Deal!!!
Cousin (well, actually Brother, I think) Jon
Cousin Bill wrote:
> At some point in the past, Jon wrote:
>
>
> > Well, I voted for Bush and I will again next time.
> --
> As did many other people that I know and love. I won't hold it (your
voting
> for Bush) against you i
At 10:48 PM, Wednesday, 10/23/02, Cousin Bill wrote:
Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote for
the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know better.
I have noticed that on some of the websites run by people with politics
similar to my ow
>Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote
for
>the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know
>better.
>
>Cousin Bill
Hey, you just called me a fool. (don't worry, I'm sure I am)
I voted for Reagan the first time and I was only 18. I voted fo
At some point in the past, Jon wrote:
> Well, I voted for Bush and I will again next time.
--
As did many other people that I know and love. I won't hold it (your voting
for Bush) against you if you won't hold (the other) it (my not voting for
Bush -- and no, I didn't vote for Go
Well, I voted for Bush and I will again next time.
Jon
- Original Message -
From: "Cousin Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Hindsight
> At some point in the past, Paul asked:
>
At some point in the past, Paul asked:
So, who all on this list
> voted for Bush?
-
Not I, said Cousin Bill. Nor will I ever vote for a Bush. I did vote for
the first Bush. That was when I was young and foolish and didn't know
better.
Cousin Bill
//
>Gore is a Gadianton too, so what choice do any of us have? I wouldn't
>fault President Hinckley for voting for a Bush Gadianton before a Gore
>Gadianton. Who knows? Perhaps he voted for Patrick Buchanan like I
>did. Or better yet, perhaps he voted the rest of the ballot and left
the
>presi
At 01:39 PM, Tuesday, 10/22/02, Paul Osborne wrote:
Sounds reasonable to me.
Wouldn't it be a gas to learn that President Hinkley did in fact vote for
Bush? I wonder what JWR would say then? Would he then take back his
Gadianton accusations?
Gore is a Gadianton too, so what choice do any of us
OK. I was just wondering -- I won't argue the point.
Paul Osborne wrote:
> Marc:
> >Now this is an interesting thought. Do you really think this follows?
> (that the
> >prophet's personal vote should, if it were known, be the example for the
> rest of
> >us?) And how do you handle the fact that i
Marc:
>Now this is an interesting thought. Do you really think this follows?
(that the
>prophet's personal vote should, if it were known, be the example for the
rest of
>us?) And how do you handle the fact that in any case this *can* only
apply to a
>minority of LDS, since most LDS are not US?
Fi
Paul Osborne wrote:
>
>
> My point was two fold. If Bush was indeed a Gadianton as JWR says he is
> it would be a sad and sorry thing for President Hinkley to vote for him.
> That would really bother me quite a bit. O boy O boy!
>
I'm not sure I see that, but I won't argue the point.
>
> Secon
Marc:
>Although I don't agree with John's terminology and system of reference
in this
>regard, logically speaking I don't see why he'd have to take back his
>accusations. It's still a civic duty to vote -- that's clear LDS
doctrine as far
>as I know (okay, I'm extrapolating from the 12th AoF, but t
Although I don't agree with John's terminology and system of reference in this
regard, logically speaking I don't see why he'd have to take back his
accusations. It's still a civic duty to vote -- that's clear LDS doctrine as far
as I know (okay, I'm extrapolating from the 12th AoF, but the point i
Sounds reasonable to me.
Wouldn't it be a gas to learn that President Hinkley did in fact vote for
Bush? I wonder what JWR would say then? Would he then take back his
Gadianton
accusations?
Paul O
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:15:49 -0600 "Marc A. Schindler"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I look at it
I look at it this way. Think of a time when maybe someone you didn't like got
called to be the bishop or SP or even a GA. You really thought this guy was in
over his head, or was a jerk. Whatever. So, what do you do? I raise my hand to
sustain the man (or woman). This is not a voting process. Sust
>I'm sure they do, but that wasn't the question I was raising. I was
raising not
>the question of knowledge, but of trust. Rule #1: follow the money. How
do you
>know that Bush is listening to US intelligence (which, btw, has a less
than
>sterling record).
I don't know if Bush is listening to US
I'm sure they do, but that wasn't the question I was raising. I was raising not
the question of knowledge, but of trust. Rule #1: follow the money. How do you
know that Bush is listening to US intelligence (which, btw, has a less than
sterling record).
Paul Osborne wrote:
> Sorry Marc,
>
> I thi
Glad to hear it. I have to admit I never got to know many of the "locals" when I
lived there, but I had a companion from Provo, and he'd had no idea. That just
goes to show you the "power" of anecdotal statistics, I guess.
