[PEIRCE-L] The trichotomic machine brings order among the interpretants

Please excuse me. The link I indicated in my answer to Jon was not the right one. Here is the correct link : https://www.academia.edu/40493861/The_trichotomic_machine_brings_order_among_the_interpretants - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Affinities between classes of signs according to CSP vs Marty's Lattice (proof by video 26 sec)

New more demonstrative video ; the same but with four limited downtime ... https://www.youtube.com/tL29hqNfFlg <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL29hqNfFlg> Regards Le sam. 18 avr. 2020 à 22:10, robert marty a écrit : > I have always maintained that the lattice of the 10 classes

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Affinities between classes of signs according to CSP vs Marty's Lattice (proof by video 26 sec)

The reverse showing that we actually have isomorphic structures ... https://youtu.be/hc1b_KJEN8o Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 11:13, robert marty a écrit : > New more demonstrative video ; the same but with four limited downtime > ... > > https://www.youtube.com/tL29hqNf

[PEIRCE-L] Affinities between classes of signs according to CSP vs Marty's Lattice (proof by video 26 sec)

I have always maintained that the lattice of the 10 classes of signs is the algebraic realization of the affinities between classes of signs as Peirce describes them from CP 2.254 to CP 2.264. In "The trichotomic machine" ("The trichotomic machine," Semiotica, vol. 2019, No. 228, May 2019, p.

[PEIRCE-L] Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

e very happy to read your comments. Best regards Robert Marty - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE,

[PEIRCE-L] Categories at work within the signs

eement on choices of determinations. Best regards Robert Marty https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *"… in scientific inquiry, as in other enterprises, the maxim holds : nothing hazard, nothing gain." *(C. S. Peirce, MS 318, Pragmatism) - PEIRCE-L subscr

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

Helmut, List I spent a lot of time addressing you an argumentative answer (because I only do answers of this type, and I almost never start a post with "In my opinion ..." or "I think that ..." Etc... unless I am asked, which I must admit is quite rare). I have shown using the basic concepts of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

? And finally: *CSP > " The result of this rule will necessarily be that the new concept of a "sign" will be defined exclusively by the forms of its logical relationships; and the utmost pains must be taken to understant those relations in a purely formal, or, as we may say, in a purely m

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

don't worry ... I need a little time to give you the clearest possible answer (which assumes I have an answer) ... Regards, Robert Marty Le sam. 25 avr. 2020 à 20:42, Edwina Taborsky a écrit : > Helmut, you wrote: > > (is it agreed now, that sign is 1ns, object 2ns, and interpretant 3n

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

to apply his ideas > today. Otherwise, we do not actually "build on and extend his work," but > rather create something new of our own invention and wrongly attribute it > to him. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Professional Engineer,

[PEIRCE-L] tree-structure

"The designations here are the same as above, although the reference is to a longer entry in the Logic Notebook written a few days later. As Bellucci summarizes, "the ten trichotomies are arranged in a *tree-structure*, not as a *linear succession,*" but "Peirce never managed to apply to his

Re: [PEIRCE-L] tree-structure

Thank you John for this information. I believe that a reassessment of the importance of mathematics in Peirce's work must be obtained from the community of Peirceans. As for Hegel's mathematical competence, Peirce was not very charitable : "He has usually overlooked external Secondness,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

gt; > Regards, > > Jon > > On 5/1/2020 1:35 PM, robert marty wrote: > > Thank you Jon, you're a providence. The flow is fed by so many different > > sources that it becomes almost impossible to navigate. When we create a > > thread it happens that very quickly cuckoos come

[PEIRCE-L] Nicotine, a semiotic confrontation between life and death

sed in the following analysis. It follows Peirce's recommendations but is fallible and asks to be criticized." Be waiting and best regards, Robert Marty - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

Jon, List, Just for your information , my first articles on the subject: - Marty, Robert, « Catégories et foncteurs en sémiotique », *Semiosis*, n o 6,‎ 1977, p. 5-15 (ISSN 0170-219X

Re: Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure

t;>> Supplement: Please click on "full view" or synonym, otherwise the table >>> does not work. >>> >>> List, >>> >>> I still do not understand, why the tree-structure should not be able to >>> be applied to the sign characters, mea

Re: [PEIRCE-L] tree-structure

Jon, List I always thought that the most peircean of the classifications of sciences was this one : *Mathematics* the study of ideal constructions without reference to their real existence, -Empirics, the study of phenomena with the purpose of identifying their forms with those *mathematics*

