[Zen] Aging and Zen
As we all get older, and some of us are a lot older, the question for me now is this: Does Zen give you everything you want? Are you willing to die sitting on a cushion just saying this is it? No Heaven for you? No Nirvana? No nothing? Just worms?? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Zen and Accountability
In Zen (and/or Chan), what is Accountability? One issue that has come up many times over the years is that some folks think Zen is just Do whatever you want, whenever you want, to or with whomever you want. This philosophy goes to everything, including sex, relationships, money, etc. So is that what Zen is? If you ever ask, Does Zen have a position against X, Y, or Z? The answer is usually not very clear. Is there anything in Zen against betrayal, theft, adultery, etc?? Even if there is, what is the accountability of any person for their sins or misdeeds or karma??? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] 2009 Best Way Pledge
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone has his/her own path. My belief is that letting go through strict training is valid path to Living Zen and Enlightenment, and those that tell you it is not necessary are not helping your path. We should all vote on what is the Best Way and then agree to follow it for one year beginning January 1, 2009. At this point I see five possible gurus: A) JM B) Bill C) Edgar D) Roloro E) Cid If anyone else would like to be considered for the post of official Zen Forum guru of 2009, please post your nominations by Friday. The polling begins on Saturday and the poll will close 12/31/08. Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Repression and Release
[EMAIL PROTECTED] This was a very good poem. I mean it. I enjoyed this little peak at your life. One of the things that has been the most valuable to me about zen is not to be afraid of thoughts. I am not sure if that can be addictive though?? Sometimes I try to maintain a positive attitude and then at some point I am acting in the passive aggressive mode because the positive is so negative to me that I am twisted inside out. So taking a step back and being honest about what is upsetting to me can be a big release and then I have less tension and stress about the situation and it is not so hard to be positive about it because I am being positive while I acknowledge to myself what I do not like about the situation and then I pray: LORD, GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE THE COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE That WISDOM has cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars, perhaps even more, not to mention many years, many tears, many friends, and even some blood. Best wishes, Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Repression and Release
[EMAIL PROTECTED] This was a very good poem. I mean it. I enjoyed this little peak at your life. One of the things that has been the most valuable to me about zen is not to be afraid of thoughts. I am not sure if that can be addictive though?? Sometimes I try to maintain a positive attitude and then at some point I am acting in the passive aggressive mode because the positive is so negative to me that I am twisted inside out. So taking a step back and being honest about what is upsetting to me can be a big release and then I have less tension and stress about the situation and it is not so hard to be positive about it because I am being positive while I acknowledge to myself what I do not like about the situation and then I pray: LORD, GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE THE COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE That WISDOM has cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars, perhaps even more, not to mention many years, many tears, many friends, and even some blood. Best wishes, Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Amorality Zen
roloro1557 I'm sorry if I offended you. You did not offend me. I always challenge blanket New Wave bullshit statements like the one you posted. It is that mindset of anything goes that is a betrayal of the youth of the world and I do not think that anything goes is an appropriate philosophy of life and I am sorry to know that you are a parent. I am sorry that I am being offensive, but I have worked in the juvenile social services system and I have seen many hundreds of kids who are the victims of their parents philosophy that fucking anything and anyone is OK and that anything is good and there is no right and wrong. I do not think that a life of amorality works without hurting others. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Share Your Satori Experiences
roloro1557 No, it wasn't a near-death experience, I had that when I was in a car accident. It might have been a near death experience if *I* was struck by lightning. If you thought your child was in danger, there is plenty of documentation of what that does to your own psychological state. I do not have time to google that right now as I have to go to work. I have my own story about my most profound Satori, and if we were all honest, perhaps we all have some unusual experiences that we personally consider to be Satori. I applaud you for taking your heart out and sharing honestly. I wonder if anyone else is willing to share what they think are their most unusual Satori experiences, or perhaps just those that were outside of the zen temple. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: What's after Satori
roloro1557 as I said, all the overlays on my consciousness fell away- there was no thought, no language, no nothing. The lightning was. I was. That is a near-death experience, similar to those where people get incredible adrenaline rush and do superhuman things do to the stress/excitement/fear/explosion of the moment. It is also similar to being in the zone when doing an intense exercise. However, there are books about near-death experiences that you might want to read. I think that all of those types of moments are some kind of enlightenment. Perhaps due to adrenalin rush, or endorphins, seratonin in the brain, or who knows. Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: What's after Satori
roloro1557 as I said, all the overlays on my consciousness fell away- there was no thought, no language, no nothing. The lightning was. I was. That is a near-death experience, similar to those where people get incredible adrenaline rush and do superhuman things do to the stress/excitement/fear/explosion of the moment. It is also similar to being in the zone when doing an intense exercise. However, there are books about near-death experiences that you might want to read. I think that all of those types of moments are some kind of enlightenment. Perhaps due to adrenalin rush, or endorphins, seratonin in the brain, or who knows. Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: women zen
roloro1557 I think consenting adults should have sex as much as they want with whomever they want. I guess you would agree that you are an amoral and/or immoral person and that you believe that there is no such thing as morals or ethics and you certainly would not tolerate faithfulness? After all, as much and with whomever cannot exist within any human concept of relationships? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: What's after Satori
mike brown You mentioned that someone you know sat in Japan for 3 years but became bitter because they didn't experience satori during this time. Weren't you in Japan for three years? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: What's after Satori
Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another lady spent 12 years in a cave in the mountains, still not awakened. Do you want to know who she is? Or you may already know. The old woman who lived in a shoe? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: What's after Satori
Edgar Owen Of course those 'masters' all have a vested interest in saying that since they run the monasteries where people do zazen. HO-HO-HO, HA-HA-HA! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: What's after Satori
roloro1557 wrote:I didn't even know I'd had Satori until years later. I knew something big or extremely unusual had happened to me, but I had no words for it. So what happened, and how did it happen, and what triggered the satori? How do you know you had it if it is just a distant memory? Have you ever had it again? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] women zen
Jue Miao Jing Ming - most of the men, at least those I know, joined Chan through their woman. :-) Getting Chan through your woman is the best way. Much better than zazen!! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Autumn Comes to Seattle
Bob A sunny autumn day in Seattle (especially a Sunday when you don't have to really rush somewhere) is a joy I've come to treasure, Life is great on a sunny day when you don't have to rush anywhere. The rest of us who are fucked and have to work (7 days a week) would like Nirvana too. Thanks for sharing, Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Most Zen TV Series?
