Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Stephen Hope
In my part of Australia, we have a speed limit that applies to every non-rural street that is not specifically signed as being another speed - basically case (b) below. The wording used in the law is built up area. (In practice, the test for a built up area seems to be does it have street

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com wrote: hi, currently there is a discussion on the german list about tagging speed limits respectively different zones. as there are implied also other things than maxspeed there are proposed three default zones, derived

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Hi, recently we've had the same discussion in Czech list. The conclusion was to use 'place' for tagging areas where city speed limits apply. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place The place key can also apply to an area (area) drawn around the perimeter of the place. It not specified

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread MP
a) motorway: that's very clear, therea are no or very high limits. b) city areas with limited speed and some restrictions c) everything else, mostly out of town. In Czech republic there are different rules for motorways inside city area (maxspeed=80) and outside (maxspeed=130). So case d)

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Mario Salvini
MP schrieb: a) motorway: that's very clear, therea are no or very high limits. b) city areas with limited speed and some restrictions c) everything else, mostly out of town. In Czech republic there are different rules for motorways inside city area (maxspeed=80) and outside

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Hi, I would like to ask about the proposed feature 'trafficzone'. If I understand it right, it proposes to add a tag to _every_ highway and _every_ road in the city. I'm afraid that this solution is highly redundant in the amount of information and therefore it's likely that someone will forgot

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:59:05AM +0100, Radomir Cernoch wrote: In the Czech list we ended up with the following solution, which tries to copy the legislation (which is a good starting point, I guess): 1) Every road is by default 'rural' road (speed limit 90 km/h). 2) Every highway has

[OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Jehan Pagès
Hi all, my name is Jehan. I am currently making a world tour. Making lastly a small part of my trip with some Mozilla guys (you can see me here: http://blogs.mozilla-europe.org/?post/2009/04/30/The-end-of-the-MECT-09 ), as they were recording the trip for Open Street Map, they gave me the idea to

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Peter Childs
2009/5/20 Jacek Konieczny jaj...@jajcus.net: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:59:05AM +0100, Radomir Cernoch wrote: In the Czech list we ended up with the following solution, which tries to copy the legislation (which is a good starting point, I guess): 1) Every road is by default 'rural' road

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread MP
I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?) some definition file that will specify these per-country default limits in some machine-readable way? This could look like this: country(cz) { maxspeed=90 (highway=motorway|trunk) { maxspeed=130 foot=no bicycle=no }

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:07:46PM +0100, Radomir Cernoch wrote: Ok, I see the problem. Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding: In Poland the speed is restricted in the built up zone or in place? There is a set of general restrictions for built up zones and there are no general

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 20 de Mayo de 2009, Jehan Pagès escribió: Hi all, Hi, Jehan, Maybe this question should go better in the newbies list rather than in the general one. Please have this in mind for other questions you might have. So I bought a GPSMap 60 CSx. Currently I configured it with the

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Jehan Pagès
Hi again, an additionnal question. As I said, I won't take time to use a computer, so I won't edit my own tracks, just upload them. But sometimes I may go down from the bike, use small foot only roads, etc. and I don't switch off the GPS. So it is in the uploaded tracks. Is it a big problem? Or

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Jehan Pagès wrote: Sent: 20 May 2009 12:50 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor Hi all, my name is Jehan. I am currently making a world tour. Making lastly a small part of my trip with some Mozilla guys (you can see me here:

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Jehan Pagès wrote: Sent: 20 May 2009 1:24 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor Hi again, an additionnal question. As I said, I won't take time to use a computer, so I won't edit my own tracks, just upload them. But sometimes I may go down

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread MP
Could we not have different polygons for Speed Limited Zones. That may or may not be the same as the city limits. We could even tag these zones with maxspeed, So that when applying we don't have to go and look up what that means. The problem is if the zones overlap, which one applies?

