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John, List: JFS: A willingness to accept intentions, laws, and nominalizations as quantifiable entities distinguishes realists from nominalists. This is a very interesting way to frame the debate. Could you please elaborate on it, or perhaps just point me to a good online resource (or several)

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mode, that enables them to network with each other. Edwina - Original Message - From: "John F Sowa" To: Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Universal/General/Continuous and Particular//Singular/Individual On 1/26/2017 6:13 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: the puta

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On 1/26/2017 6:13 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: the putative distinction between the semeiotic triad seen /as a single triadic entity/ /versus/ the triad *as expressing three relations* seems to me to one worth entertaining in considering what is really a fundamental aspect of Peircean semeiotics. I

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Stephen, John, List, I know the frustration that one can occasionally feel in reading forum messages and segments of thread exchanges which, for example, seem to be rehearsing the same material, covering the same--or similar--territory, especially on a topic in which one has little or no interest.

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Dear list: “*Now ‘prior’ and ‘better known’ are ambiguous terms, for there is a difference between what is prior and better known in the order of being and what is prior and better known to man. I mean that objects nearer to sense are prior and better known to man; objects without qualification pr

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Interesting. Just time for a daily walk! But to me I would be interested in a discussion of binary versus triadic thinking and in some reflection on the points at which ethics and aesthetics fit into a triadic pattern of thinking. I am not sure what a modal realist is but I think the realist-nomina

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Dear list: As much as I agree with Stephen and pingpong balls, I think this nominalism/realism divide is an essential aspect for learning about philosophy. To know the earnestness of interlocutor arguments, to see how unreliable narratives can be; these are all issues with which Peirce was imme

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> On Jan 25, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: > > Peirce was more than a pingpong ball in a long and repetitive exegetical > battle involving I suppose the core group of this forum. But I have had > enough. I simply will not open mail from the correspondents until something > that is

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On 1/25/2017 10:42 PM, John F Sowa wrote: On 1/25/2017 10:28 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: Sorry for the rant and if I am alone in my reaction... You're not along in that reaction. Sorry for the typo. I meant 'alone'. John - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply L

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On 1/25/2017 10:28 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: Sorry for the rant and if I am alone in my reaction... You're not along in that reaction. John - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go

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Peirce was more than a pingpong ball in a long and repetitive exegetical battle involving I suppose the core group of this forum. But I have had enough. I simply will not open mail from the correspondents until something that is not a bnary ether-or argument that dwells on "what Peirce thinks" as

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Clark, List: CG: I think the big break between Peirce and the nominalists is because a general can’t be limited to any collection of actual entities. I strongly agree with this, and just came across an interesting passage that seems to confirm it--and also corroborates my comment to Edwina this

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tions of Peirce, and as i said, > we'll just have to leave it at that. > > Edwina > > - Original Message - > *From:* Jon Alan Schmidt > *To:* Edwina Taborsky > *Cc:* Peirce-L > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 5:39 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] U

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the pure Argument - which is a strictly mental process. Again, the semiosic Sign is a triad. The 'parts' of it don't exist on their own; the whole thing is a dynamic relation. Edwina - Original Message - From: Jon Alan S

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iosis. >>> >>> I disagree with you that the Representamen can be, all alone, 'the >>> Sign'. The Representamen doesn't exist per se, and Peirce has himself >>> written that [i don't have the time to dig up the reference]. >>> Equa

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ndexical Legisign [the DO is in a mode of Secondness]; a Dicent > Indexical Legisign [the DO is in a mode of Secondness] . > > We'll have to end it there. Our views are totally different. > > Edwina > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Jon Alan Schmidt

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x27;s really nothing to debate. Edwina - Original Message - From: Jon Alan Schmidt To: Edwina Taborsky Cc: Peirce-L Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Universal/General/Continuous and Particular//Singular/Indiv

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x27;s really nothing to debate. > > Edwina > > - Original Message ----- > *From:* Jon Alan Schmidt > *To:* Edwina Taborsky > *Cc:* Peirce-L > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:38 AM > *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] Universal/General/Continuous and > Particular//S

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- Original Message - From: Jon Alan Schmidt To: Edwina Taborsky Cc: Peirce-L Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Universal/General/Continuous and Particular//Singular/Individual Edwina, List: I agree that we should not rehash our past debat

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which is a strictly mental process. > > Again, the semiosic Sign is a triad. The 'parts' of it don't exist on > their own; the whole thing is a dynamic relation. > > Edwina > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Jon Alan Schmidt > *To:* Edwina Taborsky ; cl.