Re: [PEIRCE-L] tree-structure

omena with the purpose of identifying their forms with those *mathematics* has studied*," >From then on you can have an instrument of knowledge to study the practices of communication and meaning: *"Pragmatics, the study of how we ought to behave in the light of the truths of empirics.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories at work within the signs

Dear colleagues, I have had hundreds of discussions with my students and colleagues, I have conducted master's thesis in several fields and Phd like any academic. Obviously most of them have exploited in their classifications the texts CP 2.254 to 2,265 formalized by me in the lattice of the

[PEIRCE-L] Re: The trichotomic machine brings order among the interpretants

o see how we could combine structures comprising nodes with the 3 modes of being. I will be very sorry that we perceive the slightest arrogance in this statement dictated only by the strength of my convictions. ... As Peirce says, everyone to works out their proper salvation ! Le mar. 14 avr. 2

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

05337 > 1. > http://web.archive.org/web/20070302154925/http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/msg05337.html > 8. > http://web.archive.org/web/20070302155036/http://suo.ieee.org/ontology/msg05344.html > > The Pragmatic Cosmos (Mar 2012) > https://www.mail-archive.com/peirce-l@listserv.iupui.e

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Peirce-L Forum principle of a "generosity of attitude."

Gary, John, List John I will be less severe than you and perhaps more pragmatic and "virile"( ) considering that this verbiage that does not seem to have the function of "block the way of inquiry" has another - perhaps worse - that is to "drown the way of inquiry" ... in doing so it tests the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] To put an end to the false debate on the classification of signs

at If > functions BEFORE the II and DI - a concept which I reject. I'm not sure if > you share the same opinion on this as JAS - but- I would appreciate > clarification. > > Again - thank you for your posts. > > Edwina > > > > On Sat 16/05/20 12:18 PM , robert m

Re: [PEIRCE-L] To put an end to the false debate on the classification of signs

t; <https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00024.html>, and > here <https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/arc/peirce-l/2020-04/msg00173.html>. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman &

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Modes of Being (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

; are unscientific and yet, will be firmly held beliefs. > > The scenario would be best viewed as an animated cartoon [ in vivid colour > of course] - to explain these flexible and dynamic transformations! > > Edwina > > > > On Wed 06/05/20 7:09 AM , robert marty robert.mart.

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

lves 1". That may be true for some concepts > of involution or presupposition but I think the operative relation in this > case is a thoroughly irreducible triadic relation, one whose properties do > not reduce to the composition of two dyadic relations. > > Regards, > > Jon > &

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Modes of Being (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

istent with "the > immutable suite of the three 3ns→2ns→1ns" as 3→2/3→1/2/3, just as the two > objects are Od→Oi as 2→1/2. Am I overlooking something in the underlying > logic that *requires* the sequence of the interpretants to be Ii→Id→If? > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

Auke, Bernard, List I do not know if I understood where the reluctance was. It seems to me that I may have to make some clarifications that will lead to avoid the misunderstandings for which I am solely responsible. 1- Category theory lives its life independently of Peirce's semiotics.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] To put an end to the false debate on the classification of signs

s? > > Would you likewise say that knowledge is not actual, or real, unless it is > absolute and unquestionable? > > > > Gary f. > > > > *From:* robert marty > *Sent:* 18-May-20 03:25 > *To:* Jon Alan Schmidt > *Cc:* Peirce-L > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] To p

Re: [PEIRCE-L] To put an end to the false debate on the classification of signs

I am sorry but if you are begining with " If commens means the sum at any time of whatever everybody happens to come up with,..." I am obliged, on Peirce's list to give the floor to peirce on this subject : " There is the Intentional Interpretant, which is a determination of the mind of the

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Speculative Grammar Revisited (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

Jon Allan, List, John Sowa Jon Allan, List, John Sowa I apply the principle of charity mentioned by John Sowa not long ago ... I like it … I also want it applied to me ... JAS > Unfortunately only the "valency" table is correct and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Peirce-L Forum principle of a "generosity of attitude."

