Re: [Biofuel] The Future of the Biofuels mailing list, your input needed.
I like the list. I used to be very vocal though now I mostly lurk. On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 5:25 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Good day all; As of this morning, there are 456 subscribers to this list. The recent news of Keith's passing come as sad news to us all and we saw a tiny uptick in traffic over those few days. Since then, we're back to some updates on issues that many of us find interesting by Darryl, and not much else. So, I need to hear from you, as in a *lot* of you if you want to see this list continue. The archives are in place, and as of right now, it's the intention to keep them in place, but I'm uncertain that this list is really serving any further purpose. Keith and I have discussed this very issue many times over the last 5 or so years. I offered to host the list in order to keep it going a few years back. But now that we are no longer blessed with Keith's insights, well, I'm not sure this list is really relevant. So, please respond to this posting with your thoughts. I'll need to hear from a lot of you. --chipper ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] CINVA ram in Colorado, US?
I am embarking on a compressed earth block project. I'm hoping this list has the diversity of readers who may know of a cinva ram for rent or sale in the western half of the US. I can build one though given the nature of the materials, it'd be far better to use an existing one given the input costs especially since I'm starting small (a masonry heater and a chicken house). On a side note, this year I started my WVO diesel conversion. I've got the bulk of the equipment all assembled from raw inputs to the actual fuel stream. I decided on a new tank for WVO and to start/stop on the existing diesel. Without this list I'd likely never had the nerve, let alone the research boost, to do this project! Regards, -dave ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] Algae-powered apartment complex blooms in Hamburg
Pictures can be seen at the link: http://www.mnn.com/your-home/remodeling-design/blogs/algae-powered-apartment-complex-blooms-in-hamburg Today, here’s a look at a freshly completed residential complex in Hamburg, Germany, where even Slimer would feel right at home. And while it may not contain an ounce of ectoplasm, tiny photosynthetic organisms commonly associated with pesky green slimehttp://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/eco-tourism/stories/algae-clogs-newly-renovated-lincoln-memorial-reflecting-pool-in-dc are key to the zero-energy structure’s groundbreaking renewable energy systems. As the world’s first building powered by algae, the 15-unit Bio Intelligent Quotient (BIQ) House generates biomass and heat with the assistance of 129 integrated glass bioreactor panels (read: microalgae harvesters) measuring .78 inches thick and covering approximately 2,150 square feet of the four-story structure's southeast and southwest facing sides. Most conveniently, the algae-cultivating bio-façade provides the building with thermal insulation, shading from direct sunlight, and noise reduction in addition to generating a ready-to-harvest source of biomass. The project’s International Building Exhibition (IBA) profilehttp://www.iba-hamburg.de/en/themes-projects/the-building-exhibition-within-the-building-exhibition/smart-material-houses/biq/projekt/biq.html provides a comprehensive overview: The algae flourish and multiply in a regular cycle until they can be harvested. They are then separated from the rest of the algae and transferred as a thick pulp to the technical room of the BIQ. The little plants are then fermented in an external biogas plant, so that they can be used again to generate biogas. Algae are particularly well suited for this, as they produce up to five times as much biomass per hectare as terrestrial plants and contain many oils that can be used for energy. The BIQ has a holistic energy concept: it draws all of the energy needed to generate electricity and heat from renewable sources — fossil fuels remain untouched. It is able to generate energy using the algae biomass harvested from its own façade. Moreover, the façade collects energy by absorbing the light that is not used by the algae and generating heat, like in a solar thermal unit, which is then either used directly for hot water and heating, or can be cached in the ground using borehole heat exchangers — 80 metre-deep holes filled with brine. This remarkably sustainable energy concept is therefore capable of creating a cycle of solar thermal energy, geothermal energy, a condensing boiler, local heat, and the capture of biomass using the bio-reactor façade. Three years in the making, the $3.4 million euro pilot project — it was designed and built for the IBA by the joint team of Austria-based sustainable architecture firm Spitterwerks Architects, Colt International, Strategic Science Consult, and global engineering firm ARUP — will be used to test the feasibility of algae-cultivation as a source of renewable energy for citybound buildings in the future. Elaborates Jan Arup, a research leader for ARUP, in a news release issued by the company: Using bio-chemical processes in the façade of a building to create shade and energy is a really innovative concept. It might well become a sustainable solutionhttp://www.arup.com/Home/News/2013_03_March/22_March_Hamburg_debut_for_first_bio_reactive_facade.aspx for energy production in urban areas, so it is great to see it being tested in a real-life scenario. Very cool. However, Co.Existhttp://www.fastcoexist.com/mba/1681728/this-entire-building-is-powered-by-its-algae-filled-walls#1 brings up a good point: Despite the strategic orientation of the bioreactor panels, Hamburg isn’t exactly known as the most sunshiny of localeshttp://www.weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-hours-Sunshine,Hamburg,Germany and, obviously, algae reproduces when presented with abundant bright sunshine. The panels will be supplied with liquid nutrients and compressed CO2 via a separate water circuit for optimum growing conditions but without the key ingredient of photosynthesis, sunshine, BIQ's green shell may struggle in the algae-production department during the winter months. During the summer, however, when the sun is out in full-force, BIQ will no doubt go into full “bloom” mode. As Curbedhttp://curbed.com/archives/2013/04/10/these-net-zero-apartments-will-be-powered-by-live-algae.php#more notes, the panels, acting as “massive, algae-driving transition lenses,” will grow noticeably darker when filled with elevated levels of algae. In turn, the interior of the building will be kept nice and cool. So much for window AC units when you have bacteria-sized organisms multiplying on the side of your building to help you beat the summertime heat, eh? As for the balcony-blessed apartment units which each clock in beween 538 and 1,291 square feet: Two of the total of fifteen apartments to be housed in the BIQ do not have
Re: [Biofuel] Testing the new list
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Chip Mefford c...@well.com wrote: Okay list; We're almost there. Keith is having issues posting to the list. Keith who? lol. I'd actually appreciate a few echos from you all. My logs show all the email except a small handfull being delivered promptly. I will report that just after I got the notice I tried to respond and it bounced. The reply I sent to your first obviously went through. ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] This is just a test, please ignore and delete.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Chip Mefford c...@daviswv.net wrote: Sorry for the inconvenience. I feel so inconvenienced. I presume this is the new list? -dave hojo ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
Re: [Biofuel] How Freedom Became Tyranny
Keith, On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Our house didn't have a cable because it had been empty for so long and nobody was ever going to live there again (it was haunted). The great white ghost? (http://journeytoforever.org/media/k/k-weeds2.jpg) ... What we did have though was the village-wide public address system, an impressive set-up, high-fidelity sound, impossible to avoid. Each day at appointed times it played six different jingles, starting at 5.30 am, last one at 9 pm. Awful jingles, I can still hear them now (wince). Sounds like the Japanese version of a minaret. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120103/7edd12d4/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] How Freedom Became Tyranny
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/12/19/how-freedom-became-tyranny/ Rightwing libertarians have turned “freedom” into an excuse for greed and exploitation. By George Monbiot, published in the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/19/bastardised-libertarianism-makes-freedom-oppression20th December 2011 Freedom: who could object? Yet this word is now used to justify a thousand forms of exploitation. Throughout the rightwing press and blogosphere, among thinktanks and governments, the word excuses every assault on the lives of the poor, every form of inequality and intrusion to which the 1% subject us. How did libertarianism, once a noble impulse, become synonymous with injustice? In the name of freedom – freedom from regulation – the banks were permitted to wreck the economy. In the name of freedom, taxes for the super-rich are cut. In the name of freedom, companies lobby to drop the minimum wage and raise working hours. In the same cause, US insurers lobby Congress to thwart effective public healthcare; the government rips up our planning laws(1); big business trashes the biosphere. This is the freedom of the powerful to exploit the weak, the rich to exploit the poor. Right-wing libertarianism recognises few legitimate constraints on the power to act, regardless of the impact on the lives of others. In the UK it is forcefully promoted by groups like the TaxPayers’ Alliance, the Adam Smith Institute, the Institute of Economic Affairs and Policy Exchange(2). Their conception of freedom looks to me like nothing but a justification for greed. So why have been been so slow to challenge this concept of liberty? I believe that one of the reasons is as follows. The great political conflict of our age – between neocons and the millionaires and corporations they support on one side and social justice campaigners and environmentalists on the other – has been mischaracterised as a clash between negative and positive freedoms. These freedoms were most clearly defined by Isaiah Berlin in his essay of 1958, Two Concepts of Liberty(3). It is a work of beauty: reading it is like listening to a gloriously crafted piece of music. I will try not to mangle it too badly. Put briefly and crudely, negative freedom is the freedom to be or to act without interference from other people. Positive freedom is freedom from inhibition: it’s the power gained by transcending social or psychological constraints. Berlin explained how positive freedom had been abused by tyrannies, particularly by the Soviet Union. It portrayed its brutal governance as the empowerment of the people, who could achieve a higher freedom by subordinating themselves to a collective single will. Rightwing libertarians claim that greens and social justice campaigners are closet communists trying to resurrect Soviet conceptions of positive freedom. In reality the battle mostly consists of a clash between negative freedoms. As Berlin noted, “no man’s activity is so completely private as never to obstruct the lives of others in any way. ‘Freedom for the pike is death for the minnows’”. So, he argued, some people’s freedom must sometimes be curtailed “to secure the freedom of others.” In other words, your freedom to swung your fist ends where my nose begins. The negative freedom not to have our noses punched is the freedom that green and social justice campaigns, exemplified by the Occupy movement, exist to defend. Berlin also shows that freedom can intrude upon other values, such as justice, equality or human happiness. “If the liberty of myself or my class or nation depends on the misery of a number of other human beings, the system which promotes this is unjust and immoral.” It follows that the state should impose legal restraints upon freedoms which interfere with other people’s freedoms – or on freedoms which conflict with justice and humanity. These conflicts of negative freedom were summarised in one of the greatest poems of the 19th Century, which could be seen as the founding document of British environmentalism. In The Fallen Elm, John Clare describes the felling of the tree he loved, presumably by his landlord, that grew beside his home(4). “Self-interest saw thee stand in freedom’s ways/So thy old shadow must a tyrant be./Thou’st heard the knave, abusing those in power,/Bawl freedom loud and then oppress the free.” The landlord was exercising his freedom to cut the tree down. In doing so, he was intruding upon Clare’s freedom to delight in the tree, whose existence enhanced his life. The landlord justifies this destruction by characterising the tree as an impediment to freedom: his freedom, which he conflates with the general liberty of humankind. Without the involvement of the state (which today might take the form of a tree preservation order) the powerful man could trample the pleasures of the powerless man. Clare then compares the felling of the tree with further intrusions on his liberty. “Such was thy ruin, music-making
[Biofuel] NZ food bill to make growing food a government privilege rather than a human right
Sad times: http://www.naturalnews.com/034337_New_Zealand_food_freedom_human_rights.html (NaturalNews) The God-given human right to freely cultivate food is under attack in New Zealand (NZ) as special interest groups and others are currently attempting to push a food security bill through the nation's parliament that will strip individuals of their right to grow food, save seeds, and even share the fruits of their labor with friends and family members. In accordance with the World Trade Organization's (WTO) Codex Alimentarius scheme for global food control, the NZ Food Bill, if passed, will essentially transfer primary control of food from individuals to corporations under the guise of food safety. And unless massive public outcry and awakened consciences within the NZ government are able to put a stop to it, the bill could become law very soon. According to*NZ Food Security*, a group working to protect the food freedom of New Zealanders, the bill will turn growing and sharing food into a government-granted privilege rather than a human right. It will also make it illegal to distribute any type of food based on the bill's language. This includes seeds, nutrients, natural medicines, minerals, and even water -- without expressed government permission. You see, agribusiness giants like Monsanto want full control of the food supply, which means putting an end to small-scale agriculture systems that operate off the grid, so to speak. This is why they have worked so hard in places like the US to convert conventional, staple crop systems to genetically-modified (GM) ones that are continually reliant upon new seeds and chemical interventions. As far as enforcement, the NZ bill also authorizes private companies to deploy Food Safety Officers that can raid private property without warrant. Not only will these Food Safety Officers be permitted to draw weapons against those they are pursuing, but they will also be immune from criminal and civil prosecution for their illegal actions. You can read a full summary of what the NZ Food Bill entails here: http://nzfoodsecurity.org/2011/07/1...http://nzfoodsecurity.org/2011/07/19/food-a-controlled-substance-not-in-my-back-yard/ What all this means, of course, is that the NZ government may soon be able to arbitrarily decide at any time to restrict individual freedom to plant vegetable gardens and share the produce with their neighbors, for instance. Even cottage industries, which include at-home food artisans, could be restricted under the new law. To learn more and to help defeat the NZ Food Bill, visit: http://nzfoodsecurity.org/ Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034337_New_Zealand_food_freedom_human_rights.html#ixzz1fxkSSN9O -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20111208/c5895f69/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cheap Meat, MRSA and Deadly Greed
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06/17-5 Published on Friday, June 17, 2011 by the Independent/UK Cheap Meat, MRSA and Deadly Greed If they aren't stopped soon, the WHO warns we are facing a 'doomsday scenario of a world without antibiotics' by Johann Hari snip As the scientists I've interviewed explain it, antibiotics do something simple. They kill, slow down or stall the growth of bacteria. They were one of the great advances of the 20th century, and they have saved millions of us. But they inherently contain a problem - one that was known about from very early on. They start an arms race. Use an antibiotic against bacteria, and it kills most of it - but it can also prompt the bacteria to evolve a tougher, stronger, meaner strain that can fight back. The bacteria is constantly mutating and dividing. The stronger the antibiotic, the stronger some bacteria will become to survive. It's Darwin dancing at super-speed. If one goes to the feed stores here (Colorado, USA) and buys chick starter feed it comes pre-loaded with antibiotics regardless if the chickens need them or not. The over use of such medicine is, as I'm sure everyone on this list agrees, a nasty issue. Though, I do take issue with how they describe the way bacteria evolves. I find this a misuse (or rather overuse) of the term evolution. A closer term would be selective breeding where the bacteria that are naturally stronger or resistant stay alive and their resistance is selectively propagated. I'm splitting hairs, I know, and I think stating that we prompt the bacteria to evolve is a gross misrepresentation of the underlying mechanisms. Kind of like saying that every time you sand a piece of wood you're really decomposing the surface. I think it's important to point these things out as the more accurate we are the more defensible our arguments become. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110620/f2323ee3/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Monsanto Facing GMO Lawsuit
