Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

Also, it'd be a bit difficult to set up, because I doubt the China firewall is stupid enough to allow simple CNAME redirects, so we'd have to dynamically interact with whatever Wordpress.com's DNS environment is. -- Tyler Romeo On Sep 6, 2013 1:11 AM, "Matthew Roth" wrote: > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

True, but does China only do domain based blocking? -- Tyler Romeo On Sep 6, 2013 12:54 AM, "Greg Grossmeier" wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:57 PM, shi zhao wrote: > > > > > *.Wordpress.com blocked in China. > > > > Welp, there goes that plan. > > Being pedantic: that doesn't mean

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Greg Grossmeier wrote: > > I can't think of one off the top of my head that is in that category > (they don't usually advertise that they're wordpress.com-hosted) to > test/suggest. > Here are a few: http://wordpress.org/showcase > > Greg > > > -- > | Greg Gross

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:57 PM, shi zhao wrote: > > > *.Wordpress.com blocked in China. > > Welp, there goes that plan. Being pedantic: that doesn't mean that all wordpress.com hosted blogs through different domains (eg: blog.wikimedia.org can point to a wordpress.com IP, which the blog

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:57 PM, shi zhao wrote: > *.Wordpress.com blocked in China. Welp, there goes that plan. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com _

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

*.Wordpress.com blocked in China. Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/ My blog: http://shizhao.org twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao [[zh:User:Shizhao]] 2013/9/6 Matthew Roth : > Hi all, > > I was going to socialize some of the transitions for the Wikimedia blog in > the next few w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Leslie Carr wrote: > Currently the blog is in a partially maintained by Operations state. In > ops, we have a few concerns - #1 is security (exemplified by our recent > security incident) of having a wordpress instance in our production > environment. #2 is supp

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing new Wikivoyage logo

Hi all, We just issued an announcement on the Wikimedia Blog that the Wikivoyage community has selected an official logo [1]: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/09/05/wikivoyage-has-a-new-logo/ I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who submitted designs and contributed comments, us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

Theo: > "They even have a "Key > recovery service" and it's been going on for a long while apparently, to > the point that the NSA has been steering the release of encryption > standards and tools. I suppose that should make the "politics of > encryption" a bit less relevant?" No; with "Perfect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

So, does this have any bearing on the discussion? - http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/us/nsa-foils-much-internet-encryption.html Or are we just partial to the US surveillance over PRC. The article does mention SSL, VPNs and 4G security. They even have a "Key recovery service" and it's been going

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

I've had the same issues in Spanish Wikipedia, the project is missing neutrality and is in danger because of "serious" editors and admins which put their opinions before the Wikipedia values Sent from my iPhone On 04/09/2013, at 16:38, Rui Correia wrote: > Greetings to All > > Let me start b

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

At least OTRS and mailman belong inside our security "bubble" of control, where the only people with access are ops and they can be properly secured. The security risk of those applications potentially introducing and attacker to all our data is minimal compared to the much greater risk of placing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Dan Collins wrote: > At least OTRS and mailman belong inside our security "bubble" of control, > where the only people with access are ops and they can be properly secured. > The security risk of those applications potentially introducing and > attacker to all our d

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

Hi all, I was going to socialize some of the transitions for the Wikimedia blog in the next few weeks on the Wikimedia blog spaceon Meta and on the blog itself with a blog post, but this conversation has sped up the discussion. I plan to have somethi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On 5 September 2013 20:03, Andrew Gray wrote: > Mediawiki is indeed the most versatile platform, but that just means > it's okay at most things. It doesn't mean it's better than other > platforms explicitly designed for a particular job ;-) Wordpress is a ridiculously better blog platform than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

As said that are easily solved in the society as a whole. So it is probably also possible in Wikis. Regards, Lars Gardenius Von: Fred Bauder An: Wikimedia Mailing List Gesendet: 20:30 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013 Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's sa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Hi Tom Thanks for your contribution. However, you seem to have missed the point. So Lisa violates the 3RR principle and you lecture me. And I lodge a complaint over the 3RR and that gets closed without due process. Would you care to touch on those tho aspects and advance your opinion on the 3RR

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

No, I just responded to a problem that I recognized well. If you call him/her this or that is not important. The important thing is that the person (or group of persons) has the responsibility and the power to fulfil its task, i.e. to protect Wiki-users from abuses and mobbing. Today nobody has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

