Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Emilio Hernandez
Autodesk tried to kill Softimage right from the beggining. Since the very first time Softimage never showed up in the front page of their website. All they showed up was Maya and MAX. Never gave the deserved attention and right branding/marketing. You never put enough attention and effort on

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Mirko Jankovic
Best one was: We can't sell it because of all intellectual property. LOL Ok, remove CUBE and remove freely mental ray. HQV?? remove it please Logo? Remove... what else.. hmm the rest are 3rd party developed things so.. Would be really nice if someone with free time could collect all feature

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Mirko Jankovic
btw I'm aware that after buying SI everything in it becomes AD IP but... oh well On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.comwrote: Best one was: We can't sell it because of all intellectual property. LOL Ok, remove CUBE and remove freely mental ray. HQV??

RE: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Nick Angus
My favourite email so far, you absolutely nailed it Emilio. N From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2014 6:27 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Listening Autodesk

Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan

2014-03-08 Thread Leendert A. Hartog
Hi, mr. Patel, Thanks for the update, but it raises another question: (If this is a stupid question: sorry, I'm having a hard time processing all this ATM.) Two quotes... From the OP: /Based on your feedback we will be adding the ability to continue to access Softimage indefinitely with

Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Chris Marshall
I couldn't agree more On Friday, 7 March 2014, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Looking at things from another angle I am concerned with the whole decision because I don't understand it, abandoning Softimage seems such a bad decision... Can I ask you how many developers were working

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Oliver Weingarten
Nothing to add to this...it says it all, great post, Emilio!! Am 08.03.2014 09:27, schrieb Emilio Hernandez: Autodesk tried to kill Softimage right from the beggining. Since the very first time Softimage never showed up in the front page of their website. All they showed up was Maya and MAX.

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Octavian Ureche
That pretty much says it all. Very well put, Emilio. On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Oliver Weingarten li...@pixelpanic.dewrote: Nothing to add to this...it says it all, great post, Emilio!! Am 08.03.2014 09:27, schrieb Emilio Hernandez: Autodesk tried to kill Softimage right

Re: Maya feature request from Softimage users

2014-03-08 Thread Rob Wuijster
those screenshots are making my eyes bleed ;-) Rob \/-\/\/ On 7-3-2014 21:23, Halim Negadi wrote: As for shapes, I've never felt good with soft workflow. A few years ago we asked stargrav to develop us a soft version of BCS. It now works on both platforms and

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Andre De Angelis
*Cheers AD CEOs, you fucked it up big time* Yes, AD should have stuck to the only thing they have ever understood. CAD. They always were and will always be a CAD company. On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Agree,personal attacks to someone who's not

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Markus
Great post Emilio. Get it online maybe a Blog and spread it like mad. Ad tried to hide SI but still. Softimage was gaining Momentum like crazy the last 2 years. More and more 3rd Party dev's , renderers, free compounds tipps tricks , Tutorials. Just look at Vimeo. And the best Part of

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Andre De Angelis
*bullshit about killing Softimage because of 3 apps to develop. why buy in the first place then.* That's pretty much the best argument against the morality and integrity of AD and their clueless strategies. How many products have they bought and killed? I remember the dirty tricks they pulled

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Cristobal Infante
it's a bad decision in the eyes of who? They didn't really buy softimage because they thought is a software they could improve any further, they were actually really buying US the users. Some people call it killing the competition, a chess move. If xsi only had 8-10 developers, than It doesn't

Webinars and training

2014-03-08 Thread Chris Vienneau
Hi Everyone, I am hoping to have the first webinar for soft users to show them the roadmap within a week or two so I will get back to everyone who wrote me privately or publicly with the dates. We will go through the upcoming release and the roadmap. We have been on the road with many soft

Re[2]: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Eugen Sares
*clap clap clap* Well put Emilio! That's some really nasty bad karma that AD collected now. In a way, I'm happy that it's over. The last 5 years were a rollercoaster of hope and frustration. Over and out. Eugen -- Originalnachricht -- Von: Octavian Ureche okt...@gmail.com An:

