http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6237349/
STOCKHOLM, Sweden - Former chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix said on
Wednesday the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq had failed tragically in its aim
of making the world a safer place and succeeded only in stimulating
terrorism.
--
Doug
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:39:44 -0700, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.raptureme.com/rap2.html
Yikes! Liberalism is at 3
Been there. Invested in it. http://www.brunching.com/rapturefinal.html
Find me about 3/4 down the page - I backed the wrong Horseman, as they
say, for
I need to offer something else. Anyone who read The Transparent
Society knows that Pericles i one of my heroes, just behind
Franklin Marshall.
Here are the first seven principles from Pericles' Funeral Oration
in which he lauds the following characteristics of the Athenian polis:
1. Our
David Brin wrote:
Is there time to remind divisive voices of both left
and right about another neglected word? Union. Ponder
our present bitterness, next time you see a map of
Red-vs Blue States, and recall the most dire
unspoken phrase of all.
Civil War.
Civil War is the logical
This happened with the Macedonian Empire after the
death of Alexander, with the Roman Empire after they
conquered the Mediterranean, with the Carolingian
Kingdom after the death of Charlemagne, etc.
Bit of a difference here:
WHen Alexander died he had no formal rules of
succession in place.
From: JDG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 02:06 PM 9/7/2004 +1000 Andrew Paul wrote:
I still want someone to tell me what Iraq has to do with terrorism,
Or 'had' to do with terrorism, as it may well have a lot to do with it
in the future. I wish people would stop saying terrorism and Iraq in
the
Damon said:
WHen Alexander died he had no formal rules of
succession in place. It was only natural for his
empire to fragment into lesser factions for all that
had a legitimate claim. Similarly, the Roman Empire
had no formal rules of succession (beyond designation
by the living emperor of
I thought that Alberto was talking about the
situation in the first
century BC before the Principate was
Ah.
(What the late Republic lacked was any way of
adequately discharging
soldiers and providing for their later civilian
lives. It's probably a
bad idea to make them dependent on
At 09:28 PM 10/13/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
Is there time to remind divisive voices of both left
and right about another neglected word? Union. Ponder
our present bitterness, next time you see a map of
Red-vs Blue States, and recall the most dire
unspoken phrase of all.
Civil War.
At least
I think the core problem is the unipolar world that
was shaped during
that time. Lacking an external enemy, the romans
started fighting each
other. Even during the Punic Wars, when Rome was the
single superpower
[all other powers were magnitudes weaker than Rome -
a situation similar
to
Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro
Some members of br military during the brazilian dictatorship
of 1964-(1980 or 1985 or 1989) had some similar plans - maybe
the source was the same. They would explode a huge gas reservoir
in Rio downtown, blame the commies, and start a pogrom to kill
them
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Alberto said:
I think the core problem is the unipolar world that was shaped
during that time. Lacking an external enemy, the romans started
fighting each other. Even during the Punic Wars, when Rome was the
single superpower [all other powers were magnitudes weaker than
Rome - a situation
--- JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At least the Red States will control the nukes this
time around! ;-)
ducking
That was genuiely funny, don't duck.
Though in the category of I feel it but can't back it
up (the category that covered nearly ALL of the
right's venom toward Clinton), I
--- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Civil War is the logical consequence of a uni-polar
world.
Ah for Clinton's day, when we worried that, maybe,
China might start getting uppity by 2020.
Alberto is right and the neocons are insane to believe
that Pax Americana will last
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
in this country are actually quite close together in
terms of their political and social views?
Yes, precisely! I write elsewhere about the fantastic
consensus to reject racism and sexism that has
transformed this country... and our progress in
Are you thinking of the revolts of Italian allies
during the Second
Punic War rather than between Romans per se? I can't
think of anything
that would pass as an inter-Roman war before the
first century BC (of
course, then there are plenty from Sulla through to
Octavian).
