Hi Bill, How are you? JM
On 9/25/2013 9:58 PM, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
Whoever reads this post please REPLY.
I'm requesting this as a test of the new Yahoo! Group format.
Thanks...Bill!
Chan meditation does it a step further. Instead of just focus on the
inner body, Chan meditation ask the practitioner to focus on ten major
chakras, acupressure points, to enhance the chi flow as well as
rejuvenate the hormonal organs.
JM
http://www.heart-to-heart-teaching.org
On 8/27/2013
Dear Aham,
Zen is about letting our inner divine, labeled as Buddha Nature, to
shine through. Let it be our guide in our daily life. And the only way
that it may shine through depends on the purification of our physical,
mental and spiritual hindrances.
Because our inner divine, same as
Hi Merle,
Chan historically is a mixture of Buddhist language and Taoist
practice. If you read the Xinxinming by the third patriarch, it sounds
very much like Tao Te Jing by Lao Tzu.
Bill is right that the essence of Chan existed when there is universe,
before language or human being.
We
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Dear All,
Attached and please find a report by OC. Register Newspaper about our
Chan practice on 8/12/2013.
Thank you,
JM
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Hi M,
In Chan practice, instead of noticing body sensations, we actually ask
our practitioners to focus on Ten major chakras (acupressure points)
inside of our body.
This not only redirects our mind, connects to the state of being of our
body, also rejuvenating our major organs, so that we
http://heartchan.org/index.php/retreat
Thank you,
JM
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Well said, Mike. Applaud.. jm
On 7/3/2013 12:04 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Bill!,
It's just two sides of the same coin. Zen just gets you to awaken with
very little explanation and instruction - The sutras explain the
processes of the mind that create a self and suffering and the
Hi Mike,
I liked everything you posted about the basic Buddha Dharma.
We define the other shore to mean everywhere beyond our comfort zone,
beyond what we hold dearly, beyond what we recognize, beyond what
understand, beyond what we're familiar with, beyond our physical read..
So that we
Hi Edgar Mike,
Based on my witness, the Buddhist karma is slightly different from cause
and effect. Buddist karma is inherited via our subconsciousness. It
can be cleansed as per Mike's sutra quotations.
In other words, our subconsciousness causes us to act, often beyond the
control of
Hi Bill,
As per Buddha's teaching, when we are attached to form, five poison
arises. They are [greed], [anger], [delusion], [arrogance],
[suspicion]. Buddha also remind us to avoid the four notions. They are
notions of [self],[human][sentient being],[death]. Then Buddha asked us
to drop the
Hi Bill,
Such as this one. Please note the subject line.
JM
On 6/27/2013 7:05 AM, Bill! wrote:
JMJM,
So how do you insert these tags?
...Bill!
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覺妙精明 （JMJM） chan.jmjm@... wrote:
Hi Bill,
As per Buddha's
Dear Edgar Bill, moderators,
Chan is ALL, which means all attachments, delusions, angers are part of
Chan. We learn and wake up from them. These are our home work. These
are part of our everyday practice. The sixth Patriarch said, Dharma is
in the secular world. Buddha is enlightened
This is from a Scientist (29 minutes)
difference of thoughts, feeling and emotions... inner outer world
connections.. power of our heart. feeling is a language... what's
holding the universe together... our true abilities and potentials..
http://youtu.be/kMNaPmmuHCs
Enjoy.. JM
Dear All,
If you believe the light inside all of us is the key to enlightenment,
then please read on...
All I am asking you to TRY for the last eight years is the following:
1. Focus on the path of your belly breathing.
2. Focus on your chakras.
3. Focus and guide your chi along your chi
Hi Joe,
Ultimately, the practice of Chan is to be one with ALL. Some call it
compassion, some call it enlightenment, some call it Buddha nature. In
order to be ONE, we must unify our body, mind and spirit first.
All in all, we begin by purifying our body, then our mind, then our
spirit.
Joe, Every way is Chan. All way is Chan. Chan is ALL and ONE.
If you believe that YOUR way is the only way, then you have attached to
dharma. :-)
JM
On 6/15/2013 10:44 AM, Joe wrote:
Donald,
I suggest you go around and seek a second opinion about what Ch'an is
(that should be easy on
Actually Joe. I have been to many of Sheng Yen's teachings. As my
practice, I don't comment on his teaching. I only share my experience
and witness.
