[RBW] Re: Wheel Builder

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Velocity USA builds their wheels in Grand Rapids MI.  I am very happy with 
the set I ride on.

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 8:13:50 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> I could use a recommendation for a good wheel builder. I've used 
> prowheelbuilder.com in the past and have no complaints. Not sure how I 
> landed on them. Just curious if there is another business that I should be 
> looking into? I'm located in Indianapolis as well, and would prefer sending 
> business to a local or at least midwest company if possible.  
>
> I'm looking for a set of 700c wheels for my Atlantis. I'm thinking I'll do 
> velocity cliffhangers with a SON up front and a nice rear hub. The rear is 
> not yet totally decided as I like quiet hubs but there are not many options 
> in rim brake, 36-40h hubs these days. I've got an onyx silent hub on my 
> crust and love it but they only go up to 32h and I'd prefer 36 or 40 as I'm 
> a big dude. Which is why I'm thinking about a white industry (loud as they 
> come) rear hub in 36 or 40h. 
>
> Anyway. I'd like to hear about your preferred wheel builders. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

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Tell Braelyn when you see her next that we all say hello!

On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:26:42 AM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> [image: Mister Fox]
>
> Leah,
> I love this story and I can see the whole thing in my mind.  How wonderful!
> Love, Your RivSister, Kate
>
> *upyou...@yahoo.com*
> *Kate Gilson*
> [image: Image Preview]
>
>
> [image: Mister Fox]
> [image: Paperless Post] 
> 
>  Yahoo 
> Mail Stationery 
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 10:11:21 AM CDT, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote: 
>
>
> Every other Tuesday, when her dad has her, this little thing waits at the 
> end of her driveway with her dad and they jump on the back. She smiles the 
> entire time, and we don’t slow down for her. She can hang a few miles, then 
> she thanks us and she and her dad head for home. She’s our baby, but we 
> cannot call her that to her face. But she is. It’s a pretty far age gap 
> from us to her, age 8. I can’t wait for her to join us for real as she gets 
> a little older. You just don’t often get experiences that are this level of 
> adorable, but here we are, getting one every other Tuesday!
> Leah
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:15:49 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> Leah,
>
> As a grandfather of three - two now grown - this was fun to read. I am 
> sure the little girl caught your enthusiasm. When I can, I slow down and 
> call out, "Nice bike!" to very young riders I encounter on our local trail. 
> We are all ambassadors.
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:12:31 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
> I really do have the sweetest, cutest story from the Tuesday night women’s 
> ride. 
>
> We had a small group of 7 riders that night. We were several miles in when 
> suddenly from behind, I heard two unfamiliar voices, one belonging to a 
> child, and one belonging to a man. I looked back and was astounded - there 
> at the end of our peloton was an 8 year old girl on a tiny blue Trek bike, 
> wearing her matching blue helmet, blonde hair flying and huge grin on full 
> display. I looked at her father, helmetless and riding his own bike. He 
> wore a look half proud and half sheepish. “This is Braelyn, and she’s been 
> watching you go by every week,” he said. “And she’s been wanting to ride 
> with you; she said, ‘Daddy, Tuesday night at 6:50 they’ll be here.’ And she 
> got ready so she could join you tonight.” I looked at my speedometer…we 
> were riding at over 17 mph. She moved up behind me and another woman fell 
> in behind her. 
>
> “Ok, honey, you listen for when I call out things like stick or hole, ok?” 
>
> “Ok!” she said, flashing a Cheshire Cat grin. And we pedaled on, flying 
> over country roads with our tiny companion and her daddy. She stayed with 
> us for a few miles and then they peeled off after the second set of 
> railroad tracks. I wish I had gotten a photo, but maybe next week we’ll see 
> her again and I’ll get my chance.
>
> I’m sure we were in violation of like 30 club rules but Michigan doesn’t 
> scold you for things like these. Braelyn and her little Trek, legs flying 
> and hair streaming…I doubt we will ever see anything better than her on the 
> Tuesday Night Ride.
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Delicious!
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ... Some guy will come find me at my vehicle and tell me how I’m doing it 
> wrong. After getting lectured about how I could go 25% faster if I had this 
> bike and narrow tires, blah, blah, I say, “Well, I just beat you, so I 
> don’t think my bike is the problem.”  
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Re: [RBW] Upcoming Riv Ride: Chicago

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Pictures?

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 9:54:56 PM UTC-5 gsna...@gmail.com wrote:

> Managed to get the train up from Champaign, and looking forward to meeting 
> folks tomorrow.
>
> Cheers,
> -Gautham
>
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:50:18 PM UTC-5 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> Hello Leah,
>> Not too far off the path on your way south is Argyle Street aka Little 
>> Vietnam. Tank Noodle is a fantastic place to get authentic Vietnamese food. 
>> Are you going all the way south to Promontory Point in Hyde Park? If so, 
>> there are a number of eateries on 53rd Street that are not too far from the 
>> Lake Front Path. 
>> Best,
>> Rob Blunt
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 10:04 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> The celebrated Lakefront Trail in Chicago is calling. I’ve never done it 
>>> but on August 26th, I’ll get the chance..and you’re invited!
>>>
>>> Mack’s Bike and Goods, the Evanston Rivendell dealer, will be expecting 
>>> us. We will meet there at a time TBD on the morning of the 26th, visit the 
>>> shop and then catch the trail from there. We will have lunch at the Navy 
>>> Pier (restaurant also TBD, locals feel free to weigh in) and ride for maybe 
>>> a total of 30-40 miles. 
>>>
>>> Bring your favorite Rivendell, some mad money to spend at Mack’s if you 
>>> like, your sparkly personality and join us for our first Chicago Riv Ride. 
>>>
>>> Please let us know if you plan to attend!
>>>
>>> Leah Peterson and Marc Irwin
>>>
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[RBW] Re: ‘95 Rivendell Road, repainted at Waterford

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Looks great!  Love that you found correct downtube decals for the bike.

On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 12:37:22 PM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bought this from a list member over the winter, the frame got damaged a 
> little in transit (no fault of the seller), so I decided on a 
> repair/repaint. I was lucky to get this to Waterford just in time, it ended 
> up being one of their last projects. I know at least a couple people saw 
> the frame during the Waterford factory tour a couple months ago, thought 
> I’d share a photo now that I’ve finished the build. Well, I’m nearly 
> finished, I can see from the picture I put a tire on backwards. But just 
> about there. Only have about 50 miles on it, but couldn’t be happier so far.
>
> Cody, Chicago
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Re: [RBW] ISO: Toyo Atlantis, All-Rounder, Saluki, Rambo (53/54 range)

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The ad states that he doesn't know the manufacturer. Definitely not RBW. 
Looks like maybe a low end Peugeot.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:43:57 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Not sure about that original Rivendell listed for $1 which is not $1 in 
> Brooklyn. If he means 1K I think he's dreaming in Technicolor.
>
> I downloaded one of the photos to zoom in on and regardless of the crappy 
> obviously  not original paint job with no decals or anything else to 
> identify it, the lugs and the fork don't look like OG Riv lugs or fork  to 
> me. It's not a great photo but I'm not sure seeing it in person would 
> change my mind. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 3:15:29 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Atlantis: 56cm
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/843147776777889/
>>
>> Appaloosa: 54cm
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-appaloosa-54cm/7639357342.html
>>
>> Sam Hillborne: 51cm
>>
>> https://charlottesville.craigslist.org/bik/d/charlottesville-gently-used-rivendell/7641259969.html
>>
>> Sam Hillborne: 55cm:
>>
>> https://northernwi.craigslist.org/bik/d/saint-germain-sam-hillbourne/7637994238.html
>>
>> Rivendell Original: 56cm
>>
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-original-rivendell-56cm-ml/7646090906.html
>>
>> Rambouillet: 52cm
>>
>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/bik/d/gilbert-rivendell-rambouillet/7635579143.html
>>
>> Rambouillet: 56cm
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-rambouillet-1st/7639406959.html
>>
>> Protovelo: 57cm
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/bik/d/lewisville-rivendell-protovelo-57cm/7648544548.html
>>
>> Heron: 59cm
>>
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/bik/d/los-angeles-1993-heron-rivendell/7648263190.html
>>
>> Susie Longbolts: 56cm
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-susie-longbolt/7648066687.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2023, at 12:55 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> I am on the search for a classic Rivendell frame. I am open to pretty 
>> much any of the older frames and don't really care if its 26", 650B. or 
>> 700C. Bleriot, Saluki, Hilson, Atlantis. I am really open. I just want to 
>> build up and have one of the classic Riv's. I am typically in the 53/54 
>> range for the older less slopey top tube stuff.  Hit me up. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] 650b Gravel Bikes?

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It's not hard to convert a 700 wheel bike to 650B.  I have 2 of them right 
now and sold one last year. 

On Saturday, July 1, 2023 at 7:03:47 PM UTC-5 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t know about a bike dedicated to 650B in all sizes but some smaller 
> Rivs come as a 650B and the Susie is 650B… but what is a gravel bike, after 
> all, but a bike ridden on gravel or hard-pack dirt roads? I would classify 
> most of the bikes made by Riv as gravel or gravel adjacent. They’ve almost 
> all got generous tire clearance. The only thing modern gravel bikes have 
> that Rivs lack are expensive electronics and disc brakes, really…
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 4:47 PM George Schick  wrote:
>
>> There has been a lot of discussion about "gravel bikes" on this blog 
>> lately, but has there been any consideration given to a 650B gravel bike, 
>> so to speak?  IOW, are there any bikes set up like a 650B and with 
>> available "gravel accommodating" tires available?  Maybe I've missed 
>> something in the discussion threads, but I can't recall seeing this.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Velocity Synergy Rim

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Velocity dropped the OC version of the Synergy a while ago after reports of 
rim cracking appeared. Then they dropped the Synergy model altogether. The 
Atlas model takes the place of Synergy now.   You can still get OC rims in 
the A23 model in 700c size.

On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 7:29:24 AM UTC-5 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have damaged my rear 650b /32H OC rim and need to replace it.  I am 
> hoping to find the exact replacement, to reuse the spokes, but they seem to 
> be out of production.  If anyone has one sitting around unused I would like 
> to have it.
>
> Michael
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[RBW] Hattiesburg MS Riv Ride

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A couple of us unracers have hit upon 5/20/23 as the date for a relaxed 
pedal on the Longleaf Trace from Hattiesburg, MS. A coffee/etc stop will 
definitely be available somewhere along our way.  Company is certainly 
welcome. We haven't confirmed the start time, but will. If weather looks 
like an issue, we will discuss a re-schedule date.

Tailwinds!
Bruce

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[RBW] Re: Ramouillet max tire

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The Ram came as a complete with 32mm Panaracer Pasela tires.  It will also 
fit fenders with this tire.  Without fenders, the Pasela 1 1/2" fits 
easily. This applies to both the 622 and 559 rim editions, EXCEPT for the 
early orange batch that came in with the rear brake bridge in too low.  The 
622 converts nicely to 584 with bigger tires and the 559 can also run 571 
wheels with smaller max tire sizes. 

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 11:07:58 AM UTC-5 cdres...@gmail.com wrote:

> I know this has been covered before but still not quite sure what the max 
> tire size is for a Rambouillet. Mine is a 2003 and right now I run 700x25 
> with plastic fenders. When I replace those tires with larger ones but it 
> looks pretty tight to go no more than a 28. Herse has the Chinook (28) and 
> the Cayuse Pass (26).
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Re: [RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

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Romulus was the model that caught my eye and made me want to get a 
Rivendell.  It was never made in small sizes, so that didn't happen.  In 
2006, I ordered and got a Rambouillet 52 cm instead, which I still have. A 
little fanicer than Romulus but I hear they ride about the same.

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 5:21:10 PM UTC-5 Matti wrote:

> Since we love to discuss the beauty of Rivendell frames... does anyone 
> else find the Romulus head tube badge design strangely crude, maybe even 
> intentionally humorous?  It seems such an odd contrast to the calligraphic 
> script of the down tube graphics.
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:24:57 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug — The Romulus was offered as a complete bike and "budget" version 
>> of the Rambouillet. 
>>
>> Full brochure here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-24 at 2.24.19 PM.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> What crankset is on the Saluki? looks like a TA, the one with 3 bcd 
>>> drillings:  110/74/54.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 8:23:49 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 RamBOBs,

 I think all of these are quite accurate recollections. Our little 
 family peloton (admittedly, a kind of 'embarrassment of riches') includes 
 a 
 RAM acquired in '04, a SAM circa '11, and most recently an NOS 650b DOG 
 (Saluki) that chased us down and just wouldn't let us get away. Each what 
 might be called 'classic' road bike. No stretched out chainstays or swoopy 
 tubes, just delightful, well-mannered, well-proportioned, comfortable, 
 artful road machines.  

 The most recent addition—Saluki—to these old eyes, cannot be 
 distinguished from any of the finest bespoke art bikes we all spend 
 hours admiring on our computers. Every detail is refined and well thought 
 out. Quite amazing. We just replaced old no-named rubber with 38mm Pari 
 Motos and must admit that the 650b fairy dust seems real even if it makes 
 no mechanical sense. Whatever—it feels fast and comfortable and is truly a 
 handsome creature.

 I guess you could call GP and have him build one for you, but we most 
 definitely pine for the days we could just wander into our favorite 
 bike shop, grab one of these triangles off a hook and take it home. 
 Instant 
 gratification baby!

 Jock Dewey

 [image: Saluki.jpg]



 On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:25 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> I'm pretty sure the Rambouillet evolved from the LongLow.  How that 
> differed from the Road, I can't recall, but someone will.  The Ram was an 
> attempt to make a more affordable road bike, by virtue of having it be a 
> standard, off the shelf model.  The Romulous (and Redwood) were later 
> introduced as a way to offer a less expensive version of the Ram, by 
> simplifying some details and using less complicated paint.  There's a 
> thread from not too long ago where it was postulated and well-argued that 
> the Roadeo is really just a close linear descendent of the Ram.


>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:37:55 AM UTC-6 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Howdy folks.
>>
>> Wasn't there an RBW road frame BITD that was basically a more basic 
>> Rambouillet?  I think they were blue, and I don't remember if they were 
>> offered concurrently or after.  I think there was also a tall version 
>> called the Redwood...
>>
>> Thanks, Doug
>>
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[RBW] Re: Has anybody 650'ed a Riv Road?

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I put 650B on a 54.5 frame so I could stand over it more comfortably (my 
normal size frame for a 700 wheel road bike is 50 cm). I put 12,500 + miles 
on it and loved it.  38 is the max size. I thought the handling in 
particular was great. YMMV. Conti makes a good 28 mm 650B tire, others 
available in wider widths from Soma, Compass, Panaracer, Michelin.

Tailwinds!

Bruce


On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 12:58:07 PM UTC-5 Peter Bridge wrote:

> Has anybody on the list 650'ed one of the old Rivendell Road frames, the 
> ones that take short brakes and that max out at 28c tires?  What was the 
> outcome?  
>
> ~pb
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Re: [RBW] Re: A report on my new leather saddle

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I've been riding Selle Anatomica saddles since Riv started selling them 
(they don't at present) many years ago. I prefer the original design for 
comfort but the current one works well too, and perhaps gives more use 
before replacement of the leather top.

On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:13:37 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tom..
> I am glad to hear that you have and own a Selle Anatomica saddle for the 
> last two years.  I hope you decide well for your next saddle.  More head 
> scratching ?
>
> Eliot...
> Since this is my first Selle Anatomica saddle, I did not want touch the 
> tension bolt yet. I want to see how it rides as is. So far, it is working 
> up and down the block. I have to go on a long ride and truly see how it 
> feels and behaves.
> Yes, I am aware of Selle Anatomica's website of their "how to videos".  I 
> thank-you for pointing that out to me. 
>
> Keith..
> I thank-you for your input. My saddle has those bag loops. However, I will 
> not be using them. I will be using my Topeak trunk bag. 
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA
>
> ...rotated my tires today. 
>
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:17:13 AM UTC-8 Keith Weaver wrote:
>
>> I have found a couple of solutions to the lack of bag loops on modern 
>> saddles. Velo Orange sells clamp on loops, but they didn't look very strong 
>> to me. The Restuvus saddle attachment is nicely made and feels very secure. 
>> I haven't used mine a lot, but I think it's a great option. One source I 
>> found is here: https://builtbyswift.com/shop/hobo-pieces-restuvus/
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 7:28 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>>
>>> I found that the Selle Anatomica works for me, too.  I've had mine for 2 
>>> years now.  I need a saddle for my folding bike and I'm deciding to buy 
>>> another H2 saddle or not.  The selection of non-leather saddles that has 
>>> saddle bag loops is limited, unfortunately.
>>>
>>> Tom 
>>> Reston, VA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 8:37:24 AM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Doug,

 You are absolutely correct in of having a saddle that works best for 
 me. Now, I can more on to enjoying the ride and scenery. 

 I have a Brooks B-17 saddle on a bike that I retired years ago that 
 never got broken in. Never felt inclined to put it on my Clem. 

 Thank-you for sharing.