mike brown wrote: None of them, some of them, one of them or all of them are 'zen' - it depends on your interaction with them. Mike. That is my feeling as regards to Roshis, senseis, monks, etc. So I prefer to interact with Zatoichi. He is more interesting and the story lines are more entertaining. Kung Fu would be in second place. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Re: Antwort: JUDO
Bill Smart Praying or chanting while doing cardio would not count. If you're praying, you're Only PRAYING! If you're chanting, you're Only CHANTING! If you're 'doing cardio' (walking/running on a treadmill?), then you're Only DOING CARDIO! So you can't walk and chew gum at the same time? Sounds a bit?? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Test of Character
Bill, Thank you. Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Zen Recovery
I am reading a book called Zen Recovery. It is in my car. I forgot the name of the author. Something like Jung Lil Bo Poep Mu Hojo. The book is very good, but I am only up to page 31. Anyone read it? It was published around 1994. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Test of Character
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I command you to chant 100 Bodhisattva Vows and do 500 bows. I am going to do that. What is a good vow to chant? By the way Bill, if it was not for you and a couple of other folks (but mostly you), I would have given up on this group a long time ago. Hopeful to get back into zazen and then I can give up on this group for a good reason. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Weird Print Characters
It seems like most messages from Bill and some others have these little Cyrrillic type characters in the words. Half the time I cannot read the message because several words in each sentence will have the little characters. I just guess what is being said. Is anyone else seeing those strange letters? It looks like they are symbols, sometimes copyright signs, etc.
Re: [Zen] Dear Bill
From: Chuck GierhartYou ask, Isn't the belief in no intelligent higher power also a religion? I can only say that not believing in something for which there is no evidence is not religion. Believing that everything happened purely by accident is as much a faith as anything else. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Dear Bill
From: Chuck Gierhart Evolution is not an act of faith. It is an act of observation. It's story is told in the fossil record and your RNA and DNA. The head of the Human Genome Project is a devout Christian and true believer in stem cell research. by David Ewing Duncan (published online February 20, 2007)(http://discovermagazine.com/2007/feb/interview-francis-collins) Francis Collins is changing the way we think about DNA. First he helped decode the human genome. Now he oversees a research empire at the National Human Genome Research Institute (part of the sprawling National Institutes of Health), leading the race to find disease-causing sequences hidden in our genes, doling out hundreds of millions in grant money each year, and defending controversial science in the charged politics of Washington, D.C. A devoted Christian, Collins defends evolution and embryonic stem cell research in his new book, The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief (Free Press, 2006). He dismisses religious extremists and scientist-atheists as equally shrill and believes that both sides push their beliefs on a public who prefers that science and religion remain separate. In college Collins found biology boring and trained as a chemist, only to become a physician and then a famed gene hunter at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, where he identified the gene for cystic fibrosis and helped find the gene for Huntington's disease. He blazed into the public eye in the late 1990s during the bruising competition to sequence the human genome; he ran the $3.7 billion public effort while J. Craig Venter conducted a parallel effort using private funds. After much scientific mudslinging, the two sides declared a tie in 2000 and were feted jointly at the White House. Moving beyond mere code breaking, Collins has been focusing on the recently completed International HapMap Project, a genomic atlas of clusters of disease-causing snippets of DNA. The project catalogs human variability and identifies patterns of genes that are linked to health and disease. DISCOVER contributing editor Duncan spent an afternoon with Collins in his offices at the NIH. Collins, a lanky man in well-worn beige jeans and a flannel shirt, has an aw-shucks breeziness about him-an ease that belies his status as one of the most powerful scientists in the world. In your book, you stake a middle ground between the view that there is only science and the idea that an intelligent being directs human affairs. How do you strike a balance? We live in an unfortunate time when the Richard Dawkins crowd says religion is silly, and other people say evolution is silly. Most people don't agree with either extreme. The dominant position in the past for most working scientists was a middle ground: You use the tools of science to understand how nature works, but you also recognize that there are things outside of nature, namely God, for which the tools of science are not well designed to derive truth. The middle-ground position is that there is more than one way to find truth, and a fully formed effort to try to answer the most important questions would not limit you to the kinds of questions that science can answer, especially the eternal one: Why are we all here, anyway? You're a born-again Christian who suggests that therapeutic cloning could be acceptable. Some other devout people consider it fundamentally immoral. What do you see differently? There is a difference between doing research on an embryo that was generated by sperm and egg coming together, which is the way human beings are created, versus the very bizarre laboratory phenomenon of taking a nucleus from a skin cell or the udder cell of a sheep and putting it into an environment that takes it back in time to its stem cell state. In public discourse, they're both called embryos. Even though the somatic cell nuclear transfer approach is a very different biological phenomenon, in many people's minds it has been all blurred together. As a result, we've really missed out on a chance for a much more thoughtful, nuanced discussion, and we're still trying to recover from that. What kind of reaction has your book provoked? I didn't know quite what to expect, but the response has been amazing. Most of the large volume of letters and e-mails I have received have been encouraging and positive, both from the scientific community and from the religious community. A few scientists have written that it is inappropriate for a scientist to write about harmony with faith, because they think that faith already has too much power in the United States. A few conservative Christians have been stridently critical about my endorsement of theistic evolution. Most heartwarming have been a few dozen very personal messages from individuals who had been struggling with whether they were forced to make a choice between science and faith and were relieved to hear that it is possible to embrace both. What did you think you
