Re: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor

2010-03-01 Thread Oliver Boermans
On 01/03/2010, at 8:44 AM, Sam Dwyer dwyer@abc.net.au wrote: Hope some of that helps. (Hi to the mailing list by the way, this is my first post since I joined, look forward to engaging with you all) Thanks Sam and welcome, great to get your perspective on TinyMCE, if you ever do dig

RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor

2010-02-28 Thread Sam Dwyer
I haven't had much of a look at the new CKEditor version but I was mightily impressed with the initial glance I had at it when he first released it. It looks like a *major* improvement on the original fckeditor. Cleaner code, more accessible and easier, cleaner ability to add plugins. If I was

RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor

2010-02-26 Thread Christie Mason
I'd be also be curious to learn more about any editors that can use a site's CSS. Just spent a day with FCKEditor only to find that there appears to be no way to have site CSS appear in the Style dropdown, w/o transforming the CSS into XML. For about 5 years, I've used InnovaStudio because it

RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor

2010-02-26 Thread Christie Mason
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Kepler Gelotte Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor Just spent a day with FCKEditor only

Re: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor

2010-02-26 Thread Dave Lane
We make extensive use of TinyMCE with Drupal (we're a Drupal development shop) - it's not perfect, but it does offer a lot of flexibility regarding acceptable tags, and we've been able to get it to provide XHTML compliant code. Combined with filters like Tidy, it's possible to ensure that you

RE: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor

2010-02-26 Thread Darren Lovelock
Sent: 26 February 2010 19:37 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor We make extensive use of TinyMCE with Drupal (we're a Drupal development shop) - it's not perfect, but it does offer a lot of flexibility regarding acceptable tags, and we've been able

Re: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor

2010-02-26 Thread Oliver Boermans
Hi James, On 27 February 2010 03:30, James O'Neill freexe...@gmail.com wrote: I am not at all happy with the FCK editor. I am starting to look at Time MCE and Standard. When you say FCK editor do you mean the current version? Now called CKEditor. Broadly, I’m very interested to hear

Re: [WSG] standards matter - an informationweek article

2009-04-23 Thread Nancy Johnson
Do you have a link to the information week story? Nancy On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:53 PM, dwain dwain.alf...@gmail.com wrote: in the april 20th issue of informationweek there is an article about standards. the title of the article is standards matter - we all want interoperability, but are

Re: [WSG] standards matter - an informationweek article

2009-04-23 Thread dwain
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Nancy Johnson njohnso...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have a link to the information week story? Nancy here's the link: http://www.informationweek.com/news/infrastructure/management/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=216600011 cheers, dwain -- Fear of the devil is

RE: [WSG] standards matter - an informationweek article

2009-04-23 Thread Christie Mason
, April 23, 2009 8:21 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] standards matter - an informationweek article Do you have a link to the information week story? Nancy *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail

Re: [WSG] standards matter - an informationweek article

2009-04-23 Thread Nancy Johnson
Mason -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Johnson Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:21 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] standards matter - an informationweek article Do you have a link

Re: [WSG] Standards way of getting div background color?

2008-11-27 Thread Алексей Тен
Use window.getComputedStyle for standard-compliant browsers and element.currentStyle for IE. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/window.getComputedStyle http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms535231(VS.85).aspx On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:06, Dennis Suitters [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Dunno,

RE: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-04 Thread Kieren T
alternative. There's a perfectly usable free version available and the full version only costs 23 GBP. Kieren From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe ContributeDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:10:36 +1100Hi Several people are misunderstanding why some of us are challenging

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-04 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Hi Several people are misunderstanding why some of us are challenging the use of Contribute (please note, challenging, not refusing) and why a consultant might discover (please note: discover, not insist) where a CMS might be a better solution for the client in the long run and better

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-03 Thread Joe Ortenzi
I think that was the point of both myself and Dave, Todd. Mark's vitriolic rant seemed to miss the point that the technology comes after you discover what the business requires, what their resources are, what the requirements of the site will be over the next 12-24 months, etc. not just say

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-03 Thread Susan Grossman
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:53 AM, James Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Guys, A client wants to use Adobe Contribute for content management. Is there any point writing standards complient code or will contribute butcher the code anyway? Can I use php at all with contribute? Would love to