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

 On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 5:15:13 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:

> Kim,
> There is nothing better than a saddle that works for you. From your 
> photo I can see that the Selle Anotomica truly does have a hammock shape, 
> much different from a Brooks. I'm happy so far with my Brooks B17 but it 
> is 
> good to know there are leather options in the market.
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 1:17:01 AM UTC-5 JAS wrote:
>
>> Kim,
>> Way to go!  Congrats on getting the saddle you wanted.  It's always a 
>> bonus to get a piece of gear that makes riding a pleasure.  Many miles 
>> to 
>> you!
>>
>> --Joyce
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yesterday, I received in the mail from a purchase I made from a RBW 
>>> member a Selle Anotomica H1 black gun metal leather saddle. He gave me 
>>> a 
>>> real good deal on it. It had not been ridden with some blemishes on the 
>>> saddle. This is my first Selle Anatomica saddle. 
>>>
>>> My Brooks B67S saddle was hurting my seat bones. Have I become older 
>>> ? ...or has my butt gotten more bony ? I rode 14 miles last week. I had 
>>> to 
>>> stop occasionally and rest. Needless to say, it was very annoying. 
>>>
>>> Today, I hung up the Brooks saddle. I installed my Selle Anatomica 
>>> H1 saddle on my PAUL Tall & Handsome seat post. Test rode the saddle to 
>>> dial it in to my comfort between my garage and up and down the street 
>>> about 
>>> six or seven times. 
>>>
>>> Guess what ? it truly is a "hammock for my butt" !  
>>>
>>> It is quite comfortable. I think I can see myself riding longer 
>>> distances with more smiles.
>>>
>>> Less rain in the forecast for next week. Time to ride more.
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Thanksgiving Morning Clem crash

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 "many days I will take my 650B converted Road Standard"   Yes, this is a 
great combo. I did the same to my pre production sample Road and love it as 
a 650B.  Hope you take the time needed to heal fully and enjoy perusing 
bike parts catalogs as you consider handlebar options. Salsa Woodchippers? 
Something similar? Very stable and better looking on your bike, perhaps.

Tailwinds,

bruce

On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:09:46 PM UTC-6 Jim Bronson wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Well we had a warm rainy Thanksgiving morning here in the greater Austin 
> area.  I thought it might be a good thing to go ride around for an hour or 
> so to try to burn a few calories before consuming several thousand and of 
> course as always for enjoyment.   Being a native (Western) Oregonian the 
> rain is rarely a problem for me so off I went.
>
> Well my ride came to an unfortunate end after about 5 miles exiting a 
> traffic circle.  I was taking a right to exit when the bike went right out 
> from under me as fast as I can ever remember one doing so.  I never jerked 
> the handlebars or anything, it was just the same smooth steady motion that 
> I have used 20 or 30 times before on this same traffic circle.  But this 
> time I was down on the ground in a flash.
>
> Being that my Clem is in stock configuration and is a 65, I had a fair 
> distance to fall.  Unfortunately I broke my fibia and the fracture extends 
> to the bottom of my knee joint.  I won't be needing surgery but I cannot 
> put any weight on it for 6 weeks minimum.  We'll see what the orthopedic 
> surgeon says after that.
>
> The net effect of all this is that I'm thinking of putting drops on my 
> Clem when I get back to riding again.  I know it isn't how Grant intended 
> it, but the extremely upright position of the Clem now has me thinking 
> maybe it's not so good to be so high in the air if I have another fall at 
> some point.  I know this is driven by fear, but, I've often thought of 
> "dropping my Clem" in the past and this may just be the push I need in 
> order to do it.
>
> I know this is the opposite of what people in their 50s are usually doing 
> but I am very comfortable riding drops and many days I will take my 650B 
> converted Road Standard for just that reason.  on this particular day I 
> took the Clem because I didn't want some rain-loosened sharp rock to 
> puncture the somewhat fragile Compass tires on my Road Standard.  
>
> So anyway.
> Prove me wrong!
> Drops for Clem 2022!
>
> -Jim
> austin suburbs, tx
>
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[RBW] Re: Homers and road touring

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I rode the Mississippi Trail some years back solo on my Saluki, which is a 
Homer under the decals. Rear racks, front decaleur mount rando bag. Very 
stable handling when loaded. (get the trail guide book if you do this. Lots 
of good info). You can tour on a Homer.  Today, Apidura and others make 
capacious, lightweight  frame and saddle bags that let you save the weight 
of a frame.

Fullylugged in AL.

On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 11:12:05 AM UTC-5 Tirebiter ATX wrote:

> I have a question or the group.  I ride a Homer and considering using it 
> for road touring.  Since its not by definition a touring Rivendell, is 
> loaded touring pushing the envelope for this bike?
>
> thanks, 
> Lyman ATX
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 650b rim brake wheelset

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I had a set built on Shimano 105 hubs and Velocity rims at Universal cycles 
for $417, including shipping. I've been happy with them and I run 38 mm 
Pari Motos.
On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 12:29:18 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:

> For what it's worth, I've been happy with my Crust 650b wheelset. I've 
> been commuting on it daily and going on fire roads once in a while for 
> about 400ish miles? This is on Soma Cazadero 50mm tires set up tubeless.
>
> I did have to bust out the spoke key to true the rear wheel already. For 
> the rear spacing, I just let the quick release squeeze in the frame. Shrug, 
> Sheldon Brown said it would be okay? :)
>
> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 11:35:26 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You got me curious about the Crust wheels because I'm wishing now that 
>> I'd built my custom with a dynohub, so took a look. Note that the rear 
>> spacing is 130, my custom and most Rivs use 135. I don't know what frame 
>> you're building up so thought you should be aware of this. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 7:23:04 PM UTC-7 J wrote:
>>
>>> (cross post from iBob)
>>>
>>> I'm in need of a 650b rim brake, quick release wheelset in silver for a 
>>> new build. In solid consideration is the Crust 650b wheelset for $575. I 
>>> don't need a dynamo hub, but I'm not opposed to it (it'll just necessitate 
>>> buying a light as well) 48mm tires will likely live on them most of the 
>>> time but quite possibly 55mm as well. 
>>>
>>> Anyone have anything not getting used that can compete with the Crust 
>>> wheels that they'd like to sell? I'm in no way a wheel expert so other new 
>>> wheelset suggestions are welcome. I tried this a year or to ago and got a 
>>> bit overwhelmed at the time, leaving some good folks offers and suggestions 
>>> hanging, so I'll try not to do that again. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 47-49cm Saluki or Bleriot

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The 50 cm Saluki is 75.0 while the Bleriot 49 cm is 75.1 for stand over  So 
if a 49cm Bleriot would work, so will a 50 cm Saluki.  Just hives you one 
more option.
The 50 cm Rambouillet would also work (74.2 stand over) , but it has 559 
wheels, not 584 as you expressed a preference for. It will also accept 571 
wheels, should you want to experiment with that.

Nice bikes, all. Hope you find one you like.

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 8:16:23 PM UTC-5 Brian Morris wrote:

> Hi- I'm on a quest to find 47cm Saluki or 49cm Bleriot frame set out 
> there...My PBH is 75cm. preferably old geometry & 650B set up.  I know it 
> is fat chance to find one out there, especially small sizes. Hit me up if 
> you know anyone who may have one for sale. 
>
> Thanks,
> Brian M 
> Wilmington NC 
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

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Eric:

I have 38mm Pari Motos on my Riv Road (compact double for low to moderate 
climbing). They handle chipseal well, are quick, and have good grip in 
turns. Kevlar bead and lightweight but not long wearing or great on 
punctures if you ride where goatheads abound. I'll be doing a RUSA 
Populaire on it next Saturday. My Waterford RS-12 (XD-2 triple for taller 
and steeper climbing) is set up exactly like a Riv (it has the extended HT 
and same geometry) but has Continental Top Contact Speed in 32mm.  RBW 
sells or sold these tires for Clems in particular and called them 
"basketball tires." Not as plush at the Pascentis but tougher and longer 
lasting.

Tailwinds..
Bruce

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:23:03 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

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I'm going to agree with Andy here. My Rambouillet has been built up is a 
couple of different ways and has been excellent each time. Great handing 
and very capable on fast, curvy downhills. I prefer it to the 
Saluki/(Hilsen is the same bike and Hillborne is very similar) which I 
ended up selling.  I also have an an early Road pre-production sample and 
like it a lot, but it is less versatile.  There are plenty of miles on both 
however. I have not ridden a Platy yet, but from what I read, I wonder if 
it's feel is Ram-ish.

Bruce

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 5:57:18 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> Welcome Alexander, Rivendell is like a garage party with a band that's a 
> more humbling experience with talent, better than a huge show at a big 
> forum. 
>
> Back in my shop days Bridgestone was our bread and butter. Grant earned 
> the ability to design the US market product and they were so much better 
> riding bikes that even an average rider would return smiling after a 
> fifteen minute test ride. Not the highest volume bikes, Grant even told us 
> they would be the hardest to sell since folks want to believe what they 
> already do, even if presented with examples otherwise.
>
> I called Grant several years into Rivendell after Bridgestone when I 
> needed a bike more specific for longer rides, farther from home than my 
> RB-1 (which didn't really fit me-my legs are too long for my height). From 
> the Rivendell Reader and catalog I was thinking I needed a custom but he 
> told me about the Rambouillet. It was the next "stock" model, stablemate of 
> the already in production Atlantis and checked the boxes of my list, adding 
> some I hadn't considered. 
>
> I rode my Rambouillet across the country and on every ride I took since 
> including some things less than fire trails, having long been an underbiker 
> and gone miles on forest service "roads" on bikes not apparent to that use. 
> We were riding gravel before its current adherents were born and I used my 
> XO-2 and RB-1. Rivendell marketed the model name as the useful, dependable 
> sheep that provided much utility to those keeping flocks of them. 
>
> My Rambouillet shines in it's smoothness of ride and predictable handling. 
> Much of that is because of how well it fits me, something random other 
> riders have noted to me on rides. A the Five Boros ride in NYC my wife 
> tired of how frequently folks approached and remarked on my Rambouillet and 
> was who pointed out how sour those around us on what she called modern 
> bikes looked. The bike continues to be a bike people comment on regardless 
> of how expensive proximate modern bikes are.
>
> It's a bike that can be used in many ways that rewards my uses. Sort of 
> where the brand and Grant position themselves.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgg
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:29:44 PM UTC-4 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the closest 
>> I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently reached a 
>> point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it got me 
>> wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
>> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>>
>> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>>
>> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've wanted 
>> a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit obsessed with 
>> the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its own way. Mostly 
>> just curious what you all find yourself riding the most though!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Selle Anatomica X2 saddle owner

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Thanks for the history lesson and observations.  I have 2 titanticos in 
service and they are my favorites.  I gave up padded shorts from the get go 
and have never looked back. I also have an X-2 and it is more hammocky than 
the titantico but still very comfy the nose on it is higher. Finally I have 
the H-2, bought on sale. I am well under the threshold weight and I will 
have to break this in, so it's on the shelf for later. My 4th upright bike 
sports a Brooks B15N (There's one for saddle history buffs) that is so well 
broken in, I cannot not continue to ride it.

Tips:  Obenaufs instead of Saddle Sauce or Proofide.
   Don't over tighten. A little sling is good.
   Saddle cover in the rain.

Taiwinds,

Old Slow Bruce

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:47:32 PM UTC-5 divis...@gmail.com wrote:

> That's the entire point of Selle An-Atomicas (and, to a lesser degree, of 
> the cousin Rivet saddles, which have relatively shorter cutouts; both are 
> descendants of the original superlong Selle An-Atomica Titanicos). The long 
> cutout changes the single plane of a traditional suspended leather saddle 
> like a Brooks/Ideale (even one with a small cutout, like a Brooks Imperial) 
> into two parallel planes connected at the ends. My term for this is "ass 
> hammocks".
>
> I've been riding SA-As of various generations as my primary saddles for 
> almost fifteen years:
>
> 1) 2006-2010 Selle An-Atomica Titanico - the original superlong design
> Company base: Benicia CA (SF Bay Area) Manufacturing: Wisconsin
> These were intended for ectomorphic ultra-distance guys under 160 pounds, 
> which is pretty much what founder Tom Milton was; Paris-Brest-Paris, Race 
> Across America, double centuries, brevets etc. The rails were of normal 
> carbon steel, and very long to permit lots of setback; on the saddles of 
> this design I still have, the total saddle length is 310mm. This meant that 
> the rails had a nasty tendency to bend. The leather was lighter weight than 
> a B17; with the ductility of the long cutout, this meant that the leather 
> stretched out comparatively quickly, especially if you were near or above 
> the threshold of the recommended rider weight. I was always at or above 
> that weight (180 ponds, if my memory is correct); I stretched the leather 
> out after a couple of years, by which time I'd already bent the rails.
>
> The leather was available in two finishes: Regular leather and 
> "Watershed", a treated leather that's actually fairly good at repelling 
> water from the finished surface; you still have to treat the rough surface 
> or baggie-ize Watershed saddles in the rain, though. It also came in about 
> 15 different colors - reds, greens, oranges, white, burgundy, grey, purple 
> - plus the normal range of black/brown/tan.
>
> NOTE: Don't let the name fool you - there is no titanium in an SA-A 
> Titanico, or (to the best of my knowledge) in any Selle An-Atomica.
>
> After Milton died in 2010 (massive heart attack on the side of Mount 
> Hamilton near San Jose CA, a little over halfway through the Devil Mountain 
> Double Century; CPR  on the scene, first from fellow riders and then from 
> Santa Clara County sheriff's deputies, didn't save him. Grant wrote a 
> rather thoughtful epitaph on The Riv site afterwards, which appears to have 
> disappeared in one of the more recent site updates - it's at the Internet 
> Archive ), the company was in 
> chaos for about a year or two. The company was inherited by Tom's sister 
> Carol Hosmer, who moved both management and manufacturing to her home town 
> of San Diego; her sons are involved in operations, although they're no 
> longer the people who answer customer support calls. This was about the 
> time when Rivet Saddles was established, under the direction of Tom's life 
> partner Deb; I've never been clear on whether the division was cordial or 
> not.
>
> The relocation led to:
>
> 2) 2011-2012 Selle An-Atomica v.2.0
> Company base: San Diego CA Manufacturing: Wisconsin, transitioning to San 
> Diego
> The saddles started getting more ruggedized. The leather got thicker, and 
> the option of an underlayer because available with the release of new 
> models for heavier riders. The original leather pattern was advertised for 
> riders under 160 pounds, with the leather+underlayer for riders 160-190 
> pounds. The rails changed from carbon steel to chromoly for all models.
>
> The bending rails and stretching leather didn't stop, because most riders 
> aren't built like Tom Milton. So:
>
> 3) 2013-2014 Selle An-Atomica v.2.5
> Company base: San Diego CA Manufacturing: San Diego
> More ruggedizing. Rails went from unspecified chromoly to 4130 chromoly. 
> The leather got thicker, and the color range got narrower; most of the 
> flashy colors disappeared during this period. The old "normal" finish went 
> away, to be replaced by "Tru-Leather": A naturally tanned leather that 
> 

[RBW] Re: Photos and details of my 1995 Riv Road Standard build

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Very nice build.  As a fellow '95 Road rider, I share your enthusiasm for 
this bike's riding characteristics.  26" was used by RBW a couple of times 
to get better geometry in smaller size frames. It works. Hope you enjoy 
many miles on yours!

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 7:52:32 PM UTC-5 Adrianna T wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Back in January I came across a custom Riv Road Standard that I didn't 
> know anything about, other than that it was being sold by Joe Breeze (to 
> raise funds for his bicycling museum).
>
> A bunch of you here helped to spec it out and that helped me feel 
> confident enough to buy it.
>
> After several months, I finally have a bike!
>
> (The delay was largely around waiting for parts to show up, with this 
> supply chain and all).
>
> Here's what I ended up with. Photos attached.
>
> - Nitto Randonneur 25.4 400mm
> - Gran Compe 202 Non Aero Brake Levers, Drilled
> - Nitto Fillet FacePlater Quill stem
> - Dia-Compe ENE Down Tube Shifters
> - Rene Herse Double Crank 46-30 - 171mm
> - MKS Monarch pedals
> - Velo Orange 32 hole silver front and rear hubs
> Velocity A32 32 hole polished rims 
> - Shimano 105
> - Microshift 11-36
> - 26″ x 1.25″ Elk Pass Tires
> - Dura Ace 
>
> Thanks to Scenic Routes (community bike center in San Francisco), and this 
> community here, for the input and advice. It rides like a dream and I am 
> really, really happy with it.
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale 52cm Yves Gomez, plus WTB and/or trade

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Yves was the same bike as Betty Foy.  color and badging differences.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 10:13:13 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It may be a supply issue. I've never seen a Gomez live in person and I 
> don't think very many were produced before it became Cheviot. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 7:18:33 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I've gotten several interested responses, and I'm working with those 
>> responders in the order they responded.  It's looking quite likely that one 
>> of these responders will end up with my Gomez.  I haven't heard from 
>> anybody wanting to sell me their 58cm Gomez.  I guess we should all take 
>> that for what it's worth regarding current value.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 6:13:44 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I think that's a fair price and I'd buy it if it was a 47.  Leah found 
>>> me one in Salt Lake City but I think they wanted $1500 for the frame.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:48:07 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Bill referred to pictures and did not post the link.  Here is the 
 link:   Yves Gomez | Flickr 
 

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 2:47:28 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Paul Choi very succinctly asked "Pictures?"  
>
> Here are a couple after the build.  It's practically unridden, and 
> currently serves as a guest bike at my place in Gold Country.  I'll be 
> glad 
> to take new photos for any interested buyer. 
>
> Bill
>
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:33:21 PM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> Pictures?
>>
>> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:15:03 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The Yves Gomez keeps coming up in the context of a forever bike, 
>>> particularly among those who don't dig long chainstays.  I have a 52cm 
>>> Yves 
>>> Gomez, and I'm willing to set up a different bike for that role in the 
>>> stable.  I'm offering the 52cm Yves Gomez frame/fork/headset for $1000, 
>>> plus shipping.  
>>>
>>> Old-timers like me remember that the Yves Gomez retailed for $1000 
>>> or thereabouts.  Is it fair or reasonable to ask $1000 for a 10-year 
>>> old 
>>> frameset that retailed for $1000?  We'll find out, because I'm also 
>>> offering $1000 plus shipping for a 58cm Yves Gomez frame, fork and 
>>> headset.  If my price is low, somebody will buy mine.  If my price is 
>>> high, 
>>> somebody will sell me one.  The fact is that the functional equivalent 
>>> is 
>>> the $1750 Platypus, and a vocal subset of listers claim to prefer the 
>>> short 
>>> chainstay models.  
>>>
>>> I'm also totally open to a zero dollar trade: My 52cm Yves Gomez for 
>>> your 58cm Yves Gomez.   
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Which rims did Rivendell endorse in the early days?

