Re: [Zen] Fw: Dogen's words on a "True Teacher", and Practice

2013-05-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On May 11, 2013 1:48 AM, wrote: > > > --Original Message-- > To: Zen > Subject: Re: Dogen's words on a "True Teacher", and Practice > Sent: May 11, 2013 2:14 PM > > Dear Chris > > So you think you have answered intelligently. I had hoped to answer helpfully,

Re: [Zen] Re: Dogen's words on a "True Teacher", and Practice

2013-05-10 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
The "Buddha" in this usage is not the person known as Lord Buddha or Siddhartha Gautama but the concept of the Buddha. Do not act with the concept of "person" or "enlightened" or "good" or whatever. Just act. Especially, don't sit thinking there is some "you" that is cut off from other stuff tha

Re: [Zen] Re: Tools for learning acceptance | Wildmind Buddhist Meditation

2013-05-02 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Not unlike self-hypnosis/trance work used for pain management. However, that's not the heart of zen--for most people the problem with daily life isn't actual physical pain, its the fake pain that we add on top of perfectly normal events. ​ Thanks, Chris

Re: [Zen] Re: Tools for learning acceptance | Wildmind Buddhist Meditation

2013-05-02 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I like this - and note it escapes the duality between physical and mental suffering. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On May 2, 2013 6:25 AM, "Edgar Owen" wrote: > > > Bill and Merle, > > Just forget about your suffering and it will go away. That doesn't work > for pain. That's the difference... >

Re: [Zen] Re: hologram

2013-05-02 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
My words on this are that it is a common configuration of the intellect, rather than some illusion separate from the intellect. Easiest to turn off intellect ti learn self is unreal, but I wouldn't claim it is only way. Tricky to make such claims. Thoughts without a self certainly occur. Also,

Re: [Zen] Re: Top Quotes

2013-05-02 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
My first teacher had a card in her study from someone - the outside of the card said "There's just two words to remember about Zen" and the inside said "Not always so." Even the memory of it causes laughter. --Chris Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Wed, May 1, 2013 at

Re: [Zen] the enemy

2013-04-22 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
very simple concept quite easy to understand... > > Edgar > > > > On Apr 21, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > The intent is not possible from the perspective of the deterministic > computation. Intent if it can be defined at all would be s

Re: [Zen] The Unconditioned

2013-04-22 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Pardon me for butting in, I can’t read the phrase the unconditioned mind without thinking of the present moment. Only right now is there some experience of freedom. I don't read it as some special state of mind but a simple description of our ordinary experience of now. With the perspectives carrie

Re: [Zen] the enemy

2013-04-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
the non-living universe depending on how intent is defined... > > Edgar > > > > On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:47 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > Does deterministic computation imply intent? (sum 1 1) ... the intent > is what? > > I am sure that the moon can survive

Re: [Zen] the enemy

2013-04-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
ily (computation could be completely random). > But only an intelligent intentional organism is able to survive... > > Edgar > > > > On Apr 21, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > Is there intention in computation? > > Thanks, > --C

Re: [Zen] the enemy

2013-04-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
ther it's > something simple like taking a drink or breathing to keep from dying > > The human body is a computational system that continually computes its > actions on a logical basis. If this were not so it could not function and > would soon die. > > Edgar > &

Re: [Zen] the enemy

2013-04-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
gt; is that all the rational computations are now taking place in the > UNconscious mind, but they are STILL taking place... > > Edgar > > > On Apr 21, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > The opposite of monkey mind is not doing one thing but effortless a

Re: [Zen] the enemy

2013-04-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
The opposite of monkey mind is not doing one thing but effortless activity - no one doing no thing. In cutting carrots each muscle, nerve, knife and plant goes on just as it is, no need to do anything. The 10,000 things take care of them selves with no effort and no boundary. Thanks, --Chris 301

Re: [Zen] "preaching to the converted"

2013-04-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
No matter the struggle one is engaged in, a bit of sitting each day will quite likely help one be a more effective agent for the good. So start each day with just sitting and see where it goes from there. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Apr 19, 2013 6:50 PM, "Merle Lester" wrote: > > > hi grou

