RE: Wiki for the project - wiki.services.openoffice.org provenance

2011-06-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
There are two pages that caught my attention immediately on visiting http://wiki.services.openoffice.org. There is this one: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Wiki:Copyrights. And that leads to this interesting one:

RE: Wiki for the project

2011-06-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It strikes me that there are two different wikis being talked about right now. One is one that we need in the podling for incubation activities. The other(s) are wikis that are part of the OpenOffice.org infrastructure for a variety of purposes and may be public facing in different ways. I'm

RE: Subversion Git (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
My impression, and it is only an impression, is that SVN is more transparent and the web interfaces for it are valuable as part of that. One problem with how I see git/hg being used is that work happens substantially out of view and there is a secondary process for pushing/pulling changes.

RE: Subversion - Seeding incubator/openofficeorg/ please

2011-06-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I haven't figured out how one creates a new subtree on SVN (e.g., the missing https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/openofficeorg/ repository) without being a committer on the parent part of the tree (i.e., incubator). Would someone who is able to do so please create the openofficeorg

RE: Wiki for the project

2011-06-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Um, so where would that and other thoughts be on-topic? I have many thoughts about on-/off-line help bridging too. Is this the ooo-issues list. (I really must catch up on my reading of the groundrules here.) I take it that the on-line help is under Oracle copyright and can be/has been

RE: Wiki for the project

2011-06-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:apa...@robweir.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:35 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Wiki for the project On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: It strikes me that there are two

RE: Wiki for the project - wiki.services.openoffice.org provenance

2011-06-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
: Wiki for the project - wiki.services.openoffice.org provenance On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 13:37, Frank Peters frank.thomas.pet...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 14.06.2011 18:05, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: There are two pages that caught my attention immediately on visiting http

RE: Wiki for the project - wiki.services.openoffice.org provenance

2011-06-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Ah, so it is handled as a category. Nice. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Frank Peters [mailto:frank.thomas.pet...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 06:41 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: f...@openoffice.org Subject: Re: Wiki for the project -

RE: Podling website - Synchronicity

2011-06-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think there needs to be something at the web page, even if an indirect to the fledgling podling status page at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html. Anything better than this space intentionally left blank for now. - Dennis ANECDOTAL EXPERIENCE That's funny. I have

RE: Speaking of JIRA, Where's Ours?

2011-06-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. And there is no such thing as project lead at Apache. Everybody is a peer. Cheers, -g On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 22:34, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I notice that there is no JIRA Incubator Project for OpenOffice yet. Something the project lead does? (Now we get to find out

RE: [discuss] remove of binfilter module

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 (And I am very much in favor of seeing a thriving import-export and preservation business. I suspect it will be good to factor this way, both for attention on core essentials and also to minimize dependencies across the code body. And simplifying the attention and learning curve of

RE: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 (Workforces might not be a good term. I can see specialized lists for addressing particular subject areas that have their own specialized traffic, but it is careful to avoid suggesting organizational division when what we are doing is filtering traffic. There are other ways to do that,

RE: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals)

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 (I also favor not solving a problem we don't have [yet].) -Original Message- From: IngridvdM [mailto:ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 04:15 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Teams and Leads (was: Proposed short term goals) Am 16.06.2011 13:00,

RE: Teams and Leads - where leadership lives (sermonette warning)

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think we should take Greg literally on this. There has been more discussion, and I see us coming together. And there is work for us to do in fostering leadership and having a successful and fulfilling project. - Dennis SERMONETTE I know, in my case, this will take some awkward and

RE: Teams and Leads

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 -Original Message- From: Jomar Silva [mailto:homem...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 16:04 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Teams and Leads On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: [ ... ] 2) Have the national language projects run

RE: Subversion history

2011-06-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 -Original Message- From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 16:56 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Subversion history On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 19:00, Tor Lillqvist t...@iki.fi wrote: If you want the older binary releases, then make a

RE: Help integration (was What do we do at Apache versus what do we do elsewhere?)