Thank you for your heart felt recommendation.
If I may share one sharing that I did in 2008...
Even the notion of 'I understood.' is from the
Joe,
Dharma dharma without dharma. No dharma is dharma. (Diamond sutra)
Joe, Dharma is not in the teaching, not in the words, not in the logic,
not in our brain.
What I have always advised is a practice for all of us to experience.
Instead of making judgment based on formed dharma, I am
Hi Edgar, Thank you. Indeed, this is what's being quoted in Diamond
Sutra as, indescribable existence within pure emptiness. JM
On 6/15/2013 12:29 PM, Edgar Owen wrote:
Joe, and JM,
No! The light that JM describes IS the central path, not the outer path.
The 'Book of the Golden Flower'
Dear all,
What I have witnessed about an enlightened teacher are the following:
* He has the power to heal.
* His Dharmakaya travels with his words simultaneously and our heart
can feel its presence at all times.
* Everything he focuses on is embedded with Buddha light, which we can
Dear All,
As you know, I have continuously emphasizes the importance of
cultivating our chi. Because the universe runs on chi. Once our chi is
purified, then we will see lights, because light is the purest form of chi.
And my Teacher said repeatedly, we meet our self nature, when we
Dear All,
As I mentioned, Chan is ALL and ONE. It means Chan can be applied to
everything and can be explained by all logic. The entire world is
Chan. Below is my interpretation of the science of Chan.
As we know, the sun, moon and earth are bonded by some form of energy.
The plants,
Hi Edgar, What would you comment about books such as Many masters,
Many lives? Thanks, JM
On 6/5/2013 6:00 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
Mike,
Well if you want to get into energy all forms of energy (including
mass) are just various forms of relative motion between forms when
they are
Hi Bill,
What is your comment about energy mentioned in Mike's and Edgar's post
below? About the energy that bonds the sun, moon and earth?
Thank you,
JM
On 6/5/2013 4:53 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Edgar,
I wouldn't even go that far regarding reincarnation. Lets not forget
that
Hi Joe,
Well since you asked me to go on... (Thank you)
Therefore Buddha nature is not a just mental condition, or a flashy
phenomenon. It needs to be a consistent state of being. And once it is
in charge, it involves our entire being, physical, mental and
spiritual. All three parts will
Dear All,
The practice of Chan is to let our Inner Divine unfold.
The same as the Outer Divine, our inner divine is all knowing, all
loving and all powerful.
When our inner divine is in charge of our lives, we would know it all,
love all and be all powerful.
This inner divine, in Buddhist
Yes, Mike, Everything that I posted, as well as, those from my Teacher
and Buddha, and everything been discussed in this forum, are what we
called in our school, as formed dharma. Formed dharma only
describes the dharma and not the dharma itself. Thus formed dharma
are empty by nature.
Hi Mike,
I love this. Yes, Samsara is the way to Nirvana. Both are labels, in a
second, it will reverse.
JM
On 5/29/2013 6:29 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Bill!,
All dualities, contradictions and paradoxes are reconciled in
buddhahood, so I don't see a problem. Doesn't Mahayana
Yes Merle,
When we have wisdom, we would see Chan in every phenomena, every logic,
every event and every sentient being.
We would be in sync with the cause and effect of everything in each moment.
We would be one with the universe, both in form and formless.
We no longer need to agree or
Hi Merle,
What you have expressed here is pure Buddhism. You have described the
emptiness by nature of all forms. They are all true. They are
true suffering as described by Buddha. So why be human again in our
next life. The only way to stop being human again is to cleans all our
karma
Hi Joe,
Thank you. I meant to write originally enlightened, not already
enlightened..
Thank you for pointed it.
JM
On 5/24/2013 10:50 AM, Joe wrote:
JMJM,
Most kind of you, too; thanks.
And/But...
I would not repeat those words, We all are already enlightened. It's
misleading.
(I
Hi Joe,
Not sure I read you correctly...
Chan is in everything. in every word and logic of yours and mine. Words
are dangerous, because they are subject to interpretations.
Drop our logic mind. Erase everything that we hold dearly.
