Terry, you wrote to Kevin: You even condemned a movie before knowing
anything about it except that it was made by a Catholic. Now,even with the
help of a trailer and a little PR, you still have very little idea of what
the movie is like because you haven't even bothered to see it before
Blaine, the number of witnesses is impressive...but the book is a fraud, so
why would anyone believe the witnesses, or even that there were witnesses.
Show up in any court in the south and say I'm a Mormon and the book of
Mormon says there were 12 witnesses, so it is true, and you will quickly
Blaine, is this old covenant or new covenant? Could things have changed
between the old and the new?
From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:37:48 -0700
Blaine: Malachi 3:-11 (Pay
Wow! In addition to the question you ask, Judy, I would like to know: DaveH
and Blaine, do you support the use of DNA evidence in criminal cases? How
does your belief apply to the statement below?
Perry
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The link below is a realplayer video called DNA vs. The Book of Mormon.
http://www.mormonchallenge.com/newmc/view.html
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Subject: [TruthTalk] DNA Evidence Discourages Mormons
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:13:10 -0500
, than by any other book.'
-Intro- Book of Mormon
Do you disagree, DaveH?
Perry
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 22:35:58 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH, what is the most perfect
Blaine,
You said, This is simple wisdom--As the Lord says, My wisdom is greater
than the cunning of the devil. Since we do not all accept the same books,
or use the same translations, can you please give a reference when you post
a quote?
Thanks,
Perry
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.
THE AUTHOR.
Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Blaine,
You said, This is simple wisdom--As the Lord says, My wisdom is greater
than the cunning of the devil. Since we do not all accept the same books,
or use the same translations, can you please give a reference when you post
a quote
DaveH, what is the most perfect book ever written?
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Inerrant Bible
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 21:04:21 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
which translation is correct?
DAVEH: Don't you mean to ask,
For The Record
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Graven images [loGic]
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:59:03 -0500
OK, I've gotta know: What does ftr mean
vincent j.fulton
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Blaine, tithing is not a new testament practice. It was part of the Jewish
economy that provided for the priests who kept the temple. It is interesting
that reaching LDS godhood, making it into the celestial LDS kingdom, and
even getting to go inside the LDS temple is based on whether or not
Bill,
Thank you for taking the time to answer Judy's post with such a detailed response. Although I, too, believe that Jesus said, "My God, My God, what haveyou forsaken me?" to bring Psalm 22 to the minds of those present at the cross, and toour mindsthrough the scriptures, the question
Blaine, here is another interesting find:
TX STATE INFOCRYPTIC COPPER PLATES-TREAS CLUE?/WILSON TT DEC 71 58
TT is True Treasure Magazine
Perry
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Blaine,
We have discussed on the group the fact that there is no archaeological
evidence of early Hebrew civilizations in the Americas. However, I was
searching an extensive index of treasure related magazines and found the
following entry:
TYPE TITLE/AUTHOR
Terry wrote: I was also raised in Kentucky and can verify that there was
an old Hebrew living there at the time. Mystery solved!
But, Terry, the coin is from the second century. I doubt that you were there
back then...but I could be mistaken! VBG
I found an article that says a farmer in
Terry wrote: As He finishes praying, a large snake crawls up to him and He
stomps on it's head. At that point, I was ready to walk out...
I am sure this scene, although not in the Gospels, refers to God's
chastisement of the serpent in Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between
thee and the
, the Celts, etc. visited or
even set up trading posts in the Americas earlier than 2000 years ago.
Finding a Hebrew coin in America is interesting, but not
precedent-setting.
vince
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Terry wrote: I was also raised
that adorn the LDS temples and look at their Masonic and their occultic meanings. But, that might prove boring fior the group since I have already covered this topic with DavidM, a while back, perhaps before you came back to TT.
Perry
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Blaine, ifan LDS member does not tithe, can that one get a temple recommend? Can that oneenter the celestial kingdom? Can that one enter godhood?Perry
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [TruthTalk] Kingdom Come
Date:
images
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:42:43 -0700
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:44:09 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Blaineand DavidM,
Can help me to understand the following?