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Rams shipped as completes with non machined Arraya rims. Grant touted them 
as longer lasting due to thicker wall material than machined.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:46:00 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Specifically, on the road models. I'm pretty sure my dad's Rambouillet has 
> some Araya's but I'm not sure what model. If anyone knows specifics, I'm 
> all ears. 
>
> Backstory: I have a wheelset with nice hubs I want to reuse but the rims 
> have lived a life already. I'm fine with A23's or something similarly 
> modern, but NOS always peaks my interest. Plus, these older caliper brakes 
> seem to gel a little better with the narrower rims of their era since the 
> spring gets to contract a little more.  
>
> Cheers! 
> Andrew
>

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[RBW] Re: Casual WTB: Small-Sized Roadish Riv/Any other short riders out there?

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I've got a 52 cm Rambouillet (26" wheels) that I could part with if it 
helps someone. Geometry charts are around on Cyclofiend, iirc or the way 
back machine, or I have them on paper somewhere. You can DM me with any 
interest.  It's pretty roadish, but takes up to 38 mm tires if you want to 
hit dirt/gravel.

Bruce
"The Prattville Bike Shop."

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 5:35:28 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com wrote:

> And sold! I hope someone here snagged it!
>
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 5:42:23 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Sofiya, 
>>
>> Check out this Atlantis Web Special. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/47-5cm-atlantis-proto-with-old-style-decals
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:07:39 PM UTC-7 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Richard - I have a feeling that even if I were to try the more 
>>> traditional triangle frames, I'll come right back to my Clem. It's just 
>>> hard not to want to try all the Rivendell flavors! 
>>>
>>> Joe - my dream is to one day make pilgrimage to Walnut Creek -- alas I 
>>> am in the  Boston area with two small kids, so a trip out there is probably 
>>> a ways out for me. Great to hear that both you and your wife love the Sam. 
>>>
>>> Sean - I commiserate with your wife and hope that she can find her dream 
>>> bike that's also a perfect fit!
>>>
>>> Elisabeth - thank you so much for the feedback on the Sam sizing - it's 
>>> so helpful. I'll keep my eyes peeled for earlier saluki/homer/atlantis. I 
>>> have short arms too!
>>>
>>> Collin - your wife looks great on her Homer! 
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 4:40:06 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 Sean mentioned looking for a bike "more appropriate 47cm(ish) bike, 
 with appropriate (i.e. not vastly overbuilt) tubing for someone her 
 size/weight, and 26" wheels." I got my wife her 47.5 AHH as a gift a 
 couple 
 years ago, and barring the 26" wheel size, I'd say it almost perfectly 
 fits 
 the bill.

 Photo for proof:
 [image: Capture.JPG]

 We've since switched out the rims for some light Pacenti Brevets (these 
 were originally my Clem wheels), HT albatross bars, and switched the 
 basket 
 rack for a banana sax and bagboy to shed some more weight! Sadly I do not 
 have more detailed photos than these:
 [image: Capture.JPG]

 Cheers,
 Collin in Sactown 

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 12:16:35 PM UTC-7 Sean Steinle wrote:

> Following for my 5'2" wife with 74cm pbh, who is currently making a 
> 50cm Bridgestone RB-T work with Jitensha bars for casual rides. 700c 
> wheels 
> on that bike was a mind-boggling choice. I'd love to see her on a more 
> appropriate 47cm(ish) bike, with appropriate (i.e. not vastly overbuilt) 
> tubing for someone her size/weight, and 26" wheels. I fear custom is the 
> only option...
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:48:04 PM UTC-5 sof...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone looking to unload a small, road-ish Rivendell frame? Though my 
>> heart belongs to mixtes (my sole bike is the Clem after selling my 
>> Platy), 
>> I can't seem to get the idea of trying out a more classic, triangle 
>> frame 
>> out of my mind! At 5'1.5 tall with a pbh of ~76, I am not even sure that 
>> a 
>> bike with a typical top tube would work out well for me (even my 50 cm 
>> platy felt a little bit large), but wanted to put this out into the 
>> universe. On the other hand my 45cm Clem feels like it was made for me, 
>> size-wise. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

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I use a Lezyne GPS which can upload automatically to a service like Strava. 
I also upload mine to Ride With GPS which I like better, and log the data 
at www.Bikejournal.com  BikeJournal lets me set up tires and chains with 
reminders of service due based on mileage. it easily displays your data by 
bike.  I had a couple of Garmin GPS units, but they died quickly and Garmin 
service is not good. Lezyne is less expensive and is still going.  Bryton 
is another brand of value priced GPS.   A GPS unit will go longer on a 
battery charge than using a cell phone app. 

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:32:22 AM UTC-6 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> I have a Garmin Edge 810 and quarter turn Garmin mounts for each of my 
> bikes (about $6/ea). I move the Edge from bike to bike - it has an option 
> to tag which bike you've mounted it on - and use it as an overpriced cycle 
> computer while it's on the bike. It records the ride reliably with three 
> button presses (one at start, one at end, one to say "yes, I want to 
> save.") The Edge 810 has Bluetooth (which I usually leave off) so once in a 
> while I turn that on and it automagically syncs data to my Garmin account 
> via an app on my phone. I set up my Garmin account to mirror the data to my 
> ridewithgps and Strava accounts, and use tools at those sites to analyze 
> the rides.
>
> --Ed C.
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 1:13:11 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> How is everyone keeping track of mileage on your bikes? I’m curious what 
>> methods people are using. 
>>
>> I’ve occasionally tracked with a GPS watch only to never look back at the 
>> data, let alone tally up a cumulative mileage count. I mostly ride without 
>> tracking as it makes it less about the stats and more about the ride. But 
>> it would be fun to know how much I rode in a year, over the course of 
>> owning a bike, etc. I wish I knew how many miles are on the first Brooks 
>> saddle that I bought 15 or so years ago. 
>>
>> I was inspired by Pam’s post about 63,000 miles on a bike and Rapid Rise 
>> RD. How did you come up with that number?! How does everyone else who keeps 
>> track keep track? 
>>
>> Joe M. 
>> Los Angeles 
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

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I rode my '95 Rivendell Road today on the club group ride.  38mm 
Pari-motos, leather saddle, high handlebars. Platform pedals.  I kept up 
with the group easily, enjoyed a great morning on a superior and 
comfortable road bike. Nothing hurt after the ride. Some of my carbon 
company is starting to think that maybe unpadded pants and no numbness on 
hands might have value. Some others will stay true to current bike chic. I 
personally like the Rivs between '94 - '10 better than the rivs since 2010. 
For some, the clem or platy is just perfect and that's great. The orig RBW 
ideas about slack ST angle, low BB, and longer stays work really well for 
me. The recent slack HT and uber long (need 2 chains long) stays are 
overkill for me. I have 2 Rivs and I'll love them and ride them till I 
can't ride anymore, but Riv never was orthodox and never meant to be. It's 
always been the best that GP felt he could do at the time, given the 
materials and options (like brake reach) available. YMMV.

Tailwinds
Bruce in AL

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 2:16:00 PM UTC-6 Scott Calhoun wrote:

> It is easy to do--there are so many different bike tribes and ways to 
> signify which tribe you belong to. Maybe being a little transgressive and 
> trying new things with different tribes is healthy for cycling people. 
> Whatever kind of bike and cycling connects you to other people, nature, and 
> places you like to go, do that. Dirt road shortcut, multi-use path, fast 
> group ride, grocery run, kid train, charity century: yes.  
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:21:32 AM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> So upon further reflection I’m starting to realize that the act of riding 
>> my bike can get so bound up with political and aesthetic considerations 
>> that I forget to have fun. Most of my biking is utilitarian commuting and 
>> grocery hauling, and sometimes that can get to be a drag. There are days 
>> when the weather is crummy or I have a late meeting or I slept a little too 
>> long and riding my bike seems more like a chore than anything else. What 
>> was eye-opening for me riding this technological wonder of a machine was 
>> that it was just pure fun, in a way that I haven’t experienced on a bike 
>> for a long time.
>>
>> More than anything else I guess this is a wake-up call to myself that I 
>> can get a little too hung up on having a “pure” experience at the expense 
>> of my own enjoyment. I really have no interest in super technical off-road 
>> riding with huge drops or otherwise extreme terrain. It was just really 
>> nice to go on a ride in beautiful surroundings and let the bike soak up the 
>> bumps. I wish there was an easy way to demo other bikes that come at this 
>> problem in different ways (such as a Gus or the Jones and Black Mountain 
>> options mentioned upthread), but for now I’m going to remain open to the 
>> possibilities and try to remind myself that while I have a lot of respect 
>> for Riv/Grant there’s really no right or wrong way to have fun on a bike.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 9:04 AM, Brady Smith  wrote:
>>
>> I regularly ride my Riv-styled BMC monster cross with a Rapha brevet 
>> jersey and Rivendell MUSA pants. I like the look, the jersey is great, and 
>> sometimes the pants are a welcome break from the usual lycra, especially in 
>> moderate temperatures. 
>>
>>
>> As for bikes, I too have been tempted by full-suspension mountain bikes, 
>> but in the end I decided that the BMC La Cabra was probably my best bet, 
>> and it's been great for the relatively mild singletrack available in the 
>> greater SLC area. Not having suspension forces me to ride more slowly and 
>> pick good lines, and the TRP Hylex disk brakes I have on it make speedy 
>> descents viable in a way they wouldn't be on a Gus. I have thought about 
>> adding a hardtail to the stable, but as I explained the idea to my wife, 
>> she said, "So you're proposing to spend $4k on a bike to avoid the 3 
>> minutes you spend walking out of a 3 hour mountain bike ride?" It sounds 
>> kind of silly when you put it that way. 
>>
>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 8:28:01 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> This is an interesting subject and there have been some good replies. 
>>>  Golf was mentioned.  I recall when clubs with fiberglass then later carbon 
>>> fiber shafts were introduced.  They made a big difference in the game for 
>>> someone with a slow, mild swing.  Later, oversized drivers came along. 
>>>  They gave the skilled golfer a distinct advantage.  Sobeit 
>>>
>>> In the mid-70's "standard" wooden tennis rackets were supplanted with 
>>> oversized net surfaces and aluminum shanks.  That advancement clearly 
>>> improved the game for many tennis buffs.
>>>
>>> But over the years there have been attempts to push things a bit too 
>>> far.  I remember when someone designed a tennis racket with soft, 
>>> spaghetti-like material in the 

Re: [RBW] Favorite 26" tires

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Third for the Contact Speed.  32mm.  They  also come in 650B.  If you can 
find them, Conti also makes the Grand Prix in 25mm in 26" size.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 11:36:26 PM UTC-6 exliontamer wrote:

> Strong second for the Continental Contact Speed. Perfect combo of speed, 
> comfort, and durability. They're worth double what they sell for. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:38:09 PM UTC-6 Ken Mattina wrote:
>
>> I really like the Continental Contact Speed. They're a little hard to 
>> find but available on ebay and amazon.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 5:19 PM Lynn Haas  wrote:
>>
>>> I moved to Iowa this year, and am experiencing my first Iowa winter. I 
>>> never expected to spend this much time on a trainer. I even signed up for 
>>> Zwift. Why is there a bike path inside a volcano?
>>>
>>> Anyway, my Panaracer Paselas have a weird spot where the casing joins 
>>> that goes thunk-thunk-thunk on the rollers. It's driving me nuts. I don't 
>>> want to put a trainer tire on the bike. I want to believe that I'm going to 
>>> go ride outside again sometime before the end of time.
>>>
>>> What are the favored 26 inch road-ish tire favorites these days? I have 
>>> had and disliked Schwalbes. My last set of Marathon Supremes picked up an 
>>> ungodly array of laceration-inducing, afternoon-ruining, sharp objects. I 
>>> was quite pleased with the Panaracers until I started riding inside. My 
>>> downstairs neighbors are probably unhappy with the thunk-thunk-thunk, too. 
>>> It definitely scares the cat. I'm on an MUSA Atlantis and could go up to 
>>> about 40mm with my fender setup. Ideas?
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Where did the spring go?
>> Where did my hormones go?
>> Where did my energy go?
>> Where did my go go?
>> Where did the pleasure go?
>> Where did my hair go?
>>
>> -- Ray Davies
>>
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Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

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It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up for 
20-30 deg rides.

I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base layer 
with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.  Merino 
skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity pants 
(great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins (breathable) 
inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 size 
too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. merino 
ski cap and ear band on my head.  Works great.  The key for feet is 
breathable and air space.  If you sweat and your socks get wet, your feet 
will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:

> We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On those 
> days I typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool socks and 
> then Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof so they work 
> for rain as well. 
>
> My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks deal 
> with the sweat by wicking it away from my skin.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 AM, Kushan  wrote:
>
> Hi all -
>
>
> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I am 
> finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out 
> well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
> problem areas:
>
> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool 
> socks and mountain biking shoes 
> .
>  
> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
> starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
> hours) ride.
>
> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 
> 
>  
> with a breathable jacket 
> .
>  
> While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey is 
> soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads 
> where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is that 
> after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat similar 
> to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being out 
> in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I wear 
> the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). So 
> it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. 
>
> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really appreciate 
> any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back on riding 
> during winters. 
>
> Best
> Kushan
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[RBW] Year end clearance at Soma

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I got an email yesterday from Soma about their inventory clean out sale, 
and picked up a set of 38mm  x 650B B-Line tires for my ‘95 Road (converted 
from 700).  Only $19.99 each and they give me about 4,000 mi of wear. Lots 
of other stuff that sensible minds might want for a bike.  would work on a 
number of RBW offerings. Ho,ho, ho!

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[RBW] Re: Bar end vs Downtube

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I have 2 bikes set up each way (2 Rivendell and 2 Rivendell-ish).  I prefer 
the DT shifters, but both are okay.  The bar ends tend to bump things while 
you are handling the bike from storage to the bike rack, etc and you'll be 
out of gear. Neither is hard to get to, once you have a feel for where they 
are.

On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 4:55:24 PM UTC-6 Garth wrote:

> I can't think of a right or wrong placement for shifters. or shifting 
> too soon, too late, too much or too little ((( laughing ))). I mean hey , I 
> hop on the bike, I pedal and the bike goes, and shifting just happens along 
> the way like all the rest of the scenery. If I told you a 
> "how/why/etc." it all works I'd be assuming there even is a "how/why/etc." 
> that could be articulated, let alone formed. I think Life is more Grand 
> than any idea of or about Life could ever be formed by Life, about Life. 
> This is who "We" are, after all . 
> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 4:29:59 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> My experiences mirror some of the other responses here. My last shifter 
>> setup on an Atlantis also employed the dt shifter for the front and bar end 
>> for the rear. Worked very nicely using a an original Silver up front and a 
>> Shimano DuraAce for the rear. My SamH uses DuraAce bar ends front and rear 
>> (For me the DA bar ends provide a superb friction shifting experience; 
>> always reliable, no slipping).
>>
>> Alternatively, my Coast and Mercian both use Silver dt shifters. I'm not 
>> tall so the reach down isn't onerous. I do like that I have to move my 
>> right hand periodically.
>> Aesthetically these two bikes just look right with the downtubers; 
>> functionally speaking, no problems. 
>>
>> The fact that your Homer has the flexibility to experiment with shifting 
>> options is great. Go with whatever you feel at the moment is right and 
>> enjoy the ride!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:11:48 AM UTC-5 KenP wrote:
>>
>>> I have tried four ways.  I like thumb shifters the best on upright bars 
>>> because my hands are usually on the grips and there is immediate reach.  
>>> The second choice for upright bars are the bar ends which are close at 
>>> hand.  This is important because when I used down tube shifters and had to 
>>> stop very quickly I have ended up in a too tall gear on startup.  When I 
>>> have tried to downshift first, I have almost missed the traffic stoplight.  
>>> It's not too difficult to remove the grips to change upright bars. For the 
>>> wrapped drop bars I find I prefer the stem mount solution and have learned 
>>> to reach them quickly.  That has made bar swap easier and gives me room to 
>>> put a bar end mirror.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 2:01:06 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am debating bar end vs down tube shifters for the upcoming homer 
 build. I like the simplicity and aesthetics of down tube but concerned how 
 “inconvenient “ they could be given longish geometry of rivs. For non 
 racing and just riding for pleasure usecases does it matter .I am also 
 considering going downtube for FD and bar end for RD. If over time I find 
 downtube comfortable enough switch both to downtube . Would love to hear 
 groups thoughts and experience.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Suggestions for better braking?

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I run the tektro and RBW Silver branded version on 2 bikes and have no 
issues with them. On downhills, I am in the 30 - 40 mph range often where I 
live and ride, so stopping power is good to have and I've not felt like I 
lacked it.  I replaced the original pads with Salmon on one bike and Aztec 
on another and both are better than factory. A third bike has Mafac 
Professional Centerpulls and it has greater stopping power than the 
calipers.  Old school, but works nicely.  I set mine up so that there is 
very  little lever pull prior to pad contact. I use the Tektro levers on 
all of these bikes.

On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:28:47 PM UTC-6 Kushan wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with the Dia-Compe 610 Centerpull Brakes or 
> their longer reach cousin? Though I have not tried them personally, I have 
> heard that the Gran Compe variety are stiff and provide better braking 
> power and tire clearance than a caliper brake. Rene Hearse center pull can 
> be another option if cost is not a cocern.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Why did you buy your first Riv?