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-03 Thread James Farrell
Hi Guys, Thank your for your insights and assistance on this topic. I am taking everyone's opinion into consideration and have received very usefull help and templates from several people. James 2008/11/3 Susan Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:53 AM, James Farrell [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-03 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Mark, you seem to misunderstand what Dave and I are saying and maybe you so angry about something you can't even see you're contradicting yourself and claiming dave and I are saying different things when your examples, reflected back at us, clearly show paralell, not conflicting

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Dave Lane
I'm sorry, Mark, but that is not a winning strategy in business. As a web developer, you *must* design for maintainability. Anything else is a disservice to both your business and your customer. The customer is not always right. The customer hires you because they perceive you to have

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Mark Harris
Dave Lane wrote: I'm sorry, Mark, but that is not a winning strategy in business. Dave, the business decision is not that of the web designer. While web design may be his business, it's not the business of his client. As a web developer, you *must* design for maintainability. Anything else

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Todd Budnikas
with respect to both sides here, I have had numerous clients come to me requesting Contribute as a solution. I would say the reason, in every case i believe, is the cost. It's a 1 time fee of $99. I imagine, that if you can offer something comparable or cheaper to them, they would appreciate the

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2008-11-02 Thread Karl Davidson
Hi, I'm currently on leave until the 17th of November. For New Zealand inquiries please contact Patrick FitzGerald (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) For Tasmanian / Support inquiries please contact either: Casey Farrell (Implementation) (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Amanda Brown (Project

RE: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-02 Thread Chris Vickery
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Lane Sent: Sunday, 2 November 2008 7:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute I'm sorry, Mark, but that is not a winning strategy in business. As a web developer, you *must* design

I'm currently on leave - returning to Hobart on the 17th was( RE: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] )

2008-11-02 Thread Karl Davidson
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute I'm sorry, Mark, but that is not a winning strategy in business. As a web developer, you *must* design for maintainability. Anything else is a disservice to both your business and your customer. The customer is not always right

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Joe Ortenzi
With respect Mark, Please do not misrepresent me. I did not say the client had to do it my way, to the contrary, I said in my post, in a portion you did not include, that the technology used must be derived from a business strategy and a needs scope of the site. To wit: The technology

I'm currently on leave - returning to Hobart on the 17th was( Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute )

2008-11-02 Thread Karl Davidson
Hi, I'm currently on leave until the 17th of November. For New Zealand inquiries please contact Patrick FitzGerald (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) For Tasmanian / Support inquiries please contact either: Casey Farrell (Implementation) (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Amanda Brown (Project

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Michael MD
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 08:21 -0500, Todd Budnikas wrote: with respect to both sides here, I have had numerous clients come to me requesting Contribute as a solution. I would say the reason, in every case i believe, is the cost. It's a 1 time fee of $99. I imagine, that if you can offer

RE: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-01 Thread Greenidge, Gerard
Hi James, If you start with a standards compliant dreamweaver template and define the editable regions then Contribute should be able to play nice. Any php code that is NOT part of the editable regions will also be safe. If you are not using dreamweaver then there are additional steps that you

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-01 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Hi James Oddly, someone asked a similar question today in LinkedIn. http://www.linkedin.com/answers/technology/web-development/TCH_WDD/355859-15475515 Contribute is not about content management and you should never let the client specify the technology, that's YOUR job The technology you

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-01 Thread Mark Harris
Joe Ortenzi wrote: Contribute is not about content management as much as it is about allowing an in-house web team to share tasks without a proper CMS deployed. Thus your coder can code and the content writer can write but it can be all wrapped within a team. This is, frankly, Web 1.0, and

Re: [WSG] Standards compliance and Autocomplete

2008-06-30 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Lisa Herrod wrote: Just wondering if there is a standards compliant way of implementing 'autocomplete' on forms, which I believe is proprietry...? Not tested it, but...could you inject the autocomplete=off via javascript to the form element? An example might be that there is a login and

Re: Re: [WSG] Standards compliance and Autocomplete

2008-06-30 Thread William Donovan
I have had the same question fluttering around in my head. the thought process for me begins with Accessibility: can other people still get to the search result that the auto complete is attempting to show if the are using a screen reader or have javascript turned off, or there are bugs (like

Re: [WSG] Standards compliance and Autocomplete

2008-06-30 Thread Lisa Herrod
2008/7/1 Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lisa Herrod wrote: Just wondering if there is a standards compliant way of implementing 'autocomplete' on forms, which I believe is proprietry...? Not tested it, but...could you inject the autocomplete=off via javascript to the form element?