Exodus 20:4 states the second of the commandments: " Thou shalt
n
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Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH, how do you think Jesus came into a locked room?
DAVEH: I don't know the exact answer, Perry. However, how do you suppose
Jesus got his physically resurrected body (of flesh and bone) out of the
sepulcher? Perhaps he entered the locked room
grace equation?
I'm going to stop my email now and get back to work.Which is what I should have been doing the whole time. :|
thanks,
CB
Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
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Sent: Tuesday, February 24
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cpl: Revelation is not disallowed.Many experience personal revelation through the Holy Spirit. We Christians admit that God can give new revelation if and when he pleases. But, we have no reasion to believe that he has, because of the many
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Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual
Realities
From: Blaine Borrowman
cpl: Revelation is not disallowed. Many experience personal
revelation through the Holy Spirit. We Christians admit
DaveH, how do you think Jesus came into a locked room? You are flesh and
bones, can you enter a locked room without opening the door, or hurting
yourself or the door? Fess up! There are things about the spiritual body of
Christ that we just do not understand. Maybe he is a 4-dimensional being
Blaine and DavidM,
Can help me to understand the following?
Exodus 20:4 states the second of the commandments: Thou shalt not make
unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven
above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the
earth.
Blaine,
Below is an email I sent to a Mormon friend in American Fork about 10
years ago. It is on the same topic we are currently discussing. Interesting
how things go around, isn't it.
Perry
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John,
You offered the following challenge:
1) You cannot
DavidH,
You said "I admit to being a sinner in need of salvation." Aren't thewho are in need of salvation loast? Isn't itthose who have been saved that are no longer lost?Perry
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From: "Blaine Borrowman"
To Kevin:Sometimes I even called it the TCBS, for brevity's sake.Either way, it sends the much needed message that all is not well in Modern Christianity. I keep getting hints that I should change my religion and adopt Christian beliefs.If I were to do that, here is
G,Jn 10:34 states "is it not written that ye are gods". The LDS use this as a prooftext for godhood. Yet "is it notwritten" most likely refers to Psalm 82, which states that although they who sit in judgement for God are called "gods", they are indeed still mere men. Thus, the term 'gods' refers
versus the
contemporary Jewish mindset)...
(good conversation, CP..let 'er roll:)
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:06:02 -0800 "Charles Perry Locke"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
G, Jn 10:34 states "is it not written that ye are gods"...
Take off on a romantic wee
Moroni in heaven above?
Thanks,
Perry
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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:40:08 -0800
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Elextech,
Welcome to truthtalk. Are you new to the group, or have you been lurking
for a while, or are you an old timer returned to TT? Do you have a name you
would like to be called, or is Elextech what you prefer?
Anyway, I could not agree with you more on your response. But, according
Blaine, (and DavidH, too) can you please explain this to me? Let me know if
I am wrong in some way.
Jesus and you are brothers. Spirit brothers before either of you had earthly
bodies.
You now have an earthly body. You want to become a god. One of the
requirements for your becoming a god is
Blaine, (and anyone else who cares to comment on it)
I have heard that JS had a gun that someone smuggled in to him, and that
he took a few shots himself. Is this true? If so, it kills the martyr theory
because those who shoot back aren't martyrs, they are gunfighters.
Of course, I guess
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:04:58 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH,
Okay, now I get it. You are here
DavidM,
Speaking only for myself, I have imagined nothing of the sort that you
described below. I do not see any evil at all in DaveH's intentions, stated
or unstated, and I do beleive that his public (politically correct and
acceptable to the TT audience) reason for being on TT is to learn
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Why would a Mormon stay on TruthTalk?
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:31:32 -0500
Perry wrote:
Speaking only for myself, I have imagined nothing of
the sort that you described below.
Just
DaveH,
I understand, David, what you are saying. I just judge your intentions by
your actions, and they have not matched your words, thats all. Maybe you are
not aware of it, but I am not the only TT'r who has figured this out.