Ah. Rich is
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:35:07 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barcodes have '666' built right in. The two thin bars are a six and
normal barcodes have 6-some numbers-6-more numbers-6.
That's an urban legend:
http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/barcode.asp
Take a
--- Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ah. Rich is right. Did some research. The Social War
was in the 90's. I was thinking of some of the
conflicts between the Plebes and the Patricians
(which
didn't amount to armed warfare, so it would seem, or
at least not in the same vein as the
Wasn't that the time that led into the Gracci and
then
Spartacus?
I don't know exactly the fall of the dates, but yes,
they would have all been contemporaries of one
another...
Damon.
=
Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Qui
Damon said:
Memory is getting fuzzy here, but wasn't there the
Social War in the early (late?) 500's, or 400's?
No, the Social War (i.e. the war against the Italian allies [socii])
was in the early first century. It ran from 91BC to 87BC, more or less.
This was right around the time of the
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judging from the rate at which retired generals ans
admirals are stepping up to speak their minds, we
should have that bulwark on our side.
Facts, again. I believe that the ratio of senior
officers who have publicly pledged their support to
the Bush
David said:
Wasn't that the time that led into the Gracci and then
Spartacus?
The problems during the tribunates of the Gracchi were caused by social
changes brought on my the Second and Third Punic Wars and the various
wars against Hellenistic monarchies and Spanish tribes and the like in
the
Damon said:
I don't know exactly the fall of the dates, but yes,
they would have all been contemporaries of one
another...
Here are key dates:
218-201BCSecond Punic War
200-168BCVarious interminable wars against Hellenistic states
149-146BCThird Punic War
139-132BCFirst slave
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I recall, it's the /opponents/ of the moveon.org
types who
bring their opponents to a violent end.
Dave
Abraham, Martin, John Maru
The Weather Underground, the SLA, the Black
Panthers...and which party was Lincoln nominated by, again?
=
At 09:23 AM 10/14/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Not to inject facts into a fevered rant - God forbid
anyone should do that on the list - but the whole
concept of a massive red state/blue state divide is a
fictional creation of media elites.
I think a greater reason why this divide is
At 11:27 AM 10/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
Though in the category of I feel it but can't back it
up (the category that covered nearly ALL of the
right's venom toward Clinton), I seriously worry about
what W might do if he saw power slipping away.
Want to place a wager on it?
You do realize
At 11:31 AM 10/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
Civil War is the logical consequence of a uni-polar
world.
Ah for Clinton's day, when we worried that, maybe,
China might start getting uppity by 2020.
Alberto is right and the neocons are insane to believe
that Pax Americana will last forever...
At 09:46 PM 10/13/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:36:06 -0400, John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
KERRY: Well, let me tell you straight up: I've never changed my mind
about Iraq. I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat. I always believed
he was a threat.
Don't worry, Republicans will accept the results of
the election, even if
we do feel that it leads inevitably towards
surrender in the war on terrorism.
Well, speaking as the other side, if Bush wins I feel
that it will be another 4 years of bungled attempts to
fight the War on Terrorism. So
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 11:27 AM 10/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
Though in the category of I feel it but can't back
it
up (the category that covered nearly ALL of the
right's venom toward Clinton), I seriously worry
about
what W might do if he saw power slipping
Richard Baker wrote:
I thought that Alberto was talking about the situation in the first
century BC before the Principate was formed (the conquest of the
Mediterranean being essentially complete by the time Octavian became
Augustus).
Yes and No.
I was _including_ that time period and the
The Roman Empire lasted for what, 500 years minimum?
America just got
going really since 1945. Moreover, even the best
estimates for China
don't have them overtaking us for at least 50-100
years, minimum. It
looks to me like we have plenty of time to shape the
world of our future.
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:21:34 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judging from the rate at which retired generals ans
admirals are stepping up to speak their minds, we
should have that bulwark on our side.