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So, the Legisign in this triad refers to an existent Object [in a mode of Secondness]. Edwina - Original Message - From: Clark Goble To: Peirce-L Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Universal/General/Continuous and Particul

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operating as a general type, nevertheless requires being *instantiated* > in such a manner that it is indexically 'really affected by its Object'. > So, the Legisign in this triad refers to an existent Object [in a mode of > Secondness]. > > Edwina > > - Origi

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riad refers to an existent Object [in a mode of Secondness]. Edwina - Original Message - From: Clark Goble To: Peirce-L Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Universal/General/Continuous and Particular//Singular/Individual On Jan 24, 20

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Just to add, I think the big break between Peirce and the nominalists is because a general can’t be limited to any collection of actual entities. This is obvious in mathematics if we talk about a general like “even integers.” Clearly that’s an infinite collection. But if you say something like “

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> On Jan 24, 2017, at 3:40 PM, g...@gnusystems.ca wrote: > > I think our problem may be that we’re not using the term “general” in the > same way. I’m trying to observe what Peirce calls “the proper distinction > between the two kinds of indeterminacy, viz.: indefiniteness and generality, > of

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> On Jan 24, 2017, at 4:11 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: > > In response I'd say that it is true that, as Peirce's own realism deepened in > the late 19th, early 20th century into an 'extreme scholastic realism' that, > as you noted, even his own earlier analyses of realism are revised in the > li

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> On Jan 24, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt > wrote: > > CG: For a legisign the sign consists of a general idea and that’s what I > think you’re talking about. > > Right, but a legisign/type can only be a collective; it cannot represent an > object that is a Possible or an Existent, onl

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Clark, List: Correcting my earlier post ... CG: For a legisign the sign consists of a general idea and that’s what I think you’re talking about. Right, but a legisign/type can only be a collective; it cannot represent an object that is a Possible or an Existent, only a Necessitant. CG: ... t

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Gary R., List: Thanks for clarifying your (accurate) criticism. The explanation that I provided was just that--not a justification, by any means. I agree completely with your much more nuanced assessment. Regards, Jon On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Gary Richmond wrote: > .Jon, list, > > J

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Gary F., List: Yes, not getting a lot of work done today; just enough to stay out of trouble. I certainly do not intend to "deny the reality of 2ns" or to "deny that a relation of 2ns can subsist between a sign and its object," so I would like to understand why you see that as an implication of w

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.Jon, list, Jon, I don't think that there's a need for you to apologize, especially as this may simply be a matter of semantics (or an unfortunate phraseology, or my lacking a subtle sense of humor, etc.) You wrote: "Peirce had a tendency, especially late in his life, to label* any philosophical

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From: Jon Alan Schmidt [mailto:jonalanschm...@gmail.com] Sent: 24-Jan-17 12:43 To: Gary Fuhrman Cc: peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Universal/General/Continuous and Particular//Singular/Individual Gary F., List: I acknowledge that I may be confused here, but how can a

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Clark, List: CG: For a legisign the sign consists of a general idea and that’s what I think you’re talking about. Right, but a legisign/type can only have a Dynamic Object that is collective; it cannot represent a Possible or Existent, only a Necessitant. CG: ... the object could be any sort

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> On Jan 24, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Jon Alan Schmidt > wrote: > > I acknowledge that I may be confused here, but how can a sign that is general > have an object that is not general? Just a guess but I suspect the issue here is how one identifies a sign. That is what makes a general sign be label

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with the > *possible* generality of the object. > > > > Gary f. > > > > *From:* Jon Alan Schmidt [mailto:jonalanschm...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 24-Jan-17 11:09 > *To:* Gary Fuhrman > *Cc:* peirce-l@list.iupui.edu > *Subject:* Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Universal/Ge

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-17 21:01 To: Helmut Raulien mailto:h.raul...@gmx.de> > Cc: kirst...@saunalahti.fi <mailto:kirst...@saunalahti.fi> ; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu <mailto:peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> Subject: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Universal/General/Continuous and Particular//Singular/Individual Helmut,

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ular, not a > general (EP2:209, CP 5:152), even though some of them (such as “second > intentions”) may be generals. > > > > Gary f. > > > > *From:* Jon Alan Schmidt [mailto:jonalanschm...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 23-Jan-17 21:01 > *To:* Helmut Raulien > *Cc:* kirst..