http://rareseeds.com/blog/bakersville/monsanto-facing-gmo-lawsuit/ Posted on April 11, 2011 Monsanto Facing GMO Lawsuit ... Woo Hoo! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Planet Strikes Back
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:08 AM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back at the rich end there's a tiny minority with truly monstrous eco-footprints, but, persons or not, they're not human at all. To digress on your point, Keith, In all honesty, I don't think that they want to be human. I truly think they despise the idea of living with the dirt and insects and seek transmutation to something far more encapsulated from the natural elements. The backing bioengineering and aspirations to improve life, which, subsequently damages life directly and indirectly, indicates to me that to be human for them is to be inferior. I blame Isaac Asimov ;) -hojo ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Shale Gas as Dirty as Oil, Coal for Warming
Published on Tuesday, April 12, 2011 by Mail Guardian Shale Gas as Dirty as Oil, Coal for Warming Shale gas holes up in a dense sedimentary rock which is fractured by large volumes of water and chemicals that are piped in horizontally under high pressure. After the fracturing, large amounts of water returns to the surface within a few days, along with significant amounts of methane, that comprises the bulk of the shale gas. To add, the water and chemicals used in fracture drilling also pollutes the ground waters supplies. I am to understand that this type of drilling is exempt from water protection regulations, which exacerbates both the overall problem and potential efforts to combat it's use. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hypothetical Waste Management
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Dawie Coetzee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of those things might have uses in pigments or glazes in ceramics, where they get locked into a substrate or otherwise chemically modified in the firing process. Perfectly safe pottery contains stuff that is downright scary to some ears. One of my ideas was to frit it as you describe. Then it could be used as sand for mortar with no leaching potential. Of course, fritting takes a great deal of energy. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hypothetical Waste Management
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess it would help to know how much arsenic this is, where it would be located and how pure. Plastic barrels should be able to store it for a long time in relative safely. After enough has been collected it might be worth selling if it is pure enough. If not, then transport to a recycler that will take it. A few quick searches show that there pretty much is no disposal methods besides containment or use in products. That is the present way to handle it. I'm looking for ideas that don't involve the store and forget method. Keep em coming! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hypothetical Waste Management
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Dan Beukelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you are looking for a useful, non-harmful use for arsenic? Not necessarily useful or even a use. I'm pondering the aspects of waste management. A great deal of waste from one process can be used in the input of other, useful processes. Heavy metal waste does not readily become an input for another process. So what do we do with it? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hypothetical Waste Management
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arsenic (in very pure forms) is used in many things from batteries to microchips. Maybe contact a metals recycler or such? Where does production arsenic come from now? As far as I know, it's mined. Recycling would likely be the best industrial option if available. What if recycling isn't available or prohibitive (you live too far from any reasonable recycling service). ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hypothetical Waste Management
To the list, I was pondering some facets of well water contaminants. For the purposes of this discussion, I want to limit the factors that make up the scenario. First, lets presume that there is nothing malicious inherent in the problem, nor are there human factors that can be mitigated. Second, we will presume that the treatment options have been vetted and are selected for their optimum potential. Third, Chip, you're responses are limited to under 10,000 words ;) The scenario is this: There are naturally occurring chemicals in some well water that can be harmful to humans. Lets say we are using one of these wells and we know, as stated above, that the contaminants are simply a cause of the water coming into contact with high concentrations of lead or zinc, etc. We have a few possible alternatives to treat the water like a solar still or through the use of home made charcoal. In all cases, we will be left with the pollutants in a more concentrated form. In an ideal situation, we would be able to use these byproducts in a useful way, and that would, of course, depend on what we have left over. What do we do with this stuff in a non-ideal situation? Lets presume, for the sake of this discussion, that our water supply is located in a hard rock region and we have small amounts of arsenic but enough to warrant concern. If we filter with carbon, we have arsenic in the carbon, if we distill we're left with arsenic in the bottom of the still. I'm sure the list can come up with grander and better ways to clean the water, but if we're still left with the arsenic then we need not discuss the processing (remember, it's presumed to be optimal). So, what do we do with this arsenic aside from simply not using the water (which may be the only choice)? This quandary was prompted by some pollution cleanup efforts for old mines. They plant reeds that consume the mercury from water discharge but then... what happens to the reeds? Remember though, we are not discussing mine waste, this is a naturally source of arsenic. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hypothetical Waste Management
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Mark Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, Thanks for the reply. See below. this is actually pretty interesting but there is a way to recycle the Arsenic you use. 1) Use it as rat poison, 2) Use it as a Weed killer,. 3) Use it to Preserve Wood In the first two cases ( and directly mentioned in the second) the arsenic has the potential for reentering the ground water. In that case it should be no different than simply storing it in a container as the next batch of water would contain a little more arsenic. In case #1 it could end up in your food supply as some heavy metals (like lead) are consumed by green leafy plants. Urban farmers usually check for lead paint in the soil. In the last case the wood would be preserved though we all know that the arsenic in wood does eventually leach out. I would pick the last as the best case, especially if you could shelter the wood from rain, though still not ideal. Good feedback, though does it really manage the waste or does it simply spread dilute it back into the environment? I have a novel idea but I want to hear some others first! I hope that has answered your question Dave. Sincerely, Mark Shaw Esperance, Western Australia, Australia -Original Message- From: Dave Hajoglou Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 10:08 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Hypothetical Waste Management To the list, I was pondering some facets of well water contaminants. For the purposes of this discussion, I want to limit the factors that make up the scenario. First, lets presume that there is nothing malicious inherent in the problem, nor are there human factors that can be mitigated. Second, we will presume that the treatment options have been vetted and are selected for their optimum potential. Third, Chip, you're responses are limited to under 10,000 words ;) The scenario is this: There are naturally occurring chemicals in some well water that can be harmful to humans. Lets say we are using one of these wells and we know, as stated above, that the contaminants are simply a cause of the water coming into contact with high concentrations of lead or zinc, etc. We have a few possible alternatives to treat the water like a solar still or through the use of home made charcoal. In all cases, we will be left with the pollutants in a more concentrated form. In an ideal situation, we would be able to use these byproducts in a useful way, and that would, of course, depend on what we have left over. What do we do with this stuff in a non-ideal situation? Lets presume, for the sake of this discussion, that our water supply is located in a hard rock region and we have small amounts of arsenic but enough to warrant concern. If we filter with carbon, we have arsenic in the carbon, if we distill we're left with arsenic in the bottom of the still. I'm sure the list can come up with grander and better ways to clean the water, but if we're still left with the arsenic then we need not discuss the processing (remember, it's presumed to be optimal). So, what do we do with this arsenic aside from simply not using the water (which may be the only choice)? This quandary was prompted by some pollution cleanup efforts for old mines. They plant reeds that consume the mercury from water discharge but then... what happens to the reeds? Remember though, we are not discussing mine waste, this is a naturally source of arsenic. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Flex Fuel Ford Ranger and methanol
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apart from this is methanol an excellent fuel, especially if there was methanol from biological sources available. You could always skip the methyl alcohol and just use biogas. About as biological as it gets with far less toxicity issues. Of course, handling methane gas (I can just hear the Brits saying meee-thane) presents it's own issues. Best regards to you all ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power (George Monbiot)
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:01 PM, robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Does it follow that a reduction in energy use and reliance on renewables would necessarily result in massive declines in both industrial output and citizen comfort? Articles like these tend to suggest changes in an all-or-none-right-now!! frame of reference. If we decided to switch whole sale to only renewable energy right now then yes, we would not be able to maintain our lifestyles. A sensible approach would suggest that changes will be slow and our complex systems will adapt. It's tantamount to cave men saying that switching from wood to oil in a month, without the necessary infrastructure, is impossible and therefore we cannot sustain our life style in a non-wood energy economy. ... I don't hear a lot of willingness to re-organize our cities, invest in public transit and move away from factory farms. Our current economic model enjoys an almost mystical reverence, and none of its underlying assumptions can be challenged without accusations of socialism (or worse) being flung about. But even IF we could come up with a new form of economic policy, where is the dense energy for manufacturing going to come from? It's clear that we'll need to keep on building things, so HOW can that happen? Sadly, a reasonable debate on such subjects of making life better will always be tainted by powerful interests who may lose what is essentially market share. If you attack nuclear as dirty/costly/deadly the industry will attack back. If you attack resource monopolies they attack back and they swing the propaganda hammer with a potentially larger budget than we do. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power (George Monbiot)
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snipped for clarity, Just responding to the points with which I have issue: Yes, the 'all or none by tomorrow' is a false dichotomy. It's stating that since it cannot happen by tomorrow, then it should be dismissed right now. I don't think this is deliberate, or even slopping logic, I think it's intentional, and meant to argue a point without making a competent rebuttal. Further, Again, as I stated earlier, assuming the entire world wakes up tomorrow and decides, Okay, Nukes are a bad idea, let's get rid of them first and foremost, someone needs to come up with a way to do that. This has not been done. Key Point, there isn't any way to get rid of the damned machines. So, even given that folks start working on ways to safely deactivate these plants tomorrow, (and they aren't going to) it will likely take decades before any real momentum builds. True. I see that argument being used, though, to justify keeping old ones online then using complacency to argue that new ones must be better if the old ones are troublesome. It's a nasty cycle with no merit. Of course, there are people who believe that by eating a bit of flesh and drinking a bit of blood from a guy 2000 years dead is a good idea. It's easy to see how people can be swayed by incompetence. And Rockefeller/Standard oil did a very nice job of getting 'cave men' to switch from wood to oil in very short order. You missed my point entirely though it wasn't necessarily the best example. As to maintaining our lifestyle: Any change effects everything. I'm not suggesting our lifestyle is good or bad. I was hinting that any change, for better or worse, will effect us in some way. You know, the whole Rome wasn't built in a day thing (though, it did burn rather quickly). Sorry, I don't see lighting up parking lots as a lifestyle that deserves the resultant destruction and depletion of resources. We can do so much better than this. I agree. I love it that my place of employment has enough natural light that we can leave the lights off during the day! Even 10 years ago motion sensors on bathroom lights were an oddity and now we barely notice them. Change is slow and we cannot ignore strides made just because the other side slings mud. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to get a permit to distill fuel grade ethanol in the United States it must be denatured. The recommended method is to add 2 gallons of unleaded gasoline to 98 gallons of ethanol. The problem for the home brewer is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added. A solution to water in the tank is to add dry gas (methanol). My questions are: -Would it be unwise to denature fuel grade ethanol with methanol and then used in a Flex Fuel vehicle such as a '99 Ford Ranger? (3.0L Flex Fuel version). The water issue would be eliminated. -Any problems running a Flex Fuel vehicle on blends of ethanol, gasoline, and methanol? I'd skip the recommended method and go with a drop of gas to your 100 gal of ethanol. So long as you don't drink it, serve it to your friends, or boast that you can produce some fine moonshine you should be ok. (should). I have no ideas about the methanol mix. -hojo ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, I had to come back to this email to ask you a few questions about your post. 1. Where did you get any of this information from? 2. What are you talking about, The problem for the home brewer is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added. Where did you get this info? Have you tried this and saw it happen? I (Dave) suggested denaturing with a drop of gasoline. Joe cited that if you're going to run something around the range of E85 that denaturing would be a foregone conclusion. I (Dave) do not know much of what happens with respect to water/gasoline/ethanol when mixed in terms of water dropping out. I do know that when I consume ethanol I tend to produce a fair bit of water... but that is off topic. As far as the home brewer is concerned, the only issues I can think of when dealing with ethanol is that a still, even under vacuum, will produce a maximum azeotrope of ethanol/water around 96%/4% respectively. I know that industrial fuel distilleries use a process with silica gel to remove the remaining water. As far as I can guess, if someone is distilling ethanol that it's really easy to get a higher percent of water and that would cause problems down the line at some point. Getting the highest concentration of ethanol in a still requires quite a bit of attention along with good equipment. There is a reason that industrial fuel distilleries use very tall column stills. Not your average back woods moonshine setup. I have mixed hundreds of gallons of ethanol (150 - 190 proof) with various ratios to gasoline. I have let several set in a test tube jar so that marked levels can be watched. The only thing that I can say that we saw was the gasoline evaporating. Methanol - there is a reason that this is not used for the general public. Its not friendly on your hands, your fuel system, but mostly, the air/fuel is way off. Word. Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Company ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power (George Monbiot)
So, was that George guy serious? I mean, calling a disaster all tidied up with negligible impact while citing a chart from a comic writer (albeit a very scientifically inclined author) as evidence that this whole thing really sheds a good light on nuclear boarders on unethical. We here in the US have a good appetite for unethical journalism, mind, but did I miss something? Was he serious? -hoj ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How is Keith Doing?
If you leave Cape town, then 2 weeks later there's an earthquake, we may have to quarantine you to one place. Glad to hear you and Midori are all right. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But actually, as Fritz said, I'm not there any longer, I've been in Cape Town for the last two weeks. Not a matter of wisdom though, it just happened that way. (Thanks anyway, Fritz!) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] How is Keith Doing?
