serve
improves.
Finally, reserves are tied to costs. There may be 1 billion barrels of oil
extractable at $20/barrel and another half billion that would take another
$5/barrel to extract.
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onsistant logic. Let me ask a very simple question. Is the deliberate
killing of innocence people an objective evil or not? If it is not, than
why would the raping of innocnent people be an objective evil? Why would
anything be an objective evil?
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ot a general rejection of their principals. Look at
Europe on the whole. The big test of multiculturalism for the EU will be
the admission of Turkey to the EU. My reading of the situation is that
Turkey has two chances: slim and none, with slim about to walk out the
door.
I'm stopping this response here because a major difference between the
questions we are asking became apparent to me. I will cover that in
another post.
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here were KKK demonstrating about something or other, but the TV blurbs
from the blacks and whites showed a pretty united front. A good outcome of
this horrid action was that the town saw how much they really had in
common.
I'll end this post here to keep the focus on the differ
responsible for harming
humans. If you support it, and humans are harmed as a result, then you
share the responsibility.
This isn't to fault you, I also support that. But, I do so with my eyes
open, knowing that I can only defend my actions by the limits to the
choices that I have. If we have n
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here was a bit more
> shaking and it continued to vibrate for perhaps 30 seconds. Several
> things fell of shelves and broke and a plant fell off a counter and made a
> big mess.
My daughter, Beth, was backstage at the San Francisco Conse
>
> Not about invading other countries in the name of the Lord, Allah or any >
> athropomorphic deity...
Just to be clear, is it the consensus here that no country should ever
interfere with the internal affairs of another?
Dan M.
d that
the heart of Christianity lies in what one tends to believe oneself. As
Albert Schweitzer wrote:
"There is no historical task which so reveals a man's true self as the
writing of a Life of Jesus. No vital force comes into the figur
no more than a Bush shrill?
He has strong differences with many on this list, including me, on a number
of subjects...but that's no more accurate than calling your position
"America is always wrong".
What I still don't understand is why people don't want to know the actual
vi
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vercome.
But, only for some folks. Lord knows, it's not that I'm without flaws, or
blind points. It's just that I have a drive to see the flaws in every
position, including my own. I try to attack the flaws to fix them , often
unnerving folks around me.
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icult for me to see how any significant contribution to our energy
supply will be afforded by ethanol.
Then why the subsidy? Two words: farm lobby.
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ploited by the US buying public. It's only
international trade is copper, which is mismanaged by corrupt government
officials. The local workers get nothing from jobs making things for
Wal-Mart. She'd be thrilled beyond belief for the people of her country if
a shoe factory were open there. The families lucky enough to have an
"exploited" worker as a family member would be among the best off in the
neighborhood.
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> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Dan M &
time going in the same old circles.
Finally, to make it crystal clear: I'm not threatening to quit; I'm making
no demands; I haven't seen any reason to unsubscribe. But, I thought I'd
bring up an issue I have..out of respect for the l
time going in the same old circles.
Finally, to make it crystal clear: I'm not threatening to quit; I'm making
no demands; I haven't seen any reason to unsubscribe. But, I thought I'd
bring up an issue I have..out of respect for the l
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power of Green parties than children in Zambia dying.
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ve always made your point well. I just can't keep up all the time, so
> often times I just give up.
>
> I'm sure this is frustrating to you. Its certainly frustrating to me.
I think that's a fair critique of my posting.
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> Dan M wrote:
> ...
> > Woul
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r post honing my
responses down to strict, yet unspecified, page limitations or I am told
that I am allowed to write long posts.
In short, may I please please be given explicit limits to work within, since
following the etiquette guidelines is no longer sufficient.
Dan M.
ensive things from the US.
But, given that, and even though there is increased skewing in the income
distribution curve, the folks with family incomes in the 30%-70% of median
income range still form a local maximum...which can rightfully be called the
middle class.
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ught I was going to read about the first
> Supercenter on a space colony . . .
No, the robotic union has successfully blocked it.
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ally loves other people. I saw
that leaving me as, at best, supporting those who love money first and
worshiping efficiency ahead of God.
What I would want as a next step is for us to argue out the facts that would
inform moral decisions concerning the role of Wal-Mart in society and to
realize t
a new way.
So, given this state of the mundane, I hope you can see why I do not believe
in a God rooted in the mundane.
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to me at least, will be the opening arias tomorrow
and Saturday. Beth Summers-Minette will be performing those arias. I'll be
flying in Friday and leaving Sunday to catch the Saturday night performance.
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the actual arrays. If you can find a way to drop
launch costs a factor of 100 to 500, then space based solar becomes a
player. There is nothing like that on the horizon.