2011-06-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
There's an intermediate case: There is also on-line versions of the help files and, in the LibreOffice distributions I've been testing with, those are used if the separately-downloadable off-line help is not installed. (The OOo-dev 3.4 beta install that I have seems to have only the

RE: Podling website - Access Denied

2011-06-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I thought I'd try adding site/ at the ooo/ tree as a test (using Tortoise SVN and having already done an SVN checkout). On the commit, I was prompted for my user ID (orcmid) and my password, but I got Error: access to '/repos/asf/!svn/ver/1135683/incubator/ooo' forbidden I am using

RE: User facing web items - IP concerns

2011-06-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
My nosing around so far leads me to believe that this is like the response to the Facebook relationship question: It's complicated. Until Facebook, I had no idea how many people said that about their relationships. Some sites have explicit CC-share-alike content, some have code that is

RE: Subversion history

2011-06-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 -Original Message- From: Simon Phipps [mailto:si...@webmink.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 13:46 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Subversion history On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 19:00, Tor Lillqvist

RE: Native Language vs l10n

2011-06-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[mailto:khir...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 13:50 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Native Language vs l10n Hi Dennis and all, I would like to answer Dennis' questions :) On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: On ooo-dev we

OT: Orcmido-san

2011-06-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
://people.apache.org/committer-index.html orcmid, Dennis E. Hamilton. I may write emails to you starting with: Hi orcmid san Hi Dennis san Hi E. san HI Hamilton san :) But you see, orcmid doesn't sound to me, I think, or does it sound? How about E., does it sound, ee period? :) Dennis san and Hamilton san

RE: OT: Orcmido-san

2011-06-18 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
is melodic and gentle to me. Not sure if the same to Japanese. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 18:57 To: 'ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org' Cc: 'Kazunari Hirano' Subject: OT: Orcmido-san [ ... ] If I

RE: Oh, let's not forget @openoffice.org too

2011-06-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I'd say, generally, that this is partly a vanity/affinity e-mail domain, just as The Documentation Foundation is preparing to do for libreoffice.org (although I think you'll have to be a TDF Member to get one, not sure how high that bar will be). It's like my @acm.org, @computer.org (when I

RE: Oh, let's not forget @openoffice.org too

2011-06-20 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
To add to what Drew says, The Forum software also provides a cloaked e-mail interface on the profile pages of members. That is, there is a link to create an e-mail and the forum sends it to the registered e-mail address. - Dennis -Original Message- From: drew

RE: Some more strange files in the OOo code - the Ghost of ODMA Past

2011-06-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Oh dear, my past comes along to haunt me. If you go to the home page, http://odma.info, you'll see that the other Downloads link is to ODMA License 1.0 (modeled on the BSD License). If you look in the lower right hand corner of the license page, you'll know why I should be hiding behind the

Licensing odma.h (was RE: Some more strange files in the OOo code - the Ghost of ODMA Past)

2011-06-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
that improving WebDAV and introducing CMIS support should have higher priority than fixing ODMA. - Kai. On 21.06.11 11:19, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Oh dear, my past comes along to haunt me. If you go to the home page, http://odma.info, you'll see that the other Downloads link is to ODMA License 1.0

RE: Licensing odma.h (was RE: Some more strange files in the OOo code - the Ghost of ODMA Past)

2011-06-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Subject: Re: Licensing odma.h (was RE: Some more strange files in the OOo code - the Ghost of ODMA Past) Hi, On 22.06.11 11:09, Mathias Bauer wrote: Hi Dennis, On 22.06.2011 04:20, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: The ODMA Support showed up in the Novell editions of OpenOffice.org. I don't think

RE: An svn question

2011-06-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The separate Hg repositories could go into separate sub-project branches if that is more convenient for bringing them over. My sense is that once they are in Subversion, it is relatively easy to massage them or consolidate into a composite project tree (by SVN copying) that is where any

ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review, prerequisite for balloting as OASIS Standard

2011-06-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Details here: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/201106/msg00061.html This is a public review. From the announcement, which provides all details on locating the specification and background on the process: Comments may be submitted to the TC by any person through the use of the OASIS

About apache.org E-mail Addresses/Aliases

2011-06-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
for the initial committers of the incubator podling. All initial committers start out as if there has already been a vote to invite them. - Dennis E. Hamilton BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHAT TO EXPECT AS AN INITIAL COMMITTER 1. After your iCAL has been received and registered, you will be invited to specify one

RE: [PATCH] Corrected two typos on website

2011-06-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It helps if patches are in-line in the mail note. (That way, EOL differences are compensated for and those of us with an MS-DOS mentality don't have to save the attachment to disk to find a way to view it correctly.) - Dennis PS: I guess I should find a way to change my default *.txt viewer

RE: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS

2011-06-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
the wrath of bottom-posting-vigilantes and the in-line-posting-hideen. -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 15:38 To: 'ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org' Subject: RE: Contributors versus Committers versus PMC members - AND USERS

2011-06-24 PPMC Status: Bringing Initial Committers On-Board

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. - Dennis E. Hamilton

[REQUEST] Initial Committers Please Confirm PPMC Participation.