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>
> I found Sheldon Brown in reading bike forums after starting cycling on a 
> Fuji Touring bike around 2000. He talked about the Romulus in glowing terms 
> znd I wanted one, but it did not come in my size. The French Blue order of 
> the very similar Rambouillet came out around 2005 and  had 2 smaller frame 
> sizes in 26" wheels and I jumped one one of those. Selling points: Pretty 
> lugs, low BB with neutral steering lets it track like it's on rails, easy 
> to set up with ergonomic positioning. I bought it as a complete and am 
> still happy to have it and ride it. I didn't like the color that much. The 
> earlier orange and later green are both nicer IMO, and mine is now Amber 
> Gold.


Bruce 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

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To Doug's comments on Clem L:

I put a local rider with spine issues on one about 2 years ago to suit her 
need for a comfortable upright ride.  She is mostly on pavement, but some 
of that is coarse chipseal. We built the bike with Continental "Basketball" 
tires instead of Schwalbes to get a livelier ride. She has no trouble doing 
club rides at 18 mph when desired, or tooling on gravel at under 10 mph. 
It's been a winner all around and of course, Clem is one of Rivs more 
reasonably prices models. Leah who posted about her Platypus also has a 
Clem L and enjoys it as well, though not as much as her Platy, I think.

To the earlier comment about most rivs riding anywhere:  

Yes, The "Adventure bike" zeitgeist of :any bike, any road is fully 
embraced by rivendell. All models have limits and some do one thing or 
another better than something else, but you can't go wrong with any 
Rivendell of any era.  I have a 1995 Road model. With gravel tires on, it 
does that just fine. With fat road tires, it handles all the surfaces I am 
likely to be on. Of my 4 bikes, it is the one that gets most of the miles 
every year.

Bruce

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:16:14 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Laura,
> I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the 
> waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3 
> wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. It 
> climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink 
> the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
> accelerating. 
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> EDIT…
>>
>> Jarad = Jared
>>
>> Lime green = Lime olive
>>
>> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction
>>
>> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:
>>
>>> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
>>> have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
>>> the answers have also made me yearn for both!
>>>
>>> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
>>> compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
>>> all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily tipping 
>>> the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, it 
>>> placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it out 
>>> till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie in 2021, 
>>> then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
 limitations of either.

 I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
 riding you describe with ease.

 The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger 
 tire to take full advantage of its potential.

 The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a 
 way that leaves you wanting for nothing.

 I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, 
 where as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.

 All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
 previous size L.

 I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
 feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, 
 tho 
 I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.

 Best of luck with whatever you choose

 Jared in SLO





 On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
> multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size 
> out 
> of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the 
> comparison. 
> I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
> curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
> riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
> for off-road trails?
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hi Laura, welcome!
>>
>> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
>> listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The 
>> Susie 
>> goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air 
>> between 
>> trail and rim. 
>>
>> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is 
>> both! Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current 
>> models - will happily do all the riding you've described, so I 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Fullylugged]

Nice Jason, and needed.  The Road was followed quickly by the Road 
Standard, I think by '96.

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv Readers, as 
> well as old copies of the Rivendell website via archive.org (it was 
> veloworks.com/rivendell first, then it was rivendellbicycles.com, then 
> moved to the current home of rivbike.com - I've perused probably upwards 
> of 100's of snapshots of these sites today).  
>
> I don't have nearly as deep of experience with Rivendell as some of you so 
> I wanted to run this timeline by y'all and see if you can point out 
> omissions or errors in my timeline. There are a lot of permutations of some 
> of these models of course - I have pretty detailed notes about where each 
> model was made (including many which went through a few shops) in addition 
> to the timeline, which I plan to include in whatever final form this 
> takes.  
>
> Please let me know if you see something missing or incorrect!  Note: I 
> left Protovelo's out because I'm not considering prototypes to be relevant; 
> I might be missing some Rosco's but only the Bubbe 51 and Road 55.5 are 
> ones I have any info on. The step-thru version seems to have snuck past my 
> research so far. 
>
>  [image: PXL_20211127_062150509.jpg]
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini 650b conversion

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I ride a '95 Riv Road size 54.5 which is too tall for me in 700c. The long 
reach Tektro/Silver calipers do work with 650B wheels and I have only 
ridden it that way. It will take 38mm tires w/o fenders.  I know Joe said 
it won't help your Roadini, but if you can borrow a caliper and do a test 
fit, I would.  170 arms are not  too long and the bike rides great.  YMMV.

Bruce

On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 10:22:33 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:

> Kushan:
>
> Keep in mind the bottom bracket will be lower so the likelihood of pedal 
> strike will be present when you lean the bike into a turn. Pedal selection 
> plays a part too; shorter cranks (165 / 160) would be a consideration to 
> help reduce pedal strike. This was my experience with a mid-80s Trek I 
> converted from 700 to 650b. Ultimately the bike felt better with the 700 
> wheel size. Good luck with your experiment if you pursue it. 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 1:39:57 AM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:
>
>> Hi all -
>>
>> I currently own a 2020 Roadini (61 cm) with 38 mm slick tires. I have 
>> tried 32 mm and 35 mm in past but find 38 mm perfect in terms of comfort 
>> vs. speed trade off. I am planning to move to the land of daily rain 
>> (Seattle!!) in a near future and have been told that permanent fenders are 
>> a must have for getting any real use out of the bike. 
>>
>> The problem is that I don't want to use 32 mm tires (which is the 
>> advertised max clearance with fenders) for this frame. I am contemplating 
>> if conversion to 650b wheels will give me sufficient clearance for 38 mm 
>> tires with fender (smaller frame 650b Roadinis are known to clear upto 42 
>> mm). 
>>
>> My questions to the group are:
>> - Is this even an option or would the chain/seat stays and fork will 
>> simply not cover this much tire + fenders?
>> - Based on Rivendell 650b conversion guide, the conversion should be 
>> straightforward by switching to long reach caliper brakes and bottom 
>> bracket will have sufficient clearance for 170 mm cranks. However, I wanted 
>> to see if anyone has attempted this conversion before and what their 
>> experience was. 
>>
>> Best
>> Kushan
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New member to the forum

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Wherever that fork came from, it looks great (as does the whole bike).  
Happy miles to you!

Bruce

On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 2:36:14 PM UTC-5 vince.a...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> After being introduced to Rivendell a few years ago by a good friend I 
> decided to take the plunge this spring with an older Appaloosa. Dealing 
> with some back issues I wanted something designed with swept back bars in 
> mind. Loving it so far! Currently using it mainly for commuting to work a 
> couple times per week and the odd grocery/beer run. I have since added a 
> Wald basket.
>
> One interesting thing about this bike is it has what I believe to be an 
> Atlantis fork. After talking with Will, we can only assume that the 
> previous owner must have damaged the original fork somehow and all Riv had 
> available at the time were spare Atlantis forks. He wasn't concerned at 
> all. The ride is great and there is no visible damage. I should have caught 
> the issue - one of the pains of buying off a CL ad from 2,000 miles away 
> though! 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/193799527@N02/CCN175
>
> Thanks, 
> Vince in Minnesota
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

[Fullylugged]

I'm surprised at the interest but the derailleur has been claimed.  I'll 
answer everyone who inquired off list.

On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 8:13:07 AM UTC-5 Fullylugged wrote:

> I took a 20 yr old long cage Nexave rapid rise off a donated TREK 
> Navigator yesterday and replaced it with an easier to adjust normal action  
> Altus.  I was just going to toss the Nexave, but if anyone wants it for the 
> cot of postage to wherever they are, message me (before trash day :) ).
>
> Bruce
>
> On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Nice Nick and Joe! Thats great info. -Matthew
>>
>> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, 13 August 2021 at 5:19:50 am UTC+10 Matthew P wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn 
>>>> difference, lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes, 
>>>> the widths are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here: 
>>>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to 
>>>> travel the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying 
>>>> within the confines of friction shifting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, no. The Shimano MTB freehub body ramains the same width, but 
>>> from 11s onwards the cassette is 1.85mm wider - the largest cog on a 
>>> 11-speed MTB cassette overhangs on the inside so that it can fit on the 
>>> shorter body. So the derailleur has to be able to travel that extra 1.85mm 
>>> sideways to shift across an 11s cassette. Shimano 11s road hubs have a 
>>> freehub body with splines that are 1.85mm longer than their 11-speed MTB 
>>> hubs - because the smaller largest cog on most road cassettes doesn't allow 
>>> the cassette to overhang on the inside without the derailleur fouling the 
>>> spokes in the smallest gear. The exception on their 11s road cassettes are 
>>> the HG-800 and HG-700 11-34 cassettes, where the largest cog is big enough 
>>> that it can overhang ok, so those cassettes will fit on an 8/9/10 freehub.
>>>
>>> Not that the extra throw required causes a problem in real life. I've 
>>> used a Deore XT 7s RD on a 9s cassette, and 9/10s RDs with 11s cassettes, 
>>> and they've had no problem shifting across the entire cassette. And on the 
>>> SRAM side, it's their 10s MTB derailleurs (usually labelled "Exact 
>>> Actuation") that are compatible with their 11s road shifters, if you want 
>>> to run 11s indexed on a drop bar bike with a wide range cassette.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nexave Rear Der

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I took a 20 yr old long cage Nexave rapid rise off a donated TREK Navigator 
yesterday and replaced it with an easier to adjust normal action  Altus.  I 
was just going to toss the Nexave, but if anyone wants it for the cot of 
postage to wherever they are, message me (before trash day :) ).

Bruce

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:

> Nice Nick and Joe! Thats great info. -Matthew
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Friday, 13 August 2021 at 5:19:50 am UTC+10 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn 
>>> difference, lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes, 
>>> the widths are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here: 
>>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to 
>>> travel the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying 
>>> within the confines of friction shifting.
>>
>>
>> Actually, no. The Shimano MTB freehub body ramains the same width, but 
>> from 11s onwards the cassette is 1.85mm wider - the largest cog on a 
>> 11-speed MTB cassette overhangs on the inside so that it can fit on the 
>> shorter body. So the derailleur has to be able to travel that extra 1.85mm 
>> sideways to shift across an 11s cassette. Shimano 11s road hubs have a 
>> freehub body with splines that are 1.85mm longer than their 11-speed MTB 
>> hubs - because the smaller largest cog on most road cassettes doesn't allow 
>> the cassette to overhang on the inside without the derailleur fouling the 
>> spokes in the smallest gear. The exception on their 11s road cassettes are 
>> the HG-800 and HG-700 11-34 cassettes, where the largest cog is big enough 
>> that it can overhang ok, so those cassettes will fit on an 8/9/10 freehub.
>>
>> Not that the extra throw required causes a problem in real life. I've 
>> used a Deore XT 7s RD on a 9s cassette, and 9/10s RDs with 11s cassettes, 
>> and they've had no problem shifting across the entire cassette. And on the 
>> SRAM side, it's their 10s MTB derailleurs (usually labelled "Exact 
>> Actuation") that are compatible with their 11s road shifters, if you want 
>> to run 11s indexed on a drop bar bike with a wide range cassette.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who likes the original Atlantis?

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Bill wrote, " It does not have the lugged look if you need that look".
The Salsa and the Crust are welded frames. It's not the look, it's the 
livelier action you get in a lugged frame, I think.  A Rawland Norvindian 
felt dead underneath me, and so did a LHT.  My fullylugged Ram and Road 
OTOH are lively (as are my other 2 fully lugged steel bikes. An old Nashbar 
by Maruishi and a Waterford).  I'd take a Toyo Atlantis in a heartbeat if 
one came along in my size.  or an AR for that matter. 
No disrespect to the original color, but that new mermaid color is the bomb 
and I'd gladly use it for my next paint job.  
On Friday, July 30, 2021 at 2:31:39 PM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> The first Riv I ever saw was an Atlantis on the BART when I was living in 
> Berkeley in the late 2000s. Didn't know what it was at the time, but I 
> thought, that looks cool! Had a Sam, now a Joe, but I always loved that 
> original Atlantis. Not the current one with the bow-flex second tube in my 
> size.
> I think Rivendell should do a run of the original(ish) Atlantis, with some 
> of these aspects from those first runs:
>
>1. The color (of course)
>2. Single top tube (doubles aren't for everyone)
>3. 26' wheels in small sizes, 700c in the bigger ones (I'd be cool 
>with 26' in all sizes)
>4. 45mm chainstays (maybe a hair smaller in the smaller sizes, a hair 
>bigger in the large sizes)
>5. Clearance for 2in tires with fenders
>
> Who else would sign up for one?
> What other aspects would you like?
>
> Hankering for an Atlantis (61 or 64cm if you have one) in Nashville,
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: measured speed differences between road and touring bikes

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YTD data: My Crit racer avg is 14.64 mph with 25'/mile avg elev
 Upright bars Rambouillet is 14.51 mph with 19'/mi 
elv
 Brevet Bike is 14.13 mph with 28'/mile.
The amount of climbing seems to have more effect than anything else for 
me.  BTW, my overall avg for 20 yrs,13 different bikes and 62,000 miles  is 
14.26.  My avg YTD (as of my latest ride yesterday) in 2021 is 14.26.  It 
has varied over the years slightly but never more than 1 mph or so.  I 
think the motor has more to do with pace then the bike. Likewise how 
comfortable you are on the bike. You waste energy fighting a bad position.
On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:32:31 PM UTC-5 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> PS - No drafting allowed! 
>
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 9:12:34 PM UTC-7 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> What is the difference in speed between a conventional road bike and an 
>> unloaded touring bike set up in typical Rivendell style? I'm asking for 
>> measurements and data, simply because I'm curious.
>>
>> My touring bike (Riv Atlantis) was 82% of the speed of my road bike 
>> (Bianchi San Jose) on my rides last week, about 3 mph difference.
>>
>> I rode both bikes on the same 40 mile loop with 1100 feet elevation gain. 
>> I wore tight spandex and clipless shoes on the road bike, and averaged 16.4 
>> mph. After one rest day, I wore casual clothes on the touring bike, and 
>> averaged 13.5 mph on the same loop. I worked a little harder on the road 
>> bike because of the more aggressive position.
>>
>> Here are the two bikes for reference.
>>
>> [image: bianchi.png][image: atlantis.png]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooklyn CL listing Wilbury

[Fullylugged]

I believe this is the geometry you were looking for. See the Mixte page.  
(2007 chart)


On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 9:10:46 AM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

>
> This bike was bought by a Yale student from a CT owner.  Paid much much 
> less than he is asking. Not sure of the Wilbury geometry, cannot find it in 
> and searches.  
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 11:39:45 AM UTC-4 co...@headlamppictures.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-52cm-wilbury-rivendell-bicycle/7347673214.html
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Silver downtube shifters or similar

[Fullylugged]

I see the new version of Silver shifters are available on the RBW webpage.

On Saturday, July 10, 2021 at 12:42:29 AM UTC-5 J C wrote:

> Greetings! I hope everyone's summer is off to a nice start. 
>
> With the local bike kitchen still closed to the public and craigslist 
> prices through the roof I was hoping someone might have a set of Silver 
> downtube shifters or similar that they are willing to part with?
>
> Please let me know, thanks!
>
> James in Santa Barbara, CA
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone still using the original mustard color MUSA pants and shorts

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yes.  I have 2 pair of the pants (1st and 2nd generation) along with the 
later blue ones.  I also still wear the shorts. Yesterday, I wore Boosucker 
MUSA shorts on the 6:00 AM club ride.  Anyone remember those?

On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 4:02:48 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> I still have 2 of each I still use, pretty indestructible.  

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[RBW] Re: FS - Rivendell Rambouillet

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Green was the color for the 3rd and final run.  Prospective buyers might 
ask the seller where the lengths of tubes given are measured from. RBW uses 
center to top for set tubes.  If correct,  this is a 56 cm. Standover of 
80.8 cm (from the RBW geometry chart.).

As a prior posted said, this may be the best of the production Rivendells, 
combining pretty lugs and quality fillet brazing, fine quality tubing, a 
road worthy design that is still comfortable and excellent neutral 
handling.  With over 16,000 miles on mine I admit to possible bias. :)

Someone will enjoy this bikee.

Bruce
On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:43:44 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The Rambouillet might be the best Rivendell ever. Someone is going to be 
> very happy!
>
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:40:02 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>> Thank you for the thoughtful and kind handling of this sale post. 
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 8:37:50 PM UTC-4 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Note - this individual is selling the bicycle which belonged to her late 
>>> husband.
>>> She felt that this bicycle could find a proper home to a member of this 
>>> group. 
>>> I have contacted her to encourage her to post this with a proper price 
>>> listing and other specifics, so there may be updates to this listing. 
>>>
>>> Jim / List admin
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021 at 5:23:43 PM UTC-7 rtan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 Want to sell this bike.  Top tube - 20", seat tube - 22", wheelbase - 
 40"

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clothing for hot and humid riding

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I've found looser fitting to be more comfy in high heat and humidity. A 
wicking polyester or thin Merino tee up top and MTB baggy shorts without a 
liner in them below. My favorite shorts are MUSA Boosuckers, but they are 
scarce. Under Armor wicking base layer boxers with microbe zapping silver 
ions or merino shorts underneath.  For short rides, my regular cotton blend 
boxers are okay. I ride in Keen sandals with thin wool socks. I haven't 
used padded sorts since switching to Selle Anatomica saddles when RBW 1st 
offered them around 2010. They mold to your shape and support your weight 
pretty evenly. I have one bike with a Brooks B15N which after it was 
finally broken in is also comfy without padding.  I ride in and around 
central AL. 100F and 100% humidity often in the summer. or close thereto.