Keith, I see that you're about 750km by road to Fukushima and closer by the crow. I send my wishes that you and others get through everything as safely as possible. -dave hojo ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dinky car revolution: Why more drivers are swapping their gas guzzlers for cute compacts
One of the best little British cars ever made. 10 years in storage might require more to get it back to sound condition again. Was it under restoration prior to storage or still rough. What is E96? I just got my 58 MGA out of similar storage and it is in need of quite a lot. Best of luck with the Morris. Dave Roberts - Original Message - From: Dawie Coetzee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/04/2009 06:37 AM GMT To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dinky car revolution: Why more drivers are swapping their gas guzzlers for cute compacts Keith No unleaded conversion yet: leaded was still available the last time the car was driven. I'd like to rebuild it for E96, though. -D From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tue, 3 November, 2009 20:59:56 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dinky car revolution: Why more drivers are swapping their gas guzzlers for cute compacts Hi Dawie Yes, I do. It's a 1958 1000 four-door, and I've just got it out of ten years' storage. It's awaiting some work in my newly-constructed garage/workshop/store, so it is not yet in regular use. -D Lucky you, that's a classic. Snazzy new garage too. Does the car run on unleaded fuel? Best Keith From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Fri, 30 October, 2009 20:36:13 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dinky car revolution: Why more drivers are swapping their gas guzzlers for cute compacts Scrappage programme. Dear oh dear. If they ever institute a restoration programme I might be convinced. I wouldn't mind an extra R22K to throw at my Morris Minor ... -D :-) Do you really have a Morris Minor, Dawie? From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Fri, 30 October, 2009 4:30:41 Subject: [Biofuel] Dinky car revolution: Why more drivers are swapping their gas guzzlers for cute compacts http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/features/dinky-car-revolution-why-more-drivers-are-swapping-their-gas-guzzlers-for-cute-compacts-1811069.html Dinky car revolution: Why more drivers are swapping their gas guzzlers for cute compacts By Sean O'Grady Thursday, 29 October 2009 There's a terrible secret that the car-makers don't really want you snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20091104/39dcb7cc/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New el cheapo VW commuter car
Very interesting. Please send me a pic. Thanks in advance. Dave David Roberts / Sales Associate WL Gore/ Jersey Shore 610-287-0223/ph 610-506-0223/cell 610-287-1887/fax bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/11/2009 09:03 PM Please respond to sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org To biofuel@sustainablelists.org cc Subject [Biofuel] New el cheapo VW commuter car Has anyone heard of the new single seat VW? This is not a toy, not a concept car. It is a fully developed, single-seat car in a highly aerodynamic tear-shaped, road-proven and very practical commuter vehicle format. The new Veedub will go on sale in Shanghai in 2010. Designed to cruise at 100-120 Km/Hr it has an incredible consumption of 0.99litre/100Km (258 miles/gallon), thus in terms of fuel bettering the electric car. The vehicle took three years from conception to production. The company is headquartered in Hamburg, Germany. The car will sell for 4000 yuan, equivalent to US$600. Gas tank capacity 1.7 gallons;Speed 62-74.6 Miles/hour; Fuel efficiency 258 miles/gallon; travel distance with a full tank 404 miles. I have pics which show a very impressive, aerodynamically efficient vehicle, not at all cheap in appearance. Sadly can't post them here due to the site's formatting restrictions but will supply to anyone who emails me directly. Regards, Bob. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090512/bc3fb5b7/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20090512/4f9b8c1a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra
Robert, Thank you for your very logical, succinct, insightful, and thoughtful assertions. Very refreshing. Dave Buck - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercury was Imaginal Cells by Deepak Chopra Joe Street wrote: Fillings do not contain depleted uranium and DU when it vaporizes on impact and oxidizes into uranium trioxide is found to be a nano powder which is something like 100,000 to 1 meeelion times more toxic than DU is in a macro scale. Gulf war syndrom has nothing to do with mercury in fillings or vaccines. I understand that, but I don't think you're grasping my point. There is a VERY large percentage of the overall population walking around with dental amalgams, and a cohort of professionals that have been working with this material for decades. Yet there is no study that supports negative health impacts within that population that can be directly linked to mercury in dental fillings. But didn't I read years ago that there is a very high suicide rate among dentists? Can that impact be isolated to mercury exposure? And you are asking why we don't see wide spread health effects? But these people are saying that many wide spread problems ARE thought to be linked to mecury. The cause / effect linkage breaks down when examined across the population. Now, I TRY to be open minded about this . . . We once took our youngest son to an naturopath (who came highly recommended) because he'd developed a skin rash. The naturopath hooked him up to a machine that measured electrical resistance in his skin and diagnosed my son with mercury poisoning. I asked: Where did he get exposed to mercury? Eating shellfish, the doctor responded. But we don't EVER eat shellfish, and the only other fish we eat is salmon that we catch ourselves in the Fraser River. Well, then it's amalgam fillings. He doesn't HAVE any fillings, I protested. Does your wife? he asked. Yes, I replied. Then he was exposed in utero. Mind you, the boy was six years old when this rash appeared. Heavy metals are excreted in sweat, and like every other normal boy, my son plays hard enough to often work himself into a lather. So, I was supposed to believe that this skin rash he developed came from in utero exposure to mercury from my sweetheart's amalgam fillings, even though SIX YEARS had passed since his birth, and he'd sweat regularly enough to warrant at least one bath per day. My wife doesn't suffer from skin rashes and neither do I, yet both of us have had amalgam fillings in our teeth for many years. So my point in this, is that just because someone believes in a cause / effect relationship doesn't mean it actually exists. People used to burn or drown women as witches on unsubstantiated claims. When I hear complaints about mercury in dental fillings, these are normally accompanied by testimonials put forth as evidence for the veracity of the claim. But why are those testimonials more valid than my own experience? And why can't people who believe in this kind of thing answer the basic question of: Why do we not see widespread, consistent impacts across a population that has been exposed to mercury in dental amalgams for decades? Yes, we should be use the precautionary principle. Yes, we should try to limit our exposure to things we know are dangerous. But let's be careful about drawing unsubstantiated conclusions, too. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pellet fuel options
How about corn? About 2.75 for a bushel. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:36 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Pellet fuel options Hello. Does anyone else use a pellet stove? Prices have jumped this year from $2.25~2.75 to $4.75+ That fairly dries up the reason to have/use the stove (cheaper cleaner fuel then oil/propane/classic wood) I am looking for other fuel options. I would love to produce my own pellets as I have access to tons of waste wood but it needs at least a season to be ready. I also have not been able to find a pellet machine that was not a million dollar investment. I have been thinking of using straw and hay as we have plenty of it here. Also there is a small personal mill in town that makes a fair bit of sawdust. Does anyone know of a pellet press or know of a way to make one? Jeromie ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Flexfuel converter at abcesso.com
Is there anyone on this list that knows anything about the flex converter at the web site http://www.abcesso.com/ Is there anyone on this list that is currently using this converter? I have been wanting to switch to E85 but I have not been able to find information about how I could do this with my 95 Plymouth Voyager as the computer controls the settings on the vehicle such as pulse width and timing which (I am told) cannot be changed on my vehicle. I was originally hoping to have a vehicle that I could use E85 in and fill up on gas if need be (with out having to buy a factory flex compliant vehicle. Is there any other way this can be done? in reading the abcesso web site this converter does not automatically detect the ethanol to gas mixture and adjust the timing, pulse width and the like automatically. There is a switch on the unit that you engage when you have less than a 40% gas mixture in your tank. Any information that anyone can provide would be much appreciated. Thanks, Dave Roderick ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Buying SVO
Let's say I wanted to start brewing my own B100 to save some money. Is it possible to buy SVO at less than $2.50/gallon? And if so, where would one get such (in Houston?) and how much would one have to buy? a 55gal drum? or two? Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
John, Thank you for the information and link...what a super resource. Best to all. DB - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming David M. Brockes wrote: I keep getting people asking about the Energy required to produce Bio-Diesel, (or biofuel, Ethanol or Bio-Diesel); mainly thinking that it takes more energy to produce them than what you get in return or what it takes to make it. I know that with Ethanol the numbers indicate about 1.7-1 (or close to 2-1), but not sure what they are for Bio-Diesel. Can anyone help provide details or specific links to facts that will help set us all straight?? Thank youDave B. 3.2 units out for every unit in. http://www.nrel.gov/docs/legosti/fy98/24089.pdf (page 7) Google is your friend. Took me a whole 20 seconds to find that. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] biofuel and Dodge
I would like to get some input from some of you Dodge Cummins owners about how your trucks are running on biodiesel.What % biodiesel are you running and how long have you been running biodiesel? Any problems? What effect if any on fuel mileage. I own a 2001 Dodge with a H.O. 24 valve Cummins and I would like to run 100% biodiesel That has beenwashed and dried . I would appreciate any input. thanks, Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel and Cummins
I am new to the list and just getting started making biodiesel. I own a 2001 Dodge truck with the 24 valve Cummins H.O.diesel engine. Has anyone been running biodiesel in a Cummins for any length of time? Is it ok to run 100% biodiesel in the warmer months of the year. Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sugar Beat Yield for Ethanol Production
How old isyour information regarding Sugar Beet yields? I think it could be substantially higher but still fooling around with it. Yield will have to be much higher to make it profitable for the producer.Any information related to Sugar Beets that anyone might have or have knowledge of would be very much appreciated, points of contact, studiesand etc. Thank you all. golferdad - Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Sugar Beat Yield for Ethanol Production "The average auto uses 800 gallons of fuel per year and a single acre of sugar beats for example would yield about 1200 gallons of alcohol." http://www.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/makingethanol.htm Can anyone substantiate this? I have a couple of other questions too. If this is a good crop for ethanol, do I have to take care of what's taken out of the soil? Will I need to rotate if I do this every year? In general, am I missing anything? If this is true, I think I know what my summer project is going to be. :-) Mike ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps
feet per year? Any thoughts? Thanks for any time allocated. Dave - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps Kim, What do you have in mind, the common everyday windmill or something else? In the event it's the standard windmill I'm surprised you didn't find anything on them. I would think a trip to http://www.yoderswindmillservice.com/ should start answering all of your questions. Then try these as well http://www.windmills.net/ http://www.aermotorwindmills.com/ , this google http://www.google.com/search?q=water+pumping+windmillshl=enlr=safe=offrls=GGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:enstart=0sa=N or http://tinyurl.com/4bum4 should net you 45K hits or so. Enjoy. Doug - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: [Biofuel] wind powered water pumps : Greetings, : I have been through all my reference books, etc. and I can not find any : information on wind powered water pumps. Does any one have the directions : for building one? What are they capable of and other such information will : be appreciated. : Bright Blessings, : Kim : : ___ : Biofuel mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel : : Biofuel at Journey to Forever: : http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html : : Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): : http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ : ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] An invitation to the Biofuels Community Conference Car Show, May 21-22, Santa Cruz, CA
Hello, You are invited to participate in the Biofuels Community Conference Car Show, held in Santa Cruz, CA on May 21-22, 2005. Our invitation is online at http://www.biofuel.coop/downloads/invitation.pdf and I've pasted the text below as well. More to come! Please distribute this. We are gearing up our publicity and outreach campaign, and will be posting our posters, press release, conference agenda, etc. on www.biofuel.coop shortly. Yours truly, Dave Shaw Biodiesel Council of California (www.biodieselcouncil.org) Santa Cruz Cooperatives (www.santacruz.coop) Biofuel Coop (www.biofuel.coop) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BIOFUELS COMMUNITY CONFERENCE CAR SHOW THE TIME: May 21st, 8:00 a.m. to May 22nd, 3:30 p.m. THE PLACE: University of California, Santa Cruz THE THEME: The Future of Biofuels THE PURPOSE: Showcase successes in the grassroots biofuels community and active biofuels cooperatives Provide a place for creativity and networking Educate about sustainable biofuels Documentation of the biofuels movement Consider the urgency and issues facing biofuel businesses, workers, and consumers SOME OUTCOMES: Specific actions for addressing the needs which the participants believe are vital A stronger network of people for getting things done THE HOSTS: Homes On Wheels, Education for Sustainable Living Program, Santa Cruz biofuels collective, www.biofuel.coop THE APPROACH: The event relies upon the active participation of attendees for education and action planning. On Saturday and Sunday, we will use a method that enables groups of all sizes to effectively deal with complex issues in short time periods. Expect to work hard and have fun. And expect the unexpected. We hope to cultivate a festival-like atmosphere with music, circus arts, a biofuels car show, and wholesome food surrounding the conference. LOGISTICS: Event registration is a suggested donation of $40 per day. No one will be turned away for a lack of funds. Food will be available for sale from Kresge Community Natural Foods cooperative, and by donation from Homes on Wheels cooperative. We are coordinating ridesharing to and from the event. Guest housing options may be available. Please RSVP soon to partake in these community services. Homes On Wheels wishes to make this event accessible to people with disabilities. If you need accommodation, please call SOAR at 459-2934. TO REGISTER: Contact Conference Coordinators at [EMAIL PROTECTED], (831) 454-0343. FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: http://www.biofuel.coop Biofuels Conference 13 Leonardo Lane Santa Cruz, CA 95064 Alissa White, (831) 454-0343, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Shaw, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SEE YOU THERE! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Minnesota Seeks 20 Percent Biofuels Requirement
URL: http://www.newrules.org/de/archives/36.html January 28, 2005 Minnesota Seeks 20 Percent Biofuels Requirement The state of Minnesota is considering adopting a stricter mandate for biofuels content in the state's gasoline supplies. A handful of bills have been introduced at the legislature to implement a 20 percent goal. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel on State Legislative Agendas
Biodiesel on State Legislative Agendas As many as 27 state legislatures will consider biodiesel initiatives this year, predicts National Biodiesel Board analyst Scott Hughes in a story on Illinois Ag Connection. In 2004, 27 biodiesel-related laws were passed from 130 biodiesel proposals introduced. In 2005, 45 pieces of legislation have already been introduced in a total of 18 states. The state initiatives join federal efforts to promote biofuels use. URL: http://www.illinoisagconnection.com/story-state.cfm?Id=80 http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=7uzwu7aab.0.pymlu7aab.obx6zyn6.740p=http%3A%2F %2Fwww.illinoisagconnection.com%2Fstory-state.cfm%3FId%3D80%26yr%3D2005 yr=2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel on State Legislative Agendas
Biodiesel on State Legislative Agendas As many as 27 state legislatures will consider biodiesel initiatives this year, predicts National Biodiesel Board analyst Scott Hughes in a story on Illinois Ag Connection. In 2004, 27 biodiesel-related laws were passed from 130 biodiesel proposals introduced. In 2005, 45 pieces of legislation have already been introduced in a total of 18 states. The state initiatives join federal efforts to promote biofuels use. URL: http://www.illinoisagconnection.com/story-state.cfm?Id=80 http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=7uzwu7aab.0.pymlu7aab.obx6zyn6.740p=http%3A%2F %2Fwww.illinoisagconnection.com%2Fstory-state.cfm%3FId%3D80%26yr%3D2005 yr=2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Position available in Global Exchange's Jumpstart Ford campaign
Global Exchange is looking for a 'full-time grassroots organiser' to coordinate their Jumpstart Ford campaign. See: http://www.globalexchange.org/getInvolved/jobs.html#1 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil
significant than what does end up catching people's attention, but just to suggest we (or I) look deeper at why that post, and this thread do not receive as many replies as some of the ones that do. So how to set the ball rolling Pan? How do we encourage discussions of the threads you suggest, and others? How should we embark on this new direction for 2005? Good questions, I hope to hear a wide diversity of options ;) My warmest appreciation to everyone. Cheers, Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] US DOE and USDA offer $15 million for biomass research
Hello, That's quite a lot of money. It certainly could help many grassroots initiatives take off, but I don't think that is the intent. It is not so surprising to read that This year's focus is on development and demonstration projects that lead to greater commercialization. (From http://www.fedgrants.gov/Applicants/USDA/NRCS/2890/67-3A75-5-22/Grant.ht ml) I wonder if this is a corporate giveaway. Will those projects that get funded be a means towards a public good, or will that be secondary, with greater commercialization as the ends in itself? Anyone here applying, or thinking about it? If so, what is the project? Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] US DOE and USDA offer $15 million for biomass research DieselNet UPDATE January 2005 http://www.dieselnet.com/ US DOE and USDA offer $15 million for biomass research The US Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the US Department of Energy (DOE) announced the availability of funds to support research, development, and demonstration of biomass based products, bioenergy, biofuels, biopower, and related processes. USDA and DOE will provide as much as $15 million for the projects under their joint Biomass Research and Development Initiative. Pre-applications are due by February 15th, full applications are due by April 15th. http://www.fedgrants.gov/Applicants/USDA/NRCS/2890/67-3A75-5-22/listing. html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] The State of Food Insecurity in the World 2004