Re: [Zen] Re: Hello

2013-04-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I read a book on California geography recently, written recently, and it made the fascinating point that while the new theory of continental drift is now accepted, the opponents having died off, there are still hundreds of years of observational data that have not been interpreted according to t

Re: [Zen] Re: Hello

2013-04-18 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Apr 16, 2013 8:17 AM, "Joe" wrote: > > Chris, > > quoting: > "Recall all, to encounter the absolute is not yet awakening." > > Right. And, like the Buddha, I recommend carrying the goad that you can best wield in the circumstances. > > But, recommendations are ine

Re: [Zen] breathing

2013-04-18 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
You will experience every emotion there is as you sit. And yet generally one is rather safe and unstimulated in sitting. It is interesting to note how the mind churns through emotions. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Apr 18, 2013 4:22 PM, "Merle Lester" wrote: > > > hi joe... > > when i am doin

RE: [Zen] Re: Hello

2013-04-16 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
What Buddha said to that mother is find some mustard seeds from a house where there had been no tragedies. Finding none, she regained her connection to the reality around her. Recall all, to encounter the absolute is not yet awakening. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Apr 16, 2013 7:36 AM, wrote

Re: [Zen] Fwd: from RAF

2013-04-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Promiscuous altruism. I think I may have a candidate for my Facebook religion form, thanks. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Apr 12, 2013 10:42 AM, "Edgar Owen" wrote: > > > > You are a persuasive fellow, Edgar, and I am mindful of the negative karma > of hiding the dharma, but remain dubious th

Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: No god, no soul in Buddhism. ~ D.T. Suzuki | elephant journal

2013-04-11 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Ok; I was saying I read your mails as showing a bit of a mean streak, in that you take a bit of writing about soul and jazz and dogs and attack it for asserting some fixed essence; I find Merle's writing to reflect a more fluid and dynamic view, and the gap feels to me to be a bit mean, regardless

Re: [Zen] Re: Fw: No god, no soul in Buddhism. ~ D.T. Suzuki | elephant journal

2013-04-11 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
You come across as mean and pendantic with this endless word splitting. You don't come across as a person knowing that thoughts words and beliefs are unimportant illusory phenomenon. Merle was very clearly not talking about a soul as you argued against but some less rigid concept more akin to the r

Re: [Zen] Re: evolving consciousness

2013-04-10 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
; > Worship or meetings may be a little different depending on which planet, > or spacecraft, gathered and conducted. Different gravities may create > different tendencies. > > I like the smiles in the cartoon. What's for dinner? > > --Joe > > --- In Zen_Forum@yaho

Re: [Zen] Re: evolving consciousness

2013-04-10 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
re's a little hint on my thoughts about the 'evolution of religion'... > > > > ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > One can, annd people often do, analyze the spread of ways of living among > > thinking b

Re: [Zen] Re: evolving consciousness

2013-04-09 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
One can, annd people often do, analyze the spread of ways of living among thinking beings as being subject to evolutionary dynamics. The spread of Buddhist meditation through the world is a good example that is relevant here. A decent percentage of people that are exposed to sitting take it up into

Re: [Zen] Re: buddha and zen

2013-04-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
One may easily see my chances to go bad in my many typos and word mistakes. (How many of my sentences to this forum lack a verb even?) Extrapolation of this trend to all my activity is a good first order approximation. Constant awareness, never fooling oneself, always helpful. Thanks, --Chris 30

Re: [Zen] Active Meditation

2013-04-04 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Merle, If you can do nothing about it, there is nothing to be gained by your worrying about it. If there is something to be done about it, do that; again nothing to be gained by worrying about it. Suffering existed long before you and will exist long after you. If in reading of some suffering,

Re: FW: RE: [Zen] Cause-and-Effect

2013-03-31 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Or as I like to point out the answer to Why? Is invariably "the entire history of the universe till now." Why is generally not a useful question. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Mar 30, 2013 11:03 PM, wrote: > > > Bill!, > > There are many different terms for the same thing. The most well know

Re: [Zen] hand up!

