Great information Steve. Thanks for a great post that we can all benefit from.
Rod at Rapid Fire
From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf
Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:36 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
Boat storage is one of the highest
ruary 21, 2019 12:21 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Boat Storage
I have been asked to look at a new building for boat storage but cannot seem to
find any guidance, has anyone done a boat storage building that can point me in
the right direction.
Thank you
poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low
>> price is forgotten.”
>>
>>
>> From: Sprinklerforum On
>> Behalf Of James Crawford
>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:21 AM
>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>> Subject: Boat St
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> “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price
> is forgotten.”
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>
> From: Sprinklerforum <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of James
> Crawford
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 20
Boat storage is one of the highest hazards imaginable, with sometimes dense
arrays of trailered and/or racked boats composed of fiberglass shells with foam
cores. There have been a few boat storage fires over the past few years, most
recently one in Georgia on 7 October, 2018. That fire
rum On Behalf
Of James Crawford
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:30 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
Rack storage up to 60’
Thank you
James Crawford
Phaser Fire Protection Ltd.
Phone 604-888-0318
Fax 604-888-4732
Cel 604-790-093
Behalf Of Fpdcdesign
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 9:24 AM
To: Sprinklerforum
Subject: Re: Boat Storage
Rack storage?
On Feb 21, 2019 at 12:21 PM, mailto:jcrawf...@phaserfire.ca> >
wrote:
I have been asked to look at a new building for boat storage but cannot seem to
find any gu
Rack storage?
>
> On Feb 21, 2019 at 12:21 PM, (mailto:jcrawf...@phaserfire.ca)> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I have been asked to look at a new building for boat storage but cannot seem
> to find any guidance, has anyone done a boat s
m On
Behalf Of James Crawford
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:21 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Boat Storage
I have been asked to look at a new building for boat storage but cannot seem
to find any guidance, has anyone done a boat storage building that can point
me in t
I have been asked to look at a new building for boat storage but cannot seem
to find any guidance, has anyone done a boat storage building that can point
me in the right direction.
Thank you
James Crawford
Phaser Fire Protection Ltd.
Phone 604-888-0318
Fax 604-888-4732
Cel 604
: RE: boat storage
To all,
It appears that most sprinkler contractors like to gamble their lives away.
Working with rack storage of boat requires working with end user and AHJ using
detailed protection concepts. Most of the alternate fire extinguishing systems
suggested such as CAF, High Ex Foam
systems as per the system's
manufacturer who all state that their systems are not designed to protect rack
storage of boats with fuel. So you have to find a system that the system
manufacturer will support using to protect the boat storage. In trying to
protect one of these buildings we tried a
x - 864.599.8439
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:16 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: boat storag
PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: boat storage
do we think fires in group A plastics, bin-box storage-on-racks,
are going to ignore whether a sprinkler is putting
out 0.495 gpm/ft2 versus 0.97 gpm/ft2?
I am sure the statement that "density has nothing to do with
ESFR technology&quo
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:12 PM
To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org'
Subject: RE: boat storage
My understanding of boat rack fires (not a huge
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> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:54 PM
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
> Subject: RE: boat storage
>
> It would be
I thought the point the writer was trying to make was that ESFR systems are not
calculated or designed based on the area/density method.
Maybe for boat storage you should use those dry sprinkler systems that don't
use any water at all, hmmm, how do you calculate those again?
Cr
driving to RI?
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:58 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: boat storage
While I may not have been fast
Scot,
I think the statement that density has nothing to do with EFSR was in
the same context that it has nothing to do with residential heads.
Densities are built into the listings rather than picked from a A/D
chart.
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Thom McMahon wrote:
> While I may not have be
sprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:54 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: boat storage
It would be less risky to just go ahead and post all of your credit cards,
with verifier #'s plus your driver's Lic. and Social #'s here on
While I may not have been fastest on the track, due as we have discussed, to
the lack of weight based handicapping. You'll never forget the ride to the
track!