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...@saunalahti.fi; peirce-l@list.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Universal/General/Continuous and Particular//Singular/Individual Helmut, List: Peirce had a tendency, especially late in his life, to label any philosophical stance with which he disagreed as "nominalistic." H

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Gary R., List: My sincere apologies--I thought that it was an obvious exaggeration, and it was supposed to be mildly humorous, but I did a poor job of conveying that. I certainly did not intend to mislead anyone. I loosely had in mind CP 1.19 (1903), where Peirce characterized Descartes, Locke,

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Jon wrote: "Peirce had a tendency, especially late in his life, to label* any philosophical stance with which he disagreed as "nominalistic*" (emphasis added). Please offer sufficient (considerable) support for this statement, in my view,, at very least a hugely overstated mere opinion. "Any phi

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Dear list: *Jerry*: I will take “Peirce at any stage of his life” for 100, Alex. *Alex*: The answer is, “label any philosophical stance with which he disagreed as "nominalistic." *Jerry*: What is “Something Peirce would never say or do because fallibilism”? *Alex*: That’s right. Yo

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Helmut, List: Peirce had a tendency, especially late in his life, to label any philosophical stance with which he disagreed as "nominalistic." However, my understanding is that the fundamental issue was (and presumably still is) whether there are any real generals--or as Peirce once put it, any r

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Dear Helmut, list: There’s nothing inherently wrong with nominalism. Even Socrates thought the poets were more abler than he when it came to imagining possibilities; for his great talent was in collecting what was available and putting them together in the best possible manner. However, it i

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Jon, Kirstima, List, I am not clear about (besides many others) the term "Nominalism", and why everybody does not like nominalism. Ockham thougt, that universals do not have an extra-mental substance. I think it is ok. to guess so, if I think, that the universe has a mind. So universals are not e

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Kirsti, List: Apology accepted, and thanks for clearing all of that up. Regards, Jon On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 3:55 AM, wrote: > Jon, > > You are right about my unhappy choice of word. It was an overstatement, to > say the least. > > Long ago, when you had used "segments" in connection with con

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Jon, You are right about my unhappy choice of word. It was an overstatement, to say the least. Long ago, when you had used "segments" in connection with continuity, It gave me the impression of some lines of thought akin to nominalistic ways. - But you responded with taking a critical stand

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Dear list: Disputation/eristic and not dialectic: *Gor.* And if the last is false, is the first false? *Soc.* It follows. *Gor.* If, then, black is white, does it follow, that black is not smooth? *Soc.* It does. *Gor.* Black-white is not smooth? *Soc.* What do you mean? *Gor.* Can any dead

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Kirsti, List: What you wrote on Tuesday: "Definitions I do abhorre." What I wrote on Thursday: "You say now that you are not denying the usefulness of definitions, but you said before that you abhor definitions." What you wrote today: "I definitely never said that I "abhorr definitions"." Al

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Sorry Jon. Again. - I definitely never said that I "abhorr definitions". If you do not regocnize an intrepretation here, compared to what I wrote, I'm afraid there is nothing to discuss. - We are not on anything like a same page. Kirsti Jon Alan Schmidt kirjoitti 19.1.2017 16:25: Kirsti, L

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Kirsti, List: Just to clarify, Alan is my middle name; I go by Jon. What makes you think that I am missing that "crucial aspect"? I provided this quote very early in the thread. But here it is necessary to distinguish between an individual in the sense of that which has no generality and which

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Alan, Sorry for the typo. - Sill it seems to me you miss a crucial aspect of ' to kath ekaston', what is singular. - The difference lies in it being determinate only as long as 'time is so'. - What is real, in contrast to existent individuals, always lies (partly) in the future. Thus it is ne