Steven Montgomery wrote:
> At 01:38 AM 10/20/2002, Marc wrote:
> >all buil
Gary Smith wrote:
> Okay, why not Pakistan? I admit they are a nuclear power. I admit there
> are many radical Islamists there. However, just as in Iraq, Musharaf is a
> secular leader. He may be Muslim, but does not show forth the radicalism
> of others. We don't need to risk war with someone w
So seth you. I sis it differently. "My name is Anubeth. Who hath a problem with
that?" -- a recent New Yorker cartoon.
Paul Osborne wrote:
> >Are you certain that our God is the one who commanded the Egyptian
> >Pharaoh? Maybe it was one of those gods with animal heads.
>
> Hey--Joseph Smith ide
Gary wins a two-week vacation on the Black Sea!
Gary Smith wrote:
> We had placed missiles in Turkey.
>
> K'aya K'ama,
> Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www
> .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html
> "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." -
> Johan
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:04:23 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> At 19:23 10/16/2002 -0800, BLT wrote:
> >We all have something of value to bring to the Church, even the lowliest
> >among us.
>
> You rang
No, Till, I think that was for me.
Scott
--
Buttered bread alway
I don't know where Pres. Hinckley or Monson stand -- to my knowledge they've
never said -- but Pres. Faust has been active in the Democratic Party for years,
and has made no secret about it. N. Eldon Tanner, a member of a 1P who has
personal meaning for me (because I met him when I was a young chi
>I don't think it means other saints aren't inspired. They just have
>different gifts.
Yeah, the gift to elect a Gadianton Robber for President. It sure was
close. Thank you UTAH!
;-)
Paul O
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>I don't think it means other saints aren't inspired. They just have
>different gifts. Seeing a sinister pattern in current events is
apparently
>not one of them. No problem. They are strong in other areas. And we
who
>can clearly see these things have other areas where we are
>blind. Ac
At 01:02 10/16/2002 +0800, Bishop Mark wrote:
>
> > Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8>))
>
>Now don't start that again! Two more years, my friend.
I know, I know, but in a moment of weakness we succumbed to temptation ..
Till
//
After careful consideration, Paul Osborne wrote:
Well, it's certainly nice to know that you guys are more inspired then the
rest of the LDS voters. Too bad the Spirit hasn't touched the saints who
voted Republican. They will pay for their errors! Repent you heathen
Republicans!
---
I don't thi
>All be if you were to do a study you would learn that
>the so-called conspiracy theorists are a lot more likely to have a years
>supply of food that the average active member. They vote differently
too,
>so they will not have nearly as much to answer for when they stand
before
>the Judge.
I'm sure he does. But I was just repeating the promise as written.
Jon Spencer wrote:
> Marc A. Schindler wrote:
> > D&C states clearly that if we follow his conditions, he'll fight out
> battles for
> > us.
>
> Doesn't God do most of His work through us?
>
> Jon
>
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce G
Scott McGee wrote:
> Mark, Marc, and John,
>
> Let me ask you a questions. I accept that our government is sufficiently
> controlled by gadiantons that I have no real voice it. I see no way to
> elect a truly worthy candidate now.
>
> My question, then, is what is the answer? As far as I can se
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:00:46 -0800, "John W. Redelfs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> After careful consideration, Scott McGee wrote:
> >I agree that some things were obvious. This, for me, was not one of them,
> >until one of the Lord's spokesmen told us in conference that we were to
> >be peacemaker
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:13:41 -0800, "John W. Redelfs"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> war, but not until then. The Law of War requires us to take the first
> hit. Actually, it requires us to take the first four hits, but one in
> any
> case.
Once, this nation could be counted on to act honorably.
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:19:38 -0400, "Jon Spencer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> John -
> Surely you miswrote! Are you trying to say that the Nephites were at war
> with terrorists (the Gadiantons)? Or are you saying that the only time
> the
> Nephites struck out at the Gadiantons was when the Lama
After careful consideration, Scott McGee wrote:
>I agree that some things were obvious. This, for me, was not one of them,
>until one of the Lord's spokesmen told us in conference that we were to
>be peacemakers. I beleived him and now, to me, it is obvious. We should
>NOT be making war on Iraq.
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:16:44 -0400, "Jon Spencer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > I would do a complete flip-flop on war with Iraq if the Lord commanded
> > us. But to the best of my knowledge he has not, has he? --JWR
>
> You need not be commanded in all things. Some things are obvious! :-)
J
After careful consideration, Scott McGee wrote:
>Let me ask you a questions. I accept that our government is sufficiently
>controlled by gadiantons that I have no real voice it. I see no way to
>elect a truly worthy candidate now.
I don't either. The time for that is past.