Anyone for RI boat racing?
George is right, you'll never know what you've missed, if you don't attend.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
It would be less risky to just go ahead and post all of your credit cards,
with verifier #'s plus your driver's Lic. and Social #'s here on the forum.
Your potential loss would be far less, and at least you'd be helping
someone.
If Scott is offering to help design this thing, take him up on it. I'
do we think fires in group A plastics, bin-box storage-on-racks,
are going to ignore whether a sprinkler is putting
out 0.495 gpm/ft2 versus 0.97 gpm/ft2?
I am sure the statement that "density has nothing to do with
ESFR technology" was meant in some connotation
that is lost on me, similar to how
: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 1:37 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: boat storage
Tom,
I have to agree with my friend up in Steamboat Springs. The information
you've provided on the forum appears to be almost a textbook case of a
disaster waiting to happen - for you.
H
lting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com> website
> -Original Message-
> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of tom poisal
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
> Subj
this way)
that
cut my feet out from under me three-quarters of the way through a contract.
I will gladly design and argue strategies and physics in the open light of
day
against a boat storage fire, than take on an architect or GC in another
closed door, dark room, uninvited meeting room.
As Wa
0 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of tom poisal
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 6:43 PM
To: sprinklerforum
ay smarter than me) say stay away. You asked
the opinion, do not shoot the messengers.
R/
Matt
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From: "den1"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: boat storage
I stand by my response to run. This isn't horseshoes and hand grenades.
You
s for the owner whenever
>>> they move boats. I guess it's a this is what we have deal, deal with
>>> it...refusing to address a problem really irks meby the way you
>>> have so many disclaimers why would you care? See FL Chapter 61G15-27,
>>> etc
>
nklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 12:29 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: boat storage
What Ron said. The EOR said "install an NFPA compliant system" and
there is no NFPA compliant system. Kick it back and let him
Tom, I have some papers written on this. Contact me off line because it's
large .pdf's.
Russell Rewis
Brown Automatic Sprinklers, Inc.
107C Hemlock Street
Valdosta, Georgia 31601
229-244-8130
russ...@brownautomatic.com
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Subject: boat storage
Ii have a in
ts for headaches for the owner whenever
> > >they move boats. I guess it's a this is what we have deal, deal with
> > >it...refusing to address a problem really irks meby the way you
> > >have so many disclaimers why would you care? See FL Chapter 61G15-2
for headaches for the owner whenever
>> >they move boats. I guess it's a this is what we have deal, deal with
>> >it...refusing to address a problem really irks meby the way you
>> >have so many disclaimers why would you care? See FL Chapter 61G15-27,
>>
; >they move boats. I guess it's a this is what we have deal, deal with
> >it...refusing to address a problem really irks meby the way you
> >have so many disclaimers why would you care? See FL Chapter 61G15-27,
> >etc
> >
> >On 5/3/10, den1 wrote:
>
why would you care? See FL Chapter 61G15-27,
>etc
>
>On 5/3/10, den1 wrote:
> > Here is my take on in-door boat storage marinas. Many of these
> > structures reach 50 feet in height and have what amounts to multi-row
> > rack storage of plastics containing flammable liq
oblem really irks meby the way you
have so many disclaimers why would you care? See FL Chapter 61G15-27,
etc
On 5/3/10, den1 wrote:
> Here is my take on in-door boat storage marinas. Many of these
> structures reach 50 feet in height and have what amounts to multi-row
> rack storage of
Here is my take on in-door boat storage marinas. Many of these
structures reach 50 feet in height and have what amounts to multi-row
rack storage of plastics containing flammable liquids. There has been no
large scale fire testing (yet) and there is no way to apply NFPA 13 for
a code compliant
: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: boat storage
the E.O.R. emphatically states "install a NFPA compliant system"
On 5/3/10, Richardson, R wrote:
> Be leery of NFPA 303, last time I checked that standard still specified a
> largely useless standpipe system for pier
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> craig.pr...@ch2m.com
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 14:14
> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
> Subject: RE: boat storage
>
> Check in NFPA 303 also. 303 has supposedly equated racked boat storage to
> group A plastics storage as referenced in NFPA
Richardson
Seattle Fire Department
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 14:14
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: boat storage
Check in
Check in NFPA 303 also. 303 has supposedly equated racked boat storage to
group A plastics storage as referenced in NFPA 13.
