[Biofuel] Problems with the Biofuel list
I would like to apologize for the technical problems that have occured with regard to the biofuel list and the JtF website over the past 2 years, and the associated consequences that took place as a result. They are all my fault, however; I would like to say that I did what I could with what I had at my disposal (as much as that may be a cop-out). If Keith would like to move his services to another facility I would invite him to respond publicly and let everyone know. I would not mind continuing to host the services as I have, due to the generous donations the server has indeed been upgraded, despite the rocky road everyone travelled to get to this point. I would also invite everyone to continue their discussions as I feel personally responsible for the decline in useful discussions. I felt that I would be doing the Biofuel list community a favor by hosting it on an alternative location rather than Yahoo site, but I suppose it is once again not working well. I have undone all of the hard work that Keith has put into the list trying to make it sustainable. This message is a result of the recent technical deficiencies that have occured as a result of my inability to effectively move all of the web services from one server to another. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel available in NY City
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:54:47 -0500, Busyditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list members I just got a reply from a local manufacturer of Biodiesel in the NY metropolitan area. They are called Environmental Alternatives, and theyre located in Brooklyn, NY. I was hoping to buy in 55 gal drums, as I do have a secure yard to store them in and all I will need is a drum pump. At the price quoted, I will surely be able to afford to end my dependency on fossil fuels. Here is the quote from the email we sell B100 in 55 gal drums at $2.50 a gallon + freight... Bob Lindenbaum Director of Probabilities That sounds great, considering the price of dino-diesel is very close. It couldn't hurt to check the quality though: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality -- Martin Klingensmith wwia.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] server maintenance
Due to upgrades, the mailing lists, websites, and IRC may not be available for a short time. I will send another message when everything is working correctly. -- Martin Klingensmith wwia.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] testing
___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
I used Perlite mixed with refractory cement in my aluminum casting furnace. The walls saw temperatures surpassing 2000F, it was working well. The mixture was 50/50, and the perlite is very light-weight, reducing the overall mass of the structure. -- Martin K Keith Addison wrote: Hi Doug Nothing to do with soap, but do you know about this? http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodstove-allen.html Rice-husk stoves - Appropriate technology: Journey to Forever This stuff is great! We're using it to build charcoal-burning stoves, it's an excellent insulator. Have a look at this picture: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/rhahand2.jpg Those coals are really hot! Reduced strength, as you say, but we find that a mix of 1:3 up to 1:1 cement to rice husk ash by weight is pretty strong, and since the RHA is much lighter than the cement, in fact you don't use a lot of cement. It's a bit like pumice or something. Doesn't weigh very much. The rice husk burner works very well, but if you want to put it in a 55-gal/200 litre oil drum, as we did, you'll have to make the cage slightly smaller. Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I found with a home made processor From my search on the web, protein hydrolisation seems to be the soap/additive that is used for making the foam. I have not found any more info on how this is made though. Can anyone help me?? regards Doug (I am interested in making tilt up concrete panels for a building.) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
Your message consisted of a single '?' character, and the entire reply (up to 12 replies deep) is 23KB. This means your signal to noise ratio was 1/23000, or about .004% useful information. -- Martin K Andrew Cunningham wrote: ? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Donations and down-time
Running a web and email server is a tough business because it has to run all the time (every day, every night ...) The server running the Journey to Forever website, wwia.org, and the Biofuel mailing list froze at about 8PM Saturday night (EST, my time). I found out at about midnight, and worked (unsuccessfully) until 2:30 to reboot the machine via an interface I have been trying to setup. I got someone on the phone at about 1PM today (Sunday) to reboot the machine. As you can tell, it is working now. Sorry for the down-time. The server this runs on wouldn't be considered a server by people who know what a server is, which brings me to the subject of donations. I have received about $290 in donations which covers the cost of new hard drives and a RAID controller for the server. (Not installed yet) I have purchased (with help from Keith) a Soekris Engineering router device, as well as new RAM for the machine. The RAM has increased the stability a great amount. Future improvements would include a new mainboard, processor(s), and power supply. I don't foresee these happening any time soon though. I would like to express my thanks to the people who donated money. I would also like to let you know that I would have no problem paying for all of the hardware myself if I was able to do so. My status is that I am a Jr in school for an electrical engineering degree. So what else is going on to make this thing work better? Mel Riser has pledged to provide services via his business (webcrayon.com, check it out) to mirror the website and hopefully the mailing list as well. It is safe to say that his server is much more worthy of being called a server. Malcolm Maclure has pledged to get another mirror through his son in-law (correct?) Michael, who runs catch22hosting.com (virtual servers) Thanks again to everyone who donated, I believe it is a great cause even though it isn't as tangible as a charity (that's a philosophical discussion in itself). -- Martin Klingensmith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines
-- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Greg Harbican wrote: Don't want to rain on your parade, but, perpetual motion machines don't exist. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 13:32 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wind Turbines While all these serious scientists are at work, the imagineering too tyempting to pass up. We now have a solar-powered non-piloted airplane which can stay aloft indefinitely. Imagine aircraft like this with wind turbines built it and rugged enough to stay aloft in the jet stream and follow its change in course as well. POC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] question regarding gas fired water heaters?
Hi Buck, Ray, Mike and all its galsss and beat the heack out of it wiaht something like a piece of rebar, and why woulddd you want to take it out, as its inert, buck, its same makeup as old ceramic cookkkpot, glasss over steel, any denting poppps the glass o but why would u buck, Because it's going to get real hot! I'd say leave the glass there. If it gets hot enough to slump, it will slump and separate, but it shouldn't cause any harm if it does so. -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Hydrogen Car Discussion on NPR - what about bio?
Patrick Campbell wrote: On Fri, 14 Jan 2005, Phillip Wolfe wrote: Join Ira and guests in this hour of Science Friday for a look at environmentally friendly cars. Will a hydrogen concept car unveiled this week ever hit the showroom? Plus, the latest on the Huygens space probe, headed toward Saturn's moon Titan... http://www.sciencefriday.com/index.html Ever notice that on NPR there is ALL talk about hybrid and even hyrodgen but NEVER talk about biodiesel? Send them email and ask them why. I think it is because everyone knows about hybrids and everyone knows about hydrogen. Not everyone knows about biodiesel or what is being done with it. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Collapse was The Scent of Fear
I let Brian's topic cop message through so I could point out that it is not up to third parties to be the moderator. Please read this message: -- Date: 2004-02-26 From: Keith Addison Subject: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE -- Discussion on this list is free and OPEN. Biofuels is a broad-ranging subject. It's an international list with a very diverse membership from many different cultures and more than a hundred countries, and their views of what is on- or off-topic vary widely. This is the majority view here. Those who call for restrictions are a tiny minority - if we did it their way the majority would be deprived. Keeping the discussions open deprives nobody and prevents nothing - directly on-topic biofuels discussions continue unhindered all the while. If people have problems with clogged email inboxes, they should learn how to use filters - essential to using any email lists, not just this one. For more info see: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/21700/ Some posts are definitely off-topic by any measure, but those posting them know it and seldom stray too far. List members are mature people and do not need nannying by topic-cops. Anyway, such digressions often lead to discussion that's very much on-topic and would not otherwise have arisen. So: NO TOPIC-COPS. NO CALLS FOR RESTRICTED DISCUSSION. These are list rules and they will be enforced. Finally, regarding the two links at the bottom of every message you receive, these: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The first is the premier source of small-scale biofuels information on the Web. The second is a treasure house of information on all aspects of biofuels, especially biodiesel - it contains 33,000 messages over the last for years, many of them from leaders in the field worldwide. It is an independent archives, not Yahoo's, provided and maintained by list member Martin Klingensmith, with powerful, fast and efficient searching, and no ads. If you have biofuels questions, go ahead and ask, if there's something you want to discuss, nothing's stopping you, if you have information to offer please do so. Best wishes Keith Addison List owner --- Phillip Wolfe wrote: Good points...my apologies submitted. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux box
I had to work down at RobotGroup today as we are having to move out of our warehouse and had to move the Robot Brain and all the racks. http://www.robotgroup.org http://www.robotgroup.net So I didn't get everything done I wanted to. But will let you know tomorrow or the next day when the box is up. Sorry it is taking a little longer. mel That's ok Mel, it doesn't bother me if it doesn't bother you that the email went to the list. Besides, the robot stuff is pretty interesting to look at. And Richard Stallman came to visit, that's pretty cool. Don't worry about getting it running immediately, if other things are more important that's ok. For those of you who have no idea what we're talking about, Mel is helping out Journey to Forever by setting up a server to mirror the web site. Thanks Mel! -- Martin K http://wwia.org/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] test
___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Windows warning
that was a smart move by Bill. The Redhat distro is OK but the SUSE distro has passed them. I haven't used either in a long time though I would like to try SuSe again. If you are wanting security, the BSD varients are the most secure. I just installed FreeBSD on an old HD on my desktop machine so I can stay current with it. I agree that FreeBSD is more secure than Linux. (OpenBSD probably being the best?) but who wants to surf and do word processing on a server platform? I run Slackware 95% of the time on my desktop machine, though I must admit I don't do a lot of word processing the real problem is OS freaks want to turn their OS into a religion. Use the right tool for the job, as you say. when the techno nerds quit hatin' the devil and lovin' god, they started worshippin' linus and hating Bill. mel You lost me, Mel :) -- Martin Klingensmith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Silent Night, Deadly Night
Not only did our state department refuse extradition of Warren Anderson they put an enormous amount of political pressure on India to drop its suit and investigation. Ken Did you expect anything better? -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Supply List
Eric Wendy wrote: Hi Everyone! Thanks to those who replied to my last e-mail. I appreciate the encouragement! Ive heard some rumors about the upcoming winter in the Northeasta huge blizzard and black outs. I was wondering if someone could suggest the items I might need to stock up on just in case we are snowed in for a week. Where does one get a back up generator? Is that used for electrical appliances? I know that its really common sense items like toilet paper, food, water, candles, batteries with flashlights, extra bottle of prescription medicines. But what happens when you cant heat your house or you have no electricity? How do you protect your pipes from exploding? Thanks! Wendy Adams Harrisburg, PA Hi Wendy, You live in Harrisburg I take it? You aren't going to get snowed in for a week, but it can't hurt to have things around that you need. A generator is indeed used for electrical appliances such as the blower motors on gas/oil furnaces (You don't have electric heat I hope!) If you have electric heat you should replace it with natural gas or wood. That's not practical, I know, but you should consider getting a wood stove in the lowest level of your house. If the electricity goes out you can always burn some wood, no electricity required, no generator required, no gasoline required. If you decide to buy a generator, consider what your usage would be. What would you *have* to run if the electricity was out? A few lights, the gas/oil furnace, a radio, a freezer? Take this into consideration if sizing a generator. Most households wouldn't need more than 5kW to run whatever is required. My parents' house in northern New York ran the essentials from a 2.5kW generator without much trouble. We get blizzards and ice storms up here, and have power outages every few years. In 1994 some areas didn't have electricity for over two weeks during the winter. Winter is not bad at all in Harrisburg though, don't be frightened :) p.s. If your have any heat at all your pipes shouldn't freeze - well, if your house has any insulation. p.p.s. Where I'm from we get 200 inches of snowfall in a season. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo Folks, Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 09:31:17, you wrote: BN i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them BN as well. BN rbury PayPal has acquired a bad reputation among many and from what I understand for good reason. Also, I don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To Forever in the mail. Chalk it down to lack of sleep and health concerns at the moment. I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people posting. As in the rest of life some of us will apparently have to carry the others but it is something to which we ought to be accustomed. There have been many carrying me on and off for a long time, Keith and Martin not the least among them. It is high time we lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities. As there has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming this is OK with them so anyone wanting to contribute to this very worthy effort could just drop me an email at my own address and I would respond with my mailing address. I will also keep a list with the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and Martin so if anyone wants to check up on me they could email either Keith or Martin and would know that their donation had been properly distributed and none kept by me or misappropriated in any way. And, if it would be possible US currency would be appreciated. I believe that would be the easiest and most efficient path, but no donation would be denied. If the list is willing we can proceed. I am hoping that there are more than half a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with the truly worthy effort. It is such a small thing but with so much potential. Happy Happy, Gustl Hello Gustl, Sorry I have not replied earlier I am in the middle of 'finals season' here at the university. Finals are end of semester tests, for those who may not know. I have also been hesitant to reply because you did leave out Keith from your email. I realize both now and then that it was unintentional. We can't forget that Keith and Midori have been doing this a lot longer and have put significantly more hard labor into JtF than I have. JtF is their life! I agree with the generosity of you and the others, I would accept money only on the acceptance Keith has for the offer, and I assume the money would be split in some ratio between Keith and myself. Any money received by myself would only be put toward making the hardware running the JtF web page and the biofuel mailing list more reliable. As a lot of you probably noticed, both the web page and the list were down for quite some time over the weekend. The infoarchive (wwia.org) has not been updated recently because of the possibility of the database causing the server to crash. I will remedy this problem over the coming weekend. I sincerely appreciate anyone's generosity. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Vertical axis wind turbines Another approach to wind
automatic positioning requires controls be it a cam and a linkage or a motor and electronics. It doesn't mean an operator is on duty. Kirk --- Martin K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it has controls, I think they are positioned automatically. If this is not the case please let me know. I believe the 'controls' come down to the fact that the wind positions the flaps. There are no controls be they mechanical or electrical. -- --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] IMPORTANT NOTICE TO AOL USERS receiving BIOFUEL messages
If you DO NOT wish to be receiving messages from this list, please UNSUBSCRIBE, FOLLOWING THE DIRECTIONS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS EMAIL* or: SEND A MESSAGE TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please DO NOT report this message as JUNK MAIL to AOL as it is EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL to people who wish to be receiving messages from the biofuel list, who use AOL as their service provider. *capitalization necessary for people who refuse to read whole messages. -- --- Martin Klingensmith site administrator. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear vs coal
and all we had to do was make special suncatchers, flat pieces of silicon the most abundant mineral on the planet, which over time became all the shade structures for the plant nurseries. as more and more these roofs were applied and civilization grew, the people became energy independant and no longer needed global energy infrustructure. soon all covers that gained sunlight all day long became energy absorbtion coverings. and wars to support the oil and transportation systems became no more. and the new eden was built and a fathers temple created mel It would be nice to know if solar cells are a viable alternative considering the mass amount of energy required to purify silicon (not to mention the nasty chemicals involved) -- Martin K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Battery chargers
Keith Addison wrote: Greetings I can't find my tall black pointed hat and the wild garlic seems to be out of season, so I'm completely incapable of figuring out anything about electrickery for myself, please excuse. Those among us who're better versed in the black arts than I will no doubt find this childishly simple, but not me. Anyway, can you use a battery charger as a transformer? In other words, if I wanted to use a car windscreen wiper motor or windscreen washer pump or fuel pump or something, could I use a 12V battery charger to run it off the mains? Or would I have to use a battery and use the charger to keep the battery charged? Thanks Keith You can without issue, so long as the current required by the device does not exceed the current rating of the battery charger. If it does and you don't use the device continuously, you could attach a battery to the charger and the battery would handle the load for the time that the device is running, and the charger would charge the battery back up when removed. Beware that some battery chargers are 'smart' and may not like powering a device that is not a battery. Also the 'dumb' chargers might overcharge a battery if connected all of the tiem. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
Any diesel engine will run on kerosene. Now that diesel is $2.15 per gallon in the US I'm running kerosene in my Jetta diesel. $1.59 per gallon. It's illegal but I don't really care about that. Do you know how the lubricity compares between the two? -- Martin Klingensmith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] How to read your attachments
bmolloy wrote: A point of information for John Hayes, and anyone interested in sending attachments. These can indeed be sent through the list. The list is set to reject them and a notification to that effect will appear. When you receive a message with such a notification all you need do is open the message in the usual way then click on Forward. The attachment will then appear above the subject line. Click and open as normal. The attachment can then be read.. Bob. Hello Bob, I'm not sure if you're implying that you can indeed send attachments through to the list, but I urge you not to. -- -- Martin Klingensmith (site admin) http://wwia.org/ http://nnytech.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Model fuel
Keith Addison wrote: These are diesels. The glowplug motors (not diesels) run on methanol and a brew of other stuff, some of it not very nice. I don't know if you could substitute ethanol, but I think you'd need the other stuff anyway. Best wishes Keith Nitromethane No, it's not very nice, but you probably could use some ethanol instead of the methanol in the mix. Some hobby shops blend their own fuel, it may be worthwhile to ask around. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!
Jeff wrote: I have heard of truck drivers talk about getting propane in the air intake of their diesel engine. One driver I talk to told me of a time when this other truck driver smelled some propane and didn't think nothing of it. He went and turn off his engine as quick as he could. The other driver's engine started to over rev, without him in the cab. He went in the can and tried to turn the motor off. It wouldn't turn off. It continued to over rev and blew up the motor. I think that the same thing will happen with Oxygen. I don't think that there is any good way you can control it. Jeff I haven't been following this thread closely but propane injection is a very common modification. The driver you talked to may have been putting liquid propane in, causing much too much fuel at once. Anyway, my point is that many people use propane for increased power. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll
-- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Steve Spence wrote: They can have him. Where do we send donations for the plane tickets? - Original Message - From: wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll Since most of the world is more socialist than democratic and does not like the US way of life in the first place, of course they would want the candidate that would be most destructive to the US. Just my opinion! Wayne ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Hurricane
i suspect that lots of Floridians are suddenly paying attention to the scientists who have been saying for a decade that unless the world cuts hydrocarbon emissions (think sign the Kyoto Accords that are being rejected by Bush and Congress) there would be increasingly violent, unusual weather. the US citizens who are 4% of the people on earth generate more than a third of the world's emissions. RossCannon Ross, Weather does not follow any specific pattern, occurences are interrelated but entirely random as to the frequency of intensity. The magnitude of a hurricane is directly related to water temperature where the hurricane is. The thing is that water temperatures have not risen enough to cause a change in hurricane intensities. Global warming is perhaps true, but temperatures have not risen enough [yet] to cause any significant weather changes. -- --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Hurricane
Hi Martin and everyone: But yet we hear of polar ice caps melting... Here in california, the migration of salmon altered..these are a few modest examples of weather/environmental patterns changing related to pollution. Everything is interconnected. Ana I didn't say it wasn't interconnected. Unless there is a way to prove that something is the cause for a problem, speculation doesn't necessarily help. I was referring specifically to hurricanes, not salmon or polar ice caps melting. I know there are environmental issues caused by humans, for sure there are. Every time there is a weather anomaly, someone yells about global warming without knowing the first thing about the issue. -- --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Using an email discussion list
Phorum is good software, open source. The 5.07 beta is really powerful. It allows lists such as this to have a web interface that arranges subjects and threads in a visually meaningful manner, yet retains full list functionality for those who prefer email. The integration is pretty seamless. Users choose what works best for them. If this were a democracy, i would vote yes to having a web interface. Don't forget the many people who only have internet access at the library or cyber-cafe. 2 pesos from south of the equator... andres Hello Andres, Making the decision to choose mailman was a difficult one. We did not know about Phorum when we made the decision, however; we were very worried about security at the time due to the fact that Yahoo! had proved to be very unreliable and insecure. Mailman is use by hundreds of mailing lists and is known to be secure. Unfortunately we did not know anything about the security of alternatives that were considered. --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] water purification
Hello Peggy, I am interested in reading about the details of this system, do you have any patents or public papers I can read? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Peggy wrote: Hello Keith, Our research group has invented a water-cleaning device that repeatedly demonstrates a five-log reduction in microbes in a continuous flow of water and theoretically should reduce toxic chemicals as well. We break the water molecule into the hydroxyl radical and in the reformation, we produce the primary sanitizing elements know to health. The final product is water pure and simple. Microbes are obliterated and chemical bonds are broken. It's similar to having lightning strike only it's within a protected chamber in small doses. Among our next steps are utilizing earth-friendly energy sources to power the apparatus. Well, again, as I was recently discussing with a list member, we need to work toward the positive. There are individuals who are without political affiliations or wealth agendas that slowly work toward universal goals. Unfortunately we are only limited by time and money. Enthusiasm, creativity, and technology are our assets. Peggy Peggy G Korth, President Water Assurance Technology Energy Resources Non-profit research and development for safe water, safe air, and safe energy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Old propane tanks
Adding an over-pressure release valve couldn't hurt I would say. Labelling the tank as non-propane couldn't hurt either. -- Martin Klingensmith I have a possible source of propane tanks that have failed certification, and, might be able to get one or two at scrap prices.I know to fill them with water to force out any propane than may still be in them, so they don't explode when I go to cut/drill into them.I figure that if I can locate a 40 lb tank, that has failed certification, that it should make a processor that can handle about 20 gal at a time. Any advice as to converting them to a BioDiesel processor? Greg H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Chemistry of washing
Ken Provost wrote: on 8/18/04 5:42 AM, Teoman Naskali at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I wash my test batch, it creates a vaccum in the container it is washed in. Obviously some kind of chemical reaction takes place. What could it be? And what does it absorb from the air??? Interesting -- I've never noticed that. My guess is that methanol is vaporizing out of the unwashed fuel before you seal the container, displacing air out of the headspace, and then dissolving in the wash water after the container is sealed. Nothing in the air would be taken up by the fuel quickly enough to explain it (O2 reacting with double bonds in unsaturated fatty acid chains would take days, for example). -K Perhaps the air above the biodiesel is warm at first and cools after washing, contracting and creating a vacuum. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] miscibility of ethanol
Larosa Rodolfo wrote: [Edited to change subject title, was Re: [biofuel] What to plant for biodiesel, and to delete irrelevant previous message. KA] Please, I need information about miscibility of ethanol - gasoline. If do you have this information (trables, graphics, ecc) is possible send me. Thank You Rodolfo Hello Rodolfo, Ethanol can only be mixed with gasoline if it contains no water - 100% alcohol. Otherwise it will not mix without a lot of additives such as benzene. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] water injection question
Greg Harbican wrote: A while back I had the misfortune of having someone who thought that they were going to have a bit of fun, with my Land Cruiser, only to be caught dumping water into the fuel tank. After calling Gold Eagle, the makers of Heet and Iso Heet ( for Diesel ), and talking to one of the technicians, they said that 12 bottles of Iso Heet for every gallon of water should take care of the problem. After checking the cost of Iso Heet, and talking to my mechanic, I found than it would be more cost effective for the mechanic to take care of the problem, than to buy 2.5 gal of Iso Heet for aprox 2 Gal of water in the fuel tank. Right now I'm cleaning the fuel system, but once I'm done you can bet that I'm going to try some experiments with Isopropanol and water. and if they work then I'll move on to trying it in the fuel. Greg H. Hi Greg, A mechanic charged you less than $24 to do something to your truck? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] miscibility of ethanol
Larosa Rodolfo wrote: Hello Martin, Thank you for your reply. But which is the maximun solubility of absolute ethanol in gasoline and gasoline in absolute ethanol ? Are there graphics or tables ? Thank You Rodolfo They should be miscible at any ratio. One thing I would like to experiment with is ratios of ethanol (incl. some water) + methanol + gasoline. Methanol allows gasoline to absorb some water but I don't know how the whole mix would work out. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
Keith Addison wrote: There's nothing to be done about it. I've received emails allegedly from myself, [EMAIL PROTECTED], warning me that my address - also [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is being used for spam and my ISP - journeytoforever.org - will close my account unless I do something about it as explained in the attachment (which is of course a virus). Just lies and false addresses. That's what you think, Keith! *pulls plug* ;) -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
Hakan, they do require a special code. Have you changed your Yahoo password? If not I would do so immediately. It's not hard to fake an email from someone [I've sent emails to my friends from [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a joke..] but sending the message BACK to a faked address should be impossible. A good password should contain letters along with a number such as b8Hdh4c3X it's unguessable and would take a long time for someone to figure out. That is, of course, as long as you don't tell everyone like I just did. -- Martin Klingensmith Hakan Falk wrote: Keith. I thought that you had to have a special message in the subject line or message, to unsubscribe from Yahoo lists, this is the normal way it should be done. I did not realize that they allow this only based on an email address, which of course make it very sensitive to viruses. On the other hand, they are quite good on virus scanning of their mail and ought to have checks on this, but it is hard to keep up with the new viruses. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol / Methanol mix
Hello Greg, Methanol is CH3O [atomic mass 31 grams per mole] and ethanol C2H6O [46 g/M]. As you can see there is an oxygen atom in each molecule. Ethanol has more energy than methanol because it has more bonds than methanol. Plain old gasoline is just a series of carbon bonds such as C-C-C-C-C-C [with hydrogen all around] MTBE is C5H12O [88 g/M] which, as you can see, is much more massive than either ethanol or methanol yet only has 1 oxygen atom. Since mixtures are done by weight[mass], you could for example have 1kg of methanol mixed with 9kg of gasoline (a 10% mixture). The mass of the added oxygen would be approximately 500 grams and the oxygen would be about 5% in the whole mixture. If you had 1kg of MTBE with 9kg gasoline (again 10%) then the mass of the oxygen would be approximately 180 grams and the oxygen would be about 1.8% of total mass. So methanol would be a much better oxygenator according to my chem 105 as I remember it calculations. They very well could be off by +/-90% :) Ethanol would be slightly less efficient as an oxygen donor. So basically it doesn't matter what the eth/meth ratio is, any amount will help. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Greg Harbican wrote: In the last few days, I have been doing some checking, and I found that in 1990 there was experimentation into Eth / Meth alcohol mixes, that when added to fuel, would increase the O2 content of the fuel up to 3.7% ( better than 11% MTBE with 2% O2 ), decreasing associated pollutants. Does anyone have any information about these experiments and what the Eth/Meth ratio's are? Greg H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] implantable thermoelectric generator
tallex2002 wrote: implantable thermoelectric generator http://www.biophan.com/articles/ns.php http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns5091 Power implant aims to run on body heat Just think if these chips become mass produced in a few years and the possible applications for thermo electrics outside the body as well. Surely a bunch of these could be connected together to produce usable power for many devices..ie phones, palm pilots laptops etc. Also could be an effective way of converting exhaust heat. regards Hi tallex, It appears that they are using Peltier devices. These have been around for a long time but don't get used for a lot of things because of their horrible efficiency. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WWIA Server Cooperative
This message is for anyone who runs a web site that has a topic of biofuels, energy, or almost anything else DIY. If this is you, please see this page: http://wwia.org/colo.php I wish to start a non-profit server sharing scheme in which people with similar interests will pool their money together to pay for their web hosting costs. Thank you for your time. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO automatic switch
Austen wrote: Has anybody developed or found a thermostat type device that would work to install on the fuel line for the SVO conversion that at say 60 C would automatically switch over to SVO, making this conversion more efficient and less driver involved? I would then wire an over ride switch into the cab. Any thoughts? thanks, austen Hi austen, I believe there is not much of a market for it because the people who run SVO currently have the desire to have control over what's going on. Consider it a hobby. It would be a very easy control system. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Organic Farming Sequesters Atmospheric Carbon and Nutrients in Soils
Keith Addison wrote: http://strauscom.com/rodale-whitepaper/ Organic Farming Sequesters Atmospheric Carbon and Nutrients in Soils Paul Hepperly, The New Farm¨ Research Manager The Rodale Institute¨ Executive Summary Organic farming may be one of the most powerful tools in the fight against global warming. Findings from The Rodale Institute's 23-year Farming Systems Trial¨ (FST) comparing organic and conventional cropping systems show organic/regenerative agriculture systems reduce carbon dioxide, a major greenhouse gases-positioning organic farming as a major player in efforts to slow climate change from runaway greenhouse gases increases. Hi Keith, As we both know [others may not] Pimental has been known to put out bad data, though this latest information appears to be good if it is true. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=Pimentel -- --- Martin Klingensmith nnytech.net infoarchive.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] European-American War of 2020
Ken Provost wrote: A buddy at work (jewish, socialist, New Yorker, so yeah he's probly a little AHEAD of the curve) was speculating that U.S. would be at war with Europe within 15 years. Another fellow asked if that would be just France, but he said he figgered all of Europe would be together in it. I was thinking at the time that U.S. has already LOST the war with Europe, but what do I know? Anyway, since there's some Europeans here, and the putative war would probly be about OIL (or paying for it with euros instead of dollars), I thought this forum might have some light to shed on Fred's idea.. -K There's too much of a connection with Europe to fight a war with them. It would be an awfully hard sell to the American people, one which I would never buy. I've never bought the Iraq war either, but what do I know. -- Martin K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] How Do You Figure Ethanol Octane?
Terry Wilhelm wrote: Does anyone know of an equation for figuring the octane levels in different proofs of alcohol? Thanks Not exactly what you wanted, but informative: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem99/chem99527.htm Raises octane 2 to 3 points for 10% addition to gasoline http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/english/Et/Ethanol.html (R+M)/2 varies between 96-113 http://www.ec.gc.ca/transport/publications/ethgas/ethgas4.htm I couldn't actually find a formula. Do I get a Revenoor discount now? ;) -- Martin Klingensmith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: inline glow plug for SVO heating?
rob crowley wrote: I like the idea of inline heating of the SVO, but... The size of the fuse does not regulate the current in a glow plug; it only breaks the circuit once the current exceeds the fuse rating. Hi Rob, I said the current would be somewhat less than whatever fuse he used [and if the fuse blew then the current was higher]. Without knowing the resistance of the heater I wasn't going to speculate. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tha' Ballad of Dubya [political humor]
rico suavae wrote: Pretty good for a couple of Texans.Which one had the crayon? Yankee Boy Rico Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread needs to stop right here. Keith, sorry for playing moderator here but I know you will agree that personal attacks are completely useless to any discussion group. rico, You are allowed to disagree with what Kim/Garth said but you are not allowed to make rude comments about them. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] inline glow plug for SVO heating?
Erik Lane wrote: i would be worried about that glow plug getting too hot for sure! i think that they draw about 9-12 amps per plug, and that's a lot of current to go thru a dimmer switch. if it's a dimmer from a house circuit i suspect that it wouldn't hold up. that kind of current is equivalent to something like 1000-1500 watts load on a 120V circuit. (it's the amps that's the problem in sizing electrics, in case you don't know.) i doubt that a normal dimmer is rated that high. Your typical triac phase-shaping dimmer will not work on DC, this can't be what they're using. If it turns out that they need a control, I could make a simple one. and if you want to see how hot a glow plug will get then you can hook a positive wire from the battery to the wire terminal and holding it in a pair of pliers ground the case to some bare metal on the vehicle. it doesn't take long at all for that thing to very literally GLOW! they get red and even white hot. according to this page: http://www.forparts.com/bosglowplugs.htm 120 watts on the small surface area of a glow plug is probably too much for oil. I'm guessing about 30 watts would be decent. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: inline glow plug for SVO heating?
Joshua wrote: Your typical triac phase-shaping dimmer will not work on DC, this can't be what they're using. If it turns out that they need a control, I could make a simple one. Quite right, we're using an automotive dimmer for a heater... it's great, even says HEAT on it. ;) We haven't actually tested it yet, though, so we're not sure how low it'll get the glow plug. 120 watts on the small surface area of a glow plug is probably too much for oil. I'm guessing about 30 watts would be decent. I'm not exactly sure about watts, but we've got it run through a 20 amp fuse, though we might put a 10 amp on there. Cheers, Joshua A 10 amp fuse means the current would have to stay somewhere below 13v * 10 amps = 130 watts. 20 amps would be less than 260 watts. Let us know how it works our for you. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Canada - Burying CO2
NEIL wrote: G'day, there's been a bit of the bury the waste going on in our news here in Oz and the fact that our powerstations are all in this state NSW. we supply %65 of australias power. and they were saying about making liquid co2 and putting it in holes in the ground.. trouble is our oil fields are down the bottom of oz in the sea.. no how much does it cost to transport co2? even if this insane idea went ahead. the key of course is to stop using polluting energy. we have one lousy wind generator here where there could be a thousand and i havent seen it stopped when driving past the last month. Any how my question was in there ha, the cost of transporting Co2. is there any mention of that? Cheers Neil. Hi Neil, They built a pipeline in this case. ANYTHING to get more oil out of the ground! I agree with you, they could have spent a LOT of money on solar or wind generation. On an unrelated note, it's a good idea to trim your quoted message when you reply. You quoted the whole article which was several pages. No harm done, just try not to do it. Thanks -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drinking rain water [was: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am looking into building an Earthship, and I was wondering if you could tell me if drinking rain water is safe (I mean after it has been filtered like described in the Earthship books)? Thanks, Al Hi Al, I think rainwater is fine but in some areas it will be acidic. I'm downwind from Detroit, my rainwater is pretty acidic. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo Folks, I don't know how close to on-topic this is but I have a question which I have been asking myself for a long while and figured it wouldn't hurt to pass it on and see what I get. Every day I go down in my basement and empty about 2.5 gallons of water from the dehumidifier. Twice a day. Every day. I have been wondering if it would be possible to dehimidify with the added benefit of having potable water. Safe to drink. What would it take? Closed system with copper or stainless steel coils or...? Anyone have any ideas on this? Just a (nagging) thought. Waste not want not. Happy Happy, Gustl Hi Gustl, A rather tame topic, it's more useful than Mich*el M***e rants, IMO. My girlfriend's house has a dehumidifier in the basement as well. Is this a necessity due to bad building practices? I know what would happen if you did not have one, but I don't know why the humidity would get too high in the cooler space of a basement. As for drinking the water, I'm sure that you could. On inspection of your typical dehumidifier there is a lot of dust, fibers, and lint that stay wet on the cold heat exchanger portion on which the water condenses. Barring this complication, I'm sure that it would be a good source of water if the heat exchanger were kept clean, and the water would be filtered through activated carbon. It is inherently distilled water, though it is an open system where any other chemicals in the air would just as easily condense on the coils. There is a place in England I believe, where there is a shortage of potable water but they have a lot of fog every morning. They put up large land-sails that condense the passing fog to supply drinking water. I don't have any details but it seemed to have worked when I saw the report. Hope that helps a little Happy Happy -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Water Heater Warning
bioveging wrote: Good day; Having just finished installing the electricals on my reactor (water heater) this weekend I thought I would pass along a potential risk when converting these to 120V from their 240V original. I don't know about most but the one I got had a square flanged heating element and the 120V conversion element is screw in round. This in and of itself is not a major problem, although a word of warning is in order. The conversion flange can be bought wherever they sell the heaters, just ask. What happems though is that once you have disabled the upper element and installed the conversion flange to be able to screw in your 120V element the lower one now sticks out further than it did originally with the flat square flange so that you are not able to put the metal plate back on the lower part without getting contact of the poles and shorting out the unit. A work around would be to use a ball pean hammer and dent out a space for the protruding element or simply not replace the lower plate and cover the lot with insulation, duct tape itin place and then proceed to complete the extra insulation required by this sort of design that enables it to hold in it's heat better for a more complete reaction and settling of the glycerine layer. A GFCI would be in order here as well. Make sure you ground the tank properly. It will shut of the power if something shorts to ground. [Like a human finger..] -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Perendev tooling up for magnetic motor
tallex2002 wrote: Perendev is Tooling Up for Magnetic Motor Mass Production Hi all, This will be interesting. Perendev is Tooling Up for Magnetic Motor Mass Production in Europe http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/7/prwebxml138231.php regards It won't be interesting, it'll be a scam to get money to invest in it. It's impossible, illogical, unscientific, and getting very irritating to real science. http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm -- Martin Klingensmith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] engine problem
Christopher wrote: Hi Martin: What could be an indication that water has indeed damaged the bearings? Will that still be repairable? Thanks a lot. Regards, chris Christopher, If you check the main bearings and the caps are copper colored, they are worn and should be replaced. New bearings are babbit [a white metal] on top of copper, on top of the steel shell. You can check them by removing the oil pan and onbolting one of the bearing caps. Be careful of getting any dirt at all in there. If you do replace them, clean the crank well and apply a sticky assembly lubricant liberally. Don't be conservative ;) Bearings rarely actually fail in a small engine so you likely don't have a problem. When a head gasket fails it is indicated by a loss of power and you may have actually seen gases escaping between the head and block. When people don't pay attention to their gauges and this failure occurs, it can result in an overheated engine with a warped head, cracked block, or other expensive failure. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] How's Come Berkely is the Hot Bed of Forward Thinking.
Phil Dodd wrote: Sitting here in my south-central pennsylvania funk lamenting the fact that when I talk biodiesel I am looked at like I have 2 heads. Though there is a couple of seminars coming to the Washington D.C. area next week and again in september. Are there any folks out here in the hinterlands of the Mid-Atlantic states that are actually making, using and spreading the word? Help save me from this desert of forward thinking before my mind starts to atrophy here in the land of the closed mind. Phil Hello Phil, I live in northern New York [no, the Catskills are not northern NY] I have been trying to get people interested for quite some time. It isn't easy and it's slow, but I've been letting people know for a couple years now that there are alternatives to petro-diesel and gasoline. I've also been dispelling the widespread myth that ethanol is bad. Why is it common belief that ethanol is a horrible fuel? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] engine problem
Chris, Sounds like blown head gasket - if so it should not be too serious, just take the head off replace with a new head gasket. You might want to take the opportunity to reseat the valves while the head is off. Make sure you follow the recommended tightening sequence torque settings for the head bolts. More seriously you might have a cracked block - not much you can do there except scrap it. Hope that helps Malcolm Hopefully it hasn't overheated or ruined any bearings due to the water. -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
linux4freaks wrote: Hi! My name is Glenn Wehmeyer and my interest is in making ethanol from acquired fermentable materials. I can see that a majority of discussions are about biodiesel at the moment but I'm interesting in all renewable fuels. Been making ethanol for a few months, next step after brewing beer all these years... already know half the process. I'm currently looking for ways to remove some of the water post fermentation and before distillation. Ideally just trying to reduce the energy costs associated with distillation. I will also be trying to get the Ethanol closer to 99% in the future for other uses. Thanks for having me, Glenn I believe you can use a reverse osmosis machine to reduce the amount of water. They are quite expensive though. See http://infoarchive.net/ and search under the biofuel, distillers, and new_distillers archives. Glad to have you here. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fahrenheit 9/11
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, it is a little slanted isn't it? I for one do not care to see the country made over into the image that Michael Moore would like to see. I have seen pictures of that punk from his high school days reminds me too much of the hell raisers and agitators that are largely responsible for doing away with a number of the traditions and morals of this country. He still looks it, just older and uglier and fatter. Cliff Jobe You're right, it would be better if there were never any punks that wanted to change our traditions or morals. And you're right, he's ugly and fat so that makes all the difference! Thank you for making an excellent contribution to the biofuel list. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
I hope you're not voting then. The last Michael Moore book I read had 26 pages regarding works cited. He said himself that his publications aren't fair. At least he doesn't claim to be when he's not. [foxnews.com] -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope no voters base their vote on anything that Michael Moore writes or films. All of his premises and arguements are based on skewed data and emotion. He really has a very poor arguement. Its very sad that people would take something, written by someone with severe political motivations and uses human emotions to get a reaction in stead of logic, as truth and fact. Do us all a favor, do your own research, otherwise, don't vote. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Jet Fuel
Mix it with biodiesel and you'll be all set. Just make sure you know why it's Waste [I don't] -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ towcloud9 wrote: Hi all, A local airport often has wast jet fuel. My understanding is that with a lubricity additive, jet fuel can be used as diesel. I can get 30-40 gallons a week. Anyone doing this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] EPA's bad data?
Hunt, Adam wrote: I just ran across an EPA run website where you can look up the EPA rated mileage and Air Pollution Score (pounds of smog forming pollution per 15k miles). For some reason every recent VW TDI scored markedly worse then their gas counterparts. In some cases the diesels are shown to produce twice as much smog. Can anyone comment on this? I have always been told that diesels are generally cleaner. The site in question can be found at http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm --adam My car [1999 chevrolet cavalier 2.2l 5spd] is incorrectly rated as getting 24 mpg city / 34 hwy. I get 30 and 35. This has been discussed quite a bit lately and I have come to the personal conclusion that the EPA ratings are calculated by racecar drivers. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] weights and measures
robert luis rabello wrote: george meredith wrote: Why can`t everyone use gallons,ouarts,pints,ounces,lbs instead of metrics Unit conversions in the metric system simply involve moving a decimal around, rather than messing with division. (How many ounces are in a peck? Better yet, who cares!) The rest of the world is a bit smarter than we Americans when it comes to this! The only problem with the metric system is that the pitch of metric threads is so narrow that bolts don't seem to have the same holding power that SAE threads have. For most of us, however, this is not a problem. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 I am finding that most engineers are using metric these days. I'm the electrical variety myself. Have you ever seen non-metric electromagnetic units? They are NOT pretty! The only people still holding on are the general public. I think the metric system is great. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Raschig rings
Hi Ben! You've asked a good question maybe you should check this out: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/distillers/?keywords=raschig+ring+sources many hits including alternatives such as glass beads or steel pot scrubbers. benjinsl wrote: Greetings all, I am planning to build a small ethanol still, http://www.moonshine-still.com/still.pdf, and would like to know if anyone can recommend a reputable source of raschig rings, or have any ideas of substitutes? (steel wool?) Ben -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New to the group
John Woolsey wrote: Think about it. Electric cars have the same problem as hydrogen cars. There is no free supply of electricity. The only way to produce relatively polution free vehicles would be to have all electrical power produced by nuclear energy. Right now any increase in electrical energy consumption is generally produced by coal. Net CO2 output from coal after inefficiency of batteries and the like are taken into account is far higher than gas vehicles. As my air modeling friend told me. Electric vehicles are just a moving the smoke plume issue. - bfn - JAW http://www.electroauto.com/info/pollmyth.shtml http://www.solardome.com/solardome51.html Please provide real sources such as those if you wish to make a sweeping comment in the future. Batteries are not inefficient compared to internal combustion engines, and large coal fired burners are actually much more efficient than the typical hydrocarbon to road custody chain. -- Martin Klingensmith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] New to the group
John Woolsey wrote: Things that have been irritating me: Electric cars produce more polution and CO2 than gas cars. Remember marginal electricity is produced by Coal in NA. You said it, now prove it. -- Martin Klingensmith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] I need large amounts of Biodiesel
You could certainly make that much. The hardest part would be collecting the WVO to use. You may want to try running on straight WVO - have a second tank in which the return line loops through the secondary WVO tank before returning to the diesel tank. The return line would act as a heat exchanger warming the WVO. When it gets warm, switch the fuel with a solenoid valve. [send/return diesel switched to send/return WVO] -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ bustedknuckle71 wrote: I am interested in biodiesel for a dump truck. Is it possible to make large quantities of biodiesel? I average about 75 gal. per day 6 days a week. Can this amount be made by a individual? Would this end up being a full time job? Thanks for the info Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bush's Biodiesel Mower
murdoch wrote: Maybe Dubya should consider appointing Ken Englebrecht run the Department of Energy. He'll probably fire him when he finds out. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel
Irshad, Please post your results to this list so we can see what you find. I have been wondering about cracking biodiesel. Thanks -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ irshad ahmed wrote: Hi, My name is Irshad and i am a new member to this group.I am a graduate student in Chemical Engineering Dept in University of North Dakota. I am trying to improve the cold flow properties of Biodiesel so that it can be used in Aviation sector (JP-8).I am trying to improve the cold flow properties by catalytic cracking and thermal cracking.In future we are going to crack soybean oil and bidiesel and then we will compare the results I would like to know is someone working on this same topic or they have some idea how i can remove major percentage of glycerol from biodiesel (SME) or from raw feed soybean oil which is our our feed for biodiesel. All of you have a great weekend, Thank You, Irshad Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regards Nick P.S. I love my internal combustion engines and now I know that I can be better for the environment and still play with them. Why push for alternative energy when biofuel is a solution? Biofuels are alternative energies! -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Early 80's Mercedes-Benz turbo diesel fuel tank problem (Flaking and clogging)
Steven Pfaff wrote: I read a post a few days ago about a problem with the fuel tanks on the early 80's Benz diesels, and I have some questions regarding this issue. I am looking at buying two of four Mercedes-Benz 300D's years 1979-1983 (the '79 is a coupe and the others are sedans). I suspect three of the four have been sitting a year or more. I remember reading that something inside the fuel tank was flaking off and clogging the fuel system. Is this the actual inside of the tank or buildup of some sort? Is it uncertain what this material is? Is it absolutely necessary to replace the fuel tank in this instance? How long did your vehicle run before the problem arose? Was the clog (obstruction) in the fuel line/hose, or in the filter? I also remember reading that the fuel tanks were of some difficulty to obtain, but possibly only for certain models ie; wagons. How much did you pay for the tank? Where did you get it? Did you do the repairs yourself or did you go to a mechanic? If something was flaking off, it was either rust or a coating on the inside. In either case you should change the tank. A tank for an 80s Mercedes is [I'm guessing] in the hundreds-of-dollars range, unless you find a good source. Changing a fuel tank is a straight-forward operation, disconnect everything, undo straps, put in the new one. The sending unit may be rusting out if the tank is in bad shape. I'm not the person you were looking for, but I'm trying to give you some info. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] DVD Issues
Solution: make DVDs and dub some VHS tapes as well. DVDs can ship in the mail for less money than VHS tapes though. -- Martin K Emmerick, Craig wrote: Hi Guys and Gals I tend to agree with Steve on this one about making a DVD istead of the old video. DVD players are a lot more leaner burners of the electric bill than the video machine. Skip forward people and take the tech step, you won't be sorry. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] great history channel spot on the tzero
murdoch wrote: The show is From Tactical To Practical. This particular show, they were examining all sorts of hybrids and alt-fuel vehicles. After the Prius-Insight hybrid segment, they did a segment on the tzero, where they had it do a 1/4 mile drag against a 500 hp Dodge Viper. The tzero won. At the end, the Viper was catching up a bit, but it was not able to overcome the tzero's advantages in low-end torque that manifested themselves at the line. I saw it too, didn't it look like they were going really slow, perhaps a mock race? Then there was a segment on a diesel-electric hybrid military vehicle and then a diesel-electric 2004 Dodge pickup (Is such a thing actually available to consumers, or was this just Daimler-Chrysler vaporware, or more military-only who-cares-about-consumers-ware?) The hybrid dodge pickup is being made available to fleet customers right now. It should be available in a year or two for regular customers. The military hybrid (Hybrid Humvee?) was said to use Lithium-type batteries. Cool. I think it's mainly for stealth mode. The military rarely cares about fuel consumption. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own.... according to one study's methodology
That's the total cost of ownership for 5 years - car, fuel, insurance, etc. Martin, Yah, well nothing should surprise you when you compare the prices in that list vs MSRP. $33 - $34 thousand for a Golf? Try $18,275 - $19,300 for a 2004, GL, TDI, 1.9 liter, Turbodiesel. I guess if they can escalate the value by 80% for their little list, they can manipulate anything else they like. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own according to one study's methodology murdoch wrote: According to this study's methodology, fuel efficiency is important, though obviously not the only factor. The top 5 cars include an assortment of approaches, including the Hybrid Prius, the Non-Hybrid Civic and the VW TDI. http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/18/pf/autos/efficient_cost_to_own/ I figured out the total cost [with their numbers] for 5 years. Cost to own includes insurance, fuel costs, maintenance and repairs and other costs + purchase price. I am puzzled by the fact that the Chevy Cavalier is not included, with a $10k base price and 47MPG highway. It gets better mileage than a Civic and costs less. Cost Make Model $28081 Toyota ECHO $28259 Honda Civic $29552 Scion xA $29768 Toyota Corolla $30985 Dodge Neon $31351 Scion xB $32466 Toyota Matrix $33301 Volkswagen Golf $33366 Volkswagen New Beetle $34504 Volkswagen Jetta $35195 Honda Civic Hybrid $35873 Honda Insight $36400 Pontiac Vibe $36641 Toyota Prius $37680 Toyota Celica Table for fuel costs [est. 5 year] fuel Make Model $2,406 Honda Insight $2,896 Toyota Prius $3,112 Volkswagen Golf $3,112 Volkswagen Jetta $3,112 Volkswagen New Beetle $3,122 Honda Civic Hybrid $3,746 Honda Civic $3,849 Toyota ECHO $4,156 Toyota Corolla $4,412 Scion xA $4,608 Pontiac Vibe $4,608 Toyota Matrix $4,810 Scion xB $4,995 Dodge Neon $4,995 Toyota Celica -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own.... according to one study's methodology
I'm sorry that was a typo, I intended to write '37' 47 would be better though :) Martin, Is this a diesel or something else - a non-USA model? The cavalier, according to yahoo autos, achieves 27-37 mpg. http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/chevrolet_cavalier_2005/3916/model_overview.h tml -Original Message- From: Martin Klingensmith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:42 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own according to one study's methodology murdoch wrote: According to this study's methodology, fuel efficiency is important, though obviously not the only factor. The top 5 cars include an assortment of approaches, including the Hybrid Prius, the Non-Hybrid Civic and the VW TDI. http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/18/pf/autos/efficient_cost_to_own/ I figured out the total cost [with their numbers] for 5 years. Cost to own includes insurance, fuel costs, maintenance and repairs and other costs + purchase price. I am puzzled by the fact that the Chevy Cavalier is not included, with a $10k base price and 47MPG highway. It gets better mileage than a Civic and costs less. Cost MakeModel $28081Toyota ECHO $28259Honda Civic $29552Scion xA $29768Toyota Corolla $30985Dodge Neon $31351Scion xB $32466Toyota Matrix $33301Volkswagen Golf $33366Volkswagen New Beetle $34504Volkswagen Jetta $35195Honda Civic Hybrid $35873Honda Insight $36400Pontiac Vibe $36641Toyota Prius $37680Toyota Celica Table for fuel costs [est. 5 year] fuel MakeModel $2,406Honda Insight $2,896Toyota Prius $3,112Volkswagen Golf $3,112Volkswagen Jetta $3,112Volkswagen New Beetle $3,122Honda Civic Hybrid $3,746Honda Civic $3,849Toyota ECHO $4,156Toyota Corolla $4,412Scion xA $4,608Pontiac Vibe $4,608Toyota Matrix $4,810Scion xB $4,995Dodge Neon $4,995Toyota Celica -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Received a message from biofuel-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com biofuel-unsubscribe
biobenz wrote: Doug; Of course it is not lost that the fact that you haven't run a virus checker leaves you in the absolute dark as to whether or not your PC is loaded with spyware/adware ect... How do you know? You could be the trap door to the mountains of spam that get sent via infected machines every day. The only reason we hear more about MS getting hit by hackers so much is because that's what the majority of the world is using. Linux or And because they don't fix security holes. Mac are NOT immune to infection and should they become more popular they too would see the happy litte bugs showinig up in droves looking for a home.This not to say that they have not been targeted in the past, as they have, sucessfully, so to say that this OS or that is better and immune is a false sense of security that could end up costing you big time should one of these little mignons decide that seeing as how Linux and Mac users are so not looking for an attack that that just might be fun to hit next. Linux distributions come with higher security by default. Windows still can't get the multi-user security correct. The better solution is to invest the money the hackers have forced you to dish out and get GOOD anti-virus/anti-hacking software as well as spyware and adware removal software and be happy that you did it BEFORE you lost your hard drive to some helpful hacker. The only antivirus software on my linux machines is to filter out windows viruses from email attachments. Ask Keith about this. Personally I run Norton's Internet Security combined with Spybot Search and Destroy for spyware and Ad-Aware by Lavasoft for the adware and although many many attempts have been made at gaining access to my Windows XP equiped machine none have yet suceeded in so doing, thank God, although NO system is 100% ironclad shut to hacking we owe it to ourselves to make the job as difficult as possible and then the hackathons will simply find an easier target, such as one who isn't expecting them, like say, a Linux or Mac user who thinks he/she is impervious to them. My system is impervious to viruses. Why? Because I know what's going on in here, and I don't install junk software. I have never had a virus. The fact is, if you DO NOT run anti-virus checks then HOW do you know you aren't infected? Answer: you don't. Luc I'm not. If you're running windows then you don't know. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] building a biodiesel fuel processor
ardis streeter wrote: Hi all,, I have been working on a fuel processor now for some time. I have the methoxide tank done,it is all stainless steel construction.Now I am building the reaction tank also stainless. It will have a heating coil in it, that is connected to my wood boiler to heat the used veg. oil up for the proper reaction temp..Also I am installing 3 240 volt electric heating elements in the tank,aprox.225 gallon in size in case I want a faster heat up of the oil.Also the temp . will be regulated automatically with 4 aquastats, one for each element and one for the main hot water coil in the tank.The aquastates are then connected to relays that power up the heating elements.The aquastats then automatically control the temp. in the tank..Also I am building a stainless tank for washing.Would it be a good idea to put a coil in this tank to control that temp. also or isnt it necessary? Thanks Hello Ardis, it is my understanding that you would not need to heat the washing tank, as long as temperature would stay above the gelling point of the biodiesel. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Least Costly Cars To Own.... according to one study's methodology
murdoch wrote: According to this study's methodology, fuel efficiency is important, though obviously not the only factor. The top 5 cars include an assortment of approaches, including the Hybrid Prius, the Non-Hybrid Civic and the VW TDI. http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/18/pf/autos/efficient_cost_to_own/ I figured out the total cost [with their numbers] for 5 years. Cost to own includes insurance, fuel costs, maintenance and repairs and other costs + purchase price. I am puzzled by the fact that the Chevy Cavalier is not included, with a $10k base price and 47MPG highway. It gets better mileage than a Civic and costs less. CostMakeModel $28081 Toyota ECHO $28259 Honda Civic $29552 Scion xA $29768 Toyota Corolla $30985 Dodge Neon $31351 Scion xB $32466 Toyota Matrix $33301 Volkswagen Golf $33366 Volkswagen New Beetle $34504 Volkswagen Jetta $35195 Honda Civic Hybrid $35873 Honda Insight $36400 Pontiac Vibe $36641 Toyota Prius $37680 Toyota Celica Table for fuel costs [est. 5 year] fuelMakeModel $2,406 Honda Insight $2,896 Toyota Prius $3,112 Volkswagen Golf $3,112 Volkswagen Jetta $3,112 Volkswagen New Beetle $3,122 Honda Civic Hybrid $3,746 Honda Civic $3,849 Toyota ECHO $4,156 Toyota Corolla $4,412 Scion xA $4,608 Pontiac Vibe $4,608 Toyota Matrix $4,810 Scion xB $4,995 Dodge Neon $4,995 Toyota Celica -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Syngas to methanol
Walt Patrick wrote: Currently we're undertaking to install a 100' tower and wind generator in order to produce quantities of H2 and O2. We're planning on using O2 (instead of air) to drive the thermodynamics of the conversion, and will use the H2 to adjust the ratio of CO to H2 in the syngas. Hope this helps clarify what we're doing. Walt http://www.windward.org/ Walt, are there any legal problems in doing this since it is going to be patented? I think it's great though, please keep us updated on how it goes. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Thanks!
Keith Addison wrote: ... one and all. Biodiesel schmiodiesel, but I really enjoy this list sometimes. Lots of hassle and we don't really have the time it takes to maintain it, but it's worth it. Thanks to all, posters, lurkers, offlisters, everyone. Most sincerely Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Keith, is this a random thanks, a farewell, or did I miss something? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Nation's Gas Prices High, But Adjusted Prices Not Highest Ever
http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=12220 May 7--Prices for gasoline at the pump are higher than ever seen, say many in North Dakota. But real gas prices have been quite a bit higher before. The Associated Press reported that Pat Gilhooly in Bismarck clenched his teeth and shook his head as he filled up his 1968 Chevelle and gas cans for his lawn mower and weed whacker. The price in Bismarck jumped a nickel Wednesday to just under $1.95 a gallon for regular, the same price commonly seen in Grand Forks. This is cutting into my beer and fishing money, Gilhooly told AP. Monica Musich, president of Valley Dairy, which has seven convenience stores in Grand Forks and East Grand Forks, five of which sell gasoline, said it's about as high as she can remember. I'm sure people realize we don't control it, said Musich. It's better for everyone when gas prices are low. While the nationwide average hit $1.84, in the Twin Cities, several gas stations hit $2 a gallon and at one, $2.05, Wednesday, according to AP. Inflation, inflation But when inflation is taken into account, prices now are quite a bit lower than they used to be, in real, or constant dollars. Using the common measure of inflation, the Consumer Price Index, for example, it takes $1.87 of today's money to match a buck 20 years ago. That means, if gas prices in 1984 read $1.50 at the pump, it would take $2.80 today to buy the same gallon. In inflation-adjusted terms, the peak price for gas was in March 1981, when the price was nearly $3 a gallon, in 2004 dollars, said Jonathan Cogan, energy information specialist for the U.S. Department of Energy. Although we are seeing very high prices in nominal dollars, or those not adjusted for inflation, when we do take into account the changing value of the dollar, we are still quite a ways away from the peak price, he said. Not that that's any consolation to people who have seen continuing increases in the price of gasoline. Gas prices spiked in 1973 and again in 1979 through 1983 based on Middle Eastern politics and wars, Cogan said. From 1986 to 1999, oil prices fell to historic lows, but have been rising since, more or less. Even so, from the long-term view, oil prices remain relatively mild, if not low, said Cyrus Bina, economics professor at the University of Minnesota-Morris, and author of a book on petroleum and the global political economy. Eighty years ago, for example, a gallon of gasoline cost $2.75 in today's dollars, making today's prices seem a bargain. However, drastic increases over recent months of 50 percent to 75 percent hit people's pocketbooks hard, Bina said. Demand has roared, as China and Japan have revved up their economies, and America has been no slacker, now using a fourth of the world's fossil fuel production, Bina said. More immediately, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan has greatly increased fuel use by the U.S. military. Meanwhile, refining capacity has lagged behind the increased demand, making the supply side slower, pushing up prices, Bina said. And Americans, with little public transportation compared to many nations, and lots of spacious skies and amber waves of grain, value low gas prices more than many peoples do, Bina said. Even so, rising gas prices shouldn't affect things now as much as they used to, because -- this may surprise you -- the place of energy prices overall in the U.S. economy has decreased in the past 20 years. Energy consumption per dollar of the nation's economy, measured in the Gross Domestic Product, is only half of what it was 50 years ago. That means, Cogan said, that higher energy prices would have less impact on the economy's growth. That's partly because the service industry -- which uses relatively little energy -- has grown to be a much larger part of the economy, while the energy-intensive manufacturing sector has become a smaller piece of the pie, Cogan said. Energy use also has become more efficient. That may explain why, despite the steady rise in gas prices for months, people still want to buy the big four-wheel-drive stuff, said Ron Wilkening, sales manager at Rydell Auto Center in Grand Forks. We're a farming community where people need pickups and things like that, and there are not a lot of 40- or 50-mile commutes to work and back, Wilkening said. As far as the buying public goes, in Grand Forks and the surrounding area, so far gas prices haven't affected their buying habits. I'm not saying it's not going to, if prices keep going up. Farmers are in the hottest swing of spring planting, but the rising fuel prices won't change the way they farm, said Willie Huot, agricultural extension agent for Grand Forks County. Many farmers buy fuel and other supplies in advance, and everyone reading the news knew last fall that diesel fuel likely would be higher this spring, Huot said. If prices keep rising until next fall, it may change who plants what when, he said. So far at
Re: [biofuel] Re: alternatives for methanol
'diesel' model airplane engines are diesels in the sense that they operate in the same principal, but they run on a much lighter fuel so that it will ignite. They cannot run on 'dino' diesel, biodiesel, or SVO. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Bruce Colley wrote: There are a number of diesel model airplane engines available, and I don't see why if you heated the SVO, that it wouldn't work. (In fact I have been wanting to try this and just haven't gotten around to it.) Bob Boumstein ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) publishes a monthly list of engines that he has for sale, including diesel engines. If you e-mail him to get on his list, you can see what is available. I would be very interested in your results. Bruce Colley, Sustainable Energy Project http://www.sustainableenergyproject.org - Original Message - From: Jeffrey Kumjian To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: alternatives for methanol Can you convert a model Airplane engine to run on straight Vegetable oil and how are you do it? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] SVO and Vehicle Navigation Systems
Sounds good, but how many people would remember to set their destination point in the computer? You could, however, arrange it to make it start on dino, switch over 10 minutes later, cruise for however long, and when the driver goes to shut down the car on SVO [oops!] have the computer switch back to dino and leave the car on for a minute or three. I work with microcontrollers all the time. It would be fairly inexpensive. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Ryan Morgan wrote: Here's a brain storm for you: I work in GIS, for those of you who aren't yet familiar with that, it stands for Geographic Information Systems. Essentially I make maps and use things like aerial photography and GPS to do so. Hanging out at my local map store on a Friday evening (what a dork) I got to talking with another mapper about his VW TDI and biodiesel. He wasn't too clear on what biodiesel was (he thought it was just filtered SVO) so I started explaining how SVO required two tanks and a switch. I told him how the driver had to start on dino/biodiesel, switch to SVO, and then remember to switch it back before turning the motor off. We both agreed that this was too much to remember for the driving masses, and bingo! It hit me. Why not hook the switch to an in-vehicle navigation system? Believe it or not, this would not be difficult to do. The driver gets in the vehicle, sets a route, and the car knows when it's a quarter mile away from it's destination and switches back to dino/biodiesel automatically. What do you think? Cheers, Ryan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] poly tanks
~500 gallon poly tanks in Northern NY contain residue from a nontoxic petroleum chemical. A friend of mine bought two for $100. Contact slack chemical www.slackchem.com -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] High-Speed Chase
Keith Addison wrote: http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/10229 High-Speed Chase Helen Gonzales is the policy director of USAction's Corporate Truth Squad. USAction is a progressive activist organization, dedicated to winning social, racial and economic justice for all. It represents three million members in 34 affiliates, with statewide organizations in 24 states. Police officers don't drive their cars like the rest of us. Even the most casual TV watcher will be familiar with the car chases on California state highways filmed by helicopter, or the hapless drunken joyrides of petty criminals on the TV show Cops. These pursuits are very often brought to a close by a police officer's white cruiser ramming the crook off the road. When they are on call, police ignore traffic laws and crash their cars if they have to-it's a part of their job. So it's fair to assume that their vehicles should be outfitted for demolition derby conditions without endangering the lives of the officers who drive them. Unfortunately, one of the most popular cruiser models purchased by police departments in America-Ford's Crown Victoria Police Interceptor-is not equipped to withstand rear-end crashes even at I have to say this is pretty old news for just being published. In my home state of New York I am not seeing very many ford police cars anymore. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] (fwd) What's in a Gallon of Gas?
I think we've talked about this before. I am skeptical of the value of this comparison. For example, in 27 grams of aluminum, there are ~~600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms. Interesting to know, but only useful to a scientist/engineer. In the biomass - gasoline comparison, they say that burning that gallon releases 20 pounds of carbon dioxide. What about the other several tons of matter? Well it was lost at some point in decomposition. It's just a 'wow' factor, just to say how inefficient our energy source is. It is farily misleading and useless. It could also make the uninformed person think that growing any sort of crop for fuel is idiotic. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ murdoch wrote: Yes, we've seen this person's research before, but it bears repeating for those who might not have seen it. Discover Data: What's in a Gallon of Gas? By Susan Kruglinski DISCOVER Vol. 25 No. 04 | April 2004 | Environment What's in a Gallon of Gas? Everyone knows fossil fuels come from long-dead plants, but Jeffrey Dukes wanted real numbers: How much plant matter does it take to make a gallon of gasoline? Dukes, a biologist, ecologist, and dabbler in biogeochemistry at the University of Massachusetts, discovered that such statistics are hard to find. So he decided to figure them out for himself and was surprised by the answers. A gallon of gas represents roughly 100 tons of plant matter, the amount that exists in 40 acres of wheat. Burning that gallon puts 20 pounds of carbon dioxide into the air. The annual consumption of gasoline in the United States, about 131 billion gallons of gas, is equivalent to 25 quadrillion pounds of prehistoric biomass and releases some 2.6 trillion pounds of carbon dioxide. The numbers are even more sobering when you consider all the fossil fuelscoal, natural gas, and oil that people consume. Since 1751, roughly the start of the Industrial Revolution, humans have burned the amount of fossil fuel that would have come from all the plants on Earth for 13,300 years. We know that fossil-fuel use is not sustainable in the long run, Dukes says. This study will, I hope, encourage people to face up to the energy problem now. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] AC vs. DC electricity, was: Electricity storage solutions.
Darryl McMahon wrote: I know there are motors called brushless DC, but for my purposes these are effectively AC motors. There are also universal motors, which can run on AC or DC, but in effect, these are AC motors with brushes, and seldom are found in sizes above 1/2 hp. Hi Darryl, I saw an article in IEEE Spectrum just last week about the new US military prototype humvee hybrid. It has a 50kW PM BLDC in each hub. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] EVs was: Gas Prices Reach Record Highs
Picked apart: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, suppose we mandated 1 Million EVs to be built next year. They would probably have to use lead-acid batteries, as they are the only off-the-shelf technology available. They are already expensive, but what will happen to the price of lead when GM tries to buy another million tons? more will be recycled nickel-hydride and lithium batteries are becoming used more often. We're not talking about rare minerals here. How will they get the permission to open new lead mines? The environmental impact statements would take years to get thrrough the courts. And the lead smelters? Worse. Battery recycling? We already ship automobile batteries offshore for recycling, because of EPA and OSHA. What will we do with an extra half million tons a year? When there is more money in it, industries will be more willing to deal with it. How much space will they evacuate when a train hits an EV, spilling toxic materials over a quarter mile or so of track? Forget that we're talking about lead or sulfuric acid here, what are you talking about? The general trend these days with EVs is going toward gel-cell batteries. Most vehicles have the batteries secured so well that there isn't any problem. What about a car being hit and spreading gasoline all over the place? Or the hydrogen explosion, after a traffic accident? From what? Batteries don't pump out enough hydrogen to cause a large explosion. I'd be more worried about my gas tank exploding. Then there's the infrastructure, more than a million charging stations. They'll be tearing up half the streets in LA, and the folks in Utah and Nevada will protest the building of new coal-burning (or nuclear) electric generating plants there to charge the million cars. Who will pay for the huge cost? The people driving the cars, who do you think would pay it? What about tearing up the ground to put in huge fuel tanks that leak noxious hydrocarbons into the ground? The poor folks in West Virginia won't like being taxed to pay for toys for Green geeks on the west coast. Suppose you are running for congress in West VA. How are you going to sell your energy plan? What about digging up the ground for oil? It's the same thing. Using renewable transfer media for energy is the key, not where it originally came from (the sun) - Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Hazards - provocative mail
I remember buying an USA made hammer in the 70*s it was hung with labels and stuff saying to wear protective glasses, gloves, overalls etc and to keep children and pets away, not to leave it unattended and to hide it or lock it up from potential thieves - failure to do any of that stuff would void it's warranty - it was a hammer for goodness sakes - are you Americans nuts? Mainly only the litigious variety. Anyway, I would really like to know if anyone has died by handling - not drinking because that is deathly - methanol, and if so if the poison intrudes through the skin or the airways. http://www.orcbs.msu.edu/newsletters/November1993/haz_mat_report.html Consumption of a 1/4 oz. or more may be fatal. At high air concentrations (50,000 ppm) for an hour or longer, methanol will cause optic nerve damage, central nervous system depression, or death. So yes, it is deadly, but as people have mentioned many times before - we use chemicals every day that are just as toxic or even more. Gasoline http://www.brownoil.com/msdsgasoline.htm Ammonia http://www.chem.tamu.edu/class/majors/msdsfiles/msdsammonia.htm -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] 1983 Mercedes Conversion...
Hello It has been my experience that diesels will not tolerate air in the fuel lines. It would be my first guess that the pump is having trouble getting the more viscous oil to itself via a vacuum. I would try getting all of the air out of the system first of all, and then worry about delivery problems. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ crusby2003 wrote: There is no lift pump on this model, but is there some sort of vacum line that assists or is the few inch that I may not have sucked oil through the solenoid too much air? I'm thinking I 'll get an inline heater also just too be sure it is hot oil before it goes into the injectors. Any suggestions? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tanker Carrying 3.5 Million Gallons of Ethanol Sinks
murdoch wrote: When the Valdez and other Oil Spills have occurred, I had to wonder why they couldn't burn much of the Oil off the surface, even if they had to temporarily evacuate some towns because of smoke. In this case, also, I wonder if they could have burned some of this fuel off, though I guess not immediately if they were worried about possible survivors floating in the wreckage. Also, if the ethanol dissipated quickly, maybe this would have made a burn harder, even if the faster-than-oil-dissipation would not prevent a kill zone, as you say. You'll probably tell me there's plenty wrong or un-doable, with this idea of burning off the fuel, but there sure seems to be plenty wrong with having it wash up on beaches, kill fish and foul and other wildlife, hurt industries, cost billions or dozens of billions, and cost jobs, etc. Hi Murdoch, Ethanol will disperse and decompose in the water much quicker than would oil. In the article they mentioned being most worried about the bunker oil used to power the ship. yes, ethanol is still poisonous, but I'd rather drink ethanol than diesel fuel. (I'm sure fish would too) -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] crankcase flush
On Sun, 2004-01-25 at 03:37, albert_kwong2 wrote: Can I pour Biodiesel or straight diesel into my gasoline engine crankcase before oil change , run for 10 min and drainwill it clean it up and not catch fire or do damage ??? ak When I worked on a farm we had a tractor whose low oil pressure indicator would come on when I'd lower the plow into the ground (large load) The 'oil' was always at the right level, and it actually seemed to be getting higher. As it turns out, the pump was leaking fuel through a seal into the engine. When taken apart, it was the cleanest engine I've ever seen. The bearings were worn, not bad, but they were a couple years old at that point. In short, do you want to risk your bearings for a clean engine? Biodiesel might not hurt anything as it is more viscous than diesel, but it hasn't been tested by anyone that I know of. If you're obsessed about a clean engine then change your oil more often, or [better] install a bypass filter. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net nnytech.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel MPV
Hello Robert, The first thing I would do is make sure that the rest of the engine is in very good condition before paying $1200 for a head. If you have any friends that do custom automotive work, maybe you could adapt another engine to fit. This is normally done with rear wheel drive vehicles, but it isn't impossible with a front wheel drive. Major electrical work would have to be done unless you decide to use an older VW diesel. Let us know what you do, either way. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net nnytech.net On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 01:48, robert luis rabello wrote: Hello!!! I am picking up a 1991 Mazda MPV mini van tomorrow. The body is in good shape, but the cylinder head has a hole in it (these things are notorious for that, I've heard), and a new head will cost me about $1 200, if I do the installation work myself. (This I will do because I hardly have money to fix the vehicles I already own!) Has anyone dropped a 2.3 liter turbo diesel into one of these things before? I'm wondering if doing that might actually be cheaper than installing a new head on the gas engine. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Michigan Biodiesel makers?
Fred, It was a good idea lacking practicality. The small engine could not produce enough power to move the vehicle at normal speeds without the batteries being charged. The batteries would last only a few minutes normal driving, then it would drop to 20mph It would probably work with a 40 HP engine and electronic controls of course. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net nnytech.net On Sat, 2004-01-17 at 17:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: about the diesel-electric hybrids; Maybe 15-20 years ago Mother Earth News had plans for converting a VW Bug to Hybrid. As I remember it used a motor/generator from a Jet engine (redilly available from GE, at the time, for about $900. an array of batteries, and a small generator up front under the hood, about 7-9 HP, one of the options was a lamborgini diesel. For smooth starts it had a Chopper made from a reworked(to make a rotary switch) generator from a '55 MG (lotsa luck) but I always thought that could easily be replaced with solid state electronics. does anyone else remember this? Best Regards Fred On Friday, Jan 16, 2004, at 20:11 US/Eastern, Erik Lane wrote: check this one out - a hybrid dodge ram with a cummins diesel. http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=4581 kind of limited, but at least they're moving in the right direction. don't know of any cars, but i wouldn't be surprised if there were some in europe where diesel is much better regarded overall. erik Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine
On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 17:41, alex wrote: Martin Klingensmith wrote: Alex, the closest we can come to a perfect source of energy is the sun. Martin - sun energy is the same as the one Bruce is working on - dissociation of matter. However the problem with sun energy is that it is not evenly distributed. For example here in Ontario we can definitely use more sun - especially today (-20 c) People have been working on this for ages. Is it usable now, is it safe, is it reliable, is it simple, is it inexpensive? We already have a giant fusion reactor conveniently sending billions of joules to our planet every second, why reinvent it? As long as people rely on increasing amounts of energy to do everything we want to do, we are going to have to utilize different methods of getting this energy. Windmills are one of the most promising methods of power generation (conversion), and they cannot be overlooked because a few birds get killed. As far as a current amplifier goes, I hope you are joking. There is no device that can take energy and create more energy from it. It's not even something that the many people on this list wish to see more of. Martin, what we are talking about is an energy of dissociation of matter - plain NE. Bruce proposing devices which can use NE safely right on the spot - not on humangous Nuclear Generating Stations. It will never happen, at least while you and I are alive. I will personally guarantee it. You can censure me if I become incorrect. The day I can get one in my home for the same price as a comparable solar array, I will send you a check for $1000USD. p.s. It's -28C here. brr. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net nnytech.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine
Alex, Please read: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/9345/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/9364/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=turbines+killing+birds Do you firmly believe that turbines kill more birds than other human-made hazards? I believe it was Steve Spence who said cats kill more birds than windmills. Should cats be banned? -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net nnytech.net On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 10:05, alex wrote: I think that this is an established fact. Now imagine the situation: you spend tens of thousand to install the turbine, and every day it kills someone. In my opinion, turbine is not an answer. What is the real answer? - Energy derived from disassociation of matter. Matter is a conserved energy. Does it has to be based on chain reaction? -No. Look at http://www.nerl.org. Alex robert luis rabello wrote: alex wrote: Turbines kill birds. Alex Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine
On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 13:23, alex wrote: Darryl, thank you for your time end efforts in taking a second look. I think the essence of what Bruce is doing can be found at www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_tube_construction.htm. The idea is to use electron emitting radioactive substances for electrical current amplification. Now regarding cats and birds. My cat was eating like a pig and yet she was killing birds and proudly was demonstrating the catch to me. I guess it was a kind of a sport...At the same time I know 2 cats who live in a barn and don't even bother to hunt anything around them - they are fully dependent on the food from a supermarket. Cats probably are no different from people -some like outdoor life and others just a coach potatoes.. Saying this, there is no sense to introduce a turbine which kills even more birds , the ones remained after cats perils and other dangers in their life. Besides they really look like an eyesore, to me, anyway. I think the real solution is in what Bruce is doing - 3 kw power station in every basement. Alex Alex, the closest we can come to a perfect source of energy is the sun. As long as people rely on increasing amounts of energy to do everything we want to do, we are going to have to utilize different methods of getting this energy. Windmills are one of the most promising methods of power generation (conversion), and they cannot be overlooked because a few birds get killed. As far as a current amplifier goes, I hope you are joking. There is no device that can take energy and create more energy from it. It's not even something that the many people on this list wish to see more of. Highways look like an eyesore to me, so do power lines. Let's get rid of them. You didn't read any of the previous messages I sent, did you? Try this: http://www.cleanpowernow.org/birdkills.php -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net nnytech.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine
Hakan, I like the idea of putting a Darrieus rotor on my roof. Do you know of any small wind mills of this design? Do you know if the design is still efficient at a small scale? -Martin Klingensmith On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 21:32, Hakan Falk wrote: Hi, For a while now, I have studied small wind generation and followed list discussions about it. A number of times it have been announcements of cheap small wind turbines, that claimed to be suitable for general use almost anywhere. Every time it show up, it caused a large interest, but it turned out to be either physically impossible claims of performance or suspected scams. Some of them even with an ignorant support from politicians. It have easily been exposed by more knowledgeable people, but the reaction of interest it created, has stayed in my thoughts. With time, I have been surprised how limited todays small wind generation is. The implementations are in smaller scale and different in nature, than what I thought when I started to study the current market. Due to type, size and siting, the installations are rural or sub-rural and mainly off grid. The profiles of small wind and small hydro electric markets are today very similar. The dynamic and rapid development of the large wind turbine market, is not mirrored in the small wind turbine market and they are in reality sometimes competing for the suitable sites for one off turbines. If a farmer have a suitable site, one or a couple of large wind turbines is often a very profitable business project. I have often seen calls for a popularization of small wind, but this seems to be more a question of development of small turbines for urban and sub-urban siting. To bring clarity in this question, a debate and discussion is needed. I have done the following article, Plug-n Wind turbine, a development specification. http://energy.saving.nu/plugin/windturbine.shtml as an attempt to get a discussion started. Hakan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine
Appal, Read the article he wrote about it, he was talking about 150-200 watt turbines. -Martin Klingensmith On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 00:05, Appal Energy wrote: Sorry Hakan. If you were to ask me? I'd say it can't be done quite the way you would wish. Whether you choose vertical or horizontal axis turbines, the height of the foils themselves would preclude roof mount once you get past two or three horsepower - 1.5 to 2 kW. Even then the degree of elevation needed for foil clearance would require a micro-tower structure on top of a stable roof system and the roof would have to be at something akin to a summit to begin with. In all probability more advantageous to separate the housing unit from the elevating tower once you get beyond a few hundred watts. If you were in the 50 kW range, I would say that you could reduce your costs by building your own tower, presuming you had an engineer and welder who didn't mind working for chips and beer on weekends. With a bit 'o luck you could trade a keg or two of Sven's Black Powder Porter to the owner of the crane company to help you get the tower and turbine vertical. 'Course, you better make sure that the crane company owner is someone you can tolerate for the next 50 years, 'cause he's gonna' be around every other weekend to admire his handiwork and swill more beer. Beyond 50 kW? You're speaking of some reasonably serious industrial construction. While 200 kW sized units are few and far between, the technology and mechanics aren't a great deal different from a 600 kW or 1.5 mW unit. 200 kW is a boatload of output. You're speaking of powering a small subdivision or the residential side of a small but posh ski resort. Me thinks that if one is considering a scale of ~200kW, it's time to call your in-law banker and a few others with not necessarily too deep pockets who are looking for a way to shelter their money from depreciation. Perhaps by the time they down the third gin and tonic they might even be thinking on the scale of megawatt? Only so much you can do on a cobbler's budget. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine Todd and Robert, Please read my article, I am looking for 150 to 200 watt turbines at a very low price, that can be mounted on a villa roof in an urban area. -:) Sorry if I was not clear, it is difficult to explain. Hakan At 04:10 07/01/2004, you wrote: Appal Energy wrote: Hakan, Here are a couple of continental options. The 50 kw is not in production yet. http://www.bergey.com/excel.htmlhttp://www.bergey.com/excel.html http://www.bergey.com/Products/XL50.html http://www.bergey.com/http://www.bergey.com/ They've been in commercial production for close nigh to twenty-five years. Todd Swearingen The Bergeys are very robust machines. Their longevity in business is a tribute to their quality, and if I could afford one, I'd own one! Interestingly, however, I remember an article several years ago (I think it was in Home Power, if I'm not mistaken) in which the Bergeys were criticized for producing less power than was claimed by the manufacturer. Here are some additional small turbine links, if anyone is interested: http://www.windenergy.com/http://www.windenergy.com/ http://www.wvt.de/englisch/html/energie_1.htm (This one looks really cool!) http://www.hydrogenappliances.com/windpower.htmlhttp://www.hydrogenapplia nces.com/windpower.html (Beware--their address is a mail box only!) Have fun! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/9782http://www.1stbooks.com/bookview/978 2 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine
That's ok Todd. Sorry about calling you Appal, but I couldn't remember your name. Say you had 20,000 houses with 200 watt rotors running to capacity for 24 hours. They would collectively reduce the grid load by 4MW, and the energy reduced would be 167kWh (for one day). To add to this, if they were fairly inexpensive, a lot of people would do it if they saw a few dollars off their bill every month. There would also be people in rural areas realizing that there is no reason why they can't install a larger rotor and reduce their electric bill by even more. I firmly believe any marketing for such a device has to be based on the money savings. Yes, there are people who find conservation to be a good thing, but there is a difference between us and someone who will only work for money. -Martin Klingensmith On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 09:06, Appal Energy wrote: Sorry Martin and Hakan, I'm afraid that I only skimmed through the page and the posts. When Hakan mentioned a void in the industry in the 150-200 watt range I disconnected and automatically presumed the void in the 150-200 kW range. I guess I just didn't grasp the concept of a half dozen or more anemometers on a single housetop or a rationale for why. Most houses need 400 watts and higher just to wake up and keep one eyelid propped open. My error...at least twice over. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 1:55 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine Appal, Read the article he wrote about it, he was talking about 150-200 watt turbines. -Martin Klingensmith On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 00:05, Appal Energy wrote: Sorry Hakan. If you were to ask me? I'd say it can't be done quite the way you would wish. Whether you choose vertical or horizontal axis turbines, the height of the foils themselves would preclude roof mount once you get past two or three horsepower - 1.5 to 2 kW. Even then the degree of elevation needed for foil clearance would require a micro-tower structure on top of a stable roof system and the roof would have to be at something akin to a summit to begin with. In all probability more advantageous to separate the housing unit from the elevating tower once you get beyond a few hundred watts. If you were in the 50 kW range, I would say that you could reduce your costs by building your own tower, presuming you had an engineer and welder who didn't mind working for chips and beer on weekends. With a bit 'o luck you could trade a keg or two of Sven's Black Powder Porter to the owner of the crane company to help you get the tower and turbine vertical. 'Course, you better make sure that the crane company owner is someone you can tolerate for the next 50 years, 'cause he's gonna' be around every other weekend to admire his handiwork and swill more beer. Beyond 50 kW? You're speaking of some reasonably serious industrial construction. While 200 kW sized units are few and far between, the technology and mechanics aren't a great deal different from a 600 kW or 1.5 mW unit. 200 kW is a boatload of output. You're speaking of powering a small subdivision or the residential side of a small but posh ski resort. Me thinks that if one is considering a scale of ~200kW, it's time to call your in-law banker and a few others with not necessarily too deep pockets who are looking for a way to shelter their money from depreciation. Perhaps by the time they down the third gin and tonic they might even be thinking on the scale of megawatt? Only so much you can do on a cobbler's budget. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine Todd and Robert, Please read my article, I am looking for 150 to 200 watt turbines at a very low price, that can be mounted on a villa roof in an urban area. -:) Sorry if I was not clear, it is difficult to explain. Hakan At 04:10 07/01/2004, you wrote: Appal Energy wrote: Hakan, Here are a couple of continental options. The 50 kw is not in production yet. http://www.bergey.com/excel.htmlhttp://www.bergey.com/excel.html http://www.bergey.com/Products/XL50.html http://www.bergey.com/http://www.bergey.com/ They've been in commercial production for close nigh to twenty-five years. Todd Swearingen The Bergeys are very robust machines. Their longevity in business is a tribute to their quality, and if I could afford one, I'd own one! Interestingly, however, I remember an article several years ago (I think it was in Home Power
Re: [biofuel] Diesel water injection - was Biodiesel burns hotter or cooler?
Keith Addison wrote: Hi Martin If it is in fact running hotter, you could use a water injection system to cool it down (and also increase efficiency a bit) ..or can you not do this with a diesel as you can with a gasoline engine? -Martin Klingensmith Water in Diesel Combustion Abstract: Addition of water to the diesel process decreases combustion temperatures and lowers NOx emissions. The most common methods of introducing water are direct injection into the cylinder, a process commercialized in certain marine and stationary diesel engines, and water-in-fuel emulsions. Emulsified fuels, due to increased mixing in the diesel diffusion flame, can be also effective in simultaneous reduction of PM and NOx emissions. Addition of Water to Diesel Process Fumigation of Water into Intake Air Direct Injection of Water Fuel Emulsions Practical Embodiments Addition of Water to Diesel Process Methods of Water Addition Addition of water into the diesel combustion process is a known method to reduce NOx and, in some implementations, simultaneously reduce NOx and PM emissions. The very notion of introducing water into the cylinder of the diesel engine may sound controversial. After all, engineers have been taking great care to accomplish the exact opposite and protect the combustion chamber from water contamination, be it from the fuel or from water condensation in intake air coolers. The controversy around water addition is founded on the observation that water droplets impinging on the cylinder walls can immediately destroy the lubrication oil film. This danger however, although very real, is posed exclusively by liquid water. Once water is evaporated, it can no longer affect the lube oil film [Holtbecker 1998]. Thus, water addition methods which ensure that water droplets cannot contact the cylinder liner surface may be considered harmless. Further concerns have been raised that increased concentrations of water vapor in engine cylinder may result in condensation of water and/or sulfuric acid leading to corrosion problems. Apparently, these suspicions are not justified either, as the dew point of sulfuric acid at very high water:fuel ratio of 1:1 is increased by only up to 15¡C [Vollenweider 1995]. Considering the temperatures in diesel combustion, condensation in the combustion chamber is not possible at any time. In general, water can be introduced into the diesel combustion process using one of the following methods: * Emulsified fuel * In-cylinder water injection * Water injection into the intake air Etc. It says emulsified fuel is the simplest and most effective of the three, by quite a wide margin. All very interesting. I wonder why we aren't adding water to our biodiesel instead of removing it? Best Keith I believe the issue comes with trying to figure out exactly how much water you have in your fuel, also with the belief that it may come out of emulsion perhaps? A device that could meter a certain amount of water into the fuel before the injector would be an interesting concept. On-demand creation of an emulsion with a piezo transducer comes to mind. Maybe an extra injector that fired water vapor during the intake stroke could do such a thing? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