As far as the Baptism example, I myself have spoken to you
DaveH,
Okay, now I get it. You are here to learn what Protestants believe.
Perry
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:32:19 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DaveH,
I
From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blaine: Perry's response below is another example of what I have said to
Kevin: It is the pot calling the kettle black. Why are you on TT, Perry?
I am on TT because I love to discuss and debate religous issues. And, I
often am challenged and
of the Baptist religion that all Baptists are disciples of
John
the Baptist? John had a numerous following, not all of whom became
Christians.
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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk
Nice poem, G. It sounds like it would fit well to music.
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baptist Baptism
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 10:12:13 -0700
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:32:36 -0800 Charles Perry Locke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
DAVEH: ...I admit to being a sinner in need of salvation, and have
admitted such numerous times on TT.
DaveiH, as a Christian I would say something more like, I am a sinner who
has been saved. I look at salvation as a present state, not a future state.
Are there any Christians in the TT
Wasn't John the first Baptist? Not the Apostle John, the one that was jesus'
cousin...Elizabeth Zacharias' boy.
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baptist Baptism
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 11:47:50 -0800 (PST)
Who was the
DM and DH,
What I want to know is why, after three years of asking (I guess maybe
even 4 by now), DaveH still does not know what protestants believe about the
Trinity. He once said to me in a post that he had been asking that question
for three years and still did not know the answer.
DM and DH,
What I want to know is why, after three years of asking (I guess maybe
even 4 by now), DaveH still does not know what protestants believe about the
Trinity. He once said to me in a post that he had been asking that question
for three years and still did not know the answer.
Sorry about the double post...I have an itchy trigger finger.
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:30:39 -0800
DM and DH,
What I want to know is why, after three years
Now, as for Latter Day Saints...who was the first Latter Day Saint? Couldn't
have been either Mormon or Jesus, because they are not latter day. Joseph
Smith would have to qualify, because he founded the church of latter day
saints (there were none before him), right? Now, if latter day saints
I really see two different ideas being discussed here:
1) the idea of a child being born with inherent, original sin, resulting
from the fall and inherited from Adam, and
2) a child being born with a sin nature resulting from the fall and
inherited from Adam.
I believe the first leads to the
I really see two different ideas being discussed here:
1) the idea of a child being born with inherent, original sin, resulting
from the fall and inherited from Adam, and
2) a child being born with a sin nature resulting from the fall and
inherited from Adam.
I believe the first leads to the
I posted the response below in the wrong message thread...I have reposted it
in another message in the correct thread, and intended it for Blaine, not
David. However, if you feel like commenting on it, please do.
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To: [EMAIL
, so there is yet
hope.
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
Blaine,
it was me (Perry) who asked you the questions about your sin nature
below
, then they are the same as any
non-believer.
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
I really see two different ideas being discussed here:
1) the idea
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:34:56 -0500
Blaine wrote:
The Protestant doctrine as I have always understood it
is that men both inherit the potential for sin, and are
Blaine,
Were you born with a sin nature?
If so, where did it come from? how did you get it.
If not, then when did you take on a sin nature?
Or were you born incapable of sinning, and are still that way?
Perry
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To:
Careful, Kevin, the story you cited may soon be used as a paleontological
proof' that the LDS are related to the Indians! Especially if the Indian
ritual resembled the ceremonies of the craft.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
David,
I do not consdier Adam and Eve's pre-fall state w.r.t. immortality to be
a major issue, and I see no real problem with it either way. But, I have
always considered them to be mortal before the fall, but have never studied
that aspect very deeply. But, regardless of which way it was
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
p.s. In Protestant thought, the one-third who were deceived are not the
demons that roam the earth. Rather, they are imprisoned now in
Tartarus, a place of hell specially reserved for them.
David, I have never heard of Tartarus, nor have I heard that
TTr's,
My messages have been posting very late to the group, so I reposted one of
them thinking the previous one was lost, but it came through. So, if you see
a similar message from me come by, please ignore it.
