[PEIRCE-L] Your claim is unpublishable (was Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself)))

2023-06-13 Thread John F Sowa
cannot delineate here in full context. It's not about quotations for me - it's deconstruction of the very structural process of mediation/communication/language/physics itself and then quotations as and when necessary (I've received many here already which I am framing constantly). _

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2023-06-13 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
Jack From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 11:46 PM To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself)) Jack, List: JRKC

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-13 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
, I think, to most or all people here). Jack ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of John F Sowa Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2023 5:24 AM To: Jon Alan Schmidt ; Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was T

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-12 Thread John F Sowa
448n, EP 2:394, 1906)--which is precisely why it is intelligible at all. In short, everything is, in itself, of the nature of a sign, and therefore cognizable. Cheers, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAl

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2023-06-12 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
less you > understand the necessity of that price (and thus I understand his admission > of it, whether people agree or not, as his own understanding of Kant as > actually accurate). > > I have traced the nuance precisely, in longer form, yet to be published, > as to where Pei

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-12 Thread John F Sowa
nly in the imagination of Kant and his true believers. John _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEI

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2023-06-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
ia. Then i always need a second opinion to exclude it. One last question: What is superior, and in which aspect, to deduction?   Best   Helmut     Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Juni 2023 um 18:54 Uhr Von: "JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY" An: "Helmut Raulien" Cc: "Peirce-L" , &qu

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-12 Thread Helmut Raulien
same reluctance like you do, but always am open minded towards any paranoia. Then i always need a second opinion to exclude it. One last question: What is superior, and in which aspect, to deduction?   Best   Helmut     Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Juni 2023 um 18:54 Uhr Von: "JACK ROBERT KEL

[PEIRCE-L] Going beyond or beneath the words (was Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself)))

2023-06-12 Thread John F Sowa
nciples: The First Rule of Reason, Fallibilism, and no limit to the amount of time that may be required. Most authors who comment on Peirce mention those three principles. But they don't apply them to questions about the unknown or unknowable Ding an sich. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subs

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-12 Thread Mary Libertin
John Sowa and Peirce-l, The discussion about The Thing in Itself has been interesting. I think you’re right to remind some of us of the importance of biographies and the history of time when determining what Peirce and Kant “really” said about things-in-themselves. You demonstrate the value

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2023-06-12 Thread jean-yves beziau
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-11 Thread John F Sowa
or details here are major categorical issues which explicate the very nuance which thus ignites the very realm of inquiry we all aspire to. Best Jack _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-11 Thread Helmut Raulien
be an illusion. Like the buddhists say, they like it that way, I don´t. But, by them, the suspicion is there. But might it be proven, if it was so, or disproven if it wasn´t?   Best   Helmut Gesendet: Sonntag, 11. Juni 2023 um 16:29 Uhr Von: "JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY" An: "

[PEIRCE-L] ChatGPT is flaky, unreliable, and has ZERO logical ability (was God... etc.

2023-06-10 Thread John F Sowa
Dear John Shook, I had sent a note to Peirce-L about a lecture that a colleague and I had presented on May 31st. And it was extremely critical of GPT and related systems. Their only good and reliable contribution is their ability to do better machine translation than previous AI systems

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-10 Thread Gary Richmond
lusion for it, my mistake. but i think it is >> sound (that's not the purpose here). >> >> interpretant generation ala Peirce and dynamical objects is really what >> I'm after here (people's understanding of it). synthetising Kant and Peirce >> and I know a lot of each, but

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-10 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
appy to share. It is very nuanced. So nuanced as to be diaphanous. Thus, it's hardly a sin. It's a mind-boggling topic and whilst he was trained from an early age, and his semiotic remains the best, that training doesn't necessarily work in your favor if you need to think outside the box. N

[PEIRCE-L] Objects and Perception (was God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself))

2023-06-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
; interpretant generation ala Peirce and dynamical objects is really what > I'm after here (people's understanding of it). synthetising Kant and Peirce > and I know a lot of each, but my knowledge of the second pales in specifics > when it comes to general terminology. > > best

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] RE: God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself)