I think this makes 100% sense from an operations perspective. Anytime you can "outsource" a lower priority web service - fantastic. However, from a community advocacy perspective - I am less convinced. I would be curious if anyone from that team could chime in as well. The security argument m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

I don't believe you are rightly informed there. You are of course right that there are many arenas where mobbing is frequent, like blogs and Facebook etc. But to believe that the Wikis are a rosy exception in that context is to be very naive or very ill informed. I don't exactly understand what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

The dispute resolution page is a little bit of a mess, but we're working on streamlining things. Informal mediation was closed as it had been made largely redundant by the dispute resolution noticeboard. The same could perhaps be said about the mediation committee, but it's a long-standing proce

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

Personally i think this is a bad idea, especially with respect to all the nsa discussions. If wmf is not able to host it might be hosted by one of the chapters, or wikinews might accept a new article type "blog", what you think? Rupert Am 05.09.2013 19:34 schrieb "Bence Damokos" : > > As I unders

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

Mediawiki is indeed the most versatile platform, but that just means it's okay at most things. It doesn't mean it's better than other platforms explicitly designed for a particular job ;-) I'd prefer self-hosting on general principle, but if our operations people say it's better and more stable ho

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

This was definitely mentioned at Wikimania. What I understood is that it will be hosted externally for performance and reliability reasons, but that the rest should remain the same. Anyway, I'm not an expert here, just what I understood from Matthew Roth & friends Lodewijk 2013/9/5 Richard Symo

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Thursday, September 5, 2013, rupert THURNER wrote: > Personally i think this is a bad idea, especially with respect to all the > nsa discussions. If wmf is not able to host it might be hosted by one of > the chapters, or wikinews might accept a new article type "blog", what you > think? > > Coo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

I don’t see precisely how mandatory HTTPS could help spread the knowledge; accordingly if users feel themselves spied and it prevent them to contribute, yes, HTTPS helps; but if others feel cluttered by HTTPS (time load, unfriendly firewalls, various problems), it could also lower the number of ed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Leslie Carr wrote: > I can chime in as a tech operations person (in my official capacity). > Currently the blog is in a partially maintained by Operations state. In > ops, we have a few concerns - #1 is security (exemplified by our recent > security incident) of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On 5 September 2013 22:07, K. Peachey wrote: > That is a argument for changing the blogging tool/platform, Not changing to > non self-hosted environment. tl;dr Wordpress is the only blog that isn't shit. And Wordpress.com is a fine place to host a blog if you don't want ever to have to think ab

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Sep 5, 2013 5:07 PM, "K. Peachey" wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Leslie Carr wrote: > That is a argument for changing the blogging tool/platform, Not changing to > non self-hosted environment. How so? Not having to maintain another site, regardless of the platform, makes it easier

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Well, it doesn't matter to me if it is re-invention or not. To me the important thing is to put such an instance in action. And I know for a fact that it doesn't function today since I discussed this question with numerous people in the Wiki-org (like the stewards, the ombudsman etc.) That you a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Fred Bauder > wrote: > >> It is addressed but by a rather complicated and demanding process. See >> Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Not really workable for new users who >> bump >> up against well-established users who have bad habits, or have learned >> that nasty

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 2:51 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: > Personally i think this is a bad idea, especially with respect to all the > nsa discussions. If wmf is not able to host it might be hosted by one of > the chapters, or wikinews might accept a new article type "blog", what you > think? > > Rup

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Nathan wrote: > This is a very good point - we must try to protect logs of visitors to > the WMF blog from the inevitably prying eyes of the National Security > Agency! And only by self-hosting it will this be effectively > accomplished! > This doesn't make any se

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

This is certainly not a question only for the English Wikipedia. I somewhat doubt that it even foremost has to do with the English Wikipedia. I have seen this problem primarily in smaller Wikis dominated by few people. Regards, Lars Gardenius Von: Fred Bauder

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Bence Damokos wrote: > As I understand the blog is currently a self-hosted instance of Wordpress > and the idea is to move the hosting to somewhere else. > (So this is not MediaWiki vs. Wordpress, but self-hosting vs. not > self-hosting) > > Exactly! > Best reg

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > It is addressed but by a rather complicated and demanding process. See > Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Not really workable for new users who bump > up against well-established users who have bad habits, or have learned > that nasty behavior pay

