Is the other model supposed to be the Appaloosa or was that a one and done
model (i feel that there were a few prototypes and a complete bike as a web
special but don't recall that one ever being 'offered').
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:26:20 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
Very
I thought it was one of the better blug posts - wide variety, touching on
things internal to RBW, hinting at new models (where's Joe Appaloosa?),
covering hatchets in more detail than ever, and introducing a new book.
Bravo.
- Andrew, Berlkeley
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 7:26:20 PM
I think that was more just and interesting photo. I don't think that's a
Rivendell frame.
More importantly, check out Will's Hillborne on the BLUG. That's my
favorite build in a while. I saw a big Hillborne with Paul Racers at the
Bikebookhatchet store last weekend and it was freaking
That sage green Sam sure is pretty, ain't it? Will has some really neat
bikes. Check the one with the behind-the-seatube front derailer shifter!
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Thursday, March 13, 2014 6:51:29 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
I think that was more just and interesting photo. I
On Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:08:41 AM UTC-5, Noah Deuce wrote:
Michael,
I have a 700 Hilsen.
As a side note, don't be afraid to follow Riv sizing conventions. I'm
5'8, 30 inseam, not oddly proportioned, and I ride a 61cm. And I'm riding
clipless with my cleats shoved all the way
I had talked to the Riv peeps before about what size for my 82 pbh. They
said 54, 55, or 56.
So 55 it will be when the time comes because of 700c and my short reach.
Don't wanna push it with a 56.
Just wundrin' if something roadish was coming down the pike but sounds like
no.
I
Michael,
I have a 700 Hilsen.
As a side note, don't be afraid to follow Riv sizing conventions. I'm 5'8, 30
inseam, not oddly proportioned, and I ride a 61cm. And I'm riding clipless with
my cleats shoved all the way back in the slot, so my saddle height isn't
artificially high.
Noah
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Why not get the San Marcos if you are looking for a roadie 700c bike? Save
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On Dec 20, 2012 12:53 AM, Michael john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
@Esteban:
I would like a custom, but the $$ are so high for them these days.
I think I would want
I have a 31 or 79 cm PBH (30 inseam pants) and ride a 54 AHH. My
saddle height is 69 cm. With a 61 cm seat tube and 170 mm cranks that
amounts to 61+17cm=78 cm of crank length to the top of the seat tube,
which would give me a 1cm seat + seatpost height (impossible for me).
Does your 30 inseam
@Toshi: Yes, my 30 inseam gives me a saddle height of about 78cm, and a pubic
bone height of about 86cm.
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Ha!
Maybe we have the same inseam but differ in PBH by 7 cm because I wear
my pants over my belly and you wear yours gangsta style. :-)
Toshi
On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Noah Deuce iprufr...@gmail.com wrote:
@Toshi: Yes, my 30 inseam gives me a saddle height of about 78cm, and a
pubic
I have, and love, an A. Homer Hilsen. I bought it when I was 27, and four
years later it's still the best ride I've ever had. I've commuted on it,
ridden it 200 miles in a day on gravel roads, climbed over Lee Hill Road in
Boulder (just like the USA Pro Cycling Challenge!...Uh, only slower),
@Noah,
Your Hilsen is a 700, or 650b frame?
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@Esteban:
I would like a custom, but the $$ are so high for them these days.
I think I would want to test ride my next Rivbike purchase as I am gonna
look for something a little quicker than the Bleriot I have.
It handles great and is very stable and I love it, but want to find
something
Hi Jim!
With beautifully lugged 2-3k$ frame with superfat tires riding in the snow
on Minneapolis/St. Paul streets and getting it infested with rust. No
thanks, man! In my opinion those fat tires are overrated, slow and
compromises the frame's integrity and geometry making it uncomfortable.
The
I was surprised that a second iteration of the Bleriot didn't happen, at
least as a frameset.
Now that the next batch of Hillborne sizes will likely go heavy on 700C,
I'd be surprised if we don't see a similarly appointed frame at that
pricepoint with 650B across the range. The tires are
A 26 wheel All Rounder made in Taiwan? Threaded headset, but lighter and
livelier than a LHT? Or perhaps a light-weight randonneur that could
interchange 650b Hetres and 26 wheels (on 50mm rubber), and that runs on
rim brakes? I know, just crazy talk.
On Friday, December 14, 2012 12:12:50
One thing Grant must occasionally think about is that the various models
overlap a lot. Another all-rounder or touring bike would cannibalize from
Hilsen, Atlantis, Hillborne, Hunq, and Bomba sales, since those bikes more than
cover that category. Sure, the new thing could have 26 wheels or
Good idea, Jim. Would only add that it might be even better as a drop bar
specific bike.