2023-06-10 Thread John Shook
from the premises and highlights the distinction between the perceived copies of object 1 and the object itself. It suggests that the perceived copies are subjective representations or experiences of the object rather than being identical to the object as it exists independently of perception.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] RE: God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself)

2023-06-10 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
knowledge of the second pales in specifics when it comes to general terminology. best jack From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 9:30 PM To: Jon Alan Schmidt ; Peirce-L ; s...@bestweb.net ; robert

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] RE: God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself)

2023-06-10 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
imself, with Gangle, Colapietro, et al) gone into the mechanics of this extensively. Would just wonder what people make of it from within the Peircean semeiotic, now, not so much as to thing in itself's in(cognizablility). Best Jack ________ From: peirce-l-requ...@lis

RE: [PEIRCE-L] God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself)

2023-06-09 Thread John F Sowa
tly different copies of the quotation from R 843. One of them should be deleted. John From: "Jon Alan Schmidt" As I have documented with exact quotations previously (https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00208.html)

[PEIRCE-L] God and the Universe (was The Thing In Itself)

2023-06-09 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
quotations previously ( https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2021-09/msg00208.html), by his own testimony Peirce was a theist, not a pantheist nor a panentheist. He professed to believe that God is the real and personal creator of the entire universe from nothing, such that the latter is neither

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-09 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
ible nuanced as you would expect of each: entirely a categorical matter with respect to each's respective system). Thanks for the information, by the way (have been gathering lots from the list exchange of late). Best Jack From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.ed

[PEIRCE-L] Two lawyers use ChatBPT to prepare their case

2023-06-09 Thread John F Sowa
-lawyers-blame-chatgpt-for-tricking-them-into-citing-bogus-legal-research/3248139/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSC

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2023-06-09 Thread John F Sowa
of pragmaticism was very close to Kant's goal of a proof of his noumena. I believe that Peirce, who had a century more experience with science, came closer than Kant. But I would give Kant partial credit. Maybe an A- or at least a B+. John _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-09 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
with many here already. Will have reply to JAS, hopefully, within a few days which most here should find of interest. Best Jack From: John F Sowa Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 6:16 AM To: Peirce-L ; Jon Alan Schmidt ; JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY Subject: Re

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Atkins monograph

2023-06-08 Thread Mary Libertin
; https://global.oup.com/academic/product/peirce-on-inference-9780197689066?cc=us=en; > > It is scheduled to ship in July. I'd be interested in discussing the work > when it does appear in print. Let me know if you are interested. > > --Jeff > From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on

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2023-06-08 Thread FRANCISCO MARIANO
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[PEIRCE-L] 2nd Call for Papers: Workshop on CONCEPTS OF GOD: CONSISTENCY, INCONSISTENCY AND PARACONSISTENCY ISSUES

2023-06-08 Thread FRANCISCO MARIANO
mpina Grande, Brazil), Alan Herbert (Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies, UK) and Abbas Ahsan (University of Birmingham, UK) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@li

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2023-06-08 Thread Helmut Raulien
Brian Downard" An: Kein Empfänger Cc: "Peirce-L" Betreff: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference). Hello John, Mary, all,   I'd be happy to compare notes on Peirce's, Kant's, Leibniz's argumen

[PEIRCE-L] Atkins monograph

2023-06-08 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Mary Libertin Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 11:19 AM To: John F Sowa Cc: Peirce-L ; Jon Alan Schmidt ; jack.cody.2...@mumail.ie Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again

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2023-06-08 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ks, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 1:30 PM Jeffrey Brian Downard < peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> wrote: > Hello John, Mary, all, > &

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-08 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
ass without exception. CP 2.370 How do you interpret Peirce's objection to each? --Jeff ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of John F Sowa Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 9:01 AM To: Mary Libertin Cc: Peirce-L ; Jon Alan Schmidt ; jack.cody.2...@muma

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-08 Thread Mary Libertin
gt; Sent: 6/8/23 9:58 AM > > John, Peirce-list > > For Our Information: Oxford UP has just published a book appropriate to this > discussion. > > Peirce on Inference: Validity, Strength, and the Community of Inquirers, By > Richard Kenneth Atkins > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► P

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2023-06-08 Thread John F Sowa
the Community of Inquirers, By Richard Kenneth Atkins _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PE

