I just joined. I'm getting a new Mac to edit
and begin a vlog. I notice some vlogs load very quickly while others take
forever. What makes a vlog load quickly?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SPONSORED LINKS
Individual
I have the same problem. However, yesterday I
managed to see the first clip but couldn't open any after that. I
downloaded the free Quicktime7. Does it matter if you are using Internet
Explorer or Mozilla as your browser?
- Original Message -
From:
Markus Sandy
To:
After many fruitless efforts on other posted links,
this one in Jay's email worked and enabled me to play the second
segment.
However, when I went back and tried to get it to
work for the third and final segment, it didn't work. Does Google make it
so that you can only use a link for one
Jack, Your link just took me to Yahoo to sign
in. However, the directions:
"You can also
access the video by going to:video.google.comsearch - meet the
vloggersclick on an image to watch clipNOTE: Google requires that
you download a "player" inorder to watch videos on their servers. The
Michael Verdi's critique about "making a buck"
podcasting or vlogging is understandably paranoid. In most media, the
bland and the bad crowd out the unique and the good.
I heard my first critique about using vlogging to
make money last night at a "special event" at the Apple Store in
Juan, You just caused me to create a new folder in
my vlog master-folder entitled "Inspirational Vlogs".
- Original Message -
From:
juan
gonzalez
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:41
PM
Subject: [videoblogging] I Vlog.
Andrew, before I found this group I spent about a
week exploring vlogs on the Internet. Rocketboom was one of vlogs which
stood out as being sophisticated and professional.
I'm sure you will have a rapidly growing audience
as you continue. In fact, I suspect you might find yourself
There is going to hundreds of demonstrations this
Wednesday in support of Cindy Sheehan's mother who has been camping outside
President Bush's ranch asking to talk with him about her child's death in the
Iraq war.
Any vloggers interested in this might consider
covering the local event
I can't give you the source but somewhere I saw a
figure that said there were 1100 vloggers worldwide. However, Steven says
last January only 38% of Internet users even knew what a blog was. The fact that
today there are 14.2 million bloggers (40,000 new ones daily) shows how much
growth
Anyone who had trouble reaching Jack Olmstead's
link, "A video walk through Camp Casey" has to copy both the underscored blue
line and then paste it along with the second line which says "casey512K.mov"
attached for the movie to load. It's a pretty long video. Most
interesting segment is
Thank you, Andreas. I find I'm virtually
"living" here today but it is like being in school. Because people like
yourself are willing to share, those of us who need to learn can manage to do
so. You and a few others contribute very valuable help here. Thank
you again.
- Original
At age sixty-seven, I have already made some
choices. I gave up working in the arts about thirty years ago because I
was so tired of being poor. I went into retailing and at least was my own
boss and captain of my own ship.
I didn't make nearly as much money as I
hoped. However, I had a
Will filters take out noises caused by wind?
I have some great tape didn't realize the zoom mike was so sensitive to
the wind when it was held at a certain angle.
- Original Message -
From:
Jan
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:10
needed on computer and camera purchase
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com,
Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]...wrote: I am having
great difficulty deciding what level of computer Ishould buy. My
current Gateway computer is seven years old anddoesn't have the capacity
to either pr
I only saw one or two images and heard the music
and soundtrack. The file was large so maybe my computer didn't download
things properly.
- Original Message -
From:
kylefasanella
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:40
PM
Jen, thank you for the advice. I just got
back from the "Genius Bar" at the Apple Store in SoHo. I went over what I
wanted to do. The "genius" made a pretty good case along the lines you
outlined.
First, he said the dual 2.3 (2.4?) dual drives were
much better than the 2.0 ones and the
Bev, with Windows XP I just click the space on the
blue bar across the bottom of the screen(which is really the link for that
window)and click "close". What I haven't figured out to do on vlogs
I watch through the FireANT list is how to go back to place a comment after the
video has
Manypostings ago, someone raised the question
about the "breakdown" in this group in terms of interests --filmmaking, content,
personal communication, etc. That conversation ended up being mostly about
the gender and ages of those involved.