>My question, then, i
After careful consideration, Jon Spencer wrote:
>Surely you miswrote! Are you trying to say that the Nephites were at war
>with terrorists (the Gadiantons)? Or are you saying that the only time the
>Nephites struck out at the Gadiantons was when the Lamanites were also
>attacking the Nephites?
>
After careful consideration, Jon Spencer wrote:
> > I would do a complete flip-flop on war with Iraq if the Lord commanded
> > us. But to the best of my knowledge he has not, has he? --JWR
>
>You need not be commanded in all things. Some things are obvious! :-)
According to the Lord's Law of W
> My question, then, is what is the answer? As far as I can see, there is no way to
>run the gadiantons out of control short of causing a majority of the people to repent
>and seek for rightiousnes. That is what the people of the Book of Mormon had to do.
I agree. So it isn't going to hap
Marc A. Schindler wrote:
> D&C states clearly that if we follow his conditions, he'll fight out
battles for
> us.
Doesn't God do most of His work through us?
Jon
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The Lord explicitly says that if we follow his conditions he'll fight our wars
for us.
Jon Spencer wrote:
> > I would do a complete flip-flop on war with Iraq if the Lord commanded
> > us. But to the best of my knowledge he has not, has he? --JWR
>
> You need not be commanded in all things. S
Mark, Marc, and John,
Let me ask you a questions. I accept that our government is sufficiently
controlled by gadiantons that I have no real voice it. I see no way to
elect a truly worthy candidate now.
My question, then, is what is the answer? As far as I can see, there is
no way to run the gad
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:22:48 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8>))
Till, Scott is tired too. However, should you feel it worth calling an
award, I consider you my friend and that is not an "award" I hand out
often
Gary Smith wrote:
> Wait a minute Capt Moroni lived under the Mosaic Law. Surely that
> command is what would apply to him. Besides, just because Christ
> fulfilled the Mosaic Law, does not mean he totally supplanted it. There
> are many things in the Law of Moses we still abide by: Ten Co
John -
Surely you miswrote! Are you trying to say that the Nephites were at war
with terrorists (the Gadiantons)? Or are you saying that the only time the
Nephites struck out at the Gadiantons was when the Lamanites were also
attacking the Nephites?
If so, then its back to the Book of Mormon fo
> I would do a complete flip-flop on war with Iraq if the Lord commanded
> us. But to the best of my knowledge he has not, has he? --JWR
You need not be commanded in all things. Some things are obvious! :-)
Jon
/
//
At 15:03 10/15/2002 -0400, Jon the confused wrote:
>Opps! You are a Bishop now, aren't you? Well, you say you want another
>ward? You're wacko!
>
>Jon
>
>
> > > Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8>))
> >
> > No. You want a ward? You really want to be a Bishop? You t
At 14:57 10/15/2002 -0400, mean ol' Jon wrote:
> > Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8>))
>
>No. You want a ward? You really want to be a Bishop? You think you're
>tired now
Noo, n, no
Till (Where's the Tam when we really need her?)
After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote:
>As I mentioned in a previous post, Capt Moroni was involved in pre-emptive
>attacks.
Captain Moroni's pre-emptive attacks were in the context of an ongoing
war. I don't believe he ever attacked the Lamanites or the Gadiantons
during a time of pe
After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote:
>And wars of aggression were commanded by God. If something is commanded
>of God, like Nephi slaying Laban, does that command suddenly get
>supplanted by Christ's law? Would that mean that we should look upon
>Nephi's killing Laban as an evil act, sin
I pretty much agree with everything you said, Gary. And, I want to thank
you for serving in the Armed Forces.
Paul O
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:17:42 -0500 Gary Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Wait a minute Capt Moroni lived under the Mosaic Law. Surely
> that
> command is what would app
I take your post in the spirit intended. As you know, my "energy" is ephemeral and I
have the advantage of having more control over my time, although not in a way I'd
prefer. At any rate, I'm glad someone's finally noticed that neither John nor I are
getting answers to what I think are pretty s
Finally, someone else is beginning to see the danger Pakistan presents. One minor
correction: Saddam Hussein is not an "Islamic" military dictator. He's a
secularist, albeit still a military dictator.
Larry Jackson wrote:
> John Redelfs:
>
> After careful consideration, Larry Jackson wrote:
> >I
Opps! You are a Bishop now, aren't you? Well, you say you want another
ward? You're wacko!
Jon
> > Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8>))
>
> No. You want a ward? You really want to be a Bishop? You think you're
> tired now
>
> Jon
/
> Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8>))
No. You want a ward? You really want to be a Bishop? You think you're
tired now
Jon
/
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John Redelfs:
After careful consideration, Larry Jackson wrote:
>I don't think we're after him because of September 11th. I
>think we're after him because our president believes he
>plans to obtain a nuclear weapon and use it against us.