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant CMS?

2008-03-13 Thread Sarah Simmonds
Hi Adam, We've tried developing in-house ourselves but we've found the solutions we have in place has become difficult to maintain. With a pre-existing CMS and a solid community behind it we won't have to build upgrades ourselves, we simply need to install them. I've heard lots of good things

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant CMS?

2008-03-13 Thread Sarah Simmonds
Hi Richard, Thanks for your suggestion, MySource Matrix is already on our list of solutions to evaluate. I didn't know Squiz has an office in Melbourne though! Along with solid community support we're also looking for a solution which can supply commercial support should we need it, and MySource

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant CMS?

2008-03-13 Thread aleagi
Hello, Take a look at Drupal: http://drupal.org It's powerfull, it's flexible and have a lot of coll stuff and tries to follow web standards... Have a nice day! @:D Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Thu,

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant CMS?

2008-03-13 Thread Mark Harris
With respect, last time I looked, the WSG-CMS list was over there From the Guidelines: The mail list does not cover: * Non-Web Standards related issues and support * Discussion of server-side scripting beyond that directly involved with Web Standards * Discussion of content

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant CMS?

2008-03-13 Thread Sarah Simmonds
Aleagi: Yep, we're looking at Drupal too. Michael: Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know we had a list specifically for CMS's. I'll direct my query there :) Cheers, Sarah On 3/14/08, Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With respect, last time I looked, the WSG-CMS list was over there

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant CMS?

2008-03-13 Thread Kurt Lovelace
Some excellent OpenSource CMS systems that I have had the pleasure of working with for real production work in various client environments include: 1. Joomla 2. XOOPS 3. WordPress 4. PhpNuke 5. PostNuke 6. TextPattern Joomla is currently my favorite for clients with broad needs -- say,

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant CMS? [OT]

2008-03-13 Thread Mark Harris
Sarah Simmonds wrote: Michael: Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't know we had a list specifically for CMS's. I'll direct my query there :) Cheers, Sarah On 3/14/08, Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With respect, last time I looked, the WSG-CMS list was over there Y'know, I can

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant CMS?

2008-03-12 Thread Adam Martin
I have developed my own cms system - it does not limit designs at all - let your designer go wild. It is very easy to use for the end user. 100% standards compliant (unless the person that creates the sites templates does not know what they are doing). I found the problem with most solutions is

RE: [WSG] standards-compliant designers and shoddy work poor QA

2008-01-14 Thread James Leslie
Every user smart enough to know there are non IE browsers are smart enough to know sometimes you have to switch back to IE to make the website work. Now this is not true I got caught out this weekend discovering that I needed to use IE for a media program that I assumed was just not

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers and shoddy work poor QA

2008-01-13 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Jan 13, 2008 5:34 AM, Steve Olive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to spoil your fun Michael, but 100% of Apple Mac OS X 10.4 or better don't have IE installed at all. There are also 100% of Linux users who don't have IE installed by default. Nokia, Motorola, etc don't have IE installed on

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers and shoddy work poor QA

2008-01-13 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Thank you for your sanity check steve! Joe On Jan 13 2008, at 05:34, Steve Olive wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:31:45 pm Michael Horowitz wrote: The answer is very simple. 100% of potential users of a website have IE on their computer. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers and shoddy work poor QA

2008-01-13 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Michael, get real You are an intelligent person ad saying something obviously inflammatory is very ignorant. Go to websidestory, searchenginewatch or perhaps look at your own Analytics stats and you will see that the statement 100% of potential users of a website have IE on their

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers

2008-01-12 Thread Viable Design
There is blame to go around, for sure. I had an accessibility issue just this morning, while trying to find out about filing an insurance claim on my husband's car (which someone ran into in the middle of the night ... and took off). In Firefox, my browser of choice, the text on the page I needed

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers and shoddy work poor QA

2008-01-12 Thread Michael Horowitz
The answer is very simple. 100% of potential users of a website have IE on their computer. Every user smart enough to know there are non IE browsers are smart enough to know sometimes you have to switch back to IE to make the website work. The question becomes from a business perspective is

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers and shoddy work poor QA

2008-01-12 Thread Steve Olive
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:31:45 pm Michael Horowitz wrote: The answer is very simple. 100% of potential users of a website have IE on their computer. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Sorry to spoil your fun Michael, but 100% of Apple

