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"billions of watts per liter" is car salesman talk. You can get billions of watts per liter of gasoline in chemical reaction if you can detonate it quickly enough. Now, in Watt-hours/liter or J/L, that would be a more material remark. In the end, who cares about how many liters of water it takes

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I wrote: On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Bob Higgins > wrote: > > So this drop needs 119 J to vaporize and heat to ~2500K (good estimate, >> Dave). >> > > To put this into context, this is the amount of power that runs through a > 100 W bulb for a little more than 1 s. > Sorry, that should be en

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On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: So this drop needs 119 J to vaporize and heat to ~2500K (good estimate, > Dave). > To put this into context, this is the amount of power that runs through a 100 W bulb for a little more than 1 s. If you look at the chart on slide 49, where show

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On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 3:18 PM, wrote: I don't think he needs to introduce Hydrogen at all. > Electrolysis/radiolysis/photolysis of the water should produce enough. > I was thinking about this, too. For anyone who's curious, water can be split into hydrogen and oxygen at 285.8 kJ/mol [1]. On s

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In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Sun, 7 Feb 2016 13:56:42 -0700: Hi, [snip] >If you look at the chart on slide 49, where shows the measured spectrum, he >also says that the power integrated over 4pi steradians is 527kW (sounds a >little like a Lugano measurement, but lets take it initially a

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In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Sun, 7 Feb 2016 14:03:13 -0700: Hi, [snip] >If you look at slide 36, he seems to be supplying H2/H2O into the hot >chamber not far from the electrodes. When the system is pretty cold, >perhaps H2 is added as the atmosphere so that it is everywhere in the >cham

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t; > > I am ever more convinced that what is being produced is ‘cooled fusion’ > perhaps hydrino cooled fusion. > http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2016/02/04/cooled-fusion/ > > > > *From:* Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, February 7, 2016

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ke to add to my speculations? > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Bob Higgins > To: vortex-l > Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2016 11:11 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]: BLP demo video > > Sorry, I mis-counted my divisions ... the supercaps would expire after > 16.7 MI

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net/2016/02/04/cooled-fusion/ From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 8:02 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: BLP demo video When Mills described his latest device, it wasn't clear to me how he was delivering the water along with hi

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will eventually become possible with a significant amount of engineering. Would you like to add to my speculations? Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Feb 7, 2016 11:11 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: BLP demo video Sorry, I mis-counted my divisions

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Sorry, I mis-counted my divisions ... the supercaps would expire after 16.7 MINUTES - they are only rated for 1M discharges, so at 1000/sec, you get 1000sec or 16.7 minutes. On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: > One of the things I noticed in Mills' apparatus is his use of superca

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When Mills described his latest device, it wasn't clear to me how he was delivering the water along with his molten silver droplets. In the previous incarnation of his machine, he has porous solid pellets that were delivered into the discharge with water in the porosity. Now he has switched to dr

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One of the things I noticed in Mills' apparatus is his use of supercaps - in this case Maxwell P285 supercaps. Supercaps sound great until you dig into the details. Supercaps are somewhere between a battery and a capacitor in specifications. One of the core specifications that is a problem for r

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In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Fri, 5 Feb 2016 09:03:44 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Thank you, Axil, for this link. It is slide 49, in particular to which I >am making reference. In this slide you can see the soft x-ray set of lines >around 20-60nm, and another set of deep UV lines from 120-300nm.

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In reply to Russ George's message of Fri, 5 Feb 2016 07:24:04 -0800: Hi Russ, >I would argue that the present context Mills work better supports a >philosophical as opposed to scientific discussion. It’s much the same as >Rossi’s work. The data is lacking so what is there to talk about other tha

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In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 5 Feb 2016 01:50:14 -0500: Hi, [snip] >I suppose the question is; How inefficient does the solar cell array become >when the device is throttled back significantly? Since all the power >eventually becomes radiated, the black body temperature must be

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Hi, On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Russ George wrote: Well we can only hope… I think when he looks as I have he will see which > silver isotope is peculiar. Whether that adds insight or confusion is > another question. In your own case, what isotope changes have you seen in silver? Eric

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On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: If there was any evidence that Mills was producing something other than > resistive plasma heating, *perhaps* the spectrum was some evidence. > This is a question I'm interested in -- (a) for the latest prototype, are there regularly spectra wit

