, Barer, Barber, Barker, barter, barrier,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the original goal of the NRP was to
maintain/upgrade the housing stock in Minneapolis and to prevent further
deterioration. Hence the requirement that 50% of the funds be spent on
housing.
I know in Seward part of the money was used to buy blighted
Great post, Mike. Will any of these machinations help move the development at
53rd and Lyndale forward, or are they going to be too late for that? What's
your guesstimate of the time elapsed before these new,
affordable-housing-friendly rules are in effect?
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville
Once and
There has been so much negativity re the police on the List, I thought I
would just point out how they captured the Eagan rapist in North
Minneapolis this weekend and send out a great big 'atta boy/girl. Good
work all around, nary a shot fired and collaboration with the
neighbors. WTG.
Barbara
That Cub was in my former neighborhood, and I couldn't agree with you more -- I
could not STAND to shop there it was so dirty and picked over at all times of the
day. However, the Rainbow across the street is a great deal better, plus you could
get smaller packages -- a must for a single like me.
I think it would be great if some of the sports stars, who are role models to
the young people in the area, and who make those big-buck salaries, either as a
group or as individuals made major donations to the Minneapolis Library
Building Fund. Just think of the wonderful message that would send
Jim Mork writes:
Minneapolis streets are WAY too narrow for the two-sided parking which
is the norm.
I beg to differ. Have you ever been in a European city? Those streets
were built for horse-drawn carriages and yet they manage to be two-way.
However, don't stick your arm out the window, it
I would question whether or not hospital emergency rooms are equipped to deal
with the mentally ill in crisis. I read an article about this in the paper a
few months ago. Granted, hospital personnel don't shoot people, but they don't
necessarily know how to treat a mental health crisis either.
I saw some on the windshield at 9:30 a.m. on 35W. There oughtta be a
law
against this -- it's too early!
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville
Once and future Minneapolitan
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Speaking of the handicapped and the current or new Twins' stadium:
Something should be done about those who are handicapped and not in
wheelchairs. I have a friend who is 74, never misses a Twins game -- a HUGE
fan. Several times I have offered to take her to a Twins game and she has
always
Now that is a very cool idea! Why not have a Minneapolis walk-of-fame in
front of the Hard Rock Cafe on Block E? Since we are the music center of the
Midwest and have lots of musicians that have gone global, I think we have
plenty to toot our horn about. (How's that for a metaphor?) It would
What do you mean by ambulance accessible, Wizard? Isn't that a basic
requirement for all housing? And, if it isn't why isn't it? Isn't that why we
have parking restrictions in the winter -- so that all buildings in the city are
accessible to emergency vehicles?
I thought I read somewhere that
I agree, you have to think regionally.
Surprised no one mentioned this so far. Take your kids to the Minnesota
Zoo. The place is absolutely lousy with kids and their moms all year 'round,
but especially in the winter. Savvy families buy a membership and then
whenever the kids get restless,
Sorry about this.
Barbara
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What the voters said was that they didn't want the city to spend more than
$10 million on getting a new stadium. That's not the same as not wanting a
stadium built in Minneapolis, if a stadium is going to be built somewhere.
As RT said last night, (paraphrasing) it will be millions less
I want to endorse everything Dean Carlson says in his post, with one addition.
I would put a sunset on the 11-county sales tax.
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville
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Fianally got a chance to read your post. Good job -- comprehensive too. Just
one thing, Mike. Having been involved in a change effort inside a 5,000
employee government agency (actually, leading it, along with the top
bureaucratic management as well as the politically appointed head of the
Peter, I think you reached the right conclusion. My posts pointed out the
questionable nature of the analysis the Park Board used to justify its
purchase. There was no rebuttal of the points that I made. While I
questioned assumptions and methodology, other posters pointed out the
specific
I tell you, having recently moved to a suburb from Minneapolis, it's
tough to get used to the city services out here. Can you believe this?