Hey, why not wish?
Eric Platt
On Dec 14, 2012 8:09 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com
wrote:
One thing Grant must occasionally think about is that the various models
overlap a lot.
If you look at the market it will be for retiring boomers. They will
be buying upgrades on components, tandems, and comfort bikes that don't
look as ungainly as most bikes in that category do. Also low maintenance -
IGH, bikes designed for chain guards and integrated fenders, and even
You can always get a Riv Custom. Here's my '99 Joe/Joe, with nary a fender
mount on the chainstay bridge. 28mm tires feel the best.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/8088406652/in/photostream
There're are plenty of new custom bikes, it seems (Kirk, Vanilla, Hampsten)
for light,
If you like Grant's design philosophy and the ride quality of a Riv and
serious fancy lugs and fancy paint to last a lifetime, why not order a
custom?
That's EXACTLY what I'm going to do! I'm going to win the raffle and go
crazy. Woot!
On Friday, December 14, 2012 10:54:29 AM UTC-8,
Has Riv announced a second custom raffle, Bill? Cuz I'm going to win the first
one!
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A low-trail Saluki (across a wider size range that currently
available) made with Roadeo tubing might fill a small gap in their
line. The Randonneur market being hot right now, IMHO. Seems there
always a few hurt feelings in the comment sections of blogs like Off
the Beaten Path and Lovely
I can't imagine something coming along to replace the Hilsen, especially
with the San Marcos and Roadeo also available. The Hilsen is a great bike
that is extremely versatile. I get the feeling that Gran is extremely happy
with the Hilsen and plans on keeping it around for many years, much like
My impression is that the next bike in the pipeline is the HS/Bosco/Mystery
Bike if GP can convince himself anyone will buy it. The Rivendell Road Bike
has been covered numerous times since 1994; I don't see it being updated
again anytime soon.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Thursday, December
I think the re-jiggering of road models over the last 10 years or so has a
lot to do with component (esp. brake) availability as a whole. In the
dark ages of 94-2000 or so, there were simply no long-reach brakes
available for road bikes, so Grant had to integrate his ideas into the
Road which
I would like batches of Rivs built to accommodate Paul Racer braze ons but
guess that is too small a market to ever be feasible. A Hilsen with
canti-posts would take the new Paul Mini Vs though. That would be swell.
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I have absolutely zero inside knowledge of Riv... but this rationale seems
spot on.
Eric Daume
Dublin, OH
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Jeremy Till jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote:
I think the re-jiggering of road models over the last 10 years or so has a
lot to do with component (esp. brake)
Next on the list will be an Atlantis style touring frame made in Taiwan to
compete with VO's Campeur and the Surly Trucker. I think this frame will be
built with real touring in mind and with more traditional angles like the
Atlantis only $1000 less expensive. I'd buy a frame like
Seems like anything new would be pretty similar to the Hilsen, but
perhaps in a different color and with a different name. The roadish
Rivendell category is somewhat tightly constrained. I kinda doubt we'll see
a new Riv with press-in BB or a tapered headtube for zero-stack headset
anytime
Sad when a $1400 bike is referred to as a beater.
On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 5:24:49 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote:
Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly
affordable ($1400) complete bike.
Cool stuff.
Shipping is going up $1 too. I think i'll live.
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I'm pretty sure it's meant affectionately/ironically.
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Vallejo, CA.
On Friday, July 6, 2012 5:37:58 PM UTC-7, Duplomacette wrote:
Sad when a $1400 bike is referred to as a beater.
On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 5:24:49 PM UTC-5, Zack wrote:
Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a
I think you're close Peter. Soma's Stanyan comes in around the $700 mark
and they're using Tange. Velo-Orange also has a lugged frame retailing
around $700, although they've been on sale forever. The recent post
mentions tubing that's not as nice as other bikes so I imagine there's some
wiggle
On Jul 3, 10:19 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
It probably takes a year to produce because Grant doesn't have $20,000,000
in the bank.actually there are probably quite a few reasons why a
company takes time to get something into production.everything from
financing, parts
On Jul 3, 2012, at 11:51 PM, pb wrote:
Riv has had historic alliances with Merry Sales (if I recall correctly
-- weren't they the folks who distributed the Bleriot? Or was it
QBP?), as well as with Soma. Any of those could be very helpful in
lining up suppliers and supplies.
QBP handled the
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 23:51 -0700, pb wrote:
Ah, I don't think it would take $20,000,000 to bring a bike to
market. I suspect that manufacturers in Taiwan are much more nimble
than that, and I suspect that parts manufacturers will be happy to
make sales.