2013-03-30 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Everything is an opportunity to awaken, to let the notion of self collapse under its contradictions allowing the weather to be felt in ever changing wonder. The monks did not notice this opportunity, and not every bloke in the states notices it either, but the opportunities are as endless as our c

Re: [Zen] hand up!

2013-03-29 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Edgar > > > > On Mar 29, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > The attitude of watchfulness does not need an object. > > As it happened, I was confused in thinking the vigil was at the church, > so it was all locked when I got there, so I spent my time seein

Re: [Zen] hand up!

2013-03-29 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
ren't expecting Jesus to return or any such garbage? > > Edgar > > > > On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:32 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > Easter week starts next Sunday and lasts for the 8 days of Eastertide. > > This week is Holy Week - I shall be sitting up

Re: Fw: Fw: [Zen] hand up!

2013-03-28 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Easter week starts next Sunday and lasts for the 8 days of Eastertide. This week is Holy Week - I shall be sitting up keeping watch tomorrow from 2 am to 4 am, as part of a crew of people keeping watch all night. --Chris who would never think anyone could judge anothers level of enlightenment ove

Re: [Zen] Re: questions/practice

2013-03-24 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
day. > > Suddenly you're as wet as you're going to get; the last drop is SUDDEN. > > Not quite the same as Maxwell House, though: "Good to the last Drop". > > It's "Gone, gone, gone beyond, gone completely beyond. Bodhi; Svahah!" > > I&#x

Re: [Zen] Re: questions/practice

2013-03-24 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I wouldn't describe my Soto Zen training as Sudden school, they talked about the rain soaking one gradually, but I will share that the flood of "Zen thoughts" I had in the first year or or so of sitting was a lot sillier than the normal silly street thoughts I noticed when I first sat. Thanks, --

Re: [Zen] Re: to zen or not to zen

2013-03-10 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I saw the picture. Anyone had advice for a zen student travelling to Colombo Sri Lanka for a week? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Mar 10, 2013 5:47 PM, "Bill!" wrote: > Merle, > > I was not able to see the photo either. I interact with the Zen Forum on > the web. Perhaps those who interact

Re: [Zen] Re: 5th march

2013-03-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
The global default route was removed some in the mid 90s. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Mar 5, 2013 5:13 PM, "Bill!" wrote: > Joe, > > It's my belief that the internet is now truly an international network and > not completely dependent upon US funding or US resources. I believe the US > int

Re: [Zen] Hello!

2013-03-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Bede, My first teacher http://www.shalem.org/index.php/about-us/people/senior-fellows/rose-mary-dougherty-ssnd was quoted in the cover notes of Boykin's book - she is a Roman Catholic nun, SSND - her Zen lineage is a lot of Catholic nuns and Jesuits stemming from Roshi Kennedy: http://kennedyzen.

Re: [Zen] fresh air addict

2013-02-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
There is a great song - All I need is the air that I breath and to love Been listening to it nonstop recently. KD Lang's cover from Drag. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Feb 25, 2013 9:44 PM, "Merle Lester" wrote: > > > > joe > would you suspect me to be addicted to anything but fre

Re: [Zen] Re: Dogen, Mystical Realist

2013-02-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
In my Soto (actually Maezumi lineage so mixed ( training Dharma is taught as reality. The third Bodhisatva vow being Reality is boundless, I vow to perceive it. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Feb 21, 2013 4:29 PM, "Joe" wrote: > Salik, > > Hang around if you can, the water's usually fine.

Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ...

2013-02-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
ce is enjoying the beauty of girl's breasts with no attachment > or hiding from reality because you can't face your attachments to them. Big > difference! > > Edgar > > > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:49 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > We are monkeys. Enl

Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ...

2013-02-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
asts! > > Edgar > > > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > I have read several of his books. Struck me as the sort of man I aspire to > be. > > I recall one story that has glancing relevance to the current forum topics > - he w

Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ...