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the moment I do not have a clue as to how hot a plasma must be in order to generate the spectrum seen by Mills. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2016 10:25 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP demo video Dave, I am not sure what you say is ent

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Well we can only hope… I think when he looks as I have he will see which silver isotope is peculiar. Whether that adds insight or confusion is another question. From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 5, 2016 7:35 AM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP demo video

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Thank you, Axil, for this link. It is slide 49, in particular to which I am making reference. In this slide you can see the soft x-ray set of lines around 20-60nm, and another set of deep UV lines from 120-300nm. What I was saying is that the band from 120-300nm is explain-able from the 10V sour

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From: Bob Higgins * Even still, Mills provided NO EVIDENCE for excess heat at all - zero, zip, nada. This doesn't mean he is not realizing excess heat, he simply provided no evidence for it. Yes. This was my main complaint in an earlier posting about the failings of this demo. The enti

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uary 5, 2016 7:09 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:BLP demo video > > > > In the presentation, Mills showed the spectrum from Ag plasma. It > included a soft x-ray band of lines and a UV band of lines. The spectrum > did not look blackbody. If there was any e

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f radiation is possible when the ion >>> recombines. Perhaps we should not be too concerned about the source >>> voltage and instead concentrate upon the source power. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Eric Walker

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e system and that energy of radiation is possible when the ion >> recombines. Perhaps we should not be too concerned about the source >> voltage and instead concentrate upon the source power. >> >> Dave >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Eric Walker >

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; voltage and instead concentrate upon the source power. > > Dave > > -Original Message- > From: Eric Walker > To: vortex-l > Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2016 8:51 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP demo video > > I wrote: > > I think Mills also mentioned soft x-r

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AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP demo video In the presentation, Mills showed the spectrum from Ag plasma. It included a soft x-ray band of lines and a UV band of lines. The spectrum did not look blackbody. If there was any evidence that Mills was producing something other

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In the presentation, Mills showed the spectrum from Ag plasma. It included a soft x-ray band of lines and a UV band of lines. The spectrum did not look blackbody. If there was any evidence that Mills was producing something other than resistive plasma heating, *perhaps* the spectrum was some evi

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Dave wrote: "If my above thought process is accurate then a 1 volt source would be capable of initiating 10 eV radiation if it can supply enough local heat to the system and that energy of radiation is possible when the ion recombines. Perhaps we should not be too concerned about the source voltag

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I just commented along similar lines. Many questions need answers. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2016 10:10 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP demo video Well, Mills sidestepped that question, and said something to the effect of the energy

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energy. I suspect that a large amount of engineering is going to have to take place before this product can become commercial. At least Mills might have a good start. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2016 9:12 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP demo

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]:BLP demo video I wrote: I think Mills also mentioned soft x-rays early on, which are in the low keV. And the spectrum he spent time discussing had an endpoint somewhere above 100 eV. Such photons would presumably come from the excitation of inner shell electrons in heavier elements such as

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only a blackbody radiation spectrum would be emitted which illuminates the solar cells. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Higgins To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2016 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP demo video But, but, but ... Mills showedthe spectrum and it was full of

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Well, Mills sidestepped that question, and said something to the effect of the energy being free, it would probably just get dumped. As I recall there is a large thermal time constant associated with the thermalization to convert the emitted spectrum to optimized blackbody for PV electric conv

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In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Thu, 4 Feb 2016 17:22:46 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Mills talked about the source voltage being "only 10V", but 10V has at >least the potential to deliver 10eV of energy. 10eV of energy is the >energy of a photon at 124nm in the extreme UV. His "only 10V" statement >

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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 7:50 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: But, but, but ... Mills showed the spectrum and it was full of spectral > lines - not broadband blackbody. Yes, I remember that later in the video -- it was kind of characteristic and kind of not. I don't know what it was, except that it wasn'

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I wrote: I think Mills also mentioned soft x-rays early on, which are in the low > keV. And the spectrum he spent time discussing had an endpoint somewhere > above 100 eV. Such photons would presumably come from the excitation of > inner shell electrons in heavier elements such as silver. > I r

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But, but, but ... Mills showed the spectrum and it was full of spectral lines - not broadband blackbody. It was only blackbody after all of the spectra were absorbed in the tungsten plate and thermalized and re-radiated from the heated plate. Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mai