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
...@incubator.apache.org. For more information on PPMC activities and responsibilities, see http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html and http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html. - Dennis E. Hamilton

RE: [PATCH] Corrected two typos on website

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
, June 25, 2011 04:37 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Corrected two typos on website On Jun 25, 2011 5:58 AM, Dick Groskamp th.grosk...@quicknet.nl wrote: Op 24-6-2011 23:39, Dennis E. Hamilton schreef: It helps if patches are in-line in the mail note. (That way, EOL

RE: [REQUEST] Initial Committers Please Confirm PPMC Participation.

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-Original Message- From: imacat [mailto:ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 07:42 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [REQUEST] Initial Committers Please Confirm PPMC Participation. On 2011/06/25 15:46, Dennis E. Hamilton said: Initial committers who have been set up

INITIAL COMMITTERS: WAITING for Your ID? Where's Your CLA?

2011-06-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Initial Committers for the Apache OpenOffice.org podling are those individuals listed as Initial Committers on the incubator proposal immediately before voting to accept the incubator proposal started: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207. There is a FAQ

[REQUEST] No more changes to Incubator Proposal Please

2011-06-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The current version of the Incubator Proposal is currently stable as it was at the conclusion of the voting to accept the Podling into the Incubator Project. http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal. Earlier today, a small change to the page led to the Initial Committer table being

INVITED/INITIAL COMMITTERS: I sent in my iCLA, Now Where's My ID?

2011-06-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
SHORT VERSION After the iCLA is registered for an Invited/Initial Committer, there will be an e-mail about establishing an Apache user name. Creation of the Apache ID is initiated by reply to that e-mail. If you believe you should have received such an e-mail by now, first check the Long

PPMC Box Score: What does PPMC? Mean

2011-06-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
When an Invited/Initial Committer is setup for the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling, the next stage is to track them with regard to having joined the Poddling PMC if they are also invited to be on the PPMC (as all Initial Committers and Invitees are at this time). Sometimes it is simply unclear

RE: Source format for user guides

2011-06-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I'm only going to step into the middle of this for a second and then make a hasty withdrawal. Please keep them CC-BY. That is permissive. CC-SA is like a copyleft, and you already handle that with dual licensing if that is what you continue to do. You could also use ALv2 since it is more

RE: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I support this idea. I think with regard to need for an SGA or not, there is the matter of the current headings at the tops of source files. (I have no idea what is required, I'm simply observing what is there.) - Dennis

RE: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal

2011-06-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
These things (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_POI#History_and_roadmap) just make me cringe. At least Charles Simonyi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Simonyi)has the consolation of traveling into space (twice!) and various philanthropic activities. I assume, when speaking of an OLE2

RE: Differences between OOO and LibreOffice.

2011-06-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
-dev@incubator.apache.org; giffu...@tutopia.com Subject: Re: Differences between OOO and LibreOffice. On 30 June 2011 07:10, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Umm, 100% fidelity to/of what? I would love to understand the qualifications that attach to that statement, and how

Discretionary ODF Provisions and Implementation Notes (was RE: Differences between OOO and LibreOffice.)

2011-07-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think it is foolish to assign a metric to compatibility between OOO and LibreOffice, and particularly between either and ODF. If the 1% matters to me, it can be a show-stopper for my interoperability needs. The larger the take-up of *Office.org, the greater the number of folks impacted by

RE: OOO and LibreOffice (and common interests).

2011-07-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Probably the first time for Apache/OOo folk and TDF folk to talk together will be in conjunction with the Berlin Plugfest, July 14-15. I can imagine common cause around how discretionary provisions of ODF are handled in the implementations and how the implementation-dependent variability is

Uh oh: OpenOffice.org XML Namespaces and Sun Mediatypes

2011-07-03 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It just occurred to me that a place for some sort of common agreement, and publication of what they mean, are the OpenOffice.org Namespaces. I assume these belong to OpenOffice.org, but governance of namespaces is odd business. These are also something to coordinate with the LibreOffice folk

RE: Releasing OOo 3.4 on the old infrastructure - Oh no, fonts

2011-07-04 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Just muddying the waters a little more, Some recent list exchanges suggest to me that the LibreOffice folks are busily getting rid of OpenSymbol (which the OpenOffice.org ODT of the ODF specifications depend on for default bullets in lists!) but probably not for the right reason: they just

When Is a Committer a Committer for Real?

