On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 07:35:48AM -0800, Hafeliel wrote:
> My thanks to everyone who took the time to reply.
>
> Here's what I'm hearing:
>
> [1] Many of you agree that the Zope Book is woefully
> incomplete. Paul, for example, was kind enough to
> point out that the Image class is a descendent
Philip Kilner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Michael,michael nt milne wrote:> Is there a reason that the Plone list gets 3 times the level of postings> that the Zope list gets? Yes. because it is a more mature and> constructive support environment which actually helps promote the product.
>Bollocks.:-)
--On 15. November 2006 07:35:48 -0800 Hafeliel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My thanks to everyone who took the time to reply.
Here's what I'm hearing:
[1] Many of you agree that the Zope Book is woefully
incomplete. Paul, for example, was kind enough to
point out that the Image class is a des
Hafeliel escribió:
My thanks to everyone who took the time to reply.
Here's what I'm hearing:
[1] Many of you agree that the Zope Book is woefully
incomplete. Paul, for example, was kind enough to
point out that the Image class is a descendent of the
Persistent class.
I opened my Zope Book ba
My thanks to everyone who took the time to reply.
Here's what I'm hearing:
[1] Many of you agree that the Zope Book is woefully
incomplete. Paul, for example, was kind enough to
point out that the Image class is a descendent of the
Persistent class.
I opened my Zope Book back up to see how I co
Chris Withers said the following on 11/15/2006 09:00 AM:
>> But us going on like "you obviously don't get it, do you? In fact, you
>> dont seem to get anything about the web, even. Go away!"
>
> If that's true, then why not?
>
because it is not nice and we behave like them if we do? :-)
>> eit
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote:
hm... ok, point taken. However: he is not treating us like dirt.
Yes he is; by simply not bothering to do any real research before making
huge sweeping statements...
If he publishes a wiki with some misconceptions, so what?
If it's full of crap, quite a few peopl
Michael,
michael nt milne wrote:
> Is there a reason that the Plone list gets 3 times the level of postings
> that the Zope list gets? Yes. because it is a more mature and
> constructive support environment which actually helps promote the product.
>
Bollocks.
:-)
--
Regards,
PhilK
"Say w
michael nt milne said the following on 11/14/2006 10:59 AM:
> You make some very valid, correct points but then also make a very
> incorrect assumption as well. I don't believe the original poster is a
> troll and neither am I or anyone else who has agreed that this list
> needs to have some more
>For the record: my original response was not aimed at you personally>Chris, it was just that your mail triggered the whole thing. I apologize
>for making you the target (and for feeding some trolls :).
You make some very valid, correct points but then also make a very incorrect assumption as well.
>
> Nevertheless, I think we as a community could show some class and style.
+100
the entertaining value of rude mails wear off quickly..
robert
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--On 14. November 2006 09:35:18 +0100 Dario Lopez-Kästen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If he publishes a wiki with some misconceptions, so what? Will it have
more impact than all the other sites that don't grok zope and therefore
dismisses it? No, probably not.
The wiki is full of mistakes
For the record: my original response was not aimed at you personally
Chris, it was just that your mail triggered the whole thing. I apologize
for making you the target (and for feeding some trolls :).
Chris Withers said the following on 11/13/2006 04:38 PM:
>
> Well, he's treating us like dirt, D
The problem is the original poster (Hafeliel) did not make a credible
effort to learn Zope in his "years of experience" with the tool (as
taking more than two years not to figure out bobobase_modification_time
makes painfully clear) before complaining about it with a public site
full of inaccurate
Great. Thanks. On 11/13/06, Andreas Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--On 13. November 2006 17:16:14 + michael nt milne<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> "You posted again without significant content.>
> And please: don't start a new thread for every reply. Learn to use> your mail application properly.
--On 13. November 2006 17:16:14 + michael nt milne
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"You posted again without significant content.
And please: don't start a new thread for every reply. Learn to use
your mail application properly."
So did you. I thought you had filtered me out anyway? Please
"You posted again without significant content.And please: don't start a new thread for every reply. Learn to useyour mail application properly."So did you. I thought you had filtered me out anyway? Please put the rule back in place...:-)
I'm using Gmail and simply replying to the topic and the Zope
--On 13. November 2006 16:43:01 + michael nt milne
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"You should post only if you have something to say. You did not and you
can't comment on the content of the wiki."
You posted again without significant content.
And please: don't start a new thread for ever
"You should post only if you have something to say. You did not and youcan't comment on the content of the wiki."Of course I had something to say. What nonsense. And sure I had a look at the Wiki as well and am entitled to comment. Just because I don't have the high level of authority that many peo
+---[ michael nt milne ]--
Quite right. It's an ignorant attitude and one that itself deserves the
label that it is prescribing. It's been prevalent for a long time on this
list. The whole attitude here is one of sneering and schoolboy name
calling.
You should pos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominemOn 11/13/06, Chris Withers <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Andrew Milton wrote:> +---[ michael nt milne ]--
> | "yeah, I can see how this kind of attitude draws lots and lots of new> | followers to zope."Oh, he's still alive, how unfortunate
The Wiki doesn't completely slag off Zope. There are sections which talk about how powerful it is etc. This guy seems to be genuinely trying to get his head round Zope and it is a very steep learning curve. Ok, he should be more advanced in the subject than he is due to his experience but why attac
Andrew Milton wrote:
+---[ michael nt milne ]--
| "yeah, I can see how this kind of attitude draws lots and lots of new
| followers to zope."
Oh, he's still alive, how unfortunate...
Thanks, Andrew, for helping him avoid my procmail rule :-(
| whole attitude here is o
+---[ michael nt milne ]--
| "yeah, I can see how this kind of attitude draws lots and lots of new
| followers to zope."
|
| Quite right. It's an ignorant attitude and one that itself deserves the label
| that it is prescribing. It's been prevalent for a long time on this l
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote:
yeah, I can see how this kind of attitude draws lots and lots of new
followers to zope.
