Re: [Cooker] ReKall is going to be GPL
Spencer wrote: Eric Fernandez wrote: The Kompany has decided to distribute ReKall, a frontend to xBase, MySQL, and PostgreSQL, under the GPL (actually dual licensing GPL/Proprietary). That would be a nice addition to the distribution, considering there are few database GUI frontends. See there : http://www.rekallrevealed.org/ Eric . I am working on it now. Should be in contribs later this week. Spence Many thanks Eric
[Cooker] ReKall is going to be GPL
The Kompany has decided to distribute ReKall, a frontend to xBase, MySQL, and PostgreSQL, under the GPL (actually dual licensing GPL/Proprietary). That would be a nice addition to the distribution, considering there are few database GUI frontends. See there : http://www.rekallrevealed.org/ Eric
[Cooker] LG publishes a way to reflash their killed drives
Thanks to Paul on Mandrakeclub forum : Go to : http://us.lgservice.com/ Choose Product support, then Device driver, CD-ROM and Emergency download for Physical Dead Drive from Mandrake Linux 9.2 There is a Dead.gif file explaining the way to reflash the drive. Note that they don't advertise it a lot... Go figure... At least that's good news. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Thierry Vignaud wrote: do you really get fs corruption as of october ? No, I understand now, it reboots after the file checking. So it handles it nicely now. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Updated ATI Kernel Modules
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Montag, 3. November 2003, 10:18:57 Uhr MET, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Greg Meyer wrote: Are we going to see updated ATI kernel modules for the 9.2 kernel updates? wrong question, should be: are we going to see SRPMS for any version at all. I'll be happy to recompile but am not going to duplicate the effort. I've already duplicated that efford. Here are my unoffical packages, adding the missing applications as well: http://wwwra.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/Mandrake/SRPMS/ATI_GLX-3.2.8-1gpw.src.rpm http://wwwra.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/Mandrake/SRPMS/ATI_kernel-2.4.22.23mdk-3.2.8-1mdk.src.rpm Götz, you work to hard:) Any objections if I put them on club (with obsoletes for the in-house version?) d. Danny, I have open a club request for these drivers http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=RPMfunc=info_pageRID=1611 Maybe you could link them to the entry ? BTW, maybe that would be necessary to rename the patch name to mdk to uniformise, if Gotz doesn't mind ? Cheers Eric
Re: [Cooker] Club RPMs?
I wrote a guide about it there : http://www.zebulon.org.uk/ICML0.HTML Eric Daouda LO wrote: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sunday 26 October 2003 11:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, it shouldn't be this hard to find the fsckin' urpmi setup for club. Someone at Mdk pull their head out and put this somewhere quasi-prominent. It is THE primary reason for me to pay for club. You've tried: # drakclub ? Hey, that looks like it should be kinda cool. I say should be because it prompts me for my login, password and root password, goes and configures the urpmi source and then hangs without ever going back to the wizard. Maybe broken links (location of the hdlist) on the server. I'll take a look with Alexis. But at least I got my urpmi source... Are you able to update from this source ?
Re: [Cooker] Club RPMs?
Daouda LO wrote: Eric Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wrote a guide about it there : http://www.zebulon.org.uk/ICML0.HTML But i don't see any drakclub wizard material in there. Launch drakclub to see what it does. It's not mandatory to be root but you need root password to set up the urpmi sources otherwise only your one month free club account is created. Very handy for newbies who want something graphical and simple. You're right. I talk about it, but did not make any screenshot yet. Eric
Re: [Cooker] bugzilla package list a bit short
Götz Waschk wrote: Am Freitag, 31. Oktober 2003, 10:47:49 Uhr MET, schrieb Glenn Burkhardt: How does one report a bug to specific packages on Bugzilla? The list of packages is a bit short, as compared to the query page. I'd like to submit a bug for the xfig package. You're right, the package list is currently broken. You'll have to wait for someone fixing this. Also, what is broken is the listed current version. Sometimes 4.4-9mdk is labeled (current) when the 4.4-37mdk is on the list. If you choose the real latest version, there is a scary message saying that probably your bug report will be ignored :/ Eric
[Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
In case of a hard-reset, init messages indicate the computer was not shut down cleanly, and a message appear : Press Y within 5 seconds to force the file system check Actually this is very misleading : if you do it with ext3, it does NOT use the journal and then you will experience system losses. Lots of newbies have reported that problem. Now that would be nice to change this message so that people leave the journalisation do the good work. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Buchan Milne wrote: Are you *very* *very* sure this is still present in 9.2 It was there in 9.1, but it was fixed for 9.2. Please ensure that you are not confused, as I am sure (and I tested quite a few times with 9.2rc2) that it is fixed. Regards, Buchan I am sure it still does it on my cooker box. I'll check again on the fresh box and will report. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
Buchan Milne wrote: Are you *very* *very* sure this is still present in 9.2 It was there in 9.1, but it was fixed for 9.2. Please ensure that you are not confused, as I am sure (and I tested quite a few times with 9.2rc2) that it is fixed. Regards, Buchan Yep, I definitely confirm on a new 9.2 install + updates. Of course, if bootsplash is not silent (after pressing escape). Eric
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] misleading : Press Y within 5 seconds File system check
FACORAT Fabrice wrote: I suffer from this too. But normally this has been corrected. If you launch filesystem check, the system should reboot automatically after. OK, actually since I got a disaster with it, I did not dare doing it again. I can check on the experimental 9.2 computer I have. Eric
Re: [Cooker] A new guide about rpmdrake
Thanks Phil. I sent you a copy of my mail. Tell me if you don't receive it. Eric
Re: [Cooker] A new guide about rpmdrake
Hi everyone I have updated my guide, corrected the font problem and added the kernel update tutorial. Cheers Eric
Re: [Cooker] A new guide about rpmdrake
Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Fernandez wrote: Hi everyone I have updated my guide, corrected the font problem and added the kernel update tutorial. BTW, you may want to mention Club free (I believe the urpmi.web page has some mirrors listed) urpmi meduim. Currently for 9.2 we have only mozilla-1.5 (and updated win4lin kernels but they are now behind again). For 9.1, there is quite a bit more, including mozilla-1.5, OpenOffice.org-1.1, and a few more (with my last packages for 9.1 coming soon). Good idea, I should do a page to promote this indeed. Why not using some colour background / icons to indicate the parts for members and for everyone ? My idea is also to extend my guide to present a selection of these big programs, or by themes, for example, a tour of the games. I was amazed, the game repository (with contrib and PLF) alone is 1.8GB (installed) ! Eric
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion: move 9.2 to 9.2b or 9.2.1 and CHANGE the kernel!
Claudio wrote: Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ;-) Since many of us are having BIG problem with the 9.2 tree on the mirror (expecially for the LG-bug), imho it would be safe to REMOVE the actual 9.2 and upload a new 9.2b or similar, with the fixed kernel (and the correct kde packages and so on...). What do you think about it? Thanks, Claudio What you suggest has been announced ages ago on the errata page... Moreover, there is nothing to remove since it has not been distributed to the public and is not available on server (except for leaked versions). Eric
Re: [Cooker] Suggestion: move 9.2 to 9.2b or 9.2.1 and CHANGE the kernel!