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Perhaps you should think again Anders. It certainly also has to do with the Swedish wikis. You just repeated what you wrote earlier. Regards, Lars Gardenius Von: Anders Wennersten An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Gesendet: 13:23 Donnerstag, 5.September 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

No thank you, I do not have a dispute; you do; please follow the dispute resolution procedure. Fred > Hi Tom > > Thanks for your contribution. However, you seem to have missed the point. > > So Lisa violates the 3RR principle and you lecture me. And I lodge a > complaint over the 3RR and that ge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Indeed, a community a few hundred seems optimal. Fred > This is certainly not a question only for the English Wikipedia. I > somewhat doubt that it even foremost has to do with the English > Wikipedia. I have seen this problem primarily in smaller Wikis dominated > by few people. > > Regards, > L

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

On the contrary, the Arbitration Committee has the responsibility and the power. That they do not discharge the full remit is another matter. People have ran for and been elected to the committee on a platform of not discharging the responsibility it was given. Fred > No, I just responded to a pr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

On 5 September 2013 18:50, Lars Gardenius wrote: > > I am involved in work to counteract mobbing on the Internet in general and > there are the Wikis today absolutely a part of the problem. > Not remotely. Wikipedia's extreme size and heterogeneous nature make it an extremely poor place for ah "

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

The problem is that "howls of outraged anguish" seems to come from the admins not from the newbies. But that was not the question here. The question was that the Wikis lack an instance that people can turn to when they are harassed and mobbed in the wikis, be that newbies or admins, children or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

It seems to me, that Lars in wording *> **you take a step aside and are no longer actively involved in any Wiki* means seasoned Wiki veterans, so *former* insiders. On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: > Who is both "independent", knowledgeable, and not involved in a wiki? > > All

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Who is both "independent", knowledgeable, and not involved in a wiki? All you have to do is read a newspaper or magazine article about Wikipedia to realize how hopelessly outsiders get everything wrong. Fred > Well, it doesn't matter to me if it is re-invention or not. > To me the important thin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Well that is pretty easy: that Wiki-org will follow the example put up by many countries, companies and schools. Create an independent instance (i.e. in this case independent of the Wikis) that you can turn to when you are offended, insulted, mobbed, harassed or in any way mistreated by people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

And your solution is an ombudsman, or what? I know there is a solution that you have in mind. In fact, it looks very much like a solution in search of a problem. Out with it! Fred > The problem is that "howls of outraged anguish" seems to come from the > admins not from the newbies. > > But that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

That is just a re-invention of the Arbitration Committee. People from an external source nearly always have a fatal flaw; they don't understand how Wikipedia works. More informed people could man the arbitration committee, but that is a matter of documenting what the existing committee does and its

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

As I understand the blog is currently a self-hosted instance of Wordpress and the idea is to move the hosting to somewhere else. (So this is not MediaWiki vs. Wordpress, but self-hosting vs. not self-hosting) Best regards, Bence On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > On Thu, Sep 5

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF August 2013 Metrics & Activities Meeting: Thursday, September 5, 18:00 UTC

REMINDER: This meeting starts in 30 minutes. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Praveena Maharaj wrote: > Dear all, > > The next WMF metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday, > September 5, 2013 at 6:00 PM UTC (11 AM PDT). The IRC channel is > #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.ne

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > This was definitely mentioned at Wikimania. What I understood is that it > will be hosted externally for performance and reliability reasons, but that > the rest should remain the same. > So, A blog for one of the top 10 websites in the world is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Sorry but I don't what/who OP is. And you still misunderstand. This is not a question about consensus over some article, it is about normal human behaviour, and that it sometimes is not there. If you haven't seen that happening I don't know where you have been looking. I think you paint an idea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

OP = original poster, Rui > Sorry but I don't what/who OP is. > > And you still misunderstand. This is not a question about consensus over > some article, it is about normal human behaviour, and that it sometimes > is not there. If you haven't seen that happening I don't know where you > have been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

On 05.09.2013 14:05, Anders Wennersten wrote: It is no magic *yearly reelection of administrators/sysops has meant no bullying types are sysops any more *we are a small community with just a few hundred active. And we have decided to treat everyone (who are serious) as valuable individuals, and g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