Perry
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To:
In a recent response to Blaine I posted: ...There are no mortal men and
women on this earth. I mistyped mortal...it should have said immortal.
Perry
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blaine wrote:
IF Adam had not transgressed, he would have been immortal.
No biblical evidence
Blaine wrote:
IF Adam had not transgressed, he would have been immortal.
No biblical evidence that this is true. This is an erroneous premise.
I assume you agree with that?
Nope.
Then, do you believe immortal men and women can have children?
There are no mortal men and women on this earth.
Terry, are you really from the hills of Kentucky? Where in KY?
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You have obviously never been poverty stricken kids living in the hills of
Kentucky.
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to eat and they hunted year round. About all we ever
got were 'possums. When my dad died, we moved to Florida, and I found
paradise.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk
Judy,
I suspect that the Kinston clan neither recognizes, nor seeks, civil
marriages. I would guess they have their own methods of consumamting
marital union.Therefore, under the law, they would not be polygamists, and
to prosecute them an actual violation of the law, like sex with a minor,
Very interesting, G.
A local church we used to attend is going quite secular in appearance
and presentation...to the point that they spent 14 million building an area
on their property that resembles a mini-mall, with stores, cafes,
restaurants.The church website is
' that is prophesied for the end times. Anyone
interested in learning more about the movement and the philosophy behind
it can find it at the following website:
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/2003/1-purpose.htm
Judy
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Very interesting, G.
A local church we used
in this movement?
I was a bit dismayed but what I heard and the churches
around me are late getting into the game...
Judy
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Judy,
Corona, California, is 45 M. ESE of LA in Riverside County. The pastor
of
Crossroas Church in Corona (California) is Barry McMurtrie. He
2 Thessalonians 2:3 - Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day
shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin
be revealed, the son of perdition
What is this falling away that the KJV refers to here? Is this
corroborated anywhere else in scripture?
Perry
It's awfully quiet around here since the street preachers left for the
super-bowl. BG
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Thanks for your answers. I am also anxious to see what Blaine has to say.
Perry
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Check the TT archives back in December 2003...we did exactly that...and you
did not understand it then, either.
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Like God and One With God
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:53:38 -0800
Charles Perry
DavidM wote: Some Mormons try to say that God provided the sperm,
DAVEH said: Who have you heard say that, DavidM??? I'm not saying that
there are not any LDS who may have believed such, but I have never met any.
The only people I've ever heard say they believe that are those who are
: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:53:26 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Blaine,
Yes. Either that, or you both are extremely naive. For example,
DavidH
said that he believes non-Mormons can go to heaven. I feel confident
that he
knows that Christians believe there is one place called heaven, and LDS
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Check the TT archives back in December 2003...we did exactly that...and you
did not understand it then, either.
My time clock is a year off...that was 2002, and it was my first contact
with a TT'r. You asked me to tell you about the trinity...and we
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How was I to know THE INTERPRETERS ONE-VOLUME COMMENTARY ON THE BIBLE was
not acceptable to you?
You could have asked instead of assuming. I am not familiar with the book
or author, so would have to see a copy before I accepted it.
If I used Ed Decker's Handbook
DavidH and Blaine (and any other LDS that may be lurking on TT),
I have some questions on which I would like the LDS view. I am not asking
in order to form an argument, but to understand some questions that I cannot
answer from what little I know about LDS concept spirit beings and
pre-human
Blaine: Am I reading this as it appears, Perry--do I hear you saying let's
give that Baptist preacher an opportunity to change the meaning of what he
said?
No, you do not hear me correctly. You have added your spin to what I wrote.