Open our heart and let it connect to our True Self.
A bow
Hello Bill,
As long as we dedicate ourselves, which you already do, to this path,
soon or later, this life or next, we will liberate ourselves from
suffering. That's what is expected from Buddha.
:-)
JM
On 5/22/2013 6:25 PM, Bill! wrote:
JMJM,
Thanks for your reply.
When you joined
Hello Merle,
Reincarnation means our spirit is beginningless and is undying. Each
generation we come to earth with a different body. If you are
interested about this subject, go read these books:
Hi Bill,
Thank you for asking.. Below are my comments for your reference.. I
have read this article awhile back..
Chan by definition is One and ALL. Meaning it is the absolute dharma
applicable to ALL things - body, mind and spirit. As well as it can
answer every question written in the
Hi Mike and Bill,
Thank you for your interest.
To reach enlightenment in this life requires us to purify our physical,
mental and spiritual hindrances. Our practice is just meditation. The
basic technique is cover in this book.
and
energy moving thru the chakras etc. is considered 'makyo'
(hallucinations) and of no importance?
Mike
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Hi Mike,
Chan is the absolute and most fundamental dharma. Chan is the essence
of all and everything.
Chan can be expressed with any kind of word or no word at all.
JM
On 5/19/2013 1:00 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Would it be fair to say that Cha'n still retains more of its original
Hi Bill,
You always insisted that there are differences in zen, Zen, Chan. I can
accept all of that, because all of that is inclusive in Chan. They are
all description of the same one fundamental thing, the universal life
force and wisdom and all of its manifestations.
JM
On 5/19/2013
Hi Edgar,
Yes, I only said half way. What I described earlier will take a person
to the level of Arahant, like Hinayana practice, which is to ferry oneself.
After one awakens from his heart, then he needs to practice Six
Perfections. Begin with giving, not formed giving, but formless
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Hi Mike,
Chan is the absolute and most fundamental dharma. Chan is the essence
of all and everything
Yes, Edgar is right.
The platform sutra said, Buddha dharma is in the secular world.
Enlightenment to Buddhahood occurs in every day life.
In other words, only if we live in harmony with everyone and everything,
seeing the truth in everything and everyone, then we are enlightened.
If we
is in accord with Zen teaching
Edgar
On May 18, 2013, at 10:39 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote:
Yes, Edgar is right.
The platform sutra said, Buddha dharma is in the secular world.
Enlightenment to Buddhahood occurs in every day life.
In other words, only if we live in harmony with everyone
Dear all,
I am looking for Sufi Mysticism teaching materials.
Can some of you give me some online references?
Thank you as always,
jm
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Thank you, Joe. I will check into them. :-) JM
On 11/28/2012 2:06 PM, Joe wrote:
JMJM,
I'd like to recommend you acquire and read the fine collection of
extremely short Sufi Stories -- Sufi gung-an! -- like koans in Zen, by
Indries Shah: WISDOM OF THE IDIOTS. If your students are
Good morning to all,
This morning as I was translating the seminar of our Shifu, Practice
Witness Diamond Sutra, I came across the following translation for your
reference...
Therefore，we need to remind ourselves, Buddha stated this verse,
Meeting me with body and begging me with voice are
Indeed, KG. Thank you.
We use the following instructions -- Focus and not focus. Observe all
and every. Then you see the wisdom in all.
Even during chakra focusing, it is not a mental focusing. We need to
relax the mind, in order to sense with our heart. Heart is where our
spirit
Well Merle. Nicely said. Also sounds simple and wunderbar. For a lotus
to blossom however, lots of mud is needed. If we pick and choose in
the mud, there will be insufficient nutrients. :-)
On 9/21/2012 2:18 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
JM...yes yes yes open the heart and the lotus will be
of Diamond Sutra.
Anthony
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*Sent:* Saturday, 22 September 2012, 1:15
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] seeking traction
Indeed, KG. Thank you.
We use the following instructions -- Focus and not focus
Hi Merle, You probably don't. Many of us still do. All forms exist
for a reason. Just some of us don't know. That's called delusion.
Some may argue, no need to know, then we are back to square one, which
is what you stated, everything is right in front of us. KG calls it
suchness. Bill
need to rewrite them based on the words of modern enlightened masters.