Bruce

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 5:53:47 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> For shirts next to the skin I wear form-fitting water sport long sleeve 
> rashguards, specifically a Patagonia R0. I then wear a nice polo shirt of 
> my liking. This year it's some Duluth Drirelease poly/cotton(85/15) ones. 
> For bottoms I wear Sportful  Bodyfit Pro bib shorts. For the feet I wear 
> Altra trail running shoes. Wearing form fitting clothes next to the skin in 
> the heat enhances the evaporative cooling effect.   Yeah  everything 
> that those @Riv have spoken of in a demeaning manner. The funny thing about 
> that line of thinking though, is it reeks with self-righteousness. "I'll 
> raise myself up by lowering you". Well at least pretend to, because it 
> doesn't actually do either. This works for me, as whatever you wear works 
> for you. Regardless of what it's "made" of or how. "Just ride" rings hollow 
> if it's conditional.  Love, Love is Greatest, the One and Only . and 
> Love has no strings no yes-buts . no rules  no negations. Love 
> Loves Love for the Love that is Self's own Self. I/You Exist because I/You 
> Exist. 
>
> On Sunday, June 13, 2021 at 10:20:44 PM UTC-4 joshuamarx wrote:
>
>> For the past couple of years, for bona fide summer heat I have come to 
>> rely on linen shirts--similar breezy comfort to seersucker, but with odor 
>> resistance!
>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 2:08:17 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the continued feedback, people. I do dig wool and own a ton 
>>> of the 100% merino variety. Agreed on all accounts. 
>>>
>>> Gabe, I've had a few items from Everlane but they never work for me and 
>>> I always sell or return them. The seersucker shirts you mention do seem to 
>>> have a generous cut (unlike some of the shirts I've had from them in the 
>>> past). 
>>>
>>> Regarding seersucker: Yesterday one of the old Rivendell MUSA seersucker 
>>> long sleeve shirts came in the mail. Have yet to ride in it but I do like 
>>> it quite a lot. Double pencil stalls! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:10:19 AM UTC-4 gabe.de...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Everlane sells a seersucker shortsleeve button up. The fit is 
 appropriate, I got a medium and it fit a little bigger than some other 
 mediums I've got. A large would have been good too. Also enjoy that the 
 sleeves aren't incredibly short.

 On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 3:22:18 PM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Here in Michigan it doesn't get crazy hot, but for us used to the 
> cold, it gets hot. Humidity can be bad too. I second or third or fourth 
> the 
> seersucker fabric. If it is especially hot, my best trick is to put on a 
> very heavy cotton tee shirt and jump in the lake of soak it in water. The 
> evaporation from the fabric is very cooling. I learned this from my 
> friend 
> who lived on Oklahoma and drove a topless Jeep all summer. 
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 7:35:07 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's getting into the gross season here in Virginia where heat and 
>> humidity blend into a delightful sludge. I'm curious to hear from 
>> members 
>> about their preferred riding clothing for the heat. What's your go-to 
>> deal? 
>> I'm curious about comfort for longer rides (which for me are in the 
>> range 
>> of 40-60 miles) in non-cycling cycling clothes. Any experienced riders 
>> from 
>> the Sticky States have a special blend they'd like to share? 
>>
>> I often ride in whatever I happen to be wearing and usually that's a 
>> cotton tee and a pair of heavy canvas carpenter shorts. For longer rides 
>> I 
>> prefer a linen or chambray shirt. Linen, in particular, has been great. 
>>
>> I'm looking for some inspiration to counter my perspiration. The 
>> canvas shorts are not ideal. I have two pairs of MUSA shorts from Riv 
>> but 
>> for my tastes they are way too long and too baggy. I'm resistant to 
>> going 
>> over to traditional jerseys and shorts, though 

[RBW] Re: First 40+ miles...

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Congrats on your new bikes! Hope you enjoy many miles with lots of smiles 
on them. Another nice feature on your early Road is the bi-plane fork. Very 
pretty but disappeared later on with the Road Standard.  Is your top tube 
sloped like a Road Standard or level?  My 1995 Road is level and like you, 
I think it is one of the prettiest bike designs ever. I agree with the 
ride. Of my 4 bikes, the Road is my #1 choice.

Bruce

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 3:27:45 PM UTC-5 Robert Dowtin wrote:

> I suppose this is a ride(s) report. A few weeks ago I was escorted across 
> state lines to procure my first Rivendell road frame, my partner in this 
> heist (a great deal) got himself a super rad hubbuhubbuh tandem. Upon 
> arriving in Nashville we discovered that a first gen Quickbeam frame, that 
> for some reason or another I believed had been previously sold and not 
> available, was very much available. The owner being the rad guy that he is, 
> let me ride his identical orange QB around the block to see if I 
> immediately fell in love with what he described as his #1 favorite 
> bike...of course I did. I bought it and the set of OG QB wheels along with 
> the Road frame w/ Phil Wood wheels that we had traveled all that way to 
> get.  Elated, we rushed back home with our take and by Tuesday at lunchtime 
> I had the Quickbeam fully built and before a storm rolled in I got around 
> the block twice with a massive smile across my face. Just can not believe 
> how great the potential is for fun on this bike...man. 
>
> So, as I waited to get my hands on the last few remaining parts for the 
> Road bike, I struck up conversations with a number of wonderful people on 
> and off this list to include Will over at Rivendell about the history of 
> this bike (the road, not the quickbeam, keep up, we'll be switching back 
> and forth a lot...I'm sure) which it turns out was not a road standard but 
> a road custom made by Joe Starck and painted by Joe Bell. This was all 
> covered in Patrick's thread about the wonderfulness of his custom frame.
>
>
> So. The Quickbeam. After that storm, I rode that bike every single day 
> between 5 and 30 miles a day all over NW Arkansas, running errands, just 
> riding, holy shit with a massive grin and emotions bordering on euphoria. 
> Never have I felt this good on any bike. I love this thing. I love it. 
> Goddamnit this was and is an outstanding frame. OK so that's settled I 
> don't ever care about riding anything else again ever.
>
>
> Last few parts came in for the Road. As I finished putting it together my 
> excitement naturally grew, but I must say I was kinda nervous that the Road 
> was going to steal something away from my new found love for the QB. Lets 
> be honest my QB looks like someone kicked it down a few flights of stairs, 
> and while it is cool it never was amongst Rivendell's prettiest line of 
> frames. 
>
> The Road, however... the lugs and the paint and the head badge and font 
> makes this absolutely the prettiest bike I have ever touched, much less 
> ridden, much much less owned. There may be objectively more attractive 
> bikes out there, somewhere, maybe. 
>
>
> Almost identical situation occurred as the week before only this time 
> torrential rain instead of snow came with this storm. I waited it out 
> having only done the ride around the block a few times with my kid on the 
> brand new bike because I was short on time routine... This couple of 'round 
> the blocks' was just enough to let me know that there was the potential for 
> magic.
>
> Storm lasted for approx. 36hrs…
>
> Two days later I'm off on my first shake down ride, my favorite 20mi out 
> and back to a local spring. Best tasting water around. Fill up and head 
> back. Well, there was a 17mph headwind nearly the entire way there. And I 
> just couldn't get my pedal stroke comfortably where I wanted it, nor can I 
> even fully tell you what I mean by that. I did regularly think that it was 
> bizarre that I felt so fast and so uncomfortable, even in the wind. And it 
> was, as I later learned, strangely fast no matter how uncomfortable. 
>
> The pictures of evergreen and mini waterfall are the aforementioned spring 
> area. So then I simply turned around and rode an uncomfortable 10+ miles 
> back home on a phenomenal bike with a great tailwind. I knew the 
> uncomfortableness was do to my form, I just couldn’t figure out why it was 
> so bad and I couldn’t seem to fix it…also my ass my have never hurt this 
> bad from a c17 ever. 
>
> I got home and all of the gps data from my phone said that it was the 
> fastest I had ever done that out and back route. Not sure I believe this at 
> all. I am blown away, I don’t feel like I was pushing myself hard, mostly 
> due to just feeling awkward and uncomfortable. Other than how you would 
> expect to feel in any normal headwind, although, I averaged over 1mph 
> faster than normal. So I got out the tape and started measuring every. 
> 

[RBW] Re: For 22 years I've continually been surprised and repeated thrilled by my Road Custom

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My 1995 Rivendell Road is still the best bike I've ever owned and my 
favorite to ride. Its been repainted and has a new wheelset, but it goes on 
comfortable mile after mile with quick but not quirky handling and great 
feel. 

On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 10:17:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Much of my riding is extended errand riding, for which the new Matthews 
> road bike is my choice; much is also bosque riding, for which the new 
> Monocog is ideal, what with drought making the sand build up; and the other 
> Matthews "road bike for dirt" just feels fast and fun; it's also an errand 
> bike because it has lights for nighttime returns.
>
> So the 1999 Joe Starck custom gofast fixed gear has largely been ignored 
> this year; there was a 3-month hiatus, between 1/13 when I got rear ended 
> by a klutz cyclist and had to have the rear wheel rebuilt,  until 4/13 when 
> I started to feel sorry for it and took it for a ride; a 3d ride this year, 
> today, in place of the Matthews road bike even though I was running 
> errands.*
>
> But I have to say that over the 22 years I've owned this bike (delivered 
> April 1999), repeatedly and consistently it just "feels like home" in 
> respect of fit, feel, and above all, the energetic response to pedaling 
> input. It was just the same today; it just felt easier to pedal despite 
> having a gear higher than the cruising gear of any of my other bikes (76"; 
> the others are 72", 73", and Monocog, 65"). The 175 gram 28 mm Elk Pass 
> tires certainly help, but the experience was the same with 650C 23 mm Conti 
> Grands Prix and ditto for a couple of generations of Michelin Pro Races 
> (the EPs do feel even faster). 
>
> As much as I love my newer bikes, if someone held a gun to my head and 
> said, "Choose One," I'd choose the 1999 Joe (modified ~2018 by Chauncey 
> Matthews with 2nd bottle cage braze ons and longer dropouts, and a new Ford 
> Blue powdercoat). I've owned 5 Rivendells including 3 customs, but this one 
> just stands out head and shoulders.
>
> Minor updates since that 2018 shot: lighter blue tape, nicer, Ruthworks xl 
> seat bag, finally got around to overpainting the primer on the dropouts 
> (took off the fender braze ons Chauncey mistakenly forgot to remove).
>
>
> *Rode the final 1.5 miles home with a makeshift shoulder bag created from 
> 5 of so plastic shopping bags.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Introduction and Tire Question

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The Velocity A 23 is also tubeless compatible and comes in 26"

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:09:05 PM UTC-5 jmanw...@gmail.com wrote:

> Velocity cliffhanger is the only rim brake 26 tubeless ready that I know 
> of! 
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:38 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> One more remark: I hate heavy thorn proof tires -- they're not really 
>> "proof," only resistant, and pre-modern-sealant, I simply fixed a lot of 
>> flats; I used up most of 200 Rema patches every year; it was just the price 
>> to ride decent tires.
>>
>> But I did find one tire that rolled acceptably and was *almost* proof 
>> against goatheads even without any sealant: the Schwalbe Big Apple. They 
>> used to make this in a 26" size, but whether they still do, or whether it's 
>> still the same nice-rolling tire it was then, I don't know; this was 10 
>> years ago or more. I'd say that on dirt, the Big Apple is almost proof 
>> against thorns -- I'd come off the dirt with literally scores embedded in 
>> each tire; brush them off, ride on, no leak a day later. On pavement, only 
>> a few got through in miles of riding compared to the other, lighter tires I 
>> used.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 2:32 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I've dealt with goathead flats for decades, and modern sealants are the 
>>> best solution by far. I've used sealant in tubes (Orange Seal, regular 
>>> formula works in tubes while the "Endurance" formula does not), and as long 
>>> as the pressure is at least 40 psi it should fix the problem. It certainly 
>>> works well at 50 or 60 psi. 
>>>
>>> But for pressures lower than about 40 psi I find sealant does not work 
>>> well in tubes; I guess there's not enough pressue to get the sealant into 
>>> the hole in the tube. But sealants work fine in tubeless tires even at 15 
>>> or 12 psi, IME.
>>>
>>> Tubeless tire setups require a tire with special beads for tight fit, 
>>> plus a good buildup of of Stan's No Tubes rim tape on the rim bed. This can 
>>> be done even with rims *not* designed for tubeless tires, as long as 
>>> the rim bed is built up sufficiently with the tape so that the tire beads 
>>> can fit firmly against the insides of the rim; too little tape and it is 
>>> only air pressure holding the beads in place, which can lead to problems 
>>> great and small. 
>>>
>>> Since beads seem to stretch, and since you'll have to top up the sealant 
>>> every 3 months or so, you'll have to be ready to add another layer of tape 
>>> to regain the tight fit; then get the tight beads back in place against the 
>>> rim walls. I just bought a cheap air compressor to do so
>>>
>>> Easier all around if you switch to tubeless compatible rims as well as 
>>> tubeless tires; but finding tubeless rims for rim brakes in the 26" size 
>>> may be hard. Perhaps others can speak up.
>>>
>>> Upshot: try 2 fl oz of Orange Seal regular formula in your tubes. If 
>>> that doesn't work, get your rims set up for tubeless tires, and buy some 
>>> tubeless-ready tires and be prepared to adjust the setup after 3 months or 
>>> so with another layer of rim tape. I  use the Rene Herse Naches Pass, 26" X 
>>> 1.8". Very light and very nice rolling, but expensive.
>>>
>>> Finally, while sealant properly used will prevent thorn flats, it may 
>>> well not seal bigger holes, so you'll need backup: spare tube or tubes if 
>>> you are using tubes; I put sealant in my spare tubes when I use them; or, 
>>> if your tires are tubeless, a plug kit, or else a tube to install for 
>>> emergencies only. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 1:20 PM Christine Justice  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello,
 I'm Christine from Denver, CO. I'm a mom to three cats, one dog, and 
 one Rivendell. The Riv is a Clem H I bought new in 2019. All the parts are 
 stock except the handlebars. I swapped out the Bosco's for Velo Orange 
 Milan bars. The Bosco bars made the bike feel too small for me (I'm 5'5" 
 and it's the 45 size), and the Milan bars give me a semi-upright position 
 that makes it feel just right. This is my "do everything bike". Shopping, 
 touring, gravel riding, commuting, it's the bike I prefer for most things. 
 I have covered up the "JR", in "Clem Smith JR" with a Clementine sticker. 
 This bike is most certainly not a Junior, she is a classy lady!

 Early last year, I moved to Colorado. I had no idea what a goat head 
 was before moving here. Now unfortunately, I am well acquainted. I swapped 
 out the tires on all my bikes to Schwalbe Marathons to battle the buggers. 
 I'm still getting some flats though.  Is going tubeless worth the mess and 
 expense? I can't use these Marathons, they are the standard wire bead 
 version. And has anybody tried using the stock Clem wheels set up 
 tubelessly? I would already need new tires, and a better pump. So I think 
 new wheels are out of my budget.
 Frustrated with flats,
 Christine[image: 

[RBW] Re: Riv-style pants

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These pants are excellent for riding (articulatd knees) as well as hiking 
or climbing.  And very low priced.  I bought 3 pairs..  Close enough to the 
leg that they do not need a strap to stay our of yoru chain.

https://www.costco.com/eddie-bauer-men%E2%80%99s-tech-pant.product.100653334.html

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:19:48 PM UTC-5 Andrew Schlukebier wrote:

> If you want pants that are sort of like the old Riv pants, I recommend 
> these:
>
>
> https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/m-class-v-pant-nf0a48vj-c1?variationId=JK3_content=ecomm_medium=cpc_source=google_campaign=US+%7C+all+%7C+Hybrid+%7C+SHOP+-+AUT+~+All+-+Med+-+Sale+Items+-+General_term=PRODUCT_GROUP=CjwKCAjwvMqDBhB8EiwA2iSmPKOy42XkNrJ8OJN-IIR9LzmfHRg0E736gDHzyfrzN3RA3x6sE2KqQhoCD18QAvD_BwE=aw.ds
>
> I have 2 pairs of Riv pants, both XL, one with zippers and one with 
> Velcro. The one with Velcro is probably really XXL and mislabeled, since 
> it’s much longer and baggier and fits me like harem pants, though still OK.
>
> I now have 4 XL pairs of these North Face Class V Pants. People complain 
> that they’re baggy, but they’re less baggy than the (real XL) Riv pants, 
> also a little shorter. If Riv XL pants fit you, then these should fit you 
> in XL.
>
> These used to come in some extremely weird colors, weird even by Grant 
> standards I think, and maybe you can find some of those cheap on sale 
> somewhere. The Hawthorne Khaki Duck Camo Print-TNF Black ones at the link 
> are not weird, IMO, compared to some of those others.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

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Looking at the Riv site and the pics and "Standard" build noted there: The 
rear gearing is shown as 11-34 9 sp (my favorite!) but the R90 Sunrace mech 
in the picture will only do 11-28. Possibly, the bike will ship with a 
different rear unit. Sunrace does make an 11-34  capable MTB rear 
derailleur. Microshift is another source of nice parts for less money than 
the big name parts makers. 