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Jordi Bares
If you guys really care, prove it by NOT KILLING SOFTIMAGE. Here is the deal, put an upgrade plan in place to make sure the software evolves with time, upgrade your prices too to make sure it is feasible and sstablish a dialog with us to make sure the next release is up to our needs. It is

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Jordi Bares
Softimage, like SideEffect, 3DSMax and the rest are small teams of very clever developers, 8-12 is the normal number of developers for any app… that is a very small cost compared with the cost of advertising and PR, believe me. Regarding this implied direct relationship between pace of

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Daniel Kim
I hope there is a company or someone else who can hire all SI developers and make another next generation 3D software. I remember when Lightwave shut down years ago, and they are back in industry and shows great stuff, and even Modo. I really hope there is a company or someone hires SI dev

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Jordi Bares
I believe that is not feasible any more, the costs and intellectual property (patents) make it so so so so expensive and complicated that I believe we won't see a new package ever again unless it brings a totally totally new concept that avoids the whole patent issue. Let's face it, all the

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Cristobal Infante
They have messed up really badly with us by the way the've handled this. But I don't really consider this a storm, a few guys ranting on a mailing list. CGsociety haven't even bothered to make this news. Why did they keep softimage for all this years? well simple, they were investing in a

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Christoph Muetze
Autodesk turns passionate loyal customers into passionate competitors. I doubt that they know that among the Softimage user base is a tremendous amount of tool developers who merely chose to do something else so far. And i'm sure Autodesk won't see or understand any connection between their

RE: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Angus Davidson
I disagree 5 Years from now, Modo / Houdini / Fabric Engine will be the standard. I say this because they are agile, they listen to what their users want and they actively develop and have a coherent roadmap. With the rate that the industry is developing Maya will not be able to keep up.

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Cristobal Infante
Let me get this right... I want to learn 3D, and you are telling me I need to learn 3 packages instead of Maya? Gollum was made with Maya right? On Saturday, 8 March 2014, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: I disagree 5 Years from now, Modo / Houdini / Fabric Engine will be

RE: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Angus Davidson
Forgot to add the more important thing is that what AD didnt expect with this shitstorm is that all of the other communities are now talking, there are knowledge transfers and people are understanding that their perceptions of other packages may have been wrong. Things are moving a lot faster

RE: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Angus Davidson
And the Peta chimp was made in softimage. At the end of the day its the skill of the craftsman and not the package they use which defines how good it is. From: Cristobal Infante [cgc...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 March 2014 02:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Cristobal Infante
Adding to my point, 3D is already a difficult skill to learn, you probably know this better than many of us. If somebody learns Maya from scratch none of this will matter since they won't know any better.. On Saturday, 8 March 2014, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Forgot to

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Mirko Jankovic
Cristobal, anyone that tell's you that he knows 100% of any 3d software he is plain lying. Same goes with multiple software as well. So yes if you are in industry you will keep learning different packages, unless you have your own shop, stick to what you choose as client doesn't care what tools

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Christoph Muetze
..my point, exactly. On 08/03/14 13:20, Angus Davidson wrote: Forgot to add the more important thing is that what AD didnt expect with this shitstorm is that all of the other communities are now talking, there are knowledge transfers and people are understanding that their perceptions of

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Rob Wuijster
The thing is, like VHS, AutoCAD became a standard. Nowadays there are plenty CAD applications out there running circles around AutoCAD. Rob \/-\/\/ On 8-3-2014 11:35, Andre De Angelis wrote: /Cheers AD CEOs, you fucked it up big time/ Yes, AD should

Re: Maya feature request from Softimage users

2014-03-08 Thread Nicolas Esposito
I would go the opposite direction: Get Softimage core,reskin everything so it'll look like Maya,with UI improvement,add Maya best tools and you're done Il 07/mar/2014 19:29 Siew Yi Liang soni...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hello Jeremie! Missing GATOR and ICE the most, and clusters riding with the

3ds Max 2015 sneak peak is a joke

2014-03-08 Thread Xiaodong Xu
This is what Autodesk calls new features, what a joke? Xiao-dong

Autodesk 3ds Max 2015 sneak peek, joke?