I am saying instead of hearing only ONE side of the story,
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DavidH, ask Jeff to get the pastor's name and email address and you can
ask
him directly what he meant. Otherwise, we are jousting at windmills. I
would
take Jeff's word for it, but he may be using the LDS definitions of the
words, thus
Blaine,
Yes. Either that, or you both are extremely naive. For example, DavidH
said that he believes non-Mormons can go to heaven. I feel confident that he
knows that Christians believe there is one place called heaven, and LDS
believe there are three. He did not point this out...and since
] Like God and One With God
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:56:40 -0700
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Like God and One With God
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 12:57 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ad hominem rule
Blaine,
Yes. Either that, or you both are extremely naive. For example,
DavidH
said that he believes non-Mormons can go to heaven. I feel
From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Exactly my point, Perry, better that a photo of one popular athlete's arm
covered with tattoos be made to appear clean, than for the entire student
body of Brigham Young University to get a green light to indulge themselves
in disfiguring their bodies,
I think of mercy as not getting a punishment that you deserve,
and grace as getting a gift that you don't deserve.
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] False Teachers
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:29:11 -0500
David Miller
MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT: Gentile means non-Mormon to a Mormon, non
non-Jewish. like it does in the Bible. In the Mormon definition JEWS ARE
GENTILES
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] new revelation
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004
MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT!
DAVEH wrote: Eternal progression is the evolution from our spiritual birth
to eventually becoming one with God, and like God. To do that, I believe it
was necessary for the fall of Adam to take place, and the grace of the Lord
to provide a pathway to salvation.
1.
, and Zhodiates' come to mind.
Perry
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] Like God and One With God
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:23:15 -0800
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT!
DAVEH wrote: Eternal progression
DavidH, ask Jeff to get the pastor's name and email address and you can ask
him directly what he meant. Otherwise, we are jousting at windmills. I would
take Jeff's word for it, but he may be using the LDS definitions of the
words, thus, not understanding what the pastor is saying.
From: Dean
information as secret? Is that
Orwellian, or just common sense operating?
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] LDS: Historical revisionists and censorers.
From: Blaine Borrowman
From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blaine: Mr. Tittle offers a perfectly good reason for covering up the
tatoos and etc. He says, it's easier to doctor photos than deal with
irate callers demanding to know why athletes are being immodest or wearing
tattoos that many Latter-day Saints
Blaine,
Not only is this my best shot, but it is dead-on center. The record
stands for itself. Your musings and suppositions do not make the BoM true.
Give me some hard evidence. Some historical documents from the period, or
some archeological evidence. There is none. Your arguments ring
DavidH's nephew Jeff wrote, and DavidH posted:
The things he was saying were more rediculous than ANYTHING I ever heard on
Truth Talk.
The Bible explains it:
1 Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can
Blaine,
NUMBER 1:
Bible:
Genesis 11:9 - Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD
did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the
LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Contradicting BoM passages:
Ether 1
[33] Which Jared came
An open question to all TT'rs:
Do you believe that upon our death we will remain, or will be immediately
conscious, or do you believe that when we die we remain in a state of
unconsciousness until some future time, possibly the resurrection, then we
all become conscious at the same time, or
, 19 Jan 2004 17:32:16 -0700
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk False Teachers-Ad. Hom attack David.
Perry wrote:
In fact, the heaven you describe is nowhere
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
It was not the case at the San Diego temple...it was more or less a
guided
tour. No random roaming allowed. I am not saying that there was anything
being hidden, just that we were not allowed to roam at will and snoop
around
Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego
I met a lady in Utah that told me she was the eighth great-grandchild of
Brigham Young. I said, What's so special about that? Half the women in
the
state can make
DAVEH: I'm curious, Perry. Are there any passages in the Bible that use a
phrase like heaven and hell in the same sentence, or sermon?
Yes, and although I did not search for them, there probably are some where
heaven and hell are mentioned in adjacent verses, as well as in the same
sermon.
LDS do not let visitors roam the temple at will during these open
houses...visitors have to follow a path that is indicated, and men stand all
along the path to make sure no one strays.
From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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DAVEH: I can see your perception that they are contradictions. Why do you
think they don't bother me, Perry? Do I really seem that stupid to you?
Not at all, David, and therein lies my dilemma. How can so many intelligent
people like you not see the contradiction? My only answer is that they
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