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Chris Hill
A safe and fairly reliable way is to run your GPS from NiMH rechargeable batteries. You can recharge these with a charger run from your bike electrics, or from the mains when you have it. It doesn't risk your GPS and it allows you to take the GPS off on foot. Cheers, Chris Jehan Pags wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread MP
Well, we can have layering (layer=-5 ... 5) like for any other tags, so we could have small zone with different limits within one large zone. For clashes with default rules from place=... and alike, we can define some rules of precedence (speed limits on individual ways have highest

[OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomír Černoch
MP píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 14:41 +0200: Could we not have different polygons for Speed Limited Zones. That may  or may not be the same as the city limits. We could even tag these  zones with maxspeed, So that when applying we don't have to go and  look up what that means. The problem is

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 02:16:05PM +0200, MP wrote: I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?) some definition file that will specify these per-country default limits in some machine-readable way? This could look like this: country(cz) { maxspeed=90 (highway=motorway|trunk) {

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town? - b orders are different

2009-05-20 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 20 May 2009 12:00:31 +0200, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: a) motorway: that's very clear, therea are no or very high limits. b) city areas with limited speed and some restrictions c) everything else, mostly out of town. In Czech republic there are different rules for motorways

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Maarten Deen
Peter Childs wrote: Speed limits tend to apply to zones not roads anyway, it just happens that most people only drive on the road. Oh and you will find Speed I disagree. How would you define the zone in this example?

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Greg Troxel
In my part of Australia, we have a speed limit that applies to every non-rural street that is not specifically signed as being another speed - basically case (b) below. The wording used in the law is built up area. (In practice, the test for a built up area seems to be does it have

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:16:05 +0200, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?) some definition file that will specify these per-country default limits in some machine-readable way? I already empoly such a schema in Traveling Salesman:

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/ outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread marcus.wolschon
On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:04:36 +0100, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: MP píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 14:16 +0200: I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?) some definition file that will specify these per-country default limits in some machine-readable way? Yes, surely! My

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:04:36 +0100, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: MP píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 14:16 +0200: I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?) some definition file that will specify these

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Hi, if only I knew that the idea would arouse so intense emotions! Ok, now I know that I should be more careful with the word semantic next time. Andy Allan píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 14:48 +0100: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 May 2009

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, if only I knew that the idea would arouse so intense emotions! Ok, now I know that I should be more careful with the word semantic next time. Heh. It's mainly that I have a reflexive preference for

[OSM-talk] 50 Days to SOTM 2009

2009-05-20 Thread Mike Collinson
If you are coming, you can twitter, email or shout about SOTM, using this new neat little link: http://bit.ly/2TDMvPhttp://bit.ly/2TDMvP ... or click it to register your place now. Mike State Of The Map 2009 The 3rd International OpenStreetMap Conference Amsterdam, July 10th-12th 209

[OSM-talk] Map rendering

2009-05-20 Thread Mike Ryan
Hi All I'm trying to render some maps of my local area, and I followed the notes here: http://www.use-it.be/europe/docs/OSMmanual/ At the end, it says that you can remove features, by removing the rules from osm-map-features-z17.xml file. However, when I took out pubs, for example, they're still

Re: [OSM-talk] Hello from a probably new contributor

2009-05-20 Thread Niklas Cholmkvist
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In Thessaloniki, have you tried the free wifi spot in Kamara? (by the Municipality of Thessaloniki) I've not yet used wifi, so I don't know if that spot works. It's the one marked as free wifi spot:

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 09:05:45PM +0100, Radomir Cernoch wrote: By traffic zone you mean a tag zone=XXX on each individual road in the city? I'm afraid that such system is very prone to forgotten tags. If you use a polygon around a city, you can also derive the source of the speed limit.

Re: [OSM-talk] Satellite for OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Joe Richards
Where did this idea go in the end? It seems the talk about it petered-out, or was some action agreed (along with who was going to undertake it)? On 18 May 2009, at 13:36, MP singular...@gmail.com wrote: In addition to actively pursuing further experiments for the MOD and BNSC, the consortium

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Lennard
Radomir Cernoch wrote: The idea is not to create a node here starts city and a node here ends the city. The idea is to create a polygon which defines the border of 50 km/h speed limit. The problem of forgotten end node, which causes cities to leak all over the planet, does not apply. Now we

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Lennard píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 00:01 +0200: Don't focus on the highway-in-city bit. Focus on the $random_road_type with a different maxspeed bridges over (or tunnels under) a zone with another maxspeed bit. You'll have two zone polygons overlaying each other. No, 'maxspeed' tag on a road

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Greg Troxel
I find this talk of overlapping polygons a bit boggling. Things seem far simpler: roads with an explicit speed tag use that tag. This represents the situation where the road has a sign and that's been entered. roads in a city center polygon that don't have a tag inherit from the

[OSM-talk] (no subject)

2009-05-20 Thread Ben Dauphinee
I have found a lot of sources of map data after having a chat with the GIS guy at my workplace. I am curious if anyone can offer some suggestions or help me determine if this data can be imported to OSM. If so, can anyone help out getting this done?