Anthony
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*Subject:* Re: [Zen] seeking traction
Hi Anthony, I am relieved now
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*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: suffering
If I may add to this...
My teacher asks us avoid switching legs during sitting...In
other words
Hi Bill, If you ask any China man, he will tell you observe your breath,
is also called observe your chi. :-)
On 9/11/2012 6:37 PM, Bill! wrote:
JMJM, et al...
My initial teachers encouraged me to switch legs, rock back and forth,
stand up and walk around and even use different postures,
Let me add to this... Surpass all comfort zone, all the knowledge, all
the basis, in short everything, is the key to Chan.
Our minimum requirement is half lotus. Most of the serious
practitioners do full lotus. I do, because full lotus on the floor,
opens up all the meridians near the hip
Yes, there is a whole lot more about chi than just breathing. It will
be covered in my reply to others in the forum.
Thank you for asking.
On 9/11/2012 11:38 PM, Bill! wrote:
JMJM,
That's good information, but I think you mean a whole lot more when
you use the term 'chi' than just
Hi Bill, Our minimum daily sitting is one hour. Mark was asked to sit
two hours at a time, twice a day. Yet, just long hours is useless. In
our schools, we were first trained to connect all ten chakras via three
chi channels, cycle three times in a single breath. Then we were asked
to sit
of
Buddha Nature (ontological energy or Tao) IN the daily world of forms.
Only this is true Zen because it is 24/7.
Sitting mindlessly in zazen can be a useful part of realization, but
it IS NOT the whole of Zen..
Edgar
On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:21 PM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote:
If I may add
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*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: suffering
Let me add to this... Surpass all comfort zone, all the knowledge,
all the basis
. Do you really mean detach? I'm not
sure how long you could survive being Enlightened if you couldn't put
food to your mouth when you're hungry (that's not being facetious).
Mike
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mailto:chan.jmjm%40gmail.com
(or tense the
unused).
On Sep 12, 2012 8:39 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） chan.j...@gmail.com
mailto:chan.j...@gmail.com wrote:
Totally true, Edgar. Yet so far, description can only true in
words and logic.
The key is really whether we realize with our brain, or
realize together
forum said no, except one asked back, what do you mean by
spirituality. :-)
I have learned a lot so far. Thank to everyone. JM
On 9/12/2012 9:06 AM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
JMJM: Did you ever read Journey to the West?
On Sep 12, 2012 8:24 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） chan.j...@gmail.com
mailto:chan.j
realize it is ok to
trick Lao Tsu out of the elixir of life if that's what you have to do.
But don't mess with Buddha - you'll be outwitted everytime.
On Sep 12, 2012 9:19 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） chan.j...@gmail.com
mailto:chan.j...@gmail.com wrote:
Not yet, Chris. What do you recommend? In my
If I may add to this...
My teacher asks us avoid switching legs during sitting...In other
words, it is for training our mind to be detached from our physical
body. Because, the physical body is our first hindrance to
enlightenment. Then there is the hindrance of our mind and hindrance
Hi Bill,
Congratulations.
The reasons that Diamond Sutra continues to emphasize dharma is not
dharma, just called dharma, etc. enables each of us to reflect in our
own way inwardly. If it stated too clearly what it is or it is not,
then the reader could easily be forced to either agree or
Morning Bill,
As you know, I did not read zen literature and not familiar with zen
terms. I had only one teacher who happens to be the patriarch of Chan.
He taught me the following:
1. when we sit on the cushion, try to practice just this ala Bill!
2. when we focus hard and long we will
Correction: 5. when we enjoy life, just let our heart shine through,
ala Merle. :-) Thank you all for your teaching.
On 9/7/2012 7:29 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote:
Morning Bill,
As you know, I did not read zen literature and not familiar with zen
terms. I had only one teacher who happens
Hi Bill,
You are still trying to show me that you are somebody. Sorry.
I have come to realized that only when we realized that we are truly
nobody, then we could be everybody. Then we see the wisdom in everything.
jm
On 9/5/2012 11:31 PM, Bill! wrote:
JMJM,
Thanks for your post. I also
Hi Mike,
Excellent question and a very important one. In short, maintaining in
the state of Jhana is the goal of meditation. My teacher said, when we
are in Jhana, a realm of light (not images), we witness the truth of the
universe. Now, what does it mean and how to get into Jhana
essential
nature to express it directly and if the discussion were only about
that there would be no discussion, and no group.
