On 12/17/2006 silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:
From: Lynn, Stan
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 11:59 PM
Subject: CSeye floaters
Anyone with eye floaters may want to try the Godzilla. I had them in
the past and used the Godzilla for my sinus problem and
In recently reading and
investigating the blood type diet info, I was
extremely dismayed to find that it buys into the "saturated fats
are
bad, and vegetable oils are good" myth, which is having such
devastating health consequences. Plus it recommends soy and soy
milk
as good foods,
PS: Get a good juicing machine (I have an Olympic) and give her a
couple of pints of fresh fruit and vegetable juices a day,
Major caveat here - if she is diabetic, juices - especially juice with
high sugar content - is *not* a good idea, at least until she gets her
blood sugar levels under
Where do you think all those nutrients in meat to come from? They ALL
come from vegetables. The meat you are feeding those dogs is made
from vegetarians animals, who have synthesized all of it from the
vegetable foods they eat.
Yes - and their digestive systems are *designed* to do this,
On 8/11/2007, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
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Hi, I have tried the apple cider vinegar idea now
Hi Ruth,
Glad to hear it...
Which brand did you try?
An 8th of a teaspoon is not very much, and in my experience would not be
enough to work very well,
Hi Ruth,
But you didn't answer my first (and very important) question...
What brand did you try?
I know that 1/8 tsp is not very much, but with my particular problems
I have to go easy with new things.
Let me ask you something Ruth...
If you do not try enough - at a minimum, the
The only problem that exists is that some bogus ISP's will allow you
to SEND out only on their mail server. You can pick up mail from a
hundred different mail servers. But cannot send to the others.
This is nothing wrong with your local setup. Just the BOGUS ISP.
Hi Wayne,
If I'm reading
If I'm reading you right, what you are talking about here is the
fact that most ISP's now block port 25 by default, making it
impossible to set up an additional outbound (smtp) server on any
network that doesn't belong to the ISP.
You may be 100% technically correct. That sounds a little
I have had this. Someone pretending to be PayPal asking for my
details. The trouble is, it is so hard to report such things! Also,
I keep getting greetings card spammers and no matter how much I block
and bounce them, they keep coming under different headers. Dee
You cannot block them
Hey Wayne,
I got a strange message, and I wondered if you sent it.
( or caused it to happen ) I think you could do it. grin
Yep - I started to actually send a message impersonating you to *this*
list to demonstrate my point, but decided to just send a message that I
knew would generate a
A situation has arisen. Wife has a vaginal infection. Feels to her to
be identical to last one a few years ago that was identified as E.
Coli. She says it's not yeast, not Urinary Tract, and not kidney.
The absolute, bar none, hands down best thing a woman could ever do for
herself - aside
What we've done: I mixed Colloidal Silver, made it into Goldenseal
tea, added MSM, DMSO and iodine, (this is the same basic solution
that finally nixed my very aggravating hot-weather-only eye
infection) and she used it as a douche, four times a day for 2-3 days
now.
Also, be aware - regular
I have come not to doubt that. It's just that $2000.00 is never handy
when I need it, and when I do have it, nothing is wrong enough to
make me want to buy the unit. So far we've done extraordinarily well
with many low expense treatements for many things, but I know, we
have got to bite the
Please, what is/are cfids?
sigh
Google is still your friend...
For those with broken fingers:
http://tinyurl.com/ysbwqk=
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Look into personal health, swimming pool and hot tub water
ozonators..around $50-$80.
Not even *close* to the same thing, Ode.
These will all use ambient air, and have nitrogen oxides mixed with the
O3...
Now, a chemistry question... what happens when nitrogen oxide comes into
contact with
You need medical grade oxygen too, except there's no difference but
the price between that and welders oxygen.
True enough... but only because it is cheaper to just have one delivery
system (with the medical grade filters) than two, and fill both types
from the same one.
So, tell me,
Look into personal health, swimming pool and hot tub water
ozonators..around $50-$80.
Not even *close* to the same thing, Ode.
These will all use ambient air, and have nitrogen oxides mixed with
the O3...
Now, a chemistry question... what happens when nitrogen oxide comes
into contact
The simple honey wash (Ronald Bessley, White Lodge, England) is one
method, easily self-done, cheap and with excellent results.