This guy doesn't want Zope, he wants something lighter like Django or
Pylons. He might find what he's looking for in Zope 3...
I am sure that treating him like dirt under our s
Peter Bengtsson escribió:
I walk away frustrated and angry.
Not a good thing.
[5] I have a neat idea for a Zope product so I start
coding it up. I find some bits and pieces on the web
and try installing them, only to find that parts of my
product have a name collision with parts of their
pr
Hafeliel wrote:
If you could, please take a moment to surf on over to
http://zopereplacement.wikidot.com/
to understand the design choices made in zope, one could summarize its
evolution as:
- a genuinely great idea that allowed to publish python objects on the
web in a completely tran
"yeah, I can see how this kind of attitude draws lots and lots of newfollowers to zope."
Quite right. It's an ignorant attitude and one that itself deserves the label that it is prescribing. It's been prevalent for a long time on this list. The whole attitude here is one of sneering and schoolboy n
--On 13. November 2006 07:24:20 -0600 Perry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Nov 13, 2006, at 6:49 AM, Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote:
Chris Withers said the following on 11/13/2006 12:11 PM:
Hafeliel wrote:
If you could, please take a moment to surf on over to
http://zopereplacement.wiki
On Nov 13, 2006, at 6:49 AM, Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote:Chris Withers said the following on 11/13/2006 12:11 PM: Hafeliel wrote: If you could, please take a moment to surf on over tohttp://zopereplacement.wikidot.com/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trollhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph
Chris Withers said the following on 11/13/2006 12:11 PM:
> Hafeliel wrote:
>>
>> If you could, please take a moment to surf on over to
>> http://zopereplacement.wikidot.com/
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty
>
> Try doing a
+---[ Chris Withers ]--
| http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty
I'm so glad the word 'numpty' is making a comeback. Not so much a fan of the
modernised 'numptard' variant though.
--
Andrew Milton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
_
I walk away frustrated and angry.
Not a good thing.
[5] I have a neat idea for a Zope product so I start
coding it up. I find some bits and pieces on the web
and try installing them, only to find that parts of my
product have a name collision with parts of their
product.
Products aren't lib
Hafeliel wrote:
If you could, please take a moment to surf on over to
http://zopereplacement.wikidot.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty
Try doing a bit more digging before wasting your time writing this rubbish.
I suggest y
Hafeliel schrieb:
--- Andrew Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You are only 'restricted' when you enter your code
through-the-web. On-Disk python code has no
restrictions whatsoever. This includes both Products
and External Methods.
This is *well* documented.
Thank you for your input.
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On 13 Nov 2006, at 00:54, Perry Smith wrote:
On Nov 12, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Hafeliel wrote:
--- Andrew Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
grumpy = getattr(container, "grumpy.jpg")
The edit view of grumpy.jpg shows me the Last Modified
time
I b
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 05:54:35PM -0600, Perry Smith wrote:
> Also... I don't watch this email with an eagle eye, but why haven't
> you just asked? These guys are terrific at answering questions and
> pointers. Watch:
>
> What module should I look at to help track down where the attributes
On Nov 12, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Hafeliel wrote:--- Andrew Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: grumpy = getattr(container, "grumpy.jpg")The edit view of grumpy.jpg shows me the Last ModifiedtimeI bet you are getting the last modified date from the image. The image has attributes inside of it.Are you sa
+---[ Hafeliel ]--
| --- Andrew Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > You are only 'restricted' when you enter your code
| > through-the-web. On-Disk python code has no
| > restrictions whatsoever. This includes both Products
| > and External Methods.
| >
| > This is *well*
--- Andrew Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You are only 'restricted' when you enter your code
> through-the-web. On-Disk python code has no
> restrictions whatsoever. This includes both Products
> and External Methods.
>
> This is *well* documented.
Thank you for your input. Does anyone else
+---[ Hafeliel ]--
|
| Exactly. The whole point of a tool is to make it easy
| to get from point A to point B. PHP presumes that the
| code is to be trusted and doesn't stand in the way.
| Zope presumes that the code is suspect and is
| desperate to keep me from getting t
+---[ Hafeliel ]--
| --- Andrew Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|
| > I'm having a hard time working out what your problem
| > is.
| >
| > "If anything, the Zope developers have given us too
| > much. In an attempt to protect us from ourselves,
| > they have severly limi
--- Andrew Milton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm having a hard time working out what your problem
> is.
>
> "If anything, the Zope developers have given us too
> much. In an attempt to protect us from ourselves,
> they have severly limited what we can do."
That's my fault. I can see a problem
On Nov 12, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Hafeliel wrote:I realize that this post might cause a bit of anxiety,and so I apologize for that in advance. However,despite all the blood, sweat, and tears that we've allpoured into Zope over the years, Zope has yet to makea signifigant market penetration.If you coul
+---[ Hafeliel ]--
| I realize that this post might cause a bit of anxiety,
| and so I apologize for that in advance. However,
| despite all the blood, sweat, and tears that we've all
| poured into Zope over the years, Zope has yet to make
| a signifigant market penetration
--On 12. November 2006 08:47:25 -0800 Hafeliel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I realize that this post might cause a bit of anxiety,
and so I apologize for that in advance. However,
despite all the blood, sweat, and tears that we've all
poured into Zope over the years, Zope has yet to make
a sign
I realize that this post might cause a bit of anxiety,
and so I apologize for that in advance. However,
despite all the blood, sweat, and tears that we've all
poured into Zope over the years, Zope has yet to make
a signifigant market penetration.
If you could, please take a moment to surf on over
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