2013-02-21 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I have read several of his books. Struck me as the sort of man I aspire to be. I recall one story that has glancing relevance to the current forum topics - he was telling some friend of his about a practice he had of closing his eyes when the attractive young women made obeisance (with potentially

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen Groups Distressed by Accusations Against Teacher

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Arg, as I said typo city - It is still a picture of a rice cake. Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > This is not a reply to Chris' recent post, "A picture of a rice cake is > not a rice cake, but it's still a rice cake. I

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen Groups Distressed by Accusations Against Teacher

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Says someone that probably hasn't sent typo free email in 4 weeks, judging from the samples I do reread when people reply to them. Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > A picture of a rice cake is not a rice c

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen Groups Distressed by Accusations Against Teacher

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I guess that all > depends on the fee...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Chris, and what is that? The fact $120 is a lot more money than you'd > &

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen Groups Distressed by Accusations Against Teacher

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
at. Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > According to contemporary standards, why yes there is. > > > > Thanks, > > --Chris > > 301-270-6524 > > O

Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ...

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:33 AM, Joe wrote: > Chris, > > > Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > That reluctance to challenge the prevailing conditions is why human > history > > has been so awful until so r

Re: [Zen] Re: Zen Groups Distressed by Accusations Against Teacher

2013-02-20 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
According to contemporary standards, why yes there is. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Feb 20, 2013 12:14 AM, "Bill!" wrote: > Is there a difference between a teacher giving lessons to students for > $120 and one giving them in return for a blowjob? > > ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups

Re: [Zen] Re: Dogen, Mystical Realist

2013-02-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Seems there are plenty of would be Hitlers, the difference then was the blindness of the surrounding societies (German and farther afield). Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Feb 19, 2013 9:33 AM, "salik888" wrote: > exactly . . . they are perfect as they are . . . then from there you can > work y

Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ...

2013-02-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
with attention and without self. Sometimes, in some situations, depending on the conditions, as well as we can isn't as well as we do later. That's why people need art lessons and psychotherapy (depending on those conditions) even if they have a lot of zen training. Sent from a p

Re: [Zen] Fw: peek a boo ...

2013-02-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Didn't Siddartha Gautama the World Honored one himself have some actions that could be described as sexist? He may have pushed the needle of his society towards being less sexist but I think to believe that an experience of awakening will remove all traces, structural, cultural and psychological,

Re: [Zen] Re: Dogen, Mystical Realist

2013-02-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Brad Warner, in what I find to be a useful way of organizing these philosophical things, makes the duality between spiritual and materialist, and describes the non-dual alternative as realism. Our body/mind and all existence as one, to split parts away into spirit and others into matter, or to den

Re: [Zen] Re: Dogen, Mystical Realist

2013-02-19 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
My favorite line is "Yet flowers fall and weeds grow" after the exalted sounding lines about actualization. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Feb 19, 2013 9:26 AM, "salik888" wrote: > /\ > > Well, that would be under the heading of Dogen and the author of the book > about Dogen . . . but apprecia

Re: [Zen] Re: Our Teachers – Sydney Zen Centre

2013-02-18 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Nothing is squeaky clean. There is a famous case about not polishing the dust but realizing there is no where for dust to ruin. And you know, don’t put your teacher's head above your own. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Feb 18, 2013 1:39 PM, "Merle Lester" wrote: > > > maybe this mob are squea

Re: [Zen] Re: the laughing buddha

2013-02-15 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
> > > Chris, > > > > No. I think that's something to do with "The Wizard of Oz". > > > > --Joe > > > > > Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > > > Isn't there some rule about not answering questions about zen unless > the >

Re: [Zen] Re: the laughing buddha

2013-02-15 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Isn't there some rule about not answering questions about zen unless the asker asks three times? Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Feb 15, 2013 8:19 PM, "Joe" wrote: > Merle, > > Subhana needs to know you. > > You are one hell of a kick. > > Whatever credentials got you credentialed, that has bee

[Zen] Pillow type

2013-02-13 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Having just returned from the few days I could make of a local sesshin (I could not after all make it to San Diego), I am curious about zafus. I have always used kapok filled zafus, and always the norm in the zen groups seems to be for foam or cushiony zafus. I find the capok to be superior in eve