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Andy Allan: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 May 2009 14:04:36 +0100, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: MP píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 14:16 +0200: I wonder, can we have at some place (wiki?)

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Greg Troxel píše v St 20. 05. 2009 v 18:32 -0400: I find this talk of overlapping polygons a bit boggling. Things seem far simpler: roads with an explicit speed tag use that tag. This represents the situation where the road has a sign and that's been entered. roads in a city

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Jacek Konieczny: That would not work very well in Poland. Town/city/village administrative border usually differ from the built up zone borders. right. the same in germany. that's why we nedd to different zones: one like zone:traffic=... for speed limits and

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Radomir Cernoch: Hi, I would like to ask about the proposed feature 'trafficzone'. If I understand it right, it proposes to add a tag to _every_ highway and _every_ road in the city. I'm afraid that this solution is highly redundant in the amount of

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Peter Childs: 2009/5/20 Jacek Konieczny jaj...@jajcus.net: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:59:05AM +0100, Radomir Cernoch wrote: In the Czech list we ended up with the following solution, which tries to copy the legislation (which is a good starting point, I

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town? - borders are different

2009-05-20 Thread Guenther Meyer
Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com: I would like everyone to realise, that we are talking about 3 _different_ city-limits: a) the large administrative area that belongs to the city b) the area that has the given place in postal addresses c) the smaller area where

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Cartinus
On Thursday 21 May 2009 00:30:13 Radomir Cernoch wrote: However it's important to notice that two polygons can never overlap (unless there is a futuristic city with zone-30 area flying in the air above a 130 km/h highway). Now we have an urban area, with a circular road with maxspeed=50, and

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Guenther Meyer píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 00:51 +0200: Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Jacek Konieczny: That would not work very well in Poland. Town/city/village administrative border usually differ from the built up zone borders. right. the same in germany. that's why we nedd to different

[OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: zones for motorway/in town/outof town?]

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Guenther Meyer píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 00:49 +0200: Am Wednesday 20 May 2009 schrieb Radomir Cernoch: ...but you would need some kind of gis database/functions to evaluate the polygon data. the easy way of reading just keys and values like with most of the other features in the osm

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread MP
...but you would need some kind of gis database/functions to evaluate the polygon data. the easy way of reading just keys and values like with most of the other features in the osm database would not be possible. for more advanced use of OSM data you need function in which polygons does

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Cartinus píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 01:01 +0200: It is completely possible for a village ringroad on a bridge (highway=primary or secondary) to have a maxspeed of 80 km/h due to being outside the build-up zone, not because there is a sign on it that says 80 km/h. It is also possible at the

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Lennard
Radomir Cernoch wrote: Don't focus on the highway-in-city bit. Focus on the $random_road_type with a different maxspeed bridges over (or tunnels under) a zone with another maxspeed bit. You'll have two zone polygons overlaying each other. No, 'maxspeed' tag on a road does not imply a

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomir Cernoch
Lennard píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 01:51 +0200: Radomir Cernoch wrote: Don't focus on the highway-in-city bit. Focus on the $random_road_type with a different maxspeed bridges over (or tunnels under) a zone with another maxspeed bit. You'll have two zone polygons overlaying each other.

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Teemu Koskinen
On Thu, 21 May 2009 03:13:06 +0300, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: Lennard píše v Čt 21. 05. 2009 v 01:51 +0200: Radomir Cernoch wrote: No, 'maxspeed' tag on a road does not imply a polygon with zone! There can be both in one place. Tag 'maxspeed' on a road is dominant

[OSM-talk] Revert changes/bug in changeset?

2009-05-20 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
Can somebody look into reverting way 33136730 and 33136657. They seem to have been buggy (only 3 nodes visible out of many) and whan I did an update of relations connected to these roads, they was updated with the version I had on my computer (no changes should have been done to the ways).