2014-03-08 Thread Xiaodong Xu
http://www.cgmeetup.net/home/autodesk-3ds-max-2015-sneak-peek-video/ Joke?

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Jordi Bares
Pretty much nothing of any value is done with Maya in its own, either custom tools, 3rd party tools, 3rd party rendering, fx, uv unwrapping, sculpting... Specially Gollum. Jb Sent from my iPhone On 8 Mar 2014, at 12:19, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote: Let me get this right...

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Cristobal Infante
I must clarify I was referring to students and young people getting into 3D. I have no problem learning other software out there, I do it all the time. Let's not forget that once they have full control of the universities and training institutions it will just be a one way road. They were already

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Cristobal Infante
Jordi the Gollum example was just a simplification of how people trying to get into 3d think. On Saturday, 8 March 2014, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote: I must clarify I was referring to students and young people getting into 3D. I have no problem learning other software out there,

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Jordi Bares
Ooppss though it was serious.. it is not the first time you know… Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 8 Mar 2014, at 13:05, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote: Jordi the Gollum example was just a simplification of how people trying to get into 3d think. On Saturday, 8 March

Re: Autodesk 3ds Max 2015 sneak peek, joke?

2014-03-08 Thread Mirko Jankovic
Yes it is a joke :) If I cared about them I would create another small movie take object you wanna add. turn on snap to face and place them on anything as long as you wish not to mention what someone would do with ICE :) On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Xiaodong Xu xdx...@vip.sina.com

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Perry Harovas
Great idea Ronald! Great post Emilio! I just tweeted to John Walker about AD's treatment of customers. I doubt he has any pull, but it can't hurt at this point, and he may be very annoyed with how his baby has turned into Darth Vader. Actually, Vader was redeemed in the end, so maybe Emperor

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Cristobal Infante
King Kong as well right? ;) On Saturday, 8 March 2014, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Ooppss though it was serious.. it is not the first time you know... Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jordiba...@gmail.com'); On 8 Mar 2014, at 13:05, Cristobal Infante

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Perry Harovas
Maya is the VHS of the CG world! Well, we are now in the digital world. Too bad AD wants to throw out the digital downloads and DVD's of today in favor of going back to VHS... On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: The thing is, like VHS, AutoCAD became a

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Sofronis Efstathiou
I should clarify we one three Masters courses. Only one uses Softimage (MA3D). The other two (MA digital Effects and MSc) use Houdini - hence the potential transition is made a lot easier... Sofronis Efstathiou Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Competition and Festival Director Computer

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Sofronis Efstathiou
If anyone was interested, we are thinking of doing a Softimage to Houdini workshop for 3 days in late September, as part of the BFX Festival here in Bournemouth. Phil Spicer would be happy to run one. Might even try and wrangle Jordi into it if he was available ;0) Cheers Sofronis Efstathiou

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Jordi Bares
Count on me. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 8 Mar 2014, at 13:24, Sofronis Efstathiou sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk wrote: If anyone was interested, we are thinking of doing a Softimage to Houdini workshop for 3 days in late September, as part of the BFX Festival here in Bournemouth.

