[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Genealogy conference organized in Azores in 2020

[João Ventura]

There aren't much more news, but it seems it will happen in Terceira 
between 16 and 19th of April.

http://www.azores.gov.pt/GaCS/Noticias/2019/Dezembro/Comunidades+cultura+e+turismo+em+destaque+no+Encontro+de+Genealogia+A%C3%A7oriana+em+abril+na+Terceira

I have no further information than this. I'm not sure the Azorean 
government actually wants genealogists there. It seems aimed at how they 
can leverage it as a source of tourism / income.

João Ventura

On Friday, 11 October 2019 16:27:50 UTC+2, João Ventura wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> It seems that the Azores regional government will organize a genealogy 
> conference in 2020.
>
>
> http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/srapre-drcomunidades/noticias/Governo+Regional+promove+encontro+internacional+de+genealogia+a%C3%A7oriana+em+2020.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-GIcdjlTanu2OZIMP08W8UCTmDmiR7E7wUA5Rr6Ihn2Fyigo4KYuIQUc
>
> Might be a chance to finally meet some of you :)
>
> João Ventura
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean Genealogy conference organized in Azores in 2020

[João Ventura]

Hi everyone,

It seems that the Azores regional government will organize a genealogy 
conference in 2020.

http://www.azores.gov.pt/Portal/pt/entidades/srapre-drcomunidades/noticias/Governo+Regional+promove+encontro+internacional+de+genealogia+a%C3%A7oriana+em+2020.htm?fbclid=IwAR2-GIcdjlTanu2OZIMP08W8UCTmDmiR7E7wUA5Rr6Ihn2Fyigo4KYuIQUc

Might be a chance to finally meet some of you :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A few new books on the CCA

[João Ventura]

Hi all,

Thanks Cheri for noticing the update. I was coming here to also say 
something. ;)

Leonor is completely right. The indexer has been noticing those 27 new 
books since February 9. The book from Pico is not really a new book, but 
since it has a new URL, it is announced as a new book. Previously that 
marriage book indicated a range from 1877 to 1899, and not it only goes to 
1889. The archive does have the books between 1890 and 1899, and I expect 
that they'll be added at some point.

The problem is that the tombo.pt server is currently unable to handle the 
indexer, so the CCA books indexer has been broken for some time.. I had to 
do a manual run yesterday. That's why the announcement was on a Sunday and 
not on a Friday (the day of the week I run the CCA indexer).

João Ventura
https://tombo.pt/en

On Sunday, 10 March 2019 23:06:00 UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> The general guideline that USED TO be followed was that the books from the 
> Civil Registries that were over 100 years old would be sent to the archives 
> on years divisible by 5. So that batch ending in 1905 was sent over in 
> 2005. The next batch (1906-1910) should have been sent in 2010. And so 
> forth and so on. When I went to Sao Miguel last summer (2018) and asked for 
> books between 1906-1915, I was told that the arquives was full and they 
> weren't accepting any more books. George Pacheco went there after me and 
> found they did have some books for a few parishes (I think it was the 
> council of Ponta Delgada). Maybe they figured out how to make more room and 
> are accepting the records from the Civil Registries again. 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 2:56 PM Leonor Bertoni  > wrote:
>
>> H, the 1906 - 1911 baptisms were realeased some time ago. When I 
>> first started in January, only 1905 and before was available. Sometime in 
>> February 1906 - 1911 became available. It only goes to March 1911, I was 
>> hoping this was the rest on 1911. 
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 5:49 PM Rosemarie Capodicci > > wrote:
>>
>>> Cheri, are these some of the books that were not originally filmed by 
>>> Sao Miguel?? If so, this is great for Sao Miguel researchers! All the way 
>>> to 1911, wha whooo. 
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 2:35 PM Cheri Mello >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> For those who don't subscribe to the Tombo.pt alerts, here's today's 
>>>> announcement about more available books from the CCA (in English):
>>>> https://tombo.pt/en/content/new-parish-books-in-20190310
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: cultura acores website

[João Ventura]

Hi,

Just complementing what Cheri said, you can also 
bookmark https://status.tombo.pt/778734960. This is the CCA status details 
page which tells you the approximate time it went down, in Portuguese time. 
In this case it went offline at 4:02 in the middle of the night on a 
Sunday. It should come back soon, when someone in the Azores starts to work.

You'll also be able to see that it's the third time this happens at around 
that time on a Sunday, the previous days having been September 16th, and 
August 19th.

They must be doing on a schedule that breaks their servers...

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Monday, 8 October 2018 05:54:41 UTC+2, Gerri Martin wrote:
>
> Is anybody having trouble accessing the website today? Or do I need to 
> contact my ISP?
>
> Thanks
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tombo.pt website

[João Ventura]

Hi everyone,

Indeed, the CCA site went down and it's still down at this time. You can 
check the status of the CCA website directly here: 
https://status.tombo.pt/778734960

According to that site monitor, the site went down at 04:05 (Lisbon time) 
on Sunday, May 20th.

João Ventura
https://tombo.pt/en

On Sunday, 20 May 2018 19:25:11 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> HI Resa,
>
> There's nothing wrong with Tombo.pt. It's a portal or table of contents to 
> the CCA. Tombo.pt works just fine.
>
> Now, when you click on the link to a particular record set that is housed 
> on the CCA web site, you get the 404 error. Someone else already posted 
> about this. Appears it's been happening all weekend.
>
> I suggest you email them at drac...@azores.gov.pt  and let 
> them know the CCA site with the baptisms, marriages, and deaths is down.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What do you call a suburb?

[João Ventura]

That's true, a freguesia is not a parish.

However... When the freguesias were created in Portugal back in the late 
1800s, and for a few good years after that, the Portuguese state simply 
copied over the list (and area) of the parishes and called them freguesias 
(civil parish). For genealogy research, there is a 1:1 match between a 
freguesia and a parish, way past 1911, which is the moment that the main 
vital records stopped being the parish records (parish-level) and started 
to be the registo civil records (municipality-level).

In other words, don't confuse them. But if you are confused, it should be 
safe to remain that way. Fortunately, no new municipalities have been 
created in the Azores since the 1830s, so in most cases you don't have to 
bother with parishes that suddenly go from one municipality to another.

João Ventura
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On Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:20:17 UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> The words vary from the Azores to the continent.
>
> In the Azores, a suburb or neighborhood is usually referred to as a 
> "lugar" in the documents.
>
> Freguesia is a civil parish, not a church parish. Let's not go there and 
> confuse people, because most North Americans (who are Catholic) think of 
> their parish as the church that they attend. So just call a freguesia a 
> freguesia. It's what used in the documents. They don't say aldeia in the 
> Azores. I haven't seen it in a document, but I've seen it in the online 
> language class (continental Portuguese).  Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Judy Thompson <judy...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> We all refer to places like Lajes  on Pico in concelho of Lajes as a 
>> freguesia but what do we call places like Ribeira do Meio or Rua Nova which 
>> are like suburbs or neighborhoods in Lajes or for Ribeira Seca in Calheta 
>> on Sao Jorge, what do we call Portal or Entre Grutoes?  Can't find my 
>> English/Portuguese dictionary so looked on google translate and found the 
>> following possibilities:
>>
>> suburb = suburbio
>> village = aldeia
>> town or city = cidade
>> neighborhood = bairro
>>
>> Also did not realize that freguesia is actually parish.
>>
>> Hoping Portuguese speakers will have an answer.
>>
>> Thx for any clarification.
>>
>> Judy Thompson
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Coupon codes for Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)

[João Ventura]

Hi Cheri,

Another option is to grab/add codes to this one which seems to be made by 
the 'collective'.. Honestly, I got a link, and have no idea who the author 
is :)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CgXRKz2TySvRqSInveSIYoslO7yexAc9d-BzpNhaY1c/edit?usp=sharing

João Ventura

On Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:24:22 UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes)
>
> This year, they did NOT tell us what coupons would be out there. Last year 
> they told us, but then changed them half way through the sale. So I guess 
> it really doesn't matter.
>
> If you have DNA tested with FTDNA and do NOT want your coupon, please do 
> this.
> 1) Log into the DNA kit.
> 2) Click the Holiday Reward button:
>  [image: Inline image 1]
>
> 3) Scroll down and click Share Rewards:
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> 4) On the screen below, type in the first and last name on the kit. I am 
> the email recipient, so type gfsc...@gmail.com 
> [image: Inline image 3]
>
> I'm going to be dealing with a couple of hundred coupons every week. If 
> you type that your name is Pat, I don't know if you are a Patrick or a 
> Patricia. Then I have to wade through 25 kits trying to figure out which 
> Patrick or Patricia you are. If your coupon code is used, you'll get a 
> Bonus reward. I then will ask if you want that coupon or not (and if the 
> answer is no, go ahead and use it, I'll take care of forwarding it to me).
> Here's what the Bonus Reward coupon looks like:
>  [image: Inline image 4]
>
> If you are new to DNA testing and want a coupon, email me and ask. If you 
> got a coupon for something you already have or don't want and want a 
> different coupon, just email me ask. It's going to take a couple of weeks 
> for us to get a feel for what is out there, but if it's like past years, 
> the most is $20 off a YDNA or mtDNA test and the most for Family Finder was 
> $10. I will give you the best coupon that I have.
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding Your Roots (with Henry Louis Gates, Jr) on PBS; Episode: The Vanguard

[João Ventura]

Hi all,

That piqued my interest! You can see the episode on the web 
here: http://www.pbs.org/video/episode-4-the-vanguard-rpn8vc/

But the only mention to Portuguese ancestors seem to be at 47:22, where her 
maternal grandfather - Arthur Amorin Barret (I guess Artur Amorim Barreto 
in Portuguese) - is listed while panning towards her Hawaiian royal 
ancestors.

João

On Wednesday, 25 October 2017 06:23:31 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I record the show. It's on a smaller budget than "Who Do You Think You 
> Are?" It's no where as showy or flashy. I watch it when I can't fall 
> asleep...Henry Louis Gates' voice puts me to sleep! LOL Sorry, but it does!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 9:19 PM, E. Sharp  > wrote:
>
>> There are some nice You Tube videos she has done about her appearance. 
>> "E"
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Cheri Mello  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Iris B just called to let me know that on PBS (at least in America on the 
>> west coast) on Finding Your Roots (with Henry Louis Gates, Jr), on the 
>> episode called "The Vanguard" will feature activist Janet Mock. She has 
>> Portuguese roots. It's Iris' cousin's cousin. In my area, it's episode 4 of 
>> this season. It repeats throughout this week, so if you get PBS, check it 
>> out.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese records on Archive.org

[João Ventura]

Hey, João Ventura here,

Ok, so some elements:

* archive.org: this is the Internet Archive, a non-profit from San 
Francisco, SA, mostly known for the Wayback machine.
* arquivo.pt: this is the Portuguese Internet Archive, run by the 
government entity that coordinates the Internet used by the Portuguese 
universities.

What you have found seems to be the collection created by arquivo.pt that 
is somehow stored in archive.org (possibly some collaboration). Those files 
in that URL are the complete snapshots of the Portuguese Internet at 
discrete points in time.

If you want to use arquivo.pt, you can use it the same way as the wayback 
machine: you type in a URL in arquivo.pt. For example, this is how tombo.pt 
looked back in 
2014: http://arquivo.pt/wayback/20140929124349/http://tombo.pt/

Oddly enough, for some reason the Wayback machine has more points for 
tombo.pt than arquivo.pt. I guess the frequency of snapshots by arquivo.pt 
is smaller.

João Ventura
https://tombo.pt/en

On Thursday, 12 October 2017 01:31:38 UTC+2, Mara wrote:
>
> Thanks for the correction Cheri.  The site mentions "archivists".
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
> Thanks, Margaret!
>
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Margaret Vicente <margare...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Rosemarie, it is back end like Cheri said but it must serve a purpose 
>> that an archivist like Joao may answer.  I think it is directed at 
>> Archivists not for folks like us.  In any case if you can translate the 
>> attached link it may give you a little more.
>>
>> http://sobre.arquivo.pt/pt/ajuda/o-que-e-o-arquivo-pt/#qe-faq-2084
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for checking, Margaret. I really didn't get what it was about but 
>>> Tombo Joao would know, I'm sure! It just caught my eye when I was perusing 
>>> the other connections on the site. 
>>>
>>> Rosemarie 
>>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Margaret Vicente <margare...@gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's right. I'll let Joao explain how it works.
>>>>
>>>>  If you click on the files it will tell you what to do.  Here's one I 
>>>> clicked on for music. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://ia902701.us.archive.org/11/items/borboletta2014-12-11.bsc2.sbd.flac24/borboletta2014-12-11set1t02.flac
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com 
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand it, but to me, I don't think it means records. Most 
>>>>> of the Internet Archive (and the Wayback Machine) is a web crawler.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Margaret Vicente <
>>>>> margare...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, Joao may explain it better but what I'm looking at is a web 
>>>>>> crawler that checks for file changes on targeted web content.  When the 
>>>>>> crawler finds changes it captures the incremental changes creating a 
>>>>>> file 
>>>>>> that is download-able but not view-able. It is used by search engines to 
>>>>>> keep abreast with internet info changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean this?
>>>>>>> https://archive.org/details/portuguese-web-archive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the Internet Archive that houses the Wayback Machine. What 
>>>>>>> I'm reading on the 
>>>>>>> https://archive.org/details/portuguese-web-archive URL is technical 
>>>>>>> gobbly-gook. Maybe Jo

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Server Not Found

[João Ventura]

Thanks Cheri for the promo :) Was that you that donated with some email I 
didn't recognize as yours?

As to CCA, being down.. There's something I scrapped together for some 
future use in tombo.pt, but haven't had the time to integrate it anywhere:

https://status.tombo.pt/

And specifically regarding the CCA:

https://status.tombo.pt/778734960

You can check if it's down for only you or it seems global. It also tells 
you when the monitors detected the site going down.. In this case it seems 
that the CCA was down for 1h, after being up for 1344h (that's 56 days, or 
uninterrupted since July 10th).

João Ventura
https://tombo.pt/en

On Monday, 4 September 2017 17:54:36 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Tombo.pt is not down. It works. The CCA is down.
>
> Tombo.pt:
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> More Tombo:
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> Even more Tombo:
> [image: Inline image 3]
>
> And more Tombo:
> [image: Inline image 4]
>
> Now to pick my freguesia on Tombo (I'll pick Ponta Garca):
> [image: Inline image 5]
>
> So Tombo is telling me ALL the records above exist for Ponta Garca (you 
> have to click around on the CCA to figure out which record groups exist for 
> a freguesia).
>
> Now I'm going to scroll down to the baptisms:
> [image: Inline image 6]
>
> I'm going to pretend I want something in 1755, so I'm going to click the 
> red circled record group. Once I click this link, I AM LEAVING TOMBO AND 
> GOING TO THE CCA:
>
> I click to go to the record itself on the CCA and.
> [image: Inline image 7]
>
> I am told in 2 places that I am on the CCA. So the CCA is down. Tombo is 
> navigating correctly.
>
>
> Now back to Tombo.
>
> The guy that runs Tombo not only crawls the CCA, but he also crawls the 
> ABM (for Madeira) and the archive for Portugal. And he pays for this 
> website for everyone to use to help navigate the records. Having a website 
> up on the Internet costs money. If you use Tombo, a contribution would be 
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Do it in English (if you are in North America) so you can get to the 
> credit card & PayPal screen in U.S. Dollars:
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
>
> Or leave it in Portuguese and you can donate in Euros.
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA Promo Code?

[João Ventura]

Hi Eric,

You can usually get a pretty good discount for FTDNA in groupon.com. Try 
here: https://www.groupon.com/deals/family-tree-dna-1-1-national

João Ventura
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On Sunday, 3 September 2017 01:22:03 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Promo codes are only the year end Holiday Sale. Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

[João Ventura]

Indeed...

Just to clarify:

1. Microfilms will no longer be orderable on a FHC - last day is August 
31st (9 days from now). Presumably, they won't throw them away, at least 
maybe until the reader breaks down.
2. Current access on the Internet will not change. It will remain exactly 
as it is either via CCA or tombo.pt.

What we're talking here is only that in some books in CCA, the quality is 
so low that to read the smudges you need to see the microfilm. Maybe they 
will eventually upgrade those books to a higher resolution in CCA. We can 
certainly ask them.

However, if you're a Mormon, there's another way to view the microfilms 
online. Take for instance the Vila Franca do Campo 
microfilms: https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/382500 . If you 
scroll down and click on the 'camera' icon, you'll be able to see them 
online at the full resolution. And to clarify. It's not just a FamilySearch 
account - it's an LDS church member FamilySearch account - those have 
higher privileges inside the system allowing them to do temple ordinances. 
There's no way to get an account of this type without becoming a Mormon. If 
you have a FamilySearch account, or you're a FamilySearch indexer, you 
still are locked out of most Portuguese images.

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Monday, 21 August 2017 21:27:03 UTC+2, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Maria, 
>
> Tombo.pt is a portal put together by Joao Ventura in order to access the 
> CCA records faster. Tombo.pt has nothing to do with FamilySearch.org. The 
> Genealogy Society of Utah originally signed a contract with the Azorean 
> government to microfilm their records that were held in the Archives in 
>  Angra. FamilySearch.org has now digitized *those micirofilms* and that 
> is what we are talking about here, nothing to do with the portal Tombo.pt 
> nor the actual church records that the Azorean Govt. has digitized 
> themselves and put online on the CCA website.  
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Maria Lima <maria@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Rosemarie,
>>
>> So, does this mean that shortly will we not have access to tombo and the 
>> CCA anymore online?  
>>
>> Maria Elena 
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Marie Elena,
>> Once you are at a FHC you can ask one of the LDS people use their 
>> password to let you into the digitized Azorean records. I'm sure that they 
>> will let you use them at the FHC, you just won't be able to access them at 
>> home. 
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Maria Lima <maria@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Joao.  Now I understand.  I wasn't thinking about accessing the 
>>> records through familysearch because I mostly use Tombo.pt to see the 
>>> records.  I didn't even know I could currently access the CCA records from 
>>> familysearch.  Ill have to find out how to do that.  Thanks for all you do. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> Maria Elena 
>>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2017, at 11:42 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> FamilySearch has to negotiate with each government about their records. 
>>> Since the Azores are an autonomous region, I would think that would mean a 
>>> different agreement. I tried to view Madeira (since they too have a 
>>> different government). After 5 minutes of the spinning wheel, I gave up. I 
>>> know the Cape Verde records can be viewed from home. However, the last 
>>> information I had (from over 2 years ago) was that negotiations broke down 
>>> with the Azorean government. I can try to find out when I'm in SLC. I don't 
>>> know who the guy is who is in charge of negotiating with Western Europe, 
>>> but hopefully, I can find out.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 1:21 AM, João Ventura <jo...@venturas.org 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Rcik,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we're talking about the Church records, that you see on CCA (
>>>> tombo.pt is just a faster gateway to the same content). The quality of 
>>>> the CCA records is the pro

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

[João Ventura]

Hi Rcik,

Yes, we're talking about the Church records, that you see on CCA (tombo.pt 
is just a faster gateway to the same content). The quality of the CCA 
records is the problem. In the later years, they uploaded higher quality 
images, but the initial online books have really low quality versions.