Re: [Zen] Dear Bill
From: Chuck Gierhart When you ask this question about a blade of grass, the Pacific Ocean or a rock, no answer is possible. You can describe how these things interact with their environment or the benefit we derive from them but thatâ?Ts not the same as a purpose. To ask what purpose these things have is a loaded question. The question itself implies that a supreme being create them for a purpose. So you think that Zen is Atheism? That everything is a product of blind luck and evolution? That one single cell amoeba kept evolving over billions of years into incredibly complex strands of DNA for millions of completely unconnected creatures? Isn't Evolution an act of faith? Isn't the belief in no intelligent higher power also a religion? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Dear Bill
-From: BillSmart@ This is my theory. Dear Bill, One of the problems that I have had had with Christianity is that every minister has their own theory, and they claim everyone else is going to hell. At least the Catholics usually stick to one dogma, but I find the services to meaningless. Catholic Mass is non-stop song and dance. It is like a variety show from the 1970s. So then I go to Buddhism/Zen, and find it is more or less the same shit, different day. Everyone wants to create their own Nirvana, Samsara, etc. Your theory may sound right to you, but when you die and hit the void, Heaven, etc., or whatever it is, I would rather show up with something that has its basis in recognized scripture. It is like going to Disney World with Master-Card and Visa as opposed to bringing a pad of I-O-U-s and hoping Disney will accept it. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Dear Bill
From: mike brown to give any phenonema a sense of purpose would require giving that phenonema a sense of purpose right back to the Big Bang. So there. Which is exactly what a belief in God means. You are saying that in the Buddhist concept it is all just senseless stupidity and mindless unconnected events? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Dear Bill
Don't send any naked pictures showing the cause and effect of time on your body (Young Bill versus Old Bill).
Re: [Zen] Lama's tip: Love or Affection?
You know I have not been a fan of Dolly Lame-O, so I cannot say that I disagree with you about anything. On the other hand, the Chinese commies have a history of repression of everyone. Tiannamen Square comes to mind. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:32 AM Subject: RE: [Zen] Lama's tip: Love or Affection? Al, Not exactly. I'm not saying 'do as I say'. I'm only offering my opinion. I'm also not saying 'do as I do'. I'm just offering my insight on what I do, especially when that is or appears contradictory with what say. But then I'm not the one who claims to be the reincarnation of a Buddhist saint. I'm not the one who has written 10's of books teaching Buddhist precepts to wealthy Westerners. I'm not the one who is coordinating or at least encouraging a people to fight for their attachments. I'm not the one who lives in exile and travels around the world like a rock star with thousands of fawning sycophants. I'm not the one who is an inspiration to the intellectual giants like Richard Gere, and the female movie start (whose name escapes me right now) that voiced her Buddhist opinion that the earthquake in China just might be KARMA's way to punish the Chinese people for their mistreatment of Tibet. Now there would be someone worthy of you doing what they say, but not doing what they do. I am JUST THIS! .BILL! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:20 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Lama's tip: Love or Affection? From: BillSmartat least I am AWARE I am operating in the world of forms at that time. But that is a conscious choice and I am not stuck there. IS that like saying, do as I say, but not as I do? __ NOD32 3224 (20080627) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1521 - Release Date: 6/26/2008 11:20 AM
Re: [Zen] Lama's tip: Love or Affection?
Krishnamurti would say that the discriminating mind is essential to knowing what is right and wrong. IT IS NOT, ALL GOOD Then we are setting ourselves up for exploitation and abuse. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Lama's tip: Love or Affection?
From: BillSmartMy point is the Dali Lama is SUPPOSED to be some big-time Buddhist sage, and yet his actions at present seem to run counter to everything I know about Buddhism. I'm not impressed. ~~YOUDAMAN~~!!! Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Lama's tip: Love or Affection?
From: BillSmartat least I am AWARE I am operating in the world of forms at that time. But that is a conscious choice and I am not stuck there. IS that like saying, do as I say, but not as I do? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Any ideas what this means?
From: Cynth-Graphic Significance Music I was trying to remember a very old chant that I was given over twenty years ago, but the only thing that popped in my mind was this phrase: O ahm naya bendigo. If you are talking about the old hippie chant, Om Nom Myo Renge Kyu or something like that. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Aging Mother
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] too have an ailing mother, and an ailing father. They are 91 and 92 respectively. There are times when I'm overwhelmed by the 'poor, poor, pitiful me' tape playing in my mind because of the burden they are for me and the restrictions their care places on me. They live with you in Thailand? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Any ideas what this means?