2011-07-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
For Initial Committers and Invited Committers, sending in your preferred Apache User Name does not make you a committer yet. That makes your ID Pending, but your committer status is not yet set up. An e-mail from r...@apache.org (sometimes a week later) will indicate when the Apache User Name

RE: Incubator PMC/Board report for July 2011 (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org)

2011-07-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 4 July 2011 21:01, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: +1 on circulation on ooo-dev. I'm not sure which wiki you mean and whether that would limit participation or not. Sorry, I

[DISCUSS] Creation of ooo-security List

2011-07-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[I am reminded that the best way to talk to the PPMC is on ooo-dev and there is benefit in so doing. Here goes.] PROPOSAL ooo-security@incubator.a.o be set up as a private list and a selection of not more than 10 security-aware PPMC members be subscribed to it. We need to work out what the

RE: [DISCUSS] Creation of ooo-security List

2011-07-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Of Rob Weir Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 16:10 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Creation of ooo-security List On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Well, vulnerabilities are vulnerabilities

RE: [DISCUSS] Creation of ooo-security List

2011-07-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@project lists? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Daniel Shahaf [mailto:d...@daniel.shahaf.name] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 15:54 To: OOo-dev Apache Incubator Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Creation of ooo-security List Dennis E. Hamilton wrote on Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 12:02:31 -0700: I've

RE: Future of OOo

2011-07-07 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Ross, You might find some crisp talking points in the status report as well, since that text is being reviewed and will presumably be signed-off by a mentor before you embark for Berlin. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Ross Gardler [mailto:rgard...@opendirective.com] Sent:

RE: Board report

2011-07-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I left the Community section empty on my last clean-up, but I promised to add something today. When I do may last stats for how we are doing in a little while, I will indicate a brief summary on what we have accomplished in having folks on-board. Although it is tempting to talk about what

RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?

2011-07-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
For balance, I recommend lurking on [libreoffice-users] and [libreoffice-documentation]. The developers list (counterpart of ooo-dev, right down to patch pushing), [libreoffice] is part of a separate system. This list is useful, especially for the tech steering committee minutes, and it may

RE: ooo blog (was: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats?)

2011-07-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
:16 PM, Gavin McDonald wrote: -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2011 6:06 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: ooo-dev list subscriber stats? +1: - introduce an AOOo blog so that the Community can

RE: ooo blog [invitations, existing blogs]

2011-07-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
it was in the old project. BTW: What will be the URL name? So, before a name will be setup we should clarify these things first. Marcus Am 07/08/2011 11:16 PM, schrieb Gavin McDonald: -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday

2011-07-08 PPMC Status: Bringing Initial Committers On-Board

2011-07-08 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
= Pending PPMC? + complete below PENDING ACTIONS 0 invite 0 accepted? 24 iCLA? 0 choose ID 5 ID chosen? 1 ID pending 15 PPMC? 55 complete 102 total -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 19:37 To: ooo-dev

RE: Blog Created

2011-07-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Dang! Well, I just jumped right in. So, we want the blog to be the official voice of the project in some way? Is that a requirement? Is that what we want? I thought that is what web sites are for. Blogs have a different kind of voice in my experience. I have lots of outlets for blogging,

RE: Blog Created

2011-07-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2011 9:00 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; ga...@16degrees.com.au Subject: RE: Blog Created And I can confirm that it is working, the full-post Atom feed is working, and I can author from

RE: Blog Created

2011-07-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Subject: Re: Blog Created Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Dang! Well, I just jumped right in. So, we want the blog to be the official voice of the project in some way? Is that a requirement? Is that what we want? I thought that is what web sites are for. Blogs have a different kind

RE: Blog Created - Statistics

2011-07-09 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
pent-up interest or else the stats are just wacky. I don't know what to make of this. Interesting though. The numbers are going up across the board for the top 5. Europe is awake? - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent

RE: Blog Created - Institutional byline?

2011-07-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Blog Created On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: Dang! Well, I just jumped right in. So, we want the blog to be the official voice of the project in some way? I think it will be seen that way by the reader

OpenOffice.org Summit - OSCON 07/25

2011-07-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I just booked to arrive in Portland the afternoon of Sunday, July 24, returning to Seattle in the afternoon of Tuesday, July 26. I'm looking forward to meeting all who will be at OSCON for the first tutorial day, Monday, July 25. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Danese Cooper

RE: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog)

2011-07-11 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 That works for me, conceptually. I don't have any history with OpenOffice.org, the project, however, so I intend to stay neutral on how this gets thrashed out. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Carl Marcum [mailto:cmar...@apache.org] Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 16:54 To:

RE: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog) - Take care of the users!