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en that probably
> understates the task, since I don't see any sign right now that people
> in the West are willing to settle for stagnating standards of living.
Which means that we'll have to live with global warming over the next
century an
h is what I
honestly thought we were discussing
The more substantial point involves the maximum speed achieved by piloted
planes over about the last 60 years.
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There is physics behind this, not just a lack of will. _That's_ been my
point all along.
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and, probably, the one
> who has been the strongest advcocate of relatively conservative
> causes... well, conservative by Brin-L standards. :-)
> Dan M.
>
> it's all relative, dan. i notice a lot of sf fans are pragmatic, and
> independent. we don't necessarily hew to d
he
> > first quarter of '08 for wind.
> >
> > And, the big wind symposium will be held right down the road from
> me...in
> > Houston the first week in June.
> >
> > So, my question is, given the fact that California is far more liberal
> > tha
in Texas.
But, I'd guess that many people who consider themselves environmentalists
would oppose the idea of windmills filling the ocean off the Bay area coast,
with only shipping channels interrupting the views of nothing but wind
turbines for as far as the eye could see. Don
y universally see free trade as beneficial. Do you see
any exceptions? In particular, do you see any trade restrictions that help
our competitors (such as Japan and China) and hurt the US.
2) Do you have any idea why the job participation % has gone down for t
f all of electricity production were subsidized at that rate,
it would cost about 80 billion/year. But, at about 40 cents/kWh (rounding
up for simplicity), we're talking 1.6 trillion a year. That's not
practical.
If solar is practical, why does it need such a large incentive to be used
is when the time is right (if you have the skill set, you
usually know when the right time is). We still screw up (at least I do),
but we can help a lot.
So, in conclusion, the Nurture Assumption made a tacit assumption...and it
was false.
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e push to put John in the Bible said it
wasn't literally true. So far, that argument has been met with silence.
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aybe a conservative math would be comfortable with an
> absolute universal set...
>
> Alberto Monteiro
For a while the Catholic church would only accept Cardinal numbers up to 72.
:-)
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themselves from the teachings
of Aquinas and favor the teachings of Augustine. Even now, Reformed
Seminaries teach Augustine but not Aquinas. I think it has to do with the
dependence of the Catholic Church on the arguments of Aquinas and Luther and
Calvin wanting to go away from that route.
w that I'm older, I know there is a rich infinity of
colors in the rainbow. :-)
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cable
connected to the wireless router. Does anyone have any ideas what happened?
My guess is a switch was accidently set, but I don't know how to get to it.
With XP, I think I could find it, but Vista is baffling me.
I've rebooted eve
ase, Californian house prices being far out of reach for the
average person is not the result of GWB. Other factors dominate there...as
they did in other places.
So, as much as I consider GWB a bumbling idiot, I don't think that every
mess is his fault.
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ing a nuclear bomb do produce spikes...and
enough fact based fear can produce a longer term trend, but, over multi-year
periodsits the law of supply and the law of demand that prevail.
We lost control of supply...which started the last oil crisis. Now, we've
lost control of demand.
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dered the Chinese oilfield service company to develop everything in house.
This can't go on forever, and I'm not certain if China can maintain 10%+
economic growth without this type of arrangement.
The only real answer will be to watch. And even then, folks will argue for
years afterward
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> > > What's wicked about bringing children into the
> > world that you have t
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he aging of the population
because people live longer.
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x27;t we let _them_ decide if they want to sell to US? There are
exceptions of course, and I won't argue for forced labor. But, if money is
offered for work or raw material and the party can take it or leave it, then
the people who take it do so because they feel they will be better off.
Now, if the trade is with a dictatorial government, then that's another
story, but I agree strongly with Neli that no American has the right to
decide whether a Zambian should accept a job.
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tmas and everyone will be out of college in 2 years)...but still keep
working a bit through my 70s. I like what I do, and I probably have enough
unique expertise to keep working, say, 5-10 hours/week in my mid-70s.
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results. I see
what I advocate as a slow means of improving the lot of poor people around
the world. I'd like it to be faster, but if China and India can reach the
level of, say, South Korea in a generation; that would be an enormous
accomplishment for the world. The trend over the last 5 years has been in
that direction, and I think that's a good thing.
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When beliefs get
> in the way of reason. And in that sense, Stalin
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> I think that, while I have quibbles with yo
re all examples of export led improvement in economies.
But, having said that, targeted programs such as the micro-loan programs
will help.
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gflation, but I don't think that wages will hold up
their end of the wage-price spiral. So, I don't expect much more than 5%-6%
inflation before things settle down.
