Arguably you’re performing an NFPA 25 action, replacing antifreeze. NFPA 25
2023: 5.3.4.4.1 Where used to replace nonlisted antifreeze solutions, listed
antifreeze solutions shall be permitted to be used outside their listing
limitations, provided the temperature range limitations are not excee
I use MISCO
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I have not had this issue, but from what you have said, my best guess would
be that the pressure is dropping on the city side, and causing the backflow
to dump. I would ask if any big water users have been built nearby, and/or
if someone has been flow testing/flushing hydrants nearby. You may
con
Similar, I'm aware of an antifreeze system that twice split open the expansion
tank(s). The first two expansion tanks were generic expansion tanks not listed
for antifreeze service. The third (listed/approved) tank has been on for eight
or ten years now, with no issues. Don't underestimate th
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The problem with that is that it is a mean temperature map set up for
underground mains. In my area it shows about 3
rgotten.”
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The problem with that is that it is a mean temperature map set up for
underground mains. In my area it sho
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No one uses the old Farmer’s Almanac anymore?
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Todd,
NOAH should be able to help with that information.
Regards,
G. Tim Stone
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What ultimately is an impairment is the AHJ’s call. 13 says what you need
solution wise for your climate, and whether pre-mixed or listed or not
depending on the Edition it was installed under. 25 tells you what to test
and what for. You report what you find. The AHJ decides if it’s an
impairment t
Frozen water or solution blocking flow could be considered an impairment.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc)
860-553-3553 (fax)
860-608-4559 (cell)
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If you replaced the solutions with one that was rated for and tests at -15degF,
what would be th
If you replaced the solutions with one that was rated for and tests at
-15degF, what would be the impairment?
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
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860-553-3553 (fax)
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In my opinion, based upon what you’ve written, they would be better off finding
the alternative method they’ll need in six years when antifreeze is no longer a
viable option.
The leaking sprinklers are a symptom, the 11˚F minimum is a problem, the six
years left for antifreeze is a concern.
To
Chapter 10 (underground) has information about when to protect above ground
piping.
It is based on the isotherm lines that express the one day lowest mean temps.
You are not required to go to the 1000 year record low temperatures.
Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC
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Original intent was to allow a section of pipe to verify the interface
between the antifreeze & water. Top valve should show mostly antifreeze
& the bottom show mostly water.
On 2/25/2016 11:01 AM, Zachary Siegrist wrote:
All,
I came across my first antifreeze system today in an existing appli
The illustration in 7.6.3.1 is misleading in that the valves at A & B are not
(I think) drawn properly. The valve isn't in the line it is on an outlet from a
tee. This is so you can test the antifreeze concentration above and below the
antifreeze / water interface. Which should occur somewhere
The five foot drop is only required in installations without a dedicated
backflow prevention device for the AF system. Every jurisdiction I've worked
in requires an RPZ backflow at the antifreeze system, so we never installed
them that way or worked on any that were done that way. Because anti
building. What is left, we will pump
into the sewer system. They have their own on-site sewage treatment, 2
open ponds.
Thanks to those who responed.
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According to Dow Chemical propylene glycol is completely soluble in all
proportions in water. It “dissolved" into the water. A liquid dissolving into
another is a notion we rarely think about. You ended up with about 90 gallons
good for 15F. That is 25% glycol or 22.5 gallons glycol in a 90 gall
It is possible that some of the anti-freeze moved around due to density
differences with the water- the 'water' sample that you pulled may not be
representative of all of the liquid in the system. It would depend on the
layout of the piping to see if that is a possibility.
On the other hand: yo
What was the concentration of the propylene glycol you filled with and its
freeze point?
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Fire Sprinkler Contractor
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That is what we are doing. The AHJ told the GC that antifreeze is much
cheaper. I basically told them if they want antifreeze, give the contract
to someone else, I won't put it in a residential use.
*Jay Stough*
NICET IV LAYOUT
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Curtis Tower <
cur...
Jay,
Was protecting the attic with a dry pipe system not an option???