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Radomír Černoch
2009/5/21 Teemu Koskinen teemu.koski...@mbnet.fi: On Thu, 21 May 2009 03:13:06 +0300, Radomir Cernoch radomir.cern...@gmail.com wrote: We are seeking a situation, where two large areas with road networks overlap each other on a map. All streets in one area must have a different speed limit

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-20 Thread Per
Radomir Cernoch wrote: We are seeking a situation, where two large areas with road networks overlap each other on a map. All streets in one area must have a different speed limit from streets in the second area. In such a situation, using maxspeed=* tag on any street must be inappropriate.

Re: [Talk-it] blog openstreetmap

2009-05-20 Thread Alessandro De Noia
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 20:09 +0200, Simone Cortesi wrote: ciao, ho aggiornato il software che gira sotto al blogse notate qualcosa di strano fatemi sapere. e se volete partecipare alla scritturafatemi sapere ancora di piu'. Ciao Simone, hai ricevuto la mia mail in cui ti

Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura

2009-05-20 Thread Federico Cozzi
2009/5/20 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: B. secondo me il cartografo non descrive la realtà, ma la interpreta. Cioè non si limita a riprodurre in maniera oggettiva la realtà (anche se in scala ridotta), ma la modifica in modo da renderla più fruibile all'utente. Per questo motivo

Re: [Talk-it] Sentieri CAI

2009-05-20 Thread Stefano Salvador
Ho notato che alcuni sentieri (es [1]) risultano fortemente frammentati (singoli segmenti con i punti di inizio e fine non in comune con i segmenti precedenti e seguenti, quindi un sacco di punti duplicati e fine ways vicino altre ways) con relazioni da 500+ elementi. Inoltre validator rileva

[Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread alberto
Salve a tutti. Cercando dati per inserire i centri abitati ho trovato questo eccellente strumento (1) messo a disposizione da GFOSS.it. Mi sembrava la soluzione a tutti i miei problemi, ma quando chiedo di salvare il file OSM mi da quasi sempre questo errore: * Errore: *Impossibile scaricare i

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 20 maggio 2009 10.26, alberto albertobon...@libero.it ha scritto: Salve a tutti. Cercando dati per inserire i centri abitati ho trovato questo eccellente strumento (1) messo a disposizione da GFOSS.it. Mi sembrava la soluzione a tutti i miei problemi, ma quando chiedo di salvare il file

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread alberto
Luca Delucchi ha scritto: questi dati sono già stati inseriti su osm, perciò le modifiche effettuate su osm dovrebbero essere dei miglioramenti dei dati di GFOSS. Le località principali sicuramente, ma io trovo tantissimi centri abitati che sono sul database GFOSS ed ISTAT ma non su

Re: [Talk-it] Sentieri CAI

2009-05-20 Thread iiizio iiizio
2009/5/20 Stefano Salvador stefano.salva...@gmail.com: Rimane poi il problema delle 500+ ways (singoli segmenti) che compongono la relazione. Vanno selezionati uno ad uno e uniti con Combine ways o c'è un metodo più efficiente? l'unico altro modo che mi viene in mente è quello di cancellarle

Re: [Talk-it] Sentieri CAI

2009-05-20 Thread Stefano Salvador
No, non ti chiedo di rifare tutto da capo grazie ;-) speravo solamente che qualcuno conoscesse un metodo rapido in josm per selezionare tutte le ways di una relazione. non che io sappia ... Ho postato prima di procedere per sapere se il metodo (fix dei punti duplicati e combine dei vari

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Stefano Salvador
se ne era parlato qui: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2008-November/004375.html Errore: *Impossibile scaricare i dati OpenStreetMap dal server XAPI: probabilmente non è stato aggiornato l'applicativo alle nuove api. Ciao, Stefano

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:26:52AM +0200, alberto wrote: Cercando dati per inserire i centri abitati ho trovato questo eccellente strumento (1) messo a disposizione da GFOSS.it. Ciao, rispondo in quanto sono l'autore della pagina [1], nonché il curatore dell'acquisto dei dati ISTAT con