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Softimage, like SideEffect, 3DSMax and the rest are small teams of very clever developers, 8-12 is the normal number of developers for any app... that is a very small cost compared with the cost of advertising and PR,

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Mirko Jankovic
There is ton and ton to do in Maya as well. Not to mention Max. But instead Softimage is dead. On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 6:43 AM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Softimage, like SideEffect, 3DSMax and the rest

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Bk
You could do Gollum with SI and ice though. ( I work with Gollum so I should know) I'm not saying that it would be recreating tissue, but It's totally possible to make a gollum with no visual difference. Once you have almost total manipulation control over vectors then you can do pretty much

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Jordi Bares
Nobody said its perfect, I am fully aware Softimage needs some truly major work done to keep it well into the 21st century, like Max and Maya and every other app, agreed. Regarding the number, you know we users are in the dark, everybody avoids answering that but from what I heard (and may be

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Cristobal Infante
Hi Saf, I know you guys love Softimage, we all do! otherwise we wouldn't be here right ;). Softimage was with a doubt was the best choice for a 1 year course where you are meant to learn everything from scratch and produce a short film at the end. Most of us picked up the software very quickly

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Stefan Kubicek
That's the problem with big corporations (and governments): Not a single person is ever responsible for anything.Come on ... is not like he has the final say on things. Attacking him personally won't solve a thing.Let's all act like grown ups.I curse AD as a company ... but as a company it has

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Cristobal Infante
What does Gollum think about all this by the way? unhappy his precious is gone I am sure ;) On 8 March 2014 13:55, Bk p...@bustykelp.com wrote: You could do Gollum with SI and ice though. ( I work with Gollum so I should know) I'm not saying that it would be recreating tissue, but It's

Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan

2014-03-08 Thread Ben Rogall
Yes, I have exactly the same question (I posted it on si-community yesterday). The question is regarding what happens if one transitions and continues a subscription to Maya after Feb 2016. If you need to continue accessing your old version of Softimage, are you required to continue your

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody said its perfect, I am fully aware Softimage needs some truly major work done to keep it well into the 21st century, like Max and Maya and every other app, agreed. Regarding the number, you know we users are in

Re: Save Softimage Petition

2014-03-08 Thread Doeke Wartena
More then 3000 allready! I just hope when enough people sign they will continue supporting softimage. I will atleast keep using the sinking ship untill it hits the bottom, after that i swim away from autodesk. 2014-03-08 Chris Chia softimage...@gmail.com: Thanks for making this effort. I

RE: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Angus Davidson
Thats exactly why we used it as well. Our Animation course is only a year and you can get so much more done in SI then Maya From: Cristobal Infante [cgc...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 March 2014 03:55 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Good point well

Re: Webinars and training

2014-03-08 Thread Doeke Wartena
Could you also roll out transition training to know the equivalent function in Houdini? 2014-03-08 Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.com: Hi Everyone, I am hoping to have the first webinar for soft users to show them the roadmap within a week or two so I will get back to everyone who

RE: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Sofronis Efstathiou
Agreed. Softimage allowed us to teach in a single year what the BA courses (using Maya) covered in 3 years...and then some more. Softimage was an excellent artist tool...and since 80% of our Masters students had never used 3D software before (they were painters, illustrators etc) - they were

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Stephen Davidson
Godzilla was done by Softimage, right? ;) Godzilla was my all time favorite rig, though. It was ground breaking. On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com wrote: King Kong as well right? ;) On Saturday, 8 March 2014, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: Ooppss

Re: Update to the Softtimage Transition Plan

2014-03-08 Thread John Richard Sanchez
Hi Maurice Thanks for the new info. My situation is this. 9. I did not renew my Subscription. Can I transition to Maya or 3ds Max? If you have purchased a new license or upgraded your Softimage within the last 365 days you can late- attach Subscription by paying the Late Renewal fee. Once you are

Re: Considering recent events....