If FamilySearch allowed you to see them (if covered under the same 
agreement as mainland Portugal, only LDS church members are allowed to see 
them in FamilySearch), you'd see that they provide a much higher quality 
image than CCA ever has. And yes, I do know that they all come from the 
same source. It's just that FamilySearch gives you the scan in it's 
original max scan resolution, and CCA reduced it in size and quality to 
save on the network bandwidth.

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Friday, 18 August 2017 21:41:26 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:
>
> *Ok we are talking about the Church records (baptism, marriage, and obits) 
> that we currently view on Tombo and CCA.  Then If I try to view these 
> records through Family Search the quality will be poor but if we view them 
> through Tombo and CCA they will be the same as we see today?*
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *João Ventura
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 1:44 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued
>
>  
>
> No, I'm talking about the church records (baptism, marriage and obits).
>
>  
>
> João
>
> On Friday, 18 August 2017 19:10:30 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:
>
> *Joao,  Could you clarify this. When you say the books you are not talking 
> about the church records. Do I understand this correctly?*
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *João Ventura
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 12:53 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued
>
>  
>
> This is terrible news.
>
>  
>
> The Portuguese archives are not available from FamilySearch, except for 
> those with LDS accounts or some rare cases like Braga or Coimbra.
>
>  
>
> There are books available in CCA where the image is so low resolution that 
> I might as well be looking at it in Minecraft, and the only possibility to 
> read them is to go to a FHC and ask for the microfilm.
>
>  
>
> João Ventura
>
> http://tombo.pt/en
>
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

[João Ventura]

No, I'm talking about the church records (baptism, marriage and obits).

João

On Friday, 18 August 2017 19:10:30 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:
>
> *Joao,  Could you clarify this. When you say the books you are not talking 
> about the church records. Do I understand this correctly?*
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *João Ventura
> *Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 12:53 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued
>
>  
>
> This is terrible news.
>
>  
>
> The Portuguese archives are not available from FamilySearch, except for 
> those with LDS accounts or some rare cases like Braga or Coimbra.
>
>  
>
> There are books available in CCA where the image is so low resolution that 
> I might as well be looking at it in Minecraft, and the only possibility to 
> read them is to go to a FHC and ask for the microfilm.
>
>  
>
> João Ventura
>
> http://tombo.pt/en
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Casais das Flores e do Corvo no longer in Amazon - new book coming soon

[João Ventura]

Just got the book (finally).

It covers all the island. In comparison with the Casais book, it doesn't 
include Corvo, and it re-organizes all the data in a classical descendents 
report format.

I'm attaching an image of some people that may ring a bell to you Eric.

My opinion of it? It should be an ebook... I want to search names, and I 
don't want to read and turn 782 pages each time.

Thankfully, the author seems to have realized that it's better to leave the 
book in amazon, so I'd still recommend to buy that one as well: 
https://www.amazon.com/Casais-das-Flores-Corvo-Portuguese-ebook/dp/B00AQAOOF6

During the process to buy the book, I got a list from the Lajes city hall 
that indicates they have a lot of other of Francisco Gomes's books still 
for sale in the dead tree version.

Best regards,

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en


<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bXI6FzwH20E/WZcdKxtE0yI/AhA/pNoMcfj81bgGwWvFp5uHPypZBra4jZArACLcBGAs/s1600/2017-08-18%2B18.56.20.jpg>On
 
Tuesday, 18 July 2017 03:47:49 UTC+2, luiznoia wrote:
>
> Ron da Silva just sent word from Flores, he attended the book dedication.
>
> It is 782 pages , covering the Concelho of Santa Cruz.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Jul 5, 2017 10:26 AM, "Margaret Vicente" <margare...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Joao.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you! Keep us posted! I will ask Family Search to obtain a copy too.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 9:41 AM, João Ventura <jo...@venturas.org 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Got some updated info.
>>>>
>>>> The book will be released in July 14th at 20:00. Apparently it costs 
>>>> €10.. I'll reserve my judgment on this price once I get my hands on it.
>>>>
>>>> I've asked Lajes City Hall for details on how to order outside of 
>>>> Portugal.
>>>>
>>>> João
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, 7 June 2017 14:00:48 UTC+1, João Ventura wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Some good news (and bad) for all those doing research in Flores. 
>>>>> Francisco Gomes will release a new book in mid-July during the Festa do 
>>>>> Emigrante.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bad news is that as preparation for this, he pulled the "Casais 
>>>>> das Flores e do Corvo" ebook from Amazon. It seems it's still available 
>>>>> in 
>>>>> iTunes and Barnes, but he may pull them out of there as well. If 
>>>>> you 
>>>>> ever do research in Flores, I recommend that you get the ebook while it's 
>>>>> still available: 
>>>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo/id588378486 
>>>>> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo-francisco-gomes/1114254163?ean=9789892034348
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> João C. Ventura
>>>>> http://tombo.pt/en
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Microfilms discontinued

[João Ventura]

This is terrible news.

The Portuguese archives are not available from FamilySearch, except for 
those with LDS accounts or some rare cases like Braga or Coimbra.

There are books available in CCA where the image is so low resolution that 
I might as well be looking at it in Minecraft, and the only possibility to 
read them is to go to a FHC and ask for the microfilm.

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Friday, 4 August 2017 01:38:11 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> My understanding is that the Azorean Govenement must enter an agreement 
> with Family Search to allow the indexing to begin. I don't know if any such 
> agreement was made. Last I heard, negotiations between the Azorean 
> government and Family Search broke down. I don't know if any attempts have 
> been made again (from a couple of years ago).
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Pat Frade <pat_...@byu.edu > 
> wrote:
>
>> Please refer to this article: the microfilms are being discontinued.
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> https://familysearch.org/blog/en/microfilm-distribution-discontinued-august-31-2017/
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> From my last post a few months ago, I think Rosemarie said that the 
>> microfilms are on disc. I think they need to be index so they can be put 
>> online and *searchable* (that is the key word).
>>
>>  
>>
>> I would ask Cheri or Rosemarie to call the SLC Family History Library and 
>> ask the Portuguese Librarian to set up a time at the conference where we 
>> could meet together (maybe right after dinner) where questions can be 
>> asked/answered.
>>
>>  
>>
>> My understanding is very basic – but I am really pushing for these 
>> records to be indexed. What that mean – and please verify this with the 
>> librarian – we wouldn’t necessarily need to learn to read the old 
>> Portuguese script. We could type in a name, and the image will come up 
>> along with the “transcribe” information. I just looked up a name in 
>> FamilySearch – the name was Helen Evans, residence in California, and the 
>> top result was a census record, on the right side is the original document, 
>> and on the left side is the transcribe infor. On Ancestry you get the 
>> transcribed information, or it may look for a name in a document (like a 
>> newspaper).
>>
>>  
>>
>> The documents would have to be indexed (transcribed) by a person, I have 
>> seen it done. There is an army of people who are indexing records – my 
>> neighbor was working on the WWII veterans records. We just need to know IF 
>> the Azorean records have been indexed, if not where are they in the queue 
>> and if they are in the queue how many petitions would it take to move it 
>> forward.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Let’s talk more at the conference.
>>
>>  
>>
>> *Pat Frade*
>>
>> Manuscript Cataloger
>>
>> 6741 Harold B. Lee Library
>>
>> Brigham Young University
>>
>> Provo, UT 84602
>>
>> 801-422-6730
>>
>> pat_...@byu.edu  
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Warning about DNA Projects on Social Media.

[João Ventura]

Richard,

I think that you're painting it slightly wrong.

This individual (Doug) was removed from projects that he created, where he 
somehow got money to pay for many tests to Azoreans that he still manages 
and were grouped in these projects.

As a way to make FTDNA notice that he has support among some FTDNA users 
(and he has), he asked for people to leave the Azores and Portugal 
projects. I don't support this action, but I do understand it. Even more so 
in the case of the Portugal project which honestly seems abandoned.

The way you put it is "FTDNA refused to provide him with personal 
information". The way he puts it is that "FTDNA doesn't want overlapping 
projects".

I just wish somehow you all would be able to sit down, relax and agree to 
disagree, but work together to advance the cause of Azorean Genealogy.

Then again, I've been called a dreamer many times,

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Saturday, 12 August 2017 02:30:59 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:
>
> I have been involved in DNA Testing for over 10 years having started with 
> the National Geographic Project in 2006. During the course of the years I 
> have read and learned much about DNA Testing and what it will and will not 
> do.
>
> I have recently learned that a DNA Group in Social Media is giving wrong 
> and misleading information about DNA in an effort to draw people from 
> legitimate projects sponsored by DNA testing Companies.
>
> People are being told:  “mtDNA is still too useless until we get a 
> massive increase and even then I don't think being in a project will really 
> help. The only real help for mtDNA is to look at your matches and contact 
> them. Nothing more is necessary“. This statement shows me a total lack of 
> understanding DNA. 
>
> mtDNA is useful. If two tests match at the full sequence testing level and 
> live in the same geographical area. (in this case an island or better 
> Freguesia in the Azores), then the odds that they have a common maternal 
> ancestor is greatly increased. I recently came across a project where the 
> founding women from the Arcadian region in Canada were being matched to 
> their female descendant’s mtDNA.   I can guarantee that a person who tests 
> their full sequence mtDNA with the results of W3a2 with a female French 
> Canadian line are a direct maternal line descendant of Marie Marguarite who 
> was born in France around 1620. So to say that MtDNA is useless is ignorant.
>
> I was a family finder match with a gentleman and when I looked at his 
> profile I saw he was and adoptee. I also noted he had done the mtDNA and 
> his results were he was a W3a2. When I contacted him for more information 
> he told me his adoptive parents were told he was of Canadian and Irish 
> decent. I told him of the French Canadian W3a2’s and that gave him his 
> first big clue in finding his biological mother. When I checked back with 
> him several months later he had broken his maternal wall thanks to mtDNA 
> and Autosomal DNA testing and yes Marie Marguarite was his maternal line.
>
> People are also being told “The same thing goes for people who have done 
> Family Finder testing. I see no reason to join a project – zero”. It is 
> well proven that Autosomal DNA testing will identify relationships and rule 
> out relationships. For those who have taken this test, know, Family Finder 
> will give you results that help  in breaking down walls.
>
> Why should you join a DNA Project with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA)? 
>
> FTDNA regards privacy of the individual most important and will not 
> release information to 3rd parties for research or allow open searching 
> of results. Your contact information is only given to persons that you 
> match.
>
> FTDNA search tools are better than any which you will find on social media.
>
> FTDNA allows you to isolate matches that belong to a single project.
>
> FTDNA administrators are given opportunities to further their knowledge at 
> yearly conferences in Houston with DNA experts such as Spencer Wells.
>
> FTDNA administrators are held accountable for enforcing company rules in 
> regard to privacy.
>
> The FTDNA administrators will never make changes to kits unless they are 
> directed by the owner of the kits or add or delete projects they belong to 
> unlike the owner of this group on Facebook.
>
> The bottom line is that this individual has a vendetta against the Azores 
> DNA Project and the Portugal project because the Administrators refused to 
> provide personal information that they had a fiduciary responsibility to 
> protect.
>
> If you feel your DNA Test logon password is compromised then I urge you to 
> change it so that just you have control over your information and not any 
> unscrupulous perso

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Casais das Flores e do Corvo no longer in Amazon - new book coming soon

[João Ventura]

Got some updated info.

The book will be released in July 14th at 20:00. Apparently it costs €10.. 
I'll reserve my judgment on this price once I get my hands on it.

I've asked Lajes City Hall for details on how to order outside of Portugal.

João

On Wednesday, 7 June 2017 14:00:48 UTC+1, João Ventura wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Some good news (and bad) for all those doing research in Flores. Francisco 
> Gomes will release a new book in mid-July during the Festa do Emigrante.
>
> The bad news is that as preparation for this, he pulled the "Casais das 
> Flores e do Corvo" ebook from Amazon. It seems it's still available in 
> iTunes and Barnes, but he may pull them out of there as well. If you 
> ever do research in Flores, I recommend that you get the ebook while it's 
> still available: 
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo/id588378486 
> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo-francisco-gomes/1114254163?ean=9789892034348
>
> Best regards,
>
> João C. Ventura
> http://tombo.pt/en
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casais das Flores e do Corvo no longer in Amazon - new book coming soon

[João Ventura]

Hi Eric,

The new book is published by the Lajes City Hall.. There's no way that it 
won't include Lajes again.

He never got the funds from the Santa Cruz City Hall to proceed with Vol. 
2, 20 years ago (you can read his resentment for that in the preface for 
the Casais book).

João

On Sunday, 11 June 2017 01:45:23 UTC+2, luiznoia wrote:
>
> The first book covered the families of Lajes concelho. The new one should 
> cover Santa Cruz concelho.
>
> On Jun 9, 2017 12:55 PM, "Liz Migliori"  
> wrote:
>
> Lol got a little excited there
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:09 PM, Cheri Mello  
> wrote:
>
> No Jeremy and Liz, go back and reread what Joao C. Ventura wrote. The new 
> title is "Genealogias da Ilha das Flores (Açores)." That translates to 
> "Genealogies of the Island of Flores (Azores)." So no, not all 9 islands. 
> ONE island - Flores.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casais das Flores e do Corvo no longer in Amazon - new book coming soon

[João Ventura]

Hi all,

I honestly know nothing other than the what Francisco Gomes told me: the 
name of the book, which is "Genealogias da Ilha das Flores (Açores)". 
Looking for it, I also got this blog post where he asks for data on living 
persons: 
http://ailhadasflores.blogspot.de/2014/08/genealogias-das-flores-um-projeto-que.html

The book will be released in the "Festa do Emigrante" in  Lajes das Flores, 
which will be held July 14 to July 17. He will probably be able to sign the 
book in person to anyone attending the "Festa".  But note that Flores has 
scarce available accommodation, and it will probably be full already 
(although, airbnb is your friend :) ). The book is published by the Camara 
Municipal of Lajes das Flores. So it will be paper-only. And you won't find 
it available for sale in any website (not even theirs...). When I get some 
more data, I'll post it here.

The "Casais das Flores" as ebook, has one major advantage over the paper 
version: you can press Ctrl+F and do a full-content search. In a book like 
this, think of the ebook as getting a copy of his database. So if you were 
planning to eventually buy the ebook, but haven't gotten around to it yet, 
do it ASAP, as it will be gone as fast as the Apple or B receive his 
request to remote it:

Apple iBooks: 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo/id588378486
Barnes & Noble: 
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo-francisco-gomes/1114254163?ean=9789892034348

As Robert indicated,  Francisco Gomes already did a family-centered book a 
long time ago for the Lajes das Flores + Fazenda + Lajedo parishes. This 
time, it probably covers the entire island. Not many people have part 1, so 
it probably makes no sense to publish part 2, 20 years later.

Best regards,

João C. Ventura
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On Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:50:59 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> The "Casais das Flores e Corvo" (The Couples of Flores and Corvo) or the 
> Flores marriage book took the marriages from the beginning to 1911. So book 
> 2 would go from 1912-1916?  Or is this a book of baptisms or something else?
>
> There were eBooks of the Flores marriage book. João C. Ventura (NOT the 
> archivist) convinced Francisco Gomes to release it in that format on a 
> couple of different sites. Salt Lake City has it in the eBook version. I'll 
> have to find the original post later where the eBook formats were.
>
> NOTE to New People: This list has 1600? 1700? people on it. At this point 
> we have more than one John, Pat, Shirley, Robert, etc. And we have more 
> than one João Ventura. One João Ventura is an archivist. He signs his name 
> João Ventura. He's the one that does research for hire and works in the 
> archives on Tereira. The João making this post is João C. Ventura, a 
> computer programmer or software engineer. He signs his name as João C. 
> Ventura. Think "C" for computers. Hope that helps to keep them straight.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Casais das Flores e do Corvo no longer in Amazon - new book coming soon

[João Ventura]

Hi everyone,

Some good news (and bad) for all those doing research in Flores. Francisco 
Gomes will release a new book in mid-July during the Festa do Emigrante.

The bad news is that as preparation for this, he pulled the "Casais das 
Flores e do Corvo" ebook from Amazon. It seems it's still available in 
iTunes and Barnes, but he may pull them out of there as well. If you 
ever do research in Flores, I recommend that you get the ebook while it's 
still available: 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo/id588378486 
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/casais-das-flores-e-do-corvo-francisco-gomes/1114254163?ean=9789892034348

Best regards,

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA down for just me or everyone else?

[João Ventura]

You can check if it's only you or also others here: 

https://status.tombo.pt/778734960

The seem to be down since April 28th at 19:30.

João Ventura

On Friday, 28 April 2017 21:42:10 UTC+2, Joanne wrote:
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> Wondering if it’s because I’m at a genealogy conference that I can't 
> access the site from here. Please advise - thanks!
>
> Joanne Grota Mercier
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Off Line

[João Ventura]

:(

I did something a few weeks ago, mostly for the continental Archives, but 
it seems it might be useful to track the CCA after 
all: https://status.tombo.pt/?page=2

And in specific the CCA details: https://status.tombo.pt/778734960

João Ventura
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On Sunday, 19 March 2017 06:52:44 UTC, Louie Avila wrote:
>
> Done
>
> On Mar 18, 2017 11:44 PM, "Cheri Mello" <gfsc...@gmail.com > 
> wrote:
>
>> Report it here:
>> drac...@azores.gov.pt 
>>
>> Always thank them for their valuable database, etc, then let them know 
>> that it's down. Writing in English is OK.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Louie Avila <louielo...@gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Here we go again ... :'(
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[AZORES-Genealogy] "New" Madalena books in CCA

[João Ventura]

Hi everyone,

For those that don't get the tombo.pt newsletter, I just wanted to let you 
know that the CCA has released the following books from Madalena, Pico:
* Casamentos 1655 – 1664
* Óbitos 1661 – 1664 (this is incorrectly named as a baptismos document - 
my site has it correctly in the list of death records).