I have found reading the postings here every day
I told Andrew last Sunday at the NYC meeting that he would be famous
before he realized it. That seems to be an understatement.
I don't know about $250,000.00 a year. That is actually frightening if it
isn't just hype. Vlogging will soon be flooded with copycats looking to
make big bucks
I don't want to appear ignorant here.
However, something Kunga said strikes me as too important to let pass without
comment:
"The sooner the masses understand that Web Video is a SUBSCRIPTION
thing they don't have to go get manually, the better it will be for
all of us."
I have FireANT
one. Pay more."http://fauxpress.blogspot.com -
motionhttp://blog.urbanartadventures.com
- soundhttp://vlogpresskit.blogspot.com -
mediahttp://the-hold.blogspot.com -
literature.On Aug 20, 2005, at 10:15 PM, Randolfe Wicker
wrote: I'm not a linguist. Jan, you know I love your
site
://gizmoproject.com
kungax (Skype) http://skype.com
kungag5 (iChat-AIM) http://www.aim.com
http://FutureMedia.org
http://videopodcaster.blogspot.com/
http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia
On Aug 20, 2005, at 6:24 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:
I don't know about $250,000.00 a year. That is actually
Jonny Goldstein, that Yahoo ad salesman saw what a
hilarious entertainer you are. Probably figured you were going to soon be
discovered. Of course, it is worth talking to this person--if only to see
what they are up to. Maybe, it's just a scam to try to sell you one of
their ads instead.
I would like to know people's experience when using
a LCD panel with 1280X1024 vertical strip with a Mac computer? Apple's LCD
monitors have a higher count (something like 1600X1200). Does this really
make a big enough difference (and what kind of difference) to justify Apple's
price
I don't understand the discussion about a picture
attached to email postings here. I don't get any photos with posts.
Is that something my computer is automatically filtering out? I'm using a
PC at the moment with XP and Outlook Express.
- Original Message -
From:
Steve
I posted a comment on the Business Week
article. Others should do likewise.
I was surprised at how much work and rehearsal went
into the daily Rocketboom Show. I always admired their polish. I
just never realized that "polish" is 99% perspiration and 1%
inspiration.
Rocketboom's
Philip Clark's idea of creating "vlog shows" is
really a great way to promote vlogging.
In fact, someone should start creating "vlog shows"
on the Internet so some of us can find "providers" or "selectors" that gather
the kind of stuff we like.
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From:
Devlon, I think the t-shirt market is very
age-limited. Those who look best in t-shirts are usually in their teens
and twenties. Most vloggers are more middle-aged.
Buttons are cheaper and are easily worn by
all.
However, I think vlogging mousepads would have a
universal appeal since
rdi
the worst part is that actually I would go and shell out
money forthat t-shirt.we are such cultists :)Best,
Raymond M. Kristiansenanother verdi fanOn 8/29/05,
Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: That image would make a great t-shirt.
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
OTECTED]...
wrote: the worst part is that actually I would go and shell out money
for that t-shirt. we are such cultists :)
Best, Raymond M. Kristiansen another verdi
fan On 8/29/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:That image would make a great t-shirt.
"Just Vlog It" sounds like an announcement posted
outside a complaint bureau implying "get lost" or "go f***
yourself".
- Original Message -
From:
Kunga
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 1:38
AM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re:
-In-Chief, VidcasterSanta
Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valleyhttp://FutureMedia.orgOn Aug 26,
2005, at 6:59 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote: I posted a comment on the
Business Week article. Others should do
likewise.
YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
Visit your group "videoblo
New Media Publisher, Editor-In-Chief, VidcasterSanta Cruz CA,
Beach of the Silicon Valleyhttp://FutureMedia.orgOn Aug 29,
2005, at 12:46 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote: I checked out the
article today because I wanted to see what you said.