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2023-06-08 Thread Mary Libertin
the realities > which they represent, would not be the unknowable cause of sensation, but > noumena or intelligible conceptions which are the last products of the mental > action which is set in motion by sensation". [CP 8.12-13, emphasis Peirce's] > > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ► PEIRCE-L

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2023-06-07 Thread John F Sowa
which they represent, would not be the unknowable cause of sensation, but noumena or intelligible conceptions which are the last products of the mental action which is set in motion by sensation". [CP 8.12-13, emphasis Peirce's] _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List

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2023-06-07 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
sses. You still have not provided a series of premisses from which *that *conclusion follows necessarily, like I did by reformulating and formalizing Peirce's straightforward proof that the *Ding an sich* is nonsensical (https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2023-06/msg00016.html). Instead, you

[PEIRCE-L] Symbolic Logic and Religious Symbolism, Sinaia, Sept 3-8, 2023 - CfP - Extended Deadline June 15

2023-06-07 Thread jean-yves beziau
pt 3-8, 2023 https://sites.google.com/view/symbol-relog _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRC

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2023-06-06 Thread John F Sowa
a (though only proto as of now), it is not accurate to say that the Semeiotic can account for the thing in itself except to help infer its necessary existence, which it does. Jack -------- From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Jack

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-06 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
as of now), it is not accurate to say that the Semeiotic can account for the thing in itself except to help infer its necessary existence, which it does. Jack ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:31 PM To: Peirce-L S

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-06 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
the chopping board and going through hundreds of thousands of words to try and find the best means of articulation. Best Jack From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Monday, June 5, 2023 10:31 PM To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
standing of Kant, but > that UnknownKnown, or KnownUnknown, is something, which, experientially, > you find in Peirce (as Peirce explaining things as they are in > representational terms - within his schema: is it abduction? the term is > not important to me here, but what it refers to, as it w

[PEIRCE-L] The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again).

2023-06-05 Thread John F Sowa
s can be formalized a million different ways but it never breaks. It's the simplest - insofar as I know - means of explaining formal logic relative to semiotic and the limitations/possibilities therein as it pertains to the noumenal proof. I know - as it goes - that for this to be a "proof

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-05 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
s not as contradictory as it may seem. Best Jack From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 8:57 PM To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-05 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
uppose, and more about advancing the truth by hook or crook but honestly. Best wishes, Jack From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 8:57 PM To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A question for pragmatists

2023-06-04 Thread John F Sowa
oy to reach the specified end, as opposed to dictating every step along the way. Thanks, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt / twitter.com/JonAlanSchmi _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L

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2023-06-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
bility". So I guess, that you cannot conclude > from an ought-matter such as representation to an is-matter, like the > essential being of a thing. > > Best, Helmut > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 04. Juni 2023 um 09:50 Uhr > *Von:* "JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY" > *An:* "

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-04 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
've began drafting (not > overly long as in the last essay-post and more conventional). > > Thanks again. > > Jack > > -- > *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu > on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt > *Sent:* Sunday, June 4, 2023 3:23 A

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2023-06-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
the essential being of a thing.   Best, Helmut Gesendet: Sonntag, 04. Juni 2023 um 09:50 Uhr Von: "JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY" An: "Peirce-L" , "Jon Alan Schmidt" Betreff: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Asse

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
, represent the object as it is in itself. But I note your post in general and there are many good pointers there insofar as we might bring this debate forward and reach consensus one way or the other. Thanks. From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon

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2023-06-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
as in the last essay-post and more conventional). Thanks again. Jack From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2023 3:23 AM To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-03 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ey isn't > "infinite community" but whether it is necessary to infer the existence of > the thing in itself. For if this is necessary, then it matters not if the > period of time be finite or infinite. > > And, again, I side with Peirce in the Welby exerpt. I believe it is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-03 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
of this argument (primarily between JAS and myself regarding the "thing in itself" and Kant's position within Peircean semeiotic). The essay-lite lacks proper references, etc., in places, but I think is sufficient to advance the debate. Best, Jack ____ From: pei