Sorry, Faith, but your comment doesn't compute with respect to the post
you were quoting...
The 'honey wash' is one method for what, exactly?
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Wayne :
I want to thank you very much for the info at =
http://www.miraclemineral.org/
This is nothing more than any one of a dozen different 'stabilized
oxygen' products... aka 'chlorine dioxide'.
There is a huge debate about whether it produces any benefits or not.
Most people say not. I
Morning Simon,
Mornin Wayne... :)
The fact that most of the products sold are MLM based is the
biggest red flag for me - but there are some people whose opinion I
value that say it worked for them...
MLM anything is suspicious. I know some of the MLM products are
good.
Yes - but most
I can feed pure oxygen to *any* ozone generator. It's just plumbing,
no big deal.
Is it physically possible? Sure. But most would not have the proper
tools, or requisite skill. That is what you pay for - that, and a
lifetime, fully transferable warranty.
To suggest that a generator using
From everything I've read about it, I'd stay far away from it,
unless/until some real, genuine science shows that it can be safe.
No time to comment on everything, but I will in due time.
Your statement above sounds like the mainstream.
Just because science *can* be perverted, doesn't mean
This is admittedly one are where my knowledge is lacking, so hopefully
someone else with more knowledge will chime in...
The best form of iodine that I have found, thanks to 'ransley' (thank
you sir!) on another list, is something called magnascent. It is much
more potent and bio-available than
It's the difference between gasoline and alcohol fuels that's being
made out to be the difference between cars.
No, its the difference between an electric car and a gasoline powered car.
The tubes, etc are DIFFERENT between a cold plasma and a UV ozone generator.
THEY ARE DIFFERENT. Repeat
As in: This O3 is different than that O3because it doesn't
have NOX products and byproducts mixed in it.
Well DUH! That's an entirely different subject. The O3 is
exactly the same.
Ode, this is getting tiring...
I NEVER SAID THE OZONE WAS DIFFERENT, AND YOU KNOW IT.
If there is
Let's see if maybe Ken, Charles, Wayne and Simon and whomever else is
participating in the ozone generator debate, the miracle mineral
thread, and whatever other nitpicking festivals that're going on can
please retire those topics before you drive everybody crazy?
I'm happy to, as long as
I have never heard of Magnascent; can you tell me a little about it
and what it is for and if a Magnesium derivitive? I am using Iodine
and CS and taking Magnesium Chloride. I just know that goiter is much
smaller now so must be doing something right for a change.
www.magnascent.com
Click
It must be neutralized. Nothing in the body is designed to do
OK fine Wayne maybe this will be worded better for you:
to our body the digestive enzyme is a
poison of types...other wise there would not be a reaction. And to me
neutralizing a bite reaction is the same as drawing it out.
Of
I have never heard of Magnascent; can you tell me a little about
it and what it is for and if a Magnesium derivitive? I am using
Iodine and CS and taking Magnesium Chloride. I just know that goiter is
much smaller now so must be doing something right for a change.
www.magnascent.com
I
So is it possible that someone could answer my question as to whether
stabilised oxygen products are worth buying or not, or does no-one
know? Thank you. Dee
I already did - in my opinion, no, they are a bunko rip off scam.
But I also said that I have 1 person whose opinion I value that
So, how much is a decent ozone generator ? 500, 1000 or more ?
I realize the controls and instrumentation can be a cost factor.
It all depends on the use...
If all you want to do is ozonate water for drinking purposes, one of the
cheaper ($150-$400 or so) units is fine...
If you want to
I have an Aranizer that works pretty good for indoor spaces. It does
kill molds, I even de-toxified a closet from toxic mold so I could
work on the plumbing. Before I put the machine in there I could not
touch the pipes- I started getting a toxic mold reaction. I ran it
for 2 hours in the
It might be interesting to apply the MMS (activated chlorine dioxide)
with some DMSO on these bites. It is supposed to combine with and
neutralize toxins, etc...
I should have said, activated sodium chlorite.
See what I mean - this stuff just reeks of SCAM
They claim it is 'chlorine
Simon, It's obvious you haven't read the book.