There were only about six comments (including my own). I
That's a very good point. "Videoblogging" is
actually self explanatory. It defines itself. For promotional
purposes, it would be the best term to use. "Vlog" and "vlogging" are
really new insider terminology at this point.
People promoting their vlogs might be well advised
to invite
That's a great suggestion. I happen to have
an audio-tape of a telephone conversation between Kerouac and Alan Ginsberg --a
few short sections of which could be dropped in for special effects. I
bought it from a junkie named Hunkie back in the late 1960s. Instead of
giving him money,
see if we
can get some sort of deal. Never hurts to ask!
schlomo http://schlomolog.blogspot.com
http://webzine2005.com -- we've
been boingboinged! --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com,
Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are
places in NYC (and probably online) that m
It doesn't have to be made for this festival.
It could always be submitted next year. The idea of making a documentary
in "the spirit" of "On The Road" is a great idea. It would work in any
venue or any film festival.
- Original Message -
From:
Michael Verdi
To:
This story was too precious not to
share:
Camera Phone Has Life After Theft (Security Blanket 2:00 a.m.
PDT)http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,68668,00.html?tw=newsletter_topstories_asciiAfter
a New York man's cell phone goes missing, he logs onto hisSprint phone's
website and sees
groups.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 1:24
PM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Consumer
goods vloggers need!
""Most vloggers are more middle-aged."Where did
that statistic come from? Also, what is your definition
of"middle-aged"?Timrealitysandwich.typepa
ogspot.com -
literature.
- Original Message -
From:
Randolfe Wicker
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:06
PM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Fwd:
Invitation JACK KEROUAC VIDEO FESTIVAL
That's a great suggestion
Studies of bloggers show them to be younger,
wealthier and high speed connected to the Internet. A study which can be
accessed at the link below explores such interesting details as the most popular
"blogs" being political, hip lifestyle, tech and those by women. I wonder if
these trends
Jan, have you considered making the "0" in
either/or/both "node" and "101" a camera lens? in the design at:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/732/403/320/road_node1.jpg
- Original Message -
From:
Jan
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 31,
Michael,
T-shirts can be silk-screened and anyone in the
graphic arts and silk-screening can make really nice shirts in limited
numbers.
A friend of mine is bringing me information about a
place on St. Marks Place in NYC that can put any design on any shirt. I'll
pass along that
I like the design that Joel did very much.
However, I think he chose "elegance" over message insofar as the camera lens is
not "camera Lensie" enough to make it stand out as a distinct camera
lens. I am no artist and no designer. I'm just someone who offers
his honest opinion. By making
The big difference between learning PC usage and
how to access the Internet and vlogging is that vlogging is a self-perpetuating
medium. What Michael Verdi and others are doing at Freevlog means
countless people can master vlogging without having to leave their house and
find classes
I have been appalled by phone calls to C-Span's
Washington Journal where many say: "Shoot those looters!"
Even with the general media's coverage of this disaster, you can get a
glimpse of the personal horror many are experiencing. A woman's husband
dies and is lying by the Expressway and
11:37
AM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Road Node
Badge Design
Thursday, September 1, 2005, 4:09:01 PM, Randolfe Wicker
wrote: I like the design that Joel did very much. However, I
think he chose "elegance" over message insofar as the camera lens is
not "camera
Taylor, I do not think you post too much. You
are one of the most informed and authoritative voices here. In fact, your
advice regarding LCD monitors (ans to my posted query) was invaluable to
me.
I think the volume of posts here are a
problem. My email is virtually overwhelmed. It will
Jakob, when I clicked http://www.vimeo.com/user=jakob/clips/rssit took forever
to load, then seemed to freeze my computer. After using cntrl,alt
delete, I tried to "end now" and "cancel". At that point, the address
loaded but it was only a screen filled with code.