And for those that don't get the newsletter, and would like to get 
it: https://tombo.pt/en/newsletter/subscriptions

Also, for those that are also researching Madeira, there's a new website 
for ARM: http://abm.madeira.gov.pt/arquivo/ (it's not indexed yet in 
tombo.pt, as there's a bug in the search function in this new site).

João Ventura
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Down

[João Ventura]

Hi Tish.

The CCA would not have to give away the data.. The data provided by the CCA 
was actually obtained from FamilySearch in the first place, which in turn 
scanned the originals in the Horta, Angra and Ponta Delgada archives (which 
are a separate entity than the CCA, all of them dependent of the DRaC - the 
Regional Cultural Agency).

As to CCA as resource for tourism and revenue, I don't follow. The data 
could also stay where it is currently. You would just have two sources.. 
It's just that one of the sources has massive pockets for genealogy. And of 
course, they could serve you the high-resolution scan of the books, instead 
of the reduced-beyond-recognition images that some older books have in CCA.

João Ventura
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* Well, not really always, but we're talking about genealogical timeframes, 
not geological ones.

On Monday, 16 January 2017 18:26:05 UTC+1, sfig wrote:
>
> João, thank you for your input. You are so right. The down time for CCA 
> should not make CCA so discredited. They are doing a great service. We are 
> living in a society where everyone is so impatient. Does it really matter 
> if you are unable to look something up for a day, or two? I also agree, 
> Familysearch has the resources, but for the Azores to give away the data 
> would not only mean nobody would go to CCA, but would reduce CCA as a 
> resource for tourism and revenue. Why do you think the Portuguese are 
> offering citizenships with so little commitment to the people who apply 
> (revenue)? I am not writing this in criticism of Portugal, it's just the 
> climate of small governments around the world at this time.
>
> Tish 
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:38 AM, João Ventura <jo...@venturas.org 
> > wrote:
>
>> Victor,
>>
>> The "cloud" is not free... And while I do agree that on principle it 
>> would make sense, the truth is that the thing that's REALLY expensive on 
>> the cloud is storage. You can get Amazon Web Services to scale easily the 
>> number of servers, but telling that each of those servers would have to be 
>> able to store and replicate several Terabytes of data would probably 
>> consume the budget for the whole archipelago quite fast.
>>
>> And it doesn't make sense to have several servers all going to the same 
>> storage server wherever they store all those images.
>>
>> Things that would make sense:
>> 1. Allowing Familysearch to serve those images (pros: free, and no work 
>> necessary; cons: nobody would use the CCA servers ever again).
>> 2. See 1., to be honest.
>>
>> João Ventura
>> https://tombo.pt/en
>>
>> On Saturday, 14 January 2017 19:10:58 UTC+1, Victor Soares wrote:
>>>
>>> They should load all that data up on the cloud to be fault tolerant. 
>>> Likely cheaper and less of a maintenance hassle for the CCA admins. 
>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 09:42 Ângela Loura <angel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Contacts:
>>>>
>>>> drac.i...@azores.gov.pt
>>>> drac...@azores.gov.pt 
>>>>
>>>> 2017-01-14 17:35 GMT+00:00 Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>>> rickre...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> *CCA seems to have gone down this morning around 10:00 am EST. As of 
>>>>> now it is still down.*
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>> *Rick*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Down

[João Ventura]

Victor,

The "cloud" is not free... And while I do agree that on principle it would 
make sense, the truth is that the thing that's REALLY expensive on the 
cloud is storage. You can get Amazon Web Services to scale easily the 
number of servers, but telling that each of those servers would have to be 
able to store and replicate several Terabytes of data would probably 
consume the budget for the whole archipelago quite fast.

And it doesn't make sense to have several servers all going to the same 
storage server wherever they store all those images.

Things that would make sense:
1. Allowing Familysearch to serve those images (pros: free, and no work 
necessary; cons: nobody would use the CCA servers ever again).
2. See 1., to be honest.

João Ventura
https://tombo.pt/en

On Saturday, 14 January 2017 19:10:58 UTC+1, Victor Soares wrote:
>
> They should load all that data up on the cloud to be fault tolerant. 
> Likely cheaper and less of a maintenance hassle for the CCA admins. 
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 09:42 Ângela Loura <angel...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> Contacts:
>>
>> drac.i...@azores.gov.pt 
>> drac...@azores.gov.pt  
>>
>> 2017-01-14 17:35 GMT+00:00 Richard Francis Pimentel <rickre...@gmail.com 
>> >:
>>
>>> *CCA seems to have gone down this morning around 10:00 am EST. As of now 
>>> it is still down.*
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *Rick*
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA "Holiday Reward" coupons

[João Ventura]

Yes, I agree.

However, I'm guessing they want to discourage people paying with Paypal.. 
Their processing fees are a bit higher than other payment options.

João

On Thursday, 17 November 2016 18:12:26 UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes)
>
> I've got a payment question, so I thought I would post it to all lists.
>
> Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) accepts Visa, MasterCard, American Express.
>
> If you want to use PayPal, you need to call them at 713-868-1438 (then 
> press 3) M-Th 9 a.m. - 5 p.m. and Fri 9 a.m.-12 noon CST.
>
> If you are NOT in the U.S. (or cannot call during those hours), you're 
> going to have to email me and I'll have to place the order for you on 
> Invoice. Then I'll notify FTDNA and they will set up a personal PayPal link 
> for you to use.
>
> You'd think a DNA company that ships worldwide and deals with science 
> would have a Pay Pal option on the payment screen.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes)
>>
>> This coupon code thing is working somewhat differently this year (and 
>> they got rid of that dancing box that drove some of us with multiple kits 
>> crazy).
>>
>> 1) Log into your DNA page (or for a kit you manage).
>> 2) Click on the Holiday Reward button.
>> 3) Decide if you want the coupon or not. If not.
>> 4) Scroll about halfway down to the GREEN "Share Now" button.
>> 5) Share it with gfsc...@gmail.com 
>>
>> COPY AND PASTING THE CODE INTO AN EMAIL TO ME WILL NOT WORK!!!
>>
>> They are tracking the coupons this year and they KNOW it will come from 
>> your kit. Once that code is used you will get a "better" coupon next time. 
>> "Better" is relative, of course. If you are on the hunt for more Family 
>> Finder coupons, you don't care that you get a $20 off of a Y, then a $40 
>> off of Y67, then a $60 off of Y111. You want Family Finder. So what is 
>> "better?" If you need a Y67 coupon, then $60 is better than $20. Not if you 
>> want mtDNA or Fam.Finder.
>>
>> At any rate, someone is going to HAVE TO use your coupon code in order to 
>> get a "different" coupon. Will forwarding it to me and having me as a 
>> clearing house and forwarding it to a 3rd party work? I don't know. If not, 
>> I'm going to have to keep a spread sheet of who wants what and where it's 
>> coming from. 
>>
>> I already have a request for 2 Fam.Finder coupons and one for mtDNA.
>>
>> So, for now, "Share" the coupon with me until we figure out how this 
>> really works.
>> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] New book in CCA: SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-O-1822-1844

[João Ventura]

Hi everyone,

This morning, the tombo.pt site detected a "new" death records book, it's 
from the Água de Pau parish in São Miguel, covering the years 1822 to 1844.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-O-1822-1844/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-O-1822-1844_item1/index.html

It's been a long time since they last had something new, so most of you 
probably stopped looking at tombo.pt for any news out of CCA, which is why 
I decided to come here and warn you.

Best regards,

João Ventura
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CORVO is on Universidade do Minho/NEPS

[João Ventura]

Eliseu,

Amazing news! How did you find out about it?

João Ventura
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On Thursday, 21 July 2016 14:34:41 UTC+1, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:
>
> HI!
>
> The Genealogy of Corvo Island is made available for everyone  by Norberta 
> Amorim of Pico. Go to NEPS and enjoy! (
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html)
>
>  
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva, “sharing is the best way of growth… so stay 
> gold!”*
>
> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
>
> (http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel?lang=en)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Revamp of the Azores GenWeb

[João Ventura]

Kathy,

>From my part, thanks for the referrals to tombo. I'm glad it simplifies 
using your site as well.

João Ventura
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On Sunday, 15 November 2015 04:05:05 UTC+1, Kathy Cardoza wrote:
>
> I did a rework of the Azores GenWeb site and just got it published 
> tonight. I hope it simplifies everything. If you find anything amiss, 
> please let me know.
>
> Kathy
> ~~~
> Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html
>
> Climb my Family Tree:
> http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTM 2014

[João Ventura]

Al,

Get a Dropbox account and backup to the cloud.. It's a lot less hassle, and 
a lot safer than a DVD. Unless of course, you forget the password, or lose 
access to your email.

João

On Monday, 16 November 2015 16:57:19 UTC+1, biga...@aol.com wrote:
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> *I want to backup my files to  a removable Media such as DVD. The program 
> will not allow me to backup to DVD. I guess I want to try a flash drive. 
> How do you do that.  *
>  
> Al Sequeira
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Census records for the Azores

[João Ventura]

The Portuguese census should cover the Azores as well, but to my knowledge, 
the raw data no longer exists or at least has not yet been provided online. 
You can read the reports starting from the 1864 census here:

http://censos.ine.pt/xportal/xmain?xpid=INE=censos_historia_pt

João Ventura
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On Tuesday, 20 October 2015 00:33:34 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> The only census type record that exists for the Azores are the Confession 
> Rolls. The priest recorded the names of everyone who received confession 
> during Lent, I believe. They are church records and each individual church 
> holds their own records. Or what exists.
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Could the CCA records be down??

[João Ventura]

Hi everyone..

I've been away for a few months... I haven't been doing much research on 
the Azorean side lately, so I dropped out for a while..

I can see you're all having withdrawal pains from the CCA site being down. 
It's their site that's down, not tombo.pt, so there's nothing I can do.

As to the 'new' site, this is OLD news (search in this group for my 
messages announcing it more than 18 months ago: "arquivos.azores.gov.pt'"). 
It's a catalog site, and for now I see no evidence that they're adding 
records to it.. The one book that you've found there (Estrela baptisms from 
1541 to 1563) has been there since at least March 13 2014. I see no 
evidence that anything is changing regarding that site (and trust me, I 
would know within 24hrs). This other site served a purpose for all of us 
once, when they still hadn't provided everything online. Now that they've 
digitized everything upto 1911, I don't think we'll get any news from them 
in some time.. The tombo.pt sites still checks every week, so if there are 
any news, it will find out automatically. Also, if they ever switch to this 
new site also for the digitized images, tombo.pt will adapt and provide you 
with the listings for each parish, same as today.

I see that Cheri has already contacted them, and I'm sure they're aware of 
the problem. Let's hope that it's not serious.. Unfortunately, I know as 
much as you. These things happen, but usually it's solved with a simple 
reboot of the machines.

João C. Ventura
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On Sunday, 11 October 2015 19:59:46 UTC+2, Maryann Santos wrote:
>
> I do the same! Yikes!
> mas
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  > wrote:
>
>> Oh boy, this is going to take some getting used to! I really, really, 
>> hope that the image numbers on the docs are the same as the old site, if 
>> not I'm in BIG trouble! I use those image numbers to reference where in the 
>> book my doc is, Norte Grande, Sao Jorge records are such a mess that some 
>> of the pages have 3 numbers listed as a page number, I've used the Image 
>> numbers so I wouldn't have to worry about those page numbers. 
>> I hope that they will put the tag at the top also that says what Island, 
>> village, baptism etc. and time period also listed. 
>>
>> Let's hope that Joao C. Ventura is aware of the change and that he will 
>> be able to figure it out and list the 'easy' way on his Tombo site! Keep 
>> your fingers crossed people! 
>>
>> Rosemarie 
>> rcap...@gmail.com 
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 9:13 AM, linda > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> No kidding!  I'm very comfortable with the old system too!  Not looking 
>>> forward to this new thing...
>>>
>>> L.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 11, 2015 at 8:56:58 AM UTC-7, Maryann Santos wrote:

 Thank you so much, Linda. Didn't realize how addicted I was to the old 
 way of viewing the documents - nearly panicked!!

 MaryAnn

 On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:52 AM, linda  wrote:

>
> Hi Maryann,
>
> There was no choice.  I clicked on "Registo de Baptismos"  with the 
> book image in the link that Joanne provided.  It goes to that page.  
>
> It might be possible to navigate by changing the values in the address 
> bar, but that would take some experimentation.  The site isn't functional 
> as far as I can see.  Best practice is to "sandbox" a new site/software 
> before the posting public links, but mistakes happen.
>
> If you go to the information page:
>
> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/help
>
> you can read a bit about this new viewer.  You can also see "Ipsum 
> Lorem" placeholder text in at least one of the boxes.  This also suggests 
> that they haven't finished filling in information in the templates 
> provided 
> by the new software.
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Sunday, October 11, 2015 at 8:36:25 AM UTC-7, Maryann Santos wrote:
>>
>> How did you get it to the right parish and how did you get it to 
>> display. Sorry is this seems like a dumb question but I haven't been 
>> able 
>> to figure out how to navigate this site.
>>
>> mas
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 11:02 AM, linda  wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like they're changing the page format and/or the viewer:
>>>
>>> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/viewer?id=1021142
>>>
>>> As of 8:00am Pacific time the link works and goes to a page with 
>>> thumbnail images on the left with a main image of a registry page to 
>>> their 
>>> right.  It's similar to the format we're accustomed to but updated.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interpretation of Baptismal Record for Claudia, daughter of Florencia - Ponta Delgada, Flores 1806

[João Ventura]

David,

This is all amazing information. Thanks a lot! You're related to wife as 
you can see in this relationship diagram from her to Florencia Rosa:

http://venturas.org/familytree/relationship.php?ged=venturas=I5=I152

This is all I know about her (and her children):

http://venturas.org/familytree/family.php?famid=F60=venturas

In this case I think that Maria de Fraga Nunes is also Maria Coelho. Women 
didn't really have surnames at the time, and they basically had their 
parents surnames or a religious one. 

Such a lousy time for the CCA site to be offline..

João C. Ventura
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On Tuesday, 6 October 2015 00:38:58 UTC+2, Kawika322 wrote:
>
> Eric, 
>
> I found the death record for Maria de Jesus - one of the other children of 
> Florencia. It states that Florencia was a native of Corvo. Top right, No. 12
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-O-1860-1870/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-O-1860-1870_item1/P83.html
>
> I have look through quite a few records and yet to find death record of 
> Florencia, however I looked for her baptismal record (in Corvo) and the 
> only thing I could find was this record: Left side, top record. 
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-B-1742-1779/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-B-1742-1779_item1/P121.html
>
> The mother is listed as Maria de Fraga Nunes, and in the other records of 
> Florencia's children, the mother of Florencia is listed as Maria Coelho, so 
> I am not sure if this is the right one. However, it seems from looking 
> through all the records, this is the only Florencia born on Corvo during 
> the appropriate time frame to a single mother, so it very well could be the 
> right one. 
>
> If you could let me know what you think it would be greatly appreciated. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
>  David
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2015 at 9:17:06 AM UTC-7, luiznoia wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's a Santa Cruz, Flores marriage record of a Monica  :
>>
>>
>> João Pimentel Canhoto [f.º de Manuel Pimentel Canhoto e de Inácia
>> Rosa] c. 1816.08.12 c. Mónica Coelho [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das
>> Flores, f.ª de pai incógnito e de Florência Rosa].
>>
>>
>> *If it's the same as in the baptism record, she'd be 20 yrs old*
>>
>>
>> Here's Pedro Jose de Avelar's marriage record from  Lajes das Flores:
>>
>> Pedro José de Avelar [n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores, f.º de
>> pai incógnito e de Florência Maria] c. 1813.02.18 c. Úrsula Joaquina [f.ª
>> de pai incógnito e de Isabel Maria].
>>
>> *If it was the same Pedro in the baptism record, he would be 20 years old*
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are marriage records of children  of Florencia a single woman from 
>> Ponta Delgada, Flores
>>
>> Faustino José de Avelar [f.º de pai incógnito e de Florência, mulher
>> solteira] c. 1813.10.31 c. Úrsula Maria [f.ª de Joaquim de Sousa e de
>> Mariana de Jesus].
>>
>> *I think this is the brother to Pedro Jose de Avelar*
>>
>>
>> José Álvares [f.º de Manuel Álvares, j. d., e de Mariana de Jesus] c.
>> 1813.11.25 c. Maria de Jesus [f.ª de pai incógnito e de Florência, mulher
>> solteira].
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 8:38 AM, luiznoia .  wrote:
>>
>>> I think that tracking down Florencia's baptism record , obit, or the 
>>> marriage record of either Pedro or Monica could provide some confirmation.  
>>> I tend to think it is the same mother. 
>>>
>>> The 1792 to 1806 time frame would easily be in childbearing years. It is 
>>> also a time when many people left Corvo to settle in Flores. My ancestor , 
>>> Joao Antonio Vieira was born to a single mother in Corvo in 1789
>>>
>>> and settled in Cedros by 1810.
>>>
>>>  Slavery had been abolished in Continental Portugal in 1761, in Madeira 
>>> in 1775, and by 1800 was on the wane in the Azores, being banned in 1830.
>>>
>>>
>>> The priest in the Claudia record of 1806, and the Monica record of 1796 
>>> is Domingo Bernardo da Sylvera
>>>
>>> The priest in the Pedro record of 1792 is Antonio Lourenco Coelho
>>>
>>> Eric Edgar
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Theresa Entin  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Depending on how common the name Florencia appears in the records 
 during that time frame of 13 years would determine to me if it was the 
 same 
 person.  If it appears as a very uncommon name, then I would say they were 
 the same person.  

 Also, In order to make a good determination, I would check ten years 
 prior to the birth of Pedro and 10 years after the birth of Claudia.

 Were you able to find the birth of Florencia, child of Maria in Corvo?  
 If Maria was also a slave, that would help solving the puzzle.


 On Sep 30, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Kawika322  wrote:

 There is a baptismal record I would like to have people's 
 interpretation on. The record is for a Claudia born 7 Jul 1806 in Sao 
 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage book from Corvo 1655-1671 is now in the CCA

[João Ventura]

The CCA has altered the links to the Corvo marriage books sometime last 
week, and this book is no longer available..

Did someone make an archive of it?