I read the web site - it seemed to be enough. The stuff is called
'Chlorine Dioxide'. It says so right on the web page.
I have read so many different 'Here's the MIRACLE XYZ OF ALL DANG TIME'
so many times, it just gives me a headache.
Can someone please change me e-mail address for me?
Managing your mail list subscriptions is your job...
That said - why not get a free 'public' email address, like gmail (or
even yahoo or something), so you don't have to change your email address
every time you change ISP (Internet Service
If you can figure out how to paste this into the browser
http://www.tinyurl.com is your friend...
Turns those monsters into:
http://tinyurl.com/ywkdue
and
http://tinyurl.com/2bzaqb
respectively...
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Please follow my logic, not only on this, on everything.
Sometimes your 'logic' is fairly incomprehensible - but you're not
nearly as bad as Ode... ;)
So, you judge a product or combination thereof, on what it is,
And not what it does.
Where in the world did you learn that method
I have been aware of sodium chlorite/sodium hypochlorite - and all
of its other 'names' it is known, ther main one being 'stabilized
oxygen' - 'products' for many years - with one MLM machine after
another peddling it as a 'new', 'breakthrough miracle cure' - in
fact, the marketing materials
On March 11, 1999, the Federal Trade Commission filed suit charging
Rose Creek Health Products, Inc., of Kettle Falls,
Surely no one puts much emphasis on what they do, One way or the
other.
Some people do... the problem is, even a broken (old fashioned
mechanical) clock is right twice a
Wouldn't taking hydrogen peroxide orally be the most affordable way
to increase oxygen?
Very little - if any - winds up in the blood, and it is too caustic to
take large doses for any length of time...
And, why do you say that breathing oxygen wouldn't increase oxygen in
the blood? Seems
There are two known ways to increase tissue/blood oxygenation levels
-
hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and ozone therapy.
Some alternative type MDs have been advocating a method with the
fancy name of EWOT (Exercise With Oxygen Therapy) which is merely
breathing an increased concentration of
This was due to someone who was claiming that chlorine dioxide is the
same thing as sodium hypochlorite, which is bleach.
That is NOT what I said - I said it *appears* that it gets *converted*
to this at some point - but again - I made it very clear that this was
just based on a cursory
I think Ode's Brain is getting heavily oxygenated by absorption
through the ethers regarding the topic of MMS. He is racking up the
points today.
Heh - you two must be from the same planet...
His drug-induced-stupor-like ramblings are about as coherent as what
might emanate from some
There are two known ways to increase tissue/blood oxygenation levels
-
hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and ozone therapy.
Some alternative type MDs have been advocating a method with the
fancy name of EWOT (Exercise With Oxygen Therapy) which is merely
breathing an increased concentration of
Michael Moore is one of my heros. Period, the end, Amen.
He's an opportunistic, lying schmuck... who uses half-truths to promote
any controversial topic of the day in order to make money.
'Sicko' is promoting Socialist Health Care, rather than health FREEDOM
from the
Wayne said:
I noticed one major improvement in 4 hours, same time interval it
takes to kill malaria. that is interesting.
Second day it was 50 % gone and the 3 day the ailment was 95 % gone,
all on 5 drops per day. Relatively powerful I would say.
Which supports a comment I made in an
nutso/freak, but he is a great Sci-Fi writer ('Battlefield Earth'
is probably one of my all time favorite books - but the movie
royally sucked pond-scum water),
Gee, I read the series and enjoyed the movie, too.
A movie can never capture all the ins and outs of a complicated book
series, but
Anybody treat this successfully without antibiotics? My better half
has an exacerbation, pretty badly. Not inclinded to take the CS, but
I am not sure it would work that far down in the system anyway.
The source of the problem is lifestyle - but the symptoms can be dealt
with using Dr S's
As time goes by, I have grown more and more attracted to individuals
and groups that are able to see -- and accept -- just how bad things
are, yet still strive for constructive solutions.
There's one interesting group in the USA called Sustainable Community
Development. If I were living on
It seems that the copyright notice is pretty telling on the book. It
basically says that the book becomes public domain and can be
published by anyone for free or for profit if the author is jailed,
imprisoned, murdered or turns up missing for over a month. It
certainly sounds like at least
Which supports a comment I made in an earlier post I made wherein I
pointed out this excerpt from one of the authoritative links I had
posted earlier:
This was obviously posted by an impersonator working for the Dept of
redundancy Dept...