I'm using a cable
Listening to "Drinking with Bob" videos is enough
to drive anyone to drink. I liked his take on this one. I wonder if
he got his "delivery" idea from those "Crazy Eddie" commercials some years
ago. His technique is great for grabbing your attention. Then you
are happy his vlogs end in
I watched the video and liked it as well.
Perhaps I don't know to work the system. I really looked for a place to
leave a comment and found none. When it comes to "adding" to one's buddies
list or "subscribing to feeds" I think a lot of things like this are assumed to
be understood by new
If you really want to have yourself covered, you
can check out the required release forms from Current TV. However, I think
Current's paperwork would discourage most vloggers. You only need releases
if you hope to circulate the interviews commercially via TV or film.
Verbal consent to be
When interviewing people for use in mass media, it
is best to get a signed release. If you are interviewing many people at a
public fair or something, it is easiest to have a release form with several
lines for several people to sign it. I have found that people will sign a
long form more
Without splitting hairs about the ethics of filming
people and putting them on vlogs, I thought it would be worthwhile to share with
you a form I have been using for the past few months.
This form is copied from the release forms used by
a major television network. I'm sure that their
This is a location release form which is also a
copy of a form used by one (or all) major TV producers.
***
XXFilms
Location and Property
Release
This Location and
Below is a copy of a public notice posted by a
large commercial TV channel conducting interviews and filming at a Gay Pride
festival. You can adopt it to your own ends. Paste this notice and
then be sure you have video footage showing it was posted and people had notice
that the area was
This was really interesting testimony. It
gave a rational explanation of the apparently irrational behavior as to why some
might have fired guns--to get attention. It made no sense to me that
someone would shoot the people who were the only ones capable of saving
them.
Now, stories like
] Various
types of permission forms
On 9/4/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The nice thing about vlogging is you get to
bypass all of this.Randolfe, exactly what
makes you say so? I mean, it's not like you can claim you're not "publishing"
the footage. Ju
I agree with Michael. Nothing works better
when you are faced with thousands of poor people without money or jobs than
exporting them to neighboring cities and states. It is like passing the
poor around and sharing what should be your burden with the world at
large.
I hope citizen
uot; nonsense. That is one of the nice things about the netherworld
vlogosphere that we inhabit.
- Original Message -
From:
Adrian Miles
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 6:29
AM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Various
r the compilations I use to dub on my tape deck and hand out
tofriends, or the cover I play at a local pub...You get the
point.On 6/9/05 8:29 PM, "Adrian Miles"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: around the 5/9/05 Randolfe
Wicker mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] Variou
Please share with us who the host is that you are
using and that perhaps we might want to avoid.
- Original Message -
From:
petertheman
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:21
AM
Subject: [videoblogging] vb.info back
up
I only wonder when those guys at FireANT
sleep. Seems like they have a new version of FireANT every 36 hours!
It only gets better and better.
I notice that they are accepting
"contributions". I think supporting people like those creating FireANT and
also doing the Node101 vlog crusade
he
infotainment juggernaut is willing to supply."
So, Andreas, I always like reading what you have to
say. Have I answered some of your questions? I certainly hope so..or
at least given this conversation a direction that you find
stimulating.
Cloningly yours,
Randolfe Wicker
"can anyone explain
to me how this is *better* journalism than that practiced by someone at
least trained in some professional practice, a code of ethics, who (even
though it is dumb) at least thinks stories have 'two'
sides?"
Actually, obviously
opinionated journalism is better than
This is indeed a fascinating concept. I
suspect it would work better for music than for video. Music has fewer
dimensions: speed, rhythm, etc. Video has a greater number of dimensions
like color, photographic dimensions, etc. Has anyone studied
people's tastes in movies and synthesized
I have Windows XP and I never got such a
warning. Would a warning like that come from Microsoft or from some
program like Spysweeper that you have to protect your system?
- Original Message -
From:
Joshua
Kinberg
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
I have a new Mac. I wondered if anyone could
suggest a good book/aid to use while learning how to use it. I have only
worked on PCs in the past.