Joao Ventura
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On Thursday, 22 May 2014 17:50:15 UTC+2, sfig wrote:

 João,
 You have a very good idea to set up a cloud document. The group could 
 index many documents in this manner.
 Good thinking,
 Tish


 On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 7:47 AM, João Ventura jo...@venturas.org 
 javascript: wrote:

 Hello, everyone

 I'm happy to see that the 'missing' marriage book for Corvo from 
 1655-1671 is now in the CCA site:


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-C-1655-1671/COR-VC-VILANOVADOCORVO-C-1655-1671_item1/index.html

 This book has been physically missing from the Horta Archive for some 
 years now. It was there 30 years ago when they microfilmed it, and I can 
 see that the scan they have now posted is from the microfilm, so it must 
 still be missing. It worries me a lot that a book survived 300 years, just 
 to be 'lost' in the last 30.

 I've contacted Mr. Francisco Gomes to ask if he'll be updating his 
 'Casais das Flores e do Corvo' book. If not, I'll try to do that myself. If 
 anyone wants to help, I'd be happy to setup a shared document that we can 
 use.

 Best regards,

 João Ventura
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching the archives in Angra

[João Ventura]

Note that they'll probably tell you to use the Internet to search for the 
baptism, marriages and death records.. It may actually be slower than doing 
it from home. For other documents not yet online, they'll probably let you 
handle the real records.

Don't waste your time (and theirs) doing something during that time that 
you could do from home.

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On Friday, 15 May 2015 05:08:15 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Lisa,

 You can walk in there just like most archives. They have the baptisms, 
 marriages, and deaths for the central island group of Terceira, Sao Jorge, 
 Graciosa, and may be Pico. Because the Diocese is in Angra, they have all 
 EXISTING dispensations for all the islands.

 Joao will have to answer you himself.
 Cheri

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 I am travelling to the Azores in August and want an idea of what records 
 are available in Angra for research.  Do I need an appointment?  Are there 
 any land records available to research?  Joao, can I hire you to help me 
 out for a few hours or a day?
  
 Thank you!
  
 Lisa
  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1933 Sao Jorge Records????? Help

[João Ventura]

You should contact the Conservatoria do Registo Civil of Calheta São Jorge 
(see them 
here: 
http://www.irn.mj.pt/sections/irn/a_registral/servicos-externos-docs/contactos/contactos-dos-servicos-civil/downloadFile/file/CR_civil.pdf?nocache=1417608742.62)

They'll have that record in their files. Read the Records Gathering in 
this page for further 
advice: https://tombo.pt/en/content/how-create-your-portuguese-family-tree

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On Friday, 15 May 2015 02:37:28 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Jeremy,
 The name of the church in the freguesia of Ribeira Seca is São Tiago. 
 These are the proper spellings today.


 You might need to hire someone to get his death. But before you do, you 
 need to know if 1933 deaths state the birth location. Hopefully someone on 
 this list has had some experience with deaths in the Azores.from the 1930s.

 My guess is that if and his wife were from São Jorge island and went back 
 there, one or the other was from Ribeira Seca. Do you know if they married 
 in America or the Azores? You might be able to find their marriage if they 
 married there.
 Cheri


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Paleography

[João Ventura]

Hi Linda,

In that case, just get in touch with them on the email listed 
here: http://www.caixadoslivros.com/page/view/19/contactos

They probably sell exclusively in Portugal, but in this case you should be 
able to bypass their online store and pay them somehow. If not, then say 
something and I'll see what we can do to make you have that book.

João Ventura
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On Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:23:56 UTC+2, linda wrote:

 Argh!  One can, but...

 I put it in my shopping cart, but was thwarted by the necessity of 
 entering a NIF (I'm an American) and the lack of a PayPal (or similar) 
 button.

 Thanks so much Joao.  I'm very glad to know that it's still in print.  
 Using the info from the site you provided, I'll try to special order it 
 locally.

 thanks!

 Linda



 On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 10:54:46 AM UTC-7, João Ventura wrote:

 Linda,

 I think you can buy it here: 
 http://www.caixadoslivros.com/store/product/0/2187/abreviaturas-paleograficas-portuguesas
  
 http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.caixadoslivros.com%2Fstore%2Fproduct%2F0%2F2187%2Fabreviaturas-paleograficas-portuguesassa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNHg62V6jjbX2n1i5Iz5Y8hKKwP97A

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 On Thursday, 23 April 2015 07:07:55 UTC+2, linda wrote:

 Those pages are from

 Nunes, E. Borges, 1981 *Abreviaturas paleográficas portuguesas*, 
 Lisboa, Faculdade de Letras

 you can page through the virtual booklet here:

 http://issuu.com/rogeriod/docs/abreviaturas

 Though I'm not sure if that's a legitimate site for purchase.  

 There's also a pirated copy floating out there in the interwebs [*cough* 
 Scribid *cough*].

 If anyone knows of a legitimate source to purchase a paper copy, I'd be 
 much obliged to know.

 Linda

 On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 4:49:11 PM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote:

 Looks to be very useful.
 Thanks for posting it.
 Will have to try to locate the original.
 Again many thanks.
 Hermano

  
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Fernando Manaças Ferreira 
 https://www.facebook.com/fernando.jorge.ferreira posted this on 
 Facebook and I thought it would helpful to all on this list also. I 
 have added a cover page for your use if desired.  I contains some very 
 good 
 information and examples of old writing, abbreviations and exceptions to 
 the conventions at the time.  Good luck and happy hunting.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Paleography

[João Ventura]

Linda,

I think you can buy it 
here: 
http://www.caixadoslivros.com/store/product/0/2187/abreviaturas-paleograficas-portuguesas

João Ventura
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On Thursday, 23 April 2015 07:07:55 UTC+2, linda wrote:

 Those pages are from

 Nunes, E. Borges, 1981 *Abreviaturas paleográficas portuguesas*, Lisboa, 
 Faculdade de Letras

 you can page through the virtual booklet here:

 http://issuu.com/rogeriod/docs/abreviaturas

 Though I'm not sure if that's a legitimate site for purchase.  

 There's also a pirated copy floating out there in the interwebs [*cough* 
 Scribid *cough*].

 If anyone knows of a legitimate source to purchase a paper copy, I'd be 
 much obliged to know.

 Linda

 On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 4:49:11 PM UTC-7, Hermano C. Pires wrote:

 Looks to be very useful.
 Thanks for posting it.
 Will have to try to locate the original.
 Again many thanks.
 Hermano

  
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Fernando Manaças Ferreira 
 https://www.facebook.com/fernando.jorge.ferreira posted this on 
 Facebook and I thought it would helpful to all on this list also. I have 
 added a cover page for your use if desired.  I contains some very good 
 information and examples of old writing, abbreviations and exceptions to 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Trip

[João Ventura]

Just to complement on what Bill said.

In Portugal, because all the banks were Government owned in the 1980s when 
ATMs started to show up, they decided to create a separate company to run 
the ATM network. As a result, all the ATM machines in Portugal belong to 
this network, so the concept of charging for widthdrawals is simply alien 
to the Portuguese. There's no such thing, period. As a side-effect, these 
machines are also the best ATMs I've ever found in the world (yes, the 
average ATM in the deep Azores will probably be a lot better than the one 
from your US bank in the midst of SIlicon Valley). However, you'll probably 
not notice it, as all the advanced features require a Portuguese bank card. 
Foreign cards will probaly allow you to widthraw money and maybe charge 
your phones (and also maybe to buy train tickets - I highly doubt it will 
allow you to buy concert tickets). I highly advise against AMEX. Don't 
bother bringing one if you're coming to Europe. Make sure your card is Visa 
or Mastercard and you should be OK with our ATMs and in-store payment 
terminals.

As to SATA, the delays are really not their fault. Those are islands in the 
middle of the North Atlantic, if the winds go above a certain level, for 
your safety and theirs, they will simply not take off. Have some 
flexibility in your plans, and make sure that you make it to the island of 
your US return flight a few days in advance. Flying to and from Terceira is 
easier as the runway there is one of the largest in the Azores (it was 
designated as a Space Shuttle abort landing site), but do account for 
possible delays in your São Jorge / Pico connections.

João Ventura



On Wednesday, 22 April 2015 06:03:37 UTC+2, want2beunique wrote:

 Lisa,

 I took my first trip to the Azores last year in July.  We went to Graciosa 
 (home island) and Terceira.  Here are some of my tips:

 Finances:
 Get a credit card that does not charge foreign exchange fees.  One that 
 has a chip is also advisable.  I got the Chase Saphire VISA and have been 
 happy with it ever since.  We did not use travelers checks and I would not 
 recommend them.  Also, do not buy Euro loaded VISA cards (pre-paid VISA). 
  I researched them and found them very poorly reviewed (unable to be used 
 and drained of funds).  Be sure to talk to your bank.  Ask them if your ATM 
 card can be used in Portugal.  Give them your travel dates to ensure you 
 have no problems when traveling.  Also do the same for your credit card.  I 
 found agriculture credit unions on Terceira and Graciosa which did not 
 charge for withdrawals.  Your bank or credit union may be able to help with 
 ATMs which you could utilize without charge.

 Phone:
 We got our iPhones unlocked by Verizon.  With them being unlocked and 
 enrolled for global usage, we could use them in the Azores.  This would, 
 however, be expensive.  We ensured data was turned off (cellular data off). 
  Upon arriving, we went to a Vodafone store in Angra.  We were able to buy 
 a pre-paid SIM card and put it into one of our iPhones.  This gave us a 
 phone in the Azores with a local number from which we could call a taxi (we 
 had our favorite drivers) and relatives.  In many cases, you can call 
 someone and hang up after one ring and they will call you back.  This 
 worked very well in Terceira.

 Accommodations:
 We used Home Away to book a great house on Terceira.  It was only 70 euros 
 a night.  Here is a link to the house ( 
 http://www.homeaway.com/vacation-rental/p1309665?flspusage=fl ).  It was 
 a great location out in the country in Porto Martin.  Not the center of 
 activity, but we liked the quiet and access to the water.

 Sata:
 Schedules are simply concepts of when a plane might arrive or depart.  Be 
 flexible and be sure to contact Sata directly checking for delays.  The web 
 site and phone can give quite different results.  We were delayed on 
 arrival and missed a connecting flight.  We were then delayed by more than 
 a day on departure.  It all worked out, but staying flexible is key.

 Hope this helps!

 Bill in Northern California

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 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Trip
  
 Hello,
  
 I am planning my first trip to the Azores in mid to late August for about 
 8-10 days.  I am planning to go to Terceira for research and to visit the 
 ancestral homelands on Sao Jorge (Calheta and Topo areas) and Pico (Lajes 
 do Pico areas).
  
 I'd love to hear any suggestions on places to stay, places to eat, drivers 
 to hire, renting a scooter, not to be missed sights or events, research 
 tips, using the archives, wifi connection, cell phone tips, use of 
 travelers cheques vs credit cards, gifts to take with me and recommended 
 items to bring back etc.
  
 Also, if anyone else on the list is planning a trip

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Salt Lake City Conference 2015

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I am about to catch the plane to salt lake city!

João. Ventura
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 Made it here a little after 10 a.m.  Got a bite to eat and now I'm going to 
 do some set up and then sneak away to do research!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra Passports at CCA available

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Hi,

As Cheri answered, you should look first to Horta, and then to the other 
districts. To understand what's going on here you need to understand a 
bit of the administrative history of the Azores.. When the Azores districts 
were formed, there were basically two: one in Angra and the other in Ponta 
Delgada. Horta then managed to get it's district created out of the other 
two. Wikipedia explains it a lot better than I can:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars

That of course explains why there are three 'district' archives. In 
mainland Portugal we have 18 of these districts, and each also has a 
separate archive. So, the official district for Flores would be Horta, but 
it may be that the persons you're looking for first went to Angra or to 
Ponta Delgada, and you might also look there.

However, the most likely explanation, and you can see that story in one my 
wife's ancestors on the link below is that passengers from Flores sailed 
directly from Flores to the US without getting a passport. The passengers 
of the Peninsular or the other boats that did the Azores-America 
immigration routes passing through Flores embarked their last passengers on 
this port and then sailed to the US. They never got a passport because 
there was no one able to give them those papers in Santa Cruz das Flores, 
as it wasn't a district capital. This particular story of José Tomás Dias 
(that Eric helped a lot in researching) was that he immigrated for the 
first time in 1898 straight from Flores on the Peninsular, and stayed in 
the US until about 1910, when he returned to Flores, married and started a 
family. In 1913 he returned to the US, but this time he had to get a 
passport in Horta since the Companhia Insulana de Navegação (CIN) had 
abandoned the US route as they simply couldn't compete with the big 
steamers of the time. He took a boat from Horta to Ponta Delgada where he 
then boarded the Cretic to go to the US, where he stayed until about 1920, 
when he return for good to Flores. Note that he never got a passport on his 
first trip, and on the second his passport from Horta was good enough that 
he didn't need a second one from Ponta Delgada to board the Cretic.

http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49ged=venturas

Best regards,
João C Ventura
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On Monday, 23 March 2015 06:45:18 UTC+1, luiznoia wrote:

 I've read about 50 years of the Horta passports now and find very few 
 Flores residents on them. Less than one person per two pages. So, maybe 1 
 percent

 I'm hoping Angra turns up more. 

 The format of the Angra passports is very different, a book entry for each 
 passport rather than the table form that Horta uses. Less information is 
 given.

 Eric Edgar

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 Brenda SP,

 The 3 ports for the Azores are:
 Horta on Faial
 Angra on Terceira
 Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel

 Since Flores is closest to Horta, I'd look there first.  If they needed 
 to get out though, they could have caught the next ship, regardless of the 
 port.  Most sailed from the port closest to them though.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Reconciling Information

[João Ventura]

Hi Anthony,

Really nice indeeed, just one small point when you mention the Spanish 
naming tradition. You've got it wrong. See 
here: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs#Generational_transmission

You wrote: For example, if a couple named Jesus Gonzales and Maria Moreno 
had children, their children would use the 'surname' Moreno Gonzales.

The correct order in Spain (the one in Europe) would actually be Gonzales 
Moreno (paternal+maternal). And the maternal 'Moreno' would be dropped when 
naming the children. It's extremely confusing to tell you the truth, and 
i'm used to the Portuguese two-surname tradition that's basically the same, 
except it's maternal+paternal.

It may be that you're right when describing those traditions when applied 
to some other Spanish-speaking individuals, but in that case don't call 
them Spanish or you'll risk confusing your audience.

João Ventura
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On Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:28:50 UTC+1, Anthony Martin wrote:

 I wrote up a blog post that discusses my search process when trying to 
 find individuals for whom you have limited information. I'm posting this in 
 hopes that it is helpful to someone.

 Here's the link: 
 http://thetreeandbranch.blogspot.com/2015/03/reconcile-information-is-this-correct.html

 Any feedback would be great!


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: History channel

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Liz,

No, we were not. Or yes we were. Depends on how you want to look at it.. 
Way before the Portuguese, the Romans were known for capturing slaves in 
(North) Africa and shipping them over to Rome and other regions of the 
Empire. So we (the Portuguese) weren't the first ones to do so.

HOWEVER, if you want to drill down and say that the Portuguese were the 
first ones to capture and transport slaves from Africa to the Americas (and 
Europe), then yes we were. Of course... By the Treaty of Tordesillas, we 
had control of all access to Africa by the Atlantic and Indian Oceans. And 
we were also the only ones at that time (together with Spain) to have 
colonies in Africa.

One major point of History, though... The Portuguese didn't capture the 
slaves themselves, we just built a few fortresses where tribal chiefs 
delivered slaves in exchange for whatever they deemed valuable (gold, 
trinkets, etc.). It was only until much later, that we actually grew the 
colonies inland. That was when the English and others started to draw 
borders in the map, and it looked like we would be left with the original 
fortresses.

João Ventura
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On Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:14:25 UTC+1, Lizmig wrote:

 Interesting info.
 Just watched a program on History channel called Mankind The story of all 
 of us
 One point was a bit shocking (to me anyway)It showed how the 
 Portuguese were the first ones to capture and transport slaves from Africa.

 Great show otherwise.

 Liz


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: History channel

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I meant colonies in the Americas instead of Africa.

On Thursday, 26 February 2015 16:23:56 UTC+1, João Ventura wrote:

 Liz,

 No, we were not. Or yes we were. Depends on how you want to look at it.. 
 Way before the Portuguese, the Romans were known for capturing slaves in 
 (North) Africa and shipping them over to Rome and other regions of the 
 Empire. So we (the Portuguese) weren't the first ones to do so.

 HOWEVER, if you want to drill down and say that the Portuguese were the 
 first ones to capture and transport slaves from Africa to the Americas (and 
 Europe), then yes we were. Of course... By the Treaty of Tordesillas, we 
 had control of all access to Africa by the Atlantic and Indian Oceans. And 
 we were also the only ones at that time (together with Spain) to have 
 colonies in Africa.

 One major point of History, though... The Portuguese didn't capture the 
 slaves themselves, we just built a few fortresses where tribal chiefs 
 delivered slaves in exchange for whatever they deemed valuable (gold, 
 trinkets, etc.). It was only until much later, that we actually grew the 
 colonies inland. That was when the English and others started to draw 
 borders in the map, and it looked like we would be left with the original 
 fortresses.

 João Ventura
 https://tombo.pt/en

 On Wednesday, 25 February 2015 23:14:25 UTC+1, Lizmig wrote:

 Interesting info.
 Just watched a program on History channel called Mankind The story of 
 all of us
 One point was a bit shocking (to me anyway)It showed how the 
 Portuguese were the first ones to capture and transport slaves from Africa.

 Great show otherwise.

 Liz



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Missing pages??

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Hi,

I'm not the same João Ventura, but I took a look at it, and the good news 
is that the book contains that page.. I can clearly see the 184 bleeding in 
the page in this URL:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709_item1/P187.html

The bad news is that you're right, the scanned version is missing that 
page. You should definitively notify the CCA and ask them to correct it. 
They've been busy recently with some books from São Roque do Pico, so I 
know that they still have people working on those books.

João Ventura
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On Wednesday, 25 February 2015 07:49:32 UTC+1, Azoreanno wrote:

 I bumped into something strange while going to marriages in the village of 
 Santa Cruz, Graciosa. I found the marriage I was looking for in an index in 
 the end of the book, nº. 596, Tomas Nogueira Picanço and D. Maria de 
 Bettencourt, page 184. Well, happens that this page is missing, so Im 
 wondering if it was left out by accident or is just simply missing. Who 
 would be the best person or people to contact about this? João Ventura?