I recently had a new furnace and AC installed. A few days afterward I
got a note from the installer saying I should call this number to
schedule an
Having looked at the financial analysis given to the board, it is my
opinion that it is
methodologically flawed. The standard, widely accepted, way to evaluate
alternative uses of money in the future is to use a Discounted Cash Flow
analysis and to look at the Net Present Value to see if it is
I saw a piece on the vulnerability of our local water supply (specifically
they mentioned Mpls., St. Paul and New Brighton) on some local TV station
(can't remember which one) and, as I recall, it said that Mpls. water is
tested 98 times per minute to make sure it is okay and if it isn't there is
Jason Goray writes:
What I want is greater accountability and transparency
from any who make decisions for the public or have
positions of power. I expect policy makers to make
decisions that are well reasoned, consider all facts
available, are in the public interest, and do not
contain the
Have to second (or is it third) this posting. Mental illness is a city issue, and
not only among the homeless. Awareness of mental illness is a huge problem, as
evidenced in the police behavior over the past year, but also in many of our daily
lives. Folks just don't know how to recognize it
I'm trying hard to find a way to respect the decision the Park Board made to
over ride Mayor Rybak's veto. What I'm interested in knowing is whether or not
the Park Board asked for a new finanical analysis after it was pointed out on
the list by Mike Hohmann that their first report did not use a
Tim Connolly said that he observed that the storm sewers in Phillips were all blocked
with debris
(not litter) along 26th Street -- and that they were magically clear as soon as he
hit Whittier
and westward. He also guessed that the storm sewers were clear in Seward and wondered
if this was
Schapiro wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any talk about creating the
position of City Manager...? ... Barbara Nelson
So, if others think it worthy of discussion, and as Lisa
McDonald notes, it would take a charter change, the question
is, how do we begin the conversation before
When I worked at Mn/DOT, many moons ago, I was told that the research
showed that the difference in traffic would be 2%. Everybody wants
light rail
to get drivers off the road, but it turns out that it is always other
drivers, not themselves, who are expected to ride the rails.
Barbara Nelson
Does anyone know if there is any talk about creating the position of City
Manager anywhere in the current governace structure? If we are the only city in
the entire country that McKinsey found with a weak mayor-strong council WITHOUT
a City Manager maybe we should take a look at other cities
Excuse my ignorance, but what, exactly, is a decked freeway? Does this turn
them into tunnels? Is it just simply putting a lid on top of the freeways and
then soil and sod? If this was done, who would own that space? Does it become
the State's or would it belong to Minneapolis, or perhaps the
My son lived in a duplex near 24th and Clinton. The estranged husband of the
woman upstairs threw a molotov cocktail on the front porch one night about 3
a.m. Fortunately, both my son and his roommate worked at bars and arrived home
only about 1/2 hour before then and the roommate smelled
To clarify my earlier post, I did not mean to imply that the Mpls Police are
useless. Over the years I have had several positive experiences with them
too. One thing I will say about Minneapolis police force: they have been
unfailingly polite to me (a middle aged white person), unlike the St.
JIM GRAHAM WROTE: I guess the
Corporate Partners are only interested in the Corporate Interests
south of 24th Street and be damned to the rest.
You may be right about that, Jim, but there are other possibilities.
Perhaps
they realize the limitations of their perspective? Perhaps they see
Hooray for this! I hope the Twins don't ink a deal with St. Paul and
that the legislature gets the chance to improve last year's legislation
so that a city (any city) doesn't have to bear the cost of a new
ballpark all by its lonesome self. There is a good explanatory
editorial in today's paper
I second what Wizard said. Just as price is not based on cost + some percent profit
(price is based on demand), salary is not based on what it takes to survive. Salary
is also based
on demand.
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville
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It isn't illegal to drive slowly or to pull over -- for a few moments,
not to park -- to sight-see on any road, except freeways, as far
as I know. We used to call people who did this "Sunday drivers".
Aggravating as it might be to those of us in a hurry to get somewhere,
illegal it is not
A different take on water quality --
When I moved out to Burnsville after living in Minneapolis for 17 years
I thought the water tasted terrible. The Culligan people I had out to
test my water told me that Minneapolis has some of the best water in the
state as far as part per million, and it is
Re the two posts about the potential problem of people crossing the
revamped intersection at Nicollet and Lake:
When I was in Rochester last week, I noticed that on a semaphore near
the Mayo Clinic they have a different walk/don't walk signal. This
one shows the seconds you have to cross the
Brian, Michael and Andy make good points about 1) the advantages of numbered
seats, and 2) the advantages of mixing at-large representation with alley
representation.
What would it take to make these changes to the Mpls School Board?
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville (you can take the girl out of the
Today while walking around Lake of Isles I saw two muskies poke their
heads out of the water momentarily. Beautiful! Coincidentally, it was
right near the sign on the east side of the lake that says there are
muskelunge in these waters. No kidding.
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville, but still walking
Someone asked for people's favorite examples of public art in Minneapolis.
Mine is the moving sculpture of the fish across from the north side of Lake
Calhoun in front of the Lake Pointe Corporate Center. I believe this sculpture
was originally comissioned for an Uptown Art Fair a few years
Why can't we just view the statue of Mary Richards as a current version of
Americana -- much like Norman Rockwell's Saturday Evening Post covers were in
their time? These, by the way, are now a traveling exhibit from New York's
Metropolitan Museum of Art (one of the great museums and arbiters of
Chris L Beckwith wrote:
I guess the question is:
can a moderate-sized grocery store operate
profitably these days? This I don't know...