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rom that knowledge than using God's gifts of observation
and reason to develop those theories?" But, on principal, a course that
seriously evaluated creation science, the vaccine-autism correlation,
astrology, and Gaianism as theories o
of course, that I am a Christian, though clearly a
non-fundamentalist one. The other part is that I actually listen to them
and try to understand their viewpoint. That's critical to
evangelismwhich is what I see myself doing with fundamentalists. :-)
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he older women who thought there was sexist coverage favoring Obama.
My guess is she'll laugh off Palin's pick as weak.
Palin is a Hail Mary pass for the Republicans. Most don't work. But, every
once in a while, to use another analogy, one wins t
they just had no clue how to turn
Obama alternates into Obama delegates and Clinton alternates into Clinton
delegates (when the original delegates were no-shows) efficiently.
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arated from the point I'm making in this post).
The next area of exploration is something that I think is associated with
ideology, although not the same the same thing. That is the ideals of a
person: that set of beliefs/axioms that they use to make judgments.
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> On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:04,
et me end with some general
questions. Who here accepts the Golden Rule (even with some quibbles) as
valid in at least one of its forms? How many folks are true
post-modernists, who think there is no better, no worse, just personal
desire and politics?
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> Dan M wrote:
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> >
means of distinguishing one set of axioms from another.
The other alternative, which I see many people use, is sliding in a
disguised version of the naturalistic fallacy through the back door.
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d the price
is $10, a 1% shortfall and the price is $200), is that the US drilling could
drop prices down to the point where the relative cost of other options are
so high that they are ignored.
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t vanishing resource? Complex hydrocarbons? We've tapped well less
than 1% of those in the past 200 years. We've just picked the low hanging
fruit. The real question is, will the cost of developing the next fields be
higher than the alternatives.
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> On 03/09/2008, at 1:07 AM,
deling QM) than
others. But, without such an external yardstick, there is no way to call
one system better than the other.
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> Dan M said:
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> > Hist
00 years earlier.
There's a story that goes with this, but my portable just crashed and I
don't have time to write it now. If anyone is interested, I'll do it later.
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from Japan's sphere of influence, from the
European empires of the 17th-20th centuries.
So, that's a start.
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> Glad to see your empowered again, Dan. How bad was it?
>
Well, I was out of town, as was my w
t I've been taught as rigor as
valid.
BTW, I do realize that economics is no more than a dismal science, but that
doesn't mean that techniques of science cannot be borrowed to look at some
of the historical information. -
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ieve that collective will works by some non-military means against
ruthless people, then I'd like some examples. In particular, I'd like to see
why you think MLK was wrong on the appropriate use of non-violence (as I've
quoted him here.
I'm not trying to jump at you, as I'm sure you're not trying to rant at me.
But, in reading your posts, I seem to see some mixture of these three
concepts.
For my side, my point in this discussion is the same as Weinburg's "there is
no rational-calculus basis for ethics" which he said was his greatest
disappointment.
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> Dan M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
irement
Leaman Brothers (sp) had a 40x leverage. Deuchbank, I've heard from a good
source, is leveraged 60x. If it falls, I think it may be impossible for
Germany to bail it out.
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the money in the economy, but it does not count as an asset
that governments can spend.
If you make a flat statement, I tend to believe that's what you believe.
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as critical:
" Traders said most lenders were unwilling to extend credit beyond a single
day."
That looks like the start of a panic to me. I'm not sure what you'd call
it.
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&g
less.
It's almost as much fun as reading "alternate thinkers" argue against QM on
sci.physics in the good old days of the internet. :-)
YMMV, but I find that type of viewpoint helpful when I read his posts.
Dan M.
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the US will be close to the 2005 numbers.
My source is:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_sc/warming_emissions;_ylt=Ap6Hw77B
CbPZzZA5UyXLRHCs0NUE
http://tinyurl.com/3grm32
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ne that I strongly wish to
avoid. So, risk aversion on my part leads me to think that the 5% moral
hazard of having people lose _almost_ all of their money instead of all
their money is an acceptable price.
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e with economics) that there is nothing
predictable with any reasonable probability at all.
My successes in the past are one small testimony to the falsity of this
position. You seem to have a black and white version of complexity. If it
were strictly true, ch
fet), the market is efficient enough so they cannot
predict it. Yet, that does not mean their knowledge is meaningless...which
is the logical conclusion from your argument.
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that
works. Putting it in football terms, it's like working to have a number of
crossing passes through the box. Most of them don't end up in a goal. But,
there is a good chance that if you keep doing it, one will.
Dan M.
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