Reading that the World Bank's name is attached to this, I can't say that I agree with the approach of this document. From the ELDIS AGRICULTURE AND DEVELOPMENT REPORTER, 14 December 2004, http://www.eldis.org/agriculture/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- THE STATE OF FOOD INSECURITY IN THE WORLD 2004 Author(s): FAO Produced by: Economic and Social Department (ES), FAO (2004) Hunger and malnutrition cause tremendous human suffering, kill more than five million children every year, and cost developing countries billions of dollars in lost productivity and national income, according to the 2004 FAO annual hunger report. SOFI 2004 argues that the resources needed to effectively prevent this human and economic tragedy are minuscule when compared to the benefits and that without the direct costs (around $30 billion per year) of dealing with the damage caused by hunger, more funds would be available to combat other social problems. However the FAO is optimistic that the Millennium Development Goals (MDG) of cutting by half the number of hungry people in the world by 2015 can still be attained. Pointing out that more than 30 countries, representing nearly half the population of the developing world, have proved that rapid progress is possible and can offer lessons in how that progress can be achieved. These countries have reduced the percentage of hungry people by at least 25 percent during the 1990s. The report recommends a twin-track strategy that attacks both the causes and the consequences of extreme poverty and hunger. Track one includes interventions to improve food availability and incomes for the poor by enhancing their productive activities. Track two features targeted programmes that give the most needy families direct and immediate access to food. Other recommendations include: * countries should adopt large-scale programmes to promote primarily agriculture and rural development * priority should also be given to actions that will have an immediate impact on the food security of millions of vulnerable people. SOFI 2004 also contains a special feature on globalisation, urbanisation and changing food systems in developing countries which focuses on the spread of large retail chains, such as supermarkets and hypermarkets, in developing countries and examines the impact they are having on small farmers. This new commercial phenomenon poses serious challenges for policy-makers in developing countries who are trying to develop rural areas and improve the livelihoods of small-scale farmers. FAO recommends developing policies and programmes that will help small farmers seize opportunities offered by the new dynamic markets. The report also addresses urbanisation, the increase of hunger in urban areas, and dietary changes associated with rapid urbanisation, including an increase in non- communicable diet-related diseases. Available online at: http://www.eldis.org/cf/rdr/rdr.cfm?doc=DOC16953 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Studies Say Organic Ag Could Reduce Poverty in Developing Countries
From the Weekly Harvest Newsletter, Sustainable Agriculture News Briefs - January 27, 2005, put out by ATTRA - National Sustainable Agriculture Information Service. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Studies Say Organic Ag Could Reduce Poverty in Developing Countries Organic food production could promise a way out of poverty for many small farmers in developing countries, according to a thematic evaluation by the International Fund for Agriculture Development (IFAD). Farmers who switched to organic agriculture achieved higher earnings and a better standard of living, the study, conducted in China and India last year, showed. Similar findings were produced by an earlier study in six Latin American countries, conducted in 2001. The studies, supported by the Italian Government, looked at the role of organic agriculture in rural poverty reduction and when, and under what conditions, organics could be integrated into development programs. URL: http://www.ifad.org/media/press/2005/3.htm http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=ahp4k8aab.0.p8q8k8aab.obx6zyn6.740p=http%3A%2F %2Fwww.ifad.org%2Fmedia%2Fpress%2F2005%2F3.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] PR Posing as Science in Crop Biotechnology
Hello All, As the GM foods are not labeled, there is no way that their health impacts on the population can be identified after they are released. The same goes for biofuel. It seems to me that we ought to also be aware of GMO biofuel as much as we are aware of GMO food, though there is surprisingly little awareness in this respect. There is no explicit label for GMO foods, and many people who are buying biofuel as a green alternative to petroleum may not realize that GMO biofuel is actually a contribution to the problem and not the solution (to global warming, corporate control, inefficiency, etc. -- you decide). I am grateful that JtF and this list increases awareness of this fact -- community self-reliance is a real value, we do not simply advocate using biofuel just for the sake of using biofuel, but as a means to a more sane ends. - Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Workshop to teach about running cars on wvo
WHERE: SCI-Arc, 960 E. Third St, Los Angeles WHEN: Saturday, January 29, 2005, 12-5pm COST: $5 donation CONTACT: Matthew Ruscigno, 323-992-8598, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description: Workshop to Teach How to Run a Car on Vegetable Oil Los Angeles- When you have a passion anything is possible. That may partly explain how some environmentalists in Los Angeles have found a way to run motor vehicles on used vegetable oil. Impossible you say? On Saturday, January 29th there will be an open workshop at The Southern California Institute of Architecture (SCI-Arc) where David Rosenstraus will demonstrate the installation of the kit to run diesel vehicles on used vegetable oil. David Rosenstraus, an active musician, has always felt uneasy about the amount of fossil fuels his tour van consumes. He heard about the conversion and taught himself how to install the kit. Now his tour van and his Volkswagen Jetta run on used vegetable oil from the Chinese restaurant across the street. 'It is amazing. I do not pay a cent for the oil and my car has the acceleration and performance it had when I was using diesel. When these engines were invented vegetable oil was the original fuel source,' says David. The workshop will run from 12 to 5 PM and includes a presentation and a live demonstration on the conversion. SCI-Arc is located at 960 E. Third St in downtown Los Angeles. Organizers are asking for a 5 dollar donation To cover costs. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Genetic engineering and ethanol
Hello, From Vandana Shiva's Biopiracy, 1997: At the 1994 annual meeting of the Ecological Society of America, researchers from Oregon State University reported on tests to evaluate a genetically engineered bacterium designed to convert crop waste into ethanol. A typical root zone-inhabiting bacterium, Klebsiella planticola, was engineered with the novel ability to produce ethanol, and the engineered bacterium was added to enclosed soil chambers in which a wheat plant was growing. In one soil type, all the plants in soil with the engineered bacterium dies, while plants in untreated soil remained healthy. In all cases, mycorrhizal fungi in the root system were reduced by more than half, which ruined nutrient uptake and plant growth. This result was unprecedented. Reduction in this vital fungus is known to result in plants that are less competitive with weeds or more susceptible to disease. In low organic matter sandy soil, the plants dies from ethanol produced by the engineered bacterium in the root system, while the high organic matter sandy or clay soil, changes in nematode density and species composition resulted in significantly decreased plant growth. The lead researcher, Dr. Elaine Ingham, concluded that these results imply that there can be significant and serious effects resulting from the addition of a genetically engineered micro-organism (GEM) to soil. The tests, using a new and comprehensive system, disproved earlier suggestions that there were no significant ecological effects. 25 25. Elaine Ingham and Michael Holmes, A note on recent findings on genetic engineering and soil organisms, 1995. =-=-=-=-=- I thought that this may interest somebody out there. I found it pertinent to my ongoing study of agribusiness and genetic engineering as they relate to biofuel. - Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] who benefits most from biofuel?
Hello Everyone, Thank you to everyone who has replied to Re: patents, biotech and cellulosic ethanol with such great information. I hope that the development of cellulosic technology may be somewhat of a liberating force and not a story of corporate control. I regret that I was a bit unclear in my questioning, however. My main interest for discussion is more in the realm of economics, politics and social aspects as they relate to biofuel, and less with technology. Two questions which have recently intrigued me are these: Who benefits from biofuel? And, Who benefits *most* from biofuel? Certainly it may be stated that we benefit from biofuel. (Though I don't want to speak for *you* I venture to guess that you may feel biofuel is beneficial to attaining your goals, as entrepreneurs, activists, researchers, and many other walks of life.) Also, it may be argued that future generations benefit from further developments in biofuel, lessening the amount of net carbon we emit into the atmosphere every day. Biofuel may also be a significant improvement to those communities upwind of petroleum refineries-as we produce more biofuel perhaps we will have less petro-refineries. (That's quite an assumption. not sure about that one.) And than there's the thought that biofuel may somehow lessen the sort of 'vote with your dollars' desire for a 'war for oil,' that biofuel is beneficial to people who are having their petroleum resources exploited by foreign interests. But the question that has got me thinking lately is about who benefits *most* from biofuel. I don't want to unnecessarily get caught up in hierarchical thinking, more vs most benefits, but rather to consider to what degree corporate interests are gaining more from biofuels developments than persons like myself. Are Monsanto, Archer Daniels Midland and Cargill the main beneficiaries? What about big oil multinationals who see the potential of extending the life of petroleum through biofuel blending? I see these issues as critically important to biofuel as an *alternative*, realizing that a better world is possible, whereas the large-industrial development of biofuel as is criticized by David Pimentel for example is more along the lines of 'business as usual' with the same set of corporations at the top. I have spent far too much time disagreeing with Pimentel (I still do, and for good reason) and far too little considering some of the accusations he makes. (Please do not focus this discussion on Pimentels' work unless you really find it important, there is a lot of discussion in the biofuel list on that subject already.) Here is another set of questions that I am hoping to address in an article that I am writing. food for thought in case anyone is hungry. What are the myths that we are dealing with here? What are we (read *we* however you might, yourself maybe) advocating at a philosophical level? And what are we against? How does biofuel fit into the long-term global picture? How may biofuel relate with the WTO, IMF and World Bank? JtF does an excellent job of articulating answers to these questions, but I want to hear from people nonetheless, as sort of a philosophical exercise in original thought and creativity. Perhaps this is an exhausted dialogue for some people but I have not had discussions along these lines to consider the topics dead by any means. Thank you Keith and Martin for fostering this space. Sorry if I was long winded here. As Chico says, and I do appreciate this very much. The very best for us! - Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
patents, biotech and cellulosic ethanol was RE: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood
Hello, Thanks for posting this. What do you think about the patenting of this technology? Seems to me that by patenting cellulosic ethanol, we run into the same problems as with many other renewable energy technology. That is, it may be controlled and owned by private corporations. So the question becomes not who benefits from cellulosic ethanol, but who benefits the most. We all may stand to benefit from increased ethanol production, less petroleum, less pollution, creating jobs, etc. But when we consider who stands to gain the most, it becomes apparent that if the technology is in the hands of the few it may be at the expense of the many. Has anyone heard about cellulosic ethanol technologies which may be employed at the smaller farm or community scale? As it has been explained to me, it is a matter of getting the enzymes cheap enough to make it cost effective--one cannot make the enzymes themselves, they are a product of biotech. Am I mistaken? What are the enzymes and where do they come from? I am looking to write on this general subject and would appreciate hearing your opinions. - Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MH Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood SUNY researchers find way to make ethanol from wood By WILLIAM KATES Associated Press Writer Jan 13, 2005 SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Using nothing more than water, State University of New York researchers have devised a method for removing energy-rich sugars from wood that can be used to produce ethanol. The process is still a year or two away from commercial application, but researchers at SUNY's College of Environmental Science and Forestry and industry officials said they are encouraged it will prove economical on a larger scale. If successful, the process will be a boost to both New York's fledgling ethanol industry, and profitable for pulp and paper makers, said Dr. Thomas Amidon, chair of ESF's Paper Science and Engineering faculty. The process is a natural fit for New York, which has more than 18 million acres of mostly hardwood forests, Amidon said. Hardwoods _ which contain about four times as much sugar as softwood trees _ also cover most of the Northeast and central Atlantic states. This area of cellulosic ethanol is very promising, said Monte Shaw, a spokesman for the Renewable Fuels Association, a national trade group for the U.S. ethanol fuel industry. There are a lot of different ideas out there on how to get to the cellulose (sugar). We just need one breakthrough, Shaw said. Ethanol is an additive blended with gasoline to reduce auto emissions and increase its octane levels. Its use has exploded since 2004, when the federal government banned the use of the toxic chemical called MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether) to enhance the cleaner burning of fuel. About 3.6 billion gallons of ethanol were produced last year in the United States, according to the RFA. Typically, ethanol is made from corn, but scientists have been exploring the use of other crops, as well as grasses and trees. Amidon said wood has several advantages over corn. Trees can be harvested year round so you don't have to stockpile large inventories. They are more efficient energy collectors than annual crops. And, trees can be shipped more economically, he said. There also is a secondary benefit. The separation process also produces acetic acid, which is used primarily in manufacturing polyvinyl acetate, a plastic. The commercial value of acetic acid is nearly three times that of ethanol, Amidon said. ESF researchers used sugar maples, the state's most common tree, but the process is not choosy about the kind of hardwoods used, said Amidon. The college has a 1,000-acre willow plantation and has been experimenting with the fast-growing shrub as another source of ethanol, as well as a biofuel. The work, while still in its testing phases, has received support from International Paper, the world's largest paper company. Michael Brower, the college's director of governmental relations, said International Paper has agreed to try the process at its Ticonderoga plant. The concept of biorefineries has a very promising future that we need to explore further, said Dr. Gopaul Goyal, an International Paper scientist who is a director on the board of the Empire State Paper Research Association, which provides funding for such projects. Brower noted that paper makers already have most of the equipment they would need to extract the sugar from the wood. Currently, paper plants discard the sugar-rich water used in making pulp, he said. Empire Biofuels and Northeast Biofuels, the developers of New York's two proposed ethanol plants, also are keenly interested in the process, Brower said. The process involves using ordinary wood chips, which are mixed with water
RE: [Biofuel] Dust Supressants, Biodiesel, and B100 Soy
Hi Phillip, I don't have any links, but that is certainly an interesting prospect. When he returns to the country, a friend of mine is eager to work with his air quality management district to apply glycerin on dirt roads as a means of reducing dust. This could be yet another use for some of that glycerin by-product. - Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillip Wolfe Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Dust Supressants, Biodiesel, and B100 Soy Dear Readers: The San Joaquin Valley of California has problems with air quality. I read that dust,ag-related dust, and dust related to construction activities contribute to sources of particulate matter. Traditionally the regular petroleum oils and/or water are used to supress dust - especially on ag land. I that soy dust supressants and/or B50 or B100 can provide solution. Any information or weblinks kindly appreciated. Thank you. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] California Farmers Work to Move Beyond the 'O' Word
01/05/05 California Farmers Work to Move Beyond the 'O' Word A feature article in the East Bay Express profiles farmers Rick and Kristie Knoll of Brentwood, California, and their concerns about national organic certification. Although their 10-acre farm would likely qualify, they have refused to certify it out of concerns about the direction national standards are heading. What are people eating, exactly? asked Rick Knoll. Is it the organic food that they thought it was when they went to the farmers' market and first discovered it twenty years ago? URL: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2005-01-05/news/feature_1.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Can ethanol be transported through the existing pipeline? ... was [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy
Hello, I was perusing the Energy Commission report (URL below) and it cites that a drawback of ethanol is that it cannot be transported by pipeline. That seems odd to me, after all it is a liquid just like petrol, no? What part of our liquid fuel pipeline infrastructure would need to be changed (when switching from petrol to ethanol and/or biodiesel)? Here's what the report states on p. 71, Table 4-1: [Regarding Corn and cellulosic ethanol] Compatible with existing infrastructure: It Depends . . . Can be blended with gasoline at varying levels, but cannot now be transported by pipeline and must be moved by barge or truck. It doesn't state that this is a problem with biodiesel however. From: http://www.energycommission.org/ewebeditpro/items/O82F4682.pdf Thanks folks. Be Well, - Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillip Wolfe Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy Dear BioFuel Readers, Regarding the recent US Energy Strategy, I read the executive summary which is as follows: 1. ENHANCING OIL SECURITY 2. REDUCING RISKS FROM CLIMATE CHANGE 3. INCREASING ENERGY EFFICIENCY 4. ENSURING AFFORDABLE, RELIABLE ENERGY SUPPLIES 5. STRENGTHENING ESSENTIAL ENERGY SYSTEMS 6. DEVELOPING ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES FOR THE FUTURE As it relates to US activity in biofuels/ethanol/non-petroleum fuels, it appears the bipartisan panel strategy provides much opportunity for entrepreneurs and biofuel advocates. I wish there was more wording and attention by the commissioners on the actual ream activities of the distribution of new fuels, the refineries themselves and the pipeline distribution of non-petroleum fuels (soy, canola, rapeseed, WVO, SVO, ethanol, CNG) and more wording on the conversion of existing refineries into biodiesel refineries. Thanks Keith for the notification. --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DieselNet December 2004 http://www.dieselnet.com/ Bipartisan panel recommends US energy strategy The National Commission on Energy Policy--a bipartisan group of energy experts from industry, government, labor, academia, and environmental and consumer groups--released a consensus strategy to address major long-term US energy challenges. The report, Ending the Energy Stalemate: A Bipartisan Strategy to Meet America's Energy Challenges, contains policy recommendations for addressing oil security, climate change, natural gas supply, the future of nuclear energy, and other long-term challenges. The report calls for incentives to increase global oil production, recommends to increase domestic vehicle fuel economy, and to increase investment in alternative fuels. The climate change plan would limit greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, but a cost cap for doing so would be established. Incentives should be also provided for low- and non- carbon sources like natural gas, renewable energy, nuclear energy, and advanced coal technologies with carbon capture and sequestration. Among many detailed recommendations, the report supports domestic production of advanced diesel and hybrid vehicles. The Commission concluded that a combination of improved conventional gasoline technologies and advanced hybrid-electric and diesel technologies can significantly increase fuel economy without sacrificing size, power, or safety. The report gives little prominence to fuel cells and hydrogen technologies. Hydrogen was not deemed as potentially competitive with gasoline by 2020. The Commission supports continued research and development into hydrogen as a long-term (2050) solution. The Commission also concludes, however, that hydrogen offers little to no potential to improve oil security and reduce climate change risks in the next twenty years, said the report. To enhance US oil security, the Commission recommends increasing and diversifying world oil production, strengthening federal fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks beginning no later than 2010 and reforming the 30-year-old Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) program. Furthermore, production of hybrid and advanced diesel vehicles would be encouraged by $3 billion over ten years in manufacturer and consumer incentives. Incentives would be also provided for the development of non-petroleum transportation fuel alternatives, particularly ethanol and biodiesel from waste products and biomass. These steps could reduce US oil consumption in 2025 by an estimated 10-15% or 3-5 million barrels per day. To reduce risks from climate change, the report suggests (1) mandatory GHG emission reductions, and (2) international cooperation in GHG reduction programs--both approaches traditionally opposed by the US administration. The Commission recommends implementing in 2010 a mandatory
[Biofuel] Re: Sorell Boots
Try American Apparell. TheyÕre on the web. Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Buddhist Economics
EF Schumacher's classic lecture entitled Buddhist Economics is now available online, with many translations, at http://www.smallisbeautiful.org/frameset_buddhist.html Direct URL for the English format: http://www.smallisbeautiful.org/english.pdf I am excited to attend a short course at the Schumacher College in England next month! - Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Buddhist Technology - was Re: Sermon on the mount...Re: Titration problems http://www.smallisbeautiful.org/lec-zaj.html Buddhist Technology: Bringing a New Consciousness to Our Technological Future by Arthur Zajonc Seventeenth Annual E. F. Schumacher Lecture October 1997, Williams College, Williamstown, Massachusetts Edited by Hildegarde Hannum ©Copyright 1999 E. F. Schumacher Society and Arthur Zajonc Available in pamphlet form from the E. F. Schumacher Society, 140 Jug End Road, Great Barrington, Massachusetts 01230, (413) 528-1737, www.schumachersociety.org/publication.html Introduction by John McClaughry, Chairman, E. F. Schumacher Society Board of Directors In the seventeen-year history of Schumacher Lectures, we have on several occasions had a speaker from the biological sciences, but to the best of my recollection we've never had a physical scientist. For someone who started out as a physicist this is a special privilege for me to be able to present to you Arthur Zajonc, Professor of Physics at Amherst College. Arthur has been a visiting professor and a research physicist at Ecole Suprieure in Paris, the Max Planck Institute for Quantum Optics, and the Universities of Rochester, Innsbruck (Austria), and Hannover (Germany). He is a nationally and internationally known expert on quantum optics and, beyond his professional expertise, a well-known commentator and social thinker concerned with such subjects as mind and consciousness as they relate to the physical world and vice versa; the history of science; and Goethe, the German thinker, poet, and great literary figure. He is the author of Catching the Light: The Entwined Histories of Light and Mind, co-author of The Quantum Challenge, and co-editor of Goethe's Way of Science. The former program director of the Fetzer Institute in Kalamazoo, Michigan, which tries to combine science, consciousness, and spirituality, he is currently President of the Anthroposophical Society in America and of the Lindesfarne Association. We welcome him not only as a scientist but also as an historian and social critic and a person of compelling insights into our world and its future: Dr. Arthur Zajonc. * * * * First let me express what a great pleasure it is to be here with such a distinguished group, not only of speakers but also of participants. In addition it is a privilege to be one in the long line of speakers who have been part of this series over the past seventeen years. The ideals of E. F. Schumacher live in the hearts of all of us here and, I think, of a great many others throughout the world. I would like to start by holding our collective feet to the fire and dramatizing the particular modern problematic in which we find ourselves. The history of Western civilization John Mohawk gave us earlier this morning-a history of domination of both the environment and indigenous peoples-is the history of ourselves and remains the history in which we still find ourselves embedded. That is to say, we still participate fully, all of us, speakers included, in that troubling history. We are meeting at Williams College. I teach at Amherst College. Both are places of enormous privilege. Here in the Clark Art Institute we are surrounded by the fruits of European high culture as well as the finest works of American art. All of us, having arrived here on the backs of our automobiles, are part of a privileged elite. For large portions of the earth's population America is felt as being on their backs. It is only because they are impoverished, because their rain forests are being destroyed, because their mineral resources are being extracted and exported that we are able to get to lectures like this, tape-record them, and finally publish them on paper produced from their trees. The pattern of exploration and development continues. One of the great questions we must ask as modern, conscious, somewhat self-reflective individuals is, What can we do about the burden imposed on the earth by our actions? Is it possible to alleviate it, mitigate it, live through it? And what is the role of technology relative to it? If we are responsible for such a burden, can't we find a way to relieve it, perhaps by returning to a manner of living like that of several thousand years ago or even a few hundred years ago-one that has, for example, a much closer relationship to the land? The urban populations
[Biofuel] Stainless Steel and Wvo
Anyone know of any negative effects on stainless steel from longterm exposure to WVO? Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] agroecological production of biofuel integrating agroforestry, polyculture and mushrooms
Hello Keith, Kind of basic questions. I doubt you'll find much of the really essential mushrooms growing in any corn or any other type of field associated with ADM, ie the mycorrhizal fungi. That's probably a good place of start. If you get that right you'll probably get everyhing else right too, and if you don't you won't, no matter what else you do. Start here: Trees and Toadstools by M.C. Rayner, D.Sc., Faber and Faber, 1945. Dr Rayner can be credited with putting the mycorrhizal association on the agricultural map. Mycorrhizas are fungus-roots, a symbiotic relationship between plant roots and friendly soil fungi without which most plants cannot thrive, while many cannot even survive without their fungal partners. The fungus actually feeds the plant, and in return the plant feeds the fungus the products of the green leaf which the fungus is unable to make for itself. Enhanced by good humus maintenance and often damaged by chemical fertilizers and pesticides, the mycorrhizal association is fundamental to why organic growing works. http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#rayner Full text online. Best wishes Keith Basic questions indeed, but I'm still seeking to hear about people's real life experiences with farming the fuel in polyculture. Haven't heard much on that level though I know it's here. My question on mushrooms was more directed toward saprophytic fungi, though hearing about what mycorrhizal fungi biofuel farmers are incorporating, if any, would be interesting. Of course it is not likely that there is much of anything living and non-corn present in the soil of ADM fields--they apply heavy fungicides, herbicides, pesticides, etc. But as a sustainable agriculture enthusiast, I can venture to guess that by allowing the biodiversity to expand in their fields, ADM could increase the resilience of their systems, cut costs on chemical inputs, increase and diversify yields, and end up with slightly more fertile soil. Imagine a basic study such as a comparison of (1) a conventional monoculture corn field with (2) an organic and fungi-inoculated monoculture corn field with (3) an organic and fungi inoculated polyculture of corn-beans-squash. Is a study like that of any use or is it redundant? What would entice ADM to try more ecologically sound methods? I would think that economic feasibility and increased profits may be their jargon. I appreciate your comments. - Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] agroecological production of biofuel integratingagroforestry, polyculture and mushrooms
Hello Dave, University studies have been conducted within the past three years in Washington State on your topic of fungi and organic gardening. Their ongoing studies with mycology include supporting a scholarship program for students and well as international association with other universities. Their demonstrations in breaking down construction waste including petroleum-based contaminants are very impressive. And their soil restoration and remediation work continues offering current information, experimentation, and practical solutions to different climates, soil conditions, etc. Also their myco-medicinal products are now distributed world-wide. I understand that many peer-reviewed publications expect data from within the past five years. These people also offer classes and are extremely enthusiastic and practical about projects and research. The owner, Paul Staments works very hard to establish growing centers throughout the world. http://www.fungiperfecti.com/ Best wishes, Peggy Hi Peggy, I am reading two of Paul Stamets' books right now and enjoying them very much, Mushroom Cultivation and Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms. I appreciate the practicality and do-it-yourself attitude he takes. Recently I've used their mycorrhizal products, medicinals, plug spawn and mushroom kits (which are turning out to be a great holiday present for my folks ;) His work and foraging with the Santa Cruz Fungus Federation have shaped what I know about mushrooms, and provoked my interest to learn more. It amazes me how little has been done in the mycological field, and how quickly Paul is developing patents... seems like there are 20 that he's working on currently. At the SF Green Festival he mentioned one of them... inoculating the cardboard boxes they ship their mushroom kits in so that not only do you get the kit to produce, say Shitake, but the cardboard box may than be thrown in a decomposing wood pile or lawn where it may flourish and produce additional fruiting fungi. Innovative, huh? In searching www.fungiperfecti.com and than google for related articles, I found one which doesn't have specifics, which is what I'm looking for, but is suggesting essentially the same thing as myself: A single integrated biosystem may produce biogas, microbial protein, mushrooms, compost, animal feed, biogas, ethanol, antibiotics, vitamins and acids. http://www.rirdc.gov.au/reports/Ras/01-174sum.html Take Care, Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] agroecological production of biofuel integrating agroforestry, polyculture and mushrooms
Hello, I recently enrolled in an ecological horticulture apprenticeship program in Santa Cruz, CA, USA and am thinking ahead about my final project--agroecological biofuel production. At this point I would like to review the literature and engage in discussion, but it is possible that I may get some research plots going at the UCSC farm or other agroforestry projects I am involved with in Central America. Some of my initial questions on the subject are: What mushrooms might be integrated into the corn fields of Archer Daniels Midland (or our small corn-beans-squash polyculture) to increase the yield, stability, and soil fertility of the system? What plant (and animal) guilds have farmers used for biofuel production in temperate and tropical climates? What biofuel-appropriate crops would do well in agroforestry systems? - Dave Shaw ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Gas Stations and C-Stores
We have a closed station here in our community as well and it could pose an excellent opportunity to start something (if we can get a few more involved..say a hundred or so). I have thought about this for some time now, especially as we are trying to see how we can get information on production facilities to construct in our area (actually a number of locations in our region). As a lot of Eastern Montana has experienced a decline in population there could be several opportunities for converting closed stations to Bio-fuels. I would like to experiment with a small Ethanol and Bio-Diesel plant here (in the range of 5 to 20 million gallons per year production, enough to make it commercially viable if it worked out and definitely expandable) as I don't see it working any other way. We have a lot of +'s working for us as far a production location goes and the Ag industry here is ripe for new production and new goals and incentives. Anyone with ideas or thoughts are certainly welcome to chime-in or expound upon them. Dave Brockes New Harvest Energy, LLC Sidney, MT [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Gas Stations and C-Stores I will finally admit to you biofuel readers that I worked at a major petorluem company in the petroeleum distribution and energy business. I worked with up to 10,000 gas stations at one time. It was in this position that I was exposed to gas stations, C-Stores and then later biofuels and biodiesels. I worked at a energy services startup within the petroleum company. We had a great job to market energy conservation services to companies and gas stations in need of energy conservation - on an industrial scale. It was in this position that I was exposed to gas stations, C-Stores and then later biofuels and biodiesels. The C-Store business in the United States is a quite independent group of owners, jobbers and distributors. They own both branded and unbranded gas stations (C-Stores for Convenience Stores). Because they are indpendendtly owned the owner-operators are very enterpreneurial AND more environmental conscious than I ever dreamed. The current challange is the owner-operators depend greatly on the parent petroleum companies for supply of petroleum and knowledge of marketing. But not all of them. There are many independent non-branded gas station C stores. I think there is an oportunity of offer gas station owners another supply stream. A supply stream of biofuels. The problem is that if they are BRANDED with a major petroleum company they will not be allowed to have another pump at the station. I know this because an indpendent mined gas station owner operator in Idaho tried this and his parent petroleum company spanked him. I tried to intervene and help him by hooking him up with a biodiesel supplier but my parent petroleum company told me that this was not within the corporate guidelines because the biodiesel would negate the engine manufacturers warranty. If we can build trust with this group, I think there is an opportunity to start a Starbucks of the gas station business. I say Starbucks because who ever thought that something as simple as coffee could every have another market entrant like Starbucks. I don't think Folgers ever thought this would happen. So us readers in biofuels can do the same. It takes one of us or two of us to start a little gas station but call it a biofuel station. There is a small gas station in my neighborhood in San Leandro, California. It is closed now but I would love to open this as independent with biofuels. It takes money and courage. Maybe each one of you can identify a orphan gas station in your area. And we can change the world step by step. Hey, maybe we call em Orphan Fuels Maybe I am dreaming too much. Merry Christmas. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] brazil contacts for car conversions
Hello, My friend from California is heading into Brazilia (or Sao Paulo) next month, and would love to connect with fellow biofuelers. Specifically, he's looking for more information on ethanol engine conversions done in Brazil. He's a real do-er and would greatly benefit from taking a good look at what is happening in Brazil under the hood. He has converted a number of small engines to ethanol and is playing around with putting 50% into his autos. Is there anyone in the area interested in a friendly international information exchange? We appreciate your time, Yours truly, Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Oil-crop growers form biofuel co-op
Montana State University News October 31, 2002 Oil-crop growers form biofuel co-op http://www.montana.edu/commserv/csnews/nwview.php?article=582 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Looking for bio oils and lubricants
Hello, I am looking for biodegradable, 100% (or 99.9%) plant derived 2-stroke and 4-stroke motor oils and lubricants. We have many vehicles running on ethanol, biodiesel and SVO, and just hate the idea of putting in petro motor oil on our next oil changes. We are looking for a bulk buy of some sort, maybe even a distributorship, but haven't had luck locating a business which markets 100% biooil for use in 4 stroke engines. Any help is appreciated, I know its out there. Thanks! Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Alternative Fuels Summit, Mercy Hot Springs, California, April 8-10, 2005
http://www.veggiebus.com/AFS.html Alternative Fuels Summit, Hosted by Mercy Host Springs and Unifried the Biofuel Bus Friday April 8, to Sunday, April 10, 2005 Learn about Straight vegetable oil processing, Brewing biodiesel and ethanol, Electric vehicles, Emissions reductions (the scientific stuff) and more! For more information visit: www.mercyhotsprings.com http://www.mercyhotsprings.com/ or www.veggiebus.com http://www.veggiebus.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels.
