Re: [ZION] Rumour about the scriptures

2002-09-29 Thread Steven Montgomery
, even though the post-1980 version had excellent footnoting there were still some footnotes in the pre-1980 version which, imo and in some respects, was better than the post-1980 version. Does anyone know of a LDS study bible in existence--or even an excellent non-LDS study bible? -- Steven

Re: [ZION] LDS study bible

2002-10-02 Thread Steven Montgomery
footnote and document these instances. -- Steven Montgomery At 01:36 PM 10/2/2002, you wrote: I use the Anchor Bible, which is of course much more of an investment (the series isn't finished yet and it already fills 2 1/2 shelves of one of my Ikea bookshelves). But that's a somewhat different

RE: [ZION] Civil Disobedience

2002-10-06 Thread Steven Montgomery
the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Satan (or one's own strong willed opinion) are lacking--the Lafferty Brothers (Dan Ron) of the early 80's come to mind. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explore Freedom: http://www.geocities.com/graymada

Re: [ZION] New documentary on a war criminal?

2002-10-06 Thread Steven Montgomery
of here! The priest says to the hippie, Well, son, I've lived a long and full life---you take the parachute! The hippie says, Hey man, we're cool. The smartest man in the world just jumped out with my backpack! -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explore Freedom: http://www.geocities.com

Re: [ZION] Dove breeding

2002-10-10 Thread Steven Montgomery
sending aid trade to the Soviets. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explore Freedom: http://www.geocities.com/graymada / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] Atomic Holocausts Predicted

2002-10-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
Studies Center, 1984], 24 - 25.) Now I have no idea whether that is what is meant by the Prophet Joel but it is interesting nevertheless. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read

Re: [ZION] Elder Nelson misquoted

2002-10-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
believe that GWB is a descent man--descended, like we all are, from Adam grin. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
himself commanded them to slay the wicked and who occasionally (when the Israelites were righteous) fought their battles. -- Steven Montgomery At 01:07 PM 10/14/2002, you wrote: And Christ came to fulfill the OT law and offer a higher law. (IOW, use the term Bible less categorically and I think

Re: [ZION] Hindsight

2002-10-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
While I agree with you regarding righteous wars, I don't necessarily agree with your statement that Zion doesn't expand through warfare anymore. For instance, why has the Lord repeatedly stated that, after we have done our part, He would fight our battles. -- Steven Montgomery At 07:41 PM

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
combinations flourished because, as Helaman tells us, the Gadianton robbers 'had seduced the more part of the righteous until they had come down to believe in their works and partake of their spoils' (Helaman 6:38). (Conference Report, April 1987, Ensign, May 1987, p. 4; italics added.) -- Steven

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
administration is loaded with CFR members and is every inch an establishment man. http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2000/07-17-2000/vo16no15_bush.htm -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML BODY a href=http://www.getusout.org;img border=0 src=http://www.getusout.org/images/guolink.gif

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
and the meek, and the humble followers of God. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML BODY a href=http://www.getusout.org;img border=0 src=http://www.getusout.org/images/guolink.gif;/a PPBR /BODY /HTML

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
today chose the right side during the War in Heaven. Be on the right side now. Stand up and be counted. (Ibid., p. 387.) -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML BODY a href=http://www.getusout.org;img border=0 src=http://www.getusout.org/images/guolink.gif;/a PPBR /BODY /HTML

Re: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread Steven Montgomery
that the USSR was an imperialistic country. The real reason the Soviets put missiles in Cuba is that is was part of their expansionist policies. -- Steven Montgomery At 09:13 AM 10/16/2002, you wrote: I know what you mean, but technically Khrushchev had nothing to do with the embargo of Cuba, which

RE: [ZION] The Rulers of Darkness

2002-10-16 Thread Steven Montgomery
at it too. John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] Let me pipe in and add that I love the facility that both Jim and Stephen have with the english language. Would that I could craft sentences so well. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] Voting and Parties

2002-10-23 Thread Steven Montgomery
candidate would be elected rather than mediocre or poor candidates who might look better or have that certain popular charisma than more qualified but less popularly appealing candidates. We don't need term limits. We already have term limits if the people so choose--their vote. -- Steven