Facts, again. I believe
After a number of days without digests (or administrative messages), I
seem to have finally uncorked the bottle and they've begun flowing
again. Looks like they are all there, just stuck somewhere in the system.
It seems that there are messages that are able to clog up Mailman's
internals.
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Despite the fact that the pace of world events is
dizzyingly faster than in Roman times, and meetings
between EU-Russia-China would easily craft a
formidable multipolar rival, that we seem bent on
pushing into being.
This is absurd. I can just imagine
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's the main reason for that, do you think,
Gautam? Kerry's
post-Vietnam anti-war activities? The Swift-boat
stuff? Of the few
vets I know, none seem to care as much as I would
have thought about
the Vietnam-era stuff. Or is it just distrust of
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is absurd. I can just imagine the Russians -
who
think the largest long-term threat to their security
is the Chinese
This is coldwar thinking. Not 21st Century thinking.
We do not have to face an equal number of nuclear
weapons in order
--- Gautam's rationalizations below are sad.
Since a security guard is likely a republican, his
rationalizations are similar to the Swift Boaters for
truth.
I prefer looking at Kerry's comrades in arms, EVERY
SINGLE ONE OF WHICH stepped forward to be with him,
expressing admiration and
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is coldwar thinking. Not 21st Century
thinking.
No, it's _knowledgeable_ thinking. It's thinking,
period, actually.
For you to ignore the incredibly profitable and cozy
arms relationship between Russia and China right
now,
by the way, is
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judging from the rate at which retired generals ans
admirals are stepping up to speak their minds, we
should have that bulwark on our side.
Facts, again. I believe that the ratio of senior
officers who have publicly pledged
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Gautam's rationalizations below are sad.
Since a security guard is likely a republican, his
rationalizations are similar to the Swift Boaters
for
truth.
What's perhaps more sad is that you feel free to talk
like this when you don't even read
What's perhaps more sad is that you feel free to
talk
like this when you don't even read posts. What part
of registered Democrat didn't you understand? And
I
_love_ the sort of thinking that leads you to a
security guard is likely a Republican, by the way.
Same back at you. I regret
Have to throw in with Gautam on this. Last report I
read said China has bought a total of 78 Su-27s that
are currently in-service, a multi-year buy. Just 78.
Compare that to the number of F-15s the US has
(educated guess: 1500). Hardly a vast or overhwelming
number. So small, in fact, that the
At 02:10 PM 10/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
Today, relations with India (and Pakistan) are
stronger than ever.
Thanks to Bill Clinton
What's next from you Dr. Brin - that Bill Clinton wrote the Declaration of
Independence?
When the Bush Administration came into office, their central
At 05:07 PM 10/11/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
Typically meaningless - Clinton had by far the highest percentage of
vote of the candidates. Clinton governed centrist,
One thing I love about liberals is their modesty.Apparently propsing a
government take-over of the national health care
At 02:06 PM 10/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
Don't worry, Republicans will accept the results of
the election, even if
we do feel that it leads inevitably towards
surrender in the war on terrorism.
Since it is now proved that the VASTLY SUCCESSFUL
AFGHANISTAN INTERVENTION - the one that was
At 02:36 PM 10/11/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 01:46 PM 10/11/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
And the point is,a higher percentage of Americans
were happy with the
outcome of the 2000 elections than the 1992
elections.
Typically and
Why do you tempt me in?
BC was imperfect. His relentless efforts to find
middle ground with neocons and end the divisiveness
were ended too soon. He wasted the same charm on ugly
interns.
But to ignore BC's efforts in India is especially
loony. They were huge and masterful.
And I will not
At 01:12 PM 10/11/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
W ENTERED OFFICE WITH A CLEAR MAJORITY HAVING VOTED
AGAINST HIS PROGRAM. Yet, he proceeded NOT to reach
out, but to declare a MANDATE. Never ever meeting
with opponents.