Re: [Talk-it] Sentieri CAI

2009-05-20 Thread Simone Cortesi
2009/5/20 iiizio iiizio iiizio.iii...@gmail.com: No, non ti chiedo di rifare tutto da capo, speravo solamente che qualcuno conoscesse un metodo rapido in josm per selezionare tutte le ways di una relazione. attiva il tool delle relation (quello con l'ingranaggio) selezioni la relation che ti

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread alberto
Niccolo Rigacci ha scritto: Ciao, rispondo in quanto sono l'autore della pagina [1], nonché il curatore dell'acquisto dei dati ISTAT con relativa liberatoria d'uso. Contrariamente a quanto detto da Luca i dati NON sono gli stessi caricati a suo tempo in OSM (gli 8101 comuni capoluogo),

Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura

2009-05-20 Thread Cristian Testa
- Original Message - From: Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com To: openstreetmap list - italiano talk-it@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura Non sono d'accordo. Decenni di mappe stradali cartacee hanno mostrato la

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 20 maggio 2009 11.20, Niccolo Rigacci o...@rigacci.org ha scritto: Contrariamente a quanto detto da Luca i dati NON sono gli stessi caricati a suo tempo in OSM (gli 8101 comuni capoluogo), sono bensì le località Istat, un database molto più dettagliato di oltre 75000 record. scusate non

Re: [Talk-it] Sentieri CAI

2009-05-20 Thread iiizio iiizio
On 5/20/09, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: attiva il tool delle relation (quello con l'ingranaggio) selezioni la relation che ti interessa. modifica nella meta' sotto dai crtl+a (seleziona tutti i membri) chiudi con la X ora in selezione corrente hai selezionate tutte le way della

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:26:52AM +0200, alberto wrote: * Errore: *Impossibile scaricare i dati OpenStreetMap dal server XAPI: In effetti pare che tutti i server XAPI siano fermi, almeno adesso. Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa? Ad ogni modo ho aggiunto una funzione su [1], adesso è possibile

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 20 maggio 2009 12.05, Niccolo Rigacci o...@rigacci.org ha scritto: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:26:52AM +0200, alberto wrote: * Errore: *Impossibile scaricare i dati OpenStreetMap dal server XAPI: In effetti pare che tutti i server XAPI siano fermi, almeno adesso. Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa?

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread alberto
Niccolo Rigacci ha scritto: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:26:52AM +0200, alberto wrote: * Errore: *Impossibile scaricare i dati OpenStreetMap dal server XAPI: In effetti pare che tutti i server XAPI siano fermi, almeno adesso. Qualcuno ne sa qualcosa? Ad ogni modo ho aggiunto una

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:50:53PM +0200, Luca Delucchi wrote: potrebbe essere che bisogna aggiornare alla versione 0.6 [0]? l'unica aggiornata e che so per certo che funziona è informationfreeway Avevo già aggiornato l'url, uso uno dei seguenti (scelti con una funzione random):

[Talk-it] Il Gps ha solo dodici mesi di vita

2009-05-20 Thread iiizio iiizio
L'allarme del Gao: ritardo negli investimenti, i navigatori satellitari smetteranno di funzionare http://www.lastampa.it/_web/cmstp/tmplrubriche/tecnologia/grubrica.asp?ID_blog=30ID_articolo=6205ID_sezione=38sezione=News Dobbiamo sbrigarci a mappare :D iiizio

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread alberto
Niccolo Rigacci ha scritto: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 01:42:20PM +0200, alberto wrote: Una funzionalità molto interessante, per avere un controllo maggiore, sarebbe la possibilità definire un perimetro entro il quale importare i dati In che senso? I dati estratti dal

Re: [Talk-it] Centri abitati Istat per OSM

2009-05-20 Thread Federico Cozzi
2009/5/20 alberto albertobon...@libero.it: Faccio un esempio : riporta gli abitanti di ogni località attualizzati al censimento 2001. Un aggiornamento automatico di questo dato in futuro sarebbe una cosa bellissima.. Mi sembra che ogni località importata dai dati ISTAT / GFoss sia provvista