Gary, list your comments, which I largely approve of, seem a little tinged with relativism (all the theories are equal). but this is probably due to the position of moderator. this is the reason why I think that the "generosity of attitude" should be balanced by the principle of charity (to be

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Modes of Being (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

Gary, Jon Alan, List I fully respect yours concerns and of course it is clear that everyone can invest them in the podium that is quite honored. For the part concerning me I see no difficulty in using "involution" rather than "presupposition" and I do not think I have strayed too far from Peirce

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Modes of Being (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

s. But that's another story... For now I am sorry to find that I submitted my nicotine analysis to the criticism on May 3rd and that I did not get any reaction. I believe that I show and demonstrate how a positive image of semiotics is formed and how it gains in "semioticity" until

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Categories and Modes of Being (was Essay about categories and logical presuppositions)

Rectification : Exercises 1 and 2 : Build a functor of (D) in (C).( For reasons of homogeneity of the notations with other papers.) Le jeu. 7 mai 2020 à 12:05, Robert Marty a écrit : > Jon Alan, Helmut, Edwina, List > > JAS > "Unfortunately I am not adept enough with math

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Nicotine, a semiotic confrontation between life and death

with 4 exercises : Build the lattice of the 10 classes of signs in one lesson https://www.academia.edu/42974040/Build_the_lattice_of_the_10_classes_of_signs_in_one_lesson hoping it will be useful to you Best regards, Robert Le dim. 3 mai 2020 à 18:09, robert marty a écrit : > List, John,G

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Isn’t there a similarity ?

/5252/1/Peirce%27s_Semeiotic_509338.pdf Best, Robert Le ven. 8 mai 2020 à 20:23, robert marty a écrit : > You're the one who sees... > - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

nate) interpretant is whatever the sign itself > *necessarily >would* signify to someone under ideal circumstances, including the >ultimate opinion after infinite inquiry by an infinite community. > > Is that helpful? > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semiosis and Truth

Helmut, you are very close to what I say... however, I would like to know where you place this final interpretant in the hexadic sign... Best Robert Le mar. 19 mai 2020 à 17:08, Helmut Raulien a écrit : > Edwina, List, > > I think, that "final" in "final interpretant" is not meant like

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

oes* have on an individual subject on a particular occasion. The > latter is always a *dynamical *interpretant, and it can be different for > different subjects who have different degrees of sign system acquaintance, > different collateral experience/observation, and different habits of > interpretation.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] To put an end to the false debate on the classification of signs

msg00173.html>. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:02 PM robert marty > wrote: > >>

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

se. He confirms this later in the same manuscript. > > > CSP: It is, as I was saying, a widespread error to think that a "final > cause" is necessarily a purpose. A purpose is merely that form of final > cause which is most familiar to our experience. (CP 1.211) > >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

ional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:58 AM robert marty > wrote: > >> Jon Alan, List >> >> I'd rather we stay on the list. I have clues that suggest tha

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Essay about categories and logical presuppositions

Thank you Jon, you're a providence. The flow is fed by so many different sources that it becomes almost impossible to navigate. When we create a thread it happens that very quickly cuckoos come to lay their eggs so big that they bring down your children chicks from the nest ... I understood that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

about the explicit > interpretant as you define it? > > Finally, how do you relate your podium diagram to the destinate, > effective, and explicit interpretants? Which one do you see as the genuine > interpretant (3), which is degenerate (2/3), and which is doubly degenerate &g

[PEIRCE-L] The lattice of five paths (2)

Please excuse this omission ... https://www.academia.edu/44146664/The_lattice_of_five_paths Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fran%C3%A7ois_Raymond_Marty <https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Fran

[PEIRCE-L] The Five Paths of Signs (Note)

Abstract: This text is a methodological complement for a "dynamic" use of the lattice of the ten classes of signs. https://www.academia.edu/43167632/The_Five_Paths_of_Signs_Note_ Thanks for comments, Best regards, Robert _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply

[PEIRCE-L] The podium "enriched" of the universal categories of Peirce.

This is an "enriched" version of the podium that complete the one that appears in the draft of my article awaiting publication: The podium of the universal categories of C.S.Peirce

Re: Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

Part of my post remained in French. I apologize for that. "I consider that the text below is fundamental to justify the use of a new concept that will fulfill this function of "social counter-reaction" of individual semiosis:" Best, RM Le lun. 25 mai 2020 à 12:19, r

Re: Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion (was To put an end ...)

at the Final Interpretant > in this networked community - would be that generalized law? Then, this > community will presumably change its habits - but - even so, a community > will continue to 'be semiosic' within all ten sign classes, so to speak - > and will only once-in-a-while de

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis (was Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion)

colas Boileau (1636 - 1711): Le jeu. 28 mai 2020 à 17:26, robert marty a écrit : > Jon Alan, List > > Thank you again for explaining your designs on how the hexadic sign works > and for summarising them at the end of your post. This has allowed me to > limit myself to reviewing you