 Here is the link Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores - Registos Paroquiais 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709_item1/P200.html
  
  
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 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709/GRA-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1672-1709_item1/P200.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Passport questions

[João Ventura]

Hi John,

Yes, I can reply somewhat. From what I gather, the ships wanted to make 
some extra cash by taking in extra passengers in Flores. These passangers 
had no passport. From the following text (in Portuguese), you can read that 
the Peninsular used to carry immigrants starting  in Ponta Delgada then 
stopping in Angra, Horta and Santa Cruz das Flores, before going to New 
York: 
http://www.tribunadasilhas.pt/index.php/local/item/5239-retalhos-da-nossa-hist%C3%B3ria-%E2%80%93-cxxxv-comandante-jo%C3%A3o-ant%C3%B3nio-bettencourt

The other João Ventura can probably confirm.

Best regards,

João C. Ventura
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On Thursday, 19 February 2015 00:00:41 UTC+1, John Vasconcelos wrote:

 Cheri, 
 Adding to what you said, once in a great while, you will see a ships 
 passenger list naming Flores as the port of origin with Boston or New 
 Bedford as the destination. Do you know what was happening there?  Was 
 Flores a stop to pick up passengers by a ship originating at one of the 
 other 3 Azores ports of embarcation? I wonder if Joao Ventura might know.
 John Vasconcelos 

 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Roberto,

 Only 3 ports in the Azores: Ponta Delgada (S. Miguel), Angra, (Terceira), 
 and Horta (Faial).

 Sometimes you can track the ship and sometimes you can't.

 On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Roberto Machado Velho rve...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I don't know if you could track which ship he was using.  One of the 
 reasons for a stopover in Terceira could be boarding another ship (probably 
 to its final destination).
 From each island he was coming ?
 I think Terceira was a big ship HUB by that time - with ships to Brazil 
 and US.

 Roberto Machado Velho.


 On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 12:20:27 AM UTC+3, bsei...@gmail.com 
 wrote:


 Garços is a blue-green eye color (my wife is a native speaker but had 
 to look this word up).  He is a farm worker (lavrador).  Escala pela ilha 
 Terceira means he has a stopover in Terceira.   This may mean that unlike 
 other passengers he will disembark while the ship is at port on Terceira 
 for some reason and board again before it leave.  I'm not really sure.  

 Bill Seidler
 On Monday, February 16, 2015 at 12:50:47 PM UTC-8, Eleanor wrote:

   
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
 PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920_item1/P34.html
 June 30, 1910 #412 Manuel Garcia Moitozo
 I found this passport for my grandmother’s brother which was 
 especially exciting because he was traveling with another brother and 
 sister. [image: ] But there are few questions I hope someone can 
 answer for me.
 What was his profession?
 It looks like his eyes are “graces”, what color is that?
 I think the comment at the end states that they are leaving from the 
 island of Terceira, is that correct?
 I really appreciate not only help on this passport, but also for all I 
 have learned from following this message board. Thanks.   Eleanor  


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: records from 1927-1964 in Ajuda de Bretanha, Azores

[João Ventura]

Hi Sharlene,

Those records are either in the Civil Registry office in Ponta Delgada (the 
official state-issued birth certificates, etc.), or in the Ajuda da 
Bretanha church (the parish records, the ones after 1911 were not 
confiscated by the government).

The government records should be available around 100 years after the 
event, but there's usually some delay (there's basically nothing online 
before 1911, and we're already in 2015). So, either contact the above 
entities or want a few years until 2030-2070.

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On Thursday, 19 February 2015 01:39:26 UTC+1, Sharlene Salvador wrote:

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose Silva born 1830 Flores to Boston to Australia 1855

[João Ventura]

The vicar was named Luis Silva, that's why he signed all of those records. 
And yes, these are the records for 1830.

José is also a common name (there's three of them on that page). I might be 
losing the reference to another thread, but you need to tell us more.

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On Thursday, 5 February 2015 06:06:06 UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Repost for Lyn Silva Budden, crazy6girl at live.com.au

  
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860_item1/P20.html
 Hi R Chaves, 
 I have looked at this link so many times. I am thinking this could be the 
 one. On the pages I can see 1830 in a few places and I don't know who 
 signed the book, from the link above
 the more times I look at it, the more I think I am seeing a signature 
 that  looks like Louisa Da Silva. I wish I could read it, but I cant. Maybe 
 there is somewhere, some one that can read it. I have come back to this 
 search again 
 Thank you so much,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sending my file to a relative

[João Ventura]

Definitively, use Dropbox to send that file.

Also, use Dropbox to backup your genealogy work. And everything else you'd 
like to keep in case your computer caught fire or is stolen.

It's really simple to use, and you get 2Gb of free storage. Use this link 
https://db.tt/HxYIjHBS , and you'll get 0.5Gb extra (and me too).

Best regards,

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On Friday, 23 January 2015 15:53:21 UTC+1, Altino wrote:

 Al, you should use a Dropbox. It's free and pretty easy to use. If the 
 person who you are sending the file to has an email account, it allows you 
 to share a folder online between the two of you.

 Dropbox is free up to a certain amount of storage.

 Sent from my iPad

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 A.O.l will only let me send 25 mb. Is there a way I can do this on-line. I 
 know I could send a DVD.   *
  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Assistance Finding Sibling

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Hi Julia,

First of, I'm not the same João Ventura mentioned by E Sharp. Just to make 
it clear :)

Second, can't he at least tell you the name of the mother? And can you at 
least tell us the year when the baby would have been born? The law changed 
a few years ago in Portugal, and it's no longer possible to have children 
of unknown fathers.. The police will investigate any attempt by the mother 
to make such a claim. That was recently though. Before that, he could 
either be a child of a single mother ('mãe solteira') or she could have 
abandoned the baby ('exposto').

João Ventura
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On Saturday, 17 January 2015 17:54:40 UTC+1, Julia Rudden wrote:

 My father just informed me that he fathered a child in the Azores. He 
 knows the year,month, and parish the child would have been born, but knows 
 little more. Does anyone have suggestions on where to begin looking for 
 birth records of children to single mothers within a certain location and 
 time frame? 
 I know it's not much but at least it's a start. 
 Thank you. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA passports

[João Ventura]

It seems I took a week's holiday from this group, and had this nice news 
waiting for me.. I never automated the CCA passports indexing, as it takes 
more to do so, than to simply generate those links in Excel and then import 
them into the site's db.

Anyway, the site is now updated with the CCA passports for Horta, and is 
showing them on the page of the Açores region https://tombo.pt/en/d/acores

João Ventura
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On Saturday, 3 January 2015 16:34:36 UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:

 João CV -
 I don't see these on your Tombo.pt site. Are they there? I'm accessing via 
 my mobile at the moment.
 Cheri


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas, Feliz Natal, Boas Festas thread

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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! 

João Ventura
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No dia 24/12/2014, às 17:36, E. Sharp bellema...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house, not a creature was 
 stirring, excepting a mouse named “E” who wishes all the wonderful people on 
 this great list a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR. 
  
 Blessing to you all.  “E”
  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Link to New DNA study done in mainland Portugal

[João Ventura]

I find it revolting that work that clearly is supported by the Portuguese 
tax-payers is not available to them for free (I'm a German tax-payer, so in 
theory I should also get free access, since I end up paying, but I digress 
:) ).

All this work is done by researchers in the  Institute of Molecular 
Pathology and Immunology of the University of Porto (IPATIMUP), and none of 
their work is available from their website.. I hate the fact that science 
publishers make money every other way: the science is paid by the 
institutions, when an article is accepted the authors need to pay several 
thousand euros to have it published, the peer reviewers all work for free, 
and in the end the subscription to the journal costs a small fortune. In 
that sense, the recent statement by the Bill Gates foundation that all work 
sponsored by them should be freely available, should be followed by the 
Portuguese Goverment.

João C. Ventura
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On Thursday, 27 November 2014 02:53:37 UTC+1, A Faria wrote:

 It really is too bad that they charge $31.50 to have online access to the 
 full text for 24 hours. I would love to read the findings but that price is 
 a bit steep. 

 A.Faria 

 On Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:42:46 PM UTC-8, A Faria wrote:

 Hi

 This is an Abstract on Portuguese mitochondrial DNA genetic diversity 
 just came out within the last week or so.

 http://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973%2814%2900220-8/abstract

 Antonio Faria



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mystery Reward codes

[João Ventura]

I also have a few codes:
2x $10 off any purchase
$10 off any FF
$5 off any purchase

I don't know all the mystery rewards, but I'd be specifically interested in 
a large discount for an mtDNA test.

João Ventura

On Wednesday, 26 November 2014 05:46:11 UTC+1, Cheri Mello wrote:

 This is for the FTDNA Holiday Sale.  (Should have ate dinner before typing 
 up that email!)

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada
  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I need clarification on cM's

[João Ventura]

Hi Ubirajara,

She's wrong.. The statistics are more or less 
here: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics

As you can see, you're probably 4th cousins or greater. The common link 
should be one of your 3x-great grandparents or probably one of their 
not-so-distant ancestors. The problem in the Azores is that due to 
intermarriage being so common, you can have shared cMs from multiple 
sources.

It seems from that article, that it should be impossible to have intact 
segments from before the 6x-great grandparents (7th cousins). In any case, 
that's all within the recorded parish records, and with some luck you 
should be able to find your common ancestor. Assuming of course that no one 
had a child from the milkman (other than his wife of course..).

João Ventura
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On Tuesday, 25 November 2014 01:07:38 UTC+1, Ubirajara Jales de Lira wrote:

 Hello guys!

 I sent a message to Rosemarie because she is my match, with 16.4cM's, in 
 the chromosome 9. She said for me that our common ancestor is in the 
 1100's, with this cM's. Can anybody clarify on cM's to me? I match another 
 person with 22.79cM's.

 Thanks in advance.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What's Next to upload for the CCA?

[João Ventura]

Hi David,

Yes, they still need to upload those for both Horta and Angra. Only Ponta 
Delgada has passports on-line.

They could also go back, and re-upload some books which frankly are almost 
unreadable nowadays.. I've seen books whose images are basically thumbnails 
of the real image, like this one: 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LAJESDASFLORES-O-1798-1810/FLR-LF-LAJESDASFLORES-O-1798-1810_item1/P58.html

A lot of parishes also need to be covered from about 1905 to 1911. The law 
in Portugal states that every five years, all the books older than 100 
years need to be turned over by the civil registry offices into the 
'district' archives. At this point, it would be expected that all the books 
from up to 1910 would have been delivered 4 years ago. In practice, no one 
seems to understand who pays for the transport (the civil registry or the 
archive), so in most cases the books are just left there waiting for the 
competent authorities to pick them up.
It's possible that they were already delivered into the Horta, Angra and 
Ponta Delgada archives, and that they'll now be scanned.

Keep an eye on http://tombo.pt/en which should be able to tell you when 
that happens. I may remember to post an announcement here, also.

João C. Ventura
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On Tuesday, 18 November 2014 05:01:00 UTC+1, Kawika322 wrote:

 I would also like to thank the CCA for getting all the Azores parishes 
 online. It was a big task and definitely worth it.

 Does anyone know what might be next on the agenda for the CCA to upload? 
 From what I remember it may be the passportes for Angra or Horta but I'm 
 not sure.

 David  



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[AZORES-Genealogy] CCA concludes the Azores parish records project (aka Ribeirinha records are now online)

[João Ventura]

Hello, everyone

The parish records for Ribeirinha (Ribeira Grande - São Miguel) are now 
online.

A big applause to the CCA archivists and the LDS volunteers for the work 
they did in scanning and making available all the parish records for the 
Azores. It's a project that when I started paying attention was already 
halfway done, but that was a monumental task by everyone involved.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Seca is on CCA

[João Ventura]

Death records and 'perfilhações' are now online for Ribeira Grande.. One 
single parish to go, and they'll be done with it.

João C. Ventura
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On Wednesday, 12 November 2014 11:25:08 UTC+1, João Ventura wrote:

 Hi Pam,

 No. You were the first. Note that the death records are not yet online. I 
 assume they'll be posted within the next few days. According to this site (
 http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1022489), there's also 
 perfilhações between 1865 and 1893.

 It sure seems they're on track to finish all the parishes by the end of 
 the year. A big thank you to everyone in CCA (and the LDS volunteers who 
 are responsible for the digitalization process). I hope all the people 
 waiting for the Ribeirinha records will be relieved when those show up, 
 even if they were the left until the very end. Then again according to the 
 same site (http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1022679), there's 
 only records between 1836 and 1905.

 João C. Ventura
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 On Wednesday, 12 November 2014 04:49:15 UTC+1, Pam Santos wrote:

 Not sure if anyone posted this already but Bapt/Marriages/Deaths are on 
 CCA site



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Seca is on CCA

[João Ventura]

Hi Pam,

No. You were the first. Note that the death records are not yet online. I 
assume they'll be posted within the next few days. According to this site 
(http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1022489), there's also 
perfilhações between 1865 and 1893.

It sure seems they're on track to finish all the parishes by the end of the 
year. A big thank you to everyone in CCA (and the LDS volunteers who are 
responsible for the digitalization process). I hope all the people waiting 
for the Ribeirinha records will be relieved when those show up, even if 
they were the left until the very end. Then again according to the same 
site (http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1022679), there's only 
records between 1836 and 1905.

João C. Ventura
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On Wednesday, 12 November 2014 04:49:15 UTC+1, Pam Santos wrote:

 Not sure if anyone posted this already but Bapt/Marriages/Deaths are on 
 CCA site


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My Vietnamese Family Finder Match is Looking for his Portuguese Birth Father

[João Ventura]

Hi A

Most likely, he can narrow down the candidates to just a few, but for thtat 
he definitively needs to get in touch with the US Army, and ask for their 
help.

Some URLs that can help your match:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/16/us/vietnam-legacy-finding-gi-fathers-and-children-left-behind.html?pagewanted=all_r=0
http://fatherfounded.org/

Joao C. Ventura
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On Thursday, 30 October 2014 07:55:48 UTC+1, A Faria wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 My Vietnamese Family Finder match is looking for his birth father he has 
 provided me with some information.

 1. He was born in 1970 during the Vietnam War

 2. He was born in Da Nang, Vietnam

 3. His birth father was an Army Nurse at Hoa Khanh hospital in 1969, and 
 was transferred to a different location never knowing the girl he was 
 dating was pregnant.


 This person is someone with at least some Portuguese ancestry likely from 
 Pico island based on the two pages of common matches I have with Mr. Pham

 A.Faria





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rabo de Peixe Marriages

[João Ventura]

Now they stop in 1905.. Which I guess is all.

They just added them today.. With a bit of luck, they'll have time this 
afternoon to add the death records..

João C. Ventura
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On Wednesday, 29 October 2014 13:31:23 UTC+1, Lee wrote:

 Are on the site - except that they stop at 1845.  
  
 Is that all that they have or are they just not done posting them?


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Rabo de Peixe @ CCA

[João Ventura]

Hi everyone,

We're down to the final 3 parishes that CCA needs to reach 100% of all 
parishes online: Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira Seca and Ribeirinha.

Yesterday, the CCA has published the baptism records for Rabo de Peixe, as 
you can see here:
https://tombo.pt/en/content/new-parish-books-in-20141022#CCA

Joao C. Ventura
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal

[João Ventura]

Hi all,

I may also help with my side of the plan.. Those that use tombo.pt must 
have seen the FTDNA link that I recently added to the left sidebar in the 
site. I'm an affiliate of FTDNA, meaning that any sales lead that I 
generate will earn me 5% of the 'sale'. That is, if you buy a test in FTDNA 
after following that link, and that test costs you $100, FTDNA pays me $5.

I believe that any serious genealogist researching in Portugal visits my 
site several times per week. It's a bit different for the Azores 
(considering there's only 3 or 4 parishes remaining, and you get the news 
of their availability faster via this group), and Madeira (where there 
hasn't been any news to report in more than a year).

I'm in the process of making a front-page article (in Portuguese) 
explaining what Genetic Genealogy is, with links back to FTDNA. It will 
both help me personally, as I'm 100% mainland and I have 1-2 significant FF 
matches, and financially (running the site costs money, not to mention the 
time I put in it).

If it works, we should see some more matches popping up.

João C. Ventura
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On Sunday, 19 October 2014 18:40:30 UTC+2, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Antonio,

 I share your goal.

 I spent last night writing an article about this conversation and topic. I 
 will submit it to a Portuguese newspaper and hope they decide to use it. 
 That will surely help our cause.

 I can send you the article if you like.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to
 Mainland Portugal
 From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript:
 Date: Sun, October 19, 2014 8:58 am
 To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 Cc: antoni...@gmail.com javascript:


 My goal Doug is through DNA to obtain clues about the ancestral Village, 
 Town or City of my ancestors prior to settling in the Azores I predict 
 interest will increase in this area and there will be some format to 

 share and discuss this information with others that are interested. I have 
 some good clues already that indicate that my direct paternal ancestor that 
 settled on Pico in the 1500's was from Porto, it is important 

 that more people of Azorean ancestry test to give us more clues but we 
 will get a clearer picture when more Portuguese from the Mainland test

  



 On Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:33:01 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:

 Antonio,

 Your point is excellent.

 I have a cousin of a cousin by marriage (if you can follow that one!) who 
 did Y-DNA testing and has no matches from his mainland Portuguese ancestry. 
 Of course, it's no surprise. But if we are to have any chance at finding 
 family connections to mainland people, DNA is the only way. I will point 
 this out in the Portuguese Genealogy group on Facebook, where we have about 
 250 or so members and growing (but not growing as fast as the Azores group) 
 and I think it could have some impact.

 Similarly, I recently was invited to join a Facebook group of people with 
 Madalena, Pico ancestry and found I am related to them all (over 100 
 members of that group) and slowly working on convincing them to test.

 The answer is always to get more to test, so that's what I work on.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealog Records and Cursive Writing

[João Ventura]

E,

The solution to that will be quite simple.. Computers will be able to read 
cursive eventually (yes, even paleographic cursive...), and then the kids 
will simply ask the computer what is written on that page. We're the ones 
who have to slave over the records to try to read them.

Unfortunately, it will still take many years for computers to advance to 
that stage..

João C. Ventura
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On Wednesday, 15 October 2014 19:48:31 UTC+2, E Sharp wrote:

 Funny Cheri would mention understanding cursive writing to one of our 
 newbies as I was thinking the other day that if we don't translate 
 these documents now, how will our grandchildren should they decide to 
 take up genealogy in the future as many of them do not write cursive 
 anymore and most, if not all, of the records are not only in 
 Portuguese, Latin, Italian, etc. but they are also in cursive. 

 When I write to my children/grandchildren, birthday cards, thank you 
 note, etc., I always write in cursive in hopes they, at least, will be 
 able to make out this hen-scratching as one of my grandchildren 
 calls it. 