On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 10:30:58 AM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Wow, it scales by wheel size basically perfectly, they look the same size 
> if you don't know ones 650b and ones 700c
>
> On Fri., Mar. 26, 2021, 5:51 a.m. Leah Peterson,  
> wrote:
>
>> I suppose it does because there was no demo at Riv until now. The demos 
>> prior to this one (we saw them in green and silver, I think) are off in the 
>> wild somewhere (don’t know who got them) and they were not the final 
>> design. So, the container must have arrived and that means Platypuses will 
>> be dotting the American countryside in the next few weeks!
>>
>> Really hoping they will immediately ship out the frames that are going to 
>> LBSs and Riv dealers. Just send ‘em off! Clears up space and gets more 
>> bodies on Platys sooner.
>>
>> I’m really curious to see the 60. And hopefully in the other color. So 
>> far we have the 50 and 55, pictured below:
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2021, at 11:38 PM, 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> So this must mean the container has finally arrived in Walnut Creek?!
>>
>> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 7:21:23 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/50cm-platypus-demo
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Here’s a Platypus Easter twist
>>>
>>> Ray
>>> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 6:08:08 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 Leah,
 I really like how you've personalized your bike with the colors. I'm 
 too bland to ride those colors but it really is a piece of art!
 Doug

 On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 2:43:09 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Thanks, all! I am so glad you see what I was trying for. This bike and 
> I are tightly bonded. I never look at it without smiling. Ever. 
>
> But it will be old news soon, because there will be a pile o’ new 
> Platys for us to admire!
>
> Rich asked: The front derailleur is Shimano Deore. 
>
> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 8:00:27 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>>
>> That is one breathtaking bicycle. My compliments!
>>
>> You may have addressed this in an earlier post but what front 
>> derailer is on there? Thank you!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:32:11 AM UTC-5 Ray Evans wrote:
>>
>>> I think you and that glorious bike need to go into a Witness 
>>> Protection Program now.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 9:08 PM Joe Bernard  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That bike with all its glorious teal and rose and Brooks and bags 
 is - and there is no higher compliment from me - CRAZY. As the kids 
 would 
 say, it's ridiculous! Excellent work all around from Leah the 
 parts/paint 
 picker, Analog Cycles for the parts/ano, and the pro shop that put it 
 all 
 together. And Grant/Riv for the bike! 

 Joe "I have a custom and I'm still jealous of Leah's bike" Bernard

 On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:53:12 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> (This message should have preceded my photos, but it was too large 
> and was not sent. Since the file is too large, you can see it on 
> Instagram 
> or the Facebook groups if you like.)
>
> Well, while we wait for the ship to be unloaded (MONDAY! 拾), I 
> made a video of my Platy because...IT’S FINALLY COMPLETE. I was 
> waiting on 
> a bunch of rose anodized parts and a Randi Jo bag in custom colors 
> and all 
> of those things arrived on Thursday and I whisked the whole getup to 
> the 
> bike shop for assembly. Here’s a video that may not show up. So after 
> that, 
> I’ll send pics.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> 
>
> "For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went to 
> Rivendell and the Platypus frames all showed up defective.  They 
> tried to 
> sell me a fat-tired folding E-bike.  Terrifying stuff."
>
> The way this would work in real like (cuz I'm the ebike liker 
> around here) is I would be in the parking lot selling that e-folder 
> out of 
> my trunk and 

Re: [RBW] Platypus Weight?

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continuing the stream of non-platypus data :)...My 52 cm Ram frame is 4 
lbs, 8 oz. The 54 cm Road frame is 4 lbs 1 oz.Both forks are 1 lb 11 
oz.  A waterford steel fork is 1 lb 7 oz.  Frames alone without BB, etc.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 10:13:40 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> If you want to build a lightweight step through, you should start with an 
> Ebisu mixte before Iimura-san finally completely retires.  
>
> Gallery of Customer Bikes-Mrs. Shirai's mixte (jitensha.com) 
> 
>
> About the Ebisu bicycle (jitensha.com) 
> 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 7:26:33 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @aeroperf - I'm liking the idea of the lightweight step-thru, which 
>> returns us to the question regarding the Platypus weight. For reference, 
>> the Soma Buena Vista comes in at 7lbs with a fork. My data point is my Trek 
>> 330 which is my sort experimental platform bike and comes in at 29lbs with 
>> rack, vintage light etc. which just feels about right. How much of that is 
>> weight & how much is 531 of course?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 6:56:28 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The first place to go for weight savings you can feel when riding are 
>>> (in this order) tires, tubes, rims. All that stuff rotating way out there 
>>> adds up fast. Then ditch racks, fenders, front derailer and its shifter, 
>>> extra chainrings. That'll getcha down to a base weight that's still ridable 
>>> and Rivish; beyond this you're looking at weight weenie hubs, bars, stems, 
>>> seatposts. And that Brooks B17 is out!
>>>
>>> Dang, now I want to try this on my custom. Could be pricey! 
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 4:20:54 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 This thread is becoming a very interesting discussion for me.
 For 40 years I designed and tested airplanes.  I specialized in 
 aerodynamics/performance, hence: aeroperf.  When a boss would ask what was 
 my greatest challenge, I would have to say “Weight!”.

 So Phillip points out that “those Kenda tires weigh over 5lbs a pair.”  
 That leads me to wonder where my Sam’s 30.5 pounds has come from, 
 especially since Linda G is riding a 22.6 pound Roadini, and all frames 
 seem to be in the 6 - 10 pound range.
 And I’m thinking Bill Lindsay has a great idea to try a super light 
 build for a step through.  Where DOES one pick up (or shed) all that extra 
 weight?  And, does it really affect how a Riv rides?

 I know tire weight does, because both my wife and myself have commented 
 how riding 810 gram Schwalbe Marathon tires seem to be like going through 
 mud compared to the 505 gram SpeedRides we’re used to.   Plus, my college 
 bicycle team would line a set of wheel rims with lead under the rim tape 
 if 
 they wanted to “challenge” the hill climbers.  But that still appears to 
 be 
 a small contributor to overall bicycle weight.

 I really haven’t seen where a pound or two makes a difference on my 
 Sam.  If I add a rear-view mirror, it seems insignificant.  On the other 
 hand, my touring bike, a Soma Saga Disc, weighs only a half pound more 
 than 
 the Sam comparably equipped.  But when I pile on 40 pounds of gear, the 
 Sam 
 chokes while the Saga goes “Meh.”  So there must be a cumulative effect, 
 that only *seems* insignificant.

 Back to the subject.  The Riv web site advertises the Platypus as a 
 “country bike” just like the Sam.  How DO the frame weights compare?



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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB/WTT 650b rim brake wheelset

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Tough to beat that price for a useful wheel set. I just had a lighter set 
built at Universal Cycles with 32 hole A23 rims and 105 hubs for double 
that, and I thought that was still decent for nice wheels.

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 1:47:11 PM UTC-6 tmp1...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> velomine has this:  
> https://www.velomine.com/index.php?main_page=product_info=235_312_id=6004=983amrvtm677nkrtp9775c7e54
> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 11:03:50 AM UTC-6 Brendan Willard in SF 
> wrote:
>
>> In the tradition of always having the wrong wheelsets around, I ask you 
>> all to forgive me for failing to notice that I would need a 650b wheelset 
>> when moving from a 59 clem to a 52.  Possible trade for one of my 700c 
>> wheelsets (rich built, deore xt/lx/velocity variety).  
>>
>> Didn't I just have several 650b wheelsets??  I did.  Yes.
>>
>> Brendan in SF, who has 3 wheelsets for one frame, no wheelsets for 
>> another, and a wheelset that doesn't fit any of his frames.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

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For those wanting to keep tabs on the shipment:

https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/YM-UNICORN-IMO-9462732-MMSI-416464000
On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 6:45:51 PM UTC-6 Hetchins52 wrote:

> Will sent out an email a little over an hour ago detailing items back in 
> stock, things of interest and goings on at RBW. 
> He included this comment:
> "Our next batch [of Sams], coming on the *YM Unicorn* with the Platypus 
> frames is delayed 17 days because of bad weather and 'berth congestion'."
>
> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:48:16 PM UTC-8 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If I understood correctly it has to do with unusual weather and shipping 
>> containers at the port, a lack of "parking spaces" more or less?
>>
>> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 1:30:40 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jared, did Vince say why? 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sigh is right, David.
>>>
>>>
>>> Spoke with Vince yesterday, he did indeed say mid-March ETA.
>>>
>>> Hopefully that gives more people time to get funds together to help 
>>> support an amazing company and get a killer bike in the process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 12:00:46 PM UTC-8 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>>
 And, now, I see that the Platypus page says ETA of “mid-March!”
 
 David Lipsky
 On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 3:32:59 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> [image: 4AFE365B-C68C-46F4-A214-CAF3AF3A5949.jpeg]It’s going to be 
> your turn! It’s finally 2021 and January is the month of the mixte, or so 
> the Riv site says. I’m really excited to see everyone’s new bikes and how 
> each one is set up. Did anyone get a Platypus voucher for a Christmas 
> present? Or maybe no excuse was necessary - you’re just getting it. What 
> do 
> you have in mind for your new bike? Commuter? Adventure bike? Rambler? 
> Errands? 
>
> You’re in for such a treat. The bike is light, fun, gorgeous, and very 
> capable. I can’t wait to hear your news and see your photos. If you’re on 
> Instagram, Rivendell has an official hashtag for us to use: #rbwplatypus. 
>
> Happy New Year!
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: My Rambouillet Build

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Jay:  I had mine painted in Pelham AL by Nathan Barnes 
(https://www.instagram.com/nate_barnes81/).  He paints cars and motorcycles 
during the week, bicycles (and sometimes plane parts) on the weekend.  I 
think he does great work and he is very reasonable in cost. I have a PDF of 
the decals and had them made by a decal shop in MS. It was pretty 
reasonable and there are two clear coats over them on my bike. My color is 
actually a past Ford Mustang color called Autumn Gold. I didn't like it on 
the cars but I think it's very nice on the bicycle. The cream is standard 
RBW same as came on the bike. Msg me if you want more info on decals.  I've 
helped someone else here on the list as well, but am getting old and 
forgetful so I couldn't say who. 

the Old Slow Guy

On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 8:17:23 AM UTC-6 Jay LePree wrote:

> Ben:  That is beautiful.  I have one of the last orange white 54 cm that 
> we sold.  (I purchased it in 2003).  I have been looking for a painter.  
> Where did you have your bike painted?  How did you get the new decals?
>
> Jay
> Demarest, NJ
>
> On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 5:31:58 PM UTC-5 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> Hello Fellow RBW Owners,
>>
>> Wanted to do a little update on my Rambouillet build in progress, now 
>> that it is actually taking form.
>>
>> First, a little bit of background. I've been lucky enough to have built 
>> up four (4!) Riv bikes already, but this is really shaping up to be a truly 
>> unique one for me. This Ram’s story started (for me) way back in late 2017 
>> with me purchasing it off fellow list member Keith as a F/F/HS. 
>> Unfortunately a number of not so great life events happened shortly after 
>> that, including fracturing my leg, taking me off the bike for nearly 6 
>> months. The frame moved with me down a new path in life, but mostly 
>> collected dust in my garage. Not forgotten or abandoned, but definitely a 
>> bit lonely while I worked on 2 more bikes that were more recently acquired. 
>> During this time I quietly acquired used parts and ideas that eventually 
>> coalesced into a build for the Rambouillet.
>>
>> The Ram frame itself is 64 cm painted with a beautiful sage green with a 
>> bit of pearl iridescent to it. It has a couple of small paint chips on the 
>> non-drive side seatstay, but otherwise in pristine condition. It was 
>> included with a Tange headset.
>>
>> Previous Rivendell builds had mostly involved me purchasing brand new 
>> components (not having a large parts bin to work off of), I think these 
>> builds were still fun and interesting, but really been driven by new or 
>> recent bike component technology. My vision for the Ram build is really to 
>> focus on used/vintage/NOS stock parts as much as possible, but also fun and 
>> practical to me. I know, not a revolutionary design principle, but this is 
>> my first time executing it.
>>
>> The heart of this began around the idea of setting it up as a DT friction 
>> shifting using a vintage Huret Duopar Eco I got off eBay. The Duopar was 
>> originally introduced in 1975 with the Eco being released in 1981. These 40 
>> year old derailleurs were originally intended for 6 speed freewheel, but 
>> through the magic of friction shifting and a little finessing, seem to work 
>> just fine with a 9 speed cassette. The big thing about the Duopar is it was 
>> one of first (perhaps the first?) derailluer to handle up to a 36t cog and 
>> 40 teeth of chainwrap. My understanding is that these RD’s are slightly 
>> controversial in terms of either loving or hating them (lots is said about 
>> their maintenance issues), but part of this was trying to find out for 
>> myself. As I am just starting to learn about these derailleurs, it’d be 
>> nice to hear from others about their experience!
>>
>> Over the last couple of days I’ve been able to get the Duopar dialed in 
>> and shift through a Shimano HG 11-36 cassette using Silver DT shifters and 
>> paired with a Sugino triple that I converted to 44/30. Today I finished 
>> mounting a pair of Paul Racer centerpulls that I got off a list member and 
>> got strung together to the NOS Mafac levers I got off eBay. These are 
>> mounted on the Crust Shaka bars (my new favorite bars), which is so far the 
>> only brand new part on this build besides the Velo Orange seatpost (I did 
>> have a vintage seatpost I had been planning on using, but the mounting 
>> plates have a lot of corrosion that is preventing them from providing a 
>> tight hold). With brakes on and functional, I was able to take it out and 
>> test the shifting in real conditions. And I have to say, it feels really 
>> nice, couldn’t be happier at this point.
>>
>> The eventual plan is to swap the 700c wheels for 650b (but the 650b 
>> wheels that I had planned to go on here ended up on my girlfriends 
>> Rambouillet!) and put on 42mm BSP’s.
>>
>> I know this is a long write-up, but it’s been a long road to this build. 
>> But it is finally nearing 

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

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Several frame makers over the years have copied (or tried to) the Rivendell 
design DNA. V-O, New Albion, Handsome and Rawland come to mind before the 
more recent Crust.  I rode someone's Norvindian and was surprise how UNLIKE 
my Riv it actually rode. I built a New Albion for a cousin and liked it 
(especially at its price point) but also, easy to tell the difference in 
ride.  Riv has evolved significantly since its beginning. A Long Low or 
Road does not ride anywhere near the same as a current long stay, slack 
angle, fat tire Joe Appa, Clem or even a Hillborne. I think, as Riv often 
says in their own ad copy, all their bikes still "have that Rivendell 
feel." I tend to agree with that.

As to which is "better," taste is always in the sense of the taster. I lean 
towards Rivendell and still recommend them to other riders looking for 
comfortable, useful bikes that are also rolling works of art.

Bruce 

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 10:33:43 PM UTC-6 Mark Schneider wrote:

> I deliberately didn't bother to watch it because it's a stupid click bate 
> title and a ridiculous premise. Like Ben stated they're both great bikes, 
> but quite different. My custom Terafrerrma is nothing like my Masi, or my 
> Homer or Atlantis. If I'm going on a long fastish ride but want my camera 
> in my bag in front of me I take the low trail custom. I use the old Masi if 
> I just want to ride hard and fast. But most the time I just chill on one of 
> the Rivendell's that are still fast, fun, and plush.
> I found the idea as ridiculous as people arguing who's better, Clapton, 
> Page Beck, or Mick Taylor. (It's obviously Peter Green)lol.
> I'm sure I'll watch the video eventually, Russ does a great job and he's 
> level headed and fair. 
>
> Mark 
> Half Moon Bay area
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote:
>
>> The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the 
>> provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? 
>> " 
>>
>> The actual video is a lot less provocative. Basically Russ comparing his 
>> Hillborne to his Bombora. Still interesting, but maybe less so than it 
>> could be? 
>>
>> I imagine Crust and Rivendell must get compared to each other a lot. I 
>> know that their the only two bike frames I currently own and ride, so I do 
>> it more or less constantly. I imagine that this is partly due to Matt & 
>> Bene purposefully designing the Romanceur frame with the Rivendell 
>> aesthetic in mind. I think Russ sort of touches on that, when comparing the 
>> Bombora to the All City and the Hillborne to the Richtey. He seems to be 
>> saying, the Ritchey/All City aesthetic lacked something the Riv/Crust bikes 
>> had. 
>>
>> Anyways, I think of Crust as threadless, disc, and low trail compared to 
>> Rivendell with rim brakes, quill stems, and high trail. Like most thing's 
>> not hard and fast (see: Canti Lightning Bolt). What's your hot take on the 
>> two?
>>
>> I think both bike companies are really doing some amazing and important 
>> stuff for the bike industry. What I think would be really interesting 
>> collaboration between Grant and Matt. Maybe something along the lines of 
>> the Soma San Marcos, but both providing inputs. That'd be really cool!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

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Coming in late on this thread. Clipping in will make your feet colder as 
the cleat is a heat sink. Even if you clip in normally, going to platforms 
in winter is a thought.   If it's just cold but not too windy, thick wool 
socks in sandals does keep feet warm and allows moisture to wick away. I 
have several pairs of wool socks in thin, medium and heavy thickness. I 
also have sock liners with reflective material that bounces heat back at my 
feet. In wind or wet, the sealskins already mentioned are good. they allow 
wicking out but not water getting in.  They need socks inside. If it's 
warmer, say in the 32F to 45F range, I just wear leather sneakers a half 
size larger (also as noted above by others) with medium weight wool socks.

I never would have tried sandals and wool socks, but a northern randonneuse 
came down for one of my 300K winter brevets a few years ago and that's what 
she had on. The set up worked so I gave it a try.

Tailwinds

Bruce

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 4:01:19 AM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:

> In our winter here we are often riding in the morning in temperatures a 
> few degrees below zero (Celcius) - say low 20s Fahrenheit. As I use MTB 
> pedals, I wear Shimano MW7 winter boots - they're not cheap, but they do a 
> good job of keeping my feet warm when out on rides of two or three hours in 
> those sort of temperatures.
>
> If you tend to suffer from cold hands, lobster mitts are good, as they 
> minimise the amount of surface area through which heat is lost. I have some 
> Carnac ones, and my wife has some Pearl Izumi:
>
> [image: 0177487f-06b8-474d-b4d7-e4111a6374c2[1].jpg]
>
> Nick Payne
> Canberra
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Personal Experiences Request.