This is a lie. Bush very famously had Ted Kennedy over to watch a movie
and
At 08:07 PM 10/11/2004 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Kerry, of course, meant by global test that America must not just
lay out its causes, but that we must get some form of international
approval - beyond the approval of getting at least 21 out of 30 formal US
Allies to support the Iraq
JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 01:12 PM 10/11/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
W ENTERED OFFICE WITH A CLEAR MAJORITY HAVING VOTED
AGAINST HIS PROGRAM. Yet, he proceeded NOT to reach
out, but to declare a MANDATE. Never ever meeting
with opponents.
This is a lie. Bush very famously had Ted Kennedy
David,
Why do you tempt me in?
A bit too Get thee behind me, Satan for my tastes :-).
And I will not look lower down. You and I are done
for now, John. Thrive. Enjoy the cult. If they win,
I may someday badly need friends who had supported
them, so I apologize for anything you found offensive.
Dr. Brin,
I'm not sure if you're still interested in finding a BASIC interpreter, but
I thought I'd mention that I came across one I wasn't familiar with called
BBC Basic, a demo version of which is on one of the CD-ROMs attached to
the cover of the October 2004 issue of _PC Pro_ magazine. I
On Oct 14, 2004, at 4:03 PM, JDG wrote:
At 05:07 PM 10/11/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
Typically meaningless - Clinton had by far the highest percentage of
vote of the candidates. Clinton governed centrist,
One thing I love about liberals is their modesty.Apparently
propsing a
government
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
_love_ the sort of thinking that leads you to a
security guard is likely a Republican, by the way.
OopsssI screwed up the editing here. Dr. Brin did
_not_ say the above that's in quotes. Damnit. I
should have reread more carefully before I
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds like you're afraid you'll be one of the first
up against the wall in that event.
I have lived my life as a contrarian, peoud to engage
everybody I meet, over any conceivable issue - exactly
opposite to W's proud isolation. I know that any
other
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure if you're still interested in finding a
BASIC interpreter,
Dave helped me solve the immediate problem with the
delightful Chipmunk Basic which, on a Mac, simply and
charmingly works. It clearly will fall down when I
later get to more
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In any event, for the record, I deeply apologize to
Gautam and John. I kiss the toes. I beg to be
considered for probation in their basements, when
the
roundups begin.
See, Dr. Brin, here's the problem. As far as I am
aware, there is exactly one
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Oct 14, 2004, at 4:03 PM, JDG wrote:
At 05:07 PM 10/11/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote:
Typically meaningless - Clinton had by far the
highest percentage of
vote of the candidates. Clinton governed
centrist,
One thing I love about liberals
--- Gautam
In that case, I will simply cut my losses and stop
irritating you, Gautam. I hope it will make you feel
slightly better that here, in NON-battleground
California, I am thinking about voting Libertarian! I
will certainly do so for several lower offices.
Only the Gore Effect stops
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hm...Wes Clark... potential SoD you
think?
xponent
Too Early For Appointment Strategy Maru
rob
God help us, I hope not. I can't imagine a plausible
worse choice. Plus, while I don't think Kerry's that
bright, he's not dumb
David Brin wrote:
I am now ending this. My life does not need shrill
shouting matches and name-calling with Gautam and
John. While they are smart guys, the chances of
wither side budging the other are nill. I respect
them more than they probably think I do, but I no not
have dittos and spare
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While I think that's what you're asking others to
do, David, I find that
it works better for me to give myself those
reminders, rather than
others. And yet this posting itself could easily be
construed as such
advice... and it probably is,
David Brin wrote:
Nick. Wisdom. My viscera are not as wise as my
philosophy. I regret allowing them to reach up and
control my mouth (or typing fingers.)
Happens to all of us, especially when we find that we can earn a living
with strong points of view!
I was tested on this quite recently,
At 05:31 PM 10/14/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Now let's just all pray that Pete Peterson gets
Treasury.