I got it with Final Cut Express installed but first
have to learn to use iMovie.
Any suggestions will be welcome. Please
include any DVDs,
JournalistSanta Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon ValleyURL http://FutureMedia.orgRSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMediaOn
Sep 8, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Randolfe Wicker wrote: I have a new
Mac. I wondered if anyone could suggest a good book/ aid to use
while learning how to use it. I have only worked
very thought out, edited very well
and highly entertaining. He educates with humor.-- Taylor
BarcroftNew Media Publisher, Editor, Video JournalistSanta Cruz CA,
Beach of the Silicon ValleyURL http://FutureMedia.orgRSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMediaOn
Sep 8, 2005, at 8:27 PM, Randolf
scenes don't have RSS 2.0 feeds and seem to be very popular.RSS feeds
and aggregators are useful for some, but I think the majority of internet
users find videos the same way they find interesting blogs and blog
posts.On Sep 9, 2005, at 11:53 AM, Randolfe Wicker wrote:
The fact that his
wee
There have been numerous debates here about
personal legal and financial vulnerability for using unlicensed music
intentionally or accidentally in a vlog. These problems seem to be almost
endless in their complexity. For instance, Steve Watkins
writes:
"I use copyrighted
music and then
I couldn't agree more. Being able to read threads
really doesn't help when on thread wanders through four different subject
areas. That is why I take the time and trouble to relabel postings I save
and put them in the appropriate files.
I have been trying to start new threads from time
I could see how this debate was turning into
something almost personal and bitter. At best it was/is an "ideological"
clash--I.e. "idealistic (??) moralistic(???) Muslims versus the evil (???)
capitalist Western world".
I have wasted so much money on computer books and
programs and
Bryant
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 6:54
PM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Dell
advertising scams
Good rant. Unrelated to videoblogging, however.
Vlog it, baby. We need to see you rant on this one.
On 9/9/05, Randolfe
Wicker
Gosh, I'm so happy you got the Mac version done
just as I'm about to tackle that new MAC Tigermonster sitting behind me as
I send this message on my old Gateway Microsoft XP PC.
Now I am going to be dealing with FireANT on both
my PC and my Mac. Without being dramatic, I am not expecting
A and live in defiance!Genahttp://outonthestoop.blogspot.com*****---
In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Randolfe Wicker
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: There have been numerous debates here
about personal legal andfinancial vulnerability for using unlicensed music
intentionally oraccidentally in
We all know about vlogs having feeds that you
subscribe to and how one vlogger will link to other vlogs they think are
especially good. However, I believe the vlogosphere will ultimately be
dominated by those vlogs that "suck" viewers in by being
interactive.
I'm a member of some forums
Susan, as you mayhave noticed in another
thread I created after visiting your site, I think your approach is both crafty
and brilliant.
Yes, this registering creates obstacles to
spontaneous reactions. However, your vlog (not being cynical here-just
observant) is like a brilliantly
Adam,
By habit, I am responding from my PC. My new
Mac monster with much more power sits behind me. One of the ceilings I hit
on my old PC is that "delicious" (forgive the lack of dots) required 500
something and this old PC only had 435.
I am a "content" person rather than one of the
Why even use the term "subscribe"? Just say
"sign up for" my videoblog. "Sign up for" doesn't imply something you pay
for.
- Original Message -
From:
Bill Streeter
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 1:06
PM
Subject:
Jay, I sent an email to Andrew just a couple days
ago suggesting he highlight a "vlog of the day" with just a few seconds of
exposure and a link to send people there after watching Rocketboom.
That would be a great way for good vlogs to build
an audience. It would also be a good way for
With all this discussion of the need for simple terms, has anyone considered
using the term moving picture blogs?