Other options include water mist and Hybrid water based inert gas systems
(Vortex).
NFPA 303, 2006
6.3.4 Indoor Rack Storage.
6.3.4.1* Where boats are stored on
39 Hwy 12 SW
> Waverly, MN 55390
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>From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
>[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of tom poisal
>Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:03 PM
>To: sprinklerforum
>Subject: boat storage
>
>
www. AFPsprink.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of tom poisal
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:03 PM
To: sprinklerforum
Subject: boat storage
Ii have a in rack boat storage facility, 4 stories,
Waverly, MN 55390
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:12 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: boat storage
1. Search the forum there&#
..@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of tom poisal
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:03 PM
To: sprinklerforum
Subject: boat storage
Ii have a in rack boat storage facility, 4 stories, I am thinking that ESFR
16.8 for 12 spkrs however I am not sure what to use as a density, flr to flr
is 20' - 4 racks p
May 3, 2010 at 1:02 PM, tom poisal wrote:
> Ii have a in rack boat storage facility, 4 stories, I am thinking that ESFR
> 16.8 for 12 spkrs however I am not sure what to use as a density, flr to flr
> is 20' - 4 racks per floor, just go for the rated flow/psi per head
Ii have a in rack boat storage facility, 4 stories, I am thinking that ESFR
16.8 for 12 spkrs however I am not sure what to use as a density, flr to flr
is 20' - 4 racks per floor, just go for the rated flow/psi per head ?
Tom Poisal
-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
Willis
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:34 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
>last racked marina fire I heard about could be seen from 20 miles away.
>Whrah Roland
I would like to add to this.. Most of the pictures of
>last racked marina fire I heard about could be seen from 20 miles
>away. Whrah
>Roland
I would like to add to this.. Most of the pictures of the damage I found on
these were taken from the air. Some of the "secondary" effects were across
the bays, water not building type.
R/
Matt
Matthew
There are several items mentioned I'd likely to comment on.
1. As soon as someone shows me a hangar that stacks their planes in
racks, I'll consider it as a starting point.
2. Fire modeling is not a useful tool for defining SUPPRESSION criteria.
3. Many racks also provide the roof support,
.pr...@ch2m.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:00 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
I've dealt with aircraft hangers and tire storage where HEF was used or
proposed to be used. The area has to contain the foam to the level above the
hazard in order to extingui
>
>
> not many, if ANY
> had legs to last
> above the WTC impacts, yes?
>
> that was a failure...
if you consider where the stairs could have been
and where they were.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Todd Williams wrote:
>
>> The reason that 90+% of the occupants of the twin towers got
nklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
Well aircraft hangers that I see are often left open. I drive past the MSP
hangers once in a while and especially in summer they are usually open.
When I worked at an airport in the early 90's C-5A and C-130 were almost
always open duri
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:54 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
Well aircraft hangers that I see are ofte
rg
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
Might be possible of the storage area were completely closed but most are
open sided. In that scenario, HEF is of little value.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, S
@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
When this came up years ago, someone suggested High Expansion Foam. Does your
response to the customer have to be inexpensive too? It can protect airplanes 3
dimensionally, with fuel and enclosed compartments. Not too different from boats
C. Burton Ford
Subject: Boat Storage
what bothers me is a client has come to us,
asked us to protect his product, and we throw
are hands up.
we should offer him something. Completely indemnify yourself,
but to say there is "nothing" that can protect boats
when we just got through glorifying spr
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
In the back of the FPRF report, there is a list of marina and boat storage
fires. Some are rack buildings.