The Kogswell P/R came to market,
I agree with Jim that a lot of the year is in prototyping. Especially if Grant
is working with tubes and/or lugs he's not so accustomed to, he'll want to
build up a couple and make sure they are still Rivs. The last thing he needs is
to have a bike out there that doesn't live up to the name, no
On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:00:45 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to
the ground?
Well, yeah. Which is why some aspects of this development make me scratch
my head.
Cheap? $1,400 ain't cheap if you're an hourly-wage worker.
Unfortunately everyone cant own a Rivendell, it is a bit of a luxury item
but one that is beautiful and functional. So unlike a set of earrings or a
new watch you can actually do something with a 2k Rivendell. This new
project will at least lower that cost restriction but it will still be
insane
I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high
$ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along
with big TVs, electronic junk and fancy phones/service, at least to
judge by what I see in the parking lot and on the shelves at my (as
rare as possible) trips
+1 on all that, especially horizontal drops
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess that the Xmart crowd often (not always, of course) spends high
$ on cars and big trucks a lot fancier than many listers own, along
with big TVs, electronic junk and
$1400 isn't a huge premium over the CrossCheck and Long Haul Trucker completes,
which I would suggest are eating away at the bottom of the Rivendell market.
The LHT is SO common here in Philly, built up straight from Surly. I think the
are a lot of folks who could be upsold a couple hundred
On Jul 3, 10:00 pm, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to the
ground?
Manny:
You can't ride a Riv to the ground; they're just too tough. You can
wear out a lot of parts, tear up the paint pretty bad; dent it
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
+1 on all that, especially horizontal drops
Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of
derailleur drive trains, and this bike is coming with a derailleur drive
train.
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:44 AM, PATRICK
Agreed. Verticals are so much nicer on a derailler bike, and you never have to
worry about wheel slippage when using QR.
-Jim W.
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On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
+1 on all that,
Heartily agreed, steve.
-sv
On Jul 4, 2012 1:11 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:53 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
+1 on all that, especially horizontal drops
Why? They're an enormous pain in the a$$ with no benefit for users of
derailleur drive trains,
I admire the desire for sure but I am scratching my head ...
First even if that can build a prototype for $1400 the real bike
will be more like $1600-1800. I base this on the their history of
introducing frames at a price but they go up very quickly. Look at the
Atlantis and
Bah, horizontal drops worked well for decades and the give the option to go
SS or internal, why not have options? Setting a wheel straight in a
dropout takes about 30 seconds.
On Jul 4, 2012 1:19 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
Agreed. Verticals are so much nicer on a derailler
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 13:22 -0400, Peter Morgano wrote:
Bah, horizontal drops worked well for decades and the give the option
to go SS or internal, why not have options? Setting a wheel straight
in a dropout takes about 30 seconds.
Horizontal dropouts NEVER worked well. They worked lousy,
I would embrace horizontal dropouts too. I've never had an issue with one
since the 70's ... ever . Vertical I have had issues.
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I agree that verticals are better for derailleurs, but what about
buyers who may want to use a ss hub or hub gear? Are they to be
deprived of the cheapest Rivendell?
Note that this comes from someone who overrode Grant's suggestion of
horizontals for two customs and ended up fixi-fying them: one
Steve: First, no one who is competent ever had more than 1/2 second's
drawback putting a derailleur wheel into horizontal dropouts. Second,
as to the argument from who is to suffer for others' convenience, that
is surely a double edged sword and reduces to I want versus they
want.
As to the
20 years of riding at least 10 different bikes with horizontal drops,
never an issue with slipping and again 30 seconds to set up oh and I am 240
and rode fixes with horizontal drops, again no slipping. Options are nice,
especially if they want to get a broad audience.
On Jul 4, 2012 1:34 PM,
From the e-mail, it sounds as if this will be for complete builds only but
if Rivendell offered a frameset I might be interested. I would consider
paying a small premium over a Surly or Soma for a Rivendell. I'm building
up an older frame with a nice selection of parts so a complete bike
+1 for no problems with horiz. dropouts and QRs. I certainly haven't
had any issues with slippage on my quickbeam with the stock Suzue QR hub,
and I've really stomped on the pedals sometimes. BUT, I do like
vertical dropouts nonetheless, since they are just that much easier when
I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard of
some reputable people struggle with it. We're capable of functioning with
horizontals, but as Steve said, they can be a pain.
- Jim W.
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On Jul 4, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Peter Morgano
I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have
eccentric hubs Let us eat cake!