From: Cynth-Graphic No, not really. Sounds like something you would chant. It is a Buddhist chant by the way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sqrtj9p7ZUeurl=http://buddhistmusic.blogspot.com/2007/06/nam-myoho-renge-kyo.html here is another link: http://buddhistmusic.blogspot.com/2007/06/nam-myoho-renge-kyo.html NAM MYOHO RENGE KYO Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Any ideas what this means?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPL_gU5KtxEamp;feature=related serious version
Re: [Zen] Stinky Tofu
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming Until we sit and belly breathe for 3 month everyday, no matter how we describe, or explain, or persuade, or teach, or love, tofu till stinks and we still don't know how it taste. The Twelve Step programs usually recommend that you go to at least one meeting every day for 90 days if you really want to get into it. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Intro
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming I apologize for this unorganized list. I am trying to talk to both types of readers - one who practices Zen and one who reads Zen concepts. You have a good sense of humor. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers
From: cid830 What person could be so mean as to try and keep someone from realizing their dream? Tons. Happens every day. Check your local newspaper/TV news. I certainly am not trying to intentionally create any impediments to your progress. I hope you can find your way here and hopefully find more answers and good questions. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Intro
From: Perhaps it is time to reveal the depth and breadth of my practice: . When hungry I eat. . When tired I sleep. . When rested I wake. .Bill! You left out one thing. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008
I can't ignore the cries of an Ego that has been unjustly tarnished. Drama Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008
From: cid830 I swear I contemplated following that sentence with either Dramatic, Little people think alike. We both have a long way to go. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers
From: cid830 I guess that's saying alot about me, huh I guess it says that you cannot hate all the time. Good for you. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Practice begins
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - We face ourselves honestly. We love others with compassion. We do the best we can without expectation. I am going to focus on just that. I remember Krishnamurti seemed to have a harder edge in terms of his philosophy, which was something of buddhism and also what he learned from that organization (Madame Blavatsky?). Forgot the name. Any Krishnamurti fans? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Pretense
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - I signed up many lists include this one with the intention to learn Zen-English You are doing great. Rev. Sodaiho was/is a member (not sure if he is still on). He used to post regularly until he started blogging. I used to read his blog all the time but then he changed the address. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: What It Is In 2008
From: cid830 I don't know what to make of you. You give people a forum to share and discuss their beliefs, and then you mock them? Yes, you do not understand me. I do not understand you. I try to illustrate things in my own way. Some people get it, and some people don't. That is all I can do. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers
From: cid830 Obviously you are incapable of being taught, so why the call for teachers? You know, you were sending me personal hate-emails a while back and I let it slide. Apparently you have some kind of issue with me and perhaps you should disclose what it is in full detail and maybe that will help you understand it. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers
From: cid830 I don't care if you are the Moderator. That is the sad part... for NINE YEARS? And you seemed to have not learned a thing. I think you just feed off of making light of nice people's posts. That is your perception and you are entitled to your fantasy. Irony and comedy are too different things. I don't seek peace, I seek passion. I see people from my perspective, where the rubber hits the road and the well-meaning hearts and open-minds are usually a lot of nothing and a waste of space. My experience with well-meaning hearts and open minds is that those are the biggest hypocrites on earth, the blight on everything that is good in the world, and the weak links in any substantial change. The well-meaning hearts and the open minds never get it done. Look at the great era of the 1960s. All the well-meaning hearts and open minds became the most corrupt generation on earth. They are your politicians, lawyers, stock brokers, accountants, etc. When the well meaning hearts and open minds have to choose between helping others and a gold Rolex or a Lexus, what do you think happens? I think enlightenment is like any other kool-aid. If you buy into the concept, that is half the battle. The other half is finding people that will tell you what you want to hear. Real enlightenment does not need you for verification. It is real. There really are people who have never heard of zen and have no interest in being enlightened who are enlightened. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Helping Others
From: BillSmartI was introduced in the 1960's by a couple of Japanese zen masters living very modestly in Los Angeles, Whatever happened to those kind of people? I remember back when people did favors and helped others without regard for themselves and that went around and around and when you helped someone it did not feel like you were being played or like someone was getting over on you. I think when I realized that a lot of people were getting over on me it changed my perception of life drastically and I cannot say that I have gotten over that. Self-realization can be a bad thing (I am being ironic now, for those who need Cliffs Notes). Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] D.L. Again
Cynth Seriously, though, I was trying to give him the brush-off and he would not stop bugging me. I did not want to play the I'm a mom card, but that was about all I was left to do. Where's the punch-line? Is that when you post your photo? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed is king. Here at zen forum, it is the blind leading the blind. One of the thoughts that I had back when this forum began was that it would be cool for a visiting zen master to join up and participate. Unfortunately, we have gotten a few of those, like Roshi Joriki-Baker and they would only post once every six months. Then we got a couple of monks and they were always complaining about everybody and everything. Compared to the monks, I was like a ray of sunshine. So the monks went away, and now it is even worse. There is nobody on board with any kind of certified, bona-fide knowledge about anything. So I am putting out a call for Roshis, monks, senseis and anyone else with a certified diploma, degree, vocational school certificate or other documentation of zen study. I am not talking about anonymous entities with websites, I am talking about real, verifiable zen teachers. The pay will be very good for your soul if you have one. Deposits will be made into the Great Void. Applications being accepted ASAP. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] D.L. Again