Interestingly, I was talking to one of my local marina's about a shed where
they store 30+ ft boats for the winter. In addition to sprinklers at the roof,
I sugges
In the back of the FPRF report, there is a list
of marina and boat storage fires. Some are rack buildings.
Interestingly, I was talking to one of my local
marina's about a shed where they store 30+ ft
boats for the winter. In addition to sprinklers
at the roof, I suggested a lower netwo
structure in some fire situations? Probably.
How much did it cost? How much did it reduce the potential loss or risk?
That's what actuaries and insurance engineers are there for, USE THEM!
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 8048
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of å...
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:15 PM
To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Boat Storage
what bothers me is a client has come to us, asked
w much did it reduce the potential loss or risk?
That's what actuaries and insurance engineers are there for, USE THEM!
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
Subject: Boat Storage
we should offe
ail: chr...@sentryfiremn.com
Mail: P.O. Box 69
Waverly, MN 55390
Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
Waverly, MN 55390
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Wedn
2009 9:45 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Boat Storage
Four people died in the fire I am referring to. On September 7, 1982,
an early-morning fire at a textile plant in Washington killed four
members of the National Spinning Company fire brigade.
Joe
craig.pr...@ch2m.com wrote:
>
what bothers me is a client has come to us,
asked us to protect his product, and we throw
are hands up.
we should offer him something. Completely indemnify yourself,
but to say there is "nothing" that can protect boats
when we just got through glorifying sprinklers in
compartments, don't float.
...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joe Hankins
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:45 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Boat Storage
Four people died in the fire I am referring to. On September 7, 1982,
an early-morning fire at a textile plant in Washington killed four
members of the
riginal Message-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joe Hankins
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:45 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Boat Storage
Four people died in the fire I am referring to. On Se
-
From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:20 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
Given a properly designed, installed and maintained sprinkler syst
to design one for the types of boat
storage that now exist.
Joe
Chris Cahill wrote:
Given a properly designed, installed and maintained sprinkler system.
Do exits matter? How many cases do we have of a bedroom catching on fire
where the sleeping occupant wakes up from getting wet or in the r
9
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
http://www.ch2m.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:20 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Boat Storag
m-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:08 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Boat Storage
> And hey if it's properly sprinklered (to an
>extent) fire protection en
And hey if it's properly sprinklered (to an
extent) fire protection engineering is a marginal concern.
Curious comment. Care to expand on that?
Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, Connecticut
www.fpdc.com
860.535.2080
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klerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:23 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Boat Storage
There are plenty of old abandoned boats around that could probably be
had for testing. (I
y criteria..
Roland
On Jan 15, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Russell wrote:
I remember that not long ago this forum discussed the protection for
boat
storage facilities and it proved to be quite a problem. Has anyone
come up
with a satisfactory design for this type commodity/storage
arrangement? I'm
remember that not long ago this forum discussed the protection for
boat
storage facilities and it proved to be quite a problem. Has anyone
come up
with a satisfactory design for this type commodity/storage
arrangement? I'm
looking to bid such.
Russell Rewis
Brown Automatic Sprinklers
: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:41 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Boat Storage
Russell, There was an interesting artical in summer 2004 Sprinkler
Quarterly. Titled Storage of Boats. Written by Kenneth Isman PE
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From: Russell
Sender: sprinkler
Thanks all for the response. I read the article by Mr. Isman and found it to
be very informative and in agreement with everyone else that the problem is
a large one and very much still is unresolved. The Fire Protection and
Research Foundation report I'll have to take home tonight to study over. An
...@norredfire.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
m...@markeckard.com
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 2:41 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Boat Storage
Russell, There was an interesting
wrote:
> I remember that not long ago this forum discussed the protection for boat
> storage facilities and it proved to be quite a problem. Has anyone come up
> with a satisfactory design for this type commodity/storage arrangement? I'm
> looking to bid such.