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
is a known incognizable, ala Schopenhauer, except here I depart from Schopenhauer and Hegel, by implication, for Schoperhauer's telos is of Hegel's Geist: overly defined). Best Jack ________ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Sa

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2023-06-02 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
ith Peirce in the Welby exerpt. I believe it is necessary. Best Jack ________ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2023 4:01 AM To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
; consistently in all manner of logical forms. > > John Sowa made a comment about the "various Peirces". I think that is > accurate. As Peirce contradicts himself, as all people do, being fallible, > when it comes to thing in itself for he was continuously evolving as > scho

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
of possible experience, consequently to mere things of > sense, and as soon as we leave this sphere these concepts retain no meaning > whatever." > > What strikes me about this passage is the extent to which Kant and Peirce > appear to agree about the "rule which admits of n

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2023-06-02 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
rious Peirces". I think that is accurate. As Peirce contradicts himself, as all people do, being fallible, when it comes to thing in itself for he was continuously evolving as scholar (polymath) until his death. Best, Jack ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
is sphere these concepts retain no meaning whatever." What strikes me about this passage is the extent to which Kant and Peirce appear to agree about the "rule which admits of no exception." --Jeff ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf o

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
As it is "in itself", it can > never be, to us, "as it is in itself". > > Best > > Jack > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
s with feedback > given from various quarters, be inferred to exist via the formalisms I > employ. That is, I claim here that I have proven the core part of Kant's > thesis whilst my own does not necessarily have to stay within the Kantian > limits but does, as you rightly point out, have

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
the "thing in itself" which by logical series and deconstruction of the mediatory process itself, must be inferred. As it is "in itself", it can never be, to us, "as it is in itself". Best Jack ________ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
the core part of Kant's thesis whilst my own does not necessarily have to stay within the Kantian limits but does, as you rightly point out, have to properly situate the Kantian thesis before departing. On that, I agree absolutely. Best Jack From: peirce-l-requ...@li

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ait a long back and forth as to the entire structure and premis(ses) of > the series/argument/conclusion (as such is necessary). > > I will fetch a summary and argument-treatment for you, though, - thanks > again for offering to critique. > > Best > > Jack > > ---

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
hough, - thanks again for offering to critique. Best Jack From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Friday, June 2, 2023 6:30 PM To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assembl

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ument, particularly that natural language component wherein I'll have > to synthesize vast amounts of Hume/Kant/Hegel (and more, with Peirce > obviously being present). > > Best wishes > > Jack > > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply Lis

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-06-02 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
ck ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2023 4:16 AM To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference). Jack, Li

[PEIRCE-L] Evaluating and reasoning with and about GPT

2023-06-01 Thread John F Sowa
ee https://ontologforum.s3.amazonaws.com/General/EvaluatingGPT--JohnSowa-ArunMajumdar_20230531.mp4 John _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui

RE: [PEIRCE-L] [ontolog-forum] Just for Grins

2023-05-29 Thread John F Sowa
How much speaking did you do in order to get ChatGPT to spin off that theory? The many sentences and phrases in it could have been copied from various articles about the Big Bang. John From: "Mike Bergman" Sent: 5/13/23 8:18 PM To: peirce-l@list.i

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-05-28 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
Helmut, list It wasn't what I was going for, but it is a metaphysical proof, so it will share characteristics of arguments such as that, I suppose (thing in itself being "noumenal"). Best Jack ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-05-28 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
which has to be done on my "side" if it still meets with misunderstanding. I will go away and try to formalize more simply and more rigorously with "value" being delineated precisely. Best, Jack ____ From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behal

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-05-28 Thread Helmut Raulien
List,   I have not fully understood the proof of the thing in itself, but it seems to me, that it is formally the same or similar as Anselm of Canterbury`s proof of God. Is that so?   Best, Helmut     Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Mai 2023 um 05:16 Uhr Von: "Jon Alan Schmidt" An:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again). (Assemblage Formalisms - inference).