Hi Hakan, I would be very interested in reading that UN report that you mentioned--I did some searches but couldn't find it. Do you have a URL? - Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 11:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel for nought ...? Part I. switch to biofuels. --- begin quote see this as very positive. I also read the UN report about the social impacts of ethanol production in Brazil during the last 30 years. It was a lot of positive things that was confirmed and verified. I cannot understand how people in US, UK and Australia can fall for scare tactics about biofuel, when we have such a well documented pilot case to look at. --- end quote --- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind
The bearings on the machine shown in the video were a problemactually it was not a bearing problem as much as it was an out of round problem for the bottom ring that flowed over the bearing. The company decided it was going to be a continuing critical issue so has gone back to their original design (from 9 predecessor prototype machines), of diverting the majority of the outer weight to a center axis point. The only outside bearings that will be in place will not be constant weight bearing points but will be more like guidewires for those occasions when high winds might be strong enough to flex the upper unit. Much of the design will remain the same and the units ability to operate multiple generators of any type will still be in place; there just won't be any friction points on the outside edges of the machine other than pressure sensitive type rollers that will provide the link for each generator in place, up to 400kW (or so is anticipated). As far as penciling out, it will, easily, but as everything else will depend on what terms you have (or have) to make with any utility company you might be working with; of course, if you are setting this up to replace a grid system on a retail basis you won't care what the utility wants. There are and will be many options for the use of this or any Wind system, now or in the future. This machine won't be produced to take the place of existing tower type turbines and, at this point, it would be foolish to think that; but, it certainly could be a co-existing partner where many of the tower turbines have been placed as this unit would cause no to very little deflection problem in most cases. Weight does not seem to be a big problem with this machine, however I certainly think they need to do additional RD on composite materials to reduce the weight, especially if it is going to be a free wheeling machine. If they can get the weight factor down to 10,000 to 15,000 pounds it will open many new doors for them. The big catch is to do it at a reasonable cost and comparative to what it is for steel (though who knows where that is going to go as it has doubled in the past year). Right now the 400kW model is expected to have a price of about $300,000; but again, it depends on material costs. Dave - Original Message - From: Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:59 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind Elegance of design means simple. I would like to see a tally of wear points for this design plus fab costs. I doubt it will pencil. If the sealed grease bearings on my truck can be made to last 10 years I see no problem if it's built well enough. There is no reason these days to have short bearing life. Chris. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind
It's all centrifugal force, the sails close with the aid of hydraulic (actually pneumatic) rams that are modified to take air in and ease it out depending upon what the sails are doing. As the unit receives more wind additional generators come on line and create additional leverage against the ring drive, helping slow the unit or keeping it from excessive speed. The sails also remain open if speeds start to get too fast which also helps create additional drag to maintain reasonable RPM's. Prototype units have been recorded operating in wind speeds in excess of 102mph without any ill effects on the unit itself or without cutting power production off. While this unit is very large, (compared to what I'm not sure), it certainly has some advantages in the maintenance area. It's low to the ground so most repairs to generators and their linkage take place at 10 feet or less (most of us that have moderate height fear can tolerate that), off the ground; if it's something structural it would be 30 feet or less. If a sail gets damaged (say from someone shooting at it and making it look like Swiss cheese), it can be easily replaced, usually within a few hours and by the owner or caretakerand that's only if a person really needed too. In reality you could have several of the sails damaged and the unit will still operate and produce power so one has the advantage of picking and choosing his/her own time to do any repairs. Most anything on this unit can be repaired by the owner/caretaker and normally could be done within a day or two as nearly all parts are available at your local builder supply/farm supply/auto parts stores. This machine has been designed to be extremely user friendly and they expect it to have a life cycle of at least 30 years. I've been told that in most cases they don't even want to talk to someone about purchasing their machine if they can't show them and pencil out a ROI in less than 6 yearspreferably 2.5 to 4 years. I understand the reservations about this design, just like anything else that seems a little radical; and I don't blame folks for their skepticism, but I'll stand by these guys and know that they are going to get this right and very soon. You can see them at their website: http://energytransfercorporation.com/ Sorry to be so wordy, just trying to make this as simple as possible. Dave - Original Message - From: Martin K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind I don't think it has controls, I think they are positioned automatically. If this is not the case please let me know. Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind
I know this is a little off our usual line of topics but as the subject has been presented I thought I would throw this out along with it. I have been working with a small developer who has been doing extensive RD on a VAWT. They are currently in the middle of construction with their production model and hope to have it operational by the first week of December. I cannot refute any remarks pertaining to previous VAWT machines at this point but have a strong feeling these guys might be on to a little something here. You can go to www.newharvestenergy.com to get some basic information about them and view a short clip on their last prototype machine built last year. I can try to answer any questions you might have but for technical data the information will be limited to what they have been able to learn with other models they have built to this point. Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate it and enjoy this time with your families. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind Not Swedish. Bohemian Celt actually. Was madly infatuated with a little Norwegian girl when we were in the 8th grade though. She told me ufda was being at the airport when your ship comes in. As to your other question -- Fatigue stress is much higher in a VAWT than a HAWT. Inescapable. To quote Hugh Piggott http://www.fieldlines.com/comments/2004/1/20/103054/698/2?mode=alone;showrate=1 I'm going to paste in my standard reply to this question. Vertical axis wind turbines are very popular in universities and with many home-builders. Attractive features include the ability to take wind from any direction and the ability to site mechanical parts at ground level. In spite of a huge amount of research, vertical axis wind turbines have failed to become widely accepted. Low speed vertical axis wind turbines of the 'Savonius' type are useful for really basic simple rugged machines with low efficiency, and low rpm. But the same amount of effort put into a horizontal axis machine will yield much greater returns. High speed Darrieus 'egg-beater' or alternatively H-rotor type vertical axis (VAWT) wind turbines are popular in university engineering departments but have never been successful in the marketplace, except briefly in California. In brief, the main problem with high speed vertical axis wind turbines is the fact that the blades suffer from reverse buffeting by the wind every single revolution. This causes severe fatigue loading which shortens the life expectancy of blades. This is usually the main reason why they fail to become commercially viable. some vertical axis urls http://www.awea.org/faq/vawt.html (good overall comparison) http://www.solwind.co.nz/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (leo laza is/was a VAWT fanatic) http://www.windside.com/painik/menu1.htm (check out the prices) http://www.southcom.com.au/~windmill/ (savonius) http://www.iteva.org.br/tecnologias/energetica/rotor/index.asp http://www.nexwindenergy.com http://home.inreach.com/integener/ http://www.massmegawatts.com/ http://www.ecoquestintl.com/eqwindtreepop.htm http://www.ropatec.com/en http://www.aerotecture.com/ there are good books available concerning Savonius rotors made of drums. One of the best is: Savonius Rotor Construction. J.A.Kozlowski. VITA USA. 1977. 0-86619-062-7. Available from http://www.vita.org 'PicoTurbine Deluxe Windmill Plans' text is a good one. Available from http://www.picoturbine.com. At 10:28 pm +0100 14/7/02, Christopher William Turner wrote: There was hard vertical test results (from 1979!) at http://www.sandia.gov/Renewable_Energy/wind_energy/topical.htm In rough summary, a 1.5m high x 1m diameter Savonius managed a Cp of 0.22-0.25 Two bucket with 0.1d overlap is best. Use 2, vertically stacked at 90degree rotation to get even torque. A Darrius managed a Cp of 0.3-0.35. NACA0015 airfoil seems good. Solidity 0.15 to 0.2. TSR 4-6. Not self starting. I think HAWTs manage Cp of 0.48 and use much less blade material. -- Christopher William Turner, http://www.cycom.co.uk/ Hugh Piggott http://www.scoraigwind.co.uk --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk, There's nothing wrong with vertical-axis wind turbines (VAWTs), in principle. All turbines deal with turbulent loads more or less. The problem is with business attitudes-- companies dropped the VAWTs when they were not looking competitive, and now few people are willing to go back and take a second look. I think I know how to solve the VAWT problems when somebody is ready. Now, to jog your sense of reality-- it may be that the next move into VAWTs will be for use under-water. You know, wave and tide power. Are you Swedish? (OOPS, forgive me, I guess we're a little off-topic, aren't we! ) Ernie Rogers In a message dated 11/20/2004 11:07:48 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Biofuel] Neoteric Kits?
Anyone running a diesel on wvo using a neoteric kit? IÕm about to do the deal and trying to decide which way to go. Would love to talk to someone who has done one of these kits themselves. Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] filtering WVO
I am using Kentucky Fried oil to heat my house with an oil gun boiler which I have connected to my hot air furnace. My problem is how do I prefilter the oil so I do not use up so many disposable auto oil filters?. I have tried reusable stainless steel coffee filters with hot oil but they plug up in about a gallon and have to be cleaned. Any suggestions? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] To small batch producersof bio-diesel in minnesota
the workshop. Thank you. Dave - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] To small batch producersof bio-diesel in minnesota Greetings All, I am preparing to build my first small scale plant and am wondering if thier are any small scale producers in the twin cites area and north toward brained/baxter that are using wvo as thier prime supply? I would like to talk/vist a working system wiether 30 or 300 gallons in size to gain a better understanding of pro/con of tanks/technique's and related issue's. I have just started to review the archives in hopes of gaining a lot of my answers there, but it would be great to see some in action so to speak. On a side note anyone from mlps/stP going to the workshop in Nevada,Iowa this late October? cordially R. Taylor == Admittedly, I'm just an armchair hobbyist on all of this, though the workshop would be interesting to attend. The price is not all that bad considering a 5 day IT class is about double the cost. The Ames/Nevada area is nice country also. They have a huge Barilla (Italian family owned) pasta plant between Ames and Nevada. It consumes 75,000 tonnes (tons) of durum wheat per year. The wheat does not come from nearby North Dakota, but from Arizona. There are also a number of large wind turbine farms nearby. One of them, you can see from I-35 highway. Ron B. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Request for feed-back
I made a similar request as this a week or so ago and did not get much of anything in the way of a response from the group. I know there is a huge amount of knowledge and experience out there in at least one or the other areas of my request. Most anything would help but particularly in the way of manufacturers of this size of equipment or the processes overall. I certainly invite any reply, thought or suggestion towards what we are trying to do. The basics of what I'm hoping to learn a little about follows: We are trying to investigate the possibilities of establishing an extraction plant for SVO that will allow us to produce about 2000GPD of oil (from locally grown crops). We would like to feed this oil directly into a power generation system that will be producing about 2000kW on a continuous basis. There will be a 2nd generator that will mirror the first and we'll alternate between them for constant service. We are trying to identify equipment that will allow us to do this process in a cost effective manner but not getting much response from equipment manufacturers. Does anyone have any experience doing this or can you suggest good reliable equipment to use for the extraction process? A manufacturer? Any recommendations or thoughts on the process itself. The biggest problem of course is that no Engine manufacturer will warranty the engine if we use a bio-diesel fuel, (much less SVO), consequently we are going to have to resort to buying used equipment for this plant. Are you aware of any programs that might help sponsor a project such as ours and would they know of affordable resources for equipment. We (a small group of 5 of us doing RD with other alternatives; mainly wind), are putting together a viable project and plant that a small community will use as a test project. The local school is ready to take Wind generated power from our new concept wind generator as soon as we can get the money together to run the poles and lines to the school but the power plant (back-up) will come as a 2nd phase of our project. Any direction that you could point us in would be very much appreciated. Thank you in advance for any possible suggestions or recommendations. David M. Brockes New Harvest Energy, LLC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] positive changes in western KS
I wish Montana could see the forest (for the trees), and simply start.talk about change being hard!! We hope to contribute to that change though but getting the wheels turning is a very slow process. Starting with Wind for now but will be adding much more in the very near future and hopefully giving our farmers and Ag communities a badly needed shot in the arm. Pleasant weekend to all. Dave New Harvest Energy - Original Message - From: Stuart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:27 AM Subject: [Biofuel] positive changes in western KS I am pleasantly surprised at how things have changed the last few years out here in western Kansas. I work for the petroleum department of a large farmers coop and we are finally offering dyed B2. The cost is 1 cent over conventional dyed fuel so it is taking a little time for farmers to get on board. CENEX has helped by offering a 5 cent rebate to get things started, but I don't know how long that will continue. We have even had a few over the road truckers ask for biodiesel. Those that have been exposed to it comment on cooler running engines, etc. It is just a matter of education and exposure. We have sold gasohol for years at the same price as unleaded but still have people that don't like it. One old boy insists he can smell the difference in the exhaust so he won't use it. Change is hard for some people. If we would only offer ethanol they would slowly come around. Either way, there are ethanol plants popping up all over do to economic incentives from the state. Nebraska has done an excellent job, I wish Kansas could keep up their pace. Thanks for all the hard work and remember, if you elect an oil man be ready to for all the baggage that comes with him. stujo ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Any help Appreciated
Good Information from everyone, thank you. As this Oil is going to be used to fuel power source generators we won't be too concerned about the edible aspects of the resulting extractiononly the positive characteristics of the oil for fuel. Have several good sources for extraction equipment from India and other countries but nothing much for N. America. Are there any reasonably priced outlets in our regions that anyone knows of? 1500-2000 GPD production levels; but could be more if we had too. Again, thank you. Dave - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Any help Appreciated Appal Energy wrote: Canola is just the trade name for rapeseed hybrid(s?) that grow(s) well at higher latitudes in the northern hemisphere. Close, but not quite. Canola is the legal name for low-erucic acid rapeseed. By US law, canola oil is a triglyceride with an erucic acid content of no more than 2 percent of the component fatty acids. In the EU, the maximum allowable amount of erucic acid in any fat or oil intended for human consumption is 5%. On the other hand, high erucic acid rapeseed is used as an industrial lubricant. You don't want to eat it. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Appreciated some ideassss