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis (was Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion)

is *(3ns→2ns→1ns), along with the logical relation of involution > or presupposition. Accordingly, although the order of the three *genuine > *correlates is the same as above (O→S→I)--conforming to Gary's vector of > *determination* (2ns→1ns→3ns)--the universe to which each of these >

[PEIRCE-L] Lattices of the classes of signs without category theory

, without mobilizing any concept of the category theory. https://www.academia.edu/43232359/Lattices_without_category_theory Thanks for your comments, Robert Marty _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this mes

[PEIRCE-L] Re: The simplest model for the ten classes of signs

ably interact. If > we have only a direct 'hit' between two 'bits-of-matter', then this > mechanical process would enhance entropy. And again - we acknowledge the > reality of Thirdness - which mediates such interactions and transforms > energy exchange into information, which can be used

[PEIRCE-L] The simplest model for the ten classes of signs

in order to allow critical access to this natural extension of Peirce's semiotics from the state in which he left it to us. https://www.academia.edu/44347570/The_simplest_model_for_the_ten_classes_of_signs Thank you for your comments and criticism, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics

[PEIRCE-L] Classes of signs: the iconographic models

Abstract Peirce's classes of signs have given rise to a large number of approaches aimed at exposing them, illustrating them, modeling them, formalizing them in different terms, and in some cases testing their operationality. Among these approaches one can distinguish and characterize

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Logic of Interpretation

Jerry, Glad you liked it! I am determined not to polemicize and not to confuse science with erudition ... Cheers, Robert Marty Le mer. 15 juil. 2020 à 19:58, Jerry LR Chandler < jerry_lr_chand...@icloud.com> a écrit : > Robert: > > On Jul 15, 2020, at 9:04 AM, robert marty >

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Logic of Interpretation

is risky." > > > Cheers > > Jerry > > On Jul 15, 2020, at 1:15 PM, robert marty > wrote: > > Jerry, > Glad you liked it! I am determined not to polemicize and not to confuse > science with erudition ... > Cheers, > Robert Marty > > Le mer. 15 j

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's methodology

attention ... so I won't do it again and I'll stop spreading terror with a humorous signature that you took perhaps a bit too seriously. There won't be blood on the walls! Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty de.wikipedi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's methodology

ematic indexical sinsigns and furthermore that the legisigns themselves are encapsulated in dicent and rhematic symbols which combined using deductive or inductive arguments produce theories. But as they say in French "il n'est pire sourd qui ne veut entendre"! (he's the worst deaf p

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's methodology

t; > > > Gary f. > > > > *From:* robert marty > *Sent:* 6-Aug-20 18:39 > *To:* Gary Fuhrman ; Peirce-L > > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's methodology > > > > Gary, I admit that I saw in your post an attempt to lower the role of > mathematics on

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Peirce's methodology

nificant." These relations can of course be read in Peirce as above but also and at a glance in the lattice of the 10 classes of signs (a mathematical object that encapsulates the 10 classes). Best regards, Robert Marty Semiotics is a fighting sport Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Logic of Interpretation

Jon Alan, List Why do you call your thread "*The* Logic of interpretation" (the bold is mine) when all your text says is *"**Your*" logic of interpretation and ends with a self-assessment that "this kind of insight is "extremely fallible" and must be put to the test"? Your next text corrects

Re: [PEIRCE-L] diagrams of semiosis

. Best regards Robert Le mer. 1 juil. 2020 à 09:53, robert marty a écrit : > REP EN > 01/07 > > > > · No it's not entirely clear: Do I understand that you keep your > diagram simply by removing the ovals? If so it's up to you to do it... for > I remind you

Re: [PEIRCE-L] diagrams of semiosis

t *actual* (dynamical), but rather *possible > *(immediate) > or even conditionally *necessary *(final)--"If a sign has no interpreter, > its interpretant is a 'would be,' i.e., is what it *would* determine in > the interpreter if there were one" (EP 2:409, 1907). > > Does

Re: [PEIRCE-L] diagrams of semiosis

n wish to acknowledge > Menno Hulswit for proposing such an approach, although he substitutes > "necessary condition" for "formal cause" in the first bullet. On the other > hand, the last three bullets reflect my own current understanding of the > process of semeiosis

Re: Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Way of Thinking (was Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis)

the sign > itself, but rather its dyadic relation with its dynamical object, which is > that of *efficient *causation. A properly functioning weathercock points > in a certain direction because the wind is *actually *blowing from that > way and forces it to do so accordingly. > >