>
>I haven't noticed any of those other countries planning
> Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8>))
Now don't start that again! Two more years, my friend.
= Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
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At 00:15 10/16/2002 +0800, Bishop Mark wrote from his elevated position:
>I'm just happy to see that neither Marc nor John is tired. You have to
>admire their energy.
Till is tired. Does that mean he is not worthy of awards? 8>))
///
> So I will ask yet again: why Iraq specifically and not Pakistan? Pakistan is a
> far greater threat.
You have got to admire Marc for his tenacity. I vote for some kind of award for him
for this constant call to examine just who needs to be pounded. John is beating the
same drum with sl
And these are wars of expansion how, exactly? Utah taking over Colorado with the
Lord's angels at the head of legions of BYU sophomores?
Johnson's Army was a long time ago. We are not beset by the kind of situation that
the Israelites were.
Steven Montgomery wrote:
> While I agree with you rega
After careful consideration, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I don't think we're after him because of September 11th. I
>think we're after him because our president believes he
>plans to obtain a nuclear weapon and use it against us.
>
>I haven't noticed any of those other countries planning to
>do so.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> John Redelfs:
>
> And Saddam is? What makes you think he is behind the
> attack on 9-11? Actually, if you trace the money and arms
> back another notch, I think you will find that Russia and
> China are heavily promoting terrorism, using these Saudis,
> Iraqis, Afgh
John Redelfs:
And Saddam is? What makes you think he is behind the
attack on 9-11? Actually, if you trace the money and arms
back another notch, I think you will find that Russia and
China are heavily promoting terrorism, using these Saudis,
Iraqis, Afghanis, etc. to hide their meddling. M
While I agree with you regarding righteous wars, I don't necessarily agree
with your statement that "Zion doesn't expand through warfare
anymore." For instance, why has the Lord repeatedly stated that, after we
have done our part, He would fight our battles.
--
Steven Montgomery
At 07:41 PM
The law is the same: a war is righteous if the Lord commands it (this is in the
BoM, the D&C and in numerous 1P statements). But since the meridian of time there
have been few, if any, such commandments. Zion doesn't expand through warfare
anymore. That's what's meant by fulfilling the law. You do
So, when the LORD declared unto Joshua that he had delivered the Amorites
into his hand or when the LORD himself cast down "great stones from heaven"
to slay the Amorites this was somehow fulfilling a lesser law? I fail to
understand how the Israelites were somehow keeping a lesser law when God
And Christ came to fulfill the OT law and offer a higher law. (IOW, use the term
"Bible" less categorically and I think you'll see a stark contrast between OT and
NT ideas).
Jon Spencer wrote:
> John W. Redelfs wrote:
> > Actually, the only time the Nephites went on a search and destroy mission,
After careful consideration, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Larry Jackson wrote:
> > It was a clear day in New York last year, too.
>
>When *Saudis* attacked it.
>
>So bomb Riyadh, Dammam, Dhahran, Taif, Jiddah,
>Mecca or Medina.
>
>___
>
>Why? That's not where the source of the problem is
John W. Redelfs wrote:
> Actually, the only time the Nephites went on a search and destroy mission,
> following the Gadiantons up into the mountains, they were soundly defeated
> and had to withdraw. The Book of Mormon is the story of national DEFENSE,
> not offense. --JWR
Your offense is my de
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> After careful consideration, Jon Spencer wrote:
> >Have anyone in mind? Would you care to share the fruits of your
> >investigations? Or were you just speaking generally about persons unknown?
>
> How about the heads of state in Libya, Syria, Cuba, and North Korea,
>John W. Redelfs wrote:
> Sadam doesn't have an ideology. If he does, it is "I'm boss, and I'll
> crush anyone who tries to tear down my power." Quite a few world
leaders
> seem to share this ideology, even some in our own country.
>>Jon
>>Have anyone in mind? Would you care to share the frui
No? Who financed the al-Qaeda. It wasn't Iraq. It was Saudi Arabians, using
Pakistan as a training base, and Afghanistan as a base of operations. Sure Iraq
probably had a hand in it -- probably every ME country except Israel and Jordan
did in one way or another. What I don't understand is this obs
After careful consideration, Jon Spencer wrote:
>Have anyone in mind? Would you care to share the fruits of your
>investigations? Or were you just speaking generally about persons unknown?
How about the heads of state in Libya, Syria, Cuba, and North Korea, just
to start the list? How about
After careful consideration, Jon Spencer wrote:
>However, as I pointed out in another post, they were constantly performing
>search and destroy missions against the terrorists - er - the Gadiantons.
>Saddam may occupy a vaulted position in a country, but he is a Gadianton,
>and we are not attackin
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