Great information Buck, I appreciate your time to consider my request and reply. We pretty much have an idea on the Gen-sets but are somewhat at a loss for the extraction process and equipment required to achieve our end goal1500-2000 GPD continuous production. Any thoughts there would certainly be welcome. We'll be using SVO in the Gen-sets and may expand production to include the Farm equipment. Thank you again, it's a great help. Dave Brockes - Original Message - From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Appreciated some idea i believe msot ofthese gensets will run on sstraight veg oil, i would not attempt this with wassste oil in these dieselsss, any supsended solidss,,, saltss, or acids picked up from the coocked foods would probalby make shsort shrift of the sometimes millionths of an inch clearance in the fuell injection sysstem, there are many great bargaisns in surplus military genssetss, 1,2,3,3 cylinder aircooled diesesls, military standard, listerpetter, and onan are some,, they come three wayss,straight dc,,, ac in 60 cyclee and 400 cycle, 60 cyclee at 120 and 240 volstss are most usefule as thats what we have mosst use of,, the 400 cycle will not power any of the comon appliancesss, none, howerver it is ok for any resistive use as long as the voltage is appropriate,,, it will power lightbulbs and resisstance heaters, lightbuldss dont care aabout frequesncyy,(60 cy) and whilee im still thisnking about it, i wanat to say, when i say sometsshsing here,, it is bucks opinion,, opiniomnanything i say is subject to challensge, if i disagree i wall ask for sourcesss,, generally i dont feel stroangly enough about opinion to start an aarguemnt,i am kpretty much middle ofthe roadd, someone might want to lookk aht the gassifier plants built on the backs of carss in germanty, and bakc of busses in the phillipiness during wwII,,they weren very efiecient, they workeedd on spark ignnn engines only, but thw buirned readily avialable materia, coconut hulls, palllm trees, fronds wood, most anything,,, basic lawsss of mechanics,,, thermodynamicss,,, any time u change onee kind of energy to another, there will asslways be a loss,, if u need heat, and u have sun, make a lsolar collector airbos, its easy and inaespensive, and u dont have to pump it,if u dont have much sunlight, and your someplace where its not illegal,and u need heat, buirn somethning,,, just now the most efricent way to gel handleld lighttt is superbright ledss,,, i have a flsaashlight with leds that i bout a yers agoo and it still hads the original two d celll batteries, a 3000 mcd microcandles,, led will genarally burn at least 40 hours on 2 d clells,i left myine on for a weekk, just forgot it, it was still buening,, try that with resistor boulb flashlight, guarntee the batteries will be dead in aobut two hours,, ive said endough, starnidnt to ramble, thiss si bukc _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Any help Appreciated
Todd, Thank you very much for your input. I'll check out those companies. Have also heard of good equipment in S. America (Brazil I think); an knowledge of that? Wouldn't Canola offer a higher yield per acre or is the growing season too short? Any thoughts about the residual protein meal left over? I don't suppose there are any Human uses for it is there? Thanks again, have a great week. Dave Brockes - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Any help Appreciated Is it, or would it be practical to use SVO products in gen-sets producing power or in a continuous operational situation? Yes. SVO or WVO can also be used as a fuel for process heat, aka boilers, etc., as can the recovered FFAs from making biodiesel. Just take in the consideration that the system may need a pre-heating feature for the fuel in cooler climes and/or winter months. At northern latitudes you would probably want to go with rapeseed, aka canola, at ~ 100 gallons per acre. Insta-Pro, Anderson and Dupps are suppliers of extruders and expeller presses on the North American continent. Insta-Pro is probably the most affordable of the three, but not coveted quite so highly as Dupps. It's not difficult to find used and/or refurbished equipment of all three brands. The volume you mention would be approximately 13-15 acres of rapeseed yield being pressed daily. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Dave Brockes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Any help Appreciated I am reposting this as I am not sure if it got out to everyone before the switch from yahoo. I did not get any response to it before so I'm sure it either didn't get out or I sent it to the wrong groupbut it does not look like the wrong group to me, I'm sure there is plenty of experience and knowledge that could be helpful out thereany would be appreciated. Thank you for your time too. Original message follows: Is it, or would it be practical to use SVO products in gen-sets producing power or in a continuous operational situation? In vehicles if there were a pre-heating system? Are there good Agricultural products with high oil content that can be grown in colder climates, like the upper reaches of Alberta, British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario Canada? Can they be produced and utilized at an economical cost? Anyone know of or have suggestions for good quality extraction equipment? (5000L or 1500Gal per day range) Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions. New Harvest Canada ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Any help Appreciated
I am reposting this as I am not sure if it got out to everyone before the switch from yahoo. I did not get any response to it before so I'm sure it either didn't get out or I sent it to the wrong groupbut it does not look like the wrong group to me, I'm sure there is plenty of experience and knowledge that could be helpful out thereany would be appreciated. Thank you for your time too. Original message follows: Is it, or would it be practical to use SVO products in gen-sets producing power or in a continuous operational situation? In vehicles if there were a pre-heating system? Are there good Agricultural products with high oil content that can be grown in colder climates, like the upper reaches of Alberta, British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario Canada? Can they be produced and utilized at an economical cost? Anyone know of or have suggestions for good quality extraction equipment? (5000L or 1500Gal per day range) Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions. New Harvest Canada ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[biofuel] Fuel Questions-SVO
Is it, or would it be practical to use SVO products in gen-sets producing power or in a continuous operational situation? In vehicles if there were a pre-heating system? Are there good Agricultural products with high oil content that can be grown in colder climates, like the upper reaches of Alberta, British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario Canada? Can they be produced and utilized at an economical cost? Anyone know of or have suggestions for good quality extraction equipment? (5000L or 1500Gal per day range) Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions. New Harvest Canada [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel vs Gasoline Emissions per mi
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was disappointed that while various people were very appreciative, yet, with such good data to hand, not much more came of it. Why did that discussion fizzle, folks? That info, plus more in the archives, and the bright brains on this list, could probably settle this question of diesels, biod and NOx now. It's already there, go to the archives and check it out, don't wait for me to do it. Best wishes Keith Hi Keith and all of the friends across the world, Are you talking about posts near #37773? Certainly good data, especially on the diesel-biodiesel-NOx issue. What I'm trying to get at more is comparing diesel and gasoline (reformulated gas, ULSD, any and all) and than on to biodiesel, svo and ethanol. I agree that with the information that has been gathered here, and some of the brightest biofuel brains in the world, we ought to be some of the most apt at completing a general biofuels comparison. With all the talk regarding emissions in this group, one would think that a chatgroup on just biofuel emissions is in order to keep the thread alive and vibrant. It kinda comes in waves in this group... fizzling out every now and again only to arise with the montly post: I heard this rumor that SVO emits more (PM) than biodiesel. And than we get into it again. Not that that is bad in any way. We are on the edge. - Dave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Some quality thoughts from George Carlin
Wonderful Message by George Carlin whose wife died recently: The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems, more medicine, but less wellness. We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little, drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom. We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often. We've learned how to make a living, but not a life. We've added years to life not life to years. We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. We conquered outer space but not inner space. We've done larger things, but not better things. We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've conquered the atom, but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less. These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days of two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. These are days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just hit delete. Remember, spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going to be around forever. Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your side. Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent. Remember, to say, I love you to your partner and your loved ones, but most of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep inside of you.Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will not be there any more. Give time to love, give time to speak, and give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER: Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take,but by the moments that take our breath away. If you don't send this to at least 8 peoplewho cares? -George Carlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel vs Gasoline Emissions per mi
Hi J.D. Lively, civil and more! I'd love to see or hear of any specific studies you've come across. Searching the internet yields mostly articles about how, though clean-diesel has washed away some of the dirty-diesel blues, diesel is still dirtier than gasoline. I'm not stopping there though. Most of the works cite research done by Prof. Jacobson from Stanford. (Sounds like it could be a case of having one researcher's findings spread like a rumor, giving something a bad name... like David Pimentel and ethanol production efficiency.) - Dave --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Excuse my ignorance, but I've heard something recently that I need clarification on... Biodiesel is cleaner than diesel, but is it cleaner than reformulated gasoline? (CO, NOx, PM, and HC) I'm talking tailpipe emissions only, cause full life-cycle emissions obviously shows biofuel to be cleaner. The increased fuel efficiency of diesel engines surely will throw this thing wide open to debate, so a grams per mile basis seems appropriate. There was a thread going on this earlier this month that seemed unresolved. To respond to part of that thread, I've also heard of people running E85 in their new Prius Hybrids (without conversion, they must have a high compression, maybe 13:1). Anyone have more information on this? Dave Shaw Dave, I think it has been conclusively proven that in a one to one comparison, even #2 diesel is cleaner than gasoline with respect to CO, and hydrocarbon emissions. Biodiesel removes 100% of diesels sulfur and a great deal of its soot, reducing black smoke and particulate emissions. The reformulated gas is probably cleaner in terms of NOx, almost certainly, but I'm sure you're aware of the debate on whether or not NOx is really that harmful. Of course it does cause smog in combination with sunlight, and high VOCs, but many people feel controlling VOCs is the better way to decrease smog and improve air quality. Some studies eevn suggest that smog will increase when NOx decreases unless there is a corresponding drop in VOCs. I really don't have the answers, but I still think the diesel will come out cleaner on most important measures especially with biodiesel or ULSD (like they have in Europe). On the particulate issue, that may be a problem, but some say that even gas engines release particulate matter, just a smaller finer particle. Others say that diesels are too dirty just because of the particulate emissions issue, that they can cause illness. It hasn't been proven to my satisfaction, but to others, it most certainly has. Hope it is a lively yet civil debate, J.D. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel vs Gasoline Emissions per mi
Hello, Excuse my ignorance, but I've heard something recently that I need clarification on... Biodiesel is cleaner than diesel, but is it cleaner than reformulated gasoline? (CO, NOx, PM, and HC) I'm talking tailpipe emissions only, cause full life-cycle emissions obviously shows biofuel to be cleaner. The increased fuel efficiency of diesel engines surely will throw this thing wide open to debate, so a grams per mile basis seems appropriate. There was a thread going on this earlier this month that seemed unresolved. To respond to part of that thread, I've also heard of people running E85 in their new Prius Hybrids (without conversion, they must have a high compression, maybe 13:1). Anyone have more information on this? Dave Shaw Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel vs Gasoline Emissions per mi
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP There was a thread going on this earlier this month that seemed unresolved. To respond to part of that thread, I've also heard of people running E85 in their new Prius Hybrids (without conversion, they must have a high compression, maybe 13:1). Anyone have more information on this? Dave Shaw Hi Dave, Are the Toyota Prius gasoline engines designed for E85 fuel ? I haven't heard of this but LINKs are appreciated. No links yet, it's just someone who has put E85 in their Prius and has success. Apparently GM is working on a hybrid/e85 vehicle for next year. Please let us know if you find anything out. - Dave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
Hello everyone, I'm new to this list. Has it occurred to any of you that maybe George already knew that the planes were going to hit the towers. I wonder if this is true because if you look at who gained most out the that disaster then it is undoubtedly the Bush administration. Greater control of the population, an increase in the military budget and the ability to invade a country that just happens to be strategically placed for the building of an oil pipeline. In fact Hamid Karzai, the president of Afghanistan, is a former advisor to the oil company, Unocal, which planned to build an oil and gas pipeline from the Caspian Sea region across western Afganistan to the Arabian Sea coast of Pakistan, but could not do while the Taliban were in power. And where is the evidence that Osama Bin Laden did it? I haven't seen any, just the repeated mantra 'Bin Laden did it'. 9/11 also made it virtually impossible for any country to oppose the U.S. after Bush said you're either with us or against us. This made the invasion of Iraq so much easier. And having British and US troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia is obviously very good from the view point of someone who wants to control that region. I wonder who will be next, Iran or Syria? Love, Dave. On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, at 07:02 am, William Dwyer wrote: If I were in Dubya's shoes, which are more than likely too small for me anyway, I would have said, Hey kids, I'm really sorry, but I've got to go take care of something real important, it's something that Presidents have to do from time to time. (pause for the 2nd grade whines of disappointment to subside) I'll tell you what though, I'll have my assistant, Mr. Card here, schedule your whole class to come and visit me at the White House in a couple months.Ê How's that sound? (pause for 2nd grade cheers of excitement to subside) Ok!Ê Great!Ê We'll see you then!Ê Bye now! and exit as quickly and quietly as possible.Ê How long would that take?Ê 30 seconds?Ê A minute tops.Ê When you're the Commander in Chief of the United States, The ability to think and act quickly and decicively in a crisis situation is not just a good quality, it's an essential quality.Ê One that Bush hasn't shown any evidence of possessing.Ê By the way, I wish you'd have given me your question in written form...Ê Oh, wait, you just did...Ê DUH! Will I'm not a president, but I play one online Dwyer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 12:43 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 I would certainly like to hear what you would have done in that situation. If he had jumped up and ran out of the room he would have caused panic. Of course then everyone on the left would say he showed bad form. If he made a statement right then and there, he would be speaking on almost no information. There was nothing he could do from where he was, there was nothing anyone could do. Perhaps he should have run to the local phone booth switched outfits and flown out to save the day, but aside from that, everyone was entirely helpless. Honestly, I don't think I'll be voting for Bush, but I don't think he did anything wrong before, during and the period after, 9/11. I don't think anyone would have, or could have done anything better without a seer to predict the future. My problems lie with his justifications for the Iraq war, buts thats another issue entirely. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] image.tiff image.tiff Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ð To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ð Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list
Re: [biofuel] Re: The clash of civilizations and the Great Caliphate
Eric, The reason US/UK forces invaded Iraq was so that they can take control of the middle east and eventually create a global fascist state. They are the real terrorist. George Bush comes from a family of genocidal maniacs. Kerry is related to him and is in fact part of the same group of people planning to create this global fascist state. Queen Elizabeth II is his 13th cousin and is also part of the gang of terrorists who plan to create a centralised one world government, police force, army, bank and a micro-chipped population (slaves). This is the real reason for the war on terrorism, it's a smoke screen. You create a problem, like 9-11 or Sadam and then you offer the solution which will always be to take away our freedoms and take land. For more info about this check out http://www.davidicke.com Dave On Tuesday, June 1, 2004, at 02:43 pm, Eric M. Joseph wrote: Yes jkolling, a nice pun it is!Ê But I think (I hope) that some of the reason we are over in Iraq is to suppress the terrorist activity.Ê It doesn't seem that way at times though.Ê Bush actually creates an environment for these types of things toÊ florish.Ê -If he doesn't achieve his goals, but then what are his goals.Ê The truth is that I don't think that anybody knows but him.Ê After all, he IS a politician-just like Kerry.Ê I personally don't trust any politician, and hope that when I vote it is for the lessor of two evils. And Keith, thank you for the quotes.Ê Scary; Abraham sounds like he's fanatical.Ê I don't see anything wrong with 'the Green Movement.'Ê He sounds like someone with a hidden agenda like the rest of the politicians. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] image.tiff image.tiff Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ð To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ð Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Sources of Methanol and Sodum Hydroxide in the UK
Hi list, I've been wondring about Bio Diesel for a while now, since the fuel prices went up again it's finally time to take the plunge. One, ok two, questions. Sodium Hydroxide is more commonly known as Caustic Soda in the UK, is this right? Does anyone know of a good source for Methanol in the UK. Small quantities will do for now as I'm just planning on doing test batches to start, one or two litres only till I get the hang of it. Many thanks, SB. _ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Bio Diesel
I wonder how many of us realize that Rudolph Diesel, yes the guy who invented the diesel engine, actually utilized HEMPSEED OIL as his fuel source and that it wasn't until years later that petroleum was synthesized to make a diesel fuel? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] clean diesels more dangerous --- Keith?
Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: You're pathetic, and an embarrassment to many of your fellow Americans, who do not fit the profile of the Ugly American (which you've personified) whatsoever. Showing your lack of eddicashun, I see. The Ugly American was the good guy. God Bless America. It surely needs the help, to rid itself of such attitudes as yours. Edward Beggs Funny, I was thinking much the same thing... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Williams)== == waiting, anticipating / for someone to save her soul / well, I == == ain't no new Messiah / but I'm close enough for rock and roll! == = http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/index.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush Administration Launches Misleading Hydrogen Tour - Secretary Abraham To Visit Six Cities Promoting Dirty Hydrogen Program
Bush has done this repeatedly; made committments in 'State of the Union' speeches which he has no intention of keeping. Bush may not be the brightest bulb on the tree, but his spin doctors are quick witted and cynical. Here are some examples: 10 billion for HIV/ AIDS in Africa. (Bush thinks Hmm.. that ought to shut up the social activists for a while. The fine print saying that we will only support programs which promote abstainance will appease the religious right and ensure that most of the money remains impossible to deliver. The Senate will bury it anyway.Either way Bush gets the nice guy points. Most poeple won't realize it never happened). Putting men on Mars. 360 billion or so...but who's counting ( This is gonna get all those Star Trek nerds to shut up and go back to trying to talk to aliens. Anyone who thinks that the house won't quietly scuttle this has lost 40 points of IQ by achieving a successful mind-meld with a cucumber. Bush wins political nerd points for even talking about it. Bonus points for keeping a straight face). Now, DOE to spend 1.7billion on hydrogen technology. (Bush thinks to himself, This ought to shut up those tree hugging eco-freaks. The DOE spends more on paper-clips, but a lot of soccer-moms with Greenpeace and Sierra Club bumper stickers on their 8 mpg Chevy Yukon's will breath a sigh of relief that the president is looking after the environment). Sorry if I'm ranting, but do you see a pattern? Dave rgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone can help me in explaining why Bush administration is willing to spend money on research for Hydrogen technologies instead on other natural resources such as biodiesel? I would be very interested if the explanation come from econonic or business or even technology's perspective. Hope the logic explanation is not political cause that is not logical. Have a nice day Ric G - Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Bush Administration Launches Misleading Hydrogen Tour - Secretary Abraham To Visit Six Cities Promoting Dirty Hydrogen Program Announced during the 2003 State of the Union address, the Bush Administration called on the Department of Energy to invest $1.7 billion in the research and development of hydrogen technologies, including automobiles, fuel cells, and hydrogen fuel infrastructure. However, the administration's hydrogen proposal requires industries to produce only hydrogen concept vehicles and demonstration technology. The mass production of hydrogen technologies is not mandated, and there are no detailed plans for the creation of the infrastructure, like filling stations, needed to support a hydrogen economy. Upon his election, I knew it was going to be a very bad four years for many of us who are fans of open public discourse, progressive ideas, progressive ideals, and what-not. And I asked myself if I thought my brain could survive that sort of starvation another four years. And the answer was no (are you kidding me?). And I asked myself if maybe the country could survive it, and the answer was 'maybe' or 'probably'. To me, it's the lack of discussion of important questions and answers that is the particularly damaging thing, not just the advocacy of debatable answers. Heaven forfend this man should have the word biofuel come out of his mouth. Heaven for fend 'solar' or 'wind' or 'conservation' or 'combining many efforts' or Plug-In-Hybrid-Electric-Vehicles. No. We are to listen to THE ANSWER, the 'one and only answer'. That answer of his (Hydrogen) is even damaged by his advocacy of it. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http
Re: [biofuel] Just Getting Started.
Hi John, Keith just answered this same question for me by directing me to: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html Biodiesel and your vehicle: Compatibility: -- Filters -- Timing -- Rubber Hope this helps, Regards, Dave John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I have been bitten by the bio bug and have the fever to build my first processor. I have located an electric water heater that I intend to convert into the processing unit. I have two Dodge trucks with cummins diesels. One a 1990 model and the other a 1997. Can anyone tell me if the rubber seals and gaskets etc. in the fuel systems in these vehicles will be OK?? or can I expect problems? Thanks you, John Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Does biodiesel damage rubber and plastic??
Sorry for re-posting this with a new subject line guys, but I haven't gotten any answers. I'm sure that with all the collected brainpower and experience in this group, someone can help me to answer this. I've read quite a number of things referring to deterioration of rubber and certain plastics by biodiesel. How serious is this problem really? I understand that methyl ester is a pretty good solvent. I know that methanol is a really good solvent. In Aleks Kac's Foolproof method, section on methanol recovery, he says that you can remove at least one quarter of all the methanol used. Over 50ml of methanol per litre of oil remains unreacted in solution. My questions are: 1) Is this much unreacted methanol present in the other biodiesel recipe's or is this unique to Aleks' foolproof one.? 2) Is it mainly the methanol which causes the deterioration of rubber and plastics, or is the methyl ester equally or more to blame. (will a good methanol recovery system help signifigantly to save rubber etc.?) Obviously this problem isn't critical, because plenty of you folks have driven thousands of miles on the stuff, but I'd like to understand this aspect a little better. Thanks, Dave. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Deterioration of rubber by biodiesel
I've read quite a number of things referring to deterioration of rubber and certain plastics by biodiesel. How serious is this problem really? I understand that methyl ester is a pretty good solvent. I know that methanol is a really good solvent. In Aleks Kac's Foolproof method, section on methanol recovery, he says that you can remove at least one quarter of all the methanol used. Over 50ml per litre of oil. My questions are: 1) Is this much unreacted methanol present in the other biodiesel recipe's or is this unique to Aleks' foolproof one.? 2) Is it mainly the methanol which causes the deterioration, or is the methyl ester equally or more to blame. (will a good methanol recovery system help signifigantly to save rubber etc.?) Obviously this problem isn't critical, because plenty of you folks are driving on the stuff, but I'd like to understand this aspect a little better. Thanks, Dave. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Why is my Diesel Overspeeding?
Peter, In my reply to Stan I said: Another common way for an engine to overspeed using it's crankcase oil is via seals in the turbo or blower. Common is the wrong word. It is in fact very uncommon. Also, your point about getting well clear of an engine in a run-away condition is good too. I think we'll all be interested to read what Fred discovers. Richmond, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave, I disagree with Turbo seals causing an engine to run on its own oil. Turbo seals are not a total seal to begin with and pressure at the seal is next to nil as the return pipe to the engine is so large any oil pressure is lost at the bearing. Oil blockage is the only possibility that would cause oil to be forced past those seals. The most likely cause of engine runaway is blow by past the pistons or major crankcase fuming being directed back into the intake. Use good oil and regular oil changes from the beginning to prevent oil galleries from getting blocked. And never try to interrupt the air to the engine in a run away situation. Stall it or dive for cover before it detonates. PeterR -Original Message- From: Dave Donnelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 18 March 2004 9:23 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Why is my Diesel Overspeeding? You're right Stan. Another common way for an engine to overspeed using it's crankcase oil is via seals in the turbo or blower. If an these seals fail completely and the engine runs away, the only way to stop it before it destroys itself completely is to stop the air supply, ie: shove a raincoat in the air intake. (don't use plastic bags or anything that will shred because the blower will eat them making a serious mess). Some engines are fitted with a damper on the air intake for this purpose. The fact that Fred's engine responds to the fuel shutoff suggests to me that the problem is more likely fuel pump or injectors, but if he's burning vast amounts of lube oil, it could be rings or turbo seals. Dave. Stanley Baer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard that if the conditions of the rings are bad enough, the blowby which is vented to the intake can bring in enough oil vapours from the engine oil to cause the engine to race even though no fuel is being delivered by the injectors. stan Dave Donnelly wrote: fred M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 1982 Datsun(Nissan) SD22 engine in a 720 truck that I have run for 7500 miles on B-100 here in Florida. Recently the engine is trying to overspeed and won't rev down. Does this engine have seals that can be hurt by B-100? The only way to slow down the engine is to pull the manual fuel cutoff till the engine almost stalls. Can anyone tell me what is going on with my engine? Fred Mars Fred, The fact that the manual fuel shutoff is able to bring the over-revving situation under control suggests to me that it is a problem with your fuel pump, associated linkages or injectors. 1) Check the linkages first and ensure that the throttle is not binding and is moving smoothly all the way back to the idle adjustment screw. 2) If no defect is found, you may need to pull your injectors and get them tested and possibly rebuilt at a diesel shop. Worn out or broken injectors often result in too much fuel being delivered, (the first symptoms of failing injectors is usually black smoke and rough idle). 3) If neither of these is the case, it may be your fuel pump, but I'm a little doubtful of that. Most fuel pumps that I've dealt with deliver too little fuel when they fail. It is however an unfortunate possibility. There are other reasons why diesels overspeed but they don't leap to mind based on your description. Now the obligatory disclaimers: I am a marine engineer, not a diesel or automotive mechanic. I do not know anything about your specific machine or it's fuel pump. My comments are general knowledge of diesel engines only. I have never put a wrench on a Nissan diesel. My thoughts or opinions may be worth exactly what you paid for them. ($0.00) Hope this helps, Dave Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups
Re: [biofuel] Why is my Diesel Overspeeding?
You're right Stan. Another common way for an engine to overspeed using it's crankcase oil is via seals in the turbo or blower. If an these seals fail completely and the engine runs away, the only way to stop it before it destroys itself completely is to stop the air supply, ie: shove a raincoat in the air intake. (don't use plastic bags or anything that will shred because the blower will eat them making a serious mess). Some engines are fitted with a damper on the air intake for this purpose. The fact that Fred's engine responds to the fuel shutoff suggests to me that the problem is more likely fuel pump or injectors, but if he's burning vast amounts of lube oil, it could be rings or turbo seals. Dave. Stanley Baer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard that if the conditions of the rings are bad enough, the blowby which is vented to the intake can bring in enough oil vapours from the engine oil to cause the engine to race even though no fuel is being delivered by the injectors. stan Dave Donnelly wrote: fred M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 1982 Datsun(Nissan) SD22 engine in a 720 truck that I have run for 7500 miles on B-100 here in Florida. Recently the engine is trying to overspeed and won't rev down. Does this engine have seals that can be hurt by B-100? The only way to slow down the engine is to pull the manual fuel cutoff till the engine almost stalls. Can anyone tell me what is going on with my engine? Fred Mars Fred, The fact that the manual fuel shutoff is able to bring the over-revving situation under control suggests to me that it is a problem with your fuel pump, associated linkages or injectors. 1) Check the linkages first and ensure that the throttle is not binding and is moving smoothly all the way back to the idle adjustment screw. 2) If no defect is found, you may need to pull your injectors and get them tested and possibly rebuilt at a diesel shop. Worn out or broken injectors often result in too much fuel being delivered, (the first symptoms of failing injectors is usually black smoke and rough idle). 3) If neither of these is the case, it may be your fuel pump, but I'm a little doubtful of that. Most fuel pumps that I've dealt with deliver too little fuel when they fail. It is however an unfortunate possibility. There are other reasons why diesels overspeed but they don't leap to mind based on your description. Now the obligatory disclaimers: I am a marine engineer, not a diesel or automotive mechanic. I do not know anything about your specific machine or it's fuel pump. My comments are general knowledge of diesel engines only. I have never put a wrench on a Nissan diesel. My thoughts or opinions may be worth exactly what you paid for them. ($0.00) Hope this helps, Dave Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Nitromethane fuel question
Alan Petrillo wrote: Nitromethane is an explosive. It can also be used as monopropellant rocket fuel. As one guy put it You can put your cigarette out in it, but if you hit it with a hammer it'll explode. Top fuelers mix it with methanol to dilute it down to their desired power level according to atmospheric conditions. Um, no. It is a monopropellant, but it's not in any way explosive, though it is, of course, quite flammable. Nitromethane burns more slowly than gasoline/air mixtures, so accelerants are often blended in to adjust the shape of the pressure curve during combustion. Acceleration in normal combustion is most easily done by adding hydrogen. A convenience and available form of hydrogen is hydrazine, which acclerates things quite nicely. However, it doesn't take much to accelerate combustion until you get detonation, at which point you're headed for engine failure. There are various standard references; *the* reference is Combustion by Glassman. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Williams)== == waiting, anticipating / for someone to save her soul / well, I == == ain't no new Messiah / but I'm close enough for rock and roll! == = http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/index.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Why is my Diesel Overspeeding?
fred M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 1982 Datsun(Nissan) SD22 engine in a 720 truck that I have run for 7500 miles on B-100 here in Florida. Recently the engine is trying to overspeed and won't rev down. Does this engine have seals that can be hurt by B-100? The only way to slow down the engine is to pull the manual fuel cutoff till the engine almost stalls. Can anyone tell me what is going on with my engine? Fred Mars Fred, The fact that the manual fuel shutoff is able to bring the over-revving situation under control suggests to me that it is a problem with your fuel pump, associated linkages or injectors. 1) Check the linkages first and ensure that the throttle is not binding and is moving smoothly all the way back to the idle adjustment screw. 2) If no defect is found, you may need to pull your injectors and get them tested and possibly rebuilt at a diesel shop. Worn out or broken injectors often result in too much fuel being delivered, (the first symptoms of failing injectors is usually black smoke and rough idle). 3) If neither of these is the case, it may be your fuel pump, but I'm a little doubtful of that. Most fuel pumps that I've dealt with deliver too little fuel when they fail. It is however an unfortunate possibility. There are other reasons why diesels overspeed but they don't leap to mind based on your description. Now the obligatory disclaimers: I am a marine engineer, not a diesel or automotive mechanic. I do not know anything about your specific machine or it's fuel pump. My comments are general knowledge of diesel engines only. I have never put a wrench on a Nissan diesel. My thoughts or opinions may be worth exactly what you paid for them. ($0.00) Hope this helps, Dave Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Electricity storage solutions.
Monday, March 15/04 murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the issue of efficiency in converting from AC to DC and then back to AC? Each of these conversion actions may have consequences in terms of lost energy, but I haven't yet figured out the losses. This has come up for me recently, so it's on my mind. According to an Inverter comparison chart, supplied by West Marine Co. Maximum efficiency of the inverters they list range from 88% to 94%. All of the products that they list appear to be made by Xantrex, (Heart Interface, Trace Engineering and Statpower are all now owned by Xantrex making them probably the biggest manufacture of inverters). Many of these products have built in battery chargers. I don't know if the efficiency of the charging circuit is equal to that of the inverting circuit. I don't have efficiency data on chargers. If we assume that a good charger will deliver about 90% efficiency on the conversion from 120 VAC to DC, and a good inverter will deliver about 90% back to AC, you can expect to lose about 20% in conversion. I hope this helps put you in the ballpark regarding efficiency. Best of luck, Dave Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Griffin Industries Biodiesel
Alan Petrillo wrote: One of my trucks is sick, possibly fuel related, and both of them blow big white clouds on startup, and have experienced hard starting since I got my last batch of B100. Those are typical symptoms of a blown head gasket. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Williams)== == waiting, anticipating / for someone to save her soul / well, I == == ain't no new Messiah / but I'm close enough for rock and roll! == = http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/index.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] vitrious encapsulated spent nuculer fuel pellets
bob allen wrote: lets see, first you crack open a few balls, dissolve the mixed metal/oxide fuel in nitric acid, carefully extract the plutonium salts, etc, etc, and viola, an atomic bomb. Just what we need, more atomic bomb material available to all. Wrong kind of metal for that, unfortunately. Though still quite toxic. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Williams)== == waiting, anticipating / for someone to save her soul / well, I == == ain't no new Messiah / but I'm close enough for rock and roll! == = http://www.bacomatic.org/~dw/index.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