John Allen wrote: WTH does that mean How can a public ftp server contain leaked version of Mandrake 9.2? I correct myself : leaked bittorrent links (available to non-members). Eric
[Cooker] [9.2] The Windows widow shows wrongly 9.1 !
When you insert the CD 1 of download edition (not tried with the powerpack) under Windows, the Welcome window shows 9.1 instead of 9.2. It is such details that make people say the distribution is rushed and not polished... Polishing is VERY important, and Mandrake should take care of it for the next distribution. Having a nice, clean Desktop at start, with a complete K bar would be nice, not two small icons (I signaled it on Bugzilla that icons should be in medium size at start. Anyway, since you are going to remaster the 9.2, please correct the wrong 9.1 Window title under Windows. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [9.2] The Windows widow shows wrongly 9.1 !
Buchan Milne wrote: sarcasm Yes, for an operating system that is intended to remove the need for Windows, the most critical feature is the version number on the software which you should never need to use after installing it. Maybe next time we should rather fix that than worrying about newer packages, fixing bugs etc? /sarcasm Buchan, I think you missed my point. I do not consider that version number the most important thing in the distribution, and I appreciate and recognise the quality of the work that everyone does here. If I criticise Mandrake here, it is because I love it ! I can understand that people who are disturbed by the fact they insert the CD and read and mismatching version number. And yes this kind of error has to be corrected, since it hurts Mandrake when you read a review that will use the same sarcasm mode in his text about rushing the release. An advice : remove completely that version number in the window title. It is not necessary, and will prevent any error in the future. For Stephane : I disagree there are a lot of bugs in the distro. The fact that the updates are big in size does not mean there are a lot of bugs. You may correct one little bug in KDe and anyway have to release 100MB of updated rpm. Eric
[Cooker] A new guide about rpmdrake
I have done a new guide for installing media and software, with 9.2 screenshots. It is available here :http://www.zebulon.org.uk/ICML0.HTML (and licensed under FDL). It is not completely finished (see the TODO page). I would like to get some criticisms, advices. I think that Mandrake should advertise the club with such tutorials, and emphasizing theaccess to the different media. A lot of people still do not know the rpmdrake management. Eric
Re: [Cooker] A new guide about rpmdrake
Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Fernandez wrote: I have done a new guide for installing media and software, with 9.2 screenshots. It is available here :http://www.zebulon.org.uk/ICML0.HTML (and licensed under FDL). It is not completely finished (see the TODO page). I would like to get some criticisms, advices. I think that Mandrake should advertise the club with such tutorials, and emphasizing theaccess to the different media. A lot of people still do not know the rpmdrake management. Very nice. Except on page 3a: http://www.zebulon.org.uk/ICML3A.HTML You have a bad link: file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/ef2/Desktop/MDK92GUIDE/snapshot92.png (shall we have a whole thread on Zeb using Windows 2000 or WIndows XP now ;-)). :)) I thought I uploaded 3a again with the link. I polished it this morning at the university on W2K (but I used Mozilla editor)... Thanks Buchan for spotting it, and for the advices. I hope that urpmi.setup will be integrated to the distribution soon. I'll complete it with the kernel update, the DVD decryption and will submit it to the club. By the way, does anyone know if http://trylinuxsd.com has been transferred to another place ? The domain name does not exist anymore. Cheers Eric
Re: [Cooker] Huge List of Updates
If you remaster CD1, actually there are three big issues : - the LG drives problem - the updates - the default installed applications. In KDE, a new install has very few applications installed. It was a nice idea to split the kde packages for space reason. What is not nice is that KDE seems completely empty after install (and I am not talking about the update-menus bug though). This is a bug I reported before, for RC1 but also RC2 (bug #5453), and early reviews show criticisms for this. Mozilla is not installed by default, there is no KMail, games are almost empty... At least, Gnome has Galeon and Evolution. Mandrake is supposed to be nice with newbies, thus some more basic applications should be enabled at start, instead of having to install them oneself. This may be corrected also for a remastering of the CD1, by increasing the number of default installed applications. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Huge List of Updates
guran wrote: What is the necessity for this design of very few KDE packages? How can a newbie be helped in learning to understand Linux by cutting it into a forced search for missing packages? Is it a political decission against qt? In reviews of KDE the journalists very often like the many ways to change KDE in a consistent design. This is helped by kappfinder. What benefits do the Mdk menu has to change the design of KDE. Why is the Mdk screensaver the only single coloured way to save the screen. I don't understand the logic behind these decissions. regards guran Actually I think it is a good idea to split packages. Other distros do it too. Why installing the kde fax machine when you don't have a fax modem ? This is good for saving disk space. However, the installer has to take that in account, and : - update previous versions by considering it has to install the supplementary packages - on a new version install more stuff by default. Newbies will have a ready-to-use box and power users will know they can remove stuff. There is a balance to find between saving space and usability. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Huge List of Updates
Eric Fernandez wrote: If you remaster CD1, actually there are three big issues : - the LG drives problem - the updates - the default installed applications. In KDE, a new install has very few applications installed. It was a nice idea to split the kde packages for space reason. What is not nice is that KDE seems completely empty after install (and I am not talking about the update-menus bug though). This is a bug I reported before, for RC1 but also RC2 (bug #5453), and early reviews show criticisms for this. Mozilla is not installed by default, there is no KMail, games are almost empty... At least, Gnome has Galeon and Evolution. Mandrake is supposed to be nice with newbies, thus some more basic applications should be enabled at start, instead of having to install them oneself. This may be corrected also for a remastering of the CD1, by increasing the number of default installed applications. Eric I want to correct what I wrote : actually, a lot of packages are really installed. So it may be a problem only with the updating. However, the task bar is empty, that should be corrected. Eric
Re: [Cooker] New ISO with updates
Buchan Milne wrote: Only if 50MB is not enough to absorb the dependancies ... But do you really need to remaster CD1 into a 700MB iso ? Do the corrected packages increase the size that much ? For the download edition, if you need some space, why not dropping the kernel marcelo ? Do really people need the binaries of the vanilla kernel on the download edition ? Eric
[Cooker] [Mandrake 10] : Updating the default icon artwork
Hi all In KDE, Crystal icons are nice, but now they seem outdated compared to new icon sets available. I had a look at kde-look artworks, and there are superb pieces of work. Moreover, a new major Mandrake release should correspond to a new look. Here are my preferences : New Icon Set by Sean Parsons http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6753 He has a site : http://thelinuxbox.org These icons are very nice, professional Noia by Carlitus http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=3883 Site : http://www.carlitus.net They are wonderful, but I agree that for a professional environment, maybe they are not classical, sober enough. There is also a Noia Warm version, with redish colours. Slick icons by Amibug http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8313 http://www.digital-confusion.net/slickpreview.jpg download them at : http://www.digital-confusion.net/linux.html They are very nice, very professional. Sean's icons and Slick are not yet finished, but may be complete for Mandrake 10, considering the dynamic of these projects. What do you think ? I always thought that Gnome showed better icons, and KDE could get a new set too. Eric
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
I agree it is a strange move to desynchronise main or Mandrake/RPMS with the 3CD download edition. It would be better to remove some documentations from the download edition instead of the kernel-source. Now tutorials about rpmdrake will be more complex... At least, it is still possible to add main and contrib media, even if you leave the CDs media. Are there other packages that are in Mandrake/RPMS and that are not in the 3CD DE ? Are they all in the 3CD Powerpack edition ? But as you mentioned it, there will be a kernel update very soon, so the sources should be updated too. Eric
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
Eric Fernandez wrote: I agree it is a strange move to desynchronise main or Mandrake/RPMS with the 3CD download edition. It would be better to remove some documentations from the download edition instead of the kernel-source. Now tutorials about rpmdrake will be more complex... At least, it is still possible to add main and contrib media, even if you leave the CDs media. Are there other packages that are in Mandrake/RPMS and that are not in the 3CD DE ? Are they all in the 3CD Powerpack edition ? But as you mentioned it, there will be a kernel update very soon, so the sources should be updated too. Eric OK, I answer to myself : the main repository in Cooker and 9.2 folders is 2460MB big. So it would need 4 CDs. to be entirely burnt. I wonder what is the difference between main hdlist.cz and the 3CD editions. I will try to make a diff between the two file lists. Eric
Re: [Cooker] errata: kernel-source not on 9.2 CDs?