I think you basically misunderstand the question. What I wrote has nothing to do with "getting your will through" or "getting your opinion heard". But if your child is mobbed at a Wiki when he/she tries to contribute, or your grandmother is being abused when she contributes to a Wiki, you want s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH has just hired two new directors

Thank you for the introductions. I appreciate you taking the time to explain your chapter's thinking behind your hiring in a public venue like this mailing list. Many WMF affiliated organizations are expanding so it is helpful to share this information to encourage discussion about different or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

I am sorry Anders but I believe you are wrong. Do you also want to abolish the Ombudsmen that there are quite a few in Sweden? These are there to give people a place to turn to when they for instance are mistreated by the authorities. In the companies and schools where I have been working there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

On 09/05/2013 11:49 AM, Lars Gardenius wrote: > But if your child is mobbed at a Wiki when he/she tries to contribute, or > your grandmother is being abused when she contributes to a Wiki, you want > somewhere to turn. As said there is no such instance in the Wikis, there is > noone responsible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Yes, that is pretty much the situation. The howls of outraged anguish from those who were not able to dictate (really bad) content or practices form the core of our organized opposition. That does not mean systemic deficiencies don't exist; just that we must look and think in a noisy environment.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

On 09/05/2013 04:18 AM, Lars Gardenius wrote: > That "Wikipedia:Dispute resolution" mirrors a very naive approach in a > worldwide organization. It has never worked before and it doesn't work now. Where "doesn't work" is mostly defined as "didn't give the result I demanded". I've been part of th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

The problem is endemic on nl:wp too -- a *very* small number of very experienced users with very strong opinions make for an at times, er, interesting atmosphere. AGF is often pretty much thrown out of the window, and e.g. of deletions against consensus or even own rules are rife -- see https://nl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Lars Gardenius skrev 2013-09-05 15:53: As said I think it is an obvious structural problem of the Wiki organization. I disagree to that statement. While Fred is about right likening sv:wp to a medium sized town, being a bit idyllic, even if persons have feelings here to a get in a conflict

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH has just hired two new directors

Dear all, I'm very glad to tell you that Wikimedia CH has just hired two new directors. Duc-Ahn Chung will be our new Chief Administrative Officer, starting in November, and Charles Andrès, our former president of the board, will be our new Chief Science Officer. Read on for more details! Wh

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Lars, Please put your cards on the table. What are your suggested changes? Fred > I am also more interested in processes than discussing special cases. I > think that was also the meaning of Rui Correia's letter starting this > thread. > > To me there is obvious that there are flaws in the const

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

As said I think it is an obvious structural problem of the Wiki organization. I don't think the intention of this thread was to solve a single issue but to point out a general problem. Regards, Lars Gardenius Von: Fred Bauder An: Wikimedia Mailing List Ges

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

I don't agree with Anders Wennersten below. I have certainly seen the same kind of problems in Sweden as well (at least a couple of years back). There are other Swedish Wikis than Wikipedia mind you. The problem is structural so it is shared by all Wikis. Regards, Lars Gardenius __

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

I am also more interested in processes than discussing special cases. I think that was also the meaning of Rui Correia's letter starting this thread. To me there is obvious that there are flaws in the construction of the Wiki-organization when it comes to mistreatment and mobbing of users. I hav

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

> I doubt that scale is only thing which matters. Sweden has a set of elites who all know each other and have developed consensus, and, perhaps, learned how to do that well. What I know is that Ukraine has a big split between Russians and Ukrainians. But do nationalistic Russians even bother with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

I've worked extensively with dispute resolution on English Wikipedia (I have conducted surveys and so on). If you have specific trends I would welcome seeing them (isolated cases where one side is unhappy with the result is not necessarily a sign the process is flawed, so I am more interested in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

This is being discussed on-wiki too, at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Privacy_policy#Blog_not_hosted_by_WordPress.3F . Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.11

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

I doubt that scale is only thing which matters. As to me both enWP and ukWP suffers from lack of community (extremely important word in Anders' comment) as that despite the fact that fist is much larger 'town' (even 'city') than svWP, and second is small 'village'. I mean community solid enough t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