Re: [ZION] Definition of liberal

2002-10-23 Thread Steven Montgomery
, which is practically the opposite of what the old liberals believed years ago. (The Red Carpet, pp. 206-7.) (Ezra Taft Benson, The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988], 690.) -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML BODY a href=http://www.getusout.org;img border=0

Re: [ZION] War in Iraq

2002-10-21 Thread Steven Montgomery
Hopkin's involvement in the process. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even today

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

2002-10-21 Thread Steven Montgomery
. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even today. --Steven W. Mosher

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

2002-10-21 Thread Steven Montgomery
it was a lapse of judgement on my part. What about the other evidence that Castro was a communist? -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

2002-10-21 Thread Steven Montgomery
. Forget I mentioned it. Perhaps it was a lapse of judgement on my part. What about the other evidence that Castro was a communist? -- Steven Montgomery On second thought, why should I apologize for quoting ETB? After all, this is an LDS religious list, is it not? In your postings

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

2002-10-22 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 12:03 AM 10/22/2002, Marc wrote: What difference does that make to the point I've been trying to make that it was US meddling that paved the way to his [Castro's] rise to power? We have no argument here. I agree. Although probably for different reasons. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL

Re: [ZION] Cult of personality

2002-10-22 Thread Steven Montgomery
-- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Secret combinations . . . are built up to get power, gain, and glory of the world. (See Hel. 7:5; Ether 8:9, 16, 22-23; Moses 5:31.) . . . Secret combinations brought down both the Jaredite and the Nephite civilizations and [have] been and will yet be the cause

Re: [ZION] Stop kicking the stuffing out of Turkey

2002-10-22 Thread Steven Montgomery
. Such was the general thesis in books such as, _None Dare Call It Conspiracy_, _The Naked Capitalist_, and others. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American

Re: [ZION] UN Moral Authority

2002-10-24 Thread Steven Montgomery
, and believe you are right. Although we would probably disagree on the causes. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-26 Thread Steven Montgomery
the temple will be built in Jerusalem. I lean towards McConkie's view but I think we need to separate doctrine from speculation. BRM may be right but his view is not official gospel doctrine. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED

[ZION] Isaiah Study Resource

2002-10-27 Thread Steven Montgomery
Check out Ivan D. Sanderson's magnificent Isaiah study site: http://isaiah.1hwy.com/ -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . it is as much their [The Elders of Israel] duty to study correct political principles as well as religion, and to seek and know and comprehend the social

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

2002-10-31 Thread Steven Montgomery
Things have changed indeed. Got any good job openings up there in maple leaf land? -- Steven Montgomery At 02:40 PM 10/31/2002, you wrote: You really don't want to get into this again. I'd rather face a guy with a bat than a guy with a firearm. Common sense. Ironically, a Canadian is now

Re: [ZION] Imagine that!

2002-11-01 Thread Steven Montgomery
They must be stepping up their attack of these scam letters. I usually receive one or two of these a year, but, for some odd reason, just in the last few weeks I've received several. -- Steven Montgomery At 08:25 PM 10/31/2002, you wrote: I know there's a lot of hilarity in this thread

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Steven Montgomery
. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explore Freedom: http://www.geocities.com/graymada / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-07 Thread Steven Montgomery
by Elijah? -- Steven Montgomery, in sarcasm mode [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-08 Thread Steven Montgomery
; behold, this is the spirit by which Moses brought the children of Israel through the Red Sea on dry ground. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Steven Montgomery
Not only that but what about the innocents who would undoubtedly lose their lives in such an attack? -- Steven Montgomery At 10:09 AM 11/8/2002, you wrote: You weren't attacked by a nation. That's the problem. Paul Osborne wrote: Actually he admitted it on a videotape played on Al-Jezeera

Re: [ZION] Best Arguments on Evolution

2002-11-08 Thread Steven Montgomery
It is! How did you find out? -- Steven Montgomery At 12:31 PM 11/8/2002, you wrote: He did. And I couldn't supply one. It's kind of like saying that the answer to life, the universe and everything is 42. Steven Montgomery wrote: I thought John asked for a single best source on the subject

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Steven Montgomery
and its satellites, and into the general staffs of all the world, a proper respect for human life. (President J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Conference Report, October 1946, Afternoon Meeting 89.) /Quote -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set

RE: [ZION] scriptures are not secular?