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Magnesium is one of the main minerals for a healthy
heart. Doctors will even give a magnesium shot when
one is having a heart attack. Orotates work best.
This is a big (but not the only) reason that cayenne is so good for the
heart - it is very high in magnesium...
Interesting anecdote...
Dr s ?
Heh - sorry, my fingers must have spas'd...
Dr (Richard) Schulze (www.800herbdoc.com)...
I use a combination of his (formula #1), Arise-n-Shine (chomper herbs),
Natures First Food (with lots of added Chlorella) and my own
clay/charcoal slurry when cleansing internally...
But I love
Does anyone have the recipe for a charcoal slurry? I would like to
keep on file. Thanks, Jess
I generally just use a 1:1 mixture (calcium bentonite)...
Best source for clay info:
www.eytonsearth.org
I don't have a current source for a good quality activated charcoal - I
bought a 5 gallon
Hi Wayne: One problem may be that the list gets posted under
misleading headings, like the one I am using to reply to you (re:
CSRosemary Jacobs, get the file).
I mention this because I have saved the list a few times and I can't
find it again unless I want to plow through all the messages
There was a quote on here about being skeptical without knowing the
facts.
9,999 times out of 10,000, being skeptical of something *like this* -
with the kind of claims that this product was making - is not only
reasonable, it is wise, and in the end, justified.
The way I would word it is:
I leave my raw milk on top of the refrigerator where it's the
warmest. Makes Buttermilk much faster there. I prefer the
buttermilk.
Thats the main physical difference between raw milk and
pasteurized/homegenized...
Raw milk will just go sour, and will in fact be very healthy...
Dead
I've been able to take 9000 HU cayenne in a smoothie (heaping
teaspoon) and just notice that it's spicy.
I'm assuming you meant 90,000, not 9,000 (which is nothing)...
Dr Schulze describes stopping many heart attacks in their tracks using a
potent cayenne tincture just as Carlos described...
Anyone who would just run out and buy this stuff and take it after
a simple reading of the claims made by someone posting to an email
list is an ignorant fool, and has probably fallen for every new
scam product to hit the shelves and/or the internet in the last 10
years.
I'd just augment this
Out of 50 mails I've seen almost no actual information whatsoever,
apart from one about buttermilk on top of the fridge.
Similarly, if it's a matter of personally thanking someone, then send
the message to them not to the list.
If you want a member to tell you where they shop, ask them
Dee, why bother to try to cultivate a taste for stuff your body may
not really want? Just eat the things you like and that agree with
you.
Well said.
I think that depends... Mike already made my point for me... just going
by superficial 'desire' and 'taste' would get most people to the
Sounds like the electricity itself is producing a cure...
Actually - there are electircal properties to colloidal silver.
Saul Pressman is also convinced that ozone is simply one method to get
'electricity' into the body, and it is actually 'electricity' that works
the magic, not the extra
Without some one testing a product, how can anyone know it's
effectiveness. So a few of us foolish folks will buy some and give
it the acid test.
since I'm the only one I recall accusing anyone of 'being foolish', I'll
assume this is aimed at me...
Why did you take it so personal Ed?
Do
It seems likely that the body produces cholesterol to heal itself,
so in my opinion, it is best left alone, and certainly not take
medications to lower it.
Absolutley,the whole chlosterol thing was based upon early
misinterpretations, and competitive food industry advertising. The
best
Ed,
Since you refuse to provide any context for your responses, you continue
to force others to guess at whoa dn what you are replying to...
You did notice that I added an identity at the end.
Yes - that is why I IDentified you as 'Ed'...
Your opinionated presentation of a chip on my
On the subject of pesticides and chemicals, I really see the need,
but wish they could all be safe for us. When I was 11, I was eating
a peach, which then fell open and in the pit was a ball of sqirming
worms. Uncle Mac's corn had a big fat worm inside 75% of the husks.
I HATE worms! I
Okay, I am officially taking umbrage at the insistence of some poor
dears here that medicine in particular and biology in general can
really be called science.