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Clark, No community we possibly know about has not ended. There is no "of course" with the question of communities. On the main, communities change, radically or not so. - The remnants of any community, any culture with any traces left behind may start to grow again. Kirsti Clark Goble kir

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Dear list: Good idea but before Superman, perhaps we should deal with the universe of relations between sophistry and philosophy: There is a great illustration that depicts this difference between eros and epithumia in Benardete’s Rhetoric of Morality and Philosophy, c.f., Fig.1, *Introduction

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As I think through the dispute I think really what we’re getting at is Peirce’s notion of the Universe of Discourse. The question then becomes what distinguishes or differentiates one universe of discourse from an other? We recognize that there is not just one universe of discourse. For Peirce t

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Kirsti, List: What problems do you think I am trying to solve with definitions? What is intrinsically nominalistic about working with definitions? Peirce associated them with the second grade of clarity, and wrote many of them for the *Century Dictionary* and Baldwin's *Dictionary*. How would o

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> On Jan 17, 2017, at 5:00 AM, kirst...@saunalahti.fi wrote: > > CG: Logically that then has a beginning and end to the symbol. > > Definitely not so acccording to the logic of CSP. - You are using some other > kind of logic, according to which symbols do not grow - on the ground of > communi

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OK, very interesting. - But not viable to any kind of an answer to the question of the nature of relationship between quality and generality. CSP is just throwing some loose characerizations to the field. What he happened to write (e.g in his notebooks), or even his published papers, were not

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John, List: > On Jan 17, 2017, at 8:38 AM, John F Sowa wrote: > > Yes, but mathematicians never assume that any terms have universally > accepted definitions. They never say "set theory" by itself. > Even the qualifications ZF or VNBG in front of "set theory" are > not sufficient. In any publi

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Solving problems with definitions and defining is the nominalistic way to proceed. I do not work in the way of presenting definitions. - I work with doing something, with a (more or less) systematic method. - Just like in a laboratory. I have done strict experimental work. And strict up to mo

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Kirsti, the reply from Jon A.S. answers your question but I noticed that in your message my link to the source was partly broken, taking the viewer to the right website but not to the right webpage. A "[3]" got inserted and the embedded URL string included both the "[3]" and the following word

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Jerry and Clark, In mathematics, logic, computer science, physics, engineering..., precision in measurement, reasoning, and communication is essential. I am not denying that. But I also believe that Peirce's point that "symbols grow", Wittgenstein's language games, and Sue Atkins' remark that "I

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Kirsti, Ben, List: There is nothing omitted within each quote; the long dashes are in the original text. Note that in CP 1.422, Peirce is addressing a reader who claims that in the dark, red bodies "become indeterminate in regard to the qualities they are not actually perceived to possess." Rega

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Kirsti, List: KM: Just as well as a continuous line (in CSP's view) doesn not consist of points, it does not consist of segments, continuous or not so. A truly continuous line cannot be segmented without breaking the very continuity you are trying to capture. - It presents just the same geometri

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Clark, Your wrote: CG: Logically that then has a beginning and end to the symbol. Definitely not so acccording to the logic of CSP. - You are using some other kind of logic, according to which symbols do not grow - on the ground of communities, not just by individuals. You seem to be block

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I agree! Kirsti John F Sowa kirjoitti 16.1.2017 23:56: On 1/16/2017 3:32 PM, Clark Goble wrote: I think one can still manage how symbols grow. That is consider them bundles of process. The question ends up being what the limits of the symbol are. Of course that becomes a complex topic too. I

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Ben, Are there omitted parts in your quotes? Marked by -? Best, Kirsti Benjamin Udell kirjoitti 15.1.2017 20:05: Jon A.S., Kirsti, list, Regarding Peirce about reflected-on qualities as generals, I was basing that on the same text as contains CP 1.427 quoted by Jon A.S. That is "§2. Quality"

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Jon S. Not only is continuity the most difficult problem for philosophy to handle, it is also the most difficult problem for mathematics to handle. Taking into consideration the view of CSP that we always have to start with math, then proceed to phenomenology, and only after this try to hand