On Jul 4, 2012 2:06 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
I've had slipping rear wheel problems, it's annoying, and I've even heard
of some reputable people struggle with it. We're
I used an ENO on my first (1994) Riv custom and found that the brake
bridge was low enough that my 32 mm tire would rub the fender under
said bridge unless I took the trouble to rotate the hub *downward*
when uptaking chain slack -- an operation that I personally judge to
be 25.97865473% harder
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:39 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
* Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap,
uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a
(gawd-DAMN!!) derailleur??!!
You do realize the bike in question will come delivered with
The question stands.
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:39 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
* Why would you want to mar, disfigure, upset, compromise, handicap,
uglify and depreciate a **Rivendell** -- even the cheapest!! -- with a
I'm a giant fan of fixed gear bikes, but I'm tired of horizontal dropouts.
If a bike is made for derailleurs, vertical makes more sense. I might
prefer verticals all around, and use an eccentric ENO hub. Most of my
aspirational bikes come with Phil eccentric bottom brackets to get the
People PLEASE. If Grant wants to snag some Surly/SOMA buyers with a cheaper
Rivendell sold as a complete derailer bike, he's gonna use verticals like
they do. If any Riv were a candidate for eccentric dropouts, it would be
the HS/Rosco/Bosco, which is not intended to have a front derailer. This
I like how anyone who wants options is like a leper, haha. you have
eccentric hubs Let us eat cake!
LOL! It's a bike Rivendell might offer, that might have vertical
dropouts, or might have horizontal ones. Both afford the user options,
both have drawbacks. Nobody is
Haha, it was just a funny comment to me since it came off so patronizing.
We all have our perfect bike in our mind and doubtful we would all agree on
the same thing but it is fun to discuss our difference in opinions.
On Jul 4, 2012 4:50 PM, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote:
I
I've developed a problem w/ horizontals on one of my bikes. Never had a
problem before or with other bikes, but it's pretty frustrating and
possibly going to be an expensive fix. I foolishly ordered horizontal when
I had it built thinking I wanted the option of riding it SS. Mistakes were
made,
I apologize to Peter for sounding patronizing.
Happy 4th of July, everyone.
-Jim W.
P.S. Just came back from a great sibling/nephew ride in coastal San Diego. It
was Hillbornian. Details to follow.
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On Jul 4, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
No need to apologize, hope everyone stays safe today.
On Jul 4, 2012 6:56 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
I apologize to Peter for sounding patronizing.
Happy 4th of July, everyone.
-Jim W.
P.S. Just came back from a great sibling/nephew ride in coastal San Diego.
It was
Dropout-style is up to Keven and Brian--as are many-most-maybe all of the
other stuff. Fixie fanatics will feel perturbed if it has verticals, and
yet the arguments for verticals are good, too---. I will look things over,
and have coached K and B minorly in frame design stuff--how to determine
Maybe the value positioning will make double top tubes impossible,
which development I would welcome.
:-)
pb
On Jul 3, 3:24 pm, Zack zack...@gmail.com wrote:
Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly
affordable ($1400) complete bike.
Cool stuff.
Shipping is
Agree with Joe on the minimalist detail approach; keep it low
profile. Using generic, non-group parts, it could be done. You just
ride it for a while after a year upgrade whatever is tired. Wheels
will of necessity be machine built, no label hoops. We'll probably
see very simple lugs, as on
Maybe the value positioning will make double top tubes impossible,
which development I would welcome.
Best comment ever.
But yes. Totally interested.
- Ryan
On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:59:03 PM UTC-7, pb wrote:
Maybe the value positioning will make double top tubes impossible,
which
Beater Rivendell? I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to the
ground?
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On Jul 3, 3:35 pm, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be
possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless the
are having 1k frames made in China or something like that.
Lessee...
Riv and
It probably takes a year to produce because Grant doesn't have $20,000,000
in the bank.actually there are probably quite a few reasons why a
company takes time to get something into production.everything from
financing, parts vendors, production availability, company debt (back
to
I just finished building mine this weekend. Rode it to work today for
the first time. Very nice !!!
On Apr 29, 10:14 am, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
Just ordered one of the Green 'Sams' and look forward to many miles of
riding this summer.
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I have an orange Sam and love it, so far my favorite bike. My bet is that
you really like it and you want to ride it all the time.
On Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:14:02 PM UTC-5, charlie wrote:
Just ordered one of the Green 'Sams' and look forward to many miles of
riding this summer.
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Congrats. I just ordered a blue one and can't wait. Post pictures!
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Will post photos..its going to get all the semi new parts I have
on an old Raleigh frame. Mustache bar, sprung saddle, etc. It will be
my 'faster bike' with deraileurs. I like the blue frame but the green
is different and I've only seen a few complete ones in photos
so.we'll see, it
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