Curtis Tower
Central Fire Protection
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I think the legal case would depend on the harm or potential harm done to
humans. If you were
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Legally you might get by. But when the lawyers get done with you knew (o
position.
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Subject: RE: Antifreeze systems
I agree with Chris on this one. How can
f Tom
Wellen
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 7:42 AM
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I'm hearing jurisdictions saying that the antifreeze ban does not apply to
them. It is my understanding that NFPA intended for the new requirements
to apply regardle
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I'm hearing jurisdictions saying that the antifreeze ban
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Message-
From: rongreenman .
To: sprinklerforum
Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Antifreeze systems
The reason I have no hair is local jurisdictions thinking they have a
better
insight into these problems than the committee because they have a
"special"
problem. I think the
It also depends on what edition of NFPA 13 has been adopted by your
jurisdiction.
Forest Wilson
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Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2015 2:27 pm
Subject: Re
Ladies/Gents:
I may be out there on the same limb with the AHJ, but I seem to recall (at
some point), anti-freeze could be used with a pre-mix as long as a
document (letter, plans, etc.) were 'sealed' by a licensed Fire Protection
Engineer and the document(s) were reviewed and approved by s
The reason I have no hair is local jurisdictions thinking they have a
better insight into these problems than the committee because they have a
"special" problem. I think they want the attic system because they're
afraid of firefighters falling through the roof. My solution has always
been, if this
Travis,
I believe you have this correct, however, there's also a hook in
the applicable sections for 13R systems.
That link (if you scroll down), shows you the page, you see the
revised section 5.4.2 for 13R, and it notes that ares needing freeze
protection can use anti-freeze if it is
Jay:
The way I read that link is that you can use AF listed for ESFR systems,
or you can use premix solutions in "specific areas" of a new 13D
installation. It doesn't say anywhere that it is permitted in a 13R or
13 system based on that link.
So, if you are 13R, I don't see how it would co
Compliance with NFPA 13: 7.6.3.3 requirement for a listed expansion chamber is
a good start. This is assuming that he has a backflow preventer on the
antifreeze connection to the wet system (if a sub-system) which drives the wet
system to requiring an RPZ instead of a double check.
It’s intere
Try NOAA. Lowest recorded temperatures. Average low temperatures. All kinds
of atmospheric data.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 11:59 AM, David Williams wrote:
> Alternatively...find someone with ASHRAE handbooks... The CD that comes
> with the fundamentals book has lowest temps based on various proba
Alternatively...find someone with ASHRAE handbooks... The CD that comes with
the fundamentals book has lowest temps based on various probabilities.
David Toshio Williams, PE
LHB, Inc. Performance•Driven•Design
...sent from the cloud through the tubes!
> On Jan 28, 2015, at 1:35
In an informal interp from NFSA, I was told to use the isothermal lines
table in NFPA 13 to use for temperatures.
Otherwise, do you go for the 100 yr min temp? I think that isothermal
line was a good general basis.
Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC
2508 E Lodgepole Drive
Gilbert, AZ 85298
480
You would have to dump the antifreeze and start over. You shouldn't be
using any solution other than a pre-mix and I don't think pre-mixing it
yourself counts.
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Sent:
Doug,
You should only use factory pre mixed solutions.
It has been this way for years.
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From: Douglas Hicks
To: sprinklerforum
Sent: Fri, Jan 16, 2015 07:28 PM
Subject: Antifreeze, not eno
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Behalf Of Jody Massey
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2015 9:31 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Antifreeze in systems
Thank you.
I had ordered
Fire Code Essentials, 2015 edition®
back before Christmas and it has not shipped yet.
In my job, I co
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Original message From: Jody Massey
Date:01/10/2015 10:31 AM
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Subject: Re: Antifreeze in systems
Thank you.
I had ordered
But you really need to get the
>> book. Or better, get 13 and 25 with the commentary.
>>
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>> -Original Message- From: rongreenman .
>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:28 PM
>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
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get 13 and 25 with the commentary.
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> -Original Message- From: rongreenman .