Re: [Zen] Acting against seeming inevitability -- WAS: Re: war criminals

2013-02-06 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
------ > * From: * Chris Austin-Lane ; > * To: * ; > * Subject: * Re: [Zen] Acting against seeming inevitability -- WAS: Re: > war criminals > * Sent: * Thu, Feb 7, 2013 2:55:32 AM > > > > I doubt there are really 400 readers for our energetic debates here. I bet &

Re: [Zen] Acting against seeming inevitability -- WAS: Re: war criminals

2013-02-06 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I doubt there are really 400 readers for our energetic debates here. I bet nost of the lurkers are either no mail or else let it pile up unread in numberless email boxes. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Feb 6, 2013 2:09 PM, "Joe" wrote: > ...and, Carl, > > Heterodoxy is fine by me, too. Have a

Re: [Zen] Does anyone know of an enlightened zen master?

2013-02-01 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
So zen practice is a sort of long running historical thing, with traditions and so on. It generally works and generally avoids the flagrant extremes of bad behavior. If you sit earnestly for several hours and are starting to obsessively think about if you are enlightened or that person over there

Re: [Zen] Why?

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Touché Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jan 31, 2013 10:09 AM, "Edgar Owen" wrote: > > > To get to the other side dummy! > :-) > > Edgar > > > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > To save all sentient beings, I sup

Re: [Zen] Why?

2013-01-31 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
To save all sentient beings, I suppose. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jan 31, 2013 9:38 AM, "iain" wrote: > So why did the Buddha cross the road? > > Can anyone answer? > > Iain. > > > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read

Re: [Zen] the blue tooth zen experience

2013-01-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I heard a new one recently - the buddhist goes to the hot dog vendor (but he doesn't ask the guy to make him one with everything) - he gets the (really quite good tofu) dog and asks for the change. The hot dog vendor says, "don't you know, change comes from within? " Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra and the heart sutra

2013-01-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
e I-Ching, which are more opaque to me than > Buddhist writings. I spread them on the floor, or ground, and read. Lots > of ground in this desert. I'll try it with Hui Neng and see what old Red > Pine brings. > > tnx, > > --Joe > > > Chris Austin-Lane wrote: &

Re: [Zen] Re: Diamond Sutra and the heart sutra

2013-01-25 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Red Pine 's translation is particularly clear English. I recommend it for non-Chinese readers that wish to appreciate some funny answers to problems that still vex the sangahs. Thanks, --Chris 301-270-6524 On Jan 25, 2013 4:57 PM, "Joe" wrote: > Yeong Soo, > > Good. You can't go wrong! > > Yes

Re: [Zen] just is

2013-01-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Good karma is pouring tea attentively. Bad karma is pouring tea inattentively. The transition from inattentive to attentive is a thing we do not cause but by stopping allow to happen. Good karm might result in a calm zendo and bad karma might result in a mess or a burn, but that's incidental at

Re: [Zen] Re: great quote

2013-01-05 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I wonder what are the great prejudices that my social environment blinds me to. (Or 'our' and 'us'.) On Jan 5, 2013 8:21 AM, "Joe" wrote: > Merle, > > Just remember that Einstein never cooked himself a meal, and could barely > dress himself. His mountainous heights in some areas were enabled by

Re: [Zen] just is

2013-01-04 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
To share another perspective, in Soto Zen sometimes Karma is just dealt with as "action" - no reference to an idea about the past or about the future. Each action is complete, with no idea about self or other, harm is done or balance attained, whatever. Violence hurts reality. Some body/minds

Re: [Zen] Re: I want to know reason for human violence.

2013-01-02 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Dude just sit for a while and observe the dark side of humanity boiling up inside yourself. Perhaps I am atypically angry but I have certainly got angry impulses in myself - times when my system wants others to be sorry, to regret, to suffer for ignoring me. Dear Suresh, Thanks for considering t

Re: "True" Christianity? ...WAS ---- > [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-27 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Totally agree on the posture. I wish we could introduce a word "body/mind" to English usage. It is much more precise. The riff on giving up hope is my summary of a lot of Joko Beck's transcribed dharma talks in "Nothing Special." -- e.g.: In talking about Sisyphus: "What would be the enlighte