2011-07-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 17:57 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: OpenOffice.org (was Re: Ooo blog) +1 That works for me, conceptually. I don't have any history with OpenOffice.org, the project, however, so I intend

[DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

2011-07-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
We are just one month into being the Apache OpenOffice.org Podling. It is useful to interesting to take stock of all that is happening and where we are. The main activity that we are all holding our breath over is the reconstitution of the code base under Apache. There is also concern for the

RE: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

2011-07-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
, July 12, 2011 14:34 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains Is this intended as a blog post? It reads like one. In particular I don't see any proposals to discuss. -Rob On Jul 12, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: We

RE: Commiters list and the students

2011-07-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I'm delighted to see that you are submitting your iCLA. Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, I want to point out that registration of an iCLA is a prerequisite for becoming a committer, but it is not sufficient. There must also be an invitation (which only Initial Committers have

RE: Committers and Contributors and PPMC

2011-07-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[mailto:acolor...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 12:20 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: Dennis E. Hamilton Subject: Re: Committers and Contributors and PPMC On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.namewrote: Dennis E. Hamilton wrote

RE: *Solaris support - WAS What is the advantage of the Apache OpenOffice.org Fork?

2011-07-14 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Rob's traveling, so I'll try my hand at this. (We're all new here, some are just newer than others, but someone will have had experience with the OpenOffice.org Oracle/Sun projects and may have some insight into what it takes to support Solaris distributions.) First, you're in the right place

PPMC Membership and Responsibilities

2011-07-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
PPMC Membership is by invitation. Becoming a committer is by invitation. Generally, PPMC members are committers first. For the Initial Committers and only the Initial Committers, there is an automatic invitation to become a committer and to become a PPMC member. Once the Initial Committer

RE: PPMC Membership and Responsibilities

2011-07-16 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. Just not so quickly [;). Welcome back from Mallorca! - Dennis -Original Message- From: Pavel Janík [mailto:pa...@janik.cz] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 10:32 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: PPMC Membership and Responsibilities Hi, On Jul 16, 2011, at 7:15 PM, Dennis E

RE: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC Growing Pains

2011-07-17 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Yes, and we have a way to report and track bugs and other issues here [;). - Dennis -Original Message- From: sa3r...@gmail.com [mailto:sa3r...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sam Ruby Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 14:58 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Project + PPMC

RE: single repository status

2011-07-19 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think that the desire to have a full history is a serious one. I fancy Michael's option 3 (that which shall not be numbered [;). It sounds like the least that could possibly work, so it strikes me as an important approach to consider, especially if it sheds critical path for getting the code

RE: Suggestion for OOo branding...

2011-07-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Yes, the LibreOffice icons are different. The overall theme is green, not blue. The general symbol is a page with a large corner cut and a dark corner exposed beneath. The lines and the dark corner are different colors for the different applications within LibreOffice. For larger versions

RE: Suggestion for OOo branding...

2011-07-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
... Dennis, Use the url below to see them... https://skydrive.live.com/#!/?cid=69f0fbe8e03b2c13sc=documentsnl=1uc=1id=69F0FBE8E03B2C13%211171!cid=69F0FBE8E03B2C13id=69F0FBE8E03B2C13%211172sc=documents Michael From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org To: ooo

[DISCUSS] Initial Committer: Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

2011-07-21 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
There are 20 Initial Committers on the OpenOffice.org incubator proposal who have not yet submitted iCLAs or informed us of their intention not to do so. Today I used the following format for a message to one of those Initial Committers. Before 19 more of these are sent out I wanted to check

RE: Oracle Connector for SharePoint

2011-07-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I'm not up for working on CMIS at this time, personally, but I think there is an open-source toolkit from Alfresco that might help if it is not already being used. John Newton was very keen on encouraging CMIS adoption, of course. I also agree that using the open-standards route for an adapter

RE: [DISCUSS] Initial Committer: Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

2011-07-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Initial Committer: Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status El 22/07/2011 5:10, Dennis E. Hamilton escribió: There are 20 Initial Committers on the OpenOffice.org incubator proposal who have not yet submitted iCLAs or informed us of their intention not to do so

RE: When does one become a committer?