2023-05-27 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ries and an > alternative. For I know not else how to go about weighing proofs or alleged > proofs. We must disregard the terminologies of any given philosopher - > suspend it for a time - until the logical form is dealt with and then see > which schema, tradition, perso

[PEIRCE-L] Workshop on CONCEPTS OF GOD: CONSISTENCY, INCONSISTENCY AND PARACONSISTENCY ISSUES 4rd World Congress on Logic and Religion (4rd WoCoLoR) Sinaia, Romania September 3-8, 2023

2023-05-25 Thread FRANCISCO MARIANO
ande, Brazil), Alan Herbert (Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies, UK) and Abbas Ahsan (University of Birmingham, UK) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iup

[PEIRCE-L] 4rd World Congress on Logic and Religion (4rd WoCoLoR) Sinaia, Romania September 3-8, 2023

2023-05-25 Thread FRANCISCO MARIANO
. They must be submitted by May 31, 2023, through the workshop site (http://4wocolor.pl/#submission). Notification of acceptance will be released on June 20, 2023. At least one author of each accepted paper must register for the congress. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click

[PEIRCE-L] CFP: Workshop on CONCEPTS OF GOD: CONSISTENCY, INCONSISTENCY AND PARACONSISTENCY ISSUES

2023-05-24 Thread Ricardo Silvestre
proceedings, which will be available during the congress. After the conference authors will be invited to submit complete papers, which will be peer-reviewed and published in a special issue of Logica Universalis (https://www.springer.com/journal/11787).   _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers

[PEIRCE-L] Religious Symbolism and Symbolic Logic, Sinaia, Sept 3-8, 2023 - CfP

2023-05-24 Thread jean-yves beziau
pt 3-8, 2023 https://sites.google.com/view/symbol-relog _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRC

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [ontolog-forum] Little Known Facts (was Geometry language

2023-05-20 Thread John F Sowa
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RE: [PEIRCE-L] [ontolog-forum] Little Known Facts (was Geometry language

2023-05-20 Thread John F Sowa
://static1.squarespace.com/static/591b1b5be4fcb5e7bff44226/t/59ee18eaec4eb75eb1231a62/1508776172008/Schnittke+Paper+New.pdf "Chapter 7 - Stroke, music, and creative output: Alfred Schnittke and other composers" by Yuri Zagvazdin -- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pi

[PEIRCE-L] Little Known Facts (was Geometry language

2023-05-19 Thread John F Sowa
o teach using gestures and playing examples on their violin after having a stroke may be incorrect or misleading as no historical evidence seems to back up this claim. The descriptions provided by each assistant should be verified for accuracy with reliable sources. - _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L

RE: [PEIRCE-L] [ontolog-forum] Geometry language

2023-05-17 Thread John F Sowa
ometric represenations. Equations would be restricted to being in X and Y for mental represenatons of purely planar geometrical shapes. Allowing for other parameters would allow for 3D (and higher) shapes. -- doug f > Alex > > [1] https://s-m.ac/documents/phd_thesis_mathias_sa

[PEIRCE-L] LUW May 17 - The Unification of Mathematics via Topos Theory, Olivia Caramello - Grothendieck Institute

2023-05-15 Thread jean-yves beziau
to attend. Register here: https://www.springer.com/journal/11787/updates/23910922 Jean-Yves Beziau Editor of the journal Logica Universalis and the book series Studies in Universal Logic Organizer of the Logica Universalis Webinar http://www.jyb-logic.org/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [ontolog-forum] Re: FYI:Human brain singularity hypothesis

2023-05-14 Thread Daniel L Everett
---References from the note by Alex:1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxHLpb_urUk2 https://meetings.bna.org.uk/bna2023/prog/BNA2023plenaries/stanislas-dehaene/3 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13646613220014134 https://s-m.ac/documents/phd_thesis_mathias_sable-meyer.pdf

Re: [PEIRCE-L] nonlinear semiotics

2023-05-14 Thread Daniel L Everett
://s-m.ac/documents/phd_thesis_mathias_sable-meyer.pdf _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@l

Re: [PEIRCE-L] nonlinear semiotics

2023-05-14 Thread John F Sowa
--- References by Alex: 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxHLpb_urUk 2 https://meetings.bna.org.uk/bna2023/prog/BNA2023plenaries/stanislas-dehaene/ 3 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1364661322001413 4 https://s-m.ac/documents/phd_thesis_mathias_sable-meyer.pdf _