From: Jue Miao Jing Ming It is a Tibetan Buddhism tradition, after the Dalai Lama passes away, his people will look for a new born reincarnated with his spirit to continue that leadership. I am sure, if you google/wikipedia it, you will find it. It is all explained in the Eddie Murphy movie, The Golden Child. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Call For: Roshis, Monks, Teachers
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From a lawyer perspective, itâ?Ts like pro se. â?~We donâ?Tt need no stinking badges!â?â?¦Bill! Why are your messages in cyrrillic script? Have you joined some cult? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Witness First
From: Cynth Kissing is one thing. F*cking is something else. Sounds like we are making progress? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Witness First
From: Cynth [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I wanted to give a guy a mercy f*ck, I wouldn't be divorcing my husband. Where's the love? You have to kiss a lot of frogs to find the right prince... Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Witness First
From: Cynth I'm still not giving it up for a pity story. Nice try. Can we at least meet for lunch? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Ash Wednesday
From: Bill Smart I wish the Dalai Lama well in all of his endeavors, but in the political case in Tibet, to me, he's just another ethnic nationalist. The Dolly Lame-O has gotten thousands of people killed while he sips mint julips in Europe and drives around in a limousine and lives in a mansion. I certainly respect that he has taken the path which he believes is the best for his people, but the bottom line is that he has lived a life of great luxury while instigating others via long-distance and getting many of his followers killed for a cause that he certainly is not willing to die for. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Ash Wednesday
From: Cynth Chinese Army would have him assassinated and they'd choose his replacement to control the people of Tibet. They chose his replacement anyway. Lama is the leader of a government in exile, which is a lot like being the gal standing outside your former employment, picketing after you have been fired. The bottom line is that if the Dalai Lama were to walk the walk, he would be in Tibet. Whether he would be a martyr or not? Odds are that he would be imprisoned. Nelson Mandela spent 24 years in prison for what he believed. Jesus Christ gave up his life for what he believed. So did Ghandhi and a whole laundry list of religious figures throughout history. The pages of history are colored with the blood of martyrs. Dolly Lama is certainly not one of them. He prefers paid speaking engagements to martyrdom. Dolly sits in his mansion sipping mint julips while anonymous monks get martyred on his behalf. A real hero. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Zazen Menstruation
From: Cynth What is the practice of zazen when encountering puns? I went to a three-day sesshin once, and at the end of it, after three days of crappy food and sleepless nights on the floor, we had to listen to the Roshi crack jokes in half-baked English as he got around to telling everyone that they were very far from being enlightened. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Homosexuality and Zen
From: pandabananasock I know this forum has had problems with flaming in the past, but not THIS kind of flaming! I sure do miss those days... Angry flaming monks where definitely entertaining and sometimes enlightening. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: no death
From: Bill Smart Al! Where are you when we need you? Post something provocative so we can all make fun of you and show how smart and witty we are. Unless we get a bona-fide monk to join our ranks, I will not participate any longer. I have not run off any monks since 2004, and that is a long time to be without religious persecution. Feel my pain. If there are any compassionate Bodhisattvas out there, join up so that I can unleash my turmoil on you. With deep respect, Gassho Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Bush Visits Horse Farm
US Prez GW Bush went to Saudi Arabia to visit his fellow billionaire's horse farm so they could discuss how the high oil prices were making the families of both of them so much richer. I wonder. When do two billionaires have enough money? Bill Gates is worth $59 Billion. When does someone like that start giving back 100%? Not that they have any obligation to stop earning more money. I just wonder if there ever comes a day when they just get tired of counting their billions?? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: no death
From: mike brown it's still possible to persecute some of these guys in their absence and without video evidence. No way. Never behind their backs. I am hoping they will someday see how friendly and gay we have become and return for another round of cat and mouse zen. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Zen Temple vs. Gym Workout
From: cid830 You had to pay to visit a Temple? The only Zen temple around here charges $20 per visit last time I checked which was several years ago. Running any building is expensive, so I understand that they have costs. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Zen Koans
From: mike brown Autumn cries for spring... is completely at odds with the spirit of zen Holy shit, a poetry critic? Bankei would kick your ass with a bamboo bat if he were still around and was reading this and had bus fare to your home. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Zen Koans
I am away for a month or so...must get a new business up and running...Hopefully will catch breath and time and check in again by Spring...Peace, Zenbob I thought poets were maintained in the palace by the King?? If Bankei were alive now, he would be very upset about the state of poetry. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Rap Tanka
OK, this is coming from Cypress Hill: 5-7-5-7-7 (OK maybe not) Insane in the brain lights are blinking I'm thinking happy face nigga never see me smile fat boy on diet don't try it attack your ass like a looter in a riot three little putos tried to jack me they got the boot though taking no shit when push come to shove cause the nigga showed me no love Now I got to stand with the glock in my hand there's no scope and no hope cause I just got one slug and it ain't missing Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Rap Tanka
From: Bill Smart Al, I liked this one! ...Bill! Those are excerpts from songs by a band called Cypress Hill... Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Zen Koans
From: mike brown Me too! But it's 'how' we move which determines the zen.. Sometimes how we move determines whether or not you squirt your pants...Ever have the squirts?? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Clean House
From: Bill Smart What stinks? My finger! Fingered thoughts in mind stinky odors permeate zen forum sniff the cushion again Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Zen Koans
From: anatmanwave now I see. Your already way ahead of Zatoichi. Seriously, every Japanese movie about the medieval era seems to show a very harsh society of the HAVES and the have-nots. Considering that these are Japanese movies made for the Japanese audiences, I imagine those films must reflect the popular view of the history of that era. Lots of wisdom to be found in fighting the oppression of the overlords. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: My search for a Zen Teacher