2014-03-08 Thread Tim Crowson
Title: Signature I'm unabashedly bumping this thread. Some folks on this list seem like they need it. Maybe someone could make some cookies? -Tim On 3/5/2014 10:47 PM, Sylvain Lebeau wrote: hahahahhahahahahha i almost

Sweet deal from Lightwave for displaced Softies

2014-03-08 Thread Stephen Davidson
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/03/prweb11647567.htm -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson* *(954) 552-7956*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com

Re: Sweet deal from Lightwave for displaced Softies

2014-03-08 Thread Eric Thivierge
I'm glad they gave you enough time to take advantage of the deal, what, just over three weeks? ps Eric Thivierge http://www.ethivierge.com On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.netwrote:

Re[2]: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Eugen Sares
One cardinal mistake back then was keeping so many aspects of the development in house. Once a critical mass was reached, the burden became too big. An open SDK concept would have been needed - platform like. Unlocking as many doors as possible, let 3rd parties do the extensions. A question,

Re: Sweet deal from Lightwave for displaced Softies

2014-03-08 Thread Ben Rogall
Nice offer, and I'll always have affection for Lightwave since it was my first 3d app. But I haven't felt motivated to upgrade my license at the same price. On 3/8/2014 10:59 AM, Stephen Davidson wrote: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/03/prweb11647567.htm -- Best Regards, * Stephen P.

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Emilio Hernandez
Thank you guys I am more cooled down now. I would like this, as you said, gets out of this list and starts spreading. I am just wondering where it would be good to post it, so it can reach further and into the eyes of the stock holders, and general public. That my bet is they have been

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Emilio Hernandez
@Chris. Oh by the way did you know that now also Lightwave besides The Foundry is giving us a big discount to switch from Softimage to them? Does this gives you a clue of what is coming? Definitivley I would seriosuly start thinking of that second meeting with the board, and stock holders that

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Luca!!!!
Just great Emilio. You said pratically everything and in precise words. One can be only crazy to start to answer against it. I'd like your post to be on a web page and sharing the link, as that really represent the real situation AD is trying to hide. 2014-03-08 18:26 GMT+01:00 Emilio Hernandez

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Jordi Bares
I agree 100% on one thing, if you are not willing to invest money to maintain the application it is the only honest thing to do. The problem I have is how is it possible there is no will to put the necessary work and money to make it happen? How is it possible someone pays $35M to buy a company

Re: Autodesk 3ds Max 2015 sneak peek, joke?

2014-03-08 Thread Petr Zloty
That new long wanted feature from sneak peak is the one that you can have OPEN SCENE EXPLORER and select object in the scene/WORK in the scene AT THE SAME TIME. Something that isn't possible right now in 2014, even after long AD developement, even 3dsmax 2104 still lack this possibility. Yes you

Re: Autodesk 3ds Max 2015 sneak peek, joke?

2014-03-08 Thread Tim Crowson
That video is kinda funny... all this build-up... such drama... then 40s of mind-spinning activity during which time you're going 'WTF is going on? Did someone spike my food at lunch?' And then just as you think 'ok I think I just saw what they did there, but still this is very

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Paul Griswold
The all in one mentality is pervasive at ADSK. Just look at how they took the Mudbox Softimage forums and jammed them into the one-size-fits-all disaster known as The Area. ᐧ On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com wrote: I agree 100% on one thing, if you are not

Re: Sweet deal from Lightwave for displaced Softies

2014-03-08 Thread Eric Thivierge
What's nice about it? They're holding a gun to your head saying you have 3 weeks to get it or the deal runs out. They've been running these shitty buy now, we're not telling you when the sale is going to expire deals for the past year. Other vendors need to not be doing business like this. Extend

Autodesk CEO

2014-03-08 Thread Andi Farhall
Perhaps the more eloquent among us could drop him a line here https://twitter.com/carlbass A ... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/https://vimeo.com/user4174293http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21

Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler

2014-03-08 Thread Eric Thivierge
No Sam has a valid point. Regardless of whether there are still issues (or ever were) that Sam experienced, people need to take a huge step back. Stop running to the next big thing that is being advertised. Take your time, you have plenty. Really evaluate these apps in production and not just

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Jason S
Apart that most of all of the missing features mentionned (see below) have been requested for Maya, basically since they were introduced in XSI.. .. the efforts to reproduce *some* aspects of SI have either been faint reproductions (for the larger part) or (to be fair) sometimes reaching more