What else would you call them?
Physics... that's science in theory, sometimes in practice
Chemistry...that is science in both ways
I believe you could. However book two indicates that citric acid
alone is the best thing to use. It is available from any health food
store, or in the canning sections of most grocery stores.
Hmmm.. for the chemists out there - could I use my trusty l-ascorbic
acid instead of citric acid?
Saul Pressman is also convinced that ozone is simply one method to
get 'electricity' into the body, and it is actually 'electricity'
that works the magic, not the extra oxygen atom.
You are looking at two sides of the same coin. The oxygen atom
provides the means to strip off the electrons
I believe you could. However book two indicates that citric acid alone
is the best thing to use. It is available from any health food store,
or in the canning sections of most grocery stores.
Hmmm.. for the chemists out there - could I use my trusty l-ascorbic
acid instead of citric acid?
Science is supposed to simply be the organized, systematic search
for truth, regardless of the field in which it is practiced.
Observation perhaps, rather than Truth.
Nah - truth is precisely the word I was looking for...
Most if not all of the problems with respect to science stem from
Yes, you have to indoctrinate your children if you want them to act
the same way you do...
Not buying meat and feeding it to my children is indoctrination?
It is to someone who believes that animal products - including meat -
are an essential part of the diet.
But this issue is not quite
Question: Can one use Bragg's apple cider vinegar for
the vinegar with the MMS everybody has been talking
about in place of the white vinegar? And, yes, I put
my order in. Decided to give it a try.
I don't think so. I am not familiar with Bragg's, but most apple
cider around here is
Now, if you said that it is healthier *for* *you* to eat only
vegetarian
- well, I'd be more than happy to take you at your word.
I can't say it is healthier for me, I only believe it is.
Well if you can't even say it is healthier for *you*, what makes you
think anyone should listen to you
Your question is a bit hard to answer. Of course they could be
organic, and certainly will be beneficial to some degree.
This is not to say that is the best. ( pasteurized that is )
Homogenization is just as much responsible for the unhealthy aspects of
processed milk as pasteurization...
Example. one blueberry grower had 3 college degrees.
Everybody, including the people from the Blueberry Research center
admitted I beat the socks off him growing blueberries.
They even said, Nowhere, under any conditions, had they seen any
blue berry plants grow like mine.
They tell
And the major problem? Centralised governments, at a distance from
the people, disempowered local chiefs/councils, World Bank, Green
Revolution, and forces of cultural erosion, like mass tourism. Most
important is the mocking of their taboos and rituals, which generally
associated with local
Now, if you said that it is healthier *for* *you* to eat only
vegetarian - well, I'd be more than happy to take you at your word.
I'm certainly not saying that some people cannot thrive on a
vegatarian diet, because some can. Sadly, this doesn't hold true
for everyone - or even most people.
Well, I suppose you could call biology a sort of soft science- there
are just way too many variables and unknowns when dealing with living
things.
? Science *deals* with the unknown - otherwise there would be no need
for experimentation and discovery... so I'm baffled by the suggestion
that
But what if this is *not* a herx and it is your body telling you it
is unwell? Dee
I've enjoyed (?) a lot of herxes in the last few years. All I can
tell you is that this is identical, but man-oh-man can this stuff
ever throw you into one doozy of a herx. I had a lolapalooza of one
yesterday
To me this would mean that this is not good for me, and I would stop
taking
it.
Then you are doing yourself a disservice, as for many conditions, in
order to fully detox at a rate whereby you will experience zero detox
symptoms (of course, this doesn't count if you're using something like
Will you share your recipe, please?
Thought I already had, but there's really nothing to it...
1:1 clay:charcoal ratio, so 2-4 teaspoons (of ea) in 8oz of pure water...
Adjust according to your own needs/wants, it isn't a big deal...
The only three things to be aware of:
1. the more you
John Plumridge, on 9/8/2007 5:31 PM, said the following:
Switched this thread to silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com and re-labelled
meat and veg. OK?
Ok - but I'm on enough lists as it is (25+ and counting - most work
related), so I won't be there, sorry...
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Benefits of Vitamin C supplements are dubious.
Hardly...
You've no ground beneath you on this one... intravenous C has been
studied many times, and the resultas are always the same (to the chagrin
of the pharmas)...