2002-11-08 Thread Steven Montgomery
the scriptures much more effectively than many temple attending Saints in our ward. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-08 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 07:20 PM 11/8/2002, you wrote: After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with: If the Democratic party hopes to survive they would be wise to move to the center by backing Rep. Martin Frost of Texas, a moderate. Which is what I think will happen. Choosing Senator Pelosi will ring

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-08 Thread Steven Montgomery
, plans, diagrams and other supplies to the Soviets. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explore Freedom: http://www.geocities.com/graymada / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
Who says there needs to be two major parties? I didn't read that in the 1st Presidency statement. The Democratic demise would pave the way for one of the third party movements, the Constitution party, Libertarian party, Independent American Party, etc. -- Steven Montgomery At 09:17 AM 11/9

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
from an earlier raid on a nearby city) so the bombadier couldn't get an exact target despite three separate passes. The secondary target was Nagasaki which was also obscured by clouds but after a couple of passes the clouds parted, and the rest is history. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED

[ZION] Mars and symbolism

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
... -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
. The historian J. F. P. Veale notes in his book, _Advance To Barbarism_, that Great Britain's bombing of Westphalia was the first deliberate breach of the fundamental rule of civilized warfare that hostilities must only be waged against the enemy combatant forces. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
for? Interestingly enough, President Roosevelt urged the military combatants on both sides to refrain from bombing cities or civilian populations. Churchill and the French promised that only strictly military targets would be bombed by their air forces. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 03:46 PM 11/9/2002, Marc wrote: Trivia question: what major Ally's naval assets were destroyed by another Ally, and why? This was a harder one, but I think I remember it was the Germans who scuttled Italy's ships to prevent them from falling into Allied hands. Am I right? -- Steven

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
that there only be two parties, I would like to see the third parties given more fair play in the media instead of the short shrift they are usually given. -- Steven Montgomery At 03:48 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: That may be why Pres. Hinckley asked Pres. Jensen to give an interview to the Tribune

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
LDS, and the plane was named after his mother. What do I win now? -- Steven Montgomery At 03:49 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: Steven wins first prize! A one-week holiday in beautiful downtown Moose Jaw in the second week of January. Okay. Here's another question: what was the religious denomination

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
French fleet at one fell swoop, to prevent them from falling into German hands and/or for fear that the Vichy French would use them in cooperation with the Germans, much to DeGaulle's consternation. I knew somebodies fleet was scuttled, i just forgot who the actors were. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL

RE: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:17 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: Steven Montgomery wrote: --- I'm just as concerned about one party domination as you are. One problem is that the Democratic Party has steered themselves way too far to the left. --- It appears to me that partisan affiliation is largely irrelevant, at least

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
Actually I've pondered the possibility of running as a democrat in the next State House election. The incumbent who just got reelected ran unopposed, there was no challenger from the Democratic Party. -- Steven Montgomery At 08:18 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: Not so far to the left that at least

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
At least when the temperature gets cold here (Cedar City area) in February I can jump in the car and in 40 minutes be in short sleeve weather. -- Steven Montgomery At 08:19 PM 11/9/2002, you wrote: Yet another week in Moose Jaw, but in early February this time. Maybe we'll allow a side-trip

Re: [ZION] Liberal dems unveil...