Re: Listening

2014-03-08 Thread Steven Caron
guys... please trim your replies. *written with my thumbs On Mar 8, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: @Chris. Oh by the way did you know that now also Lightwave besides The Foundry is giving us a big discount to switch from Softimage to them? Does this gives you

Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler

2014-03-08 Thread Tim Crowson
Yes I agree, and here's my point: I think people would do that anyway. I don't think we have a bunch of fools around here who just buy stuff willy-nilly. I myself have been very careful to explicitly emphasize the need for people to evaluate things for themselves and take responsibility,

Keep up the noise... (but don't be a dick)

2014-03-08 Thread Greg Punchatz
Keep up the noise people!! Change has already happened keep up the pressure folks. Write to your congressman..Ermm, I mean this guy... chris.vienn...@autodesk.com Please PLEASE... don't name call... but for god's sake let him know why this is a BIG MISTAKE for his company and yours! It's

Re: Re[2]: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Luc-Eric Rousseau
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Eugen Sares sof...@mail.sprit.org wrote: One cardinal mistake back then was keeping so many aspects of the development in house. Once a critical mass was reached, the burden became too big. An open SDK concept would have been needed - platform like. Unlocking

URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Nick Martinelli
I apologize for labeling this as URGENT, I really feel that this should be read by all regardless of side. The outcry from the community is staggering both on here and the petition (3520 in only a couple days!). I seriously doubt that AD's reps were prepared for such a backlash. They

Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler

2014-03-08 Thread Eric Thivierge
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.comwrote: I'm just tired of the emotional hooplah over this stuff. Heh, you should wait a few months then. :) Honestly though. I'm not saying there are fools but there are people already buying into these deals. Just wait a

Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Paul Doyle
What might work better is to share a google doc with the consolidated list of questions - email chains rapidly become unwieldy... On 8 March 2014 13:30, Nick Martinelli n...@nickmartinelli.net wrote: I apologize for labeling this as URGENT, I really feel that this should be read by all

Area lights shadows look like steps

2014-03-08 Thread David Saber
Hi all, Please check this picture of a coffee cup, rendered in its own shadow pass: http://david.saber.free.fr/bazaar/xsi/Softimage_AreaLights_Rendering_Problem.jpg As you can see, the shadows are not soft, they look weird, like stepped. I tweaked some shadow and area light settings, but I

Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Mario Reitbauer
I signed the petition but still we (you) guys should maybe start thinking about stopping the daydreaming. AD made a decision and this decision is a final one. The only thing which could happen is: Okey guys we will continue to have Softimage in our product portfolio without developing for it. Is

Re[4]: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Eugen Sares
Thanks for the insight! Unlucky... well, those were other days... For scripting, I somewhat understand the 'tacking-on', but why layering the C++ API, too (after it became clear that it was needed), since XSI was C++ anyway? As we know, it's still unfinished until this day in many areas. Was

RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list - A new word from Brad Peebler

2014-03-08 Thread Angus Davidson
Hi Eric I dont think anyone is suggesting mass migrating studios to modo/houdini/lw now. However these deals allow folks to get a copy for evaluation. We did exactly that in November of Last year (when everyone was getting upset with folks like me who were warning them this was coming). It

Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Eric Turman
So, who is going to create the google doc? On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Mario Reitbauer cont...@marioreitbauer.atwrote: I signed the petition but still we (you) guys should maybe start thinking about stopping the daydreaming. AD made a decision and this decision is a final one. The

Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Doeke Wartena
here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10reItsMpXD309tOH7ZVF3trh6cHMmEtlNEdJWK7pnpM/edit?usp=sharing 2014-03-08 20:18 GMT+01:00 Eric Turman i.anima...@gmail.com: So, who is going to create the google doc? On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Mario Reitbauer cont...@marioreitbauer.at wrote:

Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Paul Griswold
Not that I'm holding out any hope, but it does somewhat remind me of the NetFlix/Qwikster debacle or even New Coke - what a disaster that was. ᐧ On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Mario Reitbauer cont...@marioreitbauer.atwrote: I signed the petition but still we (you) guys should maybe start

Re: Keep up the noise... (but don't be a dick)

2014-03-08 Thread Eric Turman
Nicely put Greg, I have to add that I'm very weary of the its just a tool excuse. Sticks and rocks put together are tools too but they can not achieve the same quality in the brief period that a laser CNC machine can...and they are both just tools. Softimage is an amazing a force multiplier that

Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Leendert A. Hartog
But moving the items from the Mailing List to a Google doc won't do much good, unless you are able to set some clear ground rules as to its usage and the intended content (what should and what should not be included)... Greetz Leendert -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi

Re: Area lights shadows look like steps

2014-03-08 Thread Jason S
That stepping always occurs, (revealing object polygons without smoothing) happenning at the lit/shaded threshold of objects. But normally isn't visible, as it happens slightly beyond the maximum reach of the light on an object (will show-up in shadow only passes) And should similarly

Re: Keep up the noise... (but don't be a dick)

2014-03-08 Thread Mario Reitbauer
I would love to do that but as mentioned in another post. Now as we have seen what happend to SI (and might happen again if they keep it up) which company is going to stick to SI ? I mean were are we guys gonna find jobs with SI ? Don't you think the harm is allready done ? 2014-03-08 20:30

Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Emilio Hernandez
I agree that we need to setup rules. So the doc will contain proper language and be well focused. What I really don't understand is why when someone comes with an initiative, there is alwasy somebody coming back with It is useless. Bear with it, Leave and move forward. Well strictly to the last

Re: Keep up the noise... (but don't be a dick)

2014-03-08 Thread Jason S
On 03/08/14 14:54, Mario Reitbauer wrote: which company is going to stick to SI ? I would think any company that doesn't want to seiously damage their throughoutput, especially that it's now possible, as opposed to just yesterday.

Re: Keep up the noise... (but don't be a dick)

2014-03-08 Thread Mirko Jankovic
Mario, I guess that most affected are specialized guys like you, like my friend Alessio.. TDs and similar with skills that are pretty focused to Softimage alone. Let's face it, to learn to animate, light, render... in Maya coming from Softimage, doesn't take much. Rigging is a bit different set of

RE: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Chris Vienneau
I will agree that a doc is a good thing especially if we can get ideas in there like opening up the sdk where we can at least address it and have answers. Marc Stevens will be leading a webinar online on March 17th. If you can get the questions in order of priority I can get them in front of

Re: Good point well put

2014-03-08 Thread Jordi Bares
Clearly there were some design flaws and whatever happened that caused the huge delay (microsoft COM ??? or the whole Twister issue) you arrived late to the party with a half baked cake. You should be super proud of what you achieved, amongst others XSI has been pivotal in the construction of

Re: Keep up the noise... (but don't be a dick)

2014-03-08 Thread Emilio Hernandez
I just copied form another post that I wrote.: What I really don't understand is why when someone comes with an initiative, there is alwasy somebody coming back with It is useless. Bear with it, Leave and move forward. Well strictly to the last Leave it, and move forward. Is really moving

Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Jordi Bares
Bigger mountains have moved my friend. Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 8 Mar 2014, at 19:01, Mario Reitbauer cont...@marioreitbauer.at wrote: I signed the petition but still we (you) guys should maybe start thinking about stopping the daydreaming. AD made a decision and this decision is

Re: URGENT: Consolidation of Questions

2014-03-08 Thread Mirko Jankovic
One small issue tho.. what if later down the road like next year or two... you need couple more SI seats for bigger project you just got or something? Any idea how to deal with that then? On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Chris Vienneau chris.vienn...@autodesk.comwrote: I will agree that a doc

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