Buchan Milne wrote: They are all in ProSuite, and I think all on the workstation DVD, I'm not sure about Powerpack. Regards, Buchan Thanks Buchan Actually I always thought main was the 3CD download edition. My mistake. I'll try to find a command to make a list of missing packages. Anyway, what is nice with urpmi is that media can overlap, and if the same package are on two different media, it asks first for the removable one. That's clever and finally makes the urpmi documentation not that difficult. Kind regards. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Joining the Club
Michael Lothian wrote: Hi I wan't to join Mandrake club it get the 9.2 ISO when they're released and also to do my bit for mandrake Is it possible to pay monthly? Thanks Mike Ask Stephane : [EMAIL PROTECTED] AFAIK, no, but he said before they were studying a solution. It is not that easy because of the bank procedures. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Joining the Club
Steve Larabee wrote: Might I suggest something? Tough, I'm going to anyway. I pay for my web hosting solution (and one or two other things) through a PayPal Subscription. It's easy, free for the payer and fairly cheap for the payee. I will be more than happy to send links and/or more detailed information if anyone in MDK thinks it might be a viable solution. Regards, Steve Hi Steve In Mandrakestore, you can pay using PayPal. I don't know if it is possible for club subscription though. Eric
[Cooker] New ATi drivers 3.2.8 solve KT400 incompatibility
ATi has just released new ATi drivers. 3.2.5 drivers have been packaged for 9.2 in the commercial rpms section, but 3.2.8 offer a lot of enhancements, and especially compatibility with kernel 2.6 and VIA KT400. Will they be packaged for 9.2 and put in the commercial downloads ? thanks Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Ideas for RpmDrake [long]
I agree with a lot of your comments, and the screenshot is very nice. Since softwares are more and more fragmented into smaller rpms (which is a good thing though), a meta-packaging should be introduced indeed in the next release. That would ease installation, even for urpmi users. But we already talked about this, I remember. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Ideas for RpmDrake [long]
Guillaume Cottenceau wrote: There would take very much diskspace, especially screenshots! And what about the time needed to do all the screenshots, list plugins.. I agree with this, however, screenshots could be limited to the Mandrake choice packages, and instead of being included in the distribution, been linked to a page on Mandrakeclub, as I suggested before. Why not simply using a HTML link to such screenshot ? A screenshot is really handful, it shows in one instant the layout of a software, and gives a rough idea of its possibilities. Olivier Thauvin's easy-urpmi should be integrated in the media configuration tool, when I have time :/ however I'm not very much in favor of pushing newbies to use external packages (at the time cooker was easily addable graphically, so many people broke their system by trying to install programs ugrades) Contrib should be easily added by newbies, it is better to support these unofficial repositories instead of seeing newbies trying to install Red Hat packages from rpmfind. Also, there is a strong demand for DVD playing, thus PLF should be easily added. We know it cannot be done out-of-the box, but there is no need to name it (or Gotz suggested that a disclamer would be enough, which makes sense) For this reason that would be great to merge the media management with urpmi.setup, that can retrieve mirror lists. Anyway, this is more an educational issue on the way to use rpmdrake and manage the media than a software design problem. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Ideas for RpmDrake [long]
FACORAT Fabrice wrote: not all people have an internet connection and/or a DSL link Why not in a rpm then : screenshots that could be part of documentation. They don't need to be huge or finely detailed. JPG with a high compression (or PNG ?) are sufficient. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Ideas for RpmDrake [long]
FACORAT Fabrice wrote: Le mer 08/10/2003 à 13:24, Eric Fernandez a écrit : FACORAT Fabrice wrote: not all people have an internet connection and/or a DSL link Why not in a rpm then : screenshots that could be part of documentation. They don't need to be huge or finely detailed. JPG with a high compression (or PNG ?) are sufficient. We had the same idea ... lol --- Je me sers d'animaux pour instruire les hommes -- Jean de La Fontaine Yes, your message below had been delayed on my box :))) For the work that it would take, why not asking Club members ? Let's decide a format, resolution and compression level, and open a thread so that people can post their shots. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Ideas for RpmDrake [long] - install from menu
Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote: Hi! I think this is an interesting thread. A few ideas: 1. make install of progrms directly available from the menu. With a right click one can administer menu items. ine thing is to under eg word processing, you can add a menu item like koffice, if it is not there, and adding the menu item will also install the program. This would be easily understandable for a newbie. It is directly related to the main tool that the newbie (and others) use, namely the menu. Administer menu items could also let the menu item go away - and that would then uninstall the packages too. I like this idea of an installer menu. But to avoid confusion, do not add it to the standard menu (its size would be too important). In addition to rpmdrake, make it a new menu in the bar, with packages sorted using Mandrake choice or other (the sort order could be configured with a right click). It could then open rpmdrake to install them for example. This would be a good way to show rpmdrake to the newbies. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Re: k3b_010cvs icon does not appear in the KDE menu
Marcel Pol wrote: On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:58:10 +0200 Mark Draheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's the menu file ?package(k3b) ^^^ change that to k3b_0.10cvs Ah, of course. I see it now. Thanks, I'll fix it. So I don't need to answer your questions then :) Thanks a lot for looking into it. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 9.2 update policy
Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pascal Terjan wrote: | Jos Hulzink wrote: | | Jabber is no option for all the new guys that come over from Redmond | OS, for they don't want a huge manual how to set up a gateway, they | want working IM. If you don't care about those guys, you don't care | about Mandrake. | | Very soon MSN is no option at all for non Windows users anyway (15th October). And Yahoo is going to block 3rd party softwares too. Then I think the IM client to use is one of the sectors where MS could be quickly beaten. Jabber works on a lot of OSes and will never be restricted. BTW, it shows again how Free software developpers are more open-minded than Windows devs. Eric
[Cooker] k3b_010cvs icon does not appear in the KDE menu
I don't get the icons in the KDE menu with k3b_010cvs (but k3b in main has got icons). The icons are in the package though. Is that specific to my install ? Eric
Re: [Cooker] argh, i can't edit wiki
Warly wrote: Sorry for the delay. Well, who want a write acces, may you add also what you are planning to write (to have an idea). Me too Warly, could you please activate my account ? EricFernandez, my account on Bugzilla is zeb Many thanks Eric
Re: [Cooker] more good news for Mandrake
Adam Williamson wrote: A big pat on the back for fpons: http://lwn.net/Articles/49967/ To conclude this lengthy and time consuming experiment involving package installations and distribution upgrades, we have two clear winners - Debian and Mandrake. Yes, and what they consider a disadvantage (the fact that the kernel has to be upgraded separately) is imo an advantage. A question : under Debian : there is no equivalent of urpmi.update -a ? Media update is automatic ? Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
Buchan Milne wrote: If you mean that it's final place should be on a website/wiki, then IMHO http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca is currently a better place (and you will get a password immediately). Thanks, I did not know that one. Guillaume : I could begin there, and once finished, we could report it on urpmi.org. But another place would be Mandrakeclub : there is a doc section, and mandrake tools should be visible where the newbies come first. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
Buchan Milne wrote: I have added docs to MandrakeClub, and to the Mandrake Community Wiki, and I don't think you can compare the two fairly at present. Abusing the splatt forum for documentation results is a worse tool than a wiki. I had asked Deno about a wiki for the documentation section on Club, but he didn't have time to look at it. Now we could ask Stephane, the new webmaster of the club. I shall get in touch with him. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Please excuse my ignorance.........