- Original Message -
From: andrew michael baron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re:
Many posters here have a mindset favoring all of
life to be chopped up into one to four minute segments. I've seen several
stunning interviews on the Internet that completely held my attention for twenty
or thirty minutes. Steve Garfield's interview with David Pogue, the author
of
Thanks to very patient help from Ryanne at last
Sunday's Vlog workshop (2-5 every Sat Sun during October)
at 247 Broome Street in Manhattan (NODE 101 :: NYC), I managed to get my
vlog on Blip TV and my blog on blogger connected and working properly.
I have some new videos, "CLOTHING
March would be a much better choice. January
could find us buried in a blizzard and shut down by three feet of snow and
closed airports, etc.
Randolfe (Randy) Wicker
Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The
Immortality InstituteHoboken,
You tell them, Gena!
It is one thing to use music intentionally without
paying. It is quite something else to have music you don't want forced
upon you by ringtones and background music and deny you your "right to free
speech" because you are not able to use the interview you were
Markus took exception to the PDF file that Ryanne
Hodson and Taylor Barcroft had created entitled "Videoblogging Resources" to
which they ended with "Compiled by Ryanne Hodson" and "Edited, Appended PDF
created by Taylor Barcroft"
This is a fine list of resources. When
someone
I've decided to make a series of vlogs from my
appearances as a reproductive human cloning activist.
I started with the appearance most likely to bring
the "copyright fanatics" down on me. It is based on my appearance on Fox
News on "The Hannidy and Colmes Show" about three years ago. It
Just thought I would share this link with readers
on the list. I thought it was really something special, especially if you like
rock'n'roll
http://www.blip.tv/file/2917
I really hope to be able to get VlogDigest up and
going so links like this one can be shared by one and all.
Randolfe
did:
http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/
Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I’m hoping more Immortalists will be joining those of us who are
vlogging. This simple sharing of
Bruce’s introductory remarks shows the power of our craft.
I’m going to mix some
I would like to know how many views a beginning
vlogger might get? How many views would indicate a vlogger building
readership after 6 or 10 vlogs?
I know I view certain vlogs because I have come to
know and like other vlogs by that person. I am rarely
disappointed.
I know vlogging
I find I have to make certain choices in
life. One of them involves how much time I want to spend reading this
list. Before I got my computer and started vlogging, I was reading here
three to six hours daily, building my own reference files, following links and
learning quite a bit.
You're a vlogger when you zoom in on streams of
water cascading over a rock's edge to try to capture and share that special
experience.
You are a vlogger when you capture the setting sun
playing special visual tricks on passing dying leaves through a bus's window
just to see if you can
I had to chuckle when I read Petertheman's
comment:"Michael Verdi has over 7000 (!)
subscribers (because new users aresubscribed to his feed by default), but
"only" 6706 views. Sosubscribers doesn't equal to people
watching."
I chuckled because I have
downloaded and saved all the
I noted Petertheman's comment that:
And of course popularity doesn't mean you're good
:) I always go tothe end of the popularity list in Mefeedia, like
here:http://mefeedia.com/feeds/pop/1050/, and subscribe to the *unpopular*feeds. There are some
real pearls there.
This is exactly the
I just discovered that you can click on "Stats"
under your dashboard at Blip TV and you get a breakdown of daily views for a
certain vlog, top referrers (views, sites, users, browsers) and top
browsers.
I find just going to Blip TV and scrolling through
the latest postings is a good
Title: Message
A lot of videographers fail to understand how
important sound is. I bought a new Sony MiniDV camera which actually has
great internal sound but no plug-in for a wireless mike or a mike with a
wire.
I'd make sure that any camera I bought could take a
mike input. That way,
I really don't understand the details of the tech
talk about delicious. However, I stumbled over a vlog this morning which
is either a very clever commercial or a very clever pun.
Even though I'm not a technical person, I saved the
link because it thought my technie friends would "get a
One should "look again" before posting a
link. I failed to note it was "super.ilo.us" or something like that.
Those dots dropped in between vowels all become a jumbled blur in my English
1.0, non-tech mind. Still don't know if these are professional corporate
people?
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