2002-11-10 Thread Steven Montgomery
should be anti-socialist) at the same time? -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-12 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:15 PM 11/11/2002, Gary wrote: Wilford Woodruff divided the nations after WWI, including making a new nation called Yugoslavia. He did? grin If so, he must have done so as a resurrected being. ;-) -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . it is as much their [The Elders of Israel

Re: [ZION] War against Islam

2002-11-12 Thread Steven Montgomery
Fundamentalists, I recommend: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/498 -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-12 Thread Steven Montgomery
, beginning about the 1600's or so, there were several treaties which detailed nations conduct during war. Somewhat similar to the Geneva Convention for example, which proscribes signatories from bombing hospitals and outlines proper procedures for handling the captured (POW's). -- Steven

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-12 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:00 PM 11/12/2002, you wrote: After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with: I was talking about civilized nations here. Internationally, beginning about the 1600's or so, there were several treaties which detailed nations conduct during war. Somewhat similar to the Geneva

Re: [ZION] Taliban in Pakistan

2002-11-12 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:00 PM 11/12/2002, you wrote: After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with: I was talking about civilized nations here. Internationally, beginning about the 1600's or so, there were several treaties which detailed nations conduct during war. Somewhat similar to the Geneva

Re: [ZION] Truman (was Taliban in pakistan)

2002-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 09:44 AM 11/13/2002, Marc wrote: Nobody does anything out of ideology anymore. I disagree. What about the ideology underlying the drive for power and gain? -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Explore Freedom: http://www.geocities.com/graymada

[ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
Hardwired for God? http://www.ldsmag.com/sci_rel/021112wired.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
pretty scary, aside from Samuelson's wrong headed opinion of a harmless skit, that I'll distance myself completely from that particular personality. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recall the new star that announced the birth at Bethlehem? It was in its precise orbit long before it so

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
known his will and purposes. A good overview of the different celestial (astrological) events regarding what might have been the Star of Bethlehem is available here: http://sciastro.net/portia/articles/thestar.htm -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recall the new star that announced

Re: [ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
case in point. How did the Russians invade Afghanistan? Over a highway built by U.S. Foreign Aid Dollars with trucks built at the Kama River Truck Plant also built by U.S. help. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML BODY a href=http://www.getusout.org;img border=0 src=http

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
Mazzaroth. Job 38:32. -- Steven Montgomery At 12:11 PM 11/14/2002, Marc wrote: Actually ancients did not make a distinction between astrology and astronomy as we do -- the prohibition against astrology is being read back into the OT, which is anachronistic. Zodiac mosaics have been found

Re: [ZION] truman the villain

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 05:42 PM 11/14/2002, you wrote: After much pondering, Steven Montgomery favored us with: Were it not for economic and technical assistance given to the Soviet Union and Red China by the United States the North Koreans would never have invaded the South. They wouldn't have been in a position

Re: Populations (was Re: [ZION] umbrella)

2002-11-14 Thread Steven Montgomery
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, as the price goes up so does the demand for more drilling and exploration, hence more reserves. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
Ok, I'll take another weeks vacation at Moose Jaw then. Btw, is my vacation there fully transferable? ;-) -- Steven Montgomery At 08:36 PM 11/14/2002, you wrote: You are right and I am wrong (except on one minor point)-- on re-reading it, I see he bases his calculation on the Julian calendar

[ZION] Daily Utah Chronicle

2002-11-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
, Confessions of a Mormon Socialist. http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/news/292850.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue

Re: [ZION] Hardwired for God?

2002-11-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 01:27 PM 11/15/2002, you wrote: Steven Montgomery wrote: Ok, I'll take another weeks vacation at Moose Jaw then. Btw, is my vacation there fully transferable? ;-) Sure. To Bawlf, Alberta, in the middle of the Palliser Triangle (a semi-desert). I'd stick with Moose Jaw if I were you

[ZION] Hu's On First?