And the benefits of mega-doses of pure l-ascorbic acid have been
Whatever I find has some semblance of quality and reasonably priced.
From pure Ascorbic Acid to time released.
The 'timed' released and 'buffered' versions of ascorbic acid are not
recommended...
Just be sure it is pure, pharmaceutical grade L-ascorbic acid (the L is
important)...
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Thanks, Jodi for pointing to a difference between Vit C (Ascorbic
Acid which is Synthetic) and Vit C (Natural as in Rose Hips or
Acerola Cherry).
Ascorbic acid is ascorbic acid.
Linus Pauling took and recommended pure ascorbic acid - NOT 'rose hips'.
I'm not saying rose hips are bad, or that
How about some product or supplier recommendations?
I already did for the clay:
http://www.eytonsearth.org
Specifically:
http://tinyurl.com/yu5el7
As for the charcoal, I bought a bunch a long time ago, so don't have a
ready source for bulk... google is your friend - this looks like a
fresh lemon and orange juice from the garden should do it , no ?
For those living in a climate where they grow naturally, absolutely.
Fresh lemon juice (please don't ruin it by putting sugar in it) is
probably the best source of naturally occurring electrolytes there is.
I've been seriously
My friend who has congestive heart failure was prescribed a
pharmaceutical version of potassium. I just take high doses of the
kind I can get at Walmart and my blood pressure has dropped 50
points.
Anyone with any kind of heart of circulatory problem should seriously do
themselves a favor and
are always the same
which are?
I really do appreciate people who trim their posts - but you also need
to include enough of the relevant part of what you are replying to to
maintain context.
I have no idea what you are referring to here and don't have the time to
go back and dig it
Thank you.
Faith
Hi Faith,
rant
I have been biting my tongue for a while, but Mike doesn't seem inclined
to say something so even though I'm not the moderator, I will.
It is very irritating to see post after post from you saying 'thanks'...
Please, if you want to thank someone, that does
right now I have an 8.8oz bottle of Solgar Vitamin C crystals - pure
L-Ascorbic Acid. 1/4 tsp - 1125 mg.
Sounds about right...
I take about a level teaspone. Which I buffer with some baking soda.
Why? There is no need, according to those far more knowledgeable than
myself - my
19 yrs ago there was a woman who after her pregnancy suddenly found
herself craving anything that had Vitamin C.
Excellent. And if another cancer patient craves carrots then eat
carrots.
And if another cancer patient craves gummy bears then eat - gummy bears?
Cravings are not always
proper dosage would make it safe
As I said earlier our bodies maintain balance. If you want to do it
as well, you'd need to monitor your blood every hour. It is the form
of what we eat, which compromised uptake of nutrients, in the mouth,
in the gut and in the blood isn't it?
On this
This is from Life Extension Foundation (lef.org)
I'd avoid anything from them... they are extremely oriented around
drug-like methodologies...
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What does the L stand for and where to you buy yours from? Thank in
advance.
It is simply a way of telling the different forms apart, but you needn't
worry much - pretty mich anything sold as 'vitamin c' is l-ascorbic
acid. Be more worried about impurities that may be hyped by marketing
Hi Diane,
We are new to the group and cs but have a question I was hoping
someone could answer. My husband and I have just recently been
introduced to cs and have ordered a generator (silverpuppy) to make
our own.
Don't own this one but from everything I've read it is an excellent one...
And what about the ozone generators used in hot tubs, would they
generate harmful levels of ozone or of nitric or nitrous oxides and
whatever compounds they would form with water?
Not a problem - you can use a cheap ozone generator for ozonating
pools/hot tubs with no problems.
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(And in a few minutes, Simon (Charles) will read my last post, and
hopefully take a couple of clues from it for himself, as well as some
satisfaction that I agree with him. LOL)
Heh... yes, I tend to catch up on email early in the morning... usually
I compose my replies, but wait until I'm
This may (or may not) help with those of y'all concerned with
cholesterol. Hope it helps!
snip
Naah... the whole cholesterol scare is pure FUD created by
pharmaceutical companies for the sole purpose of selling
worse-than-worthless (because they are very dangerous and bad for you)
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