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> On Jan 16, 2017, at 2:56 PM, John F Sowa wrote: > > I don't believe that it's possible or desirable to put any limits on > the way symbols grow. Any attempt would "block the way of inquiry." One should distinguish between epistemological limits - that is artificial bounds cutting off inquir

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Hi John: Your points about the instability of words and logical terms are well taken, and, I believe, well-recognized by those inquirers who are culturally competent in the history of language development. And, yes, similar principles hold for mathematics, although the “wavelength" is a tad l

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On 1/16/2017 3:32 PM, Clark Goble wrote: I think one can still manage how symbols grow. That is consider them bundles of process. The question ends up being what the limits of the symbol are. Of course that becomes a complex topic too. I don't believe that it's possible or desirable to put any

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> On Jan 15, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Benjamin Udell wrote: > > Gary F., when Peirce in Harvard Lecture 6 says that "the totality of all real > objects" is a "singular", he is pretty clearly discussing that which he > elsewhere calls an individual. Jon A.S. was discussing singulars in Peirce's > ot

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> On Jan 15, 2017, at 8:02 AM, kirst...@saunalahti.fi wrote: > > Peircer's qualities of feelings are not 'generals'. When reflected upon they > appear vague, which does not have any direct relation with tte philosphical > concept of 'general'. I thought Peirce defined them as inversely related

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Ben and Jon, That’s right — or as I would put it, “singular” as a predicate in the semiotic context refers to the reactivity (or existence or Secondness) of its object. The singular/individual distinction is not relevant here as it is in a mathematical context, where all the objects are hypo

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Gary F., Ben, List: I agree with Ben that Peirce used "singular" in a different sense in the 1903 Harvard Lecture that Gary F. referenced. More so even than "individual," he seems to have had in mind how he elsewhere defined "existence"--that which *reacts *with other like things in the environme

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Gary F., Jon A.S., list, Gary F., when Peirce in Harvard Lecture 6 says that "the totality of all real objects" is a "singular", he is pretty clearly discussing that which he elsewhere calls an individual. Jon A.S. was discussing singulars in Peirce's other sense of "singular," that which can

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Jon, While it’s true that a real continuum would contain no singularities, I don’t think you can say that a singular is “only an ideal” for Peirce. Indeed he says that “the totality of all real objects” is a singular. Harvard Lecture 6 (EP2:208-9): [[ That which is not general is singular;

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Jon A.S., Kirsti, list, Regarding Peirce about reflected-on qualities as generals, I was basing that on the same text as contains CP 1.427 quoted by Jon A.S. That is "§2. Quality" http://www.textlog.de/4282.html in "The Logic of Mathematics; An Attempt to Develop My Categories From Within," an

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Kirsti, List: Not surprisingly, I have found that Peirce was exactly right when he stated, "Of all conceptions Continuity is by far the most difficult for Philosophy to handle" (RLT:242). I think that the light bulb finally came on for me when I stopped focusing on a line as consisting of potenti

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Ben, Peircer's qualities of feelings are not 'generals'. When reflected upon they appear vague, which does not have any direct relation with tte philosphical concept of 'general'. Kirsti Jon Alan Schmidt kirjoitti 10.1.2017 06:07: Ben, List: BU: This rule-style of formulation reflects a m

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Jon A.S. First: see my recent response to Jon Awbrey. Second: In developing his theory of true continuity, CSP used the basic geometrical notions of a line and a point. (According to his architecture of sciences, which presents not just an architecture of sciences, but more so a method for pr

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I heartily agree with John. Kirsti John F Sowa kirjoitti 11.1.2017 17:32: On 1/10/2017 2:21 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: Forster's /Peirce and the Threat of Nominalism/. Re: The favorable review by Nathan Houser and the highly critical review by T. L. Short. I believe that both reviewers saw

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> On Jan 11, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Jon Alan Schmidt > wrote: > > It seems telling that three of the four options that you presented here are > negative, and the other one is neutral. As I recall, Forster included the > date with most of his Peirce citations--a practice that I have adopted > my

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John, List: JFS: I believe that both reviewers saw the same issues, and they represent complementary rather than opposite opinions. What struck me was the vast difference in tone. Houser sought to give a fair summary of the book's contents, and then offered that one last paragraph about its "s