2002-11-20 Thread Steven Montgomery
you get Chinese food in the Middle East? -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recall the new star that announced the birth at Bethlehem? It was in its precise orbit long before it so shone. We are likewise placed in human orbits to illuminate. Divine correlation functions not only

Re: [ZION] Does America need to be destroyed

2002-11-21 Thread Steven Montgomery
Gary, Well I guess time will tell which one of us is more correct. I would respond in more detail but I just got back from surgery (Ouch! Where are my pain pills?) so I hope you'll forgive me for not responding in more detail. -- Steven Montgomery At 09:38 AM 11/21/2002, you wrote: Steven: I

Re: [ZION] Redelfs' International Odyssey Report

2002-11-26 Thread Steven Montgomery
I am thrilled that you had such a good times with such good people. -- Steven Montgomery At 04:29 PM 11/25/2002, you wrote: Greetings from the wild man of the north. I want to give a brief account of my adventures in Utah, Alberta and British Columbia. A full report will have to be filed

RE: [ZION] Toiletese (was Coffee, Tea, or Eternity)

2002-11-29 Thread Steven Montgomery
to a point where you can pull it out by hand. I've dislodged many a toy and various other paraphernalia using this method grin. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recall the new star that announced the birth at Bethlehem? It was in its precise orbit long before it so shone. We are likewise

Re: [ZION] Celestial show

2002-11-29 Thread Steven Montgomery
Cool. 7 seconds is a long time for a meteor to streak across the sky. Must have been spectacular. -- Steven Montgomery At 06:04 PM 11/29/2002, you wrote: Yesterday morning (28/11) my wife was up early and saw the meteor of her life. A very bright greenish-white fireball that lasted for 7

Re: [ZION] Are any of you having problems?

2002-12-09 Thread Steven Montgomery
The only problem I have right now is lack of time. Seems as if my life has suddenly become extremely busy. ;-) -- Steven Montgomery At 07:41 PM 12/8/2002, you wrote: I think it's just been quiet. Everyone's still digesting turkey and cranberry sauce. John W. Redelfs wrote: I haven't received

[ZION] NOMA: A Contrarian view

2002-12-13 Thread Steven Montgomery
://www.meridianmagazine.com/sci_rel/021211war.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recall the new star that announced the birth at Bethlehem? It was in its precise orbit long before it so shone. We are likewise placed in human orbits to illuminate. Divine correlation functions not only in the cosmos

[ZION] Church News Article

2002-12-20 Thread Steven Montgomery
. Most of the labor involved was performed by the deacons of a local Cedar City ward. Eric was really excited and it was good for all of those involved. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recall the new star that announced the birth at Bethlehem? It was in its precise orbit long before it so

[ZION] test

2002-12-20 Thread Steven Montgomery
Test -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recall the new star that announced the birth at Bethlehem? It was in its precise orbit long before it so shone. We are likewise placed in human orbits to illuminate. Divine correlation functions not only in the cosmos but on this planet, too. After

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-27 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 08:19 PM 5/27/2003, you wrote: It makes me wonder, can it really be long before the Elders of the Church have to save the constitution? Scott . . . if it can be saved at all. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . today the Christian Constitutionalist weeps as he walks about his

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-27 Thread Steven Montgomery
of Israel when many of them don't even know its basic precepts? For instance, how many Elders know the reason the Founders setup the Electoral College the way they did? Or the reason that originally, before the 17th amendment, that Senators were elected by State legislatures? -- Steven Montgomery

RE: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Steven Montgomery
be President Ezra Taft Benson's talk entitled, The Constitution: A Heavenly Banner, which can be read here: http://www.geocities.com/graymada/tcahb.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . in the future the opposition from Satan will be both more subtle and more open. While in some ways

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Steven Montgomery
few weeks that I might have missed it. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and mathematics can be a healthy fare for political heroes

[ZION] Test

2003-06-01 Thread Steven Montgomery
Test. (My email has been bouncing. This is a test to see if the problems have been resolved) -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com

RE: [ZION] Test

2003-06-01 Thread Steven Montgomery
Well, any landing you can walk away from is a good one. -- Steven Montgomery At 09:14 AM 5/31/2003, you wrote: No bounce at this end. You message landed with a solid thud. But, not to waste a perfectly good email: Many years ago at an international airport, I was in an airplane behind

[ZION] Mouth of the Righteous

2003-06-10 Thread Steven Montgomery
with arguments of substance and simply ignore insults, verbal assaults and slander? -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is no accident, then, that so many who gathered at Philadelphia to declare independence and a decade later to draft a constitution were men who had apprenticed themselves