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers

2008-01-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's a great idea, I think i'll do that too. it's really annoying that people disregard the fact that there are other browsers out there, and make their site solely for ie6 and they don't even think about validating it... But your idea is good, to tell them about it will hopefully bring a

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers

2008-01-09 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Jan 9, 2008 2:01 PM, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: standards-compliant designers represent perhaps 1% of the industry is this really the figure - any sources? It's impossible to say, unless you draw a line in the sand and define what qualifies someone to call themselves a 'web

RE: [WSG] standards-compliant designers

2008-01-09 Thread Steve Green
] On Behalf Of Matthew Pennell Sent: 09 January 2008 14:12 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers On Jan 9, 2008 2:01 PM, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: standards-compliant designers represent perhaps 1% of the industry is this really the figure

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers

2008-01-09 Thread Mark Harris
Steve Green wrote: Of course I made up that 1% figure but I don't suppose it's far out. Just look at the phenomenal number of crap websites out there. There are something like 100,000 people offering web design services in the UK (10,000 in London alone) yet GAWDS membership (which is global) is

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers

2008-01-09 Thread Mike Brown
Mark Harris wrote: 1 crap designer can turn out many, many crap sites. The damage done by Sieglal's Designing Killer Websites (1st edition - he recanted later) was huge. Back when I was starting, I bought it and used it as a bible of what not to do, but many used it as a how-to guide, and

Re: [WSG] standards-compliant designers

2008-01-09 Thread Matthew Barben
I tend to agree with Mark. IT guys in my experience tend not to be 'joiners' you work in a corporate IT department and you will quickly realise that people use terms like 'Crypt' and 'Beige' I have worked from both sides of the fence as both an indepentant but also as the main web guy within a

Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-27 Thread Michael MD
Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting. For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID. This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of non-human user

Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread John Faulds
Have you looked at Google Analytics? On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:52:44 +1000, Paul Hempsall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community survey for good measure). I'm

Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Jason Grant
Try this: http://www.google.com/analytics/ Hope its good. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com On 8/27/07, Paul Hempsall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual

Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Paul Hempsall wrote: I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community survey for good measure). You haven't really defined your probem...what exactly is it that you're trying to improve? I'm assuming

RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Paul Minty
Paul, We use Google Analytics in-house and it is a good addition to log file analysis. 'Mint' is another tagging-based stats package that should be OK on a standards-based website http://haveamint.com/ You do get a lot more info on browsers and viewport size throygh the tagging stats approach.

RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Paul Hempsall
Thanks for the responses and suggestions. I haven't checked out Google Analytics yet, although it was on my list. In fact I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use and how to best implement it. Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting. For

RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Kane Tapping
Hi Paul, I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use and how to best implement it. Please tell me your not paying for that. About Google Analytics http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/topic.py?topic=10977 Installing the tracking code

Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs

2007-08-13 Thread John Faulds
I've only used Expression Engine and Wordpress but they'll output whatever HTML you put into your templates so how standards-friendly is entirely up to the user and there is no limitations imposed by the CMS. On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:01:32 +1000, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi;

Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs

2007-08-13 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 13/8/07 (11:57) John said: I've only used Expression Engine and Wordpress but they'll output whatever HTML you put into your templates so how standards-friendly is entirely up to the user and there is no limitations imposed by the CMS. That's good to know John, thanks. I was concerned

Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs

2007-08-13 Thread Christian Montoya
Rick, Yes, you can make a Wordpress, Expression Engine, Textpattern, MovableType, etc. blog COMPLETELY validate. Example: http://www.christianmontoya.com/ You can even make a Wordpress blog (and probably the others) output valid HTML 4 instead of XHTML. Tutorial:

Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs

2007-08-13 Thread John Faulds
Most HTML tags get written into your template by you. There's only a few functions I can think of that output tags as well as a content and most of the time, it's perfectly valid HTML. On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:24:36 +1000, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/8/07 (11:57) John said:

Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs

2007-08-13 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 13/8/07 (13:01) Christian said: You can even make a Wordpress blog (and probably the others) output valid HTML 4 instead of XHTML. Tutorial: http://www.christianmontoya.com/2006/02/13/serve-your-weblog-as-html-401/ That's a really useful tutorial Christian, thanks. One question though: On

Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs

2007-08-13 Thread minim
Rick, PHP shouldn't affect IE at all because it gets calculated on the server, so by the time the page gets to the browser, it's 100% HTML/XHTML/whatever - no PHP is seen on the client-side at all. Cheers, C Caitlin Rowley, B. Mus. (Hons), Gr. Dip. Design Composer, musicologist, web

Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs

2007-08-13 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
... One question though: On your tutorial page, you appear to put some PHP code above the doctype in order to remove any instance of self-closing tags. Specifically: ... Does this not throw Explorer into quirks mode? I was under the impression that anything (other than whitespace, maybe)

Re: [WSG] Standards and Blogs

2007-08-13 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 13/8/07 (15:27) minim said: Rick, PHP shouldn't affect IE at all because it gets calculated on the server, so by the time the page gets to the browser, it's 100% HTML/XHTML/whatever - no PHP is seen on the client-side at all. Cheers, C A ha. Good to know. Thanks. -- Rick Lecoat

Re: [WSG] standards selling points

2007-03-09 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
This is a discussion that continuously reappears on this list. I've been down this path myself and these days agree with those who say not to bother selling the standards to people. They really don't care. Sorry. I spent many meetings with clients trying to explain what standards are, and

Re: [WSG] standards selling points

2007-03-08 Thread Tim
There are some Irish guidelines and what about the status of EU standards compliance? http://accessit.nda.ie/technologyindex_1.html Tim On 09/03/2007, at 1:18 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Hello, This has been discussed before but i was wondering about new input. I've tendered on a big job

Re: [WSG] standards selling points

2007-03-08 Thread McLaughlin, Gail G
Best practices is a good phrase to use in conjunction with standards, especially when the best practices are research-based. Usability.gov provides free Research-Based Web Design Usability Guidelines that are quite comprehensive. On 3/8/07 8:18 AM, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] Standards War - HTML 5 vs XHTML 2.0

2007-03-08 Thread Keryx Web
Adrian Lynch wrote: Knowing that XHTML5 is developed in the same spec means that we can push forward with our XSLT based workflows, and simply adjust to suit once XHTML5 is supported at the browser level. -- I had the same concern. As it turns out one can - at least in many cases - use the

Re: [WSG] standards selling points

2007-03-08 Thread Marghanita da Cruz
kevin mcmonagle wrote: Hello, This has been discussed before but i was wondering about new input. I've tendered on a big job and i will be up against a lot of competition. What are some web standards selling points that might get through to a completely uniformed, unsavy client. In a couple

Re: [WSG] standards selling points

2007-03-08 Thread Breton Slivka
In my experience, it's a bad move to try and sell a client on the technology you intend to use. The more technologically unsavvy they are, the less interested they will be in what technology you are using. (Remember this is my experience). I've had better success determining what problems

Re: [WSG] standards selling points

2007-03-08 Thread Tony Crockford
kevin mcmonagle wrote: Hello, This has been discussed before but i was wondering about new input. I've tendered on a big job and i will be up against a lot of competition. What are some web standards selling points that might get through to a completely uniformed, unsavy client. MACCAWS was

Re: [WSG] Standards and usability (was: Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor)

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Maben
On Feb 28, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Mike Brown wrote: or even what makes a good usability consultant Perhaps, but I think what makes for usability itself should be a concern to us all. What are standards for after all? Is writing valid code an end in itself, or a means to an end? As I see it, it

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread CHEN Benfeng
Hi, Maybe you could take a look at HTML Sildy (www.w3.org/2005/03/slideshow.html )? -Ben Hello, Can anyone please recommend a standards compliant slideshow script that uses a list of images within the HTML markup to dynamically create the show. Thanks Daz

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread Richard Stephenson
Can anyone please recommend a standards compliant slideshow script that uses a list of images within the HTML markup to dynamically create the show. http://slayeroffice.com/code/imageCrossFade/xfade2.html -- DonkeyMagic: Website design development http://www.donkeymagic.co.uk

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread Darren West
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Stephenson Sent: 13 March 2006 15:01 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow Can anyone please recommend a standards compliant slideshow script that uses a list of images within the HTML markup to dynamically create

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant slideshow

2006-03-13 Thread Jon Tan
Darren West wrote: Hello, Can anyone please recommend a standards compliant slideshow script that uses a list of images within the HTML markup to dynamically create the show. Slightly self-promoting but try http://scooch.gr0w.com . The current demo is woefully out of date already with a lot

RE: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

2006-02-23 Thread Golding, Antony
Hi, Bit late, but one is certainly on the way: http://www.enlightensupport.com I have no idea about timescales though. Antony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Web Man Walking Sent: 02 February 2006 20:28 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org

