Re: [slim] Moose scan problem
On 23 April 2010 00:31, staresy staresy.49ufrb1271979...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to get moose to scan my music database (SS 7.5.1. The music is stored on an HP Mediasmart WHS machine, moose is running on a NW PC. I've opened up my firewall for 9092 and unbound the My SQL db but it still reports an error when trying to scan. Anything else to try - is the db stored somewher odd on the WHS, can I change moose to point at it? Any help gratefully received. Hi, Always tricky diagnosing db problems.. But.. Some thoughts: * after unbinding, make sure you've rebooted your server machine just to make sure mysql's restarted * make sure you've opened 9092 on the server pc, not the moose pc * check the mysql port is 9092 - some nas boxes use the mysql default of 3306, but WHS should be 9092 * try the 'guess database details'.. * try using root as the db usr * make sure you're using a numeric IP address in the Server tab Hope something there helps.. if you're still getting problems, send me a moose-log (misc tab) of hitting rescan in the options and i'll see if i can spot anything.. Oh, and how recent is your 7.5.1 ? Small chance they've tweaked the db schema and it's causing problems, although i usually get a deluge of emails when this happens, and havent yet.. :-) -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Invisible software player for PC - a simple HOWTO using squeezeslave and hstart
2009/6/17 tcutting tcutting.3txoyn1245257...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com: I currently run squeezeslave in the background using Moose to fire it up. Moose shows up in the system tray, but squeezeslave runs w/o any console window. I don't seem to have issues with squeezeslave crashing. I do, however, find this combination sometimes causes my computer to not want to shut down sometimes - select shutdown, and the system just doesn't. If I kill Moose and squeezeslave it will shutdown properly. My normal shutdown process currently is to manually exit Moose, which also closes squeezeslave, prior to excecuting shutdown. Does Moose always prevent the shutdown, or is it just when its running squeezeslave ? If the latter, does stopping squeezeslave in Moose still cause moose to stop the shutdown ? I'll see if I can sort this.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Softsqueeze!
2008/11/3 MeSue [EMAIL PROTECTED]: rbz5416;356258 Wrote: Have you looked at Moose? http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove/ But Moose is not a player, is it? What people are disappointed with is SqueezePlay as a player on the PC, so how does Moose solve that? If you grab the latest build of SqueezeSlave and point Moose at it, moose becomes a player.. There are command-line options in moose to fire up SqueezeSlave each time you fire up moose too.. Note: SqueezeSlave isnt SoftSqueeze.. It's native rather than java, so runs much better, etc.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone used Songbird?
7.5.1 is the latest windows binary.. http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=105169package_id=176494release_id=532275 If you're having disconnection/stalling issues, it's almost certainly fixable with a cmd switch.. Check out the --retry and --keepalive switches.. Actually there's a fairly lengthy thread over on developers which could prove handy: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37460 -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone used Songbird?
As it stands, the latest squeezeslave builds seem to work much more reliably than softsqueeze. A fair bit of work's been done to it recently so it syncs and reconnects properly.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just how many Dannii Minogue albums do you own?
2008/7/24 drs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Because I apparently own a lot. I also seem to own a lot of Ray Charles albums. Anyone have any ideas why I got so many incorrect album covers, and is there a good way to fix it? Thanks [image: http://www.ecp.cc/images/dannii.jpg] Ah yes, the Danni Minogue easter egg in Moose.. Actually, looks more like a bug than an easter egg.. Might be worth closing moose, deleting your 'thumbs' folder - usually alongside moose.exe - and then rescanning in moose. Not seen anything like this before - if that doesnt fix it, let me know.. Do you get same in the library view ? -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] If this thing could only manage music...
2008/6/13 Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Something like Moose, I haven't tried Moose for a while so perhaps Moose is what I'm looking for. FWIW, Moose's offline playlist editing still isn't quite there yet.. It can only really edit the currently playing playlist.. I do plan on adding proper offline support shortly though. I've been working on re-coding the way the current playlist is displayed, making the control a little more generic along the way.. This'll mean displaying and editing offline playlists should be much easier to implement.. Meanwhile, the more I procrastine, the better the CLI gets, so the more stuff it'll be able to do.. :-) -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Party mode or skin?
On 20/09/2007, ob_kook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to remember that Moose might be good for this kind of thing, but have never used it. Yup, Moose has a party mode. It works best with fullscreen mode and the library embedded in the now playing window. As well as the UI, you can use the command line paramaters to turn party mode and fullscreen mode on. The party mode's not 100% foolproof, but every little helps.. Suggestions/issues/ideas for improvements always welcome. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any reason slimserver doesn't automagically add albumart when browsing new folders?