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On 1/10/2017 2:21 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: Forster's /Peirce and the Threat of Nominalism/. Re: The favorable review by Nathan Houser and the highly critical review by T. L. Short. I believe that both reviewers saw the same issues, and they represent complementary rather than opposite opini

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Clark, list: What is Forster's attitude toward the pragmatic maxim? Thanks, Jerry Rhee On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Clark Goble wrote: > > On Jan 10, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt > wrote: > > I would be interested in getting your take on Forster's book whenever you > finish it. Nat

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> On Jan 10, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt > wrote: > > I would be interested in getting your take on Forster's book whenever you > finish it. Nathan Houser wrote a review > (http://ndpr.nd.edu/news/29410-peirce-and-the-threat-of-nominalism/ >

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Clark, List: I would be interested in getting your take on Forster's book whenever you finish it. Nathan Houser wrote a review ( http://ndpr.nd.edu/news/29410-peirce-and-the-threat-of-nominalism/) that included a few criticisms at the end, but Thomas Short was quite scathing in his *Transactions

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> On Jan 10, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt > wrote: > > In a few cases, I have decided to go ahead and buy the book after reading it > for free--most recently, Forster's Peirce and the Threat of Nominalism. > Coincidentally I’m halfway through that right now. --

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Clark, List: Other than the *Transactions*, whose online archives are available at no additional cost to subscribers, I have obtained most of my Peirce-related reading material via interlibrary loan. In a few cases, I have decided to go ahead and buy the book after reading it for free--most recen

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> On Jan 10, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Gary Richmond wrote: > > Jon, Ben, list, > > I too agree with both of you on this. Hookway is helpful here. See especially > 0.5 of The Pragmatic Maxim: Essays on Peirce and pragmatism > > https://ucdenver.instructure.com/courses/339417/files/3199485/download?d

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> On Jan 10, 2017, at 7:35 AM, Jon Alan Schmidt > wrote: > > Moore has edited two volumes that may be of interest--Philosophy of > Mathematics: Selected Writings with Peirce's own stuff, and New Essays on > Peirce's Mathematical Philosophy with contributions from various people > including

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Jon, Ben, list, I too agree with both of you on this. Hookway is helpful here. See especially 0.5 of The Pragmatic Maxim: Essays on Peirce and pragmatism https://ucdenver.instructure.com/courses/339417/files/3199485/download?download_frd=1 Best, Gary R [image: Gary Richmond] *Gary Richmond*

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Ben, List: I agree; that is why I acknowledged the distinction between unembodied qualities as medads (feelings) and embodied qualities as monadic predicates (concepts). Regards, Jon On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:49 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: > Jon S., list, > > I don't have a quote handy, but Pei

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Clark, List: Moore has edited two volumes that may be of interest--*Philosophy of Mathematics: Selected Writings* with Peirce's own stuff, and *New Essays on Peirce's Mathematical Philosophy* with contributions from various people including Hookway and Moore. Regards, Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe,

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> On Jan 9, 2017, at 8:35 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt > wrote: > > CG: I agree that this definitely tends to make nominalism self-refuting > which I see as a problem rather than a strength. > > A problem for nominalism or for realism? Is it legitimate for a nominali

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Jon S., list, I don't have a quote handy, but Peirce said specifically that the pragmatic maxim is for clarifying not qualities of feeling, but conceptions. I suppose that that could include conceptions of qualities of feeling, but not the qualities of feeling themselves. A mechanical quality

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Jacob, List: Unless I am misunderstanding you, I disagree--I think that according to Peirce, a general as a continuum is infinite; in fact, it contains *potential *individuals exceeding *all *multitude. I have been advocating the existence/reality distinction on the List for a while now, much to

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Ben, List: BU: This rule-style of formulation reflects a major difference between Peirce's generals and Peirce's qualities of feeling which are generals when reflected on but are not rules and are not formulated as rules. I am not convinced that there is a significant difference here, at least

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Clark, List: CG: I agree that this definitely tends to make nominalism self-refuting which I see as a problem rather than a strength. A problem for nominalism or for realism? Is it legitimate for a nominalist to deny that holding everything real to be singular is self-contradictory, on the gro

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