Re: [Talk-it] blog openstreetmap

2009-05-20 Thread Simone Cortesi
2009/5/20 Alessandro De Noia alessandro.den...@gmail.com: Ciao Simone, hai ricevuto la mia mail in cui ti comunicavo il cambio indirizzo del blog? ti ho anche risposto, ho aggiornato il tuo URL. ho anche risposto per le tracce del tuo conoscente in libano. -- -S

Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura

2009-05-20 Thread Federico Cozzi
2009/5/20 Cristian Testa testa.crist...@tiscali.it: Non sono invece per niente d'accordo sul fatto che OSM inteso come geodatabase debba già in partenza basarsi su una delle visualizzazioni possibili. Per cosa poi? Risparmiare un paio di parametri che aiuterebbero in una migliore definizione

Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura

2009-05-20 Thread Federico Cozzi
2009/5/20 Cristian Testa testa.crist...@tiscali.it: Infatti, e sono pienamente d'accordo con te in proposito tranne che per una cosa: la fruibilità di una mappa da parte di un utente la definisce l'utente stesso; il cartografo si limita a tradurre la realtà oggettiva in una che soddisfi le

Re: [Talk-it] blog openstreetmap

2009-05-20 Thread Alessandro De Noia
ho anche risposto per le tracce del tuo conoscente in libano. -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Non so se sia Evolution, ma ogni tanto si perde qualche email (questa la

Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura

2009-05-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/20 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: si, pero noi non siamo facendo una mappa ma un geodatabase aperto, che permette di creare varie mappe, il cartografo OSM invece è quello che renderizza una mappa con questi dati. Lui è la persona chi generalizza e seleziona. Vorrei sfatare questo

Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura

2009-05-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/20 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com: segnaletica_orizzontale=presente hm, presente? Probabilmente meglio continuo, interrotto, muro, ecc. Avevo fatto la proposta di una relazione allo scopo di descrivere le divisioni (solo sulla ML tedesca): l'idea è di mappare i way (ove necessario)

[Talk-it] mappa escursionistica

2009-05-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
la mappa escursionisitica di NOP è stato steso, adesso copre anche tutta l'Austria, e quindi anche i lati italiani al nord: http://topo.geofabrik.de/?zoom=10lat=46.51798lon=11.57747layers=BT Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-it] Dati provincia di Bologna

2009-05-20 Thread Paolo Molaro
On 05/17/09 Carlo Stemberger wrote: Il 17/05/2009 19:26, Paolo Molaro ha scritto: Per quanto mi riguarda, in genere non e' necessario un documento scritto, ma nel caso particolare di openstreetmap e' utile, perche' serve a responsabilizzare chi fa gli upload e pensarci due volte prima di

Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura

2009-05-20 Thread Cristian Testa
OSM ti permette di introdurre tutti i parametri che vorresti introdurre tu: width (est_width), lanes, maxspeed, smoothness, ecc. Mancano i dati sulle mezzerie disegnate (perché nel resto del mondo di solito non si risparmia sulla vernice per la segnaletica orizzontale) ma non sarebbe impossibile

Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura

2009-05-20 Thread Giovanni Fasano
Cristian Testa dixit: Non proprio... l'idea sarebbe: highway = primary, secondary, etc... in funzione della classificazione (SS, SR, SP, residenziale...) Il problema è che attualmente la classificazione di una strada non ha niente a che vedere con le sue caratteristiche o la sua importanza ma

Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura

2009-05-20 Thread Cristian Testa
Attualmente quello è il criterio base utilizzato per definire se una strada sia primary, secondary, ecc. La mia proposta va appunto nella direzione di dare un tag fisico per definire di che tipo di strada si parli e lasciare highway a tag logico che rispetti la classificazione stabilita dal

Re: [Talk-it] Riflessioni sulla mappatura

2009-05-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/20 Cristian Testa testa.crist...@tiscali.it: Attualmente quello è il criterio base utilizzato per definire se una strada sia primary, secondary, ecc. La mia proposta va appunto nella direzione di dare un tag fisico per definire di che tipo di strada si parli e lasciare highway a tag

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] QA with a lawyer

2009-05-20 Thread Jordan S Hatcher
On 12 May 2009, at 03:17, Peter Miller wrote: I have just concluded an email discussion with Jordan following our lawyers review of 1.0 who has answered some points but is now saying that he would need someone to pay him to answer more of them which leaves things in a rather unsatisfactory