2011-07-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
My sense is that no one is a committer for the Apache OpenOffice.org podling who has not shown up on this list: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ooo. That does not happen until after the Apache user name/ID has been issued by root@. Likewise, one is not on the PPMC until

RE: [DISCUSS] Initial Committer: Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

2011-07-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Ingrid, You can help me. I am having difficulty finding a concrete case for completely open-ended invitation of Initial Committers. Suppose you were on the Initial Committer list. You had not sent an iCLA. You had not responded to a request to take that step as part of being established as

RE: When does one become a committer?

2011-07-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I think election is an incorrect threshhold. I think the comparable state would be taking office, and that means having the Apache user name/ID and being in authz for the particular project. You can't actually perform as a committer until that has been accomplished. - Dennis Of course, my

RE: When does one become a committer?

2011-07-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: When does one become a committer? On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: I think election is an incorrect threshhold. I think the comparable state would be taking office, and that means having the Apache

RE: [DISCUSS] Initial Committer: Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

2011-07-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
- From: IngridvdM [mailto:ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 14:09 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Initial Committer: Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status Hi Dennis, Am 23.07.2011 21:35, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: Ingrid, You can help me

RE: Suggestion for OOo branding...

2011-07-23 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
What ODF Oligarchy? OASIS certainly had nothing to do with branding of OpenOffice.org and its choice of icons. The ODF TC has never been consulted on such matters. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Larry Gusaas [mailto:larry.gus...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 13:24 To:

RE: [DISCUSS] Initial Committer: Apache OpenOffice.org Initial Committer Status

2011-07-24 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Your rewording is fine with me. Thanks. And thank you for the discussion. It is important to explore all of the concerns that arise around the Initial Committer situation that we have. - Dennis -Original Message- From: IngridvdM [mailto:ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de] Sent: Sunday, July

RE: OOO340 to svn

2011-07-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
TBD = To Be Determined/Defined There was extensive discussion with Greg Stein and Marcus (and others) in previous weeks on this list. Greg's last post was July 9, as previously noted. There has been further work/discussion by Mathias Bauer, Michael Stahl, Marcus Lange, Eike Rathke, and

RE: No diff from wiki ?

2011-07-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Did you try Watch on the Tools button for the page you want to receive update notices about? - Dennis PS: Since this is an open, public wiki, I suspect there is no diffs feed. -Original Message- From: florent andré [mailto:florent.andre-...@4sengines.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 27,

Population of ooo-security

2011-07-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Now that we've confirmed that the ooo-security list exists and the three moderators appear to be subscribers, I believe the next action is to subscribe the existing OO.o/LibreOffice security folk, per

FW: OOO340 to svn

2011-07-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Ahem. -Original Message- From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 04:56 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: OOO340 to svn [ ... ] I have created ooo on apache-extras, but would like to give a full 72 hour discussion to see what support looks

Q: Notices in Code

2011-07-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Greg, Simple version of the question: Is your putting notices on everything your personal practice or is it a requirement that this be done with all textual artifacts where notices are possible? - Dennis LONGER VERSION I looked over the ooo/trunk/tools/dev/ repository and noticed that you

RE: Population of ooo-security

2011-07-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
...@robweir.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 19:09 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Population of ooo-security On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote: Now that we've confirmed that the ooo-security list exists and the three moderators appear

RE: Q: Notices in Code

2011-07-28 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
[mailto:gst...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 13:06 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Subject: Re: Q: Notices in Code On Jul 28, 2011 12:44 PM, Rob Weir apa...@robweir.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote

Operating ooo-security (was RE: Population of ooo-security)

2011-07-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
We are in a very fledgling situation here. Let's see if we can clear up a few things. Here is my understanding of the situation as it exists at the moment. - Dennis 1. The ooo-security@i.a.o list is private and moderated. Anyone can send a message to the list. The three current

RE: Operating ooo-security (was RE: Population of ooo-security)

2011-07-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Operating ooo-security (was RE: Population of ooo-security) I just sent in a test email from my work email. Please do not divulge my employer. (Ah these corporate rules ;-) Regards, Dave On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: You're probably right

Requesting ooo-security Subscriptions: No Luck

2011-07-29 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Since the ooo-security list became operational, there have been a few requests to subscribe to the list. After the e-mail confirmation ceremony, applicants will be told, by the mail-list robot, that the initiation of their subscription awaits approval by a moderator. PLEASE NOTE: UNINVITED

RE: Q: Notices in Code - Answered and Thanks Y'All

2011-07-30 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
29, 2011 21:56 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Q: Notices in Code - Answered and Thanks Y'All Geezus. You are continuing to be obtuse. I have *no* idea what you're talking about. On Jul 29, 2011 9:21 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote

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