From: Endymion I'm deeply engrossed in the teachings of the San Sa T'u Cha School. I love the three main teachers: Zen Masters La Ji, Mou, and (my favorite) K'ih Li Chou. I've written before about Gutei's one-finger Zen. Zen Master Mou was most famous for his two-finger Zen. Many is the time he would kindly use his two-fingers to open the Dharma Eyes of his two brothers to grant them immense kensho experiences. Three Stooges Zen illuminated my early life. Now I prefer the more subtle Bonanza school of Zen. Little Joe-san, Hoss-san, Adam-san, and Ben-sensei seem to have wisdom beyond their era. Of course, the master of all masters is Zatoichi (for me). If you have never ventured into the Ichi School (pronounced ITCHY), then you are really missing the best of the best. Zatoichi made about 20-25 movies and I believe there was even a TV series in Japan. I have not seen the remake of 2003, but I heard it was a good movie too. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Zen Koans
From: anatmanwave ---I've taken the time to figure out a few, once you get it it makes perfect sense. If they make perfect sense then you are not getting it. It is not supposed to make sense or to be logical or to be understandable in any way that you can explain with words. That is why the old zen monks always carried around a stick so they could make their point by hitting people in the right place at the precise moment. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Zen Haiku of the old days
The Zen Haiku that never made it into the pop-culture books. Keep in mind that there are literally hundreds of thousands of those zen haiku that have never seen the light of day. The scholars have passed them by. Here are a few possible examples. 5-7-5 meter Scratched my nut sack Walked into the forrest Don't smell my finger Dog was barking loud Hunger howls in my belly Dog good with sake Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Zen Koans
From: anatmanwave ---And Al, how would you know that? My study of Zen is limited to Japanese samurai movies and especially the Blind Samurai (Zatoichi). I choose not to read zen books any more. I gave many away and sold the rest on ebay. Zatoichi is easier to understand and much more entertaining than Bankei or Dogen. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Not Caveat Emptor
From: anatmanwave Yes you can practice Zen without offically becoming a Buddhist. Don't forget to send me your $5 donation for the I AM A BUDDHIST membership card. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Personal e-mails
I have gotten personal emails from three people on this forum, and I thought we could all learn something from sharing. One person kept sending me emails asking if Bill was insane. Another person sent me an email telling me that I am a moron. Another person wanted to know how I was doing. Like usual, when I responded to that person I never heard from that person again. Three dysfunctional people emailing another dysfunctional person. Not sure what is the lesson to be learned, but I thought it was dysfunctional enough to share it with the group. Perhaps we should change the name to Dysfunctional Forum? I have noticed that a lot of people who seek the enlightenment of Zen are pretty much avoiding real human contact in many cases (not all). Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor Haiku set
Limited Time Only $5 5-7-5 meter a grasping student stinking of wisdom farted at the zen forum mocking Dogen and other zen masters was easy understanding was not There was an old Bill who looked shrill to sharpen zen master baiters Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Caveat Emptor
I just want to add that this is a FORUM. It is for people to discuss ideas and exchange them. I have been getting some personal emails from various members who I do not know, and I am not a zen teacher so I feel uncomfortable engaging in personal discussions about zen. I have not been trained in zen, and I just enjoy it. If you have a thought or an opinion or a concern, post it to the Zen Forum. That is what it is for. We have never had any casualties here in the past three years or so since the great flame wars of the two zen monks versus me. Then there was the Jarvis incident. You can't make an omellette without breaking a few eggs. This forum has been in existence since 1999. It is generally a nice place, but like any neighborhood, it depends on the tenants for its character. We are all renters here in life and in the zen forum. Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Caveat Emptor
From: cid830 And to Al... I feel you have mocked the practice in prior postings, if I am wrong, I do apologize. Who made you the Pope of Zen? Am I being excommunicated? Are you the person that sent me the nasty email about a week ago? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: beginning again
From: daniel sherwood I'll stop practicing by myself. May I ask why? Or would that be a violation as well? You need to check the archives for the story of Jarvis, the 4th Moderator who was executed in Lower Tibet by the Chinese Government in response to complaints from Bill and other members. We take Zen and the posting of messages very seriously here. As a suburb of Tibet, this group falls under the jurisdiction of China and they monitor the messages and won't hesitate to deal severely with anyone that violates the TOS. The Jarvis matter was a dark chapter in the collective history of this group. We would like to think that we have moved forward since then. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: beginning again
From: cid830 I will retreat to my pillow and breathe, and contemplate the rising and falling of existence. I do some of my best zazen after inhaling the gas from the sacred pillows. Some great memories there. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Thank You To Everyone
Sometime in July, it was eight years ago that I started this group. I have not had much to say. I am very far from enlightened and I often learn more from reading others ideas. When this group was posting regularly, I used to often stir up debates and discussions by having some kind of outrageous remark that got others motivated. I enjoy when the group is active, but I do not want to post comments for the sake of stirring up discussion. I want to thank everyone that has ever joined this group and participated. Some have given a lot of time and energy, and I hope their efforts are always resounding the good karma to everyone. I do not think that I have made much progress over the past eight years on my path, but I have enjoyed the ride. Thank you to everyone. Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Detach from form
From: donald hwong Contentment is not satisfaction and not joy. Contentment is a state of want-nothing. if we could put our best foot forward to let go our reaction to the effects of all existing forms, not be affected by it, just accept as is, we end our suffering. If we want nothing, then why will we want to put our best foot forward? I think if Buddhism had become the predominant religion of the world, we would all be living in huts and caves right now. That might not be a bad thing, but to some degree buddhism is demotivating and defuses desire, ambition, determination, perseverence, and many other qualities that are essential for success in society. Is Buddhism for people who are vegetables, or is it just a tool to reduce stress? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Fw: Christmas or Hannukah?