Re: "True" Christianity? ...WAS ---- > [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-27 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I am certainly not training in zen so people will speak well of me, nor to become a copy of the masters that brought the teaching to the US. If anything, I hope I will be more what I am meant to be, and that you will be more what you are meant to be. However, your words remind me of a truism of p

Re: "True" Christianity? ...WAS ---- > [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-27 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
confused our understanding here - in the absense of such reliable systems for understanding, one could focus on living faithfully and toss in a bunch of words that were understood to be true in some sense other than scientific truths. Now we have to be a bit cleaner in our understanding of what

Re: "True" Christianity? ...WAS ---- > [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
they're for? > > What I am trying to say is the only thing we 'know' for certain is what we > experience. > > All other 'beliefs', whether based on faith or something else is IMO > uncertain - and what I would call illusory. > > ...Bill! > > --- In

Re: "True" Christianity? ...WAS ---- > [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-26 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
um@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > Life is doubt. no where do we find certainty, not here and and not now > > > > Living is therefore an act of faith. each moment we float in this ocean, > > not knowing, but still here we are. this living is faith.

Re: "True" Christianity? ...WAS ---- > [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-24 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Life is doubt. no where do we find certainty, not here and and not now Living is therefore an act of faith. each moment we float in this ocean, not knowing, but still here we are. this living is faith. Be not afraid, and may peace and goodwill flow within and around all of us. Merry Christmas

Re: "True" Christianity? ...WAS ---- > [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-18 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
munity takes care of the details. You can just receive grace and partake of creation and love your neighbor. What is offered is from God, and it is God's business what people do with that - we are merely facilitators, not responsible for the ultimate outcome, but simply to make the cof

Re: "True" Christianity? ...WAS ---- > [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-15 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
good, and keep one fresh and healthy; these practices are like Meals, where the parts of the One-Being meet to remind themselves that "they" are One. > > That's all I've got at the moment, on this. > > Microphone now back to you! Too many words from me but one has to sa

Re: "True" Christianity? ...WAS ---- > [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-15 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
t;Bill!" wrote: > Chris, > > The 'heart' of Christianity is FAITH, which is another word for 'belief'. > > ...Bill! > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > Well, as my Episcopal t-shirt says below, belief is

Re: "True" Christianity? ...WAS ---- > [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-14 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Well, as my Episcopal t-shirt says below, belief is not at the heart of Christianity, rather the action of worshipping in community is. There is a tremendous variety of beliefs in my church at least. it is fun to have a variety of beliefs but it's peripheral. I find it easier to speak to folks w

[Zen] Happy clappy good news

2012-12-13 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/leading-article/8789981/glad-tidings/ Seems that we can say "so far so good" - still feel free to worry about falling sperm counts or top soil depletion or global climate change, but the materialized badness is not so bad at the moment. Thanks, --Chris ch...

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-13 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
ure. >> >> I sat five minutes the first day I think and worked my way up to 25. >> >> So I have a fond spot in my heart for The Three Pillars of Zen, despite ending up with much mellower training in a more Soto lineage. >> >> Thanks, >> Chris Austin-Lane >

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Dec 12, 2012 3:44 PM, "R A Fonda" wrote: > > > It is unlikely that I will answer any further comments you make on the subjects covered in this post. That is probably for the best.

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Dec 12, 2012 11:52 AM, "R A Fonda" wrote: > > > > On 12/12/2012 2:05 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: >> >> So the US of 1792 or changed relatively continuously, according to the initial rules, into the current US, so it can't be any better as a system th

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:17 AM, R A Fonda wrote: > > > On 12/12/2012 12:33 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > Is this the system you think would be better than our tax based system? >> >> >> You see

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Tho the Three Pillars of Zen has a great section of dokusan transcripts. On Dec 12, 2012 9:41 AM, "Joe" wrote: > Merle, > > No, no way! Please; your correspondence with the Roshi is private. > > That's the way it is in our Way. Only tell me general things later, > maybe, if you wish, about art

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:21 AM, R A Fonda wrote: > > > On 12/12/2012 11:48 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > Is this the system you think would be better than our tax based system? > > > You seem to be under the misapprehension that because I foresee something > I mu