RE: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

2006-02-04 Thread kvnmcwebn
hello, does the ie7 beta allow scaling of fonts set in pixels? -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help

Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

2006-02-04 Thread Al Sparber
From: kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] hello, does the ie7 beta allow scaling of fonts set in pixels? -kvnmcwebn No - but it does have a new zoom tool a la Opera. -- Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90

Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

2006-02-03 Thread Ray Cauchi
Hey Ed You could do http://www.oscommerce.com with the STS Template contribution (see the Contributions page, search for STS) It allows you to completely reskin the tag casserole it ships with...so the Standards savvy bit falls onto your plate - but I haven't seen a shopping cart out there

Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

2006-02-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Web Man Walking wrote: I am looking for a web standards friendly shopping cart for an upcoming project. I have had a look but not had much luck, previously used CactusASP but the amount of spurious and unnecessary HTML will not have me calling again. TradingEye is quite nice

Re: [WSG] Standards Savvy Shopping Cart

2006-02-02 Thread Jan Brasna
CubeCart or Zen Cart may also be fine. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Anders Nawroth
http://www.nornix.com/testsidor/faq This one has very clean HTML markup. /AndersN SunUp skrev: Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the FAQ answers while still displaying everything properly without javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Paul Novitski
At 05:44 PM 1/29/2006, SunUp wrote: Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the FAQ answers while still displaying everything properly without javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for javascript? Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on

Screen readers and JavaScript WAS: Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Joshua Street
On 1/30/06, Anders Nawroth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the toggle function have to be connected to a a element, or do JS-enabled screen readers recognize onClick events attached to other elements? To add to this question, what happens where screen readers with JavaScript result in an

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Thierry Koblentz
SunUp wrote: Hi folks, I'm doing an FAQ page, and want to make it so only the questions appear on page load, then when selected, the answers appear below them. A toggle effect. You know. I've found a couple of methods: http://www.netlobo.com/div_hiding.html

RE: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Patrick Lauke
Anders Nawroth Does the toggle function have to be connected to a a element, or do JS-enabled screen readers recognize onClick events attached to other elements? The function needs to be attached to an element that receives focus, i.e. an element that users can tab to via the keyboard.

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Paul Novitski
From: Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm. The text-toggling examples folks have posted on this topic use {display: none} to hide text. I'm under the impression that some screen readers will not speak text that's been hidden with {display: none}. At 05:04 AM 1/30/2006, Al Sparber wrote:

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/30/06, Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:44 PM 1/29/2006, SunUp wrote: Does anyone know of a method which will toggle the visibility of the FAQ answers while still displaying everything properly without javascript, and that adheres to current best practise for javascript?

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-30 Thread Al Sparber
From: Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry, but aren't these apples oranges? The triggering event is one thing, the disappearing technique another. What I'm reading (or perhaps misreading) is that even screen readers that respond to the onclick method might not present text that's

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-29 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/29/06, SunUp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I'm doing an FAQ page, and want to make it so only the questions appear on page load, then when selected, the answers appear below them. A toggle effect. You know. You want: http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/unobtrusiveshowhide.php

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-29 Thread Al Sparber
SunUp wrote: Hi folks, I'm doing an FAQ page, and want to make it so only the questions appear on page load, then when selected, the answers appear below them. A toggle effect. You know. I've found a couple of methods: http://www.netlobo.com/div_hiding.html http://www.mindsack.com/toggle/ ..

Re: [WSG] standards-happy javascript for faq

2006-01-29 Thread Al Sparber
Al Sparber wrote: This is a simple solution, easy to implement, and the hidden elements are visible with script disabled: http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/swapclass/faq/ Speaking of css/script implementations that degrade well in script-disabled UAs, we have a free command that installs

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-07 Thread Bob Schwartz
Lachlan,I'm going to take your much appreciated response one bit at a time.By doing as you suggested, I lose the point of having used the JS in the first place.(For the purposes of this discussion, let's assume that having the copyright notices reflect the current year is a desired thing).With the

Re: [WSG] standards or confusion?

2005-12-07 Thread Bob Schwartz
I suppose you mean PHP or ASP or similar? If so, wouldn't this be taking things to an extreme just to do a simple copyright that is already handled so well with this little JS? Bob Javascript is for behaviour, not content (or structure, really). Therefore, if you want to dynamically change

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