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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: Mills talked about the source voltage being "only 10V", but 10V has at > least the potential to deliver 10eV of energy. 10eV of energy is the > energy of a photon at 124nm in the extreme UV. His "only 10V" statement > was meant to dissuade the

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Bob Higgins wrote: > Yes, you can use a radiator to dissipate 163kW of heat, but it will be > huge and fan cooled. > Yup. That's a lot. That comes to 556,000 btu/h. btu/h is the U.S. standard for space heaters (furnaces). A typical U.S. home furnace is 80,000 to 100,000 btu/h. In cold climates

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Mills talked about the source voltage being "only 10V", but 10V has at least the potential to deliver 10eV of energy. 10eV of energy is the energy of a photon at 124nm in the extreme UV. His "only 10V" statement was meant to dissuade the listener that high energy photons were not possible directl

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Stefan should realize that proficiency with “theory” or with “invention” are vastly different skills. The first is primarily mental, the second is largely manual (with a dose of good-luck and assistance with theory). There is little doubt that Mills could be (is) the consummate theorist and

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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: If you think that Mills is an empty bag of promises then why don't you > challenge some of his academic work, like the experiments leading to EUV > spectra. Non have step up and claimed that those results are

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If I recall correctly BLP demonstrated an energy balance of only 2 in the bomb calorimeter. I presume everything else has been fantastical extrapolation. The previous results could have easily been titanium burning. I got some pretty bright light with Ti and a spot welder with or without water

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From: Esa Ruoho Where does BLP find investors this gullible and patient? At least Rossi claims to have a year of performance data under his belt. If he does, he will have no competition from “the brilliant one.” Hey Jones, if Steorn have managed to get 22million euros over the course of 14-15

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>>Also, does anyone recall mention of how hot the main chamber's outside surface runs? I can not imagine any hope of operating without having an excellent high temperature insulator between the inner chamber and the outside >world. If no excellent insulation is used this device would be an extrem

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>From the demo, - There is a heat sink in the bottom. So the silver vapor condense there. - The silver is melted only once after the system runs everything is in a closed system apart from losses in the cooling - The area at the top is much higher than at the bottom. But the temperature at the bott

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On 4 February 2016 at 22:16, Jones Beene wrote: > Where does BLP find investors this gullible and patient? At least Rossi > claims to have a year of performance data under his belt. If he does, he > will have no competition from “the brilliant one.” > > > Hey Jones, if Steorn have managed to ge

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A 60 inch world war 2 search light produces 800,000,000 candle power while consuming 78 volts and 150 amps. How many candle power does the SunCell produce for comparison? On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is just a story about technic

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This is just a story about technical development and I do find it to be a credible process of such and I enjoyed the story leading to the final design for which I agree that if the COP is high will lead to a success. Now Mills clearly show no need to prove to the public that it works. It do sound l

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This system has been produced before however with a more simplified design. The worlds fair search light. [image: Thumbnail] “Gen. Flagier believes that the searchlight will be very useful in the coast-defense forts at the large ports, a

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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:10 PM, wrote: Maybe it gets produced by the high current discharge of a lightning bolt? ;) > Just to clarify, I was thinking of something to explain the sulfur smell in ball lightning; 36Cl is another possible source for this, perhaps from salt found in soil. If beta de

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In reply to Eric Walker's message of Thu, 4 Feb 2016 14:58:12 -0600: Hi, [snip] >On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:47 PM, wrote: > >32Si has a half life of only 100 years, so there isn't any in nature. >> > >According to Wikipedia, it's a trace element. I wonder whether it arises >from cosmic rays and ho

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In reply to David Roberson's message of Thu, 4 Feb 2016 15:44:58 -0500: Hi, [snip] > > The video is fairly impressive and Mills appears to have an agressive plan to > commercialize the system in approximately a year. I wish him all the luck in > the world! > >I did not hear any reference to the

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Even is there is an isotopic shift in the silver ash, the reaction should be considered a LENR reaction. A hydrino reaction does not produce any nuclear changes including isotopic changes. Someday, ash from a R. Mills system will become available and the Hydrino myth will be exposed. On Thu, Feb 4

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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:47 PM, wrote: 32Si has a half life of only 100 years, so there isn't any in nature. > According to Wikipedia, it's a trace element. I wonder whether it arises from cosmic rays and how much of it there is in relation to stable isotopes of silicon. E.g., in the case of 3