From: Bill Smart I celebrate every day. What a politically correct Zen answer. No doubt you often get nominated for Student of the Week at your Zen Temple, and have won many times. I can just envision you every day at the temple, first to arrive, your robes always sharply pressed and immaculate, your Zen beanie's propeller always into the wind, a bright smile to every sensei, followed by a humble bow. But there is a little known dark side to your sunny disposition. The side that you keep hidden from everyone, including the Zen Forum. Soon all shall be revealed. With every post, you let a little crack of sunshine into those dark corners. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Fw: Christmas or Hannukah?
Action Figure Vehicle Photo Review Website: http://actionheroreviews.com/ Action Heroes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/actionheroes/ Put Yourself on the Action Figure Collectors' Map: http://www.frappr.com/actionheroes - Original Message - From: Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:14 PM Subject: Christmas or Hannukah? Do any of you celebrate any of the holidays?? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Rare Zen Book for sale
From: Harvey So Daiho Hilbert Hello All, Some of you may know this book. It is rare and quite valuable. A friend has placed on eBay for sale. Link below: Why is it rare and quite valuable? How about talking it up for your pal? Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Zen Teaching On Meditation audio and video NEW SUBJ: 2nd mp3 posted
From: Carlotta Kutschenreuter I tried to open the audio on the 1st part but it sent me to the server requiring login w/password. Is there another link I should try? I have gotten links to videos/audios on some websites that require people to register in order to see/hear them, and my experience is that you get about a million pop-up ads and re-directs. If it isn't posted on YouTube.com or a similarly website that does not require registration, I would suggest that you bypass the offering, it is not worth the hassles. Al Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Mr. R's Contemplative Questions
From: Bill Smart Did anyone have any idea what this posting was talking about? Sure, it was about Mr. R's contemplative questions. I prefer Mr. T, so I watch his new show on TV Land, I Pity The Fool. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Wisdom of the Masters
1. Do not walk behind me, for I may not lead. Do not walk ahead of me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either. Just pretty much leave me the hell alone. 2. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a broken fan belt and leaky tire. 3. It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. 4. Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you can't be promoted. 5. Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else. 6. Never test the depth of the water with both feet. 7. If you think nobody cares if you're alive, try missing a couple of car payments. 8. Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. 9. If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. 10. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. 11. If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it. 12. If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything. 13. Some days you're the bug; some days you're the windshield. 14. Everyone seems normal until you get to know them. 15. The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket. 16. A closed mouth gathers no foot. 17. Duct tape is like 'The Force.' It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. 18. There are two theories to arguing with women. Neither one works. 19. Generally speaking, you aren't learning much when your lips are moving. 20. Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. 21. Never miss a good chance to shut up. 22. Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] True Facts
1. Save The Whales. Collect The Whole Set. 2. A Day Without Sunshine is Like, Night. 3. On The Other Hand, You Have Different Fingers.. 4. I Just Got Lost In Thought. It Wasn't Familiar Territory. 5. 42.7% Of All Statistics Are Made Up On The Spot. 6. Light Travels Faster Than Sound, Which Is Why Some People Appear Bright Until You Hear Them Speak. 7. I Feel Like I'm Diagonally Parked In A Parallel Universe. 8. Honk If You Love Peace And Quiet. 9. Remember, Half The People You Know Are Below Average. 10. He Who Laughs Last, Thinks Slowest. 11. Depression Is Merely Anger Without Enthusiasm. 12. The Early Bird May Get The Worm, But The Second Mouse Gets The Cheese. 13. I Drive Way Too Fast To Worry About Cholesterol. 14. Support Bacteria. They're The Only Culture Some People Have. 15. Monday Is An Awful Way To Spend 1/7 Of Your Week. 16. A Clear Conscience Is Usually The Sign Of A Bad Memory. 17. Change Is Inevitable, Except From Vending Machines. 18. Get A New Car For Your Spouse. It'll Be A Great Trade! (LMFAO!!) 19. Plan To Be Spontaneous Tomorrow. 20. Always Try To Be Modest, And Be Proud Of It! 21. If You Think Nobody Cares, Try Missing A Couple Of Payments. 22. How Many Of You Believe In Psycho-Kinesis? Raise My Hand. 23 . Ok, So What's The Speed Of Dark? 24. How Do You Tell When You're Out Of Invisible Ink? 25. If Everything Seems To Be Going Well, You Have Obviously Overlooked Something. 26. When Everything Is Coming Your Way, You're In The Wrong Lane. 27. Hard Work May Pay Off In The Future. Laziness Pays Off Now. 28. Everyone Has A Photographic Memory. Some Just Do Not Have Film. 29. If Barbie Is So Popular, Why Do You Have To Buy Her Friends? 30. How Much Deeper Would The Ocean Be Without Sponges? 31. Eagles May Soar, But Weasels Do Not Get Sucked Into Jet Engines. 32. What Happens If You Get Scared Half To Death Twice? 33. I Used To Have An Open Mind But My Brains Kept Falling Out. 34. I Couldn't Repair Your Brakes, So I Made Your Horn Louder. 35. Why Do Psychics Have To Ask You For Your Name? 36. Inside Every Older Person Is A Younger Person Wondering What Happened. 37. I was going to procrastinate once but I never got around to it. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] RE: Vote to activate your membership now
From: John Davis Apparently we can't reply to digests anymore. They are supposed to have a new digest format with reply to this message in the post. Sorry to hear that. You might want to switch back to normal e-mails. Have you voted yet? The person who votes the most gets a trip to Hawaii. No ties are accepted though. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Google and Ooogle all the Dharma fit to blab here?