Re: Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Way of Thinking (was Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis)

Helmut, List If I can tell Helmut there are no two concepts. A sign is always a real thing that represents because to be sign it must be perceived ... Why wouldn't a sign as a representation" be a real thing? Let's look at the statue that is at the entrance to New York Harbor ... Isn't that an

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis (was Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion)

gt; fact, that is, *the ideal sign* which should be quite perfect, and so > identical,--in such identity as a sign may have,--with the very matter > denoted united with the very form signified by it. The entelechy of the > Universe of being, then, the Universe *qua* fact, will be that Univers

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis (was Destinate Interpretant and Predestinate Opinion)

that is, and must > be, well understood between utterer and interpreter, at the outset, in > order that *the sign in question* should fulfill its function" (EP 2:478, > 1906, bold added). In other words, the commens is clearly not "universal" > and "independent of all thes

Re: [PEIRCE-L] commens and commons

I agree with you. The stakes seem minor to me; In fact, I subtitled my book "L'Algébre des Signes" with "Scientific Essay according to Charles Sanders Peirce" and I made it clear in my introduction that given the state in which Peirce's work is presented ("The Peircian Continent" very well

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Communicating an Idea (was commens and commons)

to one another ... The vagueness of every idea deprives it of absolute > identity even with itself" (R 787:21[25]). It is an idea in *this *sense > that according to Peirce can only be communicated "by means of an icon"; > namely, "the *predicate *of the assertion.&qu

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Communicating an Idea (was commens and commons)

Jon, List Jon I suppose that in this search for coherence in "certain aspects of Peirce's thought" you do not rule out using mathematical objects which are appeared in ulterior development of this discipline that was not at his disposal more than 100 years ago? Otherwise, wouldn't the pure

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Communicating an Idea (was commens and commons)

ies, conceptual frameworks, and analyses of the > universe deviate from his. > > Thanks, > > Jon S. > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 3:11 AM robert marty > wrote: > >> Jon, List >> >> Jon I suppose that in this search for coherence in "certain aspects of &g

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce's Way of Thinking (was Theory and Analysis of Semeiosis)

Dear Jon Alan, JAS > "Something need not be perceived in order to qualify as a sign, as long as it is *capable *of determining a dynamical interpretant by virtue of having an immediate interpretant ... and a final interpretant ..." RM > If I were a literalist, I would say this: "But

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: The Logic of Interpretation

html> a > couple of months ago, "Surely propositions in a thread starter act as > invitation, implicitly." I am interested in discussing the logic of > interpretation in general, not claiming that there is only one such logic. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Logic of Interpretation

Dear Jerry : Google is your friend : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finitary_relation Please note that Peirce's name appears on this page. Your "demonstration" on the chemical combinations between atoms shows above all your ignorance of mathematical modelling in chemistry. The terms "logic of

[PEIRCE-L] The "affinities" according to CS Peirce: the possibility of a lattice.

List, I submit to you new argumented clarifications on the concordance between the affinities between classes of signs diagrammatized by CS Peirce and the lattice of the classes of signs. I hope you find them convincing.Here is the abstract of this 10-page text:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Kindle editions of Writings

they are also available on Amazon.fr, € 6.57 . Le sam. 28 nov. 2020 à 20:59, a écrit : > Aloha Peirceans, > > > > I just noticed that Kindle editions of all 7 volumes of the Writings > Chronological Edition are selling for $9.99 each. (At least they are on > Amazon.ca, I haven’t checked

[PEIRCE-L] Other subdivisions of signs

List, https://www.academia.edu/s/a91a59f285 *"It is a nice problem to say to what class a given sign belongs"* CS Peirce 2.265, EP2 : 297 Abstract This article is exclusively devoted to the subdivisions mentioned by Peirce in CP 2.265. It shows that the lattice of the 10 classes of signs

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Existential Graphs in 1911

Peirce often uses the musical metaphor ... Thought is a thread of melody running through the succession of our sensations” (CP 5.395) Le sam. 30 janv. 2021 à 04:39, John F. Sowa a écrit : > Gary R, > > My remarks were ad rem, not ad hominem. Mathematics is like music. A > mathematician or

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Existential Graphs in 1911

> > Frederik > > > > PS Dear John – I tried to email you at s...@bestweb.net, but it bounces > back – is there another address where I can reach you? > > > > *Fra: *John Sowa > *Svar til: *John Sowa > *Dato: *søndag den 31. januar 2021 kl. 04.46 > *Ti