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2

2009-05-20 Thread Sander Hoentjen
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 23:32 +0200, Lennard wrote: Theun wrote: Wel weer jammer dat vaak op een kruispunt in het midden van een dorpje waar een knooppunt is gekozen vaak ook een place-tag staat, waardoor de plaatsnaam dwars over de knooppunt-aanduiding staat. Heb je hier een paar

[OSM-talk-nl] zoekfunctie

2009-05-20 Thread samsa
Dag allemaal, Hier tussendoor even een vraag van een leek: werken jullie ook aan een zoekfunctie in OSM? Het ontbreken van die functie in OSM is voor mij vaak een reden om toch op Googlemaps te kijken. En nog een mini-opmerking over http://osm.esperconsultancy.nl: 'acties' en 'contact' beter met

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] zoekfunctie

2009-05-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hoi Sandra, Er is de namefinder op openstreetmap.org, maar ik ben het met je eens, het zou een goede functionaliteit zijn voor de Nederlandse server. Ook als alleenstaande webservice, OSMGeocoder / OSMRevGeocoder. Een +1 dus van mij :) martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+-

[OSM-talk-nl] OpenStreetMap Rheinland in Bonn, 26 mei

2009-05-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Ha alllemaal, Vanwege de relatieve nabijheid en een interessant programma plug ik hier de OSM Rheinland-bijeenkomst, volgende week woensdag op 26 mei. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_im_Rheinland_2009 Op de wiki staan weinig aanmeldingen, maar ik kreeg vandaag een mail van de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] zoekfunctie

2009-05-20 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Dat moet toch wel sosialisties zijn dan, sandra ! Soms heb ik wel heimwee naar die tijd (eind jaren 70) toen dit type spelling haar entree deed. Kontakt Elektronika Kompressor Funktioneren Simbool frekwentie kode en dekoderen kwasie simmetrisch interkom sintesizer sinchroon eksperimenteren kado

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XAPI maar dan beter

2009-05-20 Thread Rob
SQL is natuurlijk tha bomb ;) kan ik eindelijk m'n request zoek shell tankstation met restaurant binnen 50km waar ik nu rij (A2) afvuren of geef me alle Rabobank pinautomaten binnen 1km vanaf dit punt Op 20 mei 2009 03:15 heeft Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de het volgende geschreven: Jullie

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XAPI maar dan beter

2009-05-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Ja eens, die XAPI requests nu zijn veel te beperkt (en te langzaam) Martijn martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ 2009/5/20 Rob interru...@gmail.com: SQL is natuurlijk tha bomb ;) kan ik eindelijk m'n request zoek shell tankstation met restaurant binnen

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XAPI maar dan beter

2009-05-20 Thread Roeland Douma
Eindelijk :) Ik zit zelf te denken aan een combinatie. Je zou voor sommige devs best gewoon SQL willen parsen. Uiteraard braaf met een readonly acocuntje zodat niet een of andere boosdoener (of domme idioot) de hele db kan wissen, maar dat idee had je vast ook al gehad :) Maar voor veel users

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] XAPI maar dan beter

2009-05-20 Thread Roeland Douma
Tuurlijk :) Gewoon overal 42 op retourneren ;) Maar even zonder dollen wat meer semantiek in de data zou wel bruut zijn. Zal er wel even over denken wat voor brute dingen wij hiermee zouden kunnen doen :) On Wednesday 20 May 2009 13:14:39 Rob wrote: Roeland kun jij niet even een sematisch

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2

2009-05-20 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Lennard wrote: Theun wrote: Wel weer jammer dat vaak op een kruispunt in het midden van een dorpje waar een knooppunt is gekozen vaak ook een place-tag staat, waardoor de plaatsnaam dwars over de knooppunt-aanduiding staat. Heb je hier een paar voorbeelden van, zodat ik kan experimenteren?

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Openfietskaart.nl Beta 2

2009-05-20 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 19 May 2009, Theun wrote: Wel weer jammer dat vaak op een kruispunt in het midden van een dorpje waar een knooppunt is gekozen vaak ook een place-tag staat, waardoor de plaatsnaam dwars over de knooppunt-aanduiding staat. Daar valt voorlopig toch weinig tegen te doen. We kunnen

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