From: Bill Smart Maybe with all your concerns about personal safety you should re-think your Zen Forum moniker: Zen Warrior. How about Zen Non-Combatant? Conscientious Objector of Dharma? (COD) Newsgroup Internet Privacy Lover? (NIPL) If more than half the membership votes to cease allowing the unwashed masses from seeing our insightful observations regarding life, I will be happy to change the setting. The default mode by the way is PUBLIC. I can only wonder how many times someone seeking life's answers has stumbled across our (formerly secret) group and discovered the wonderful thought of Bill and others. We may have changed thousands of lives by being available to any anonymous Googler. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Google and Ooogle all the Dharma fit to blab here?
From: Bill Smart Is this actually Al, the moderate moderator, that wrote this - or could it be Tr*v*s creeping back from the e-netherworld? Even though Jarvis is dead and buried, his spirit lives on. You can dress the monkey, but you can't take him out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Vote to activate your membership now
From: dkotschessa Just don't disclose our secret location or handshake. Well, obviously the Shaolin Temple where the Zen List Moderators meet must remain a secret. The Hong Kong shop where we manufacture our authentic Buddhist altar statues and gongs must also remain a secret. Otherwise, it's all transparent. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Does everyone know you can google the messages in this group? I didn't, ..
What better way to spread the Dharma? Check out the poll and vote! - Original Message - From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: [Zen] Does everyone know you can google the messages in this group? I didn't, .. Hmmm Is that ok for everyone here? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: Vote to activate your membership now
From: Dave it's also a list that anyone anywhere can access via google Tony, I guess to an idiot that wouldn't matter tho Huh? This isn't a secret society. If you thought you were joining the Masons or the Shriners, then you are in the wrong place. The idea of spreading the Dharma is that you try to get the message out to the rest of the world. That Google, Yahoo, and anyone else can access our discussions is a great blessing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] Sodaiho-Roshi in the news
http://thezenforum.blogspot.com/ check out the story. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zen] Re: M o n d o
From: Bill Smart (I wish Travis was still with us and not wandering around lost and disembowled somewhere in the cybernet great beyond. You meant Jarvis? Sadly (for him), his fate was sealed. The Zen Forum takes moderating seriously, and anyone who accepts the job must be willing to make the supreme sacrifice if his or her performance is deemed unworthy. Thus, ego must be extinguished; and so all moderators must take the name of Al. This anonymity is a symbol of our humility. So we all work as one Al. Where one Al ends, and the next Al begins, only Buddha can tell, as usually the seppuku ritual is carried out in secrecy. However, because Jarvis had gotten so out of control (and had refused to use the traditional name of Al); a public example was made so that all the Als would know that there is no room for duality in Zen. Let no one mention Jarvis again. Hopefully he has gone on to the great void or perhaps he has already begun to turn the Dharma Wheel reincarnated as a flea. The New Al Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zen] The Trial of Jarvis
Today, the Council of Zen Lists met to discuss the matter of Jarvis. The Council of Ten is composed of the Moderators and Owners of the Top Ten Zen lists all over the world. For about six months now, he has been moderator of the Zen Forum. His early days as Moderator featured numerous topical posts with peaceful and harmonious discussions. However, his performance has been slipping as of late. On more than one occasion, complaints were filed with the Jarvis has taken a harsh tone towards various other members. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Ten So the Council convened to review the accusations against Jarvis, and this is what transpired: First, Jarvis was summoned to the sanctuary of the Zen Council, located at the Shaolin Temple at an undisclosed location somewhere in the Far East. The Delegates from the worldwide coalition of Zen Lists convened at the temple also. Jarvis was confronted, and the charges against him were read into the Official Blog of the Zen Forum. After the charges were read into the record, the judges were duly appointed, and a jury of monks was selected, and then the trial was convened. The Judgment was rendered. Four of the monks on the jury briefly discussed their decision with reporters from Hong Kong and Tokyo after the verdict was read. The Council had decided that Jarvis' actions could be tolerated. He was forthwith removed from his position as Moderator. Following the tradition of the Zen Forum list, the old moderator was given the option of committing seppuku or being executed. Jarvis chose the former option, sparing the Zen Council any negative publicity. Afterwards, the new candidates were reviewed: Many qualified candidates were considered by the Council to replace Jarvis as the Moderator. Finally, after lenghty discussion and deliberation, Kamandi-san was chosen to be the new Moderator of the Zen Forum! So now a new era begins! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM ~- Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