Chris Beckwith
Ward 6
The Riverside Market in Seward is one such store that has been in existence
for several decades and has a loyal clientele --
I saw in Saturday's paper that the compromise was enacted by the City
Council. I applaud them for the new law, which is much more reasonable
than the old one was and manages to keep the critical pieces -- issues
related to health and safety -- intact and enforceable. Also, switching
the
Mike,
When I worked at Mn/DOT I asked this question and the answer was that it
is not
cost effective to have volunteers do the work. Moreover, this is one of
the
tasks that occupies the Mn/DOT workers who are occupied with snow
removal in the
winter. This is their summer work.
The state-run
When you're talking income for a disabled person, you're usually talking
social security disability. The amount you get depends on your lifetime
(thus far) wages. I'm not sure of the average, but my observation is the
amount a person gets is usually under $1000/month, mostly around
Eva Young sez:
Also, Minneapolis gets screwed in State Government because we have a one
party strategy -- so when DFLers lose, Minneapolis loses. We need to
break
that -- the fate of our city shouldn't depend on the fate of the DFL.
Barbara sez: AMEN to that!!
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville
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Kudos to RT for his approach to the upcoming budget. To quote Rodney King (in
part), his success will depend on how well we all get along. Given the
Council's penchant for independence, as demonstrated in the recent police chief
brouhaha this should make for entertaining viewing. One question,
I read in the paper this morning where President Bush has come out in
support of the Domenici-Wellstone bill that would expand coverage of
mental health benefits. This could make a great deal of difference in
preventing homelessness. It also could go a long way in detering
substance abuse. I
Bob Velez wrote:
It is my
belief that when 'outsiders' are elected or appointed at these upper levels
as opposed to recruiting from within, the result is a bunch of
opportunitsts looking for a golden parachute rather than folks invested in
the success of whatever office or program that they
If I read Annie's chart correctly, the official ice out date for Calhoun
was 4/15. That means that Terrell Brown is the only one to predict it
accurately.
Sorry for the confusion, but the Strib reported the ice out date as 4/14
and we had an eyewitness report that said the same. However, I
Well, . . . I guess we can take your word for it, Mike, unofficial as it
is. Especially because that makes me a winner. ;-) The
winners (if Sunday is the date) are Mike, Mel Gregerson and myself.
I think there was something mentioned about the losers buying the
winners a drink ... So, if you all
Just so everybody's got the same information, I have been informed off list by a
librarian that:
Average ice-out dates for Minneapolis-area lakes is April
10-20, according to the April 6th, 1997 ed. of the Star Tribune.
There is no prize -- but if those of us participating want to meet and buy
We're talking Lake Calhoun.
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Does anyone know the average ice-out dates for the City's lakes?
I have walked around Harriet, Lake of the Isles and Calhoun within the
last week and the thin ice signs are out all over the place. It would
be fun to have a pool to guess the correct date this year.
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville
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I think this thread is great! I believe some of my fondness for Minneapolis
stems from spending time downtown as a kid with my grandmother, who lived and
worked at the Minneapolis Club. I thought her little apartment there was so
cool, especially all the sirens that woke me up at night when I
To me, the one part of this post that sticks out like a sore thumb is the
following:
Our neighborhood board has housing guidelines requiring 30 percent of
any new more-than-duplex development be rentable at 30% of MMI, 30
percent at 50% MMI, and the rest market rate. Otherwise, we don't
I realize we have a free press and everyone has the right to their opinion,
but why does a newspaper publish this kind of screed? I'd be interested to
hear from the editors and newspaper folks on the list for the thinking behind
a decision of this nature.
Barbara Nelson
Burnsville
A few weeks ago I was watching Larry King and his guest was Judy Scheindlin -- Judge
Judy. This was right before the arrest of the neighbor of the little girl who was
kidnapped and murdered in San Diego. King asked her for her thoughts about placing
sex offenders back into society, based on
I, too, believe that there is a higher number of scofflaws than those who
actually do pay for parking at the parks. However, I have seen enforcement of
the pay boxes at the Wabun parking lot at the Minnehaha Falls park. Since I
have always paid, it was heartening to see those two spot checks
Thanks to John Erwin for the update and to Annie Young for drawing public
attention to this issue. Now that we know that Dairy Queen will not be
operating the concession stands and that the stands were (are) losing money
as they are presently operated, does this mean the stands will be closed
Does this mean no more Bomb Pops? :-( Does this mean the little push
carts
selling treats will be passe? Say it ain't so!!!
It would be preferable to have a mom and pop shop for nostalgic reasons,
but on
the other hand with Dairy Queen there would be a known product that
meets
quality
I've been reading about Chicago's experiment in reading together as a
community building exercise. Now other cities are thinking about doing
the same.
For those of you who missed it, a while back the mayor asked all
Chicogoans to read a book during the same week -- the book selected was
To Kill
I have to disagree that there aren't ANY shops at 38th that a
suburbanite would frequent. I'd say the barbeque on the NE corner of
the intersection is worth driving some distance for -- I used to trek
over there regularly from Seward just for the barbeque, and I plan to
pick up to-go
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