Ahem. I'll be praying for Snow to get Treasury ;-)
JDG - O.k., not necessarily Snow, but just as long as the President is
re-elected... ;-)
Chickens before they've hatched,
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 05:31:31PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
be but won't be is Franklin Raines. He's got caught in the Fannie Mae
scandal, though. It's a real pity.
Yeah, well, I'd say he's partly responsible for the huge taxpayer
swindle that Fannie Mae continues to run. There is no way
In a message dated 10/14/2004 7:17:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
O.k. Bob, but if your interpretation of what Kerry said is more accurate -
then what do you believe would be required to pass this global test just
as John Kerry said.
After all, this most recent war
From: Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:35:07 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Barcodes have '666' built right in. The two thin bars are a six
and
normal barcodes have 6-some numbers-6-more numbers-6.
That's an urban legend:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 10/14/2004 7:17:33 PM Eastern
Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
O.k. Bob, but if your interpretation of what Kerry
said is more accurate -
then what do you believe would be required to pass
this global test ...
SImple.
Start
Some interesting world statistics updated in real time
http://www.worldometers.info/
caveats from the page creator
. The data is somehow correct for 2003-2004 years
. Requires JavaScript enabled
. Site loves fast computers
. Site uses your computer's clock, so if you are curious
John Horn asked:
Some members of br military during the brazilian dictatorship
of 1964-(1980 or 1985 or 1989) had some similar plans - maybe
the source was the same. They would explode a huge gas reservoir
in Rio downtown, blame the commies, and start a pogrom to kill
them all.
The plan
- Original Message -
From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Brin: W and the apocalypts
You need to read my comment in the context of my other post on The Great
Divide.
The difference between the
- Original Message -
From: David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Brin: W and the apocalypts
You riff about Russia was both pompous and ridiculous.
I have as many contacts as you do, including
JDG wrote:
At 01:12 PM 10/11/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
W ENTERED OFFICE WITH A CLEAR MAJORITY HAVING VOTED
AGAINST HIS PROGRAM. Yet, he proceeded NOT to reach
out, but to declare a MANDATE. Never ever meeting
with opponents.
This is a lie. Bush very famously had Ted Kennedy over
And why is it that the first Gulf War, with a
gold-plated UN Security
Council endorsement and a vast coalition did not
pass this global test?
False distraction. If Kerry opposed the 91 campaign,
I have yet to see evidence for that. In any event, if
he did, that is but one strike against
--- Julia
Whatever else may have happened *since* Bush took
office as President,
he went in wanting to act without partisanship.
This is a subjective impression and I am glad you show
such optimistic interpretations. I saw nothing but
bellicosity from day one. Starting with appointing
On 14 Oct 2004, at 11:47 pm, JDG wrote:
Would you like to place a wager on which nation will be a closer US
ally in
20 years, Iraq or Vietnam?
That would be Vietnam. Practical people.
--
William T Goodall
Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk
Blog :
The Fool wrote:
From: Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:35:07 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Barcodes have '666' built right in. The two thin bars are a six
and
normal barcodes have 6-some numbers-6-more numbers-6.
That's an urban
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
False distraction. If Kerry opposed the 91
campaign,
I have yet to see evidence for that. In any event,
if
he did, that is but one strike against him. I'll
take
note. It brings his list up to W's toes.
He absolutely did oppose it - he voted
At 08:06 PM 10/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
Starting with appointing
enemies of renwable energy in charge of RE programs,
enemies of conservation in charge of conservation
programs, loggers in charge of forest protection...
and a hundred other examples.
I presume that you are referring to that
This is a valid and interesting criticism of Kerry.
I confess, that his standing as a mainstream DLC
democrat has made me lazy about scrutinizing him very
closely. His overall values and intelligence and
willingness to bring a pan-spectrum coalition of DC
professionals to replace the monstrous
John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 08:06 PM 10/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
Starting with appointing
enemies of renwable energy in charge of RE programs,
enemies of conservation in charge of conservation
programs, loggers in charge of forest protection...
and a hundred other examples.