>
>
&g
Russell, There was an interesting artical in summer 2004 Sprinkler Quarterly.
Titled Storage of Boats. Written by Kenneth Isman PE
--Original Message--
From: Russell
Sender: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
To: AFSA
ReplyTo: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Boat Storage
seen anything in this industry, but I'm usually the last to
know. Fortunately, mine are stacked one high.
At 02:56 PM 1/15/2009, you wrote:
I remember that not long ago this forum discussed the protection for boat
storage facilities and it proved to be quite a problem. Has anyone come
I remember that not long ago this forum discussed the protection for boat
storage facilities and it proved to be quite a problem. Has anyone come up
with a satisfactory design for this type commodity/storage arrangement? I'm
looking to bid such.
Russell Rewis
Brown Automatic Sprin
Do not assume that High Ex Foam can be used to protect this type of
storage. When researching protection requirements for this type of boat
storage almost all of the High Ex foam manufactures noted in writing
that High Ex is not listed for rack storage of boats and neither is
AFFF. You can not go
Money and politics?
glc
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:16 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: boat storage
No offense intended as I am probably the least of men on this forum
Back in April I attended a meeting of the New England Chapter of ASCET which
was held at FM Global's test laboratory and during our tour which included a
live fire demonstration we saw that they were bringing in boats to conduct
fire test on them. We didn't get to see those tests but I am sur
Because tragedy evokes response. Look how many municipalities had
outrageous water tap fees and sprinkler maintenance fees and have since
either completely repealed them or greatly reduced them after the
Charleston tragedy.
Same deal with the boat storage. Until something makes the 6:00 news
Cantonment, FL 32533
850-937-1850
Fax: 850-937-1852
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Drucker
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:57 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: boat storage
Craig,
Ever heard the saying, "Code Book
Craig,
Ever heard the saying, "Code Books are History Books written in Blood" ?
That defines reactive thinking.
As far as boat storage goes, or for that matter any building or
structure, the public expects the fire department to save lives and
preserve property. While the fire service
2:49 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: boat storage
Because at this point in time the philosophy is to build a cheap
structure and rake in money. Add Hi X foam would add a tremendous amount
of money to the structure with the huge open doors that are open almost
all of the time that wou
D] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:11 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: boat storage
Let's have a philosophy discussion.
The aspect of risk and whether a fire will start is an aspect
influencing performance based BUILDING design and codes issu
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Subject: Re: boat storage
The issue is not boats in a berth sitting in the water. That one is
simple since it is just a building covering a low level of storage.
He is asking about boats stored on racks several levels high. It's a
nasty item. No contractor in their
problem but not solid enough
to capture much heat (also they use to do the same under a big
diameter pipe)? Maybe a flat, solid barrier. Don't see many boat
storage racks incorporating them.
AT least the boat storage folks seem to be a bunch of individuals
fumbling in the dark verses a larg
Don't see many boat
storage racks incorporating them.
AT least the boat storage folks seem to be a bunch of individuals
fumbling in the dark verses a large industry knowingly embracing bad
fire protection (and who effectively blocked changes to 13 on the
floor of a annual technical s
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Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:41 PM
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Subject: boat storage
I know this subject has been thoroughly abused so let's try a
different
angle.
Does anyone know of any successful saves due t
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: boat storage
Because at this point in time the philosop
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:49 PM
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Because at this point in time the philosophy is to build a cheap structure
and rake in money. Add Hi X foam would add a tremendous amount of money to
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:52 PM
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Subject: RE: boat storage
Thom, I'm with you on this Hi_X! . I suggested it last time we had this
discussion and got no nibbles
on my bait. I'd like to see so
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Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: boat storage
I have always thought that this is a storage configuration that beg
ng none the less.)
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
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