For a serious discussion to happen you will need to disclose some examples. The next step is to move beyond anecdote to see if there is a general problem. The particular incident Rui brought up has been pretty much explained, but the question remains about have a new or casual editor who commits a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Sorry, but I have seen several instances where it certainly doesn't work. Not in a way you would expect in a normal society anyhow. Regards, Lars Gardenius Von: "cro0...@gmail.com" An: Lars Gardenius ; Wikimedia Mailing List CC: "fredb...@fairpoint.net" ;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

On 05/09/13 13:37, MZMcBride wrote: Hi. The recent draft privacy policy mentions that the Wikimedia blog () will soon be hosted by WordPress.com. Was this discussed anywhere? If so, where? What is the proposed URL structure of a blog hosted by WordPress.com? I think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Thank you very much for your input, Anders, it is much appreciated! You provided some important details and spotlight to see them well. ...but still please be patient to the discussion which might seem boring to svWP people (and ukWP people are quite jealous and dreaming about having same feelings

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

That's Sweden all right, it's like a small town. Thousands of administrators from scores of countries is another matter. Even requests for administration is very difficult as, unless you do big time research, or spend your life monitoring others edits and activity, you just don't know much. Voting

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

Hi. The recent draft privacy policy mentions that the Wikimedia blog () will soon be hosted by WordPress.com. Was this discussed anywhere? If so, where? What is the proposed URL structure of a blog hosted by WordPress.com? I think there's a reasonable expectation that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

I wouldn't say dispute resolution has never worked, nor does it not work now. It could use improvement, but the same could be said about everything (and like most things, shortages of volunteers make things harder) Steve Zhang Sent from my iPad On 05/09/2013, at 6:18 PM, Lars Gardenius wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Lets just be clear here, the contributuion Rui is talking about was as follows: Must be a joke - how can moving from W8 to W XP be called a downgrade? W8 is crap! I want a computer, not a basket of "apps" for retarded morons!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

It is no magic *yearly reelection of administrators/sysops has meant no bullying types are sysops any more *we are a small community with just a few hundred active. And we have decided to treat everyone (who are serious) as valuable individuals, and go a very long way to make all feeling welco

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Sorry, but I'm not agree with your note, Anders. My home WP is not en: (it's uk: in fact) but everything being discussed is very (100%) applicable for our community. Lucky you are in se:WP that you have no similar issues/problems but perhaps you've collected some magical know-how how to avoid sai

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

At wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org ? Perhaps, but hard to start over from the beginning. Fred > Should not this discussion be held on he maillist for English wikipedia? > > There is not much, if any, of what is being discussed that I can > recognize from my home wp > > Anders > > > > Fred Bauder sk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Should not this discussion be held on he maillist for English wikipedia? There is not much, if any, of what is being discussed that I can recognize from my home wp Anders Fred Bauder skrev 2013-09-05 13:18: That was the purpose of the original arbitration committee. Finding a mentor is ki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

That was the purpose of the original arbitration committee. Finding a mentor is kind of hard nowdays as there are so many users who might help but probably will not. On the other hand, many requests I have received and looked into are from people who are making trouble themselves; sometimes very se

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Unable to deal with serious online conflict appears to involve the bulk of humanity and includes massive demographics we want, and need, to include. Fred > Some _are_ better at it than others. Also some are better at editing then > dealing with other people, and some are just unable to deal with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

It is very laudable if you, Peter, tries and help newbies and others that are harassed by other users. I however don't think it is enough in a worldwide organization that you have to rely on volunteers and that these will intervene. As I see it, if you start such an organization you must also t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Lars Gardenius wrote: > No I don't think it is being addressed. Not in a serious way. You mean it's not _solved_. Indeed. At least one problem was mentioned in the thread which is that the (honest, knowledgeable) newbies have unproportionally smaller debating/lob

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

I don't think it is possible, in a worldwide organization like the Wikis, to be reliant on "where the loyalties of many of these so-called "problematic" editors reside". I think that the Wiki-organization in itself must be responsible that the Wiki-users are not abused or harassed, just because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

Some _are_ better at it than others. Also some are better at editing then dealing with other people, and some are just unable to deal with other people in an environment where to a large extent, one is not held accountable for one's actions. This is the downside of anonymity. en:WP is in genera

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

No I don't think it is being addressed. Not in a serious way. That "Wikipedia:Dispute resolution" mirrors a very naive approach in a worldwide organization. It has never worked before and it doesn't work now. To imagine that groups of people will not try and manoeuvre out persons that they don'