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
pleasure or life span. Is this the system you think would be better than our tax based system? On Dec 12, 2012 8:23 AM, "R A Fonda" wrote: > > > On 12/12/2012 10:48 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > Now is the time for the Churchill quote about democracy being the worst &g

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
n Dec 12, 2012 7:50 AM, "R A Fonda" wrote: > > > On 12/12/2012 7:15 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > taxes, like death, are just part of life > > > Taxes are so dangerous because they enhance and sustain government power, > which is pernicious due to the

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
ertain Native > American tribal councils, the making of decisions with a concern and > consideration for how planned actions, if executed, might effect even the > seventh following generation of people and culture after the elders' > actions. > > > > > > Such planning pro

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-12 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
I always heard death and taxes were two of the inevitably disappointing parts of life. I am pretty sure democracy arose as a way to make the inevitable taxes be chosen and spent in a somewhat more 'consent of the governed' sort of way, not that democracy invented taxation. Taxation without repres

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-11 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
35 AM, "R A Fonda" wrote: > > > Chris, > > I find this a very congenial response: > > On 12/11/2012 1:04 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > Can one's belief in personal ownership be an attachment, a hindrance to > the mind's freedom? > > No dou

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-11 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
The truth is indescribable. But if the society is.sufficiently flexible as to avoid revolt, that seems pretty good according to historical standards. On Dec 11, 2012 10:00 AM, "Edgar Owen" wrote: > > > Joe, > > You believe in an idealized and rather naive view of society. The truth is > much dif

Re: [Zen] Re: Compassion and zen

2012-12-11 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Can one's belief in personal ownership be an attachment, a hindrance to the mind's freedom? It looks to me like it is, but perhaps we shouldn't argue politics and tax policy here? Rather than share my partisan arguments, let me simply state that reasonable people do disagree about these issues. P

Re: [Zen] Re: timers ?

2012-12-08 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
we are always eager for good folk tales from any source. > > The biggest way the training helps is that I am less twitchy when I sit, > and more able to listen and see some right action instead of freaking out. > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > Sent from a cell phone >

Re: [Zen] Re: timers ?

2012-12-07 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Chris Austin-Lane" wrote: > Since is that that you use now ? I think they also have mp3s with the > bells and the silence. > > My problem with the phone is I sometimes pick it up when the screen goes > dark and my focus is scattered. Not an issue with the kitchen timer but >

Re: [Zen] Re: timers ?

2012-12-07 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Since is that that you use now ? I think they also have mp3s with the bells and the silence. My problem with the phone is I sometimes pick it up when the screen goes dark and my focus is scattered. Not an issue with the kitchen timer but usually I bother the family when I use that. On Dec 7, 2012

[Zen] timers ?

2012-12-07 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
What do people use to time their sitting at home? I must confess.I have started using a phone app specifically for meditation. I have used sticks of incense and kitchen timers as well. I haven't hooked the app up to tweet my sitting, but I do see a lot of such tweeks.

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-11-30 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
a lot to learn. Regarding skilful means. I'm working on > it. > > --Joe > > PS I think that successful author (teacher) could stand to send US money! > ;-) > > > > Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Joe wrote: >

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-11-30 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Joe wrote: > Chris!... *I'LL* take your money... and donate it to my favorite > non-profit... I sent it to Brad Warner, him of the "Sit Down and Shut Up" books - a stylistically iconoclastic but fully recognized teacher in the Soto school. Thanks, --Chris c

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-11-30 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
So what is the sound of a planned but unmade bell ringing in the Zendo? Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Joe wrote: > RAF, > > A man after my own heart (no, not THAT kind of "after"). ;-) > > The bronze pennies (1982 and pre-) are worth

Re: [Zen] truth is beauty

2012-11-30 Thread Chris Austin-Lane
Thanks, --Chris ch...@austin-lane.net +1-301-270-6524 On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM, R A Fonda wrote: > > > On 11/30/2012 12:53 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote: > > I had no idea! > > > About what? > That you are so captured by the idea of a "die-off"

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