I
- Original Message -
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: br!n: My big salvo
John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 08:06 PM 10/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote:
Starting with appointing
--- David Brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a valid and interesting criticism of Kerry.
I appreciate your saying that, Dr. Brin. This is
actually helping me think through my own decision.
Here, perhaps is where we disagree (and please,
correct me if I'm misinterpreting you - I'm trying to
John wrote:
So, do you think Kerry wants to threaten the use of force against Iran?
You are a true Bush acolyte, John. Take the words of your opponent out of
context to make him sound like a flip flopper, and then change the subject
when your artifice is exposed.
As far as threats go, no
You are trying to be fair, Gautam. Alas, I cannot
accept your dichotomy for many reasons.
It is simply absurd to call this about enslaving our
foreign policy to others. Under Clinton we were
leaders of the planet. We were assertive. We did it
naively/badly in Somalia. Then we did it with
Gautam wrote:
This is absurd. I can just imagine the Russians - who
think the largest long-term threat to their security
is the Chinese - the Chinese, who are dependent on a
$150BB trade surplus with the US - and the EU, which
is over any significant period of time going to be
absorbed by its
John wrote:
The difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party is
this - the Republicans overwhelming believe in the merits of the Iraq
War, and the Iraq War would never have happened under the Democrats.
If you
believe, as I do, that Iraq is the central front in the War on
Gautam wrote:
Facts, again. I believe that the ratio of senior
officers who have publicly pledged their support to
the Bush Administration to that supporting Kerry is
well over 2:1. Kerry is very, very, very unpopular in
the military, to put it mildly.
I'll bet Bush is very unpopular with the
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool wrote:
From: Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:35:07 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Barcodes have '666' built right in. The two thin bars are a
six
and
normal barcodes have 6-some
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll bet Bush is very unpopular with the enlisted
men and women.
Extending their enlistments is perhaps the single
best way to alienate
them and degrade moral.
--
Doug
To the extent that we have evidence (not much, but
some) this does not
Gautam wrote:
unlike you or anyone
else on this list, I did that knowing there's a good
chance there could be adverse professional
consequences for me for saying something like that in
public.
I wouldn't be so sure about that, my friend.
--
Doug
___
My God. Have you no memory or sense of irony about
how your words sound like Vietnam 1966, 1967, 1968,
1969
Yes, David. But you snipped the rest of what I said.
And the rest, was my point.
Damon.
=
Damon Agretto
[EMAIL
Alberto,
John Horn asked:
Some members of br military during the brazilian dictatorship
of 1964-(1980 or 1985 or 1989) had some similar plans - maybe
the source was the same. They would explode a huge gas reservoir
in Rio downtown, blame the commies, and start a pogrom to kill
them all.
The plan
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I must differ with you on this, Doug. Gautam is
showing his intellectual
honesty and willingness to speak the truth as he
sees it, no matter how
inconvenient that is. That certainly hurts his
chances at a career in
politicseven though it is a
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wouldn't be so sure about that, my friend.
--
Doug
Unless you're thinking about a career in politics,
Doug, I find it hard to imagine that someone will be
looking at the archives of what you say on the list.
Now if you _are_, of course, that's
Dan wrote:
I must differ with you on this, Doug. Gautam is showing his intellectual
honesty and willingness to speak the truth as he sees it, no matter how
inconvenient that is. That certainly hurts his chances at a career in
politicseven though it is a virtue. :-)
I wasn't doubting his
JDG wrote:
Today, relations with India (and Pakistan) are
stronger than ever.
Thanks to Bill Clinton
What's next from you Dr. Brin - that Bill Clinton wrote the
Declaration of Independence?
*g*
For what it's worth, the Indian perspective is the same as Dr. Brin's.
Clinton was the one
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