Best,
Edgar
On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:47 PM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote:
Hi Bill,
Any kind of insistence or resistance is a sign of ego, meaning
attachment to dharma. We can
Ah, yes Merle. What else is there? :-)
It would be perfect, if we could replace the word Jhana with
happiness. :-)
On 9/6/2012 3:39 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
, we would reach the state of Jhana, where our heart would be joyful,
content and loving, as well as in most of our daily lives, we
Dear Merle, I believe that you may already have signed on to our
classes via email. No? jm.
On 9/6/2012 5:40 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
i am interested JMJM thank you..merle
Merle
www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1 http://www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
. If anyone is interest to practice the Lineage
Jhana, Bill. Not madness. Madness is just a superficial description in
human logic.
After repeated states of Jhana, nothing else matters. All become
clear. All acceptable. Then when in sync with Buddha, we know.
jm
On 9/5/2012 8:02 AM, William Rintala wrote:
I've read, all that I have
I sense Bill's continual insistence of his disagreement. Bill! is
attached to it. Especially when Bill! is trying so hard to help Merle
by disagreeing with Edgar. LOL
:-)
On 9/5/2012 8:39 AM, Edgar Owen wrote:
Kristopher,
You keep making excuses for Bill!'s delusions!
Disagreement is
Hi Bill,
Any kind of insistence or resistance is a sign of ego, meaning
attachment to dharma. We can all learn from these postings, because we
can interpret it from both directions. This is Chan -- midway yet
accepting all without judgment or discrimination.
Diamond Sutra said it so
Hello Bill and all,
Thank you for responding. If I may share some perspectives
Some of us grew up as cactus in the desert. Some of us grew up as
orchid in a pot. One can not truly experience the other. No one truly
qualify to judge another. Yet our ego still do.
The practice of
Shall we return to Chan --- ONE and ALL (Xinxinming)?
ALL is all the forms manifested -- the infinite universe including our
languages, concepts, etc. ONE is the natural energy that manifest the
ALL with a set of characteristics, some labels it as Buddha nature. ONE
also means whole,
Dear Merle and Bill (not Bill!),
Thank you for your interest in taking a peek at our meditative technique.
We practice first to reach tiptop physical condition. Only then could
we integrate our body, mind and spirit. Thus a dedicated chi
cultivation is the necessary first step as well as its
Goldie Hawn and Dr. Dan Siegel's www.mindup.com program already adopted
1,000 schools on the east coast. That's what I was told.
On 8/16/2012 8:20 AM, William Rintala wrote:
I heard the other day that there is a movement here in the States to
teach Mindfulness to children in our Public
Hi Bill,
The only one that we have tried and witness interesting effect is the
Omanipedmihom on six major chakras in rotation.
jm
On 8/16/2012 11:41 AM, William Rintala wrote:
Meditation in the 21st century.
A friend of mine is strongly encouraging me to meditate using
Binaural sounds.
Dear All,
Perhaps it is a good time to share a little about my journey.
For the first few years, I was mesmerized by the practice, the sutra,
the wisdom, the chi, the witnesses of an enlightened master, etc. In
other words, I absorbed externally to fill up internally. Yes, during
this
Hi Joe, Here is the link..
http://heartchan.org/en/home/item/66-heart-to-heart-transmission.html
Let me know if you have any other questions. Thank you for the
opportunity to share. JM
On 8/7/2012 8:03 AM, Joe wrote:
JM,
I've participated in transmission ceremonies, where teachers
Hi Joe,
This personal witness is written by Mark Troxell, not me.
Thank you for your interest.
jm
On 8/7/2012 10:55 AM, Joe wrote:
JM,
Wonderful! Yes, and I had read this write-up before. Well done!