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The amount of power required to produce a reaction is huge including the power to melt silver, to pump and the power to vaporize silver. There is also a large amount of waster heat energy, The silver vapor will produce silver nanopowder, How is that silver reclaimed and recycled? How can this desi

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In reply to Eric Walker's message of Thu, 4 Feb 2016 13:26:42 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Here is where a demo of the open device starts: > >https://youtu.be/R0PYe-4090g?t=53m13s > >Just prior to that, Mills says: "Now there's no microwave here. There's no >high voltage. This is plasma being created in atm

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The video is fairly impressive and Mills appears to have an agressive plan to commercialize the system in approximately a year. I wish him all the luck in the world! I did not hear any reference to the amount of DC input power required to drive his silver pump or other portions of the design

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Note - that despite the crap-load of magnificent claims Mills has been making for months on the massive COP, he says in the vid that he has no data on the photovoltaic conversion end of it. What !?! Yet he wants to move it to market real quick. UNBELIEVABLE. He needs at least a year of

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Here is where a demo of the open device starts: https://youtu.be/R0PYe-4090g?t=53m13s Just prior to that, Mills says: "Now there's no microwave here. There's no high voltage. This is plasma being created in atmospheric pressures, that's filling that entire chamber. That is an enormous amount of p

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Looks like they made a video available of their welder-sun demo. ;) See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0PYe-4090g

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Apparently very few are being invited.None of our usual reporters.Mills says there will be video released on the BLP site after the demo is over. Mills answers some further questions at the site linked below.I note he doesn't answer the question in several cases and confirms the demo will just

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More... from a post here on vortex back on 12/31/12 to vortex-l I looked at the Papp cannon video again. At 3:00 in, Papp is filling the cannon from one of the flasks. It has a sizable amount of clear liquid at the bottom of that flask. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2tuk31pS2M&feature=playe

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History of Water Arc Explosions : The unusual strength of explosions caused by a pulsed current flowing through water plasma was first noticed in 1907 by Trowbridge. in his early high voltage laboratory at Harvard University. When he passed an arc through a spray of water, the resulting explos

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many physicist regard as sacred. Mike Carrell From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:13 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP demo - the energizing electrodes On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Axil Axil wrote: By the way

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I agree that the patent is written to confuse. By carefully selecting a few sentences and paragraphs from the patent I think it is possible to find a rather neat semi-continuous flow version of an intersting development of the Graneau water arc system, which is consistent with the rather sketc

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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Axil Axil wrote: By the way. the patent is written to confuse and it is successful. The > patent defines every voltage, amperage, pulse rate and arc duration, and > every chemical that exists. In short, it says everything and its says > nothing. That is consist

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-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton > This demo will be a success if there is looped system (fully self-powering) > in the 100 watt range, even if there is no usable excess. Do you honestly think that there is the slightest possibility that Mills will present a self-powering device?

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It is difficult to show an over unity capability when the devise uses external power. Papp did it by starting his engine with a battery, then he removed the battery, and the engine continued to run for all long time. That was a good demo because it was easy to understand. Mills might prove his poi

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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > This demo will be a success if there is looped system (fully self-powering) > in the 100 watt range, even if there is no usable excess. Do you honestly think that there is the slightest possibility that Mills will present a self-powering dev

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Re from the patent: The current may be AC, DC or an AC-DC mixture. In an embodiment, comprising a magnetohydrodynamic plasma to electric power converter, the current is DC such that a DC magnetic field is produced by the current. The MHD converter is not developed yet so the demo will require

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-Original Message- From: Nigel Dyer The components of the demo don't look to me to be much like, for example the Catalyst Induced Hydrino Transition Electrochemical Cell, so I was trying to work out what what we know about this configuration. For example, the energizing electrodes that

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Just re-read the patent. One embodiment involves a voltage of less than about 10V, and another involves a voltage of at least 2kV. That covers first and third base. The high voltage option would be interesting. I guess we wait and see if there are any clues at the demo itself. Nigel On 21/

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The components of the demo don't look to me to be much like, for example the Catalyst Induced Hydrino Transition Electrochemical Cell, so I was trying to work out what what we know about this configuration. For example, the energizing electrodes that are mentioned. Do we haev an idea of what