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Prowheelbuilder.com has the silver color Shimano 105 (R7000) rear hub for 
$61 and front for $36.  105 is a longer tested product than V-O, if you can 
live with a non polished finish, and the price is certainly right.  I built 
a 650B set with these hubs and Velocity Synergy rims.  More recently I 
bought a set of wheels with A23 rims and like them so far.  I have 38mm 
tires on both wheelsets. A third wheelset has the polished White Ind hubs 
and Synergy wheels and 32mm tires. All of them ride just fine. 

On Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 2:34:54 AM UTC-6 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Ben,
>
> You don't sound argumentative and I appreciate your opinion.
>
> Is that article online? If it is, I'd appreciate a link, I'm curious to 
> read Jan's opinion on this matter. I was expressing someone else's belief 
> which I think I mentioned. I have had various experiences with larger tires 
> and depending on the rim and psi I've felt the tire roll or collapse on 
> cornering. Probably user error, running too low of a tire pressure. I've 
> had 2.1 thunder burts on a 23mm rim and 2.8 and 3.0's on a DT Swiss 40mm 
> rim and on my AHH I ran Velocity A23's with numerous tires from 38 to 42mm. 
> As far as the Pacenti rims I think my buddies opinion was simply the j hook 
> that holds the bead on isn't a good as say the HED's but good god $165 per 
> rim. I actually like the look of the Pacenti rim. Although I can't recall 
> where I heard this but they were difficult to set up tubeless? I may be 
> wrong on this matter. If you have first had experience with the Pacenti I'm 
> happy to listen/hear.
>
> Best, 
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 11:31 PM Ben Miller  wrote:
>
>> Hi Hugh,
>>
>> Sounds like you know what you are after in terms of rim size, and yeah as 
>> you found I think you're choices in silver are limited. 
>>
>> I'm not trying to argue or change you're mind, but I am going to offer a 
>> counterpoint to anyone else you is following this thread. Jan of Bicycle 
>> Quarterly has opinion that rim width on larger tyres doesn't effect 
>> handling. He has a brief section in his recent book on this very subject 
>> called "rim width and cornering" that includes a compelling (to me) 
>> example. And, from my own experience, I have 60 mm wide tyres on Velocity 
>> Dyads which have an internal width of 18.6 mm.
>>
>> Everyone has their own experiences and preferences, which is one of the 
>> best things about building up bikes because you get to express that. I'm 
>> sure you'll be happy with you're piece of mind on wider rims! Best of luck.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:29:32 PM UTC-8 Weston Hein wrote:
>>
>>> The wheelset on my Clem is built from the previous generation VO touring 
>>> hubs (same manufacturer?)  laced to Cliffhangers. I've run 2.35 G-One 
>>> speeds and 55mm Antelope hills on them and both tires set up very easily 
>>> tubeless using velocity rim tape. 
>>>
>>> I'm really happy with the hubs- they feel really smooth and have minimal 
>>> resistance when spinning them in the stand. I'd rate the free hub as medium 
>>> loudness. It's not a hub noise that I would "notice" as being unusually 
>>> loud if that makes sense. No high pitched buzz or anything that makes you 
>>> focus on it. But it's definitely not Shimano quiet. I did quiet it down 
>>> some using some Dumonde Tech free hub grease but the effect wore off and I 
>>> stopped reapplying it as the hub noise doesn't really bother me. 
>>>
>>> Hubs have been problem free for 3 years of Seattle commuting/light 
>>> touring and off-road riding. The free hub is incredibly easy to service and 
>>> the bearings are easy to access too (though I haven't had to replace them). 
>>> All in all I think it's a great value for a nice looking, no nonsense hub. 
>>> Can't argue with the quality of White, but if you're looking for a lower 
>>> price point the VO may be a great option. If I needed another 135 qr 
>>> wheelset, I'd choose these hubs again, especially with the excellent 
>>> customer support that I've had from VO in the past.
>>> On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 8:47:47 PM UTC-8 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
 Hi Michael,

 Here are the specs for the Cliffhangers and A23's. You'll notice the 
 A23's optimal max tire width is 35mm 

 https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584

 And the cliffhanger optimal tire widths are between 45mm and 65mm the 
 schwabe g1's are 2.25 or approximately 56 mm.

 https://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/cliffhanger-584

 I imagine your going to run a narrower tire?

 Best Regards,

 Hugh

 On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 8:33 PM velomann  wrote:

> Velocity A-23 rims come in silver, are tubeless compatible, and have a 
> brake track.
> I have a pir I'm going to build up for my Sam as soon as I track 

[RBW] Re: Leah Peterson Takes A Stand

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Hi Leah:

I have used the Minoura RS-5000 for years.  Similar to the Park, but 
includes a tray that is handy to put tolls and especially small bits you 
remove and need to re install.  The head rotates to clamp a top tube or 
seat post.  When working on a bike like a Clem L, a TT carry bar is very 
handy. That way, you don't have to un do saddle bags or pull out the seat 
post. I also have a little bar that goes in the clamp and lets me hang the 
bike by the saddle, which is very quick and easy for simple things.  There 
is a less expensive saddle only stand too.

https://www.amazon.com/Minoura-bike-repair-stand-RS-5000/dp/B000OYJFR6

http://www.minoura.jp/english/tool/repairstand/hms-10.html

On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 3:17:09 AM UTC-6 Nick Payne wrote:

> I have the same Feedback Sports stand that someone else has mentioned, and 
> I use it sometimes and it works well, but my preferred method of working on 
> bikes is to hang them from a pair of widely spaced ropes fastened to 
> eyebolts in the wall each side of my garage:
>
> [image: IMG_20190403_073415.jpg]
>
> Nick
>
> On Wednesday, 20 January 2021 at 2:04:27 pm UTC+11 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Ok, that got your attention. 
>>
>> I’m not actually taking a stand so much as BUYING a stand. I have had it 
>> with trying to work on a bike on its kickstand. Tonight I tried to put 
>> sealant in my tire and the tire deflated and my Clementine tipped over. 
>> Hopping mad...that would be an apt description of me in the garage tonight. 
>> I’m sick and tired of wrecking my back and fed up with the awkwardness of 
>> working on a bike that is always threatening to tip over. I’m taking a 
>> stand against not having a stand.
>>
>> I know Rivendell sells a stand but last I checked, it is sold out and 
>> also $$$. Is there anything that makes their stand worth waiting for? 
>>
>> I don’t have many preferences, save two: I don’t want something that 
>> takes up a bunch of room, and I want the clamp to be on the seat post. (Not 
>> the frame.)
>>
>> You’re the best!
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Wanted to Buy: Downtube Shifter Clamp / Adapter

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Universal Cycles has the Sun race entire unit for $10.  Problem Solvers has 
a clamp for $40.

On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 12:48:13 PM UTC-6 Evan E. wrote:

> I’m looking for a downtube shifter clamp to which I can attach some 
> Rivendell Silver downtube shifters (the shifters that Rivendell offered 
> about seven years ago, based on the old Suntour Sprint micro-ratcheting 
> shifters, if I recall). If you have one such clamp , 28.6, silver, that 
> you’re willing to sell, please let me know. Thanks. And happy holidays!
>
> Evan Elliot in San Francisco
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[RBW] Betty Foy 50 cm on Rivendellicious FB Group

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Saw a nice looking Betty for sale on the Rivendelliscous FaceBook Group.  
Looks like a standard build.  Owner is looking for $2K + shipping.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/19202914712/permalink/10158387013434713/


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[RBW] Changing tires on Cliffhanger rims

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My local friend with a Clem L asked for some help today.  She was having 
trouble getting the Continental Contact Speed tires off the cliffhanger rim 
wheels of her Clem L. When I took a turn at it, I was surprised at how 
difficult it is to get a lever under the tire bead. Looking at he Velocity 
page, I noticed that they are advertised as close fitting and that a thin 
rim tape must be used.  The wheels shipped from Walnut Creek with that rim 
tape so I kept looking. 

I noticed the center of the rim track was depressed from the edges, so when 
I squeezed the tire so that the beads were over the center, all of a 
sudden, there was space for a tire lever to get in and work. They were 
tight to start with but once started, they come off like any other tire. 
I've not ridden Cliffhangers but have noticed that they are mentioned here 
pretty often.

Am  I the last to discover this? :)

Tailwinds

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[RBW] Re: Comparing Rivendell Bikes to the old Bridgestones: Has anyone here experienced both a Rambouillet and an RB-T?

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Considering that the same person designed the RB-T and the Rambouillet 
within a few years of each other and they were both Japanese production, 
similarities in some respects are to be expected. Ram has a sloped TT, and 
uses heat treated material for the downtube and chainstays while the RB-T 
does not. The Ram feels stiffer but not unpleasantly so.  The differences 
in HT angle are enough to notice in handling characteristics. Ram is a 
neutral steerer that tracks though turns like it is on rails. Ram has 132.5 
OLD to accept either road or mountain hubs. It can be set up with road 
wheels and 25mm Contis for a fast club ride, or CX wheels with 1 1/2" 
Paselas for Townie, cruiser, or country road riding. It does both well.  I 
ride mustache bars on mine and like them when canted for comfortable grip 
although in the past the bike had Nitto Noodles.  The RB-T is more roadish, 
sharper cornering, and at 126 OLD, intended for freewheel equipment. It's 
easy to spread the stays and pop a 130 road hub in there.  I found that I 
wasn't riding my Bridgestone much compared to the Ram so I sold it some 
years ago.

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:46:33 AM UTC-6 Nathan Mattia wrote:

>
> *Has anyone here ridden both the Rambouillet AND an RB-T?  *Looking at 
> it’s geometry, the RB-T is very similar to geometry of a Rivendell 
> Rambouillet, more than a Hillborne or a Homer. 
>
> My RB-T is 56cm, so that's what I'm comparing and I was struck by the 
> similarities to the Rambouillet.  Note the level top-tube, similar 
> Standover heights, Seat-tube and Head-tube angles,  bottom bracket drop, 
> and chainstay lengths.  Do they ride similarly?  I don’t know.  But they 
> look almost the same.
>
> [image: IMG_5225.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_5226.jpeg]
>
>  In Rivendell Reader 32 from the Spring of 2004, Grant Petersen recalls 
> his time at Bridgestone and makes these proclamations:
>
> “Set up a scale from 1 to 100, and let’s agree to call our current 
> Rivendell customs a 100, and a Magna (department store) mountain bike a 5.
>
> The high-end Bstones were 45s, and the middle ones were 35s. [Let’s call 
> an RB-T a “40” then, in Grant’s estimation]. Comparably priced production 
> bikes in the late ‘80s and ‘90s were in the low 30s. Some of the better 
> production bikes in the early ‘80s—especially ’81 through ’85 (Specialized 
> Expedition, Sequoia, Centurion Dave Scott, Miyata 600)—were in the low 50s, 
> about 55. The Toyo-built bikes are 87s. “  
>
> Given this scale, I’d actually put the RB-T closer to a 75.  It's that 
> good.  
> If Grant wanted to place it in the Riv lineup today and move it up to an 
> 87, he’d just add 2 cm to the stays, put more eyelets on the frame for 
> racks and give it slightly bigger tire clearances.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2020-11-20 at 11.00.47 PM.png]
>
> Here’s what I know:  I like the flexiness of the RB-T frame.  I like how 
> quickly it gets up to speed.  I like to push it around downhill curves.  It 
> is NOT the work of art that is my Rivendell Sam Hillborne.   I take Samwise 
> when I want to forget about the effort of the ride and become one with the 
> beauty all around me.  I take the RB-T when I want to go fast and become 
> one with my bike.
>

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for Front Der for Clem H?

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The Alivio derailler goes under the bottom boss but reaches up high.  I've 
seen it on several Hybrid "fitness" bikes.  Another option.
https://www.rei.com/product/182374/shimano-alivio-m3100-3-x-9-speed-front-derailleur

On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 12:30:58 PM UTC-6 Ray wrote:

> Joe, don't give it a second thought. Your comment didn't read know-it-all 
> to me in the slightest. I know you were just being helpful.
>
> Mark, thank you for the encouragement. I am worried as you said that the 
> best place to mound the derailleur is right where that boss is as it 
> currently can make the shift but rubs slightly and so only needs to be a 
> few millimeters higher. Still, I'll give it a shot after work tonight and 
> see if that will be a good solution. Also, I fully agree about the band 
> clamp being a pain. It took me several attempts to get it hooked and at one 
> point the band shot across the room while I was trying to adjust tighten 
> it...
>
> Ray
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 7:49:13 PM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Final word! That Exage is one of those derailleurs with the band clamp. I 
>> have a Deore LX I think with that design, which I find to be a  pain. But 
>> the good news is, no water bottle cage clearance issues. And it handles up 
>> to a 48t ring, so you should be able to get it to work fine here.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Can someone do a timeline on where Rivs were made and when?

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Actually, there was the original Road, with a level top tube and the 
slightly later Road Standard, with a sloping top tube. Also, the drop outs 
came from different suppliers.

Bruce (1995 Road)

On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:02:20 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> So every frame other than the original Roads, AR’s and of course customs 
> started as imports even if at some point they came back to Waterford it 
> would seem.  Am I missing any other originally MIA frames? 
>
> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The Atlantis started in Japan, too. Bleriot was the first Taiwan model, 
>> then some time after that the costs got so high for the Toyo frames that it 
>> made more sense to have those done in USA at Waterford. There are two model 
>> names that have existed on Toyo, Waterford and MIT frames: Atlantis and 
>> Homer. 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 8:27:52 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Steve. 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:20 AM Steve Palincsar  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Rambouillet and Saluki were made by Toyo in Japan.  They never were US 
 made.
 On 10/31/20 10:52 AM, Joel S wrote:

 I had an first run Rambouillet and Saluki, I just assumed they were USA 
 made.  I see a lot of posts saying Toyo so I am not sure if this was for 
 the original runs or a bit later runs.  I always thought the first not 
 made 
 in USA was the MIT Bleriot.

 You're wrong about that.  


 Steve Palincsar
 Alexandria, Virginia 
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[RBW] Re: Tomorrow’s the day! New Mixte Day!

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Very happy for you Leah!  I just built up a new Hilsen for a local lady and 
am familiar with the excitement you feel. Looking forward to seeing your 
always on fleek cycling ensemble. As Mom used to say, "ride it in good 
health!"

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 10:08:18 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Yesterday, I got the email I’ve been waiting for since...well, forever. Or 
> since 2018, which is the same thing. Tomorrow around 2 or 3 pm, that UPS 
> truck will pull up, and the friendly guy in the brown uniform will be 
> lugging a (hopefully intact) box from Rivendell. Inside will be the 
> glittery raspberry mixte that I have been pining for for YEARS. The first 
> Platypus, the only one of its kind, and I am dangerously close to imploding 
> with happiness.
>
> Years ago, maybe 2013, I saw a lipstick pink Rivendell custom mixte on 
> Flickr. It belonged to a woman who loved it fiercely and still does, to 
> this day (she has posted it on social media as recently as April 2020). I 
> thought I would want her exact bike, if I could choose whatever bike and 
> color I wanted. Some time later, I saw a red Glorius (Cyclofiend’s wife’s 
> bike) and I liked that even better. I changed my mind and said if I ever 
> got a chance to choose, I’d choose a metallic red Rivendell. Then I made 
> the famous PurpleRiv’s acquaintance, and I saw her beautiful custom mixte 
> with the sexy swoops in the back and I thought, “Actually, I’d like a bike 
> like hers, but in metallic cranberry.” When rumors of the Anniversary Mixte 
> swirled on the Blahg, I hoped for that bike to be the One Bike to Rule Them 
> All. Maybe the AM could be the right mixte in the right color. But that 
> bike was never made.
>
> But tomorrow something will arrive that has exceeded all my previous 
> ideals. I will get a Rivendell mixte with the sexy swoops like PurpleRiv’s 
> in a color that you’d imagine if you combined cranberry red and lipstick 
> pink.
>
> A Raspberry Metallic Rivendell Mixte.
>
> I did not sleep last night and I doubt I will sleep tonight. This will 
> make sense to no one (except maybe my #RivSisters) but I have spent the 
> last couple of hours getting ready for my bike to arrive tomorrow. I 
> cleaned my house. Washed my floors. I went up to my room and gave myself 
> the spa treatment. Clarifying masks. Pumice stones. I gave myself a 
> manicure and pedicure and all my nails are painted raspberry with a shiny, 
> clear topcoat. I can’t explain why this had to be done but it feels like a 
> natural part of the process to me. I chose my outfit and have planned my 
> day. I love my RBW Blue Clementine, but I’m ready to park a Rivendell mixte 
> next to it. 
>
> I will try to get good photos tomorrow, but I might also just tip over. 
> This is a bolus of joy in an otherwise difficult year. I have imagined this 
> bike for so long and now it will finally be real.
>
> I can’t wait for tomorrow! Thanks for celebrating with me here. It is good 
> to be among friends.
> Leah
>
>
>

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[RBW] Be still my beating heart, a new 8 speed group.

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I've used Microshift twice now to convert flat bar hybrids to drop bar road 
style. A lot of value for the price and they work well.

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[RBW] Ever get pulled over by police while on your bike?

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Not pulled over, but a deputy pulled along side after I rolled through one of 
those 8 sided signs you see at intersections and said, "You know those STOP 
signs are for you too."  I said, "yes officer thank you for reminding me." He 
waved and sped off.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 26" Road Wheelset

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Sold

Thank you

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[RBW] Rambouillet as Tourer

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The Ram was intended for lightish touring and it does that well. Handling with 
any kind of front load depends a lot on the handlebar type and stem length 
used.  I toured with the stock Nitto Noodles. I used a Mark's rack with 
P-Clamps and a small Baggins bag with up to 5 lbs in it.  I also used a Duluth 
Candy roll handlebar bag for lightweight, want quick access to stuff, like lip 
protector, my phone, etc. Mostly, supplies went into 2 Nashbar panniers on a 
lightweight aluminum rear rack. That was to keep the center of gravity lower. 
Rain jacket and pants, helmet cover was in a large Baggins bag on top of the 
rack.  I had a Keven's bag under the saddle with tire change stuff.  The bike 
was a little rear heavy that way. handling was fine, but picking up and 
carrying was different. I have almost always ridden the same 32 mm Paselas that 
were original issue.