I suspect that the transmission may have taken place on a long
meditation practice
Yes, Joe. Very true and most essential. It is a heart to heart
transmission any of us can feel. It is not a ceremony of stamps. If
anyone is interested, I can post the link of someone who received such
transmission... jm
On 8/6/2012 5:15 PM, Joe wrote:
Kris, and other Readers,
In Zen,
Sometimes, a real Kyosaku is necessary. :-)
On 8/4/2012 8:49 AM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
On 8/3/2012 5:15 PM, mike brown wrote:
Sometimes we have to categorise
Who says so?
Categorization happens, we are not bound to it.
Not a problem otherwise.
KG
to it? Why indeed go to a Chan sitting - surely a KKK meeting would be
the same? Categorising might not be an ultimate truth, but it sure
helps me when I go shopping for groceries. Sheesh!
Mike
*From:* 覺妙精明 （JMJM） chan.j
Mike,
Thank you.
A bow to you.
JMJM
On 8/4/2012 9:59 AM, mike brown wrote:
JMJM,
Ok.
Mike
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*Subject:* Re
Hi Joe,
Notice the I in I concur, the I in I second. The I in I
believe.
We are all products of the causations. The I is just a result driven
by ALL.
ALL is.
_/\_
JMJM
On 8/4/2012 10:14 AM, Joe wrote:
I concur! I second the compassionate reflection, JMJM.
I believe in the right
Yes, That's exactly how one of our practitioner, John Ip, described his
experience. John is a devoted Christian for over 20 years. Last month,
he shared, instead of words words and words, after enhancing his
physical state, the Holy Ghost comes into him and he broke down and
cried. He
observation of what was happening if it was shikantaza. I'm
sure one of our more experienced members will clarify the matter for us.
Mike
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Hi Bill,
Thank you for your sharing. Many of our practitioners experience this,
a kind with no joy no sadness. We labeled it as home bound or found
home.
:-)
jm
On 8/3/2012 6:11 PM, Bill! wrote:
Mike and JMJM,
I can tell you when I first experienced Buddha Nature (kensho) while
working
Hi ED,
I respect your endless spirit in learning/understanding. Yet Chan can
not be understood, because the truth is in the states of Jhana, or
deepest meditative realm. That's what's repeated empathized by my
Teachers. JM
On 8/1/2012 8:51 AM, ED wrote:
Bill, Mike, Joe and all,
I
your breath tho ; )
Mike
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*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Zen, samadhi and jhanas,
Hi ED
Hi ED,
Good question. Universal life force is just energy. The Chinese label
of chi just means energy. It is detectable by instruments. We have
several PhD who are scientists specializing in chi within our body,
can detect the chi. (i.e. full lotus enables the chi to flow twice as
fast
Thank you ED for all three posts of yours. Then perhaps it is fair to
say, meaning of spiritual differs slightly from one to the other??
About good, let me tell you a story. In one of my classes, I asked,
Our teacher said, we practice to be beautiful, good and perfect. Those
who agree that
Hi ED,
To me, Chan is quite scientific, logical, easy to understand, grasp and
experience. Nature, God, Buddha, universe, Chan, heart, spirit are one
of the same, because the spirit of it, the essence of it, the true form
of it, are the same. Just like my spirit and your spirit are the same
Hi Bill, From you numerous posts, I did understand that your practice
may not include spiritual component. My teacher said, Chan is a
spiritual practice. It is beginning-less, beyond knowledge and
comprehension. It is the truth with indescribable form, empty yet
manifests all forms. jm
Hmm Bill, Thank you. Very interesting.
Would everyone else in the forum agree with Bill's definition of
[spiritual = 'unearthly' or 'other-worldly' and usually implies
'supernatural', 'sacred' or 'holy'.]?
To me ['unearthly' or 'other-worldly' and usually implies
'supernatural', 'sacred'
Hi Bill,
The key in KG's post was Taoist soil. Well known Taoist practices are
fengshui, Qigong, Taichi, acupuncture, etc. They all cultivate or
channel qi(chi) in different ways. In other words, Sitting Chan is
Taoist, but the explanation is more Buddhist. The reasons for
utilizing
Hi Bill, does mystical mean beyond comprehension or what? Thanks, jm
On 7/22/2012 6:32 PM, Bill! wrote:
ED,
My response below assumes by 'chan' and 'zen' you mean 'Chinese Chan
Buddhism' and 'Japanese Zen Buddhism'. Anyway, my response below is
limited to my knowledge of those...
I only
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