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:28 PM
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> Try reading NFPA 25.
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> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:43
From: rongreenman .
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 5:28 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Antifreeze in systems
Try reading NFPA 25.
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Jody Massey
wrote:
Gentlemen,
Concerning existing systems (in general):
- Are these required to be
Try reading NFPA 25.
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Jody Massey
wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> Concerning existing systems (in general):
>
>- Are these required to be inspected? If so, where is it noted?
>- When are antifreeze systems used and can you look at the system and
>see when/if the
lf Of Thomas Watt
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:00 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Antifreeze-recipe for disaster?
I was hoping you would offer input Scott. I noticed your name in the report as
I read it. I just did not see any inference to escaping gases contributing to
ion website.
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Watt
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 1:35 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Antifreeze-recipe for disaster?
The point I was trying to make is the
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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:41 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Antifreeze-recipe for disaster?
So as the N2 is absorbed by the antifreeze, is there any loss of volume (and
subsequent reduction in pressure) in the piping that would
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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:32 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Antifreeze-recipe for disaster?
I would bet the nitrogen never "leaks out of the system", based on Henry's Law,
as the nitrogen dissolves into sol
ts.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Antifreeze-recipe for disaster?
C'mon, Todd. WHY is he the missing link?
...because there is no way of know with certainty how much water will enter the
AF piping after all of the N2 eventually leaks out. The presents the
possibility of a freezable AF sy
nklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Antifreeze-recipe for disaster?
No, but I think the guy that did it is the missing link.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080
www.fpdc.com
> On Nov 12, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Thomas Watt
> wrote:
>
> I
No, but I think the guy that did it is the missing link.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080
www.fpdc.com
> On Nov 12, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Thomas Watt
> wrote:
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> I recently encountered a scenario which I felt this group would enjoy
> chewing on.
nkler Contractor
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 4:41 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Antifreeze Drain & Test
Bob you are referencing 25 and 13.
Forest Wilson
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From: Bob
Date:01/17/2014 6:23 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Antifreeze Drain & Test
Roland,
NFPA 13 7.6.3.6 (2010), A drain/test connection shall be installed at the
most remote portion of the system.
NFPA
www.firebyknight.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 4:07 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Antifreeze Drain &
actually 25 says to test it at its most remote portion AND at the water
interface. Then if the system is larger than 150 gal, it shall have
intermediate test points for every 100 gals.
You may be thinking about the old 13 annex that suggested using a dry system if
larger than 40 gals.
Roland
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Forest
Wilson
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 8:56 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Antifreeze
Here is an informal interpretation on the
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Forest
Wilson
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 8:56 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Antifreeze
Here is an informal interpretation on the issue:
Dear Mr. Wilson,
This email
centf...@aol.com
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> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> Subject: Re: Antifreeze
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> Gents:
>
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> MY understanding of (current) requirements is - okay if pre-mixed in factory
> (clearly marked on container) AND "appro
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Gents:
MY understanding of (current) requirements is - okay if pre-mixed in factory
(clearly marked on container) AND "approved&q
here in NM)...
Regards to all-
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From: Morey, Mike
To: sprinklerforum
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 7:23 am
Subject: RE: Antifreeze
Whether or not they "enforce" the bulletins, they are considered retroact
erely,
Cecil Bilbo
Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology
Champaign, IL
217.607.0325
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> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 07:43:40 -0400
> Subject: Re: Antifreeze
> From: craigleadbet...@gmail.com
> To: sprink
rinkler.org on behalf of Forest Wilson
Sent: Mon 8/5/2013 8:44 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Antifreeze
It's worth noting that the bulletins issued by NFPA on antifreeze affect the
current edition of 13.
Some states have previous versions of 13 adopted and don&#x
my of Fire Sprinkler Technology
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> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 07:43:40 -0400
> Subject: Re: Antifreeze
> From: craigleadbet...@gmail.com
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.
It's worth noting that the bulletins issued by NFPA on antifreeze affect the
current edition of 13.