Re: [PEIRCE-L] nonlinear semiotics

2023-05-14 Thread Dan Everett
s own > “unscientific” use of the term “logic” > <https://gnusystems.ca/TS/blr.htm#lognat> accounts for the discrepancy. > > Love, gary f. > > Coming from the ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg > > From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu On > Behalf Of Dan Everett

RE: [PEIRCE-L] nonlinear semiotics

2023-05-14 Thread gnox
ements” of logic itself) to both psychology and linguistics. Maybe Peirce’s own “unscientific” use of the term “logic” <https://gnusystems.ca/TS/blr.htm#lognat> accounts for the discrepancy. Love, gary f. Coming from the ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg From: peirce-l-requ...@li

[PEIRCE-L] Just for Grins

2023-05-13 Thread Mike Bergman
ture research in cosmology and fundamental physics. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.i

[PEIRCE-L] Learning to see 2D images; training semiotics

2023-05-13 Thread Dan Everett
For anyone interested in the idea that photographic images are not innately perceived, but learned: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110225 Dan_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIR

Re: [PEIRCE-L] nonlinear semiotics

2023-05-13 Thread Dan Everett
lands of the Anishinaabeg} Owing to general causes, logic always must be far behind the practice of leading minds. [Peirce, BD ’Method’] {https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ Turning Signs _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIR

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again).

2023-05-10 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
tely > proven to be beyond representational capacity. The passage argues that > representative capacity, whether it be lexical or affective, operates > through mediation and contiguity. It further asserts that even if > representative capacity takes the form of mass motion (MaMo), it still >

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again).

2023-05-10 Thread Helmut Raulien
hing, just made up, or a supposition about something completely different from the final reconstruction? I´m just sceptical.   Best, Helmut     Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. Mai 2023 um 02:21 Uhr Von: "JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY" An: "Peirce-L" , "Jon Alan Schmidt" Betreff:

[PEIRCE-L] THE ANATOMY OF GOD AND THE PROBLEM OF EVIL: Lessons from an African Perspective - The Logic and Religion Webinar, May 11

2023-05-10 Thread FRANCISCO MARIANO
the problem of evil irrelevant. Join us 5 minutes prior to the beginning of the session! With best wishes, Francisco de Assis Mariano The University of Missouri-Columbia LARA Secretary _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to RE

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again).

2023-05-09 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
go through it with Peircean lenses? (fair enough if not, it's a massive text). Best, Jacl From: peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu on behalf of Jon Alan Schmidt Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 10:58 PM To: Peirce-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself

[PEIRCE-L] Event on May 18, 2023, at 5:30 pm

2023-05-09 Thread Shapiro, Michael
at www.languagelore.net. The expanded second edition of his book, *The Speaking Self: Language Lore and English Usage*, was published by Springer in 2017. His newest book, *The Logic of Language: A Semiotic Study of Speech*, was published in 2022. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply

[PEIRCE-L] LUW May 10 - Revising the Elenchus via Belief Revision - by Ekaterina Kubyshkina and Mattia Petrolo

2023-05-09 Thread jean-yves beziau
/logica-universalis Jean-Yves Beziau Editor-in-Chief Logica Universalis and LUW Organizer http://www.jyb-logic.org/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to pei

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again).

2023-05-05 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
ion in the secondary literature. I have long considered Nathan Houser's sketch in the introduction to EP 2 (xxxv-xxxvi) to be one of the most promising reconstructions, and I have outlined my own attempts along similar lines in past List threads (e.g., https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2022-09/msg8

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again).

2023-05-04 Thread John F Sowa
to be a "proof" in the academic sense, I'd have to go further (but I just know it is proven and have been rather lazy of late - not very well). Happy to let others go at it - whether to falsify or prove. Jack _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] Re: The Thing In Itself (Kant and Peirce - Again).

2023-05-04 Thread JACK ROBERT KELLY CODY
ptiously in the form I give) - just to see what areas I am weak in. For example, much of your reply here helps frame my larger "thesis" as it were. Anyway, I will share once it is somewhat acceptable. Thanks for the comments. Jack. ________ From: peirce-l-requ

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