Re: [ZION] Goodbye

2003-06-11 Thread Steven Montgomery
to the effort we put into them. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and mathematics can be a healthy fare for political heroes.Clinton Rossiter

Re: [ZION] Lies about Iraqi museum just tip of iceberg

2003-06-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
at least 10 million Kulaks. Other errors made by the Times was that Fidel Castro was the George Washington of Cuba and not a communist, and that Mao was merely an agrarian reformer and not the committed Marxist-Leninist that he was. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing can now

Re: [ZION] Goodbye

2003-06-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
. Perhaps you can name it the ZION-FRIENDS list. I would certainly enjoy such a list but then you may not like my association. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin

RE: [ZION] Lies about Iraqi museum just tip of iceberg

2003-06-17 Thread Steven Montgomery
in their attempts to lead public opinion. How many saw the news reports about looting in Iraq, and immediately believed the stories? Why are we so gullible and naive? Same reason that Utah is the fraud capital of the United States? -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is no accident, then, that so many

[ZION] John Birch Society in Utah

2003-06-17 Thread Steven Montgomery
to the dangers of a potential police state at home while a global government is being built abroad. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is one and only one legitimate goal of United States foreign policy. It is a narrow goal, a nationalistic goal: the preservation of our national independence

Re: [ZION] Doing Lunch

2003-06-18 Thread Steven Montgomery
, but that is not certain. Your friend and brother, John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't you mean 801-465-2505? ;-) -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is one and only one legitimate goal of United States foreign policy. It is a narrow goal, a nationalistic goal: the preservation of our

RE: [ZION] Danites

2003-06-18 Thread Steven Montgomery
ago. An excellent book, that I also read about 30 years ago. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The United States goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is a well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. If the United

[ZION] Weapons of Mass Delusion

2003-06-18 Thread Steven Montgomery
. The irony is that the administration's failure to find the alleged huge stockpiles of WMDs, and to end the ongoing turmoil in Iraq and bring home the troops, can only serve to justify having the UN take over. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is one and only one legitimate goal of United

RE: [ZION] Doing Lunch

2003-06-19 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 03:43 PM 6/19/2003, you wrote: Steven Montgomery wrote: At 11:46 AM 6/18/2003, you wrote: I am in the SLC-Provo-Orem area for the next several days. If anyone would like to get together for lunch or something similar, give me a call at 907-465-2505. If I'm not there, leave a message

Re: [ZION] Doing Lunch

2003-06-19 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 01:08 PM 6/19/2003, you wrote: At 12:16 PM 6/18/03 -0600, Steven Montgomery wrote: At 11:46 AM 6/18/2003, you wrote: I am in the SLC-Provo-Orem area for the next several days. If anyone would like to get together for lunch or something similar, give me a call at 907-465-2505. If I'm

RE: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-21 Thread Steven Montgomery
grateful then that the mid-eastern tradition of greeting is not followed then. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-21 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 10:48 AM 6/21/2003, you wrote: On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:06:02 -0600 Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You ought to be even more grateful then that the mid-eastern tradition of greeting is not followed then. Why? What do they do? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Holy (Or, I suppose

Re: [ZION] hand shakes

2003-06-24 Thread Steven Montgomery
thesis, that one of the reasons western culture and civilization developed and persevered was due to the fact that that particular stock of people had more immunity built up than other races or peoples. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [ZION] Dead List

2003-07-11 Thread Steven Montgomery
the Devil and all his minions rage against righteousness that rather than hurt, it actually attracts the honest in heart to the gospel. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Editor, The Constitutional Broadside Newsletter http://www.thecbn.net

Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Steven Montgomery
the condemnation was still in effect. I believe him. Just because President Benson is dead and no longer around does not mean the curse is dead. Silence from our current Prophet does not necessarily mean the curse is no longer in effect. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance

Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)

2003-07-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
-- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and mathematics can be a healthy fare for political heroes.Clinton Rossiter

[ZION] LDS Pundit

2003-07-15 Thread Steven Montgomery
At least this political pundit is not afraid to quote Latter-day Scripture: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/7/13/173633.shtml -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce

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