 E 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Gandmother's maiden name

[João Ventura]

Hi, Al

None of the parishes disappeared. All 3 are very much in existence, and all 
have records in CCA until 1911, as you can see 
here: http://tombo.pt/en/m/hrt

João C. Ventura
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On Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:53:11 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Al,
 I thought the 3 parishes in Horta were NS da Conceição, NS de Angustias 
 (spelling), and Salv... Santissimo. All 3 had records filmed.

 Check the Tombo.pt site for your parishes. Maybe you can let us know which 
 one disappeared.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: an introduction and a thank you

[João Ventura]

Hi Linda,

In the spirit of sharing, feel free to browse the people I have from Cedros 
in my 
database: 
http://venturas.org/familytree/placelist.php?parent%5B%5D=Portugalparent%5B%5D=A%C3%A7oresparent%5B%5D=Floresparent%5B%5D=Santa%20Cruz%20das%20Floresparent%5B%5D=Cedrosged=venturas

I've been adding people that are related to my wife's family in some 
manner, so it's possible that depending on the individual they may or not 
tie up into my wife's ancestors. If they do, I'll probably have researched 
all I can about that person.

João C. Ventura
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On Wednesday, 8 October 2014 02:10:57 UTC+2, linda wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 My name is Linda, and all my antecedents are from the Azores.  I've always 
 had an interest in my family history, and I had thought that someday it 
 would be fun to tackle the project of expanding my family tree.  About two 
 months ago while I was idly googling this and that, I discovered that the 
 Islands' parish records are now online.  I found my grandparents' baptismal 
 records, and that was it-- I was completely hooked on chasing down the rest 
 of the family as far back as I can.

 It's been great fun.  I read a little Portuguese, enjoy history and 
 puzzles, and have a research background, so the learning curve hasn't been 
 too bad-- though I'm certainly finding that deciphering the handwriting on 
 some records can be challenging to say the least!

 I knew that my family migrated to California from Terceira (Villa de Praia 
 and Santa Barbara) and Flores (Santa Cruz and Cedros mainly), but I was 
 surprised to discover that Santa Maria figures prominently in my family 
 history too.  It looks like I also have a connection to Faial though I 
 haven't pursued it yet.  

 So far, I've done a little of the Villa de Praia line (back to about 1800) 
 and most of the Cedros line (though with gaps).  

 At the moment, I'm concentrating on Santa Maria and have got back to circa 
 1710, mostly via the marriage records.  I'm currently working on the 
 records from the Matriz de NS de Assuncao, and then will tackle Sao Pedro 
 and Santo Espirito.   So far, this branch of my family is packed full of 
 Resendes, with a few Curvelos, an Almada, a Cabral and a couple of 
 Figueiredos and Souzas.

 Finally, a huge thank you to everyone in this group.  I've been reading 
 old posts, and the information they contain has been extremely helpful.  I 
 really wish I'd known about the Flores marriage book before trying to slog 
 through the Cedros records (agh!), but it will certainly be useful when I 
 return to working on the relations from that island.  I've also read the 
 posts on software recommendations, and I appreciate all the various points 
 that were suggested for consideration.   At the moment, I'm working with 
 paper and pencil, but I definitely see the need for a database.  Trying out 
 a couple of the programs is one of my next priorities.  

 I expect that I will be asking for help with decipherment and nuance.  As 
 my skills improve, I hope I'll be able to contribute back to the group too,
  
 for now, back to reading baptisms,

 Linda



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lavandeira, Carrazeda de Ansiaes, Braganca Records

[João Ventura]

Eric,

I know you got the information from Familysearch. However, they have no 
idea what they're talking about.. It's not the Catholic Church that's 
preventing them to do anything.

It's actually the Portuguese Government that forbids them to provide those 
books to external members. It's all part of the same agreement that allowed 
them to scan the books in the first place.

João C. Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Tuesday, 7 October 2014 17:40:41 UTC+2, luiznoia wrote:

 Carolyn, 

 These are available at Famlysearch.  I have researched  a Carvalho  family 
 from here before. 

 Though the links will take to an online link , they are not actually 
 viewable. A messages telling you they are available to signed in members 
 of supporting organizations is all you see. I had a conversation about 
 that with

 the Familysearch support staff who said the Catholic Diocese is preventing 
 them from public viewing


 Portugal, Bragança, Catho...Church Records, 1541-1985 Bragança Carrazeda 
 de Ansiães Lavandeira São Salvador

 Baptismos, (ago.) 1832-(jan.) 1883
 Granite Mountain Record Vault
 International Film
 1782273 
 https://familysearch.org/films/lookup/product/view/?id=1film=1782273 Item 
 3
 Baptismos, (dez.) 1882-(out.) 1900
 Granite Mountain Record Vault
 International Film
 1782274 
 https://familysearch.org/films/lookup/product/view/?id=1film=1782274 Item 
 1
 Casamentos, (maio) 1860-(maio) 1870, (jan.) 1871-(nov.) 1899
 Granite Mountain Record Vault
 International Film
 1782274 
 https://familysearch.org/films/lookup/product/view/?id=1film=1782274 Items 
 2 - 3
 Óbitos, (mar.) 1860-(nov.) 1899
 Granite Mountain Record Vault
 International Film
 1782274 
 https://familysearch.org/films/lookup/product/view/?id=1film=1782274 Item 
 4



 On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Carolyn M carolyn...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Joao,

 You are right, they probably don't have a whole lot of money in their 
 budget for this type of project.  Braganca is not a wealthy district.  
 Thank you for the information, I hadn't thought about the cost involved.

 Carolyn

 On Sunday, October 5, 2014 5:32:33 PM UTC-4, João Ventura wrote:

 Those records are part of AD Bragança's archive. As the author of 
 tombo.pt, the only thing I can tell you is that they'll be available on 
 my site about 12 hours after the archive makes them available on the 
 internet. That's the good news. As Cheri said, they'll be available in 
 http://tombo.pt/en/f/crz07

 The bad new is that AD Bragança is one of the 'black sheep' of the 
 family. They probably don't have the budget to make an employee have spare 
 time to place those books online. If you can read some portuguese (or even 
 if not), scroll down to the bottom of the page and you can see some nice 
 graphs of the evolution of each archive until about 4 months ago.

 João C. Ventura
 http://tombo.pt/en

 On Sunday, 5 October 2014 21:09:22 UTC+2, Carolyn M wrote:


 I am researching baptism and marriage records from Lavandeira, 
 Carrazeda de Ansiaes, Braganca.  Does anyone know when these records 
 might be available on Tombo.pt?

  

 Thank you,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lavandeira, Carrazeda de Ansiaes, Braganca Records

[João Ventura]

Those records are part of AD Bragança's archive. As the author of tombo.pt, 
the only thing I can tell you is that they'll be available on my site about 
12 hours after the archive makes them available on the internet. That's the 
good news. As Cheri said, they'll be available in http://tombo.pt/en/f/crz07

The bad new is that AD Bragança is one of the 'black sheep' of the family. 
They probably don't have the budget to make an employee have spare time to 
place those books online. If you can read some portuguese (or even if not), 
scroll down to the bottom of the page and you can see some nice graphs of 
the evolution of each archive until about 4 months ago.

João C. Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Sunday, 5 October 2014 21:09:22 UTC+2, Carolyn M wrote:


 I am researching baptism and marriage records from Lavandeira, Carrazeda 
 de Ansiaes, Braganca.  Does anyone know when these records might be 
 available on Tombo.pt?

  

 Thank you,
 Carolyn


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help linking Pai Incognitos in Ponta Delgada, Flores

[João Ventura]

Hi mnk,

Your scenario is certainly possible, but I still argue for two different 
women named Florença here.

See point 1, where I mention that that same priest _before_ and _after_ 
1806 never referred to our Florença as a slave, but that same priest did 
refer to the mulata Florença as a slave (note that I actually didn't 
check if it was the same priest, but it's certainly the same parish within 
a 20-year span. Maybe the 1806 priest was different from the one 10 years 
before and the one 10 years later.)
Also see point 4, where I do say usually. I grant you that eventually 
they did marry, but what occurred in most cases was that they would be 
house servants to some 'richer' society element. Normally, they would share 
the bed with someone in the house, and their offspring would have 'pai 
incognito'. That occurred to both these Florenças. In the case of the 
slave, I'd bet the father of Cláudia was the slave owner.

I've searched the Flores marriage book for the marriage of a Cláudia, 
daughter of Florença, but I never found it.

João Ventura
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On Friday, 26 September 2014 14:06:28 UTC+2, mnk wrote:

 I just want to say that I have seen a marriage of a slave to a free 
 person. I can't remember what village I was searching when I saw it, but it 
 was possibly Ginetes. I just remember because I had never seen that before. 
  Maybe the priest in your case was progressive or anti-slavery so he did 
 not mention race  or status of the women.
 MNK

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with translation (one word that might unlock clues)

[João Ventura]

Lara,

This is the extract of that marriage record in the Casais das Flores e do 
Corvo:

José Inácio da Rocha [n. São Pedro, Angra do Heroísmo, f.º de Manuel de 
Borba e de Francisca de Jesus] c. 1774.12.29 c. Rita Joaquina de Avelar 
[f.ª de Caetano Nunes e de Isabel de Avelar].

You should definitively buy the book, if you're continuing Rita's line back 
in time: 
http://www.amazon.com/Casais-das-Flores-Corvo-Portuguese-ebook/dp/B00AQAOOF6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1411749820sr=8-1keywords=casais+das+flores

Rita's parent's marriage is in page 481 of the ebook. It occurred 
in 1748.01.29.

Note that you should still confirm if the actual parish records confirm the 
ebook extract, but Mr. Francisco Gomes's knowledge of Azorean paleography 
surpasses that of most people. If you buy the book, you'll get to the 1675 
Great Brick Wall of Flores in no time.

Best regards,

João Ventura
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On Friday, 26 September 2014 16:39:34 UTC+2, Lara Muffley wrote:

 Hello Everyone- 
 I'm interested in the ancestry of Antonio Ignacio Rocha (b. 1823 Santa 
 Cruz, Matriz, Flores, d. 1878, Ribeira Grande, Matriz, Sao Miguel).

 I found his grandparents marriage record (see link below)
 Jose Ignacio da Rocha and Rita Joaquina (1774)

 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1744-1808/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1744-1808_item1/P122.html

 I'm translating the document and am having some trouble reading the name 
 of the island where Jose's parents (Manuel and Francisca) are from.
 It almost looks like Terlegoa - ha! could it be Terceira? If anyone has a 
 quick moment to help, that would be wonderful. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Bento Obitos... Sao Bento vs Santa Barbara

[João Ventura]

Yes,

I can confirm the problem. They've uploaded the Santa Bárbara books as if 
they were São Bento. They need to replace them with the correct ones.

João Ventura
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On Thursday, 18 September 2014 07:28:48 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Mike S,

 Family Searched filmed Sao Bento obit through 1873, so they exist.

 It looks like the CCA messed up.  The Tombo site just crawls the CCA and 
 formats the info all on 1 page (instead of 10 to a page).

 I'd write the CCA and let them know that link for those Sao Bento deaths 
 are taking you to Santa Barbara deaths.
  drac...@azores.gov.pt javascript:


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maia records up on CCA site

[João Ventura]

And adoptions also... :)

Only 5 more to go: Pico da Pedra, Porto Formoso, Rabo de Peixe, Ribeira 
Seca and Ribeirinha.

Maybe they'll finish this year still..

João Ventura
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On Wednesday, 17 September 2014 20:46:39 UTC+2, Pam Santos wrote:

 Correction and deaths too

 On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Pam Santos pamsa...@gmail.com 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Getting rid of the Private people in the new Family Trees on FTDNA

[João Ventura]

Cheri,

When I export anonymized information for the living in a GEDCOM, there's no 
'flag' saying: please mark this private, which FTDNA can then toggle to 
make public again.

It goes out like this:

0 INDI I02
1 NAME [Living] /Sousa/
2 GIVN [Living]
2 SURN Sousa
1 FAMS F01
2 FAMC F02

That's all there is to it, the full entry for that individual. There's no 
way that anyone can ever toggle that info to get the info I wanted private 
(like birthdates). Since it's never there in the first place. As it should 
never be. If it's information that you deem private enough, it should never 
leave your PC. Exporting it with all details, and then trusting a third 
party (in this case FTDNA) to keep that info hidden is asking for trouble. 
They may have problems in their software, and your data will be exposed to 
others. Your password may be easy to guess and someone could try to hack 
into your account (just ask all the celebrities that had their nude 
pictures published on the Internet recently). A disgruntled employee may 
keep a copy of the database and release it to the public when they leave 
the company (yes, I trust that FTDNA has checks in place to prevent that, 
but still...).

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Monday, 15 September 2014 21:25:59 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Joao C. Ventura (Tombo guy) can explain it better.  It's not FTDNA.  It's 
 the way computer programming works.

 If you tell a computer program to do something (in this case, hide a 
 birthdate), and then you take that information and tell a 2nd computer 
 program to hide the birthdate again, we as humans know what we want.  We 
 want to be sure that the birthdate is hidden.  But with computer 
 programming, it only knows 2 things: Off or on (binary code).  So in one 
 program, you turn it off, send it to the other program and turn it off 
 again, it can't.  It can only do the opposite and turn in on.  It's like a 
 light switch.  You can turn it on and the light does not go on (burned out 
 bulb).  You can't turn it on again to be sure it's on.  You can only turn 
 it off and then try to turn it on again. That's what it's like (sorta) with 
 computer programming.  I'm not a computer programmer.  I took a BASIC class 
 over 30 years ago.  Joao (Tombo) can give a much more correct explanation.  
 You can't tell a computer program to do the same thing twice after it did 
 it the first time.

 That's why I recommend that you just leave the dates in your program ON.  
 Export them out.  It's fine.  Upload it to FTDNA and turn it OFF there.  If 
 you have clean data entry, it will work.  And if you don't like what you 
 see, play with the privacy settings or take your tree down until they are 
 done tweaking it more.  But they won't be able to make it hide a date after 
 you've hidden it on your end.  It just the nature of computer programming.

 I need to get lunch and go to work.  I'll have to play around in a tree to 
 make a better explanation.

 Cheri

 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Tish M tish@gmail.com javascript:
  wrote:

 Marilyn, Thank you for your input. I agree with you. Maybe I will do the 
 same. I guess I just don't like having to manipulate my data because the 
 programers can't get their act together. Personally, I don't know why they 
 changed their trees in the first place. I think they just thought adding 
 bells and whistles would get them more passengers people to sign up to do 
 DNA. I think they should look to their credibility as a DNA testing site, 
 but I do understand their dilemma.
 Oh well...
 Tish

 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Marilyn Thompson mar...@jmtmlt.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Tish

 I understand your frustraion. So I am only including myself without
 full birth information, then my deceased parents and ancestors to my
 GEDCOM. I am not adding my living cousins (other than those tested) as
 their deceased parents are showing and I figure if someone gets that
 close, they can tell where we match or not at that point. That way I
 do not have to worry about private or not private. Yes it will take me
 a little more to prepare the GEDCOM but then I know what is showing.
 This is my solution until I find a better one.

 I do know that if I want to match up to the 2 cousins that I have had
 tested, I will have to include them in my database, but will do it
 without there full birth information (year only).

 On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Tish M tish@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:
  João misinterpreted my statement. The breach of privacy isn't the 
 fault of
  the company, it's with the IT's. I am very much a fan of the company, 
 I have
  had nothing but positive feedback from them. The people they have got 
 to do
  their programing are the ones I'm hot at (throw a rotten egg at them 
 for
  me). The breach I am talking about is this sort of thing. (They 
 upload it
  to FTDNA and they ask if you want the living to be marked private.  So 
 if
  the user says yes again

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Getting rid of the Private people in the new Family Trees on FTDNA

[João Ventura]

Hi all,

I find it interesting that it's their problem all of a sudden!

YOU have uploaded data with private information to a third party. That 
third party has decided to apply a filter on that data that you don't like. 
Fine, So you decide to filter out everything on the data they present to 
others.

Have you ever considered that you should have applied that filter BEFORE 
you uploaded that data? I'm pretty sure your genealogy program allows you 
to 'anonymise' living persons. Just export a GEDCOM filtered the way you 
like at the source and you shouldn't need to worry about having FTDNA come 
up with filters that suit your taste.

João Ventura
http://tombo.pt/en

On Sunday, 14 September 2014 23:55:41 UTC+2, sfig wrote:

 I have made everything private. Until they fix their problem I intend to 
 do so. I feel their system is a breach of our privacy.
 Tish

 On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I know.  It feels like they released a beta to the public!!  They know.  
 They have a bunch of admins up in arms.  And the conference is next month.  
 IT/Engineering is going to have to go in body armor!  Or they are going to 
 have to search us admins for rotten tomatoes because IT/Engineering may get 
 some!!


 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where to buy shoes on Pico?

[João Ventura]

Hi Drew,

Even though I only visited those islands once, I can attest to the fact 
that Horta is the only real urban center in those two islands. There's 
even a modern supermarket near the new hospital in Horta that I'm pretty 
sure stocks up on shoes and just about everything else.

I'm pretty sure that most 'active' people in Pico do not spend more than a 
month without taking the boat between Madalena and Horta.

João Ventura
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On Saturday, 6 September 2014 19:26:41 UTC+2, A Faria wrote:

 Hi Drew,

 My family members that live on Pico do online shopping and tend to buy 
 shoes in Horta, Faial.

 This place in Sao Mateus is listed as being a shoe store.

  Rosa  Matos, Lda http://www.portugalio.com/rosa-matos/ Açores, 
 Madalena, São Mateus 9950-521 São Mateus   292 699 459 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FAMILIES OF FURNAS VALLEY - São Miguel, Azores

[João Ventura]

Hi Luís,

You should consider publishing these as ebooks, in which you'll still get 
(some) money for your work, while having none of the costs associated with 
printing. And unless it's a romance that somehow reconstructs the lives of 
these 1000 families over 300 years, I don't think anyone will ever read the 
books cover to cover, so no one should have any problem with them being 
PDFs instead of dead trees.