Some states have previous versions of 13 adopted and don't enforce the
bulletins.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 5, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Craig Leadbetter wrote:
> I really appreciate the responses
I really appreciate the responses. I was looking for confirmation that my
thinking was correct. I lost a couple of bid jobs recently, one which was a
modification to an existing antifreeze system, essentially tripling the
size of the system, and the other was a wet and dry system.
I expected to lo
tay in business.
Dewayne
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Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:12 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: An
Agree 100% with Rod and Cecil. Run quickly and do not stop.
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From: Rod DiBona
To: "sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org"
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 00:47:19 EDT
Subject: RE: Antifre
Craig,
www.nfpa.org/antifreeze has the information you are looking for. Pre mix is
the only solution that is allowed in new installs. 48% glycerin and 38% glycol.
I don't know where Forest is putting in his antifreeze systems, hopefully
somewhere warm but these numbers are not going to do the
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> From: forest_wil...@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Antifreeze
> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 20:59:40 -0400
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>
> I purchase mine from the local Tyco Distributor.
> Tyco shows it In thei
gt;> (612) 759-5556 Cell
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:
>> sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org ] On Behalf
>> Of Craig Leadbetter
>> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:33 PM
>&
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> -Original Message-
> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:
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> Of Craig Leadbetter
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Craig
Leadbetter
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 6:33 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Antif
Which product can be used?
On Aug 4, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Forest Wilson wrote:
> Yes.
> They are allowed
> I installed one a few months ago
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 4, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Craig Leadbetter
> wrote:
>
>> Are antifreeze systems allowed to be installed.
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>> I was und
Yes.
They are allowed
I installed one a few months ago
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On Aug 4, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Craig Leadbetter wrote:
> Are antifreeze systems allowed to be installed.
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> I was understood that no one was making an approved antifreeze. Am I wrong?
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> Craig Leadbetter
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> Safe
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Art Tiroly
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Are their any videos of the test and procedure documents of how the test was
set up? AF systems have been around for a very
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A Futrell
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in Rod and Mark's neighborhood there are contractors using propylene
glycol in CPVC systems (that's a no no) over 50% (that's another no
ugust 28, 2012 3:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Antifreeze Update
Are their any videos of the test and procedure documents of how the test was
set up? AF systems have been around for a very long time and only recently has
there been any questions about flash fires of AF/water mi
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Subject: RE: Antifreeze Update
in Rod and Mark's neighborhood there are contractors using propylene glycol
in CPVC systems (that's a no no) over 50% (that's another no no) and they
know it because "what else can they do?".
Scott Futrell
(763) 425-1
sprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Scott A Futrell
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in Rod and Mark's neighborhood there are contractors using propylene glycol in
CPVC systems (that's a no no) over 50% (that's another no
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
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If you were in Rod's or Frozen Mark'
of systems, methods, etc...
Ron Fletcher
Aero - Phoenix
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
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Dewayne, I had a short off-Forum debate
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez
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I am a bit confused on the matter of wh
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:30 PM
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Yep except for those already under bid, a discussion with the AHJ to
follow the NFPA 25 criteria is worth a shot.
Yep except for those already under bid, a discussion with the AHJ to
follow the NFPA 25 criteria is worth a shot.
Also when servicing an existing system, unless less than 30% for PG or
38% for Glycerin, you have to proof it's acceptable in order to keep
it. Well the ITM guy doesn't but he
Is the bottom line no new NFPA 13 antifreeze systems for now?
Ron Fletcher
Aero - Phoneix
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:42 PM
To: Sprinkler
I have always used a Brix scale refractometer. I just make a solution of
what I should see to get a baseline. Take a sample to see what I have.
Compare the two and if they're different make more samples at different
solutions until I get the one that's there. Time consuming yes, but I
mostly did (o
We got two of the Misco digital units about 18 months ago, and have no
problems.
http://www.misco.com/products/PA203X.html
The guys who use them often definitely like them a lot.
Benjamin Young
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Bobby Gillett <
gillet...@keyfireprotection.com> wrote:
> I wante
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