On 28/07/07, egd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Herger;217570 Wrote: A known issue: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4631 Thanks Michael, it's a damned annoying known issue and seemingly one that isn't going to be addressed. Doing a full rescan is a royal PITA (scanning for updates seems to be a potluck process, sometimes it picks up all new artwork, sometimes it doesn't). Feel free to add a vote - i just did.. Always annoyed me (and quite a few moose users) too.. Trouble is I dont think it's that simple to fix.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best Audio Jukebox for Flac
On 01/07/07, miguelk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried Moose, and it does just what i'm looking for. Is there a way to get it to automatically launch softsqueeze when it starts, or does it have to be done manually? Currently it's got to be done manually, although it should be quite easy to make a .bat file that launches softsqueeze, then launches Moose. I'm about to add a few command-line options in Moose, so I'll see if I can add one for softsqueeze. Also, I've seen posts here about the subject of mass acquisition of missing artwork. Does anyone know of a method other than Album Art Aggregator, which doesn't work anymore? Moose can currently lookup the now playing album artwork on amazon. I'm planning to extend this at some point to run through the whole library. It may be a few months off yet though, and probably wont automatically write it back to the server.. In the meantime, check out Pat Farrell's excellent music utils: http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html I've also used this guy in the past: http://album-cover-art-downloader.en.softonic.com/ HTH, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Art?
Yup, as dwilliams01 says, you have to do a total clear and rescan for slimserver to pick up new coverart properly. A rescan on it's own isnt enough. In fact, if you play a newly added album before it's been through a clear and rescan, slimserver will pick up the coverart and display it, but it wont associate it with the underlying album. In Moose, if you use the mysql scanning option, it should pick up whatever slimserver's picked up. If you folder-scan it's slightly more limited, but should pick up cover.jpg. Having said that I've not really tested this much as I use folder.jpg in my libraries too.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Want to use laptop as a fancy remote control
On 22/05/07, amey01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding this, is there (or is anyone developing) a text-based interface for SB control. It doesn't necessarily have to be text-based, but something that can be controlled by the keyboard (instead of having to point and click) would be fantastic! I'd love to use an old laptop as a remote, but with SlimServer requiring mouse control it is just too cumbersome! How good would it be just to type half an artist's name, then hit F2 (say) to play. Have you tried Moose ? (http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove) It's possible to use most of its functions via tabbing, cursoring and enter keying.. In the preferences there's a setting for the enter key's behaviour. If you set it to 'play' and type a partial match into the library window's filter control, it'll start playing the most sensible match.. HTH, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album art in the squeezebox
On 12/04/07, bonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gave it a try on a few cover.jpg files and the result was surprisingly OK - well on a PC screen anyway. But I've no idea of how to integrate it into a screensaver. Maybe have cover.txt in each music directory which could be loaded to the screen. - think it would have to be 40x40 though. If you resize the coverart to 32x32 then reduce it to monochrome using something like a floyd-steinberg dither, you get ok results.. I had a tinker with this ages ago, but never really got anywhere other than stressed with perl.. :-) Actually I seem to remember 48x32 giving quite good results.. Some covers come out looking dreadful though.. There's a CPAN floyd-steinberg filter down here which uses gd, which I think SS uses these days.. http://search.cpan.org/~beatnik/Image-Filter-0.07/Floyd/Floyd.pm Does slimserver allow multi-levels of brightness per pixel yet for custom screen stuff ? -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox vs Sonos
On 26/03/07, Hamlet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the Moose link. I played with it a bit and so far am pleased with it. It seems perfect for a tablet such as this one or the pepper. Careful though - I dont think Moose will work on the viewsonic as it runs the cut-down Windows CE, which means it's basically a PDA. UMPCs like the Q1 or OQO run the fuller tablet edition versions of windows, which Moose and most windows apps work fine with.. Im hoping to make Moose's UI a bit more tablet/touch-screen friendly over the next few months too.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove http://groups.google.com/group/moosenews ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Clearing the DB
On 02/02/07, MatsLarsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is always the possibility to point the SS to an empty folder, and then do a full rescan. That would produce an empty library. I often fire up MySQL Administrator and drop all the tables manually when slimserver's not looking.. You know where you are then.. :-) -- - Dr Lovegrove Free Moose for all at: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Getting rid of slimserver
On 23/01/07, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bergek wrote: brunodenis;173329 Wrote: That would be a great idea. We already have Moose and SlimRemote, but they're hardly full featured or easy to use/install. Hint: Have a look at http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php guys. It's not that hard to make a nice install package. An installer for Moose would be a piece of cake to write, but all it would do would be to install the .net runtime and copy a new exe over the old one. The download would have to include the .net runtimes, so be quite chunky, and im not sure I can afford the extra bandwidth. It would be nice to be able to include the database connector, but I'm not sure I'd be allowed - i'll look into this. Also, automating the manual changes required to slimserver's .tt file isnt really possible. I'd love to see an album art downloader integrated into slimserver, but I'm willing to guess that it's copyright law that prevents such a feature. Might not be integrated in SS but definitely to Moose (.NET as well). I wrote code to do this a while back, but never got round to hooking it in properly. Also, it's tricky for Moose to write back to the slim folder structure (though not out of the question). It can write to its own 'thumbs' folder quite easily though, and a 'save as..' dialog for coverart would be pretty easy.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Getting rid of slimserver
On 24/01/07, brunodenis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my previous posts, I was talking about integrating harmony3 like features to Moose, not the automatic download. Moose has access to SS or the folder's structure if I remember well, it could therefore generate another display mode using the Harmony3 DLLs (if we could get the sources). Yes, Moose could do the coverflow stuff quite easily - it's more a matter of time than anything else.. Im hoping to add some more 'choosers' in the near future, and am currently adding some new modes to the cover-chooser.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Touch screen Media Layout
On 12/01/07, