Re: [Framers] Running FM from external device?

[Ken Poshedly]

 Gang,

I wish to publicly thank Adobe for following through and remotely deactivating 
one of my two (legal) FrameMaker 10 installations. This is required so that I 
can install FM10 on a new laptop that I just purchased. It still remains to be 
seen if I can install FM from a thumb-drive (after copying the installation 
files from the original Adobe DVD).

As I described previously, the failing laptop (a Toshiba Satellite A205) where 
the second installation lies boots with a black screen (which cannot be 
rectified no matter what keystroke sequence I use). Therefore, I'm not able to 
open and then deactivate it myself on that laptop.

By the way, I'm willing to pass this laptop (minus the hard drive) on to anyone 
out there who wants it as a "project computer" to diddle with in your spare 
time. I'd ask only for the shipping fee. Interested individuals should please 
email me off this list.
-- Ken in Atlanta

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On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 10:27:07 AM EDT, Ken Poshedly 
 wrote:  
 
 Gang,

A little help requested here regarding my non-subscription installation of 
FrameMaker. Basically, can FM10 be run from an external hard drive? Also, can 
it be installed from a thumb-drive.

I legally own FrameMaker 10 and have no desire or need to upgrade (for 
financial and other reasons). I have installed it legally both on my desktop 
Windows 10 computer and (per the ULA) on my seldom-used Toshiba Windows 10 
laptop.

The problem is that the Toshiba is about six or more years old and literally 
failing. It booted up just fine a few months ago, but then last weekend it 
wouldn't power up at all -- even after leaving it connected to its wall-charger 
overnight. I was told that the internal laptop battery was simply too expired 
to take or hold an external charge, so I purchased a new laptop battery ($$$) 
and left it overnight with wall-charger connected.

The next morning, the laptop powered up but with a black screen. After 
researching that problem (using my trusty desktop computer) and running a 
procedure, I was able to boot the laptop, but this time got a totally white 
screen. The online advice leans towards possible internal repairs/replacement 
-- stuff that just too pricey to do on this thing.

So I purchased a "newly remanufactured" HP laptop with an SSD and loads more 
speed and capacity (just under $400 at my local MicroCenter).

Ideally, I'd like to "deactivate" the FM10 installation on the Toshiba HD, then 
install it on the new HP laptop. (And that would require copying everything 
from my Adobe FM10 DVD onto a thumb-drive because newer laptops just don't have 
DVD drives.)

But I can't do that because of the "white screen" problem with the Toshiba and 
I don't have access to an external monitor.

I can easily pop the Toshiba laptop hard drive out, stick it in a case and run 
it from the new HP laptop via a USB cable as an external hard drive, but will 
FM10 run using that arrangement?

If not, then I guess I'll have to phone Adobe for their support in this matter. 
And can they deactivate only the laptop installation? And can FM10 be 
reinstalled from a thumb-drive?

-- Ken in Atlanta
  
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Re: [Framers] Running FM from external device?

[Ken Poshedly]

Hey Sue — I’ll try this on Saturday. But how can I see what I’m doing on the 
laptop if the screen is nonfunctional?

— Ken in Atlanta 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:40 PM, Sue Thomson (Specialist RF) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ken
> 
> May we (my hardware/software engineer husband "and I") suggest a zero-cost 
> potential solution (to the question you didn't ask!):
> 
> A friend recently had a hardware issue like this with an older laptop 
> (totally unconnected with FrameMaker). It turned out that the button-cell in 
> the laptop, although needing replacing due to age, was not the culprit - it 
> was a problem with the bios. 
> 
> You may already know this but for readers who don't, the bios chip is an 
> electrically-erasable ROM, which is basically a gazillion tiny capacitors. 
> Over the years the capacitors lose their charge and a "one" becomes a "zero", 
> or vice versa. So, you could download a new version of the bios from the 
> manufacturer's website, put that on a USB stick, and upgrade the bios on the 
> old machine. 
> 
> Note: You will need to set the bios to accept a boot from the USB key.
> 
> In our friend's case, as soon as the bios was updated the laptop booted and 
> performed beautifully.
> 
> If you choose to try this solution, please let us know if it resurrects your 
> old machine. (If you feel you need support with it, let me know and I'll put 
> you in touch directly with my husband.)
> 
> Sue T
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Poshedly  
> Sent: 01 July 2022 15:27
> To: FrameMaker Users List 
> Subject: [Framers] Running FM from external device?
> 
> Gang,
> 
> A little help requested here regarding my non-subscription installation of 
> FrameMaker. Basically, can FM10 be run from an external hard drive? Also, can 
> it be installed from a thumb-drive.
> 
> I legally own FrameMaker 10 and have no desire or need to upgrade (for 
> financial and other reasons). I have installed it legally both on my desktop 
> Windows 10 computer and (per the ULA) on my seldom-used Toshiba Windows 10 
> laptop.
> 
> The problem is that the Toshiba is about six or more years old and literally 
> failing. It booted up just fine a few months ago, but then last weekend it 
> wouldn't power up at all -- even after leaving it connected to its 
> wall-charger overnight. I was told that the internal laptop battery was 
> simply too expired to take or hold an external charge, so I purchased a new 
> laptop battery ($$$) and left it overnight with wall-charger connected.
> 
> The next morning, the laptop powered up but with a black screen. After 
> researching that problem (using my trusty desktop computer) and running a 
> procedure, I was able to boot the laptop, but this time got a totally white 
> screen. The online advice leans towards possible internal repairs/replacement 
> -- stuff that just too pricey to do on this thing.
> 
> So I purchased a "newly remanufactured" HP laptop with an SSD and loads more 
> speed and capacity (just under $400 at my local MicroCenter).
> 
> Ideally, I'd like to "deactivate" the FM10 installation on the Toshiba HD, 
> then install it on the new HP laptop. (And that would require copying 
> everything from my Adobe FM10 DVD onto a thumb-drive because newer laptops 
> just don't have DVD drives.)
> 
> But I can't do that because of the "white screen" problem with the Toshiba 
> and I don't have access to an external monitor.
> 
> I can easily pop the Toshiba laptop hard drive out, stick it in a case and 
> run it from the new HP laptop via a USB cable as an external hard drive, but 
> will FM10 run using that arrangement?
> 
> If not, then I guess I'll have to phone Adobe for their support in this 
> matter. And can they deactivate only the laptop installation? And can FM10 be 
> reinstalled from a thumb-drive?
> 
> -- Ken in Atlanta
> 
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[Framers] Running FM from external device?

[Ken Poshedly]

Gang,

A little help requested here regarding my non-subscription installation of 
FrameMaker. Basically, can FM10 be run from an external hard drive? Also, can 
it be installed from a thumb-drive.

I legally own FrameMaker 10 and have no desire or need to upgrade (for 
financial and other reasons). I have installed it legally both on my desktop 
Windows 10 computer and (per the ULA) on my seldom-used Toshiba Windows 10 
laptop.

The problem is that the Toshiba is about six or more years old and literally 
failing. It booted up just fine a few months ago, but then last weekend it 
wouldn't power up at all -- even after leaving it connected to its wall-charger 
overnight. I was told that the internal laptop battery was simply too expired 
to take or hold an external charge, so I purchased a new laptop battery ($$$) 
and left it overnight with wall-charger connected.

The next morning, the laptop powered up but with a black screen. After 
researching that problem (using my trusty desktop computer) and running a 
procedure, I was able to boot the laptop, but this time got a totally white 
screen. The online advice leans towards possible internal repairs/replacement 
-- stuff that just too pricey to do on this thing.

So I purchased a "newly remanufactured" HP laptop with an SSD and loads more 
speed and capacity (just under $400 at my local MicroCenter).

Ideally, I'd like to "deactivate" the FM10 installation on the Toshiba HD, then 
install it on the new HP laptop. (And that would require copying everything 
from my Adobe FM10 DVD onto a thumb-drive because newer laptops just don't have 
DVD drives.)

But I can't do that because of the "white screen" problem with the Toshiba and 
I don't have access to an external monitor.

I can easily pop the Toshiba laptop hard drive out, stick it in a case and run 
it from the new HP laptop via a USB cable as an external hard drive, but will 
FM10 run using that arrangement?

If not, then I guess I'll have to phone Adobe for their support in this matter. 
And can they deactivate only the laptop installation? And can FM10 be 
reinstalled from a thumb-drive?

-- Ken in Atlanta
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[Framers] elusive transparent background

[Ken Poshedly]

Hey Gang,

Here's my predicament. I'm using FM 10.0 (which I own), Adobe Acrobat Pro 
Version 9.0 (which I also own) and Adobe PhotoShop CS4 Version 11.0 (again, 
which I also own).

I'm trying to paste a png file (it's the logo for an organization) with 
transparent background into a frame (front cover the the organizations's 
journal) with a certain color (the exact color is irrelevant for this 
discussion). I've opened the png file in Photoshop to confirm the background is 
transparent (checkbox pattern displays).

But the background of the png image file always displays as a white box once 
it's in place in the frame on the cover of the journal.

I've tried importing the png graphic by reference, by "Copy into document" and 
even by doing a direct paste via Ctrl-V but with the same results every time 
(white background in the boxed graphic).

Help please? I'm glad to work with someone off-list and send them the files to 
experiment with.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] Automated index or list of keywords in Frame or Word?

[Ken Poshedly]

 Let's see . . . so they want it done but nobody above you has time to support 
you. And there is a time crunch and other restrictions. Yep, heard that before.

I recall in the early 2000s using a FrameMaker-friendly program called Ixgen 
that seems to me to do what you require. It worked great.

The program is apparently still alive and kicking with more info available at
 http://www.fsatools.com/ixgencentral.htm
The initial license is only $249.00, which should not be a financial burden to 
the university.
I hope this helps. Happy New Year!

-- Ken in Atlanta
*

On Friday, December 31, 2021, 01:45:20 PM EST, Harding, Dan 
 wrote:  
 
 Good afternoon,

First a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the list!

By way of background:

I have been typesetting an annual textbook in FrameMaker for the last 15+ 
years. I retired at the end of September, but that's not the cause of my 
inquiry. I will be continuing to do the same work moving forward on a seasonal 
freelance basis. No, the changes are to other positions in the editorial 
workflow and a necessary streamlining of the processes involved.

The book that is produced, while existing in PDF formats for electronic access 
by course attendees, is still primarily a printed work. We've had internal 
discussions regarding discontinuing the traditional index given the labor 
involved, given that people typically use Ctrl-f in the PDFs, however this is 
of no use to a person who only has the printed book. Even if there is no 
contextual index with content organized into entries, sub-entries, etc. (we've 
typically gone 3-4 levels deep), IMO there needs to at least be an alphabetical 
list of major terms/concepts with corresponding page numbers, i.e., a 
"poor-man's index."

Historically, the insertion of index markers has been done in Microsoft Word 
after the technical and stylistic editing is done, immediately prior to import 
into Frame, with further refinement and reconciliation all done within Frame. 
This insertion of index markers has been a manual process, but the position 
doing this work is being eliminated, and the SMEs and editors do not have the 
time in the process (or expertise) to take on this process. Outsourcing is not 
an option, given the idiosyncratic industry jargon that is used; any general 
indexing service or freelancer wouldn't have the background in our specific 
industry to be able to effectively index the material. We've tried using 
external services to do this in the past and it failed dismally due to the lack 
of context by the party(ies) doing the indexing. There won't be time or 
resources to take on a learning curve once we're in the midst of production or 
to vet the work at that point.

I realize full well that there is an art/skill to creating an effective index. 
I'm not arguing that. However, for expediency moving forward this manual 
process needs to be eliminated, so I am looking for alternative automated 
solutions that will get us part of the way there.

The chapters are produced at different times over a 6-month period, with 
initial index entry reconciliation work starting at approximately the 4 month 
mark, and the majority of the reconciliation work being done at the very tail 
end of the production process immediately prior to going to press (so very 
small window to complete the final work in Frame).

So I am looking for suggestions for either of the following:

1. Microsoft Word-based methods or plugins that will create a keyword/key-term 
list and insert index markers that will then flow through into FrameMaker upon 
import. It needs to create and insert the Word index markers; it cannot be a 
manual insertion process once a list is created.

2. Script/plugin for FrameMaker that does the same after the Word content is 
imported. Again, it needs to be an automated process that creates and inserts 
the index markers, understanding that some refinement and reconciliation will 
be needed.

If we need to incorporate the manual creation of a general terms list that 
chapters are then automated against, or manual vetting of a generated list, 
that presumably could be incorporated into the editorial stages prior to 
typesetting.

I'm open to other suggestions, however we are not moving the typesetting 
production out of FrameMaker at this time, nor are we looking to contract with 
a service for this work on an ongoing basis. If there are one-time up-front 
development costs that results in something turn-key and sustainable moving 
forward, that would be considered, but we are looking to avoid recurring 
expenses.

Thank you in advance for any input/suggestions.

-Dan Harding
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Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal

[Ken Poshedly]

 For better or worse, and until it completely fails (which it hasn't), I'm 
still with FM 10.0, having started with version 5.5 back in 1998.
-- Ken in Atlanta
**

On Thursday, September 23, 2021, 12:41:15 PM EDT, Harding, Dan 
 wrote:  
 
 YIKES! This reinforces my notion to stay with my perpetually licensed 15.x. 
The entire subscription/profile-based model is user-hostile IMO.

-Dan


-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Alan Houser
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2021 10:27 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal

Just so you know that "you're not alone" ... I have a customer who is totally 
locked out of FrameMaker because of this issue, during a critical project 
period. They are not happy.

-Alan

On 9/23/21 11:13 AM, Sue Thomson wrote:
> Hi folks
>
> I use FrameMaker (as part of Technical Communication Suite), and a number of 
> Creative Cloud apps (mainly Illustrator but I also use others occasionally) 
> all day. I usually run FrameMaker and Illustrator at the same time, switching 
> between them tens of times during the day.
>
> I recently updated FrameMaker from v16.0.2 to 16.0.3. When I restarted 
> FrameMaker I was prompted to choose an Adobe Profile. The choice was Business 
> or Personal. There was no way (that I could see) to progress without making a 
> choice.
>
> I had not heard of these profiles before so I looked at the guidance on the 
> page and chose Business.
>
> Oh, boy! How I wish I had not updated FrameMaker. These profiles are causing 
> me no end of trouble.
>
> Our IT department has been talking to Adobe, and IT tells me that Adobe says… 
> TCS and FM are only available under Personal profile, Creative Cloud apps are 
> only available under Business profile.
>
> This means that now, every time I want to switch between two applications 
> (which have been running perfectly happily, side-by-side, for years), I have 
> to sign out of one profile and sign back in under the other profile. The 
> applications, of course, close each time I sign out. If I don’t change 
> profiles, then either FrameMaker or Illustrator (depending upon how I am 
> signed in) claims to be a trial version, with a countdown.
>
> Oddly, if I right-click on an image in FrameMaker I still get the same old 
> choices to edit the image – i.e. Illustrator and Photoshop are still on the 
> list of options.
>
> Has anyone else come across issues with these new profiles? Am I missing a 
> trick somewhere?
>
> I’ve been using FrameMaker, on-and-off, since v7.2 but this change is making 
> me re-evaluate my tools. I’m seriously wondering if it is time to give up on 
> Adobe and switch to something more useable.
>
> Sue Thomson MISTC
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Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

[Ken Poshedly]

 At least something to think about when that time arrives.
**

On Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 5:54:29 PM EDT, Fred Ridder 
 wrote:  
 
 Ummm, how does $29.95/month or $359.88/year (with the generous 0% prepayment 
discount...) translate into "a grand (or whatever)" for a FrameMaker 
subscription? Sure, that's pretty steep if you're only working on a single 
contract, but it's less than half the single-license purchase price in the 
pre-subscription days.

-FR


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Ken Poshedly 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 4:58 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

My turn. And I know that I'm not alone with what I describe below.

So now that I am doing occasional contract work with FM10, I fear that at some 
time, I also will need to upgrade my desktop hardware and attempt an FM10 
reinstall and may encounter the same thing Bodvar did.
With a giant catalog of various FM files on my desktop, what are my options? 
I've been using Word since the mid-1990s, but totally dislike it and its 
propensity to glitch and do its own thing.
Subscribing to FM2020 (or whatever) for a grand (or whatever) is just not going 
to work for me (on SS and doing some contract work).
-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.

[Ken Poshedly]

 My turn. And I know that I'm not alone with what I describe below.

So now that I am doing occasional contract work with FM10, I fear that at some 
time, I also will need to upgrade my desktop hardware and attempt an FM10 
reinstall and may encounter the same thing Bodvar did.
With a giant catalog of various FM files on my desktop, what are my options? 
I've been using Word since the mid-1990s, but totally dislike it and its 
propensity to glitch and do its own thing.
Subscribing to FM2020 (or whatever) for a grand (or whatever) is just not going 
to work for me (on SS and doing some contract work).
-- Ken in Atlanta
**
On Tuesday, August 10, 2021, 4:27:37 PM EDT, Peter Gold 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi, Sayed

My FM roots began with v. 2.0 on Mac! Thanks for the link to  the FM -
Affinity comparison at fixthephoto. I found its information unhelpful from
a user's POV.

More power to you for having the ability to use major tools like LaTeX!

Hoping to hear from Böðvar on his Affinity experience.

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021, 3:01 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain 
wrote:

> I have no real clue about Affinity, but you may find this interesting:
> https://fixthephoto.com/adobe-framemaker-vs-affinity-publisher.html
>
> For me, I switched to LaTeX (for my technical documents) after FM12 when
> the pricing/upgrade costs went berserk (IMHO), and from InDesign (minimal
> use really) and Photoshop to various Xara tools - now integrated into their
> Designer Pro lineup.
>
> The price is right for those replacement tools, and they do exactly what I
> need from them. With rational licensing and upgrade prices!
>
> YMMV, of course.
>
> Z
>
> Pardon my harping on these in a FrameMaker mailing list ... I feel that as
> an early adopter of FM (version 1.3, as I recall, on a Sun 3/50 back in
> 1988), I have earned the right a bit, I hope! 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On Behalf Of Böðvar Björgvinsson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 12:44 PM
> To: framers 
> Subject: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.
>
> Hello all you great people!
>
> Sorry for the (Adobe) rant.
>
> Due to my laptop's old age I found myself needing a new pc, a desktop this
> time. All is well with everything but Adobe FM. I recently tried to install
> my FM12 which I had lost any info about, and got a categorical No Go from
> Adobe Support (contradiction in terms).
>
> However I managed to install my FM 10, legally bought with CD and all (for
> two computers but only one using it at a time) and got it set up and
> working OK. Only, when I tried to use it again, I got a message that it
> needs activation with Adobe. I ended up contacting Adobe online support who
> finally sent me an update and everything went well—for the time being.
>
> Now, some 10-15 days later I started FM10, only to find that it wanted
> activation with Adobe and I had 15 days until it would not be working at
> all. At first it said, no Internet. Then it said I was connected and I
> tried and I got the message that I had no internet connection and would
> have to try again (and some other variation and try again.
>
> The recommended webpage is of little or no help.
>
> So finally I contacted Adobe online support. It took them approx. 90
> minutes to figure it out. The product was too old for their databases. I
> gave the guy access to my PC and he started digging. Finally I had to
> uninstall and reinstall the FM upon which he sent me some kind of update
> (license key, probably) which he didn't manage to obey, and the same all
> over again. Then I remembered the update (TCS3) which he installed and then
> the other update and all went well. He told me he had given it a new
> license key (serial number) registered to my name. I hope for the best! And
> I really recommend those guys on the Adobe online support.
>
> But I think I am permanently giving up on Adobe. Nowadays they seem only
> to want your money. And a lot of it. Working now on probably my last FM
> project.
>
> Going for Affinity from now on, which seems fabulous software.
>
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[Framers] FM10 templates

[Ken Poshedly]

Hey gang,
I'm now doing a company newsletter (contract job) and could use some help in 
locating a few FrameMaker 10 (yes, "10") newsletter templates. (I'm retired and 
on SS, so upgrading to subscription-only FM is out of the question. Plus, I own 
what I have and it works just fine for my needs.)
My client is a family-owned construction company and I have a sample of one of 
the previous company newsletters (done in [ugh!] Word), but prefer to do mine 
in Frame, since Word just seems to glitch frequently with me. The sample is 
attractive, but has no general layout "theme" (at least to me).

I've done the usual online search and see nice things, but prefer not to have 
to actually build headings and styles and such from scratch if a ready-made 
template is available.

So any ideas for FM10 newsletter templates? Anybody? Beuhler?
-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] can someone take the reins?

[Ken Poshedly]

FWIW, try Facebook. Even if there is/are more than one Brad with the same last 
name, you can private message them one at a time to find out who’s who.

— Ken in Atlanta

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2021, at 3:49 PM, Carol J. Elkins  wrote:
> 
> At 01:10 PM 6/26/2021, Peter Gold wrote:
>> I believe domain owners' contact information is publicly available at the 
>> registrar.
> 
> 
> The phone number on the domain registration is the number I left a message 
> for. On Monday, I will contact Finite Matters and see if they can put me in 
> contact with him.
> 
> The folks on this list are just simply great. I've had several people respond 
> off list and as soon as I make the last-ditch effort to track Brad down, I'll 
> get a couple of the new volunteers trained up. We are going to have to figure 
> out a more long-term solution for domain ownership, though, so finding Brad 
> is a priority for me. I'm hoping he will be willing to transfer the domain to 
> someone else.
> 
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Re: [Framers] ALERT: MESSAGES FROM poshe...@bellsouth.net ARE HACKED

[Ken Poshedly]

 Carol,
My email system was hacked so no, I have sent nothing to anybody via Dropbox.

I've just now changed my password to hopefully stop more occurrences of this.

Thanks for your understanding.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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On Monday, October 5, 2020, 1:44:13 PM EDT, FrameUsers Admin 
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 Framers, it looks like one of our member's email account has been 
hacked. You may receive messages from poshe...@bellsouth.net directly 
to your inbox rather than via this Framers listserv. Please do not 
click the link in the message (it purportedly goes to a Dropbox 
document). I will contact Ken to see what is going on, but in the 
meantime I wanted to get out this alert as quickly as possible.

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Re: [Framers] ALERT: MESSAGES FROM poshe...@bellsouth.net ARE HACKED

[Ken Poshedly]

 Tammy,
My email system was hacked so no, I have sent nothing to anybody via Dropbox.

I've just now changed my password to hopefully stop more occurrences of this.

Thanks for your understanding.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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On Monday, October 5, 2020, 2:09:07 PM EDT, tammyvb 
 wrote:  
 
 
Yep, got one of these messages this am and just deleted it.Sent from Samsung 
Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: FrameUsers Admin  
Date: 10/5/20  11:41 AM  (GMT-07:00) To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: 
[Framers] ALERT: MESSAGES FROM poshe...@bellsouth.net ARE HACKED Framers, it 
looks like one of our member's email account has been hacked. You may receive 
messages from poshe...@bellsouth.net directly to your inbox rather than via 
this Framers listserv. Please do not click the link in the message (it 
purportedly goes to a Dropbox document). I will contact Ken to see what is 
going on, but in the meantime I wanted to get out this alert as quickly as 
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[Framers] my mailbox was hacked

[Ken Poshedly]

To all,
My email system was hacked so no, I have sent nothing to anybody via Dropbox.

I've just now changed my password to hopefully stop more occurrences of this.

Thanks for your understanding.
-- Ken in Atlanta

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[Framers] Hacked email account

[Ken Poshedly]

To all,
My email system was hacked so no, I have sent nothing to anybody via Dropbox.

I've just now changed my password to hopefully stop more occurrences of this.

Thanks for your understanding.
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Re: [Framers] (Re)install Frame 12 and Acrobat Pro 10

[Ken Poshedly]

 Note that "deactivating" is different from "deleting". If you delete 
FrameMaker from your existing platform before actually "deactivating" it, you 
may be SOL regarding "activating" a new installation on your new box. Or maybe 
not.

***

On Monday, September 28, 2020, 1:45:13 PM EDT, Jeff Coatsworth 
 wrote:  
 
 Depending on your licensing model, your installation media may be available 
through the licensing server or your Adobe.com account.

You'll need to deactivate FM on the old machine first.

On the new machine, load Acrobat Pro first & keep an eye on FM so that it 
doesn't clobber the Acrobat version with the "headless" one that ships with FM.



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Theresa de Valence 
Sent: September 28, 2020 1:39 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] (Re)install Frame 12 and Acrobat Pro 10

Hope you folks can give me some guidance.

On a new box (Win 10) I'd like to install Frame 12 and Acrobat Pro 10.

Am I correct in believing that Frame 12 can be downloaded from Adobe
website account?

I have the DVD for Adobe Acrobat Pro 10. I remember something tricky
about loading one of those programs first, but don't remember which one.

Thanks for all the great reading you framers have given me over the years.

Regards,
Theresa



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[Framers] image background problem

[Ken Poshedly]

A question about an image technique that I've never been able to master but it 
seems everybody else has -- dropping out a white background. I've been assigned 
with producing a company newsletter formerly done in Word. And though I do use 
Word when I have to, I'm 22 years into FrameMaker and -- other than this -- 
it's usually so damn easy to do these things in Frame.

The original newsletter (in Word) has a colorful banner with lettering across 
top of the first page. I can copy the main graphic element (a stylized color 
bar with a curved lower edge, similar to the Nike "swoosh") from the Word file 
and paste it onto the top of page 1 of the new Frame file, but I need to delete 
a white area from the lower portion of that graphic (easier shown than 
described; contact me off-list and we can do a share-screen Zoom thing so I can 
show you what I mean).

I used Adobe Photoshop CS4 to "apparently" successfully delete that white 
portion from that jpg file; the formerly white area of the original image is 
now the familiar grey checkerboard. I saved that modified image as a psd file. 

But when I imported the new (psd) image to partly overlay another graphic 
element on the first page of the FrameMaker 10 version of the newsletter, the 
imported graphic still has that white area which overlays the other graphic 
element. Which is what I don't want.

What didn't I do or what am I doing wrong? Whatever was done in Word should 
more easily be done in Frame, or so I thought.

Help please?
-- Ken in Atlanta
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[Framers] FrameMaker and transparency

[Ken Poshedly]

Ladies & Gents,

Short question: Does FrameMaker 10 support transparency (i.e., no background) 
in imported graphics or not?

Details: I've created a "Text Frame" (not a Graphic Frame) on a page in a new 
document which has, of course, the usual frame for text flow. So that's a newly 
created Text Frame ON TOP OF a system-created "text flow frame" on a blank 
page. Then, in FrameMaker 10, I used 40 percent Royal Blue as the Fill for the 
new Text Frame.

I then inserted my text into the new tinted Text Frame and inserted (by 
reference) a small graphic saved as a psd file which I've modified in Photoshop 
CS4 to have a transparent background (checkerboard pattern where the white 
background had originally been).

In this case, the text warns the readership of the journal that I edit to be 
responsible and not open certain e-mails (and you know the rest). I've found a 
small little anti-virus symbol to use with that text (a red-framed triangle 
with an exclamation point and the word "Virus" inside the triangle -- like a 
European road sign). The original version of the graphic was a jpg which had a 
white background around the triangle; so, like I said, I used Photoshop CS4 to 
do the layering-thing and delete the white background around the triangle, then 
saved the new image as a psd file (and also as a png file). The newly modified 
image looks just right.

But when I import (by reference) the psd (or even the png) version of that new 
image, the area around the red triangle still shows as white inside the tinted 
Text Frame. So it displays (and prints on a color laserjet printer) as a white 
box with the red-framed triangle inside the the blue-tinted Text Frame.

I checked various resources, including Adobe and YouTube videos, about doing 
the transparent layering thing and I am apparently doing that part correctly.

So is this a limitation of FrameMaker 10 (to not recognize transparent layers 
or whatever) or am I missing something? I would be most happy to take this off 
-list and send the image (and even the FM file) to whoever wants to take a stab 
at this.

Or must I somehow learn how to set the area surrounding the red triangle to the 
same color as the blue tint in the Text Frame in the FrameMaker 10 doc. And how 
to do THAT?

By the way, I do not have the resources or desire (especially in these tough 
times) to "upgrade" to a new FM version with a perpetual monthly fee.
-- Ken in Atlanta

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

[Ken Poshedly]

Images / attachments not allowed on this list.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Richard Melanson  wrote:
> 
> Where did my picture go??
> 
> 
> Richard Melanson
> Technical Writer|HighRes Biosolutions
> T:781.932.1912x1160|rmelan...@highresbio.com
> www.highresbio.com???
> 
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> from your system.  Thank you.-Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 8:20 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: RE: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015
> 
> I too was on a Sun 3/50. Then moved to Windows, see the attached picture.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rmelanson=highresbio@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 8:11 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015
> 
> For me, it was 1988 (FM version 3, I think?) on a Sun 3/50 (the one where the 
> B/W monitor was physically attached to the top of the computer chassis pizza 
> box).
> 
> Peter, the first Windows version was FM 4, I think ... I beta tested it for 
> Frame Technology then. Came on floppy disks (I think I still have them around 
> here somewhere)!
> 
> Side-bar for those who remember the competition: when you ran spell-check in 
> FM 3, it would correct the word "Interleaf" to "FrameMaker". :)
> 
> Z
> 
> Robert Lauriston said:
> I believe the first time I used FrameMaker it was version 2.0 on a Next cube.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 2:53 PM Peter Gold  
>> wrote:
>> Some of us are old enough to remember using Escape-key sequences with 
>> FM 3 on Unix, Mac, and Windows. Do we win anything other than being 
>> grateful that our memories are still functioning? BOOM! ;)
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Re: [Framers] Acrobat glitches

[Ken Poshedly]

 Mine is a Windows 10 system and I use Firefox as my browser. And no, I did not 
change any browser or other settings. After seeing replies by Messrs. 
Coatsworth and Lauriston, I checked the Firefox "Options" settings.

And sure enough, pdf files were set to be handled by something other than Adobe 
Acrobat 9.0.  I now have it set correctly and it works properly again.

Just curious, but could have/did Adobe Reader do this? I had made NO other 
changes before this started happening.
Thanks, you guys!
-- Ken in Atlanta
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 Which applications open which files is a browser setting.
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[Framers] Acrobat glitches

[Ken Poshedly]

OK Gang,

While not directly a FrameMaker problem, it IS Adobe-related and I don't know 
how to fix it.

Up until Tuesday of this week, all pdf files that I accessed -- whether they 
are on my on terminal or online -- automatically opened in Adobe Acrobat 9 
Professional (which I legitimately own).

On Tuesday morning, my son emailed me an I-9 form as a pdf file that required 
electronic completion. (It is from a prospective employer for him and he was 
not computer-literate enough to handle it.) That file would not open in my 
Acrobat app, probably because it was created with a much newer version of 
Acrobat (or similar tool). Instead, I got an Adobe Acrobat error box stating 
"Invalid enumerated value" faults on several lines.

So I downloaded Adobe Reader DC so that at least I could open the I-9 file. So 
far, so good. I was then able to electronically complete the form (name and 
address data). Great. So I closed out Adobe Reader but left it installed.

Later that day while trying to open an online pdf file that I needed to access, 
I discovered that instead of letting me view the file, my system now downloads 
the file (into my Downloads folder) where I can open it in my Acrobat 9 
Professional application.

This is NOT what I want, I just wanted to VIEW it online. So I figured the new 
Adobe Reader installation somehow affected things, so I uninstalled Reader. But 
that didn't help. As a matter of fact, I then began getting a error box when I 
opened any pdf file in Acrobat telling me that my license had expired and I 
needed to uninstall and then reinstall Acrobat (or else consult with my IT 
administrator).

I then uninstalled Acrobat 9, then re-installed it. Well, the expired license 
error box no longer pops up, but my system still refuses to open online pdf 
files for me to view but only downloads them (and I can then open them in 
Acrobat).

I also have FrameMaker 10 installed, but that has NEVER been a problem and it 
is not part of this mess.

So what gives? What was changed and how can I set things back to the way they 
were before that danged Reader app was installed and uninstalled so that I can 
view online pdf files?
-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

[Ken Poshedly]

 To all,
This is what I plan to do and then try my best.
Thanks to all . . .
-- Ken in Atlanta

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020, 11:04:43 AM EST, Shmuel Wolfson 
 wrote:  
 
 If your main job will be technical writing, I think you should just take 
the job and learn as you go. There are online tutorials. Lynda.com has 
courses in Flare.

Good luck.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133


On 28-Feb-20 7:20 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote:
> Group,
>
> At a job interview yesterday (February 27), one of the folks I met with 
> stated her hopes that besides the usual technical writing duties, she plans 
> for a modernization of one of the company's web pages. Her comment was that 
> "It's so 1980s."
>
> While I've done online content here and there, I've not done really 
> full-blown, overall web site design or redesigns. The staff person (a vice 
> president) said that the current page was done using MadCap Flare.
>
> Due to the EXTREMELY restrictive policies at my previous employer (where I 
> worked for nine and one-half years before the tech pubs function was 
> outsourced), we weren't permitted to spend any money on upgrades to our 
> software or learn new ones. Thus, I have no experience with MadCap Flare.
>
> So I ask about the learning curve; I'm already a 22-year user of FrameMaker, 
> Acrobat Pro (version 9, an oldie) and other tools. So how similar are these 
> two (FM and Flare) to each other? And if I spend a few hours a day using the 
> trial version, any idea on my proficiency?
>
> I know this open-ended, but it's really new territory for me. Plus, I won't 
> even know if I get the job for a few days or weeks. Just trying to plan ahead.
>
> Thanks all.
>
> -- Kenpo in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] OT: Re: Free is good

[Ken Poshedly]

 Thanks Carol.
Will do that now.
-- Ken
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 wrote:  
 
 Ken, if a Framer doesn't take you up on your offer, consider posting 
it to Freecycle.org. It is an international network of people giving 
and taking free stuff. I use it a lot.

Carol

At 09:12 AM 3/2/2020, Ken Poshedly wrote:
>Gang,
>
>While not strictly FrameMaker-related, please indulge me this one 
>time. About 6 years ago, we purchased a Pandigital Novel e-reader 
>for my son who was in college at the time. Now, it just sits unused 
>and I'd like to find a new home for it.

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[Framers] Free is good

[Ken Poshedly]

Gang,

While not strictly FrameMaker-related, please indulge me this one time. About 6 
years ago, we purchased a Pandigital Novel e-reader for my son who was in 
college at the time. Now, it just sits unused and I'd like to find a new home 
for it. I'm willing to send it to whoever (whomever?) wants it along with a 
two-sided color printout of the owner's manual. The device works well and is 
equipped with the Android operating system. Might anyone here be interested? 
Like the subject in the message header says, "Free is good." I don't want to 
donate it to Goodwill or the like since I know it will have an unhappy ending 
in a garbage can. Feel free to reach me either here or off-list.

-- Kenpo in Atlanta


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[Framers] Kudos to Adobe

[Ken Poshedly]

Gang,

Because at least one Adobe staffer that I know of frequents this list, I'd like 
to offer my own shout-out to Adobe for helping me with a nasty problem a few 
weeks ago.

It was only after trying to access the Windows 10 program called "Moviemaker" 
on my home-based terminal, not finding it and then not being able to get it to 
download from the Microsoft Store website that I discovered that my Windows 10 
installation was corrupted (probably from a small power glitch that was too 
weak to blink the lights).

While my third-party apps worked just fine, getting Moviemaker was a problem 
and even getting a similar, supposedly built-in app called "Photos" to open was 
also a problem. That meant literally several weeks of online, screen-sharing 
episodes with Microsoft technicians who were very patient and showed me what 
was corrupted and not repairable. We tried many times to reinstall Windows 10 
as an overlay, so as not to disrupt my programs and folders and files, but to 
no avail. This meant a "custom re-installation" of Windows 10 that would, you 
guessed it, essentially reformat my C-drive and leave me to reinstall my 
thtird-party apps.

As I stated in my previous email about MadCap Flare, my previous employer 
refused to allow us to upgrade our software or learn new tools. That's why my 
tech pubs group remained with six-year-old versions of FrameMaker, Acrobat, and 
so forth. (Although one former manager purchased software, then decided not to 
use and gave it to us.)

So when it came time for me to legally reinstall my oldie-but-goodie version of 
FrameMaker on my home-based platform, but couldn't locate my original 
installation CD, I contacted Adobe, fearing the worst from seeing long-ago 
horror stories posted by other tech writers. The Adobe tech support person 
really came through for me (after verifying my product key/serial number) to 
download my version of FM onto my terminal, install it and then test it to make 
sure it opened and functioned properly.

Thank you Adobe!

I also urge everybody to download and use Belarc Advisor to record and store a 
data file of literally every piece of hardware and software on your platform.

Thanks again,

-- Kenpo in Atlanta
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[Framers] MadCap Flare

[Ken Poshedly]

Group,

At a job interview yesterday (February 27), one of the folks I met with stated 
her hopes that besides the usual technical writing duties, she plans for a 
modernization of one of the company's web pages. Her comment was that "It's so 
1980s."

While I've done online content here and there, I've not done really full-blown, 
overall web site design or redesigns. The staff person (a vice president) said 
that the current page was done using MadCap Flare.

Due to the EXTREMELY restrictive policies at my previous employer (where I 
worked for nine and one-half years before the tech pubs function was 
outsourced), we weren't permitted to spend any money on upgrades to our 
software or learn new ones. Thus, I have no experience with MadCap Flare.

So I ask about the learning curve; I'm already a 22-year user of FrameMaker, 
Acrobat Pro (version 9, an oldie) and other tools. So how similar are these two 
(FM and Flare) to each other? And if I spend a few hours a day using the trial 
version, any idea on my proficiency?

I know this open-ended, but it's really new territory for me. Plus, I won't 
even know if I get the job for a few days or weeks. Just trying to plan ahead.

Thanks all.

-- Kenpo in Atlanta
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[Framers] Windows 10 woes affecting Adobe installs

[Ken Poshedly]

Folks,

Due to a corrupted file (or files) somewhere in my Windows 10 
installation, I may be faced with having to do a "custom 
reinstallation" of that operating system.


I learned of this problem (the corrupted files) only after trying to 
run two different supposedly "built-in" Windows 10 apps ("Moviemaker" 
and "Photos"), but neither show up in my system and I got an error 
pop-up box when I tried to download them from the online Microsoft 
Store (they're both free).


Telephone support and remote access by Microsoft technicians 
confirmed this problem and various attempts have been made over the 
past three weeks to reinstall Windows 10 on top of the current 
installation without messing with my current apps and files, but to 
no avail; the attempted reinstallations all took almost all night in 
every case and resulted in a black desktop screen with no window like 
we're used to seeing, no folder/file icons and an empty, 
nonfunctional task bar at the bottom of the screen. More details can 
be provided, but it's just too much to go into here.)


ANYWAY, I did locate my FrameMaker 10 installation file (yep, that's 
what I have and can't afford to bump it up and do NOT want to pay a 
perpetual monthly subscription fee), my Adobe Acrobat Version 9 
Professional installation CD (another oldie-but-goodie) and their 
product keys (serial numbers).


I know that a Windows 10 "custom reinstallation" will wipe out all my 
stuff, but I have my data backed up on an external hard drive.


I know that before doing the Windows 10 custom reinstallation, I must 
first deactivate FrameMaker, then reinstall it after the Windows 10 
custom reinstallation is successful and use the FrameMaker product 
key to once more activate it. I did this once before when moving FM10 
from one computer to another and was much relieved when it worked.


But my Acrobat installation has all of a sudden been acting up since 
last Friday. (Perhaps a Microsoft technician inadvertently deleted 
something? I don't know because it was all done very quickly.)


Now, after a few seconds of Acrobat being open, a pop-up in the 
middle of the screen appears. The pop-up title is "Licensing for this 
product has stopped working". The body text in the pop-up states the following:


"You cannot use this product at this time. You must repair the 
problem by  uninstalling and reinstalling this product or contacting 
your IT administrator or Adobe customer support for help." The number 
"148:3" in parentheses appears below the body text.  Clicking on the 
OK button at the bottom right or the "X" at the top right of the 
pop-up closes the program.


I _can_, however, open the program and QUICKLY get it to print before 
the pop-up appears, but that's it.


Also, the nonfunctionality of Acrobat prevents FrameMaker from 
distilling generated postscript files into pdf files. When I click on 
a "ps" file, Distiller opens but a pop-up immediately appears on top 
of it with a red ball and white "X" and body text stating:



Unable to find "Adobe PDF" resource files.

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Adobe9.0\Acrobat\AMT"

You must have Administrator priveleges to install these files. Please 
contact your local system administrator.



(The asterisks here are mine. The quote marks are part of the actual 
body text.)


Clicking on the OK button at the bottom right or the "X" at the top 
right of the pop-up closes Distiller.


I have checked my C-drive and the complete path DOES exist as stated 
and has what I believe are the necessary folders and other cryptic 
files needed to do the job.


I have absolutely NO friggin' idea what's going on here.

So:

1. Is any of this in any way familiar to any of you? And if so, what 
was your situation?


2. Adobe Acrobat does NOT have a "Deactivate" option under the "Help" 
drop-down, thus I nervously assume that it is not required before 
uninstalling it and reinstalling the program (whether it's on the 
same or a different computer), correct? Otherwise, what do I do?


Sorry to be so long-winded and detailed but I assume we're technical 
writers and that's what we do.


I can be reached off-list at poshe...@bellsouth.net

-- Ken in Atlanta

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Re: [Framers] Acrobat question

[Ken Poshedly]

 Thanks Art.

No updates available.

However, last night (Sunday), I spoke with my own local computer guru who I go 
to when all else has failed. After much discussion, he walked me through the 
procedure to disable spooling in Acrobat, which once more allows me to print a 
FrameMaker file to the Adobe PDF "printer" to get a postscript file.

I ran "Repair Acrobat Installation" in the Help tab this morning like you 
advised, but don't know if doing that actually did anything because, as I said 
above, I had already disabled spooling.

I still don't know how all of this happened in the first place.

But thanks once more for the good advice.

-- Ken in Atlanta



On Monday, August 12, 2019, 9:57:59 AM EDT, Art Campbell 
 wrote:  
 
 First, see if there are any Acrobat updates pending. (Help menu)
And while you're on the tab, see if there's a Repair Installation, which I
think would be less painful/risky than a reinstall.

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On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 7:23 PM Ken Poshedly  wrote:

> Gang,
>
> I don't know how, but somehow my Adobe Acrobat Professional 9.0 got
> corrupted. This became evident on Saturday while I tried to create a
> postscript file from FrameMaker (version 10).
> My procedure:
> 1. Click on Print, then get the Print Document window.
> 2. Click on Setup and get the Print Setup window.
> 3. Use the drop-down arrow to select Adobe PDF as the printer,
> 4. Click on the Properties button open another window to check (or
> uncheck, I forgot which) a box so the viewer uses only the document fonts
> and not the fonts on the viewer's own computer.
>
> Now, an Adobe PDF Document Properties window appears that is different
> from what I usually see. For one thing, it lists Default Settings as the
> ones I use for a hard copy printer that I use to print a large science
> journal that I do. The drop-down arrow next to that choice lists no other
> option.
>
> There's more, but this is wrong.
>
> So my questions are:
> 1. Did Microsoft drop down another of the lousy updates that convoluted my
> version of Acrobat? I did a check and found no updates in the past week or
> so, and this occurent is just in the last few days.
> 2.Can I reinstall Acrobat on top of what I already have (complete with the
> serial number) safely with it being "accepted"?
>
> I know that when goofing around with FrameMaker, one must "deactivate" the
> current version before installing it again anywhere because you only get
> two legal installations (an office and a home computer), and I do NOT want
> to be forced into buying a subscription.
> -- Kenpo in Atlanta
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[Framers] Acrobat question

[Ken Poshedly]

Gang,

I don't know how, but somehow my Adobe Acrobat Professional 9.0 got corrupted. 
This became evident on Saturday while I tried to create a postscript file from 
FrameMaker (version 10).
My procedure:
1. Click on Print, then get the Print Document window.
2. Click on Setup and get the Print Setup window.
3. Use the drop-down arrow to select Adobe PDF as the printer,
4. Click on the Properties button open another window to check (or uncheck, I 
forgot which) a box so the viewer uses only the document fonts and not the 
fonts on the viewer's own computer.

Now, an Adobe PDF Document Properties window appears that is different from 
what I usually see. For one thing, it lists Default Settings as the ones I use 
for a hard copy printer that I use to print a large science journal that I do. 
The drop-down arrow next to that choice lists no other option.

There's more, but this is wrong.

So my questions are:
1. Did Microsoft drop down another of the lousy updates that convoluted my 
version of Acrobat? I did a check and found no updates in the past week or so, 
and this occurent is just in the last few days.
2.Can I reinstall Acrobat on top of what I already have (complete with the 
serial number) safely with it being "accepted"? 

I know that when goofing around with FrameMaker, one must "deactivate" the 
current version before installing it again anywhere because you only get two 
legal installations (an office and a home computer), and I do NOT want to be 
forced into buying a subscription.
-- Kenpo in Atlanta

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[Framers] FrameMaker project (science journal follow-up)

[Ken Poshedly]

To all who have contacted me off-list,

I'm glad to say that I'm currently in touch with one of the list-members about 
taking on the science journal project, but I will be back here if things change.

It is good to know that there are so many of you out there willing to help out.

Thanks to all,

-- Ken in Atlanta
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[Framers] Help Wanted -- FrameMaker Project

[Ken Poshedly]

To all,

After 18 years of serving as editor and publisher of a quarterly astronomy 
journal as a hobby ("pro bono"), I've decided to pass it on to others within 
the parent organization to produce. The organization consists of just under 400 
professional and serious other astronomers worldwide who are involved with 
Earth-based solar system observations. Astronomy has been my biggest outside 
interest since I was a youngster in the early 1960s. But now I wish to enjoy 
the hobby more by getting out with my own scopes and other paraphernalia to 
enjoy the night skies with others. Plus, I'm pushing age 70 in a few months.

In my position, I received and proofread the science papers after they were 
already peer-reviewed for correctness by subject matter experts, then used 
FrameMaker to perform the usual electronic layout and produce the journal 
itself as two different pdf files (one for placement on the organization's ftp 
site for downloading by the membership and another -- much larger -- pdf file 
for transmittal to an outside firm that prints and distributes the hard copy 
version).

While I have secured another member of the organization to serve as editor, 
there is no one within the organization to do the production (that is, 
FrameMaker) side of things. Thus, I'm asking here if any of you would consider 
this position. 

First, knowledge about astronomy is NOT required. Second, we are prepared to 
pay a reasonable fee.

As stated above, the journal is released quarterly, with the first issue under 
the new personnel not due until December of this year.

Please contact me directly off-list so as not to clutter up things here. I will 
be glad to go into whatever excruciating detail interested persons want at that 
time and will be glad to direct them to the online location where the entire 
library of these journals can be found for their reference.
In case my email address doesn't show up correctly in the header of this email, 
I'm at poshe...@bellsouth.net

-- Ken in Atlanta





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Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

[Ken Poshedly]

Hey Pete,
I can only wish that my company was open-minded enough to allow us to upgrade 
what we have and even use different tools if so required.
Great explanation from you.
-- Ken in Atlanta

  From: Peter Gold 
 To: Ken Poshedly ; An email list for people using 
Adobe FrameMaker software.  
 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing
   
Hi, Ken:
Thanks for the brief trip through memory lane.
As to InDesign as a replacement for FrameMaker for technical publications, IMO 
one major obstacle to this is that designers, who are its target audience, are 
predominantly not technical-content authors. The FrameMaker community of users 
over the years are mostly technical writers who create original content; they 
also apply these skills to shape the content originated by subject-matter 
experts across the spectrum of technical and scientific professions, and 
submitted to them, into usable technical information. In other words, they're 
language experts, teachers, trainers, instructors, testers, information 
organizers, fact-checkers, editors and clarifiers, of information, and also 
technical-document publishers. FM has been the right tool to enable individuals 
to do both of these complex sets of tasks simultaneously.
It's not that InDesign isn't a good replacement. Since version CS 4, its book 
and related text-control tools compared well to FM's. But, it's just as 
difficult to get InDesign users to learn, create, and consistently use 
paragraph and character text styles (AKA FM "formats",) as it has been 
historically with Word, WordPerfect, FM, and others. In fact, InDesign has 
named styles for tables, objects, frames (containers), variables, page layouts, 
and so on.
But the foundational difference in the user base is that FrameMaker users have 
been primarily content developers and InDesign users have been primarily 
content presenters. Different skill sets, different intents. The foundational 
difference in the use of the tools, I believe, is that FrameMaker document sets 
are often created with the expectation that there will be future revisions, 
which informs their design, structure, methods, and organization. InDesign 
document sets are more often seen as one-time productions. So, there's a 
cultural difference about ongoing maintenance and revision, more due to the 
mindsets of the users, than to requirements of the tools. It is possible to 
progress from FrameMaker to InDesign as a corporate technical-documentation 
publishing system, but it shouldn't become mandatory because FrameMaker was 
intentionally killed off.
Progress is always slow and fast, depending on the pain and cost associated 
with it. Years ago, in the InDesign community users complained that their print 
provider demanded they submit material in specific non-InDesign formats, such 
as a certain level of PostScript, QuarkXpress, PDF or NOT PDF, etc. "It's too 
expensive to update our time-honored workflows and equipment. List members 
said, "Tell your providers that there are other providers who welcome your 
preferred output and they are hungry for business." One year, my wife and I 
each received our laminated and perforated new annual wallet health-plan ID 
cards on letter-size pages. The lamination covered the full page - card and 
huge blank area - front and back. I suggested to the membership director that I 
received other cards whose laminations only covered the card area, not the full 
page, and, with rising health-care costs, asking the vendor to change could 
save more than a few bucks. "They say their equipment can't do that." "Say 
other vendors would love your business." The next renewals came laminated only 
over the card areas. He said they saved bunches of money. Of course, my rates 
stayed the same.
As has been noted more than a few times, even the cost of simply upgrading FM 
to the next release isn't trivial. Changing from one major tool to another, 
converting legacy content, retraining, etc., are beyond trivial. Staying with a 
proven workflow has lots of value. Nothing wrong with this model…EXCEPT WHEN 
THE VENDOR INVALIDATES PREVIOUSLY PURCHASED LICENSES! That's bad faith on a 
corporate level. Unacceptable.
My 2 cents.


On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:

I may be a little off-topic, but here goes anyway . . . I've been using 
FrameMaker since 1998 when my company got version 5.5.6 and, as the saying 
goes, "I never looked back". We had been using WordPerfect for Windows (version 
7?) and I personally found it "clunky" to work with, especially in doing 
two-column layouts (text on left with one-column graphics on the right; yes, it 
can be done, but it was never as easy as with FM). While the rest of the tech 
pubs world is now up to FM2017, my current employer won't upgrade past FM 11.0 
(due to the "I-know-it-all" attitude of the guy who makes decisio

Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

[Ken Poshedly]

I may be a little off-topic, but here goes anyway . . . I've been using 
FrameMaker since 1998 when my company got version 5.5.6 and, as the saying 
goes, "I never looked back". We had been using WordPerfect for Windows (version 
7?) and I personally found it "clunky" to work with, especially in doing 
two-column layouts (text on left with one-column graphics on the right; yes, it 
can be done, but it was never as easy as with FM). While the rest of the tech 
pubs world is now up to FM2017, my current employer won't upgrade past FM 11.0 
(due to the "I-know-it-all" attitude of the guy who makes decisions about my 
group; another story for another day). 

Anyway . . . I recall in the early 2000's the fairly numerous posts that Adobe 
(which had purchased Frame Technology Corp.), was not really interested in 
upgrading it, but had gotten what it wanted (money from new sales and a huge 
fan-base) and was really trying to slowly let it "die on the vine" because 
Adobe really wanted to sell that fan-base on Adobe's own homegrown product, 
InDesign. There was always a periodic hue-and-cry about this and Adobe did wind 
up issuing updates over the years (although many still say the last good, solid 
version was FM 7.0). Adobe did actually drop the Macintoch version of FM.
Some folks compare Adobe tech support with "customer service" by Comcast (the 
cable TV company). Solely based in India and sort of nonexistant and 
super-deficient even if/when can get someone on the phone line.

So, nothing is forever and Adobe will someday probably deep-six FM for no good 
reason (just like NBC just cancelled the great TV show "Timeless", resulting in 
a HUGE online backlash about that. Lower-than-desired ratings don't seem to 
matter for other shows that still remain, however.).

I'm old enough to remember when competitors compared their "word processing 
software" to WordStar by MicroPro. I loved that program and all its keyboard 
shortcuts (oh, wait a minute, that's all we had because mouse-pointers hadn't 
yet made the scene). Though it has a rockier history than FM, it is still used, 
but just barely. There's a great write-up about it on Wikipedia. (The FM 
Wikipedia write-up is not nearly as extensive.) And let's not forget the late, 
great Ventura Publisher which was distributed by Xerox but is owned by Corel 
since 1993 and is a mere shadow of its once glorious self before the Corel 
purchase.

I wonder how Corel supports Corel Ventura (still available but supposedly last 
updated in 2002).



  From: "Harding, Dan" 
 To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 7:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing
   
Program software, yes. Customer support and licensing, no.

At times it feels like FrameMaker is "abandonware", at least with respect to 
the attitudes coming from within Adobe... a begrudged necessary evil that no 
one there really wants the hassles of dealing with, hoping that it will just 
die and go away.

-Dan

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:55 AM
To: Peter Gold ; Framers - frameusers.com 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

Why does everyone feel that Adobe is abandoning FrameMaker? In the latest 
version they redid the menus and added a shortcut to finding menu items. They 
also claim to have fixed some long-standing bugs.

My only gripe is the high price for upgrades. But they do seem to be working on 
the program.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133


On 26-Jun-18 3:25 AM, Peter Gold wrote:
> These recent threads about licensing and related Adobe corporate-level 
> failings, and the associated sense of abandonment that's been voiced 
> by long-long-long-time FrameMaker users who represent a community of 
> talented technical authors and publishers prompt me to think "Is there 
> any next step that Adobe might take?" Well, if anyone at Adobe with 
> any power to communicate with the higher Adobe Powers That Be reads 
> this list (or if any members have contacts with folks who have the 
> ability to communicate with those APTBs,) how about floating the idea 
> that if Adobe's no longer interested in supporting FM and its 
> community of users, perhaps it's time to think about finding a company 
> that would like to buy it. FM might be only a mere fragment of a niche 
> in Adobe's spectrum of products and services and income streams, but 
> to a smaller enterprise, it could be a substantial business.
>
> Just another wild idea. Anyone out there? Bueller?
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[Framers] booklet remplate question

[Ken Poshedly]

I know this is pretty straightforward and can be done in Word, but I'd rather 
do it in Frame.
So are there any templates out there for high school reunion booklets?
-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] Update on printing issue with Windows 10 1803 Build

[Ken Poshedly]

Gang,
I suspect that the latest Windows 10 updates were installed on my system once 
more because while I _did_ get a prompt to restart on Tuesday and then directed 
it to "wait" (or whatever the screen choice was), I didn't get that prompt last 
night after getting home to work on some projects.
The first thing I did was open a Frame doc and print one page from my Samsung 
C1810 color laser jet and it DID work. I also was able to successfully print to 
the "Adobe printer" to create a postscript file and then a pdf file.
So for the time being, things are ok.
I was thinking of enrolling in the Windows10 beta program, but I don't know if 
I'm really qualified (for instance, I'm not a programmer and don't know what 
else might be required). Any insights from those of you who already are in that 
program?
-- Ken in Atlanta

  From: "tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com" 
 To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
 
 Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 7:48 AM
 Subject: Re: [Framers] Update on printing issue with Windows 10 1803 Build
   
I read through the notes, but I don't recognize anything in it that 
specifically addresses the FM issue. Are they saying that they think that 
they have this issue resolved?



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From:  Stefan Gentz 
To:    "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Date:  06/14/2018 03:27 AM
Subject:        [Framers] Update on printing issue with Windows 10 1803 
Build
Sent by:        "Framers" 




Hi All

Just to update you on Windows 10 (1803 build) issue which impacted File -> 
Print and File -> Save as PDF options with FrameMaker (Versions 12, 2015, 
and 2017).

We have been working closely with the Microsoft team on this issue, and 
recently an insider Windows 10 build was released:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blogs.windows.com_windowsexperience_2018_06_06_announcing-2Dwindows-2D10-2Dinsider-2Dpreview-2Dbuild-2D17686_=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=EzsTqFcqMMeruyw65WC106Ka_VJ-jsuk87F39NQ3FN0=hy4Cqk3eifkw2fWpZmhxwZTb8IEzlnbIYsb264peE4k=


We have started testing out the issue that was reported on this insider 
build and the initial testing indicates that this issue has been resolved. 
We are still in the process of further verification and confirming that 
the issue has been resolved back to Microsoft team.

For those of you who have access to Windows 10 Insider preview builds (or 
would like to get enrolled in the beta program for Windows) , please visit 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__insider.windows.com_en-2Dus_=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=EzsTqFcqMMeruyw65WC106Ka_VJ-jsuk87F39NQ3FN0=bfyRGemGm6k8e2xJQx3RaMFtTX2tf-9hWeSy4EAuKkA=
 
and try the new preview build. Once installed, if you check you Windows 
version it should show screenshot as below ("Version 1803 (OS Build 
17686.10003"):

[cid:image001.png@01D403C1.E480E150]



Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

[Ken Poshedly]

Art,
Thanks for the comment. Like I said, Windows 7 was nice and stable, but 
Microsoft being what it is, yes, they can sabotage anything they want 
(including abandon it) and not answer to anybody because they "own" it, whether 
it's Windows 7 or 10. I recall glitches in a manual I was working on for a 
client company back about 10 years ago and Word glitched; I was on page 125 or 
something when all of a sudden when I tagged a listed item "bullet" from the 
list of formats, every bullet in all of the various lists in the book 
disappeared. All the indents remained and the assigned format name remained but 
no bullet could be found anywhere in that book. Thank heavens for Ctrl-Z and 
they all reappeared. I forgot how I got around that bugaboo.

I posted a query about this on the techw-list and the reply I got was because 
it's Microsoft and it does what it does and doesn't worry about collateral 
damage or consequences.

As for this Windows 10 problem, I talked with the IT guy where I work and he 
showed me on his own platform how to pull up the "Programs & Features" and 
"Uninstall Updates" screens so when the next updates do their self-installation 
and if this printer problem recurs, I hopefully should be able to locate the 
particular update to uninstall.

  From: Art Campbell 
 To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
 
Cc: Ken Poshedly 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 8:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing
   
An important point being left out is what flavor of Windows 10 is being used. 
If it's Home... I'd walk away.
Pro or Enterprise are stable and have the support required.
Also given that the environment seems to be FM 10, sis or seven year old 
software running in an environment for which it wasn't designed... your mileage 
will always vary like this, and you should expect them.
If it was me and I wanted to hang onto a legacy environment, for some reason, 
I'd do it on a separate machine off the Internet. And used a business version 
of Windows 10 and the current or one step removed version of FM for the serious 
work.
  

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On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:11 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

Ken Poshedly wrote:

>"Quills",
>Your sarcasm is noted. I'm just looking for help trying to ward off future 
>problems with Windows 10 updates. And this is the first update since I was 
>"forced" into Windows 10 that has >caused this problem.
>
>Going back to Windows 7 (which I liked) might be tempting, but in the long 
>run, it'll wind up just like Windows XP, forgotten and unsupported.

As will also be the case (eventually) with Windows 10...

-FR
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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

[Ken Poshedly]

"Quills",
Your sarcasm is noted. I'm just looking for help trying to ward off future 
problems with Windows 10 updates. And this is the first update since I was 
"forced" into Windows 10 that has caused this problem.

Going back to Windows 7 (which I liked) might be tempting, but in the long run, 
it'll wind up just like Windows XP, forgotten and unsupported.

  From: quills 
 To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
 
 Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 5:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing
   
Sue Microsoft in a class action suite for monopolistic actions. 

> On May 27, 2018, at 12:27, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> Upgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1.
> 
>> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:
>> 
>> Here's something I didn't need to have happen on a Saturday night. And I 
>> suspect the cause seems to be Windows 10 updates.
>> 
>> Worked on some FM 10.0 files Saturday morning and all was well and was able 
>> to print to my Samsung C1810W color laserjet printer.
>> 
>> I knew Windows had downloaded updates the night before because I was 
>> prompted to do a restart. I postponed the restart until I completed my work. 
>> Sometime later in the day on Saturday when I was out cutting the lawn, the 
>> automatic restart occurred and the Windows 10 updates finished installing.
>> 
>> Late that night when I tried to print in FrameMaker, I got a pop-up with 
>> "FrameMaker" in the top left corner and the statement, "Cannot print because 
>> the selected default printer is not compatible with FrameMaker. (Cannot 
>> query escape 768.)" This also occurred when I tried to print to the "Adobe" 
>> printer as well.
>> 
>> By the way, it prints a Word file just fine. And NO, I did not diddle with 
>> FM or do anything else today with it.
>> 
>> After doing some online searching, I learned how to go back to the previous 
>> Windows 10 "build" and now can print once more from FM.
>> 
>> But now I'm paranoid about Windows 10 updates once more screwing with my 
>> settings. I am aware that I can somehow install only the updates I want but 
>> not others.
>> 
>> So what gives and how to end this predicament? Details please.
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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

[Ken Poshedly]

I was unable to print to EITHER my physical printer (a Samsung C1810) OR to the 
“Adobe” printer (and thus create a postscript file to run through Distiller for 
my resulting pdf file). By the way, I could print a Word file with no problem. 
Now can print normally after rolling back to Windows 10 before the Friday 
night/Saturday morning “update”. So what can I do to repeat this bad behavior 
when another Windows 10 update comes down the pike?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 28, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Shmuel Wolfson <shmue...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I found the webpages that discuss the problem with this search:
> https://www.google.com/search?q=Cannot+query+escape+768
> 
> Here are some of the pages that give solutions:
> https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2491654
> https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2476727
> 
> 
> --
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 058-763-7133
> 
> 
>> On 27-May-18 7:53 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote:
>> Here's something I didn't need to have happen on a Saturday night. And I 
>> suspect the cause seems to be Windows 10 updates.
>> 
>> Worked on some FM 10.0 files Saturday morning and all was well and was able 
>> to print to my Samsung C1810W color laserjet printer.
>> 
>> I knew Windows had downloaded updates the night before because I was 
>> prompted to do a restart. I postponed the restart until I completed my work. 
>> Sometime later in the day on Saturday when I was out cutting the lawn, the 
>> automatic restart occurred and the Windows 10 updates finished installing.
>> 
>> Late that night when I tried to print in FrameMaker, I got a pop-up with 
>> "FrameMaker" in the top left corner and the statement, "Cannot print because 
>> the selected default printer is not compatible with FrameMaker. (Cannot 
>> query escape 768.)" This also occurred when I tried to print to the "Adobe" 
>> printer as well.
>> 
>> By the way, it prints a Word file just fine. And NO, I did not diddle with 
>> FM or do anything else today with it.
>> 
>> After doing some online searching, I learned how to go back to the previous 
>> Windows 10 "build" and now can print once more from FM.
>> 
>> But now I'm paranoid about Windows 10 updates once more screwing with my 
>> settings. I am aware that I can somehow install only the updates I want but 
>> not others.
>> 
>> So what gives and how to end this predicament? Details please.
>> 
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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

[Ken Poshedly]

Would (go back to Windows 7) if I could but can’t so I won’t. Windows 10 did an 
automatic install when I had Windows 7, and I don’t want to repeat that debacle.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> wrote:
> 
> Upgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1.
> 
>> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Here's something I didn't need to have happen on a Saturday night. And I 
>> suspect the cause seems to be Windows 10 updates.
>> 
>> Worked on some FM 10.0 files Saturday morning and all was well and was able 
>> to print to my Samsung C1810W color laserjet printer.
>> 
>> I knew Windows had downloaded updates the night before because I was 
>> prompted to do a restart. I postponed the restart until I completed my work. 
>> Sometime later in the day on Saturday when I was out cutting the lawn, the 
>> automatic restart occurred and the Windows 10 updates finished installing.
>> 
>> Late that night when I tried to print in FrameMaker, I got a pop-up with 
>> "FrameMaker" in the top left corner and the statement, "Cannot print because 
>> the selected default printer is not compatible with FrameMaker. (Cannot 
>> query escape 768.)" This also occurred when I tried to print to the "Adobe" 
>> printer as well.
>> 
>> By the way, it prints a Word file just fine. And NO, I did not diddle with 
>> FM or do anything else today with it.
>> 
>> After doing some online searching, I learned how to go back to the previous 
>> Windows 10 "build" and now can print once more from FM.
>> 
>> But now I'm paranoid about Windows 10 updates once more screwing with my 
>> settings. I am aware that I can somehow install only the updates I want but 
>> not others.
>> 
>> So what gives and how to end this predicament? Details please.
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[Framers] Windows 10 updates disables FM printing

[Ken Poshedly]

Here's something I didn't need to have happen on a Saturday night. 
And I suspect the cause seems to be Windows 10 updates.


Worked on some FM 10.0 files Saturday morning and all was well and 
was able to print to my Samsung C1810W color laserjet printer.


I knew Windows had downloaded updates the night before because I was 
prompted to do a restart. I postponed the restart until I completed 
my work. Sometime later in the day on Saturday when I was out cutting 
the lawn, the automatic restart occurred and the Windows 10 updates 
finished installing.


Late that night when I tried to print in FrameMaker, I got a pop-up 
with "FrameMaker" in the top left corner and the statement, "Cannot 
print because the selected default printer is not compatible with 
FrameMaker. (Cannot query escape 768.)" This also occurred when I 
tried to print to the "Adobe" printer as well.


By the way, it prints a Word file just fine. And NO, I did not diddle 
with FM or do anything else today with it.


After doing some online searching, I learned how to go back to the 
previous Windows 10 "build" and now can print once more from FM.


But now I'm paranoid about Windows 10 updates once more screwing with 
my settings. I am aware that I can somehow install only the updates I 
want but not others.


So what gives and how to end this predicament? Details please.

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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?

[Ken Poshedly]

Been using FM10 at home Windows 10 with no problems for pert near a year or 
longer (so far). Still also using Adobe Acrobat Pro (an older one, I forgot 
which).
-- Ken in Atlanta


  From: Tammy Van Boening 
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
 Sent: Monday, January 8, 2018 2:41 PM
 Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 backwards compatibility?
   
All,

 

I might be forced to upgrade to Windows 10 from Windows 7 Ultimate. (The
reasons are not important.) I have FM 10, FM 12 and Adobe Acrobat Pro XI
currently installed. Here is a comment that I found on HowToGeek's website:



*

Microsoft's Windows 10 seems like a big change. The version number alone is
a big leap from Windows 7, and most of the default apps are new-style
"universal apps," not traditional desktop apps.

But, if you depend on traditional Windows desktop applications, you
shouldn't worry. Don't let Windows 10's new look fool you - if an
application ran on Windows 7, it should also run on Windows 10.



*

 

But, is this true? Will FM 10 and 12 and Adobe Acrobat XI run on Windows 10?
(64-bit system). Have any of you had experience (good/bad/indifferent)
running these programs on Windows 10?

 

 

Thanks!

 

TVB

 

Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

Tammy dot Vanboening at spectrumwritingllc.com

303-840-1755

 

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Re: [Framers] Static image to video feature

[Ken Poshedly]

Many thanks, Wim!
-- Ken


  From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp 
 To: fram...@frameusers.com; poshe...@bellsouth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Static image to video feature
   
Hi Ken,
first import the video file (check what formats are supported, MP4, Mpeg, etc) 
using the file-import dialog. Then right click the imported file and choose set 
poster to find an image that wil be displayed in the pdf. This image will be 
clickable and start the video.
FM12 has a sample manual in the samples folder that shows this. I don’t think 
this sample is in FM11, but it works for the same.

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
 
Wim Hooghwinkel



   
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[Framers] Static image to video feature

[Ken Poshedly]

While I've been using FrameMaker since version 5.5 back in 1998, I've not used 
this feature -- if it even exists. 

What I want to do is insert an image in my FM file that, when clicked in the 
pdf file, starts a video -- just like on practically all the online news sites 
out there.

So . . . how to do this or where is it covered in the online FM doc. 

I'm running FM 11.0 on a Windows 7 platform.

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Re: [Framers] Table default setting change?

[Ken Poshedly]

Many thanks, Rick.  We'll give it a try.
-- Ken


  From: Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com>
 To: 'Ken Poshedly' <poshe...@bellsouth.net>; 'An email list for people using 
Adobe FrameMaker software.' <framers@lists.frameusers.com> 
 Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:52 AM
 Subject: RE: [Framers] Table default setting change?
   
The table format's numbering can be stored as part of the Table Format.
Change the Table Format and Update All and when you insert a new table, you
will have the numbering you want.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017



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Subject: [Framers] Table default setting change?

FrameMaker 11.0

We routinely use "column-first" numbering when we insert a multi-column
table beneath an exploded view graphic.

The default, however, is "row-first" numbering.

Can this default be changed and, if so, exactly where and how? (An ini file
of some kind?)
-- Ken in Atlanta
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[Framers] Table default setting change?

[Ken Poshedly]

FrameMaker 11.0

We routinely use "column-first" numbering when we insert a multi-column table 
beneath an exploded view graphic.

The default, however, is "row-first" numbering.

Can this default be changed and, if so, exactly where and how? (An ini file of 
some kind?)
-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] How do you guys abbreviate foot pounds and Newton meters when writing about torque settings?

[Ken Poshedly]

ft•lb
N•m
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:24 AM, Art Campbell  
wrote:
 

 Or write them out?

TIA,
Art

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Ken Poshedly]

Many, many thanks Rick!
If an update or bug-fix is released, it will hopefully apply downward to at 
least FM10 (which I run at home) and FM11 (which I run at my office) because I 
know for sure that my company will NEVER update to a newer version because it 
costs money. (Plus, I myself prefer to have all my stuff -- program and data 
files -- right on my own hard drive.)
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:20 AM, Klaus Daube <fr...@daube.ch> wrote:
 

 On 2 May 2017 at 14:36, Ken Poshedly wrote:

> Folks,
> At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard 
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be 
> done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again 
> this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I mean.)
> 
> The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and so 
> forth.

Ken, I have filed a bug FRMAKER-2325 stating that frequently all CTRL+xx 
shortcuts do 
not work any more. On my system (W7 XP1, x64) this 'feature' exists since about 
FM-11. I hoped it would go away with a fresh Windows installation on a new 
laptop - 
but it did not. So it definetely must be something with FrameMaker.

I have even discovered that the following actions can trigger the fault:
- switch to another application (e.g. text editor) and back to FM
- switch to Pincackle Studio (a video editor) and back reproduceably creates 
the 
fault.

I have just added to that bug report:
«It seems that not only CTRL-xxx shortcuts are affected, but all Windows 
specific 
short cuts (not the ESC sequences). See the lengthy lamento on 
http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg66590.html and 
following 
posts.»

Klaus
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Ken Poshedly]

So all-in-all, it's just Adobe emulating Microsoft.
(What does he mean by that?) Back in 2006 while I was contracting for an 
engineering firm and ordered to use only Word "so the engineers could correct 
my work." (Ptooey!) I remember an incident where I used Word's paragraph 
tag-method to tag bulleted text.
I was on page 125 or so, tagged something bullet and voila!, every bullet in 
the book disappeared, yet all "bulleted text" was still tagged that way. I 
tried everything I knew to fix things but to no avail.
But, ah, thank heavens for Ctrl-Z. Everything returned, except for the last 
bullet that I worked on. I don't remember how I "fixed" things that day, but I 
did post a message on the tech-wrl e-mail list, asking how could Microsoft let 
this happen.
The reply / replies were basically, "Because Microsoft CAN (let this happen) 
because it doesn't matter to them since we're just peons."
 

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:21 PM, Robert Lauriston  
wrote:
 

 It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of
the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits
the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally
stops working.

I've never seen similar behavior in any other application on the
half-dozen systems where I've run FM9 or later. I never used anything
but a generic keyboard with the default driver.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:
>
> It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.
>
> In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
> issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
> devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
> it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
> or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
> issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
> substituting a different keyboard?
>
> In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
> font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?
>
> System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
> other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
> tablet sensitivity settings?
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[Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Ken Poshedly]

Folks,
At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard 
shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be 
done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again this 
morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I mean.)

The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and so forth.

Is there, praytell, an undocumented feature that toggles keyboard commands on 
and off?
I await ye answers.
FrameMaker 11.0Windows 7 ProfessionalOodles of space and memory.
-- Ken in AtlantaThe Land of the Fiery and Falling Interstates. (Hey! 
Duck!)(Thanks to wonders of fast-curing concrete, a 24/7 work schedule and 
really nice weather, the latest re-opening date was moved back from September 
to mid-June to May 26. Lots of well-deserved bonuses.)Oh, and the five pro-bono 
lawyers for the crackhead who started the fire is blaming the state DOT. We can 
discuss this off-list.
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Re: [Framers] Why do my ohm symbols keep turning into capital O?

[Ken Poshedly]

FWIW (and I should have said so), unstructured FM 11.0 in my own test.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Friday, April 28, 2017 4:11 PM, Robert Lauriston  
wrote:
 

 Structured or unstructured mode?

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> I use the Alt+234 key sequence to insert Ω into my documents. Why do they
> keep turning into capital O?
>
> FrameMaker 12
> Windows 7
> Font: Myriad Pro
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Re: [Framers] Why do my ohm symbols keep turning into capital O?

[Ken Poshedly]

It works just fine here. 
   
   - FrameMaker 11.0 on a Windows 7 Professional platform   

   - Heading fonts = Arial
   - Body text = New Times Roman

Alt 234 = the ohm symbol both visually and on printed page, even after closing 
the file and reopening it.
Maybe we're just not sophisticated enough.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Friday, April 28, 2017 1:09 PM, Craig Ede  wrote:
 

 I agree with that!


C-


... 
Although seriously, if it's Unicode it shouldn't be an issue. That's why we USE 
a Unicode font.



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Re: [Framers] OT: General writing question

[Ken Poshedly]

My personal experience agrees with the previously stated findings from so long 
ago. That is, san serif body text is a PITA -- especially when there are huge 
blocks of it.And the confusion between certain characters is MAJOR when you are 
presenting alpha-numeric data. So, going back to the basics:
1. Our purpose (or at least one of them) is to produce technical documentation 
that informs the reader how to properly, efficiently and safely operate the 
product at hand, whether that be software or (in my case) a 300-ton crawler 
crane.
2. Good publication design includes using "friendly" (i.e., serif) fonts and 
page layouts that will not tend to subconsciously annoy the reader so that they 
skip over important information. After all, who wants to read even one full 
page of nothing but san serif text that is one page-column wide? Anyone? 
Anyone? (Beuller?) 

No one? I thought so.

Skipping important info can result in software errors due to faulty operation 
by the user or (again, in my case) equipment damage, injury or death. Yes, some 
of this is subjective, but in the long run, serif fonts are more readable over 
many pages than san serif fonts.

Therefore, I suggest that good old Tammy find either in her own library or 
online samples of obviously "headache-causing" documentation just chock-full of 
san serif body text throughout and then print out perhaps five pages. Then find 
some obviously superior documentation with serif body text and san serif 
headlines/chapter titles and print out five or so pages of it.

Next, give them to your client and have him/her actually spend all the time 
needed to read each set separately.

Any of the following scenarios will occur:* He'll say no, don't bother me and 
just do what I said (in which case you should consider your options about even 
remaining there unless you like being micromanaged and the money is too good to 
pass up).

* He'll actually follow through but still disagree with you (in which case you 
at least did the proper and professional thing, and should just probably stick 
it out until there's someplace else to go).

* He'll have your hoped-for "Aha!" moment and see that you are more than just a 
clerk/typist.

And now let the flames begin . . .
 

On Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:09 AM, Peter Gold 
 wrote:
 

 Have you searched the archives at Techwr-L
,
and posted your questions there?

HTH

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 9:14 AM, shuttie27  wrote:

> I have no strong views on the use of sans-serif as opposed to serif fonts,
> though i prefer sans for headings and serif for body text (but not Times, I
> must say  - it was designed for absorbent newsprint). It used to be said
> that serif fonts are easier to read, but I believe that wisdom has been
> debunked long since. It would be important, if using two fonts of the same
> type, that they are not similar to one another, otherwise you will
> conference the reader.
> On these and similar questions, I recommend "The Non-Designer's Design
> Book" by (the other) Robin Williams. That and the companion "Non-Designer's
> Type Book" are great sources of wisdom, and an entertaining read.
> Regards,Roger
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my tablet.
>  Original message From: Tammy Van Boening <
> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> Date: 26/01/2017  14:58  (GMT+00:00) To:
> framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] OT: General writing
> question
> All,
>
> I know that this list is for Framemaker-related questions, but that means
> we
> are all writers on this list, so I wanted to post a general writing style
> question to the multitudes of gurus that I can reach as a result. . .
>
> Since the cows have come home, I have always, and I mean always, used Times
> or another serif font for body text and san serif for headings and I know
> that this is considered the "norm" or "standard" for tech. docs. That said,
> this new client is also insistent on using sans serif fonts for both
> headings and text and it isn't pretty when you're trying to read this
> manual.
>
> Does anyone have any hard references/links to sites that you could point me
> to that stipulate why this is the norm/standard for writing manuals?  Right
> now, my client considers everything that I offered as an explanation as
> simply anecdotal and not worthy of consideration.
>
> Yea, I am about to punt. . . .
>
> Thanks,
>
> TVB
>
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[Framers] Adobe Illustrator re-installation woes and final success with Belarc

[Ken Poshedly]

For what it's worth, here's my personal endorsement of Belarc Advisor, the free 
program that tells you just about everything on your computer.

In my case, I continued running a Windows XP platform as ordered by my 
superiors because, for whatever reason, some FrameMaker files created by my 
coworkers in Windows 7, just wouldn't reopen but I could open them on my 
platform -- all of us running FrameMaker 11. Like they say, "Go figure."

So it was only last week when I was switched over to a Windows 7 platform. This 
included copying my legally purchased Adobe Illustrator CS4 file folder to its 
equivalent location from the old terminal to the new one. But AI wouldn't open, 
citing problems locating licensing data. And to make matters worse, the 
previous IT guy here is long-gone and had apparently disposed of the original 
CD from Adobe which, of course, has the serial number.

I have the original invoice from the third-party vendor and even talked with 
the guy, but he, of course, had not recorded my serial number (from its April 
2010 purchase date). And Adobe has no record of the program being actually 
registered.
Hey! I was just a tech writer here and had no say in how things like this were 
done.
After various chat sessions last week with Adobe tech support in New Dehli and 
even a phone call to corporate in California with no results or sympathy, my 
new IT guy used Belarc Advisor on the old platform this morning and it provided 
the AI product key (serial number).

A new (and long) chat session followed with a different (and apparently more 
patient) Adobe tech support rep. The result was me being able to download the 
replacement AI CS4 files and his waiting online while I did the installation on 
my Windows 7 platform.

And yes, I made sure that this time, it IS registered and I'm keep the install 
files and serial number in a secured location.

In this case, thanks to Adobe for finally coming through and to Belarc for 
their life-saving product. (Oh, and if at all possible, either make a copy of 
or don't release any original installation disks.)

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] Windows XP versus Windows Explorer (Ding!)

[Ken Poshedly]

As stated in the original, I'm still with Windows XP.
And I will definitely check into the "thumbs.db" things.
Thanks very much.
-- Ken in Atlanta 

On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 3:27 PM, Tino H. Haida 
<i...@heiko-haida.de> wrote:
 

 ... Yes, this is weird. 

Win 7 locks folders when you work with them in certain applications
(Acrobat, FrameMaker), but also with the normal Win Explorer.
The Explorer puts an invisible "thumbs.db" file into folders that have
been opened and keeps them locked. 

See https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2025703 

This problem did not occur with WIN XP (as far as I remember). But if
other colleagues are also working with the same files this may be the
reason. Or maybe the server OS keeps the files locked. 

Best Regards -- Tino Haida

> For the record, it happens from time to time on Win 7 64bit as well.
> 
> -Carla
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+cmartinek=zebra@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
> Of Ken Poshedly
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:27 PM
> To: Framers List <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: [Framers] Windows XP versus Windows Explorer (Ding!)
> 
> Here's an annoyance where two "things" on my computer simply can't get along 
> and I wonder if anyone here has any suggestions on how to stop this from 
> happening.
> 
> While my two coworkers use Windows 7, my own office platform is still 
> chugging along nicely with Windows XP. This is because in the past, we had 
> problematic FrameMaker files that crashed while being opened in Windows 7, 
> but they opened smoothly on my platform. We all use FrameMaker 11 and all of 
> our files are on a network drive. (We have never been able to figure out why 
> they opened on my platform but not the others. And my company refuses to 
> spend the few bucks on upgrading my operating system, a la "If it ain't 
> broke, don't fix it.")
> 
> Anyway, when we create a new FM book based on a previous one, we copy the 
> pertinent old FM folder (along with its subordinate Insets folder of the 
> various images) to a new location on our network drive.
> 
> Because the default name of the graphics folder is "Insets", and I don't want 
> the new FM file to reference the old Insets folder, I try to rename that old 
> one something else ("Insets - Temp" or whatever) until I have successfully 
> opened the new FM file to correctly reference the new Insets folder at the 
> new location.
> 
> Confused yet? I hope not. Anyway . . .
> 
> More often than not, when I try to rename the old Insets folder, I get a 
> pop-up box stating that no renaming can be done because another program is 
> using this folder -- but it really ain't.
> 
> I will close out every open program, re-open Windows Explorer and then once 
> more try to rename the old Insets folder, but keep getting that nagging 
> pop-up about another program using this folder.
> 
> The final action is close out everything and do a system restart. That always 
> works but it's a pain in the ass.
> 
> Isn't there a keyboard shortcut or something else I can do to prevent this 
> waste of my time (which obviously slows my productivity)?
> 
> -- Ken in Atlanta
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[Framers] Windows XP versus Windows Explorer (Ding!)

[Ken Poshedly]

Here's an annoyance where two "things" on my computer simply can't get along 
and I wonder if anyone here has any suggestions on how to stop this from 
happening.

While my two coworkers use Windows 7, my own office platform is still chugging 
along nicely with Windows XP. This is because in the past, we had problematic 
FrameMaker files that crashed while being opened in Windows 7, but they opened 
smoothly on my platform. We all use FrameMaker 11 and all of our files are on a 
network drive. (We have never been able to figure out why they opened on my 
platform but not the others. And my company refuses to spend the few bucks on 
upgrading my operating system, a la "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.")

Anyway, when we create a new FM book based on a previous one, we copy the 
pertinent old FM folder (along with its subordinate Insets folder of the 
various images) to a new location on our network drive.

Because the default name of the graphics folder is "Insets", and I don't want 
the new FM file to reference the old Insets folder, I try to rename that old 
one something else ("Insets - Temp" or whatever) until I have successfully 
opened the new FM file to correctly reference the new Insets folder at the new 
location.

Confused yet? I hope not. Anyway . . .

More often than not, when I try to rename the old Insets folder, I get a pop-up 
box stating that no renaming can be done because another program is using this 
folder -- but it really ain't. 

I will close out every open program, re-open Windows Explorer and then once 
more try to rename the old Insets folder, but keep getting that nagging pop-up 
about another program using this folder.

The final action is close out everything and do a system restart. That always 
works but it's a pain in the ass.

Isn't there a keyboard shortcut or something else I can do to prevent this 
waste of my time (which obviously slows my productivity)?

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] Pros/Cons: Separate file per chapter, or one REALLY BIG FILE for an entire book

[Ken Poshedly]

Lin,

We also use unstructured FM11.0 to produce files that are distilled down to pdf 
files for hard copy printing (and maybe distribution on CD, but not so much).
As such, we compile separate chapter files then assemble them into a final book 
in FM.
Much more manageable that way (at least for us). A former so-called tech writer 
here (who wound up being our not-so-loved manager before finally being let go) 
forced FM to do what he wanted it to do, with humongous files resulting that 
crashed and burned at least half the time. A normal chapter file might be 3 or 
4 mb, but his sometimes got into the gigabyte range. Didn't care, didn't 
change, and caused the rest of us lots of problems when trying to open his 
files or even p-a-g-e through them (it took maybe an hour to work one's way 
through a 50 or 60-page file). We're now much better off, referencing and not 
embedding our graphics. Hint: take any photo produced with a digital camera 
from its 60 x 60 inch (or whatever) original size and resample it down to maybe 
8 x 10 and oh, how life in tech pubs-land is so much better.

So in the end, don't do the whole book as one file. Use chapters as separate 
files (even with all the stuff you mentioned), then combine them into one book 
afterwards.

And yes, while the rest of the world goes on to DITA, etc, we continue to 
"bring up the rear".
-- Ken in Atlanta 

On Monday, November 7, 2016 1:46 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
 

 Pretty much what it says in the title. I'm guessing there have been
discussions about this in the past, and I plan to look for those, but I
thought I'd toss this out there anyway.

We're talking chapters that can run a couple hundred (or more) pages loaded
with tables, graphics, and conditional text so that they can be used to
single-source multiple documents (no, don't talk to me about DITA, my
non-tech-writing boss wants it in unstructured).

-- 
Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] ANN: ArchiveES Released

[Ken Poshedly]

Thanks Rick.
Please note that the "buggy" archive script that I referred to was the thing 
written AFTER Bruce passed away.

And it would only work with FM through version 8 or 9. And it did so flawlessly.

I use FM 10 and FM 11, so Bruce's version wouldn't work with my set-up anyway.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:20 AM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> 
wrote:
 

 #yiv1712837959 #yiv1712837959 -- _filtered #yiv1712837959 
{font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1712837959 
{panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1712837959 
{font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1712837959 
{font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv1712837959 
#yiv1712837959 p.yiv1712837959MsoNormal, #yiv1712837959 
li.yiv1712837959MsoNormal, #yiv1712837959 div.yiv1712837959MsoNormal 
{margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv1712837959 a:link, 
#yiv1712837959 span.yiv1712837959MsoHyperlink 
{color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1712837959 a:visited, #yiv1712837959 
span.yiv1712837959MsoHyperlinkFollowed 
{color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1712837959 
span.yiv1712837959EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv1712837959 
.yiv1712837959MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv1712837959 
{margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv1712837959 div.yiv1712837959WordSection1 
{}#yiv1712837959 Ken,  I don't remember exactly how Bruce's Archive plugin was 
installed, but if you look at your FrameMaker installation folder and go to 
fminit\Plugins, you should see an Archive.dll. You would remove this from the 
Plugins folder and restart FrameMaker and it will be uninstalled. There are 
other ways to install plugins, but my guess is that this is how he did it. If 
anyone else knows different, please let us know. Thanks.  Rick  From: Ken 
Poshedly [mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:08 AM
To: Rick Quatro; 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] ANN: ArchiveES Released  Rick,

After mixed results with the archive script released after the sad passing of 
Bruce Foster a few years ago, I'm sure that many of us are gratified to see 
what is sure to be a good-and-proper archive plug-in because it is being 
released by you, who seems to be right on top of these things.

Anyway, like probably many others on this list have experienced, the problem 
seems to be getting multiple copies of FrameMaker files in the main and also 
the insets archive folders when running that old, buggy script. Your 
description says that this will not be the case with your version. Instead, the 
main archive folder will contain only FM files and the insets archive folder 
and graphics archive folder will contain only what they are supposed to.

So my question is what to do about the buggy, previously installed archive 
thingy? How to uninstall/delete it before installing your version?

Ken in Atlanta
(FM10 and FM11 on different platforms)  On Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:45 
PM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> wrote:  ArchiveES is an ExtendScript 
script for archiving a FrameMaker book or
document. It is patterned after the original Archive plugin written by the
late Bruce Foster, a long-time contributor to the FrameMaker community. When
you run the script, it will prompt you for an archive folder, or allow you
to create a new folder. It will create Graphics and Insets folders inside of
the archive folder and will copy the book or document and its referenced
files into this folder and Graphics and Insets subfolders. All references,
including graphics, text insets, and external cross-references will be
updated to point to the archived folders so that the archived book or
document will be self-contained within the archive folder.

ArchiveES works with FrameMaker 10 and higher and does NOT require
FrameScript. For details, see

http://frameautomation.com/archivees-released/

Rick

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Re: [Framers] ANN: ArchiveES Released

[Ken Poshedly]

Rick,

After mixed results with the archive script released after the sad passing of 
Bruce Foster a few years ago, I'm sure that many of us are gratified to see 
what is sure to be a good-and-proper archive plug-in because it is being 
released by you, who seems to be right on top of these things.

Anyway, like probably many others on this list have experienced, the problem 
seems to be getting multiple copies of FrameMaker files in the main and also 
the insets archive folders when running that old, buggy script. Your 
description says that this will not be the case with your version. Instead, the 
main archive folder will contain only FM files and the insets archive folder 
and graphics archive folder will contain only what they are supposed to.

So my question is what to do about the buggy, previously installed archive 
thingy? How to uninstall/delete it before installing your version?

Ken in Atlanta
(FM10 and FM11 on different platforms) 

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:45 PM, Rick Quatro  
wrote:
 

 ArchiveES is an ExtendScript script for archiving a FrameMaker book or
document. It is patterned after the original Archive plugin written by the
late Bruce Foster, a long-time contributor to the FrameMaker community. When
you run the script, it will prompt you for an archive folder, or allow you
to create a new folder. It will create Graphics and Insets folders inside of
the archive folder and will copy the book or document and its referenced
files into this folder and Graphics and Insets subfolders. All references,
including graphics, text insets, and external cross-references will be
updated to point to the archived folders so that the archived book or
document will be self-contained within the archive folder.

ArchiveES works with FrameMaker 10 and higher and does NOT require
FrameScript. For details, see

http://frameautomation.com/archivees-released/

Rick

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Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com






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Re: [Framers] Print .fms continuously on page?

[Ken Poshedly]

As someone who is nowhere near the level of competency as most of the folks 
here and unless I misunderstand the situation, may I suggest that you reset 
this via:
 Format --> Paragraph Designer --> then "Start: Anywhere" at the Pagination 
submenu, then "OK" (using "Update All" only if you're darn sure that's how all 
of your Heading1's (I think) should be).
We use FM 11.0 and that's what works here.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:16 PM, Nancy Allison  
wrote:
 

   Alas, neither a Group nor a Folder does what I need. I put three files
  into a Group, selected it, and printed it. I did the same with a
  Folder.
  In both cases, the three files printed, but each started on a separate
  page.

  I'm off to the Adobe FrameMaker Forum to see if anyone knows ...
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Re: [Framers] Weird FM problem

[Ken Poshedly]

Occasionally had this problem, too.
1. Try clicking on the graphic itself, then "Send to back" and see if that 
allows you to move those text boxes. If so, move them to an outer margin, and 
set them to "Bring to front" and place them you want them once more.

2. Pay VERY close attention to the exact location of the vertical edge of the 
main page frame, then highlight IT and use the middle grab-handle to slide it 
to the side (temporarily narrowing the main page frame) to expose the text 
boxes. Now move the text boxes to an outer margin and slide the main page frame 
middle grab-handle back to its original position. Finally, place the text 
frames where you want them once more.
Both techniques have worked for me at different times.
Hey, look! At least it's not Word!! 

-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:27 AM, Rick Quatro  
wrote:
 

 As Louise said, I am pretty sure this is caused by the Runaround Properties
on your imported graphics being set to "Run Around Contour" (the default). I
have complained to Adobe for years that the default setting for this should
be "Don't Run Around." I have a simple ExtendScript script that fixes the
problem. See

http://frameautomation.com/runaroundnone/

for details.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com




-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:52 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Weird FM problem

OK,

Here's one that I have never seen before, have no idea what started it and
how to solve it. I have graphics that I have imported into anchored frames.
I am using Frame's line art palette to draw arrows that point to certain
places in these graphics, I am adding text boxes that explain what the arrow
is pointing, etc. (and no, translation is not a consideration, so adding
text boxes is just fine).

I can click on a text box or arrow and resize it, but for the life of me,
all of a sudden, I cannot MOVE the text box or arrow to another position
inside the anchored frame. It's like once it's placed somewhere in the
anchored frame, it's locked to that position for life. . . uh, not good if I
want to make some slight  manual adjustments to positioning like I have
always done before. 

I figured it was like when FM  lost its little mind and couldn't remember
the keyboard command to scroll through and insert variables from a list, but
saving all files and closing and rebooting FM did not solve the issue. This
just started and I have no idea how/why or how to resolve it.

FM 10, all current, Windows 7, 64-bit.

Thanks!

TVB



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Re: [Framers] Is the Framers list still working?

[Ken Poshedly]

Steve,
I've posted several messages since Tuesday and gotten replies.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Wednesday, September 7, 2016 5:33 AM, Steve Waldenga-王安祖 
 wrote:
 

 The last mail I received was 8/15.

Regards,
Steve Waldenga

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

[Ken Poshedly]

To all,
Could someone on this list who already uses FM2015 email me privately so we 
could set up a short test?
Thanks,
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 11:42 AM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> 
wrote:
 

 Ken,

Have them save the files in MIF and you will be able to open them with 11.

Rick

Rick Quatro
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585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com




-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:25 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

The translation department at my company's home office in China is considering 
to obtain FrameMaker 2015. That's the best wording I can use for this because 
I'm sure all of us are aware of the hacking in that country, so I can't speak 
for how they'll get the software. (My company is absolutely humongous in China 
with offices worldwide, but operates as if the staff consists of only four or 
five minimum-wage peons. Sort of how Scrooge treated Marley in The Christmas 
Carol.)

My office is in metro Atlanta and we use "FrameMaker Version 11.0," with really 
no problems — though I wish we didn't have to jump through hoops to archive 
[book-build] a finished manual. (Even then, those archives have their own 
problems with duplicates of some files in different folders.)

I already know that files created (or edited) in a newer version of Frame must 
be deliberately saved to a lower version so they can be accessed by those with 
the earlier Frame product.

Because of the multi-generational difference between FrameMaker 2015 and Frame 
11, I'm concerned that the newer product will not save files to the earlier 
level (FM11) that we here can use.

Are my concerns valid or is everything hunky-dory? And no, the Chinese 
management at my office will definitely NOT (i.e., no way, nada, hell-no!, 
etc.) upgrade my department of three American writers with the new product. The 
Chinese business model (or at least the one my company follows) is to cut costs 
but hope for increased sales. I'll be glad to discuss that issue off-list.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

[Ken Poshedly]

Ah -- I hadn't thought of that! Great recommendation!
That's why YOU are da man!
-- Ken 

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 11:42 AM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> 
wrote:
 

 Ken,

Have them save the files in MIF and you will be able to open them with 11.

Rick

Rick Quatro
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585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com




-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:25 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

The translation department at my company's home office in China is considering 
to obtain FrameMaker 2015. That's the best wording I can use for this because 
I'm sure all of us are aware of the hacking in that country, so I can't speak 
for how they'll get the software. (My company is absolutely humongous in China 
with offices worldwide, but operates as if the staff consists of only four or 
five minimum-wage peons. Sort of how Scrooge treated Marley in The Christmas 
Carol.)

My office is in metro Atlanta and we use "FrameMaker Version 11.0," with really 
no problems — though I wish we didn't have to jump through hoops to archive 
[book-build] a finished manual. (Even then, those archives have their own 
problems with duplicates of some files in different folders.)

I already know that files created (or edited) in a newer version of Frame must 
be deliberately saved to a lower version so they can be accessed by those with 
the earlier Frame product.

Because of the multi-generational difference between FrameMaker 2015 and Frame 
11, I'm concerned that the newer product will not save files to the earlier 
level (FM11) that we here can use.

Are my concerns valid or is everything hunky-dory? And no, the Chinese 
management at my office will definitely NOT (i.e., no way, nada, hell-no!, 
etc.) upgrade my department of three American writers with the new product. The 
Chinese business model (or at least the one my company follows) is to cut costs 
but hope for increased sales. I'll be glad to discuss that issue off-list.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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[Framers] FrameMaker 2015 compatability with earlier versions

[Ken Poshedly]

The translation department at my company's home office in China is considering 
to obtain FrameMaker 2015. That's the best wording I can use for this because 
I'm sure all of us are aware of the hacking in that country, so I can't speak 
for how they'll get the software. (My company is absolutely humongous in China 
with offices worldwide, but operates as if the staff consists of only four or 
five minimum-wage peons. Sort of how Scrooge treated Marley in The Christmas 
Carol.)

My office is in metro Atlanta and we use "FrameMaker Version 11.0," with really 
no problems — though I wish we didn't have to jump through hoops to archive 
[book-build] a finished manual. (Even then, those archives have their own 
problems with duplicates of some files in different folders.)

I already know that files created (or edited) in a newer version of Frame must 
be deliberately saved to a lower version so they can be accessed by those with 
the earlier Frame product.

Because of the multi-generational difference between FrameMaker 2015 and Frame 
11, I'm concerned that the newer product will not save files to the earlier 
level (FM11) that we here can use.

Are my concerns valid or is everything hunky-dory? And no, the Chinese 
management at my office will definitely NOT (i.e., no way, nada, hell-no!, 
etc.) upgrade my department of three American writers with the new product. The 
Chinese business model (or at least the one my company follows) is to cut costs 
but hope for increased sales. I'll be glad to discuss that issue off-list.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] middle (vertical) alignment in table cell ?

[Ken Poshedly]

Maybe I'm missing something, but what works for me (in FrameMaker 10 and FM11) 
is to highlight the text inside the table cell, then: 

Paragraph Designer -->  Table Cell icon (at far right) -->  at Cell Vertical 
Alignment, choose "Middle" in the drop-down list --> then select Apply (or 
"Update all", if that's what you want to do for all occurrences of this 
paragraph tag inside a table cell).
Like I said, this works for me.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 2:29 PM, Monique Semp 
 wrote:
 

 > I cannot seem to get the text to be precisely vertically centered. It’s 
 > *almost* centered, and clearly is not Top, Bottom, or As Is. But *almost* 
 > centered is *not* centered. (No, users probably won’t notice. But I notice, 
 > and our design person has noticed and asked me to fix it.)

SOLVED (sorta), with the help of off-list replies and lots of experimentation, 
so I'd like to summarize.

I’ve concluded that FrameMaker is absolutely centering the text: it's 
apparently creating equal space above the ascender (to the cell top) and below 
the descender (to the cell bottom), which certainly means that the text is 
centered. But… we humans (or at least, I) tend to focus on the cap height, and 
expect that to be centered in the cell. And so the vertical centering *appears* 
off.

(I sure wish that I could confirm that this is exactly what FrameMaker is 
doing, but I cannot find it via typical google. Perhaps this is part of the 
deep web, but perhaps it’s that Adobe doesn’t publicize this info.)

So now the question is, do I stick with the accurate placement that FrameMaker 
produces or do I manually adjust things so that the cap height (or some other 
specific typography part ?) *appears* centered in the cell? I’m not sure yet, 
and I’ve tossed that question back to the picky designer :-).

And to complete the thought, such manual fudging can be done many ways: adding 
“spacer” blocks to the Reference Page and then applying them as the paragraph 
style’s Frame Above (and therefore not needing to use a table cell at all); 
changing the paragraph style’s space above/below; changing the table cell’s 
margins; and likely other solutions. And they’d all need to be adjusted if the 
font face or size changed.

Always something new to learn in FrameMaker, that’s for sure!
-Monique
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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 "hijacked" my computer

[Ken Poshedly]

Just a follow-up to let all know that I re-installed Windows 10 this morning 
(Saturday) and so far, all _seems_ to be ok (or even good).
I made sure to check that my Adobe stuff, Mozilla Firefox and Eudora all work 
as expected -- and they do (at least right now).
More news as it happens . . . 

And now back our regularly scheduled techie questions.
-- Ken in Atlanta 

On Saturday, April 30, 2016 3:16 PM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> 
wrote:
 
 

 Hi Carol,
I assume that you are also on that list but perhaps my name (Ken in Atlanta) 
got by you. I've been using Eudora since I got it when I transferred from 
Mindspring as a dial-up customer to Bellsouth to begin the long, painful 
process of getting DSL (15 years ago or more) and never looked back. 

I never could get Bellsouth or its new owner (AT) to get DSL to me, but 
instead got ADSL (asynchronous DSL, at 1.5 mbps) instead. Ugh! It was only 
a month ago that U-verse was FINALLY made available in my neighborhood. SO I'm 
in and now have both upload and download speeds of 35-40 mbps. 

I've been on the Eudora email list for years and am one of the MANY who can't 
get over the wealth of knowledge that Katrina passes down to us from on high.
I'm also one of those who just in the past week got past that nasty problem 
with security certificates.
Perhaps "curmudgeonly" is a bit strong, though "sometimes exasperated" really 
comes to mind. So far, nobody's actually torn into her for being so . . . 
"direct".
But, yeah, Eudora, Katrina and the list are just tops!
KEN IN ATLANTA!
 

On Saturday, April 30, 2016 12:35 PM, Studio Smalbro <stu...@smalbro.dk> 
wrote:
 
 

 Win 10 is okay in most respects, but some software won't run as 
expected. I used for instance WSftp, a nice ftp software, but it will 
not work properly unless updated. That said, I am in the same situation 
as you and curses each day Microsoft for their bossy approach to the 
Win10 option!

regards
Bjørn
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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 "hijacked" my computer

[Ken Poshedly]

Grant,
Only one thing comes to mind: "YIKES!"
I guess I'll just live with Windows 10 and then gradually work on the privacy 
settings to at least somewhat minimize my availability to marketers. (I know 
one can never be truly anonymous, but there are some things one can do to be 
"smaller". I also now use "Duck Duck Go" as my search engine instead of Google 
itself.)
-- Ken
 

On Friday, April 29, 2016 4:36 PM, "gr...@hedgewizard.net" 
<gr...@hedgewizard.net> wrote:
 
 

 I can tell you (after having the same stealth install), the if you do the 
"revert" you will find that many applications (Firefox, iTunes,others) will not 
be able to update, and if you delete them, you cannot reinstall them.I'm giving 
serious thought to shifting fulltime to Linux Mint, and only run Windows 7 
(Ultimate), in a VM space.
On April 29, 2016 at 1:03 PM Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:


Well, Gang, Windows 10 wants me and it wants me NOW!

Some months ago, I signed up for the free offer of Windows 10 for installation 
at MY convenience.

Early this morning when I check the home desktop, Windows 10 had apparently 
self-installed overnight. (I usually leave the platform on all night.)

I rebooted and when prompted with the Windows 10 EULA (end-user license 
agreement), I declined. Windows 10 said it would then  "reinstall my Windows 7".

I didn't have time to wait for it so I let it do its own thing and left for my 
office; I'll see how things played out when I get home tonight.

Two questions:
1. Regarding FrameMaker (I'm running FM10), am I facing any operational or 
other problems or must I reinstall it? If so, that might be a problem because I 
didn't "de-activate" my second license. (One is on the desktop and one is on a 
laptop.)

2. Am I facing any general problems with Windows 10?

I hate when this happens.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] Windows 10 "hijacked" my computer

[Ken Poshedly]

Thanks to all for the support.
Like I said, I WAS running Windows 7 Home Premium (64-bit) with 8 gigabytes of 
RAM and a 1 TB hard drive.
The main apps I run are FM10, Adobe Acrobat Pro (version 9, I think), MS Office 
2010 and a real oldie-but-goodie "Eudora Version 7.1.0.9" -- the best e-mail 
client around. It continues to beat Outlook, which I'm stuck with at my office. 
Even though Qualcomm dropped it a few years ago but still owns the rights, 
Eudora is still very much used with a very active user-base and e-mail list.
Oh, and it's FREE!
Thunderbird was said to be its successor, but even _it_ has been discontinued. 
And there was even a "Eudora OS" (or something with a similar name), but that 
is also a no-go.
Let me know if any of you want more info on getting it, etc.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Friday, April 29, 2016 3:46 PM, Art Campbell <art.campb...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 
 

 If you're simply upgrading from 7/8>10, it'll probably happen painlessly and 
you can revert if need be. (The files can be deleted at some point in the 
future if you decide you need more disk space.)As others mentioned, expect some 
drivers updates... applications are less likely to be affected, but the older 
they are, probably the more likely they will be. You don't mention your 
hardware platform, but if you're on a 64bit, you can expect some quickness to 
show up.

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On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Penelope Perkins 
<penelope.perk...@synergex.com> wrote:

Ken,

I can't say for sure in your situation, but when IT upgraded us from Win 8.1 to 
Win 10, we did not have to reactivate any Adobe products. (Ironically, we did 
have to reactivate Microsoft Office, even though the version of that had not 
changed.)

We have TCS 5 -- so FM 12, Acro XI, etc. Everything (thankfully!) ran just 
fine, even though it is not officially supported on Win 10. There were some 
posts on the Adobe Forums about the Win 10 upgrade objecting to FM 12, but 
other reports that the upgrade went smoothly. So it may depend on some subtle 
differences in system configuration.

Regards,
Penelope

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Penelope Perkins, Senior Technical Writer
Synergex International Corp
Sacramento, California


-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+penelope.perkins=synergex@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 12:03 PM
To: Framers - frameusers.com <framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: [Framers] Windows 10 "hijacked" my computer

Well, Gang, Windows 10 wants me and it wants me NOW!

Some months ago, I signed up for the free offer of Windows 10 for installation 
at MY convenience.

Early this morning when I check the home desktop, Windows 10 had apparently 
self-installed overnight. (I usually leave the platform on all night.)

I rebooted and when prompted with the Windows 10 EULA (end-user license 
agreement), I declined. Windows 10 said it would then  "reinstall my Windows 7".

I didn't have time to wait for it so I let it do its own thing and left for my 
office; I'll see how things played out when I get home tonight.

Two questions:
1. Regarding FrameMaker (I'm running FM10), am I facing any operational or 
other problems or must I reinstall it? If so, that might be a problem because I 
didn't "de-activate" my second license. (One is on the desktop and one is on a 
laptop.)

2. Am I facing any general problems with Windows 10?

I hate when this happens.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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[Framers] Fw: Windows 10 "hijacked" my computer

[Ken Poshedly]

(Missed "Reply-all" and forgot to send this to the list as well.)
-- Ken

 On Friday, April 29, 2016 3:42 PM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> 
wrote:
 
 

 Thanks Rob,
Like I said, I'm running FM10, and NOT FM2015. And I don't have the bucks to 
spring for that either.

I've been a "Framer" since 1998 when I learned and used FM 5.5.6, then version 
7, then 7.1, then 8, then 10 (at home) and now version 11 at my office.
All comments aside from various others that everything after FM8 is unstable, 
FM10 has so far been fine on my platform.
And now on to the great unexplored wilderness (for me) of Windows 10 . . . 

-- Ken
 

On Friday, April 29, 2016 3:31 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> 
wrote:
 
 

 Windows 7 64-bit with 8GB, Windows 10 should be relatively smooth,
though some drivers might break. If you're running FrameMaker 2015
with all updates maybe it would work without tweaking. I'd make a full
backup before trying.

FM 2015 update 1 was the first version to officially support Windows
10, and I've read of numerous problems with older versions.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> wrote:
> Yeah, that download thing is evil. Last year I had a PC that started
> acting like it was out of disk space even though Windows showed it
> having 10-15% free. Eventually I discovered that there was a hidden
> directory containing the Windows 10 upgrade installer. Which I had not
> signed up for, and which that PC was perhaps not capable of running.
>
> Which version of Windows are you currently running, is it 32-bit or
> 64-bit, and how much memory do you have?
>
> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Well, Gang, Windows 10 wants me and it wants me NOW!
>>
>> Some months ago, I signed up for the free offer of Windows 10 for 
>> installation at MY convenience.
>>
>> Early this morning when I check the home desktop, Windows 10 had apparently 
>> self-installed overnight. (I usually leave the platform on all night.)
>>
>> I rebooted and when prompted with the Windows 10 EULA (end-user license 
>> agreement), I declined. Windows 10 said it would then  "reinstall my Windows 
>> 7".
>>
>> I didn't have time to wait for it so I let it do its own thing and left for 
>> my office; I'll see how things played out when I get home tonight.
>>
>> Two questions:
>> 1. Regarding FrameMaker (I'm running FM10), am I facing any operational or 
>> other problems or must I reinstall it? If so, that might be a problem 
>> because I didn't "de-activate" my second license. (One is on the desktop and 
>> one is on a laptop.)
>>
>> 2. Am I facing any general problems with Windows 10?


 
   

 
  
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[Framers] Windows 10 "hijacked" my computer

[Ken Poshedly]

Well, Gang, Windows 10 wants me and it wants me NOW!

Some months ago, I signed up for the free offer of Windows 10 for installation 
at MY convenience.

Early this morning when I check the home desktop, Windows 10 had apparently 
self-installed overnight. (I usually leave the platform on all night.)

I rebooted and when prompted with the Windows 10 EULA (end-user license 
agreement), I declined. Windows 10 said it would then  "reinstall my Windows 7".

I didn't have time to wait for it so I let it do its own thing and left for my 
office; I'll see how things played out when I get home tonight.

Two questions:
1. Regarding FrameMaker (I'm running FM10), am I facing any operational or 
other problems or must I reinstall it? If so, that might be a problem because I 
didn't "de-activate" my second license. (One is on the desktop and one is on a 
laptop.)

2. Am I facing any general problems with Windows 10?

I hate when this happens.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] adding pages

[Ken Poshedly]

Bill,
Um, not sure if this helps but I just ran a test here and if I add one 
disconnected page (in my case, right after the last page of the document I'm in 
right now) and then add text until the cursor is at the bottom and then keep on 
adding more text, no new pages are automatically added for that new text flow.
-- Ken in Atlanta
 

On Friday, April 15, 2016 11:43 AM, Peter Gold 
 wrote:
 
 

 It's possible that the non-flowing text frames are not connected to the
main text flow. It might be possible that they became disconnected by a bug
during some processing operation, or that they were either manually
disconnected, or were manually created as separate flows.

In the old days, overfilling a text frame caused a black line to appear
inside the bottom of the frame, if display text symbols was ON.

You can identify  a text flow by clicking in its text, and looking in the
status bar. A handy technique to identify disconnected text frames is to
zoom to the smallest page display size, and maximize the screen window, to
display as many pages at once as possible, then Select All to highlight
text in all the connected text frames in the flow.

If necessary, search Help and Google for "framemaker disconnected text
frames."

HTH

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 3:08 PM, William Saylor 
wrote:

> This is probably a very simple problem but it is rather vexing. I have a
> multi-chapter technical book with prefaces, TOC, chapter, appendices, index
> and so forth. For some reason all of a sudden some of my chapters and
> appendices will no longer automatically add pages as I add content. There
> is
> no (desired) flow change, just fairly vanilla page and pagination and
> auto-numbering throughout the book.
>
> I use the "save as even pages" setting and that seems to work for the
> various documents. Any ideas on what I am missing?
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> 
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archive follow-up and more

[Ken Poshedly]

First, thanks to _all_ for your great advice on the archiving / book packaging 
feature in FrameMaker. I know now full-well that there's NO chance that we'll 
upgrade to FM12 or FM2015. There IS the possibility of Squidds Finaliser, but 
even the links to English-language screens for it come up as only in German. 
For instance http://finalyser.com/help changes to TechComm | SQUIDDS and German 
language stuff. Help, someone?
Second (and totally unrelated), is it possible to directly import MS Publisher 
files into FrameMaker docs? Or must you first convert the PUB files into HTML 
(or MS Word or something else) and then do a file import? Does anyone here have 
some background in this?
Finally, it has been my long-time understanding from informal conversations 
with other tech writers over the past 30 years that MS Publisher is used by 
very, very few companies today, and that FM is by far King of the Hill, with 
others (such as Quark Express and the ubiquitous MS Word) filling in the middle 
area. Is there a pie-chart website that might help me out with this?
Thanks all . . .
-- Ken in Atlanta
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FM12 questions

[Ken Poshedly]

Questions for all you FrameMaker 12 users out there.
1. Is it true that Adobe has officially built (incorporated) into FM 12 a 
stable, accurate book archiving feature (so well-done by the late Bruce Foster 
through FM 8)?

2. If so, how well does it function? We at my company use FM 11 along with the 
third-party book archiving script for FM9 and later made available after Mr. 
Foster's passing, and have consistent problems with how this script creates two 
copies of each FM chapter file (one in the main folder and another in the book 
Insets folder) with almost all external (chapter-to-chapter) x-refs broken so 
that pdf files generated from books archived using this script also have broken 
external x-refs.

3. What is the upgrade price for we who use FM 11?
Thanks in advance,
-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: secured PDFs

[Ken Poshedly]

In addition to hard-copies of our manuals included in the operator cab of the 
heavy construction equipment my company manufactures and markets worldwide, we 
also make available pdf files of our manuals with passwords to prevent changes, 
copying text  images, etc.

So far, we're not aware of any plagiarism or other unauthorized use of our 
stuff. At least not yet.

-- Ken in Atlanta



On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 3:33 PM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:
 



We used to deliver user guides as secured PDFs; however, the security settings 
in Acrobat 9 never fully suited our
needs. We have since upgraded to Acrobat 12, but I haven't checked if the
settings are any better. That said, securing the documents ended up being
more pain than it was worth. Too many users wanted to extract pages or
do other things that we deemed were OK. We dropped the securing documents
years ago. I know there is fear that someone could steal some trade secret
(I never found one in our manuals), but as long as you are distributing
a document in either PDF or print, you have to assume that sooner or later
your competition will manage to get a copy. 

As far as protecting ourselves from
someone modifying our documentation in a way that could expose us to liability
for machine damage or personal injury, we cover ourselves (per the lawyers)
by including disclaimers in the preface and noting that the documentation
always remains our proprietary property and cannot be altered or duplicated
without our permission. I'm sure that doesn't stop anyone, but the legal
folks say that if a customer violates that clause, they place themselves
at risk through no fault of ours. 




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical  Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection
Business
Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira, NY 14901
PH: +607 735-4279
FX: +607 734-8278
Mobile: +607 769-4779
Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com 



From:  
 Johnson, Joyce
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 framers@lists.frameusers.com
framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Date:  
 03/03/2015 03:14 PM 
Subject:
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We deliver user guides (software and hardware)
to customers  via password-protected pdfs, loaded onto servers and
also posted on our customer web portal.  
  
I’m wondering how members of this group
deliver customer-facing documents. Do you use pdfs? If so, do you secure
those pdfs? If you secure them, how do you accommodate in-house colleagues
who request unsecured pdfs so they can extract pages and images? 
  
Thanks in advance for your responses. 
  
Joyce 
  
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Re: secured PDFs

[Ken Poshedly]

It's more a matter of our verbage and/or images being copied and used in the 
documentation by competitors.

As a tech writer for two world-known heavy equipment companies over the past 17 
years, I know first-hand that it is not uncommon for former technicians and 
trainers to be put in front of a keyboard and terminal to produce manuals when 
they get too old to travel long distances or for extended periods for 
training or service duties. Their skills are valued far more than their ability 
to write coherent text.


They obviously know every thread-pitch, ampere and torque of all bolts and 
everything else, but proper writing skills and observance of copyright laws are 
TOTALLY foreign to many of them. That is exactly what happened when I worked 
alongside a former friend who had been a trainer for many years but then got 
into technical writing. Cutting and pasting stuff verbatim from competitors' 
manuals was totally what he did. When I told him our company could 
theoretically get sued out of existence, he brushed it off.

In the real world, I don't know if that kind of stuff (being sued for using 
plagiarized text and graphics in construction equipment manuals) actually 
matters, but my job -- the way I see it -- includes protecting my employer from 
this kind of stuff.



On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 4:00 PM, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com 
john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote:
 



Ken...just wondering...
If a customer buys your product, what do you care if they make changes?

John X Posada
AML Syst  Ops Supt Data Analyst | US FCC  RC Systems Control  Analytics
| HSBC North America Holdings Inc
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To:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
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In addition to hard-copies of our manuals included in the operator cab of
the heavy construction equipment my company manufactures and markets
worldwide, we also make available pdf files of our manuals with passwords
to prevent changes, copying text  images, etc.

So far, we're not aware of any plagiarism or other unauthorized use of our
stuff. At least not yet.

-- Ken in Atlanta


On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 3:33 PM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:


We used to deliver user guides as secured PDFs; however, the security
settings in Acrobat 9 never fully suited our needs. We have since upgraded
to Acrobat 12, but I haven't checked if the settings are any better. That
said, securing the documents ended up being more pain than it was worth.
Too many users wanted to extract pages or do other things that we deemed
were OK. We dropped the securing documents years ago. I know there is fear
that someone could steal some trade secret (I never found one in our
manuals), but as long as you are distributing a document in either PDF or
print, you have to assume that sooner or later your competition will
manage to get a copy.

As far as protecting ourselves from someone modifying our documentation in
a way that could expose us to liability for machine damage or personal
injury, we cover ourselves (per the lawyers) by including disclaimers in
the preface and noting that the documentation always remains our
proprietary property and cannot be altered or duplicated without our
permission. I'm sure that doesn't stop anyone, but the legal folks say
that if a customer violates that clause, they place themselves at risk
through no fault of ours.




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical  Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection
Business
Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira

Re: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine

[Ken Poshedly]

Jeff is right-on, as far as I'm concerned. Definitely install Acrobat before 
installing FM (making sure to not install the FM PDF creation thingy on top of 
your existing Acrobat installation).

My own question is if my company should bump up to FM 12 from FM 11 if our 
deliverables are only pdf files. That's it -- my company is just not concerned 
with html, etc.

Plus, at $1,000 a pop, Adobe isn't too concerned with pricing itself out of 
reach of more potential customers. What are the differences between the two 
versions that we should make the move?

-- Ken in Atlanta

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com 
 wrote:
 
 When FM is installed standalone, a “headless” PDF Creator version is 
 installed to be able to generate PDFs out of FM. This can sometimes clobber 
 existing installs of Acrobat. Adding it after the fact should replace the 
 “headless” version, but if it fails, then uninstalling everything, installing 
 Acrobat first and then installing FM next (mindful of the setting to stop the 
 PDF Creator from installing) should get you up and running.
  
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Denis Daly
 Sent: February-20-15 6:00 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: FM 12 and Acrobat on same machine
  
 Good morning all,
  
 I am hoping to add Adobe Acrobat to my FM 12 installation soon.
  
 I was just wondering about best practice regarding this.
  
 I assume it is recommended to use Acrobat rather than say a cheaper PDF 
 editor , like Foxit?
  
 Also, could someone explain what happens when Acrobat is co-installed, in 
 terms of any effect on  the normal PDF creation within FM? Do I need to be 
 aware of any issues?
  
 Thanks in advance,
  
 Denis
  
  
  
 Kind regards,
 Denis Daly
 Technical Writer
  
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 Mobile: +353 86 3539962
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Broken x-refs after archiving

[Ken Poshedly]

Conditions:
 
·FrameMaker
11.0 on Windows 7 platforms with Archive script downloaded and installed.
 
·FrameMaker
source files located, completed and archived on network drive.
 
·FrameMaker
book opened and member files highlighted but not opened (according to the
instructions that accompanied the archive script).
 
·Then
File -- Utilities -- Archive
 
·A
spot-check of various x-refs in the FrameMaker files in the archive folder for
the book show some but not all broken x-refs.
 
·The
x-refs in the original FrameMaker book files remain OK and intact.
 
·There
doesn't seem to be any pattern, except that the broken x-refs occur ONLY in the
archived FrameMaker files.
 
NOTE:
One of our other department writers just performed an archive test where the 
book and member files were
located on and also archived onto her hard drive and the problem persists.

Is there only one archive plug-in/script out there (that is, the one we use), 
or is there another  one -- even for a fee?

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: FM10 - Changing licensed machines

[Ken Poshedly]

As stated in a hugely long e-mail thread started by me, my frustrating personal 
experience the week after Christmas was to install Adobe Acrobat first, THEN 
install FM -- avoiding the PDF Creator thing (as stated above in this e-mail 
thread).

-- Ken in Atlanta



On Monday, January 12, 2015 9:25 AM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:
 



One more thing. You should be aware that
with the latest version of Adobe Reader (v 11), users will not be able
to activate any multimedia content in your pdf docs (if present). Adobe
has removed Flash Player from Reader, which requires users to have the
full versions of Adobe Flash Player and the Flash plug-in (even if the
MM files are not SWF or FLV). 

I spent months trying to figure out
why videos would not play. Thanks to Frammer Shlomo Perets, the problem
was solved when these programs are loaded. You can find them at: 
http://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/using/flash-player-needed-acrobat-reader.html  




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical  Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection
Business
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Elmira, NY 14901
PH: +607 735-4279
FX: +607 734-8278
Mobile: +607 769-4779
Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com 



From:  
 Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com 
To:  
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Date:  
 01/12/2015 08:55 AM 
Subject:
   RE: FM10 - Changing
licensed machines 
Sent by:
   framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 

 


You should be able to download
the FM10 installer from the Adobe Licensing site; but be sure to deactivate
FM on your old machine before installing on the new machine. With separate
copies of FM and Acrobat, you should tweak the FM install to skip the add-on
PDF Creator (that’s the headless one that ships with FM), then load the
full Acrobat. 
  
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Samantha Nair
Sent: January-12-15 6:40 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM10 - Changing licensed machines 
  
Hi all, 
  
Apologies for the asking
before trying approach, but I need this to be as seamless as possible
as I'm a (paranoid about Adobe) sole writer with major deadlines. 
  
I have inherited the
following: 
   * Win 7 (64-bit) setup 
   * Upgraded FM10 installation
(upgraded via Adobe website, from FM7 CD installation) 
   * Adobe Acrobat 11 installed
from Adobe Cloud​I
have a new Win 7 (64-bit) machine​that I need to re-install my setup onto. 
  
For licencing issues,
I will be un-installing everything from my old machine before installing,
but wanted to check if there is a recommended way of installing onto the
new box. Past experience has taught me - FM first, then Adobe Acrobat,
but that was with TCS. 
  
Would you recommend
I use the same procedure as was originally done - that is, FM 7, FM 10
upgrade, Acrobat?? Or will Adobe allow me to download FM10 from the Cloud
even though it was just an upgrade that was purchased?? Trawling through
the Adobe site has left me with more questions than answers! 
  
Thanks, 
Sam. 
  
--  
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Re: Setup has detected . . .

[Ken Poshedly]

You got it, David. You got it.

As said earlier and after much frustration, I finally uninstalled ALL the Adobe 
things and THEN successfully installed Acrobat Pro 9.

Afterwards, I re-installed FrameMaker 10, but WITHOUT the PDF Creation 
fiendish-thingy (a la Yellow Submarine).

I mistakenly believed uninstalling FrameMaker 10 the first time would also 
uninstall its hangers-on, but obviously NOT.

-- Ken





On Friday, January 9, 2015 4:00 PM, David Artman da...@davidartman.com wrote:
 



Hopefully I'm not too late to help!
 
I actually got a new system at work today and fully rebuilt my production 
environment before lunch (FM8 + CS5  AcroPro9  oXygen  all updates across 
the system).
 
As it wasn't my first rodeo with Frame and the terrible PDF support, I knew to 
do the following:
1) Install FM8 but DO NOT install PDF Creation from the FM disk (8 prompts; 
later it might be a checkbox).
2) Install all FM8 updates, in order, from the web. 
3) Install PhotoShop and Illustrator ONLY from CS5.
4) Install Acrobat Pro 9, full (even all language support).
5) Install all my other helpers and oXygen (we are in transition to DITA/XML).
6) Run Windows Update. Twice.
7) Update Java (incidental; we use vCloud Director).
8) THEN run Adobe Updater.
 
Done. The critical step, as your friend deduced, is not to let FrameMaker do 
ANYTHING to setup Acrobat, Distiller, PDF Printer, etc: nothing. And only 
install Acrobat Pro after ALL other Adobe products are installed: let it do 
it's thing without any chance of something dumber coming along and fixing it.
 
HTH;
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Re: Setup has detected . . .

[Ken Poshedly]

Hey,

sigh Thanks for trying but CCleaner wasn't able to clear up the problem.

I'm off to my friend's place this afternoon (the one who has done wondrous 
workarounds with various software in the past on his and other platforms) to 
see what he can do. If no success there, then a back-up once more to my 
external drive and a re-install of Windows 7 on the C-drive and start from 
scratch with my program installations -- and Acrobat Pro Version 9 will be the 
first one after the Windows updates and mother board device drivers are 
reloaded. 


It will be painful but not nearly as bad as it could be since I've only had 
this thing in place since Monday.

-- Ken in Atlanta



On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:21 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
 



A SWAG:
 
After you de-install the applications, please run CCleaner (free version is at 
www.piriform.com) and see if this helps remove any issues in the Windows 
registry that are causing the problem you are experiencing.
 
During registry cleaning (second tab in the app), please uncheck the “Unused 
File Extensions” option though – my experience is that this causes me 
difficulties.
 
Z
 
From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 8:41 PM
To: Fred Ridder
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Setup has detected . . .
 
Nope (to your first paragraph questions).

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:32 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
Do you by any chance have Adobe Reader X or Adobe Reader XI installed? Either 
of these would be detected by the Acrobat 9 installer as a newer Adobe 
application for reading PDFs, and most likely cause it to bail out of the 
Acrobat installation.

And FWIW, Acrobat 9 had some security issues that may or may not have been 
patched because version 9 is now two versions out of date.

-Fred Ridder



Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:38:58 -0800
From: poshe...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Setup has detected . . .
To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Hey Tom,
 
At this time, I have not yet re-installed FM10 and still canNOT reinstall 
Acrobat 9 Pro without getting that damn popup.
 
And remember, after clicking OK on the (Setup has detected ...) popup 
window, the main Acrobat setup window returns to present only a Finish 
button and when you click on it, the whole thing closes.
 
No choices are presented at any time as to whether you want to install this 
or that.
 
And I'm well-aware of what you said about FM pdf printing so that's not an 
issue.
 
Thanks for the reply and let me know of any other ideas.
 
-- Ken in Atlanta
 
On Friday, January 2, 2015 10:27 PM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:
 
Ken, I had a similar problem, but with FM12. The solution was to make sure 
you uninstall Acrobat 9 and restart. The when you load FM make sure not to 
enable pdf printing. Load acrobat next. 

Tom Beiswenger
Manager, technical  training documentation
Bucher Emhart Glass
 
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:
I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new 
motherboard (MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the 
recommendation of a friend who's en electrical engineer and services control 
systems at various industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house 
is probably wired better than any computer store. And he has helped out at 
various times in the past, so I trust his opinion.

The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my programs and the D-drive 
partition is for my data folders and files.

Before doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C 
and D drives onto my external hard drive.

I then deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 
9; I could find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.

Now, after the upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial 
button during these tests) and it runs fine.

But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, right after the opening 
(splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, Setup has detected 
that you already have a more functional product installed. Setup will now 
terminate and the OK button.

I noted that when I open an existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but 
exactly as a pdf file.

So I once more uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but 
with no luck. The same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I 
don't know where to go from here. Is there a registry listing or something 
that I should edit? And if so, where and how?
 
I understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 
RE-install.
 
Cripe. What a way to start the new year.
 
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Re: Setup has detected . . .

[Ken Poshedly]

Group,

Well, it took the help of the high-tech friend previously mentioned to get it 
done, but we finally got Acrobat Pro Version 9 installed.

The culprit that kept preventing it (and causing the Setup has detected a more 
functional product popup) turned out to be the Adobe pdf creator thing that 
INstalled with FrameMaker but did not UNinstall when I uninstalled FrameMaker 
to see if doing so would allow Acrobat Pro to complete its install.

The first part of the late-afternoon session was spent downloading and 
installing the latest AMD chipset drivers from the MSI web site. I don't know 
if any other of you have an MSI motherboard with AMD processor, but my 
experience with it was terrible; the physical installation early last week was 
ok, but installing the MSI device drivers via the God-awful Live Update 6 
feature did NOT function correctly. I tried it over and over and the download 
seemed to complete but the new drivers never actually installed (as indicated 
by the MSI Live Update History tab).

My phone converations with the MSI tech support folks were such that they 
assumed the download would automatically result in the drivers automatically 
installing -- but they didn't. So the tech support was NOT good, nor surprised 
or inquisitive.

Anyway, my friend found a backdoor way to get them (not via Live Update 6) and 
installed them. The result was a superior display and no more popups announcing 
that hardware acceleration was not enabled (even though it was, as indicated 
by the Windows 7 device driver troubleshooting window).

The only reason for this update was a move to 64-bit Windows 7 because my old 
(superior) ASUS motherboard did not support Windows 7 after I moved from 
Windows XP. In hindsight, I wish I'd purchased another ASUS motherboard, but 
money was a problem at the time.

So after that, we once more tried various ways to get Acrobat 9 on there, but 
to no avail. So we checked Control, Panel -- Uninstall Programs and then found 
the Adobe PDF Creator thing. I actually believed uninstalling FrameMaker 
uninstalled all of it and its add-ons but I was obviously wrong. Too much faith 
in the company, I guess.

So to be safe, we unstalled all of the Adobe things and ta-da! Acrobat 9 
installed smoothly and beautifully; and after opening a few test pdf files to 
check it out, it works just as it should.

Tomorrow (Sunday), I'll REinstall FrameMaker 10. Which features should I NOT 
install? Remember -- it's Acrobat Pro Version 9 and FrameMaker 10.

Again, thanks to all for your kind assistance.

-- Ken in Atlanta



On Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:20 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com 
wrote:
 



Did you apply the Acrobat 9.2 update?

Did you check the Programs and Features control panel to make sure
that some newer version of Reader or Acrobat is not installed?



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Re: Setup has detected . . .

[Ken Poshedly]

Hey Tom,

At this time, I have not yet re-installed FM10 and still canNOT reinstall 
Acrobat 9 Pro without getting that damn popup.

And remember, after clicking OK on the (Setup has detected ...) popup 
window, the main Acrobat setup window returns to present only a Finish button 
and when you click on it, the whole thing closes.

No choices are presented at any time as to whether you want to install this or 
that.

And I'm well-aware of what you said about FM pdf printing so that's not an 
issue.

Thanks for the reply and let me know of any other ideas.

-- Ken in Atlanta



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tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:
 



Ken, I had a similar problem, but with FM12. The solution was to make sure you 
uninstall Acrobat 9 and restart. The when you load FM make sure not to enable 
pdf printing. Load acrobat next. 

Tom Beiswenger
Manager, technical  training documentation
Bucher Emhart Glass


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:


I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new 
motherboard (MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the 
recommendation of a friend who's en electrical engineer and services control 
systems at various industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house is 
probably wired better than any computer store. And he has helped out at 
various times in the past, so I trust his opinion.

The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my programs and the D-drive 
partition is for my data folders and files.

Before doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C and 
D drives onto my external hard drive.

I then
 deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 9; I could 
find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.

Now, after the upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial 
button during these tests) and it runs fine.

But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, right after the opening 
(splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, Setup has detected 
that you already have a more functional product installed. Setup will now 
terminate and the OK button.

I noted that when I open an existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but 
exactly as a pdf file.

So I once more uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but 
with no luck. The same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I 
don't know where to go from here. Is there
 a registry listing or something that I should edit? And if so, where and how?


I understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 
RE-install.


Cripe. What a way to start the new year.



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Setup has detected . . .

[Ken Poshedly]

I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new motherboard 
(MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the recommendation of a 
friend who's en electrical engineer and services control systems at various 
industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house is probably wired 
better than any computer store. And he has helped out at various times in the 
past, so I trust his opinion.

The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my programs and the D-drive 
partition is for my data folders and files.

Before doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C and D 
drives onto my external hard drive.

I then deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 9; I 
could find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.

Now, after the upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial 
button during these tests) and it runs fine.

But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, right after the opening 
(splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, Setup has detected that 
you already have a more functional product installed. Setup will now terminate 
and the OK button.

I noted that when I open an existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but exactly 
as a pdf file.

So I once more uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but 
with no luck. The same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I 
don't know where to go from here. Is there a registry listing or something that 
I should edit? And if so, where and how?

I understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 
RE-install.

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Re: Setup has detected . . .

[Ken Poshedly]

Nope (to your first paragraph questions).

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:32 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you by any chance have Adobe Reader X or Adobe Reader XI installed? Either 
 of these would be detected by the Acrobat 9 installer as a newer Adobe 
 application for reading PDFs, and most likely cause it to bail out of the 
 Acrobat installation.
 
 And FWIW, Acrobat 9 had some security issues that may or may not have been 
 patched because version 9 is now two versions out of date.
 
 -Fred Ridder
 
 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 19:38:58 -0800
 From: poshe...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: Re: Setup has detected . . .
 To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 Hey Tom,
 
 At this time, I have not yet re-installed FM10 and still canNOT reinstall 
 Acrobat 9 Pro without getting that damn popup.
 
 And remember, after clicking OK on the (Setup has detected ...) popup 
 window, the main Acrobat setup window returns to present only a Finish 
 button and when you click on it, the whole thing closes.
 
 No choices are presented at any time as to whether you want to install this 
 or that.
 
 And I'm well-aware of what you said about FM pdf printing so that's not an 
 issue.
 
 Thanks for the reply and let me know of any other ideas.
 
 -- Ken in Atlanta
 
 
 On Friday, January 2, 2015 10:27 PM, tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com 
 tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com wrote:
 
 
 Ken, I had a similar problem, but with FM12. The solution was to make sure 
 you uninstall Acrobat 9 and restart. The when you load FM make sure not to 
 enable pdf printing. Load acrobat next. 
 
 Tom Beiswenger
 Manager, technical  training documentation
 Bucher Emhart Glass
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 I recently (earlier this week) upgraded my home platform with a new 
 motherboard (MSI A88X-G43), 64-bit Windows 7 and 16 GB of RAM on the 
 recommendation of a friend who's en electrical engineer and services control 
 systems at various industrial plants across the southeastern U.S. His house 
 is probably wired better than any computer store. And he has helped out at 
 various times in the past, so I trust his opinion.
 
 The C-drive partition of my hard drive is for my programs and the D-drive 
 partition is for my data folders and files.
 
 Before doing the upgrade, I backed up (copied) everything from both the C and 
 D drives onto my external hard drive.
 
 I then deactivated and uninstalled FrameMaker 10, then uninstalled Acrobat 9; 
 I could find nothing about deactivating it before uninstalling it.
 
 Now, after the upgrade, I reinstalled FrameMaker 10 (using the 30-day trial 
 button during these tests) and it runs fine.
 
 But Acrobat 9 Pro will not install. Instead, right after the opening 
 (splash?) screen, a popup appears with the message, Setup has detected 
 that you already have a more functional product installed. Setup will now 
 terminate and the OK button.
 
 I noted that when I open an existing pdf file, it displays in HTML but 
 exactly as a pdf file.
 
 So I once more uninstalled FrameMaker 10 and even did a system restart, but 
 with no luck. The same popup appears when I try to install Acrobat 9 and I 
 don't know where to go from here. Is there a registry listing or something 
 that I should edit? And if so, where and how?
 
 I understand that if all else fails, I'm looking at doing a total Windows 7 
 RE-install.
 
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Re: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question

[Ken Poshedly]

Just to let all know that I had e-mailed the list moderator either the same day 
or one day later (and that was what? a week ago or so?), and I still don't know 
why my posts are held back.

-- Ken in Atlanta



On Thursday, June 5, 2014 10:57 AM, Harding, Dan dhard...@illinois.edu 
wrote:
 



I made a similar complaint about the over-moderation and delays as of late on 
this list, and the message was never posted to the list… as I expect this one 
to not be posted as well.
 
Manual approval for every single message to the list is an outdated method. 
For those people who need help resolving problems in a timely manner, having 
to wait until the next 24- or 48-hour moderation point comes up slows down 
communication and resolution in both directions.
 
On an open list, responses can be made and viewed as fast as the parties make 
them. With manual moderation, party A makes a request, it’s actually made 
public up to 24 hours later. Even if someone responds with an answer, THAT 
response won’t be seen by the originator (unless cc’d) until another 24 hours 
pass, thus slowing down each response cycle to as long as 48 hours.
 
This list was not always manually processed like it is now. What brought it 
on, and was it approved by the list membership or unilaterally decided upon by 
one or two parties? For that matter, as Craig asked, who is actually in charge 
of this list?
 
For the list to be effective, the communication needs to be in real time (or 
as close to real time as email allows).
 
-Dan
 
From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:52 AM
To: 'Ken Poshedly'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Moderating framers WAS: FrameMaker graphics question
 
Statements like Ken's (below) argue for some loosening of the moderation of 
this list. It's one thing to block spammers (and troublemakers) but serious 
users ought to be able to post their questions without long waits and to see 
the answers posted by experienced users who are being moderated. [As a 
long-time framer I suggest this with a clear memory of the flame-wars that 
used to break out here every year and a half or so.]
 
Ken, you could also send a plea to the moderator(s) to pass you through 
without moderation. Who is/are the moderators at this point anyway?
 
Craig
 
From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:32 AM
To: FrameMaker Users List
Subject: FrameMaker graphics question
 
I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see 
my infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that 
just doesn't work for me,


 

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FrameMaker graphics question

[Ken Poshedly]

I did cross-post this elsewhere because -- for whatever reason -- I don't see 
my 
infrequent posts on this list until one or two days after posting and that just 
doesn't work for me,

We produce operator and other manuals for a heavy equipment manufacturing 
company using FrameMaker 11.0 on a Windows XP plaform.

1. Is there a way to force a certain width line border around all imported 
graphics as they are brought in?

2. Is there a more elegant way to insert a sequential figure number than how 
my company currently does it?

Background for question 1:
The
 procedure here for inserting images is to first insert a right-aligned 
anchored frame 3.25 in. wide. That frame is set to Run into Paragraph 
and as already stated, Right Aligned; it is anchored to its procedural
 text to the left, so if its procedural text is deleted or  moved, that 
anchored frame goes with it. 

I then import by reference an 
subject image inside that anchored frame, scale it to 2.75 in. wide and 
then right-align it inside that anchored frame. (The height of the 
subject image, of course, then dictates the height of the anchored 
frame, but that's no problem.) That leaves a 0.50 inch margin between 
the left side of the subject image and the left side of the anchored 
frame.

The reason for the anchored frame, by the way, is to 
artificially force the procedural text for that subject graphic into a 
one-column format. Yes, I'm one of the few who still believes that a 
true two-column format should be used throughout a book (whether or not 
there are images on the right), but my NOT tech writing or page 
layout-sophisticated supervisor believes all white space on a page needs
 to be used. Thus, most pages wind up with a mix of one-column and 
two-column layouts. (Those paragraphs not accompanied by a graphic are 
full-page-width, while those paragraphs with a graphic are artificially 
left-column-width. Pretty sloppy to my way of thinking.)

Anyway .
 . . after importing, positioning and scaling the subject image as 
described above, I left-click on it (the image, not the anchored frame) 
and use the Graphics toolbox icons to select a solid black border that 
is 0.5 pt in width because all images (referenced or embedded) import 
naked (with no line border). 

So CAN a line border with a 
predefined width be set so we don't have to do it for every image? (Of 
course anchored frames with images that are used repeatedly are simply 
copied and pasted wherever required and they retain their size and 
border attributes.)

Background for question 2:

After the 
image is imported, positioned, sized and bordered, a small text box is
 also placed inside the anchored frame but directly below the subject 
image and left-aligned with its left border. The empty paragraph marker 
within that little text box is then tagged section graphic counter; it
 is set to then automatically display the word Fig. and the applicable
 chapter and sequential figure number separated by a hyphen. For 
example, Fig. 1-2. Surely you get the idea.

That little text 
box is a problem because one has to eyeball its placement to make sure 
it's not too close and not too far from its subject graphic and that it 
is perfectly left-aligned with the left border of its subject graphic. 
Then the subject graphic's runaround props must be set to Do not 
runaround or else no graphic counter text appears inside the little 
text box.What a damn pain in the . . .!

Note that we do also use 
full-page-width images and in those cases, I simply insert a two-row, 
single-column table, stretch it to full-page-width, import and center 
the image into the top row (or cell), tag the empty paragraph marker 
inside row 2 as section graphic counter and the result is as described
 above (left-aligned text with Fig. 1-2 or whatever), but without 
having to create another funky little text box.

I toyed with 
creating a one-column, two-row, right-aligned table to use this method 
for single-column-width graphics, but FrameMaker doesn't allow text to 
the left of a table (at least that I know of). And Frame (or a least MY 
version) doesn't allow placement of a table inside an anchored frame. (I
 just tried it once more and it won't.)

So again I ask if  there a way to accomplish this whole extravaganza more 
simply?

Yep, it's Friday.

Ken in Atlanta
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Re: Keeping both versions

[Ken Poshedly]

My exact question a month or two ago.

I simply did the install and very carefully made sure no menus or questions 
came up to ask about replacing anything already there.

The result is both (in my case) Frame 8 and Frame 10 available as I need them 
and no problems after doing multiple tests on both versions.

-- Ken in Atlanta






 From: Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:25 AM
Subject: Keeping both versions
 

Hi folks,

Could you please tell me how to keep my current Frame installation (8) 
and add a new one (12) without destroying the first?

Thanks,
Theresa
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Re: adjusting an underline (underscore)

[Ken Poshedly]

Reason being that I've received occasional comments about the very tight 
spacing and even I admit that it _does_ seem a bit too close. I'm thinking 
perhaps a point or two lower would suffice.

If you don't see it the same way, leave it alone.

Remember, as I often tell folks, being a tech writer is truly thankless: while 
it's common for folks to call and gush about how well this or that product 
looks, works or feels, the only time we (generally speaking) get feedback is 
when typos, missing punctuation, bad spellings, etc, occur. Oh, and when the 
original poorly written (usually non-U.S.) documentation is shipped because 
it's deemed good enough.

Once in awhile, when casually discussing occupations with others and I mention 
that I'm a technical writer, I'm sometimes asked, Do you write fiction? Those 
who have seen some of my previous rants here will understand when I sometimes I 
say Yes.

-- Ken in Atlanta






 From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
To: Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net; FrameMaker Users List 
framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: adjusting an underline (underscore)
 

Are you talking about the underline text property? Why do you care?
Seems like a strange thing to want to tweak.


On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 FrameMaker 11

 Can an underline be adjusted to increase the space between the underline and
 the text directly above the underline ?


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adjusting an underline (underscore)

[Ken Poshedly]

FrameMaker 11


Can an underline be adjusted to increase the space between the underline and 
the text directly above the underline ?

Next obvious question: If the answer is yes, then how to do it?

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Re: Word and Frame comparisons

[Ken Poshedly]

It's been my own experience that requests (actually directives) for using 
only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and correct 
things as they saw fit. And because everybody knows Word, well, that was 
that. (I remember looking at some of their corrections and I'm glad not to be 
there and take the hate calls from totally confused customers.)






 From: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com
To: Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson 
shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com 
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
 

This is 'sort of' possible in Word.

Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, 
then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' 
style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 
'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that 
heading.

The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates 
that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple 
paragraph styles in one step:

(1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other
(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
Designers
(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size)
(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
paragraphs in selected area
(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 
paragraphs in one step.

You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI



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-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
To: Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

Here's a nice solution for that:
http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/



On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
 Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
 I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
 MS Word.

 In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.

 Can this be done in Word?

 Thanks,
 Theresa
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Re: Word and Frame comparisons

[Ken Poshedly]

So right. So darn right! The solution is, in fact, the problem.






 From: Corinne Kenney skiken...@yahoo.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
 


You are probably right. And when people say everybody knows Word, I tend to 
give this reply:
 
The good thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing.
The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing.
 
Corinne Kenney
Sr. Technical Editor/Writer
Raytheon Company


From: Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net
To: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com; Maxwell Hoffmann 
mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence 
t...@bstw.com 
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons



It's been my own experience that requests (actually directives) for using 
only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and correct 
things as they saw fit. And because everybody knows Word, well, that was 
that. (I remember looking at some of their corrections and I'm glad not to 
be there and take the hate calls from totally confused customers.)





From: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com
To: Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel Wolfson 
shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com 
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons


This is 'sort of' possible in Word.

Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, 
then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' 
style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 
'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that 
heading.

The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates 
that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple 
paragraph styles in one step:

(1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other
(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
Designers
(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the 
paragraph style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font 
size)
(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
(5)
 FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs 
in selected area
(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 
paragraphs in one step.

You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI



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 Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
To: Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

Here's a nice solution for that:
http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/



On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
 Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
 I have a lot
 of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
 MS Word.

 In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.

 Can this be done in Word?

 Thanks,
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Word and Frame comparisons

[Ken Poshedly]

It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for using 
only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and "correct 
things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word", well, that was 
that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and I'm glad not to be 
there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused customers.)





>
> From: Alastair Dent 
>To: Maxwell Hoffmann ; Shmuel Wolfson gmail.com>; Theresa de Valence  
>Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
> 
>
>This is 'sort of' possible in Word.
>
>Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
>based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.? Then you only alter the design 
>as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, 
>then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' 
>style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 
>'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that 
>heading.
>
>The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
>lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
>Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
>To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates 
>that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple 
>paragraph styles in one step:
>
>(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
>(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
>Designers
>(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
>style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font size)
>(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
>(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
>paragraphs in selected area
>(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 
>paragraphs in one step.
>
>You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI
>
>
>
>Maxwell Hoffmann |? Product? Evangelist? |? Adobe? |? p. 503.336.5952? |? c. 
>503.805.3719? |? mhoffman at adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann -? 
>http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann? blogs.adobe.com/techcomm
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>http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
>lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
>To: Theresa de Valence
>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>Here's a nice solution for that:
>http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/
>
>
>
>On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
>> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
>> I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
>> MS Word.
>>
>> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>>
>> Can this be done in Word?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Theresa
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Word and Frame comparisons

[Ken Poshedly]

So right. So darn right! The solution is, in fact, the problem.





>
> From: Corinne Kenney 
>To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:25 PM
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
> 
>
>
>You are probably right. And when people say "everybody knows Word," I tend to 
>give this reply:
>?
>The "good" thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing.
>The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing.
>?
>Corinne Kenney
>Sr. Technical Editor/Writer
>Raytheon Company
>
>
>From: Ken Poshedly 
>To: Alastair Dent ; Maxwell Hoffmann adobe.com>; Shmuel Wolfson ; Theresa de Valence at bstw.com> 
>Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM
>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>
>
>
>It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for using 
>only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
>Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and "correct 
>things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word", well, that was 
>that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and I'm glad not to 
>be there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused customers.)
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Alastair Dent 
>>To: Maxwell Hoffmann ; Shmuel Wolfson >gmail.com>; Theresa de Valence  
>>Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>>Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
>>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>
>>This is 'sort of' possible in Word.
>>
>>Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
>>based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.? Then you only alter the design 
>>as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, 
>>then it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' 
>>style. However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 
>>'Heading Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that 
>>heading.
>>
>>The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
>>lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
>>Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
>>To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
>>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates 
>>that I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple 
>>paragraph styles in one step:
>>
>>(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
>>(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
>>Designers
>>(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the 
>>paragraph style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font 
>>size)
>>(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
>>(5)
 FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to paragraphs 
in selected area
>>(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 
>>paragraphs in one step.
>>
>>You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI
>>
>>
>>
>>Maxwell Hoffmann |? Product? Evangelist? |? Adobe? |? p. 503.336.5952? |? c. 
>>503.805.3719? |? mhoffman at adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann -? 
>>http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann%C2%A0 blogs.adobe.com/techcomm
>>Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI? ? Recorded webinars: 
>>http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J
>>
>>
>>-Original
 Message-
>>From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
>>lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
>>To: Theresa de Valence
>>Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>>Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons
>>
>>Here's a nice solution for that:
>>http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/
>>
>>
>>
>>On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
>>> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
>>> I have a lot
 of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
>>> MS Word.
&g

problems creating pdf files from FM11

[Ken Poshedly]

The subject line says just what it is.

Background:
* I'm on a Windows XP terminal with FM8 and Adobe Acrobat 9 
Professional.
* The other three writers are on Windows 7 terminals with FM11 and 
Adobe Acrobat 10 Professional.
* We create pdf files by printing to the Adobe printer to get a ps 
(postscript) file, then running that through Distiller.

All worked OK through Wednesday, but not today (Thursday).
While I _can_ continue to successfully create pdf files as described, at least 
two of the other three guys can't.

What we've done:
* Saved a sample file down to mif version 7 onto our network drive for 
me to open in FM8.
* I open the sample file in FM8 but still can't create a ps file 
(always 0 kb file size results) from that sample file.
* This is true whether I try it straight from the mif file or save it 
as an FM8 file and then try it.
Nobody had consciously changed anything on their terminals over the course of 
Wednesday to cause this today.

And yes, I've made sure that the Rely on system fonts only checkbox is 
UNchecked when they and I try to create a ps file using the sample FM11 file.

My suggested fix is for the three to remain on Windows 7 but reinstall FM8 
since we here only output pdf files for hardcopy distribution anyway. That's a 
losing battle, however, even though it would increase our productivity 
immensely -- at least in the short term.


Help please.

-- Ken in Atlanta







 From: Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: OT:  Font suggestions for book?
 


We use Arial for headings and Century Schoolbook for the paragraph text. 
Generally san-serif fonts are better for onscreen reading and serif fonts are 
better for print. Century Schoolbook is a serif font that is similar to Times 
New Roman but less compressed. It's very comfortable for onscreen reading and 
when printed. 

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133 
On 19-Aug-13 2:04 AM, Scott Turner wrote:

I have a fondness for Minion or Garamond. I think you can find a free font 
that is similar to these. However, the cost is relatively small, so purchase 
should be considered.


The advantage if Minion and Garamond is that they both have a relatively low 
height to width ratio, making them very readable. If you opt for a free font, 
look for that. Avoid Times, it's narrow, designed for newspaper columns.

On Aug 15, 2013, at 17:22, VLM TechSubs 
techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org wrote:


 
Greetings everyone,
 
I’m working in FM 8, Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall. 
I’ve now been asked to do the book design, in addition to most of the 
writing and basic template design. The subject matter is primarily financial 
… it’s a book about the history of taxation. It’s not a scholarly work at 
all, but rather one designed to “wake up” American teens and young adults to 
some of the issues involved. Footnotes are used here and there, but more for 
explanation of background/details than in a traditional sense as references. 
The book will be published in a standard 6x9 format, paperback. 
 
All that having been said … What are people’s favorite or recommended fonts 
for such a project. And since this is being published on a shoestring budget 
with a nonprofit/educational bent, suggestions of free fonts would be most 
welcome. 
 
Well, thanks in advance!
 
Best regards,
Elchanan
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Re: problems creating pdf files from FM11

[Ken Poshedly]

To Art, Jack and all others,

First, many thanks for the suggestions, but as it turned out, it was the 
smallest thing that tripped us up -- an illegal character in the FrameMaker 
filename.

In this case, the guy who created the files -- and has worked with FM for some 
years -- included a comma in his filename. Our filenames include the projected 
date-of-release of a manual. Thus, the filenames are (section name) (product 
name) (manual type) (date).fm

In this case, Introduction - SRC885 - SOM - August 21, 2013.fm (For those 
interested, it's the Introduction section of a Safety, Operation  Maintenance 
Manual for an 85-metric ton lifting capacity rough terrain crane to be 
released on August 21, 2013.)


I also sent this Introduction section file to my own FrameMaker guru, Tim 
Murray, here in 
Atlanta. He got back to me almost immediately that the file prints to 
postscript and then distills to pdf beautifully with the comma deleted from the 
filename.

However, I recall in years past that a pop-up would occur if an illegal 
character was used in a filename, but I never see that anymore. At least now we 
know not use commas in a FrameMaker filename. Aare there any other such 
characters I should know about? (Mine is a Windows XP platform with FrameMaker 
8 and we have 3 Windows 7 platforms with FrameMaker 11).

Second, I sent this e-mail asking for help on Wednesday, August 21, but it 
didn't appear at all until today, Sunday, August 25. And this has occurred in 
the past as well.

With not seeing my message here on Wednesday, I posted it to techwr-L the same 
day and got suggestions the same day.

I guess that if things don't change, I'll simply lurk here but depend on 
techwr-L for immediate (or at least same-day) results.

As for Tim, he does great FM and other software contract tech writing and has 
been a wealth of support to me. His website is just great as well; it's at 
http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/ 


Give him a try, you won't be sorry.

-- Ken in Atlanta






 From: Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com
To: Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net 
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: problems creating pdf files from FM11
 


First the two-step process you're doing is unnecessary and may contribute 
to the problem Instead, try printing to the Acrobat printer and in the FM 
Print dialog box, check Generate Acrobat data but UNCHECK Print to file. 
Distiller will automatically generate the PS file, distill, and delete it.


Second... are automatic updates turned on? It's possible some Adobe files 
either in FM or in Acrobat changed. In any case, check manually to confirm 
that both applications are fully patched. 


Third, some trouble shooting -- Can y'all create PDFs from other applications, 
such as Word, using the Acrobat printer instance? Are you getting any error 
messages during PDF creation? 


Art Campbell                                                                   
       art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
                                                      No disclaimers apply.
                                                               DoD 358

I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA.


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:

The subject line says just what it is.


Background:
  * I'm on a Windows XP terminal with FM8 and Adobe Acrobat 9 
 Professional.
  * The other three writers are on Windows 7 terminals with FM11 and 
 Adobe Acrobat 10 Professional.
  * We create pdf files by printing to the Adobe printer to get a ps 
 (postscript) file, then running that through Distiller.


All worked OK through Wednesday, but not today (Thursday).
While I _can_ continue to successfully create pdf files as described, at 
least two of the other three guys can't.


What we've done:
  * Saved a sample file down to mif version 7 onto our network drive for 
 me to open in FM8.
  * I open the sample file in FM8 but still can't create a ps file 
 (always 0 kb file size results) from that sample file.
  * This is true whether I try it straight from the mif file or save it 
 as an FM8 file and then try it.
Nobody had consciously changed anything on their terminals over the course of 
Wednesday to cause this today.


And yes, I've made sure that the Rely on system fonts only checkbox is 
UNchecked when they and I try to create a ps file using the sample FM11 file.


My suggested fix is for the three to remain on Windows 7 but reinstall FM8 
since we here only output pdf files for hardcopy distribution anyway. That's 
a losing battle, however, even though it would increase our productivity 
immensely -- at least in the short term.



Help please.


-- Ken in Atlanta

problems creating pdf files from FM11

[Ken Poshedly]

To Art, Jack and all others,

First, many thanks for the suggestions, but as it turned out, it was the 
smallest thing that tripped us up -- an "illegal" character in the FrameMaker 
filename.

In this case, the guy who created the files -- and has worked with FM for some 
years -- included a comma in his filename. Our filenames include the projected 
date-of-release of a manual. Thus, the filenames are (section name) (product 
name) (manual type) (date).fm

In this case, Introduction - SRC885 - SOM - August 21, 2013.fm (For those 
interested, it's the Introduction section of a "Safety, Operation & Maintenance 
Manual" for an 85-metric ton lifting capacity rough terrain crane to be 
released on August 21, 2013.)


I also sent this Introduction section file to my own FrameMaker guru, Tim 
Murray, here in 
Atlanta. He got back to me almost immediately that the file prints to 
postscript and then distills to pdf beautifully with the comma deleted from the 
filename.

However, I recall in years past that a pop-up would occur if an "illegal" 
character was used in a filename, but I never see that anymore. At least now we 
know not use commas in a FrameMaker filename. Aare there any other such 
characters I should know about? (Mine is a Windows XP platform with FrameMaker 
8 and we have 3 Windows 7 platforms with FrameMaker 11).

Second, I sent this e-mail asking for help on Wednesday, August 21, but it 
didn't appear at all until today, Sunday, August 25. And this has occurred in 
the past as well.

With not seeing my message here on Wednesday, I posted it to techwr-L the same 
day and got suggestions the same day.

I guess that if things don't change, I'll simply lurk here but depend on 
techwr-L for immediate (or at least same-day) results.

As for Tim, he does great FM and other software contract tech writing and has 
been a wealth of support to me. His website is just great as well; it's at 
http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/ 


Give him a try, you won't be sorry.

-- Ken in Atlanta





>________
> From: Art Campbell 
>To: Ken Poshedly  
>Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"  
>Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 10:22 AM
>Subject: Re: problems creating pdf files from FM11
> 
>
>
>First the two-step process you're doing is unnecessary and may contribute 
>to the problem Instead, try printing to the Acrobat printer and in the FM 
>Print dialog box, check Generate Acrobat data but UNCHECK Print to file. 
>Distiller will automatically generate the PS file, distill, and delete it.
>
>
>Second... are automatic updates turned on? It's possible some Adobe files 
>either in FM or in Acrobat changed. In any case, check manually to confirm 
>that both applications are fully patched.?
>
>
>Third, some trouble shooting -- Can y'all create PDFs from other applications, 
>such as Word, using the Acrobat printer instance? Are you getting any error 
>messages during PDF creation??
>
>
>Art Campbell? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com
>? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
>redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply.
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358
>
>I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA.
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Ken Poshedly  
>wrote:
>
>The subject line says just what it is.
>>
>>
>>Background:
>>  * I'm on a Windows XP terminal with FM8 and Adobe Acrobat 9 
>> Professional.
>>  * The other three writers are on Windows 7 terminals with FM11 and 
>> Adobe Acrobat 10 Professional.
>>  * We create pdf files by printing to the Adobe "printer" to get a ps 
>> (postscript) file, then running that through Distiller.
>>
>>
>>All worked OK through Wednesday, but not today (Thursday).
>>While I _can_ continue to successfully create pdf files as described, at 
>>least two of the other three guys can't.
>>
>>
>>What we've done:
>>  * Saved a sample file down to mif version 7 onto our network drive for 
>> me to open in FM8.
>>  * I open the sample file in FM8 but still can't create a ps file 
>> (always "0 kb" file size results) from that sample file.
>>  * This is true whether I try it straight from the mif file or save it 
>> as an FM8 file and then try it.
>>Nobody had consciously changed anything on their terminals over the course of 
>>Wednesday to cause this today.
>>
>>
>>And yes, I've made sure that the "Rely on system fonts only" checkbox is 
>>UNchecke

problems creating pdf files from FM11

[Ken Poshedly]

The subject line says just what it is.

Background:
* I'm on a Windows XP terminal with FM8 and Adobe Acrobat 9 
Professional.
* The other three writers are on Windows 7 terminals with FM11 and 
Adobe Acrobat 10 Professional.
* We create pdf files by printing to the Adobe "printer" to get a ps 
(postscript) file, then running that through Distiller.

All worked OK through Wednesday, but not today (Thursday).
While I _can_ continue to successfully create pdf files as described, at least 
two of the other three guys can't.

What we've done:
* Saved a sample file down to mif version 7 onto our network drive for 
me to open in FM8.
* I open the sample file in FM8 but still can't create a ps file 
(always "0 kb" file size results) from that sample file.
* This is true whether I try it straight from the mif file or save it 
as an FM8 file and then try it.
Nobody had consciously changed anything on their terminals over the course of 
Wednesday to cause this today.

And yes, I've made sure that the "Rely on system fonts only" checkbox is 
UNchecked when they and I try to create a ps file using the sample FM11 file.

My suggested fix is for the three to remain on Windows 7 but reinstall FM8 
since we here only output pdf files for hardcopy distribution anyway. That's a 
losing battle, however, even though it would increase our productivity 
immensely -- at least in the short term.


Help please.

-- Ken in Atlanta






>
> From: Shmuel Wolfson 
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
>Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:38 AM
>Subject: Re: OT:  Font suggestions for book?
> 
>
>
>We use Arial for headings and Century Schoolbook for the paragraph text. 
>Generally san-serif fonts are better for onscreen reading and serif fonts are 
>better for print. Century Schoolbook is a serif font that is similar to Times 
>New Roman but less compressed. It's very comfortable for onscreen reading and 
>when printed. 
>
>Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133 
On 19-Aug-13 2:04 AM, Scott Turner wrote:
>
>I have a fondness for Minion or Garamond. I think you can find a free font 
>that is similar to these. However, the cost is relatively small, so purchase 
>should be considered.
>>
>>
>>The advantage if Minion and Garamond is that they both have a relatively low 
>>height to width ratio, making them very readable. If you opt for a free font, 
>>look for that. Avoid Times, it's narrow, designed for newspaper columns.
>>
>>On Aug 15, 2013, at 17:22, "VLM TechSubs" >VibrantLivingMinistries.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>>Greetings everyone,
>>>?
>>>I?m working in FM 8, Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall. 
>>>I?ve now been asked to do the book design, in addition to most of the 
>>>writing and basic template design. The subject matter is primarily financial 
>>>? it?s a book about the history of taxation. It?s not a scholarly work at 
>>>all, but rather one designed to ?wake up? American teens and young adults to 
>>>some of the issues involved. Footnotes are used here and there, but more for 
>>>explanation of background/details than in a traditional sense as references. 
>>>The book will be published in a standard 6x9 format, paperback. 
>>>?
>>>All that having been said ? What are people?s favorite or recommended fonts 
>>>for such a project. And since this is being published on a shoestring budget 
>>>with a nonprofit/educational bent, suggestions of free fonts would be most 
>>>welcome. 
>>>?
>>>Well, thanks in advance!
>>>?
>>>Best regards,
>>>Elchanan
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Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!

[Ken Poshedly]

Due to the addition of 2 new contract writers and the replacement of the hard 
drive in an existing terminal in my department, we're now stuck with Windows 7 
and 
FrameMaker 11 on those three platforms for the past month or so.

And
 it's been nothing but problems ever since, with unpredictable crashes on the 
desktop computers used by the two contract writers, even though all three 
FM 11 platforms have all the Adobe patches.


One thing which does seem consistent is that FM11 does not seem to work well 
with files located on our network server, yet that is really the method here. 
Symptoms may include _extremely_ long times to open, save and close files and 
MAY include the abovementioned FrameMaker crashes, though we have not yet 
confirmed that.

The fix is for the contract writers to copy files from our 4-terrabyte 
network drive onto external hard drives cabled to their terminals and for my 
coworker to copy files directly onto his computer's internal hard drive; then 
copy the revised file back into place in its location on the network drive. 

The two contract writer desktop computers have ridiculously internal small hard 
drives. (One is 29 megabytes and the other is 185 megabytes I've been told.)


Me? I'm happy as a 
clam with Windows XP and FrameMaker 8 working across the network with no FM 
crashes or other problems -- though I do have to suffer through the long times 
to open, save and close files because we now must embed all our graphics 
instead of referencing them. (I've boohoo'd about that here in the past, so 
I'll not repeat the faulty reasoning for it once again.)

But doom is in my 
future, as all four of us are soon to get new platforms with Windows 7 
and FM 11.

This I really dread.

Who else out there is having what seems to be incompatibility problems with 
platforms equipped with FM 11 and Windows 7 and how have you gotten around 
those problems?

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Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!

[Ken Poshedly]

Due to the addition of 2 new contract writers and the replacement of the hard 
drive in an existing terminal in my department, we're now stuck with Windows 7 
and 
FrameMaker 11 on those three platforms for the past month or so.

And
 it's been nothing but problems ever since, with unpredictable crashes on the 
desktop computers used by the two contract writers, even though all three 
FM 11 platforms have all the Adobe patches.


One thing which does seem consistent is that FM11 does not seem to work well 
with files located on our network server, yet that is really the method here. 
Symptoms may include _extremely_ long times to open, save and close files and 
MAY include the abovementioned FrameMaker crashes, though we have not yet 
confirmed that.

The "fix" is for the contract writers to copy files from our 4-terrabyte 
network drive onto external hard drives cabled to their terminals and for my 
coworker to copy files directly onto his computer's internal hard drive; then 
copy the revised file back into place in its location on the network drive. 

The two contract writer desktop computers have ridiculously internal small hard 
drives. (One is 29 megabytes and the other is 185 megabytes I've been told.)


Me? I'm happy as a 
clam with Windows XP and FrameMaker 8 working across the network with no FM 
crashes or other problems -- though I do have to suffer through the long times 
to open, save and close files because we now must embed all our graphics 
instead of referencing them. (I've boohoo'd about that here in the past, so 
I'll not repeat the faulty reasoning for it once again.)

But doom is in my 
future, as all four of us are soon to get new platforms with Windows 7 
and FM 11.

This I really dread.

Who else out there is having what seems to be incompatibility problems with 
platforms equipped with FM 11 and Windows 7 and how have you gotten around 
those problems?

Off-list accounts, etc, are fine.

-- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Ken Poshedly]

I was contacted by the reseller that my company uses earlier today and it turns 
out that only it will be either all or nothing, no picking-and-choosing.

We here use FM, Acrobat Professional and may be getting into InDesign in the 
future, but we have no need -- and do not see a need in the future -- for all 
of 
the other stuff.

And it appears, from an e-mail from my reseller, that we may be SOL regarding 
upgrades to our currently licensed software in the not-too-distant future:


· * 15 new CC apps including Adobe Photoshop CC, Adobe InDesign CC, 
Adobe Illustrator CC and more will be made available to all CCT users by 
June17th
· *Adobe has confirmed any future enhancements for their creative 
products will be available through their CCT offering only (boldfacing mine)

· * CCT Packager available for centralized IT deployment
· * New LOWER price for your additional copies effective NOW thru 
8/31/2013.  ($480 MSRP)
By the way, the reseller my company uses is very straight-up and hasn't steered 
us wrong in the past, so nothing against them.

-- Ken in Atlanta





From: dave.st...@gdc4s.com dave.st...@gdc4s.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 9:03:21 AM
Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-13-01T13:00Z

There's that death knell again . . ..

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: 2013-05-09-Thursday 12:38
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future 
only 
on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?

I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe 
understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of 
freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then 
they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for it.

For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver have 
been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the future, 
though.

-- 
Steve [somewhat aghast]
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Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Ken Poshedly]

I was contacted by the reseller that my company uses earlier today and it turns 
out that only it will be either all or nothing, no picking-and-choosing.

We here use FM, Acrobat Professional and may be getting into InDesign in the 
future, but we have no need -- and do not see a need in the future -- for all 
of 
the other stuff.

And it appears, from an e-mail from my reseller, that we may be SOL regarding 
upgrades to our currently licensed software in the not-too-distant future:


? * 15 new CC apps including Adobe Photoshop CC, Adobe InDesign CC, 
Adobe Illustrator CC and more will be made available to all CCT users by 
June17th
? *Adobe has confirmed any future enhancements for their creative 
products will be available through their CCT offering only (boldfacing mine)

? * CCT Packager available for centralized IT deployment
? * New LOWER price for your additional copies effective NOW thru 
8/31/2013.  ($480 MSRP)
By the way, the reseller my company uses is very straight-up and hasn't steered 
us wrong in the past, so nothing against them.

-- Ken in Atlanta





From: "Dave.Stamm at gdc4s.com" 
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Mon, May 13, 2013 9:03:21 AM
Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-13-01T13:00Z

There's that death knell again . . ..

Dave Stamm
Information Engineer

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: 2013-05-09-Thursday 12:38
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in future 
only 
on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?

I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like Adobe 
understand how important their software is to the countless thousands of 
freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it - but at least then 
they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as you stop paying for it.

For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and Dreamweaver have 
been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less sure about the future, 
though.

-- 
Steve [somewhat aghast]
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