Steve Larabee wrote: I am brand new to the Cooker scene and am having trouble finding the most effective way (not to mention reliable FTP site) to keep updated. Can anyone please send me their procedures that they feel work the best? A list of RELIABLE FTP sites in the eastern half of the US would also be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Steve Hi Steve Use http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon to set up your cooker sources. You'll get a list of mirrors. Preferably, use the rsync:// mirrors to save bandwidth. See the CookerHowTo http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo Cheers Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
Guillaume Rousse wrote: Ainsi parlait Vincent Danen : Actually, there is no point just explaining servers in contrib are not updated. A real explanation of mandrake policy would be far better: - what is main, what is contrib, and what is update ? - what does get updated ? etc... Good grief.. everyone wants policy policy policy... =) Main is what is in the main tree. You know, what comes in the download edition. The stuff that is labelled not contribs. The meat of the distro. The equivilant of Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS Contribs is contribs. It's labelled as such. updates? Should be pretty obvious. Updates are stuff in main that need fixing for whatever reason. Main gets updated. contribs doesn't. I don't see what is so difficult about this. This is how it has *always* been. It hasn't changed. No need for a policy regarding it. This is just how it's done. I know all of this, just because i've been there for 4 years now. My point is that i'm fed up with oral tradition. No one knows about contribs outside cooker communauty. Among the few newbies that know about urpmi, they always use urpmi.update whereas none of their sources ever change. Etc... What we lack here is a clear explanation of mdk functionning targeted at outside world. I agree we need a good graphical user guide for rpmdrake/urpmi, and a graphical database of main applications available (and the way to install them). There was a good guide on http://trylinuxsd.com, but the site has disappeared (even the domain name is not registered anymore). Anybody knows if it has been moved, and where the autor is ? I wrote a guide about urpmi, I fancy now to do a similar graphical guide than the one on trylinuxsd, but for general application installation. Then, coupled with a base of main applications (forgive me, but I will compare it with Click-and-Run), it could be a good start for beginners. rpmfind is a very fine base, but useless for the beginner. Another good thing for Mandrake 10 would be to combine urpmi.setup with the source manager in rpmdrake. So that you can add sources with simple clicks. Of course, there is the problem of PLF, that should not appear on the source list. But at least, external sources should be easy to add. I still don't understand why this wonderful piece of software that is urpmi/rpmdrake, as well as the all set of drakxtools, are not more advertised by Mandrakesoft. Another example : Mandrakeclub has the ATi 3D drivers. Most of people I know on forums (hardware.fr or rage3d), do not even know this. This would be on the main page of Mandrakeclub, it would boost the subscriptions. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Fernandez wrote: What do you need a graphical database for? Do you mean screenshots? Do you know how big a set of screenshots would be for all the applications in contrib? In some cases a single screenshot could be larger than the whole package!! IMHO you only need this if you are actually *selling* applications (like Lindows). It may be worthwhile for the proprietary stuff in MandrakeClub, but quite pointless for contrib, especially considering the rate at which screenshots get obsoleted ... Wow ! I think you misunderstood : I wrote main applications, most important in every categories, not every one application in main and contrib. A presentation of Xine, mplayer in multimedia, etc... I never wrote all applications in contrib. This would show new users the wide range of available softwares under Linux. Why not combining with an table of Windows equivalent applications, like on http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/ What I am talking about comes from discussions with newbies on different forums : hardware.fr but also mandrakeclub. After repeating hundred times the same advices and guide, I guess I begin to have a clear idea of what newbies miss and ask for. Anyway, this was not my main point. My main idea was not the database, but a graphical tour of rpmdrake, configuring source, and software search and management. rpmfind is also useless for the advanced user, who needs only urpmi. agreed, except the presentation by categories on HTML pages is also useful IMO. I don't see why there should be any restrictions. Instead, the urpmi media should carry a description of the repository, and any repository which has legal problems would be required to stipulate those in the description. I am not a jurist, but this may be a responsability problem for Mandrakesoft to link to pages that offer links to... etc... illegal softwares especially in the US with the DMCA. Does Mandrake advertise any other tools more? No. There simply isn't much advertising budget, but they are well documented all over. Does Debian advertise apt-get all the time? No. It's done by work of mouth. Debian and Mandrake have not the same goals and the same public. Mandrake is a company, it needs to make money, and this goes through promotion and marketing. Word of mouth is generally not sufficient for a company. And for the NVidia drivers, all you need to do is setup the Club source, and run XFdrake, reselect the display card, and it will install the drivers and set it up for you. So, this is how I suggest users do it, but some prefer to download the latest and greatest, and follow the broken instruction in the documentation that come with them, and stuff up their XF86Config-4 file, and then complain that linux is too difficult ... The only way to counter this is for people to give better advice ... (BTW: ltmodem drivers can also be setup from Club in a similar way using drakconnect) I agree. It is why a page about 3D with Nvidia showing step by step installation and configuration of drivers. Almost every day on Mandrakeclub forum there is a post asking how to install those drivers, or that they have a black screen, and newbies are told each time to type XFdrake in the console. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
Buchan Milne wrote: Wow ! I think you misunderstood : I wrote main applications, most important in every categories, not every one application in main and contrib. A presentation of Xine, mplayer in multimedia, etc... I never wrote all applications in contrib. A lot of the useful ones are in contrib, many of the main ones are installed by default. OK, let's say the main ones in contrib. I think you see my point anyway. Firstly, had the users tried to soearch for the software in rpmdrake?? Good point. But some newbies don't even know the existence of rpmdrake. It is not pushed forward by Mandrakesoft, this is what I criticise. Look at the questions on Mandrakeclub forum... 80% have been answered before. I even got a file with the most frequently answers that I use to copy/paste ! :) Sure this is useful (although I thought rpmdrake was pretty easy to use?). Did you have to see a tutorial to use Windows Add/Remove Software? Why do new linux users just not use the software?? Because they think the software does not exist. Because after installing the 3CDs, they don't know they need to add the contrib repository to get full power... It is what I want to put in a tutorial. There's a link to google isn't there? How difficult is it to find DMCA-offending material with google? Maybe we shouldn't link to any search engines in the default bookmarks? For instance: http://www.google.com/search?q=play%20dvd%20on%20linux (look at the first few entries) Wait, maybe we shouldn't install a web browser? But then people might still come to know of this software by email, let's remove the email clients too ... I am sure a disclaimer would be sufficient when running urpmi.setup. As I said I am not a jurist and I don't think I am able to discuss this point. I just want to point out the weirdness of some trials and verdicts (DeCSS, Mobilix, and so on...) So, you have some funds for a large marketing budget? And word of mouth is often more successful than formal marketing and promotion ... I don't think that creating a graphical tour of rpmdrake, like in trylinuxsd.com needs a large marketing budget. Some HTML pages that would be in good place on Mandrakeclub, showing the features of Mandrake could attract people. Simple shots with Enemy Territory to illustrate how it is easy to use club packages to get an accelerated 3D in 5 minutes could be sexy and attract newcomers. BTW, I proposed to do a skeleton of this guide myself ;) Cheers Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
Buchan Milne wrote: (why does everything assume everyone has free internet access) http://www.sulug.sun.ac.za/distros/mandrake/mandrake.html It is great, yes I would like to create something like that for Mandrakeclub. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
Buchan Milne wrote: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/features.php3#5 It's not pushed less than any other feature ... Right, but they are still missed by many newbies, since they often go to the club page now. Mandrakelinux page is good for PR announcements and developers. Look at the questions on Mandrakeclub forum... 80% have been answered before. Sure, but they need to be available *where the user can find it conveniently*. It's pointless adding it to yet another site. Maybe there should be an item in MandrakeGalaxy Install more software? I even got a file with the most frequently answers that I use to copy/paste ! :) Which means that this information needs to be more readily accessible ... directly. Think about users who hardly have internet access ... I really think the documentation aspect (making it easy for newbies to find the documentation they need) is the problem that needs to be solved next. It is exactly my point, and pages like the one you did for your university mirrors are a good way. I shall try to do something graphical, then post it in my wiki (when Warly finally activates my access... Warly ? ;) ) Eric
[Cooker] k3b : icon missing in the menu ?
I use the latest contrib k3b (_010cvs) and the icon is missing in my K menu. Is it a packaging problem or a personal config issue ? Thanks
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 ISOs has been sent
LACROIX Pascal wrote: That RH announce should be a mistake, I realy think it's better if users can see Mandrake in some stores, not especialy in super market, but in some computers-stores. So, only avalable by net and visa : THIS E-STORE IS NOT FOR ME !!! Mandrakestore accepts paypal, transfers and cheques, no ? Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] An Idea for next MDK 10...
Buchan Milne wrote: Instead of discussing version numbers, maybe you would like to discuss things we actually have control over? A better draksound : I proposed already an automatic serial test of OSS and ALSA drivers. Drakxservices : sort them by themes, and add more precise help to indicate when it is necessary (basic, networking, file monitoring, etc...) and warning about how safe it can be A better access to source management : integrate urpmi.setup in the software manager, probably by merging it with the source update. Make an automatic (but optional) update of the sources when you want to install a package and it fails because urpmi detects the source is outdated, and also using anacron (for example). Other ideas will come with time :) Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] An Idea for next MDK 10...
Eric Fernandez wrote: Buchan Milne wrote: Instead of discussing version numbers, maybe you would like to discuss things we actually have control over? A better draksound : I proposed already an automatic serial test of OSS and ALSA drivers. Drakxservices : sort them by themes, and add more precise help to indicate when it is necessary (basic, networking, file monitoring, etc...) and warning about how safe it can be A better access to source management : integrate urpmi.setup in the software manager, probably by merging it with the source update. Make an automatic (but optional) update of the sources when you want to install a package and it fails because urpmi detects the source is outdated, and also using anacron (for example). Other ideas will come with time :) Eric I meant : how safe it can be to turn it off (or on) on your system. Eric
Re: [Cooker] dhcp, squid, bind, snort, ohphone
Florin wrote: all these packages will get to cooker as soon it becomes unfrozen... but not to the already finished 9.2 cheers, Actually, I meant : in the 9.2 official updates folder ? Eric
[Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
apparently, a lot of security flaws have been discovered in proftpd, and some people say there could be a lot other ones (like in wu-ftpd). What about repacing proftpd by pureftpd in the next Mandrake release, as the defaukt ftp server ? It is easy to install and has a reputation to be very secure. WDYT ? Eric
Re: [Cooker] dhcp, squid, bind, snort, ohphone
Florin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Fernandez) writes: Florin wrote: all these packages will get to cooker as soon it becomes unfrozen... but not to the already finished 9.2 cheers, Actually, I meant : in the 9.2 official updates folder ? Eric of course they will get to the official updates ... Cheers, Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
Vincent Danen wrote: a lot is wrong.. one was found, and it only can be exploited if someone can put a certain type of file on the site so they can download it again (to exploit the whole). One hole. There have been some in the past, yes, but hey... we're still shipping openssh and sendmail, aren't we? =) I think proftpd is a good ftp server. pure-ftpd is good too, but if you want secure, let's use vsftpd only. Can't get anymore secure than that. Thanks for the advices, I did not know vsftpd. Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
Vincent Danen wrote: I think proftpd is a good ftp server. pure-ftpd is good too, but if you want secure, let's use vsftpd only. Can't get anymore secure than that. Maybe that could be nice if the next ftp wizard in the control center could give choice between the different ftpd :) Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Mandrake 10] Replacing proftpd by pureftpd ?
Brook Humphrey wrote: I already use them and am the one who got them into mandrake. I do add to the rpm's occasionally (like when the ftp users weren't created properly because proftpd was changed to do this but not pureftpd) but don't maintain them persay but do use them exclusively. Also to note on my lan same verything only difference was pureftpd and proftpd pro would get 600 - 800k of bandwidth (1000k network) and pure would get 900 - 1100k average throughput. You know the only reason pure was maxing out was because my network was maxed out were as pro just chokes. Cheers Thank you for your input, I will look at the different servers. Vincent recommended vsftpd too, it seems very efficient and secure indeed. Eric
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
FACORAT Fabrice wrote: sndconfig was acting the same way ( play a sound and ask if you hear the sound correctly ) Yes, but that would be interesting to make it test both alsa and oss corresponding drivers. Eric
Re: [Cooker] dhcp, squid, bind, snort, ohphone
Florin wrote: Hi, Cooker is frozen so if you need one of the packages I maintain ... see http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~florin/www/RPMS/cooker have a nice day, Thanks Any chance they will go to the updates (I think about ohphone, which does not start for some people) in any future ? Eric
Re: showstoper? Re: [Cooker] Re: [Bug 4316] [console-tools] /sbin/setsysfont segfaults on boot
Tibor Pittich wrote:
damn! f*ck!
fixed one problem and there is nailed another:
look at /sbin/setfont:
if [ -n $SYSFONTACM ]; then
if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/console/consoletrans/$SYSFONTACM.acm* ]; then
ARGS=$ARGS --acm /etc/sysconfig/consoletrans/console/$SYSFONTACM.acm
else
ARGS=$ARGS --acm $SYSFONTACM
fi
fi
this is result from latest warly's fixing, as we can see in cvs:
$ cvs log setsysfont
[snip]
revision 1.9
date: 2003/09/22 12:57:16; author: warly; state: Exp; lines: +8 -8
psf and acm are in /etc/sysconfig/console/{consolefonts,consoletrans}, fix setsysfont.
$ cvs diff -r1.8 setsysfont
[snip]
- if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/console/$SYSFONTACM.acm* ]; then
- ARGS=$ARGS --acm /etc/sysconfig/console/$SYSFONTACM.acm
+ if [ -f /etc/sysconfig/console/consoletrans/$SYSFONTACM.acm* ]; then
+ ARGS=$ARGS --acm /etc/sysconfig/consoletrans/console/$SYSFONTACM.acm
there is directory mismatch in ARGS, then this setfont script don't set
console fonts too - result we still don't have localized console.
i think that this is showstoper!
Yes this is critical. Warly wrote this morning it was still time to
correct critical bugs, didn't he ?
Eric
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
Adam Williamson wrote: I think it's pretty hard to pick which should be the default. Even if it ought to be ALSA, it's by no means as clear-cut a decision as this particular user's experience indicates. Except if the installer offered the possibility to test audio at install : first with OSS driver, then with Alsa, asking the user to say if he hear a sound. WDYT ? It could be a nice feature for the 10.
Re: [Cooker] ALSA fix
Adam Williamson wrote: I don't like it. In most cases, it would be a needless extra step, and could well cause confusion. I think the current ploy of just trying to get the right default for each piece of hardware is correct. Why make it a supplementary step ? At the end of the install, there is table with all detected devices and for each one, a configuration button, despite the installer indicates a default setting. It is already the case for the graphics card and the network. For the sound card, you would press configure, then it would play a song, do you hear it ? yes - let's continue no - it tries the other driver. A user, even newbie, is not dumb, when things are explained the simple way : step 1 : OSS, do you hear sound ? step 2: Alsa : do you hear sound ? I think it is not confusing and on the contrary a good way to deal with particular hardware that could not be tested. And it would not be a supplementary step, just the new feature of the Configure button. Moreover, this could be integrated to soundrake : make it clearer about the two kinds of driver and offer a testing procedure for sound. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Re: Openoffice 1.1rc5
Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 David Walser wrote: Quick compilation? OO.o? LOL! Clearly Emmanuel hasn't compiled OO.o before ;-) AFAI remember, OO.o compilation was made overnight :)
[Cooker] urpmi.update -a always update sources this morning
Using the main and contrib club-internet mirrors, urpmi.update -a always retrieve synthesis.hdlist files, even if they have just been updated. A mirror problem or an urpmi bug ? Eric
Re: [Cooker] RC3 or not?
Actually, it is not because there would not be an RC3 that the bugs will be ignored... I have seen great improvement between RC2 and today's cooker, and this is reassuring. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] kernel-multimedia-2.4.22.9mm.1mdk-1-1mdk
Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-17 at 08:36, Austin wrote: On 09/17/2003 05:33:36 AM, Danny Tholen wrote: Name: kernel-multimedia-2.4.22.9mm.1mdk - fix for alsa usb m-audio (tmb) Mandrake 9.2 is a recoding studio once again! Sadly not, I think...haven't we been told contrib has been forked already? So unless someone makes an exception, this won't be in...:\ You meant frozen I guess. But I think that contrib has not the same restrictions, and this is a supplementary kernel, it could go in contrib, couldn't it ? Eric
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] kernel-multimedia-2.4.22.9mm.1mdk-1-1mdk
Adam Williamson wrote: Nope, I meant forked. As in this email from Olivier Blin: --- Subject: Re: [Cooker] ANN: Mandrake GDM themes based on bootsplashes Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:25:16 +0200 Thank you! I'd like to try and get it in before the contrib is forked for 9.2 stable. On the other hand, only two of the designs currently up (1 variation of each design) will need to go in. I'm afraid contrib is already forked :-/ I don't understand. What does that mean here (because I don't know haow this matches the usual fork meaning). Eric
Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] kernel-multimedia-2.4.22.9mm.1mdk-1-1mdk
Marcel Pol wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:24:32 +0100 Eric Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: Nope, I meant forked. As in this email from Olivier Blin: I don't understand. What does that mean here (because I don't know haow this matches the usual fork meaning). It means that at the time of the fork, Lenny made a copy of the cooker contrib tree to a 9.2 contrib tree. I assume he will handpick updates from cooker into 9.2 contrib. Allright, I understand. Thanks. Eric
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size
Teletchéa Stéphane wrote: Le mar 16/09/2003 à 11:59, Pascal Terjan a écrit : Leon Brooks wrote: But I think 650 (at least for CD1) should be used to be as compatible as possible. It's not always good to cater for the majority, some minorities have a big influence (stupid journalist reviewers...) I agree with this: 650MB for CD1, 700MB for the rest, buys us an extra 100MB without completely cutting off older equipment. Looks a nice compromise to get sure install work everywhere. I vote for this one. Yep, you should be a diplomat at WTO ... +1 Stef -- The problem is that stupid reviewers will say : I could install the first CD but the 2 others don't work. Eric
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size
Jan Ciger wrote: If there are CD-RWs availabe in 700MB size now (some people wrote, that they are), then this point is moot anyway. Jan Jan, I recommend you Infinity 10X 700MB CD-RW, they work very well for me. Eric
[Cooker] PSI does not use GPG keys with gnupg-1.2.3, but I have a patch !
I don't know if Alexander could see my bug report about PSI http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5655 PSI's openpgp support dosen't work with gnupg-1.2.3 because gnupg has changed the way it shows the keyrings with --with-colons option. I sent a patch to solve the problem and it just need recompilation. Maybe there is still time for that ? Eric
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size
Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warly wrote: | A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB | discs over 650 MB ones. | | WDYT? | Wasn't this exactly the other way round last time ? I remember, that 9.0 ~ shipped with 700MB ISOs and there were lots of complaints about it (people burned coasters and such). 9.1 had normal 650MB ISOs because of this. Jan - -- Jan Ciger VRlab EPFL Switzerland GPG public key : http://www.keyserver.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/ZaEtn11XseNj94gRAlSnAKDktxBfqqnIvS2H44nQIdQ9BCkUegCgoBBO h5BLmDDRVcj6t7zgxvO693o= =oImk -END PGP SIGNATURE- But the number of packages has increased since then. Eric
Re: [Cooker] 9.2 download CD size
Jan Ciger wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Warly wrote: | A poll on club shows that (now) most of the users prefers 700 MB | discs over 650 MB ones. | | WDYT? | I would rather prefer good old 650MB. I can write the images to a CD-RW and when a new version is out, just rewrite them without having old obsolete CDs with old versions laying around. Or does anybody know, where to get 700MB CD-RWs ? Jan - -- Jan Ciger VRlab EPFL Switzerland GPG public key : http://www.keyserver.net/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/ZaCdn11XseNj94gRAvFuAKC7zJr+Oxte2MGGBGrP1VwirbDW7QCaA74b i2iCXYpdi74tBgP1RBC3c1o= =ZuOl -END PGP SIGNATURE- I bought high speed 10X infinity CD-RW on an internet site, in UK. They are available now :) Eric
Re: [Cooker] Final in Septembre???
Victor Roetman wrote: On Friday 12 September 2003 00:09, Pierre Jarillon wrote: In fact RC2 is a beta 4. Please, make a RC3 ! Don't waste the good reputation of Mandrake with a lack of finition. Although I read this discussion and understand the issues involved, the fact is that Mandrake is already getting a bit of a bad reputation. Chinese was broken in the last release, so many people I know went to Redhat because Chinese support was very important for them, and they don't have the ability to fix a broken system as some of us do. It may be difficult to bring them back. I agree with Pierre, a little more time to fix and test would be very beneficial, not only for us as users and developers, but also for Mandrake's reputation. I think this release is very important for Mandrake. vic The problem is that if every Chinese user (or any other feature) wait for the last RC to begin to test if it works, it does not give a lot of time to fix the problems. You could have 5 or 6 RC, there will always be people who will try Mandrake when the final is released. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Final in Septembre???
Eric Fernandez wrote: Victor Roetman wrote: On Friday 12 September 2003 00:09, Pierre Jarillon wrote: In fact RC2 is a beta 4. Please, make a RC3 ! Don't waste the good reputation of Mandrake with a lack of finition. Although I read this discussion and understand the issues involved, the fact is that Mandrake is already getting a bit of a bad reputation. Chinese was broken in the last release, so many people I know went to Redhat because Chinese support was very important for them, and they don't have the ability to fix a broken system as some of us do. It may be difficult to bring them back. I agree with Pierre, a little more time to fix and test would be very beneficial, not only for us as users and developers, but also for Mandrake's reputation. I think this release is very important for Mandrake. vic The problem is that if every Chinese user (or any other feature) wait for the last RC to begin to test if it works, it does not give a lot of time to fix the problems. You could have 5 or 6 RC, there will always be people who will try Mandrake when the final is released. Eric PS : I meant every user of Chinese language (or any other feature) :) Eric
Re: [Cooker] Lisa is crazy !! Bug 5244
I just made a fresh install of RC2 in the university, and this problem does not occur. The mask is 255.255.255.0 here. Note that in console, stopping lisa with service lisa stop works once, not twice like on the machine I had problems. Hope this helps. Eric
[Cooker] Enlightenment is not installed with other desktops
At install, it is offered to install : KDE, Gnome, or Other Desktops. Decription of Other Desktops includes enlightenment, but E is not installed, it has to be installed separately. Eric
[Cooker] KDE bar is almost empty
After install, the KDE bar contains almost nothing : just the K, the desktop and the home buttons. Where are the other ones ? Shouldn't we have at least Konqueror, the help button, a text editor and KDE config panel ? Eric
[Cooker] Openoffice.org 1.1RC4 is out
Openoffice.org 1.1RC4 is out. Any chance to see it in the final ? Eric
Re: [Cooker] Bug in OpenOffice requires?
Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi! $ urpmq -r OpenOffice.org-l10n-en OpenOffice.org-l10n-en-1.1-0.rc3.2mdk $ urpmf --requires OpenOffice.org-l10n-en OpenOffice.org-l10n-en:OpenOffice.org[== 1.1] OpenOffice.org-l10n-en:locales-en OpenOffice.org-l10n-en:fonts-ttf-vera I thought that fonts-ttf-vera was only in contrib, and packages in main should not rely on packages in contrib. And I noticed, because currently I don't find font-ttf-vera anywhere (main, contrib, plf ;). I remotely recall having read something about font-ttf-vera but cannot find it in the mail archives. So, is this some kind of bug for which I should open a report, or should I get some more sleep? Bye, Benjamin. fonts-ttf-vera-1.10-2mdk.noarch.rpm is now in main. Cheers Eric
Re: [Cooker] [Bug 5366] [Installation] New: Fail to Install
Pierre Jarillon wrote: In case of bad ram : http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ allows to don't use the defectives addresses. Are you going to include the badram patch into the kernel ? That would be a very good idea. Eric
[Cooker] badram patch ?
Hi Is the badram patch going to be inserted in the kernel ? That could be interesting for people who cannot install because of defective ram sticks. Apparently it does not affect kernel performance or compatibility in any case (to be tested though). WDYT ? Eric
[Cooker] Kernel choice at install
What about asking the user which kernel he wants to install, during install process ? Now we have 11 kernels. Maybe it could be nice to ask (perhaps in expert mode only ?) : have you 1GB RAM or less, 4GB RAM, one or several processors and let the installer pick-up the good one (after confirmation) ? For some laptops, and with some Gigabyte motherboards, it may be necessary to install a kernel without APIC. Maybe it is too late for 9.2, but may it be considered for next version ? Eric
Re: [Cooker] urpmi --auto-select asks too many questions
Guillaume Rousse wrote: Ainsi parlait Liam Quin : urpmi now installs RPMs in batches - generally a good improvement. However, if I'm asked, say, package has bad signature, continue anyway? I might be asked that question 10 times. The actual problem comes from signature checking. That should be fixed first. Use --no-verify-rpm until it is fixed. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Initscripts: many services missing
Quel Qun wrote: As of tonight, many services are not started in runlevel 3 although they are listed as on by chkconfig. I had to start syslog, xinetd, network and xfs manually, and surely some others are missing. Since syslog is one of the missing in action, it is quite difficult to guess what is going on. initscripts-7.06-21mdk Also, I don't know if this is related, but the old 'bash: TMOUT: readonly variable' is back everytime I start a new terminal. the 22mdk version of initscripts corrects most of the problems introduced with 21mdk, but still does not shutdown the machine cleanly. Eric
Re: [Cooker] rpmdrake and drakgw doesn't works
_ cosmicflo wrote: Hello, We cannot add a new software source in rpmdrake (crash), drakgw crash at configuration. I've report bugs. When will they works ? How many time working version of this Mdk tools will be tested before 9.2 release ? Thanks _ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental Testing is currently in progress actually :) Update with cooker packages. This page : http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php allows you to configure your cooker sources. Eric
[Cooker] Feature enhancement : warning window if X configuration missed atinstall
I have noticed in some forums a very classical error made by newbies when they installed Mdk 9.1 : sometimes they miss the X configuration. After package installation, there is a table with all devices that need to be configured, especially, tv card, modem and most importantly the X server. Some newbies rush and miss that step, complaining they get a black screen at restart. Would it be possible to put a warning/confirmation window if configuration has not been properly done ? Eric
Re: [Cooker] Feature enhancement : warning window if X configurationmissed at install
Pixel wrote: well, if would nice and possible... but... it's already done!! it doesn't warn only if package XFree86 was not installed (which occurs for minimal installs) That is great :) sorry I did not test on the latest RC1. Thanks a lot for the people who have to help newbies every week with login as root and type XFdrake --expert :)) Eric
Re: [Cooker] How do I get the fixes?
Clive Dove wrote: I downloaded the iso image just after they hit the mirrors, ran md5sum, then installed , leaving my pre-existing /home partition alone I wound up with a KDE desktop on which desktop objects, panel objects and whole branches of the kde menu would disappear for no apparent reason. So I decided to find out what a new user would get. Started with totally clean partitions. Installed Mandrake, using the default install and choosing all the workstation options and KDE and Gnome and no server options. Got a primitive deskop with about 3 icons on it, a panel with a few icons scattered across it and an apparently complete kde menu. But as I tried to add applications such as Opera, mozplugger and java, the desktop became unstable, icons would disappear and whole branches of the kde menu would disappear, including the terminal window applications and the Mandrake Control Center. Erased 9.2 Reported no bugs as the desktop never got to the state wherein I could actually run applications on it. I assume that people have been fixing things. I would like to try again but I don't know how to get the fixes or, even better, how to get fixed iso images. I had a look at the Cooker RPM directory in the mirrors holding the iso images, but there are no parts of kde that are dated after the issue of RC1 so they can't be the upgrade sources. Hi You need to update your system to the latest cooker, regularly. See this guide on the Wiki : http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#URPMI_is_Your_Friend Eric
Re: [Cooker] Bootsplash submissions
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Eric Fernandez wrote: Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Hello all, Are you taking submissions for bootsplash designs? If so, I'd like to add mine. If not, I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time. http://bfcomputerconsulting.com/images/mandrake_splash.jpg I think it would look OK on a corporate desktop, but that's just my opinion. Any comments? Be gentle. ;-) Hi Brant I've posted your creation on the Mandrakeclub forum (which I moderate), with all your credits of course, to show it to the future Mandrake 9.2 users. Do you mind ? Cheers Zeb No, I don't mind. However, it will be changing soon because I'm working on some modifications of it based on feedback from this list. Just a heads-up. Allright, I'll update the thread then. I forgot to give you the address : http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=viewtopictopic=10541forum=1 Eric
Re: [Cooker] Updated Bootsplash Design
Timothy R. Butler wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, Thanks for the comments on the last bootsplash design. I've made it a slight bit less bright and also moved a color MDK star down over the starburst pattern. http://asisaid.com/images/mdkback.jpg As before the image is compressed and shrunk, meaning it isn't as good of quality as the real thing, blah, blah, blah. Thoughts? -Tim Hi Tim I've posted your creation on the Mandrakeclub forum (which I moderate), with all your credits of course, to show it to the future Mandrake 9.2 users. Do you mind ? http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=viewtopictopic=10541forum=1 Cheers Zeb
Re: [Cooker] Bootsplash submissions
Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Hello all, Are you taking submissions for bootsplash designs? If so, I'd like to add mine. If not, I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time. http://bfcomputerconsulting.com/images/mandrake_splash.jpg I think it would look OK on a corporate desktop, but that's just my opinion. Any comments? Be gentle. ;-) Hi Brant I've posted your creation on the Mandrakeclub forum (which I moderate), with all your credits of course, to show it to the future Mandrake 9.2 users. Do you mind ? Cheers Zeb
Re: [Cooker] DrakeConf missing from Install
Mdk 9.2 beta 2 Installed and DrakeConf was missing. I was able to urpmi drakerpm to get a gui package manager. -Joe Baker I confirm. Actually a lot of packages are unexpectadly missing : - most of the drakxtools, drakconf - userdrake, rpmdrake, menudrake - reiserfstools, so that when booting the init script cannot find fsck.reiserfsck to check the reiserfs partitions - kde-i18n-fr for a French install Eric
Re: [Cooker] hd.img without floppy ?
Pierre Jarillon wrote: This become an important question. More and more computer are shipped without a floppy. Not because of its price, but only because floppy is now useless or impossible (like VIA mini-ITX). I have a laptop without a floppy. Then I create a bootable image with mkisofs -b using hd.img, and I burn this image to a CD-RW. Eric
Re: [Cooker] New toolbar icons for OpenOffice
Brad Felmey wrote: On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 03:30, Eric Fernandez wrote: Waht about using the new toolbar icons for OOo ? They are available here : http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=7131 Example : http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?file=7131-3.png They would make OOo uniform with the crystal icon theme. These look awesome. Perhaps when 1.1 is done for 9.2 final we could have these as openoffice.org-themes-crystal or something. I think Mandrakesoft should integrate these icons in the main package, since it would personalize their OOo. If these icons are left in a contrib package, nobaody (I mean reviewers) would notice them. Just my 2c of euros. Eric
Re: [Cooker] force update of hdlist files after deleting the oldones
w9ya wrote: Been there , done that. As I dimly remember I removed the sources from the urmpi.cfg file using the appropriate tool (rpmdrake works o.k. for this I guess), and then added back the source using the urpmi.addmedia command. Best regards; Bob Finch On Sunday 10 August 2003 03:19 pm, Kim Schulz wrote: Hi I had a problem with my hdlist files after playing around with some proxy settings etc. while fetching the files. So I thought that I could just remove the broken files from /var/lib/urpmi and the do a urpmi.update -a but that does not work. How do I get these files back now ? man urpmi.update : -Fd options are the one you want (afair) Eric
Re: [Cooker] next version installing from iso
zika wrote: Will next version of Mandrake Linux support installing Linux itself from iso image? SO you do not have to burn iso's or extract files from them. It is already the case since several releases now (maybe as early as the 7). You just have to use the hd.img image to make a bootdisk and install iso images copied in a partition of your HD. Eric