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

ombative “debate.” > > Gary f. > > } { > > https://gnusystems.ca/wp/ }{ living the time > > > > *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu *On > Behalf Of *robert marty > *Sent:* 23-Jun-21 08:16 > *To:* Gary Fuhrman ; Peirce-L > > *Subject:* Re: [PEI

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

ases> *https://www.academia.edu/49325877/The_Podium_of_Universal_Categories_and_their_degenerate_cases <https://www.academia.edu/49325877/The_Podium_of_Universal_Categories_and_their_degenerate_cases>* Sincerely, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

Gary F, It will be possible to debate these questions from the following slide in which André De Tienne writes about "a non-reciprocal logical order of dependence". ... I am ready ... Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ma

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and category theory

eyond those required to work with such a simple Poset. The resulting lattice structure is immediately put into a diagram and there is no need to know its exact definition.Moreover, to convince oneself of its natural relevance to semiotics, one need only read Peirce: CP 2.254 to 2.264. Best regards R

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Iconicity and abduction

a strong position in favor of a Category-Theoretic Structuralism (see robert marty (academia.edu) <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/research#drafts>. In addition, it turns out that the authors evoke "the fascinating typological puzzle" (2.2, p.33) that I assembled in a lattice a l

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 7

Sincerely, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le sam. 26 juin 2021 à 15:07, a écrit : > List, > > Robert, except for a few inaccurac

Re: [PEIRCE-L] : André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 12

Professor ; PhD Mathematics ; PhD Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ <https://martyrobert.academia.edu/>* Le dim. 11 juil. 2021 à 15:56, robert marty a écrit : > Gary F. ... now it's you who goes faster than the music > > GF :

Re: [PEIRCE-L] : André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 12

tion_of_sciences_1902_1911_> ). To assert unceasingly that Phaneroscopy is only a positive science by rejecting mathematics, is to refuse to recognize the role they play in the Sciences of Discovery; it is to amputate Peirce's work from its mathematical part ... Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; PhD Math

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A Lasting Flash from the Past

enthusiasm for the maximum openness coextensive to Peirce's thought is not the most shared attitude ... May this reminder inspire the spirit of our debates! Then we would find "The Best" ... Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ma

Re: [PEIRCE-L] : André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 12

e elements (phanerons) belonging to each of these categories. > > > > Gary f. > > > > *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu *On > Behalf Of *robert marty > *Sent:* 11-Jul-21 09:56 > > Gary F. ... now it's you who goes faster than the music > > GF

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

Gary F, List My opinion is that Mathematics and Philosophy are best placed where Peirce himself put them : Extract from (26) (DOC) The "Podium" of Universal Categories and their degenerate cases | robert marty - Academia.edu <https://www.academia

Re: [PEIRCE-L] AndrÃ(c) De Tienne: Slow Read slide 6

nomenology (Phaneroscopy) are located, thus creating an "illusion of mathematical structures" despite the loss of the constitutive relations. It is a more or less conscious avoidance strategy, depending on the case. Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy f

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [EXTERNAL] RE: André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 12

lations as "First," "Second," "Third" (CP 2.274), and it frequently happens that these terms are interpreted as "a Firstness," "a Secondness," or "a Thirdness," respectively. Consequently, we will proceed to systematic rewriting, which will be very usef

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 27

kinds of > Firstness, qualitative possibility, existence, mentality, resulting from > applying Firstness to the three categories. We might strike new words for > them: primity, secundity, tertiality. [end CSP quote] > > > > Gary f. > > > > From: pei

Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25

p methodologies to analyze bundles of signs. All are drawn as necessary conditions which, since they are necessary, must find their implementation in phaneroscopy, and it is in that they are useful. Best regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikip

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Semiotics, Semiosis, Sign Relations

thought... I would like a reciprocal... I always thought that you had the capacity to do it without giving up your certainties, but I must say that today I am disappointed... Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; Ph.D. Mathematics ; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty *https

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Tribalism (was André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25)

eason and > evidence have been pointedly ignored. If others want to see examples of the > tribalist “debating” technique, they can look into the archives and read > almost any recent post by Robert Marty. I mention him specifically because > he has openly declared his favored style of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Modeling in Humanities : the case of Peirce's Semiotics.(Part A)

t the same time it is sufficiently like the problem set before him to answer, well or ill, as a substitute for it*." (CP 3.559, again) But maybe it is "tribalistic" to remind it? Regards, Robert Marty Honorary Professor; Ph.D. Mathematics; Ph.D. Philosophy fr.wik

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