João Ventura
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On Wednesday, 3 September 2014 18:10:24 UTC+2, Luís Martins wrote:



 Dear friends, 
 During the past 30 years, I investigated all the families of Furnas   
 Valley. Been over the last 300 years more than 1,000 families who   
 lived in this beautiful valley in the island of São Miguel, Azores. 
 As a result of this epic genealogical work, research eventually   
 produced seven volumes of 500 pages each. 
 The failure of the power to publish at this stage of my life, I have   
 been proposing sale by chapters who are interested, assuming that each   
 chapter corresponds a family. 
 The text is written in Portuguese. 
 The maximum price is 150 €uro each chapter (for larger + than 10 A4   
 sheets) and 50 €uro for smaller (up to 9 pages). 
 If you are interested or have some additional clarification on this   
 promotion, please write to lrazoresg...@sapo.pt javascript:. 
 Some chapters have photos. 
 Best regards! 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Could this be Joseph Silva Baptism 1830 and Mothers Signature.

[João Ventura]

Hi Lyn

I was able to see the image in the link. I have a lot of research on Ponta 
Delgada das Flores, but usually the coverage is more extensive in the 
1700s, as it narrows down to my wife's ancestors who were born there in the 
1950s.

First of all, if you're doing research in Flores, have you bought the 
Casais das Flores e do Corvo ebook, already? If not, do so immediately. 
Trust me, you will not regret it. The book is in Portuguese, but it's 
mainly a list of names and dates. It should take about 5 minutes to learn 
all the Portuguese you need to use it.

Second, what are the names of the parents of the José that you're searching 
for? There's about 3 José's baptised just in those two pages..

João Ventura
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On Friday, 29 August 2014 07:28:25 UTC+2, Lyn Silva-Budden wrote:


 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860_item1/P20.html
  

 Hello Cheri Mello
  I have worked like crazy on my Ancestry over the weeks. Above I  have 
 left you an attachment of a photo, and the link that takes you to the pages 
 in the book, I believe written in Portuguese.   What I think I can see on 
 the pages is the date 1830 and the signature looks like Luiza da Silva. is 
 the page from where I took the Photo. I cant read any of the pages. 
 Please let me know if you believe it can be read, . Regards Lyn Budden 
 Thank you so much , 
 Cheri.
  
  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Could this be Joseph Silva Baptism 1830 and Mothers Signature.

[João Ventura]

Hi Lyn,

None of the records on that page match a José born to those parents.

Also there's no record in all the parish records for those islands of any 
marriage between a José Silva with anyone called Luísa.. Where did the 
José-son-of-José marry? Do you have any known facts that could help us all.

And Cheri is right. You might actually be looking in the wrong island. What 
made you think he's from Ponta Delgada das Flores?

João Ventura
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On Friday, 29 August 2014 15:09:49 UTC+2, Lyn Silva-Budden wrote:

 Thank you for your answer João.

 The parents names are Jos Da Silva and his mother was Luiza Da Silva. 
 Before Marriage, her name was Luiza Franchesco. That is what I have been 
 told.
 Thank you for trying to help.
 Lyn Budden. 


 On Friday, 29 August 2014 22:49:56 UTC+10, João Ventura wrote:

 Hi Lyn

 I was able to see the image in the link. I have a lot of research on 
 Ponta Delgada das Flores, but usually the coverage is more extensive in the 
 1700s, as it narrows down to my wife's ancestors who were born there in the 
 1950s.

 First of all, if you're doing research in Flores, have you bought the 
 Casais das Flores e do Corvo ebook, already? If not, do so immediately. 
 Trust me, you will not regret it. The book is in Portuguese, but it's 
 mainly a list of names and dates. It should take about 5 minutes to learn 
 all the Portuguese you need to use it.

 Second, what are the names of the parents of the José that you're 
 searching for? There's about 3 José's baptised just in those two pages..

 João Ventura
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 On Friday, 29 August 2014 07:28:25 UTC+2, Lyn Silva-Budden wrote:


 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860/FLR-SC-PONTADELGADA-B-1827-1860_item1/P20.html
  

 Hello Cheri Mello
  I have worked like crazy on my Ancestry over the weeks. Above I  have 
 left you an attachment of a photo, and the link that takes you to the pages 
 in the book, I believe written in Portuguese.   What I think I can see on 
 the pages is the date 1830 and the signature looks like Luiza da Silva. is 
 the page from where I took the Photo. I cant read any of the pages. 
 Please let me know if you believe it can be read, . Regards Lyn Budden 
 Thank you so much , 
 Cheri.
  
  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Shipwreck 1759

[João Ventura]

Hi Eric,

He actually has a more complete ebook on the same subject of shipwrecks in 
the Flores and Corvo group. That one also doesn't list anything for 1759.

The other ebook is 
here: 
http://www.xinxii.com/pt/naufragios-outros-eventos-nos-mares-das-flores-do-corvo-p-339933.html

João Ventura
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On Monday, 25 August 2014 21:16:46 UTC+2, luiznoia wrote:

 The book, *A ilha das Flores: da redescobert a' actualidade *by Pimentel 
 Gomes has a section on Naufragios (shipwrecks) around Flores and Corvo from 
 1536 - 1994

 There is no mention of a 1759 event . 

 Eric Edgar


 On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 It would be helpful if you posted the name of the ship that sunk on 
 20-Oct-1759, and the general location of the shipwreck. If you don't have 
 that info you should realize that Azores has recorded over 900 shipwrecks 
  - so some records do exist, however you may need to consult one of the 
 regional libraries, such as Ponta Delgada, for that specialized information 
 (don't expect any treasure galleons, they were salvaged as soon as the 
 sank).

 As for the death record narrative, I've come across similar language, 
 usually on a spouse's birth (bapt) record, where it states that the 
 marriage was dissolved due to the death of the spouse.

 ~

 On Saturday, August 23, 2014 7:15:54 PM UTC-4, GS1138 wrote:

 The death record for my 6th great grandfather documents him and seven 
 other men who on 20 October 1759, died in a shipwreck.  I been trying to 
 find information on shipwrecks in the Azores and haven't found anything.  
 Does anyone know of any book or sites on this subject?
  
 Also, on his birth record his mother is documented as a free woman.  I 
 have never seen this this phrase used in any other records.  I was 
 wondering if anyone else has seen this term used.
  
 I've attached both records in a word documents as well as the 
 transcription and summary translation.
  
 Maria

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Lomba da Santa Barbara Records up CCA

[João Ventura]

Hi all,

The CCA link to the marriages book for Santa Barbara between 1841 and 1860 
is broken. You can access the correct link in this 
page: http://tombo.pt/en/f/rbg12

João Ventura
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On Friday, 22 August 2014 19:32:39 UTC+2, Pam Santos wrote:

 Baptism, Marriagaes, and deaths are uploaed to CCA site


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Fenais da Ajuda in CCA

[João Ventura]

Hi everyone

The CCA has finished uploading the Fenais da Ajuda records 
yesterday: http://tombo.pt/en/f/rbg03

If they're following alphabetical order, Lomba da Maia should be next. Only 
8 parishes left..

João Ventura
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 2 Joao Venturas: Joao Ventura versus Joao C. Ventura

[João Ventura]

Yes,

I also get confused from time to time :) I dropped the 'C' part in my sig, 
but the sig always includes the link to the tombo site.

Joao Ventura
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On Tuesday, 5 August 2014 05:46:51 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Edna,

 Think of Joao C. as Joao Computers.  He does the computer stuff, like 
 builds a Web site to crawl the CCA site.

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
 Tainhas, Achada 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Caetano Vincent Mendonca, b. 30 April 1890, Flores

[João Ventura]

Hi all,

I've got some further data from the analysis of the 'Casais das Flores e do 
Corvo' ebook. I've got a personal interest on this one, as FTDNA says my 
wife's gradmother is a 2nd Cousin - 3rd Cousin match to a descendent of 
Caetano. My wife's side of the family is mostly from Ponta Delgada das 
Flores.

This is the marriage of Caetanos's parents as already stated by Helen:
Lomba, p. 342 - Manuel José de Mendonça [40 anos, n. Cedros, Santa Cruz das 
Flores, f.º de José Vicente da Silveira e de Joaquina Maria de Mendonça] c. 
1881.10.06 c. Mariana Claudina de Mendonça [24 anos, f.ª de José Caetano 
Martins e de Mariana Rosa Claudina]. 

This is the marriage of one of his paternal aunts, notice that it says that 
Joaquina Maria de Mendonça (Caetono's paternal grandmother) is from Ponta 
Delgada das Flores:
Cedros, p. 825 - Laureano José de Sousa [25 anos, f.º de Laureano José de 
Sousa e de Ana Joaquina] c. 1863.07.19 c. Maria Pureza do Coração de Jesus 
[25 anos, f.ª de José Vicente da Silveira, n. Cedros, e de Joaquina Maria 
de Mendonça, n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores].

This is the marriage of one his maternal uncles: 
Lomba, p. 337 - José Caetano Martins [29 anos, f.º de José Caetano Martins 
e de Mariana Rosa] c. 1882.10.23 c. Maria José Mendonça [36 anos, f.ª de 
Francisco José de Mendonça e de Angélica de Jesus].

This is the marriage of his maternal grandparents:
Fajãzinha, p. 251 - José Caetano Martinho [f.º de Martinho José e de 
Florência de Jesus] c. 1842.01.11 c. Mariana Rosa Claudina [f.ª de António 
de Freitas e de Perpétua Rosa]. 

This the marriage of some siblings of his maternal grandmother (Mariana 
Rosa):
Fajãzinha, p. 249 - José António Lourenço [f.º de José António Lourenço e 
de Ana Joaquina da Silveira, e já v.º de Maria Inácia, f.ª de Francisco de 
Sousa e de Maria Inácia] c. 1840.01.09 c. Maria Isabel [f.ª de António de 
Freitas e de Perpétua Rosa].
Mosteiro, p. 374 - José Rodrigues da Silveira [20 anos, f.º de José Caetano 
Brindeiro e de Maria Rosa] c. 1863.06.14 c. Isabel Luísa [39 anos, f.ª de 
António de Freitas e de Perpétua Rosa].

Best regards,

João Ventura
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On Friday, 1 August 2014 07:53:56 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 That must be it.  Thank you so much!


 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:43 PM, hisalv via Azores Genealogy 
 azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote:

 LOL That's why I wrote it as it was in the book. Because I wasn't sure.  
 I think its Oct 6, 1881.  I checked another date that was 1875.06.20, so 
 the month is in the middle.
  
 Manuel Jose de Mendonca 40 yrs, born in Cedros, Santa Cruz das Flores son 
 of Jose Vicente da Silveira and Joaquina Maria de Mendonca, m. Oct. 6, 1881 
 to Mariana Claudina de Mendonca 24 yrs dg. of Jose Caetano Martins and 
 Mariana Rosa Claudina  They married in the parish of Sao Caetano, Lomba, 
 Lages, Flores
  
  There was a Jose Vicente da Silveira Junior but he's to young. Maybe a 
 son but not Manuel's father.
 That's it, couldn,t find the parents marriages
 Helen
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com javascript:
 To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 Sent: Thu, Jul 31, 2014 9:20 pm
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Caetano Vincent Mendonca, b. 30 April 
 1890, Flores

  6 Oct 1881 or 10 June 1881?  Can you write out the month?  Numbers are 
 confusing. Thanks!!!

  

 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:10 PM, hisalv via Azores Genealogy 
 azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote:

 Cheri, 
 Do you need their marriage date.  I found their marriage in Lomba, 
 1881.10.06.  He was 40 yrs old.she was 24 yrs old
  
 Do you need anything else. Found in the Flores Book
 Helen S
 Fremiont ca
  
  
  -Original Message-
 From: Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com javascript:
 To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 Sent: Thu, Jul 31, 2014 8:46 pm
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Caetano Vincent Mendonca, b. 30 April 
 1890, Flores

OK, got another clue and found the guy in Cedros.  So do any of you 
 Cedros or Lomba researchers have these people in your tree?

 Manuel Jose de Mendonça, born in Cedros and Marianna Claudina de 
 Mendonça, born in Lomba, they married in Lomba and had a kid in 1890 in 
 Cedros.  Groom son of José Vicente da Silveira and Joaquina Maria de 
 Mendonça and bride daughter of José Caetano Martins and Mariana Claudina.
  
  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Caetano Vincent Mendonca, b. 30 April 1890, Flores

[João Ventura]

And just after this I found the links:

This is the birth record of the paternal grandmother from CCA (#14, right 
side):
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-CEDROS-B-1833-1860/FLR-SC-CEDROS-B-1833-1860_item1/P26.html

And her maternal grandparents are these (in my tree):
http://venturas.org/familytree/family.php?famid=F885ged=venturas

João Ventura

On Friday, 1 August 2014 15:39:30 UTC+2, João Ventura wrote:

 Hi all,

 I've got some further data from the analysis of the 'Casais das Flores e 
 do Corvo' ebook. I've got a personal interest on this one, as FTDNA says my 
 wife's gradmother is a 2nd Cousin - 3rd Cousin match to a descendent of 
 Caetano. My wife's side of the family is mostly from Ponta Delgada das 
 Flores.

 This is the marriage of Caetanos's parents as already stated by Helen:
 Lomba, p. 342 - Manuel José de Mendonça [40 anos, n. Cedros, Santa Cruz 
 das Flores, f.º de José Vicente da Silveira e de Joaquina Maria de 
 Mendonça] c. 1881.10.06 c. Mariana Claudina de Mendonça [24 anos, f.ª de 
 José Caetano Martins e de Mariana Rosa Claudina]. 

 This is the marriage of one of his paternal aunts, notice that it says 
 that Joaquina Maria de Mendonça (Caetono's paternal grandmother) is from 
 Ponta Delgada das Flores:
 Cedros, p. 825 - Laureano José de Sousa [25 anos, f.º de Laureano José de 
 Sousa e de Ana Joaquina] c. 1863.07.19 c. Maria Pureza do Coração de Jesus 
 [25 anos, f.ª de José Vicente da Silveira, n. Cedros, e de Joaquina Maria 
 de Mendonça, n. Ponta Delgada, Santa Cruz das Flores].

 This is the marriage of one his maternal uncles: 
 Lomba, p. 337 - José Caetano Martins [29 anos, f.º de José Caetano Martins 
 e de Mariana Rosa] c. 1882.10.23 c. Maria José Mendonça [36 anos, f.ª de 
 Francisco José de Mendonça e de Angélica de Jesus].

 This is the marriage of his maternal grandparents:
 Fajãzinha, p. 251 - José Caetano Martinho [f.º de Martinho José e de 
 Florência de Jesus] c. 1842.01.11 c. Mariana Rosa Claudina [f.ª de António 
 de Freitas e de Perpétua Rosa]. 

 This the marriage of some siblings of his maternal grandmother (Mariana 
 Rosa):
 Fajãzinha, p. 249 - José António Lourenço [f.º de José António Lourenço e 
 de Ana Joaquina da Silveira, e já v.º de Maria Inácia, f.ª de Francisco de 
 Sousa e de Maria Inácia] c. 1840.01.09 c. Maria Isabel [f.ª de António de 
 Freitas e de Perpétua Rosa].
 Mosteiro, p. 374 - José Rodrigues da Silveira [20 anos, f.º de José 
 Caetano Brindeiro e de Maria Rosa] c. 1863.06.14 c. Isabel Luísa [39 anos, 
 f.ª de António de Freitas e de Perpétua Rosa].

 Best regards,

 João Ventura
 http://tombo.pt/en

 On Friday, 1 August 2014 07:53:56 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 That must be it.  Thank you so much!


 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:43 PM, hisalv via Azores Genealogy 
 azo...@googlegroups.com wrote:

 LOL That's why I wrote it as it was in the book. Because I wasn't sure.  
 I think its Oct 6, 1881.  I checked another date that was 1875.06.20, so 
 the month is in the middle.
  
 Manuel Jose de Mendonca 40 yrs, born in Cedros, Santa Cruz das Flores 
 son of Jose Vicente da Silveira and Joaquina Maria de Mendonca, m. Oct. 6, 
 1881 to Mariana Claudina de Mendonca 24 yrs dg. of Jose Caetano Martins and 
 Mariana Rosa Claudina  They married in the parish of Sao Caetano, Lomba, 
 Lages, Flores
  
  There was a Jose Vicente da Silveira Junior but he's to young. Maybe a 
 son but not Manuel's father.
 That's it, couldn,t find the parents marriages
 Helen
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com
 To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thu, Jul 31, 2014 9:20 pm
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Caetano Vincent Mendonca, b. 30 
 April 1890, Flores

  6 Oct 1881 or 10 June 1881?  Can you write out the month?  Numbers are 
 confusing. Thanks!!!

  

 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 9:10 PM, hisalv via Azores Genealogy 
 azo...@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Cheri, 
 Do you need their marriage date.  I found their marriage in Lomba, 
 1881.10.06.  He was 40 yrs old.she was 24 yrs old
  
 Do you need anything else. Found in the Flores Book
 Helen S
 Fremiont ca
  
  
  -Original Message-
 From: Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com
 To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thu, Jul 31, 2014 8:46 pm
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Caetano Vincent Mendonca, b. 30 April 
 1890, Flores

OK, got another clue and found the guy in Cedros.  So do any of you 
 Cedros or Lomba researchers have these people in your tree?

 Manuel Jose de Mendonça, born in Cedros and Marianna Claudina de 
 Mendonça, born in Lomba, they married in Lomba and had a kid in 1890 in 
 Cedros.  Groom son of José Vicente da Silveira and Joaquina Maria de 
 Mendonça and bride daughter of José Caetano Martins and Mariana Claudina.
  
  
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arrifes baptisms

[João Ventura]

Hi Rick,

It's slightly more complicated than that. March 1911 was the cutoff date 
for the law that required all priests to surrender their parish records to 
the state. After that, the government-run Civil Registry came into effect, 
and for that one there's a separate book each year, and the local 
government services are supposed to deliver to the designated archive all 
the books older than 100 years. But they're only required to do so every 5 
years, so the books starting from 1911 to 1915 will be delivered earliest 
in 2015.

However, as with any government burocracy there can be delays, there's a 
lot of places in Portugal (and I see some in the Azores) that haven't 
reported getting any books after 1905.

João

On Wednesday, 30 July 2014 02:27:23 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

 *There is a 100 year rule on releasing records in the Acores. Most likely 
 the records past March are in the next book which could go to 1915 so it 
 will not be released until the last record in the book is over 100 years 
 old.*

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*

  

 *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
 Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*

  

  

 *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Elizabeth Migliori
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 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:
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 Hello,

 Am I seeing this site correctly?  I see baptism for 1911 in Arrifes only 
 up to March?

 Is there somewhere else I an go to?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How to format names on family trees?

[João Ventura]

Rick,

The GEDCOM standard (and by extension any decent Genealogy program) should 
support the notion of a Surname prefix. This 'de' is a prime example of a 
surname prefix. Unfortunately, GEDCOM doesn't really expect multiple 
surnames.

João Ventura
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On Wednesday, 30 July 2014 01:27:09 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

 *As far as I am concerned I use no middle names.  If I have a person with 
 a name such as Jose Ignacio Cunha de Resendes I enter Jose Ignacio as the 
 first name and Cunha de Resendes as the family name. After much 
 consideration I deal with the “de”, da”, do”, and “dos” by tacking them on 
 the end of the given name. I enter Joao de Resendes as First name “Joao de” 
 and last name as “Resendes” this way the de, da, do and dos do not 
 interfere with sorting and searching but will still print and display the 
 name as Joao Resendes. The example of Jose Ignacio Cunha de Resendes is the 
 only exception.*

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*

  

 *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
 Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*

  

  

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 azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Nicole Rodriques
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:51 AM
 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] How to format names on family trees?

  

 Is there an accepted way of determining which names are First and Middle 
 and which are surnames? For example, Joao Cabral Pimentel or de Pimentel. 
 Is it entered as Joao Cabral as middle names and Pimentel or de Pimentel as 
 surname or is the surname Cabral Pimentel? or does it not really matter as 
 long as all of the names are there?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arrifes baptisms

[João Ventura]

Hi Rick,

The parish books from 1911 to nowadays will either be still in the local 
church or in the Diocesian Archive (for Azores that would be in Angra). 
Most likely they are in the church. In 1911, the church records stopped 
being the 'legal' records, so the government no longer cares about them. 
That's why the newly-created Republic needed to take them in 1911 from the 
church: the church records were the only citizenship records available.

João Ventura
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On Wednesday, 30 July 2014 13:52:17 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

 *Thank you Joao, I knew that some where they had to be over 100 years old. 
 *

  

 *Another question that could be asked is do the churches also keep 
 records?  I know in some countries this is done. It would seem to me that 
 they would as a matter of church record. Would you know the disposition of 
 those records?*

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*

  

  

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 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arrifes baptisms

  

 Hi Rick,

  

 It's slightly more complicated than that. March 1911 was the cutoff date 
 for the law that required all priests to surrender their parish records to 
 the state. After that, the government-run Civil Registry came into effect, 
 and for that one there's a separate book each year, and the local 
 government services are supposed to deliver to the designated archive all 
 the books older than 100 years. But they're only required to do so every 5 
 years, so the books starting from 1911 to 1915 will be delivered earliest 
 in 2015.

  

 However, as with any government burocracy there can be delays, there's a 
 lot of places in Portugal (and I see some in the Azores) that haven't 
 reported getting any books after 1905.

  

 João

 On Wednesday, 30 July 2014 02:27:23 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

 *There is a 100 year rule on releasing records in the Acores. Most likely 
 the records past March are in the next book which could go to 1915 so it 
 will not be released until the last record in the book is over 100 years 
 old.*

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*

  

 *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
 Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*

  

  

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 Behalf Of *Elizabeth Migliori
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:09 PM
 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Arrifes baptisms

  

 Hello,

 Am I seeing this site correctly?  I see baptism for 1911 in Arrifes only 
 up to March?

 Is there somewhere else I an go to?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Arrifes baptisms

[João Ventura]

Liz,

As Cheri said, you need to contact the 'Registo Civil' (or the local 
church), but you need to know the date of the event, and the name of the 
person and their parents. I've gone to the ones in Faro and in Santa Cruz 
das Flores, in person and with a list of people I'm searching for, and 
usually they provide the copies of the records. I'm not sure how it works 
over the phone/internet. They'll need to be paid, and they don't accept 
cards or Paypal.

João Ventura
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On Wednesday, 30 July 2014 17:00:45 UTC+2, Lizmig wrote:

 Hi Joao
 So how would I go about getting birth information for April 4 1911?
 Liz


 On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:12 AM, João Ventura jo...@venturas.org 
 javascript: wrote:

 Hi Rick,

 It's slightly more complicated than that. March 1911 was the cutoff date 
 for the law that required all priests to surrender their parish records to 
 the state. After that, the government-run Civil Registry came into effect, 
 and for that one there's a separate book each year, and the local 
 government services are supposed to deliver to the designated archive all 
 the books older than 100 years. But they're only required to do so every 5 
 years, so the books starting from 1911 to 1915 will be delivered earliest 
 in 2015.

 However, as with any government burocracy there can be delays, there's a 
 lot of places in Portugal (and I see some in the Azores) that haven't 
 reported getting any books after 1905.

 João


 On Wednesday, 30 July 2014 02:27:23 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

 *There is a 100 year rule on releasing records in the Acores. Most 
 likely the records past March are in the next book which could go to 1915 
 so it will not be released until the last record in the book is over 100 
 years old.*

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Epping, NH*

  

 *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
 Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*

  

  

 *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On 
 Behalf Of *Elizabeth Migliori

 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:09 PM
 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Arrifes baptisms

  

 Hello,

 Am I seeing this site correctly?  I see baptism for 1911 in Arrifes only 
 up to March?

 Is there somewhere else I an go to?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1866 marriage Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island, written at end of book

[João Ventura]

Hi Cheri,

Yes, this one seems like scratch paper. I see a birth (upside down) and a 
death record in there (dowside up:), but I'd have to verify if the records 
were then correctly transcribed. The books might have been on tour when 
the priest performed those services.

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On Thursday, 24 July 2014 19:04:45 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Oh!  A good chunk of it reads like a marriage, but it was after that 
 closing paragraph and it didn't follow the language I was used to.

 Is this one the same thing?  But it's a little more like scratch paper 
 with some math and one entry written upside down!  
 http://goo.gl/NNPKjD

 Thanks!
 Cheri


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 Hi Cheri,

 This is the letter that was written (and then received) in December 1866 
 authorizing these grooms to marry. Supposedly because the groom got 
 permission to marry from his father (at 23!!!).

 The marriage itself will be recorded, most likely in early 1867.

 João Ventura
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 On Thursday, 24 July 2014 18:32:11 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 As I was clicking through the images of Ribeira das Tainhas on Sao 
 Miguel island, and got to the last marriage for 1866, I noticed too many 
 other images for 1866.  So I clicked.  And I found this.
 http://goo.gl/TuymiQ

 It's an unnumbered marriage.  I don't know what the top paragraph says.  
 I can get the bride and groom, ages, etc, etc.  Interesting that the date 
 is on the 2nd page of the marriage at the end (4 Dec 1866).  There's 
 something weird here.  And something about a dispensation.

 So what's all this extra stuff in this marriage?  Why was it recorded 
 after the last entry and the paragraph that closes the book?

 -- 
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 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1866 marriage Ribeira das Tainhas, Sao Miguel island, written at end of book

[João Ventura]

Hi Cheri,

This is the letter that was written (and then received) in December 1866 
authorizing these grooms to marry. Supposedly because the groom got 
permission to marry from his father (at 23!!!).

The marriage itself will be recorded, most likely in early 1867.

João Ventura
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On Thursday, 24 July 2014 18:32:11 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 As I was clicking through the images of Ribeira das Tainhas on Sao Miguel 
 island, and got to the last marriage for 1866, I noticed too many other 
 images for 1866.  So I clicked.  And I found this.
 http://goo.gl/TuymiQ

 It's an unnumbered marriage.  I don't know what the top paragraph says.  I 
 can get the bride and groom, ages, etc, etc.  Interesting that the date is 
 on the 2nd page of the marriage at the end (4 Dec 1866).  There's something 
 weird here.  And something about a dispensation.

 So what's all this extra stuff in this marriage?  Why was it recorded 
 after the last entry and the paragraph that closes the book?

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 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Awaiting results for Batch 575

[João Ventura]

Hi Marylin,

Yes, I had an FF kit on batch 575 that they posted the matches about a week 
ago. Your kit should be coming up very soon, unless they needed to send you 
a new sample kit.

João Ventura
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On Monday, 21 July 2014 00:13:06 UTC+2, Marilyn Thompson wrote:

 I guess I am just impatient it seems like it said the results would be 
 done in 1 to 2 weeks several weeks ago. I must have been really under 2 
 weeks ago.

 Does anyone else have results for familyfinder in batch 575?

 Marilyn


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help, mom's name

[João Ventura]

Hi Cheri,

Most likely, they did baptize him, but the priest lost the record (or 
something), and when they had to find it again, it was nowhere to be found. 
It's easy to solve that by re-baptizing him.

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On Monday, 21 July 2014 06:57:18 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:

 Dan,

 Yes, they were.  It appears that they discovered he wasn't baptized when 
 he went to get married.  All of his siblings were baptized except him.  
 Don't know if the family all got sick, everyone was busy harvesting or 
 what. No exact date was given, only the year.  So he was baptized as an 
 adult.  Kinda weird for the 1820s, if memory serves me correctly.

 Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Interpretation of surname LIMA

[João Ventura]

Hello, Barbara,

I don't have the same document as Antonio, but I fully support his answer. 
The only correction I'd like to make is that Limia/Lima is not a land, but 
a river. There's a land in Spain called Xinzo de Limia, but there's also 
a Ponte de Lima. Your surname can descend from this guy's family or 
simply from others that lived in one of these towns.

João Ventura
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On Sunday, 20 July 2014 22:42:28 UTC+2, A Faria wrote:


 Hi Barbara 

 According to a book I have on the Noble families of Portugal . The first 
 person recorded with the surname Lima was D. Joao Fernandes de Lima,(the 
 good). He was from the land of Limia(Lima) in Galicia. Lima is also the 
 Portuguese word for Lime.

 Antonio


 On Sunday, July 20, 2014 11:15:52 AM UTC-7, Barbara Bluhm wrote:

 Hello, does anyone have an interpretation of the surname Lima or da Lima? 
 A person has told me that Lima means wood? Responses appreciated, Thanks, 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA Site

[João Ventura]

I'd easier believe that some key person is now on vacations. Anyway, it's 
only been two weeks without something new 
(http://tombo.pt/en/content/novos-livros-paroquiais-em-20140703)

Best regards,

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On Friday, 18 July 2014 07:53:41 UTC+2, Pam Santos wrote:

 I am wondering if they ran out of server space again? They did not upload 
 marriages last week and so far this week nothing has been added either. I 
 hope not.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My Family Finder results

[João Ventura]

Hi Rick,

Cheri had already told me that it would be coming out soon. Your info 
confirms that..

And no, I'm not in the Azores DNA project, but my wife and her grandmother 
are. I'm waiting on the grandma's test (my kid's great-grandmother), who 
turned 88 the other day. I'm eagerly waiting for confirmation that the FF 
test was successful, as this is the second time that something was returned 
to the lab, and I'm not going to get many chances at doing this cycle, as 
each cycle involves taking a sample in Flores, sending the package to the 
US and waiting for the lab to say something, and if unsuccessful, they send 
me a new kit to Germany, where it starts all over.

João Ventura
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On Monday, 14 July 2014 14:53:06 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

 *Joao, Your results should be most any day now as Isabella was in the same 
 batch. Because you are not in the Azores DNA Project I cannot check on the 
 exact status of your test.*

  

 *Rick*

  


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 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My Family Finder results

  

 Hi Isabella,

  

 Do you remember which batch you were on? I'm waiting on a result for batch 
 575...

  

 João

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 On Saturday, 12 July 2014 13:57:18 UTC+2, Isabella Baltar wrote:

 I finally have my results on Family Finder, pretty exciting to see all the 
 possibilities that opened with the test. I have only one 2nd/4th cousin 
 from who I believe is from Terceira Island and from this group. I sent an 
 email to this one. All the other results are in the 3rd/5th group. 

  

 After waiting to a match come up on my mtDNA for more than one year and 
 still waiting on that, it is great news to focus on other branches of my 
 family.

  

 Looking forward hearing from others that may fit my tree.

  

 Isabella Baltar

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My Family Finder results

[João Ventura]

Hi Rick

IT'S OUT.. I'm so happy!! So many matches, and some of them so much 
stronger than my wife's..

João :)

On Monday, 14 July 2014 16:38:44 UTC+2, João Ventura wrote:

 Hi Rick,

 Cheri had already told me that it would be coming out soon. Your info 
 confirms that..

 And no, I'm not in the Azores DNA project, but my wife and her grandmother 
 are. I'm waiting on the grandma's test (my kid's great-grandmother), who 
 turned 88 the other day. I'm eagerly waiting for confirmation that the FF 
 test was successful, as this is the second time that something was returned 
 to the lab, and I'm not going to get many chances at doing this cycle, as 
 each cycle involves taking a sample in Flores, sending the package to the 
 US and waiting for the lab to say something, and if unsuccessful, they send 
 me a new kit to Germany, where it starts all over.

 João Ventura
 http://tombo.pt/en

 On Monday, 14 July 2014 14:53:06 UTC+2, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:

 *Joao, Your results should be most any day now as Isabella was in the 
 same batch. Because you are not in the Azores DNA Project I cannot check on 
 the exact status of your test.*

  

 *Rick*

  


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 *Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com*

 *Kalani Mondoy - mamo...@gmail.com *

  

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 Behalf Of *João Ventura
 *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2014 3:31 AM
 *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My Family Finder results

  

 Hi Isabella,

  

 Do you remember which batch you were on? I'm waiting on a result for 
 batch 575...

  

 João

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 On Saturday, 12 July 2014 13:57:18 UTC+2, Isabella Baltar wrote:

 I finally have my results on Family Finder, pretty exciting to see all 
 the possibilities that opened with the test. I have only one 2nd/4th cousin 
 from who I believe is from Terceira Island and from this group. I sent an 
 email to this one. All the other results are in the 3rd/5th group. 

  

 After waiting to a match come up on my mtDNA for more than one year and 
 still waiting on that, it is great news to focus on other branches of my 
 family.

  

 Looking forward hearing from others that may fit my tree.

  

 Isabella Baltar

 myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

  

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Accurate place name

[João Ventura]

Hi Mara,

Sorry to correct you, but upto 1976 the island of São Jorge used to belong 
to the district of Angra do Heroísmo. For place names in mainland Portugal, 
it makes sense to use one of the following:

- parish, municipality, district, Portugal (e.g. Queluz, Sintra, Lisboa, 
Portugal); or,
- Portugal, district, municipality, parish (e.g. Portugal, Lisboa, Sintra, 
Queluz)

Which one you use depends a lot on your preference. A parish in São Jorge 
following the above scheme would indeed include something like São Jorge, 
Velas, Angra do Heroísmo, Portugal (for http://tombo.pt/en/f/vls05). When I 
created the tombo.pt website, I actually followed this. But as it was 
confusing to everyone, I dropped the old districts and in the case of 
Azores, I recomend to use the following:

- parish, municipality, island, Açores, Portugal, or
- Portugal, Açores, island, municipality, parish.

I'd recommend to never translate the place names (i.e. use Açores, and 
Lisboa instead of Azores and Lisbon). It only confuses when people decide 
to translate São Miguel to St. Michael, but they don't translate Flores to 
Flowers.

Best regards,

João Ventura
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On Friday, 4 July 2014 17:41:34 UTC+2, Mara wrote:

 Hi Donna,

 Do not accept the auto fill suggestions because they are wrong.  Names of 
 the islands should never be converted ie. São Jorge (S. Jorge) to St. 
 George.  Azores is acceptable as it is the region and a 
 recognizable/acceptable EN translation.

 Angra do Heroismo is the capital city of the island of Terceira, nothing 
 to do with the island of S. Jorge.


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 I am compiling my family info for familysearch Family Tree. When I’m 
 typing the place of birth in this program, the computer autofills.  It 
 always includes the term  *“Angra do Heroísmo*

  

 The autofilled standard insert for place of birth automatically pops up 
 as : 

  

St George, *Angra do Heroísmo*, Azores, Portugal

  

 What I actually typed was:  

  

   Village of Rosais, Council of Velas, São Jorge, Azores

  

 So the standard replacement that autofilled my record didn’t include the 
 village or Council.

  

 Can someone tell me if  *“Angra do Heroísmo**”*is accurate for the 
 name of the place where he was born_  

  

 Thank you in advance for any help. –DonnaO

 PS I’m also submitting my into to our Azores DNA Project 
  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Questions on differences in format on records CCA

[João Ventura]

Hello all,

Just a word of caution here. Formally, the use of Dom/Dona is indeed a 
royal prvilege, a bit like the English Sir.  However, somewhere in the 
19th century it became costumary to call every woman a Dona, after they 
became older (respect for elders, yada yada...).

So just because you see a Dona being used, that doesn't mean much outside 
the context of the time. A Dona in the early 1700s would certainly be of 
noble blood. But not in the late 1800s.

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  Isabella;  Thank you for your response and explanations to my 
 questions.  Apparently, I have some female ancestors who were highly 
 respected….  

 I did not know there were strict rules set forth for the structure of the 
 baptism records.  As you say, the priest must have simply forgot to enter 
 the surname of the father in some instances.  Odd.

 I understand the use of “devotional” names, I just thought it odd that a 
 few of the mothers and/or godmothers would have their surnames listed and 
 others would not.

 I guess this priest was simply erratic in his recordings of baptisms.

 Thank you for your insights and explanations, Sam in NC

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Capitao - Captain: What might this title refer to?

[João Ventura]

Hi all,

Indeed, as John indicated these would be the Captain of the local 
Companhia de Ordenanças. Which mostly meant someone was ordering others 
around. Most of these others were local peasants with a pitchfork as their 
best weapon, and they received little to no training. So when the pirates 
invaded, these Ordenanças platoons were supposed to defend against them. 
However, in terms of weapons technology difference, they stood as good a 
chance as if they were being invaded by the Navy SEALS. It wasn't until 
much later that fortifications (and cannons) were installed in the islands 
to defend against pirates.

There's a very good paper on this here: 
 http://www.ihit.pt/new/boletins/distribuicao_territorial.pdf

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On Thursday, 3 July 2014 12:19:04 UTC+2, John Raposo wrote:

 The islands had local militia's that were responsible for different areas 
 of each island. They were headed by a captain. You will also find the term 
 Sargento used for a lower officer of these militias. 


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 Hello,

 I just was going over some of my ancestor lines taken from the Rodrigo 
 Rodrigues: Genealogies Book and came across a number of family names with 
 Capitao as seen below.  Would any one know what the most likely type of 
 captain this could be referring to based during the 1630's  - 1670's. OR 
 does it mean something else?


 Francisco Raposo, Capitão
 Sebastião Raposo do Amaral, Capitão, 
 Capitão Manuel Pavão 
 Agostinho Raposo, Capitão
 Capitão Amador Dias 
 Capitão Tomé Gonçalves Falcão 

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