These days, that bike is re-configured as my Townie/Sunday Cruiser but still 
has a rack in back and a Baggins bag on top.

Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 26" Road Wheelset

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Sale is pending payment.

Thanks

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[RBW] FS 26" Road Wheelset

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The potential buyer found my reply in his spam folder after he bought another 
set, so these are still available.

Thx

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[RBW] Re: MUSA pants and shorts replacement elastic band?

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The silver lining to gaining a little weight is that my MUSA shorts stay up 
better now. :)

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 7:16:00 AM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> Has anyone replaced the elastic band on their MUSA pants or shorts? I 
> replaced with climbing webbing, but it has no stretch. I would love to hear 
> of a tried a true source, as it is hard to see how thick the bands are 
> online, and I am not sure where to even go in person to find such a thing.
> I think it is a 15mm elastic band.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
>
> Edwin
> Nashville
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L arrived, couple of thoughts and questions

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Hey Kurt!

Nice looking bike!  I suggested it to a local rider who needed an upright 
posture. She loves hers. She started out last Fall at 10 - 12 mph avg, but 
now is around 16 on club rides with it. A one point this morning, she was 
pulling our pace line at 18. So the bike isn't that slow. (This bike has 
the Conti basketball tires and cliffhanger rim wheels) All that to say that 
your wife can expect to ride about as quick or slow as she wants, in 
comfort, and looking good.

  Bruce

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[RBW] Soma leftside chainstay clamp-on kickstand: Reviews?

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I just added a kickstand to a bike (Raleigh C30 hybrid) for a local rider.  
This one worked great and the action was smooth. Looked and felt like it was 
well made. 1/2 the cost of the SOMA.

https://www.amazon.com/BV-Bike-Kickstand-Adjustable-Mountain/dp/B00LNM79CQ/ref=sr_1_3?crid=QGNIH6LGDSH9=1=bicycle%20kickstand%20rear%20mount=1596759231=bicycle%20kickstand%20rear%2Caps%2C174=8-3

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[RBW] Good 700C Wheelset for Sale

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This hub/rim combo is an excellent one.

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[RBW] FS Brooks B17S Imperial

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One of our locals opted for Selle Anatomica over Brooks so there is a honey 
color B17S with the slot available for $50 plus postage.  He says about 500 
miles on it.  Email me if interested (fullylugged at yahoo)  and I will put you 
in touch. I'd take it at the price but I am an S-A rider. He asked me tonight 
if I knew anyone who might like it. 

Tailwinds

Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Bike shorts/ Liners

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Patrick:

 Kucharik still offers genuine leather chamois as a $26.50 upcharge in their 
shorts. Chheck out their wool and Helenca shorts.

To the OP:   Zoic sells a variety of shorts liners with various pad thickness.  
I usually wear an unpadded under layer of lycra with silver ions under an 
unpadded wool short, but sometime on long rides I want a little padding. Then  
use a Zoic liner under my shorts.

Bruce

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[RBW] Re: Shoe recommendations for wet fall

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Thicker wool socks and sandals work well for me down to about 40F unless the 
wind is strong. Then I add wind covers. below 40F, I wear seal skinz over my 
socks and they are the bomb when it gets really cold. Still with sandals.   
https://www.sealskinzusa.com/

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[RBW] Derailer / Shifter Math for my Custom

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If you want to use indexing, use a shiftmate to cross match Shimano and Campy:  
 http://www.jtekengineering.com/shiftmate/

If you go friction, everything works with everything.  

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[RBW] Riv ripples in the bike world

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While prepping for a FB live class this week on steering, I happened to look up 
the geometry for the 2020 TREK Domane.  Here's the latest and newest 
development in the race world:   
"First and foremost, consider the tire size. The original Domane came with 
25mm-wide tires, but the new Domane has 32mm-wide ones as standard equipment, 
with Trek’s official blessing for tires up to 38mm-wide front and rear. When 
fenders are installed to the neatly hidden mounts, that figure creeps down to a 
still-generous 35mm."  Hmm, sounds an awful lot like the spec for the 2003 
Rambouillet :)  Mine came with 32mm rubber and can take up to 1 1/2" too!.  
That Grant, such a trailblazer!

Tailwinds,

Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Organized Rides 2020

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RUSA is re-starting with 200K rides in July.  I ran a 100/200/300K ride this 
past Saturday without incident, using staggered times.  Our Montgomery annual 
century is still on in October. It has 30, 62, 100 and 124 mi options.

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[RBW] Re: Brake lever preference with Nitto Noodles

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I'd try the TRP levers because they LOOK comfy, but I have the Tektro levers 
and they ARE comfy.  Also reasonably priced.  Have the same added quick release 
clearance.

https://blueskycycling.com/products/tektro-rl340-road-braket-levers-pair

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[RBW] Photos of my Roadeo, set up for brevets

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Nice bike Paul.   I built a wheelset from Velocity rims and those Shimano 105 
hubs and have been very happy with them.

Bruce

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[RBW] Friction Shifting 9-10s Question

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Friction shifting lets me swap wheel sets around like nobody's business as I 
have 6, 8 and 9 speed set ups among 4 bikes.  I find wen I am very tired, that 
my lever control is less precise and I am more likely to ghost shift. I have a 
quick talk with myself and then get the chain properly seated in whatever gear 
is needed. It seems to happen less on my DT shifting bikes than bar enders.

Bruce

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[RBW] 650b tires for 47 cm Roadini

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The Continental Contact Speed is available as 650B x 32.  Blackwall only. 
(English supply)  Hutchison Confriere is also 650B x 32 and has a gray sidewall 
(French sellers).  Grand Bois Cypres 650B x 32 is available with a tan wall.  
(from Japan or from Berthoud).   You can also ask on the 650B list and hunt 
Craigs or Ebay lists. 

Soma B-Line (or Express if you find some around) all are listed as 38 but run 
36 on my bike.  Instead of Nifty Swifty, which has wire bead, you might see if 
you can get Maxy Fasty with fevlar.  It's 33.4 mmm Tan sidewalls.

Bruce (26" & 650B only!)in Alabama

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Re: [RBW] Lighten Up: Clem Edition

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leah wrote:

"But I had these battery lights. The rechargeable Cygolite is just the worst. 
It would start flickering, threatening to die on me after only 45 minutes of 
use. I hate it. Plus, it’s taking up real estate on my already crowded bars. I 
will say my rack light that is battery operated is ok, but it’s cheap plastic 
and I’m pretty sure if I bump it into anything it’s going to shatter. Well, the 
thrill of those night rides was being impeded by the fear of running out of 
battery and being stranded without light. Not the end of the world on my 
well-lit MUP up Killer Hill but a total deal breaker for when I’m in the bike 
lane on the street."

Peter White Cycles (https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/lightingsystems.php) is 
really the place to look for solid lighting, both battery and generator style. 
My 1st good light was an Ixon IQ from there many years ago.  I like Dinotte 
lights best personally, in the battery style. Their proprietary rechargeable 
units go a long time and are very bright. Even their older stuff is good.  I 
bought an old Dinotte headlamp from Eric "Campy Only" on this list a while 
back. It uses 4 AA cells.  I ordered 2900 ma rechargeable batteries and a 
couple of extra AA holders. I can swap out on long rides, but on a typical 1 
1/2 to 2 hr ride don't need to.  Generator hubs are now available with very low 
friction drag. You can also use a solar power set up on one of your racks to 
run/charge.

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[RBW] Re: Advice on Crankset for Roadini Preorder

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I think one of the prettiest cranksets around is the Sugino Mighty Tour in 
polished silver. (https://www.suginoltd.co.jp/us/products/touring/mighty.html). 
 For less money, there are nice offerings by Velo Orange and IRD.  I would do a 
gear inch chart and see what different ring and cog combos give you before 
settling on which ones you opt for. Even without big hills to climb, allow for 
days when you just are outta gas or facing a PITA headwind on the way back home.

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Re: [RBW] Crash Stories

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My only cycling injury was a crash casued by a dog racing out silently from 
under a hedge at right angle to my direction of travel.  I picked him up to 
late to avoid and he got in front of my front wheel. I hit him and he scurried 
away, and I hit the asphalt gaining a hip pointer for myself. No cell coverage, 
solo riding, and the leg with the impact didn't work. I used the bike as a 
crutch to get upright after checking for blood & breaks, and dipped it low to 
get my foot over the TT. Then I clipped the good foot in and one legged it 7 
miles back to the car. Still my proudest achievement on a bike!. I was afraid 
to call my wife and tell her I'd been hurt so I waited till I made it home and 
could not get OUT of the car to call her from the garage. She was an angel and 
helped without recrimination.   Since then I have had a couple other dog or 
other crash issues but I have tucked and rolled and bounced up un damaged.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

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Eric:

  Jim deleted the parent thread to this post and asked that we stop it.  Please 
do.

  Thanks

 Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

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As a RUSA RBA, my events are still on, and I have reminded riders about social 
distance, no snot rockets, don't come if you have a cough or are sneezing etc.  
As ride committee chair for our local bike club, our rides are still on, same 
rules.  The # of riders is not large on any given outing. We did postpone all 
club meetings, where groups of people would be sitting in a closed space 
together. Bicycling Magazine had some input on riding in the current situation 
which may be of interest:
https://www.bicycling.com/news/a31469228/cycling-during-coronavirus/

The science of Covid-19 is incomplete, even as researchers in many places rush 
to gain traction in this area. I track the daily case #s 
(https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
 and while the new case curve has flattened in China, it is climbing elsewhere. 
The current data shows a much more lethal disease than influenza, and less so 
than SARS (also a corona virus family disease) but more contagious than either. 
All the public data is also incomplete because testing is far from universal. 
As I write this for example, 7.7% of the resolved cases resulted in death. If 
you are not exposed to the virus, you won't get sick with it. Pretty simple. If 
you have the virus, and you don't expose anyone else, they won't get sick 
either. Scientists and non-scientists can agree on that much. Stockpiles of 
toilet paper will not help. Avoiding panic will help. The CDC guidelines are 
helpful and we should pay attention. The more we curtail our exposure, remember 
to wash our hands and not touch our faces after touching something else, the 
less Covid-19 will spread. 

Repeating false but inflammatory FaceBook memes or trying to make other 
non-related philosophical/political points is counter productive.  The virus 
doesn't care what your politics, social status, religion, or anything else is.  
Working in coordination will be more helpful than bickering about it.

Tailwinds!

Bruce

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[RBW] 650b clearance on Rambouillet?

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The spec is a max tire size of 700 x 37 (without fender). So going to 650B will 
increase that, but I don't know by how much.  Another point of possible 
interest is the rear dropouts are spaced at 132.5 so you can use a 130 road or 
a 135 mountain hub easily.

tailwinds

Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

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BBDG comments that "if sidewalks are clear, I'll use them." This is a valid 
option for her most of the time:
"Nevada permits bicycles to ride on the street and also on most sidewalks 
except in certain large municipal areas with local regulations. To accommodate 
cyclists, cars are required, on single-lane roads, to move over at least three 
feet from a cyclist."
My comment that seems to set off this sidewalk sidebar (my state does not allow 
bikes on sidewalks) was only to say that I don't have that option. Cyclists and 
motor vehicle drivers should both follow traffic laws.  Back to my advice to 
the OP, he should not ride where he is not comfortable about it. My RUSA region 
held a 200K yesterday on a rail-trail and people loved it. I am not against off 
highway riding at all. I'm just flexible.  I rode 51 miles on a US highway 
yesterday with 5 others to route test an upcoming event. It was great. Except 
for the rain, overcast, wind, and some hills :)  Riv content: I rode my '95 
pre-production sample of the Rivendell Road.

YMMV

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[RBW] Thinking about cycling for me in the future....

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Paul:

I'm the same age as you are. My desire to ride ebbs and flows over time. I'm 
enjoying more these days than I have in a while, but I can relate to not 
feeling like a ride. You might enjoy working on bikes to stay around them, if 
you refer not to ride them. As part of our club local outreach committee, I do 
free bike service on bikes of folks who can't afford to pay for it at a shop, 
including servicing donated bikes that we re-home. Last night, I chased a creak 
on my own Rivendell and ended up swapping out the BB. It was as enjoyable to me 
as a ride.

Cycling remains statistically pretty safe. About 800 cyclists are killed on US 
roads in a year, vs about 36,000 motor vehicle occupants. If you do have an 
incident on a bike, it is likely to hurt more than a non fatal car collision 
though. It's the rider's choice to make and your choice is valid no matter 
which it is, ride or not ride.  I love the road, am closing in on 60,000 miles. 
 Only injury was dog related back in 2006. I avoid roads with danger zones, or 
bad traffic patterns. I make eye contact.  I ride with a mirror, lights and a 
loud bell.  I don't attempt routes that my body is no longer sturdy enough to 
stay in control on. (big climbs, high winds) I make a ride plan based on my 
pace these days, not "back in the day."

Whether you ride or not, tailwinds to you.

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Re: [RBW] Re: shipbikes.com vs. bikeflights.com

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Or, it could be that they're holding your package for the drug sniffing dogs. :)

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[RBW] Re: 2019 stats? Post'em if ya got'em

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3833 road miles plus some neighborhood noodling that doesn't get logged. 
renovelo-ed the Rambouillet (bought new at RBW in 2006) as an upright townie 
and the Road as a light racy short brevet bike. Both are smashing successes. 
About 1,000 miles each on the Riv Road (frame came from this list in 2008 or 9) 
and Waterford RS-12 (frame came from this list in 2018). About 900 on an '83 
Maruishi made 650B conversion (bike came from this list in 2008, can you sense 
a pattern here?) and 777 on the Ram. Over 56K miles since realizing in 2001 as 
an out of shape and overweight adult that I needed to get off the couch. Best 
by far has been the friendships forged all over the region where I live and 
seeing the power of a bike to draw diverse people together over a shared love 
and find out that no matter who they are, they have other shared interests to 
talk about.

Next big thing is the Selma55 ride 2/22/20. I co-organized the ride 5 yrs ago 
for Selma50, and am a helper this year. People from all over the US are coming, 
and there are lots of come-ups to handle. 2019 was a good year for our RUSA 
region and we look for growth in 2020, including a new 600K route that I think 
will be very popular. Our 1st 100 & 200 rides are this Saturday so no time lost 
in that area. 

Riding 50 miles on wet roads and coming back all sand splattered on Saturday 
finally got me started on installing some smooth and shiny Honjos that have 
been in the box in the attic for God only knows how long.

Wishing all my fellow Riv-sters a happy and healthy 2020, and lots of bike time.

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[RBW] Re: Christmas Rivendells

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Weth;

 What a great Christmas story. Bless you for your gracious care for your friend.

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

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I have the original tan, 2nd generation tan and then the 3rd generation blue.  
The original nylon was lighter and better for hot days. The later stuff is 
better for cooler days. None are good for spirited riding. They don't do sweat 
well. I wear them for easy Sunday social club rides or causal rides to town for 
coffee, lunch, vet supply pick up for my critters, a haircut, etc. They work 
GREAT for that.  The Riv shorts OTOH are okay for hard riding in warmer 
weather. I have both the original butternut and the boosucker. The boosucker is 
the bomb but came and went very quickly.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

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I've found bikes to be bridge builders. Bikes don't care about your politics, 
philosophy or faith. You just get on them and ride. Most people love riding, 
regardless of the other boxes in life they check. I don't eat paleo, does that 
mean I shouldn't buy a Riv because GP eats that way? Of course not. I've used 
my role as a rides admin for several cycling groups to broaden the range of 
riders who get together to ride. My observation is that people who ride 
together accept one another's differences better. Some even become friends. 
Those relationships established while pedaling can continue off the bike as 
well. When you talk with people instead of at them, you learn about them and 
their experiences and they do yours. 

People tend to generalize but there are usually exceptions to every broad brush 
we try to paint. Almost nothing that we think is absolutely true and 
desperately important really is either of those things, although there are many 
true topics that are important for us to consider and act on. And it never 
hurts to be kind, even when being firm.

I personally know Riv owners on both sides of the liberal/conservative divide 
and who agree on well designed, great riding bikes. I hope to meet more.

And let's NOT post something that is going to unavoidably and predictably be 
political.  JB, the testimony in DC did not include any comments on lugs or 
debate on long chainstays, so it really isn't relevant here. Does she post 
here? I don't think so. Still own that bike? Who knows. 

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[RBW] Thin Gripster alternatives?

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I have really liked these. Distribute pressure well. The pins are rounded and 
don't mar my shoes. They are very light. Very reasonably priced.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07T4SQCJ8?psc=1=ppx_pop_dt_b_product_details

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[RBW] Drivetrain Hack

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Nice looking bike John.  I used that CX-50 to build a New Albion Starling for a 
relative and it is smooth unit, intended for cyclocross so very tough. I need a 
lower gear than you because I have weak old legs.  I put a Salsa 26 in place of 
the stock Campy 30 on a triple and went with an 11-36 rear 9 speed on 
105/Synergy wheels I built. 26/36 works for me when going up long grades that I 
otherwise would climb more quickly in a taller gear, and when I need to get up 
a real wall of a hill. The Clem I just assembled for a friend has a 46/34/24 
with that same 11-36 rear. It works well too.  I friction shift.  I’ve avoided 
40 in back because it starts to get kind of heavy.  Even the 36 is noticeably 
heavier than the 34 or 32 that I run on other bikes.   

Happy trails to you! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Tale of Two Clems

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The wheelbase of the new 59cm Clem I assembled yesterday is 130 cm.  That's 
looong.

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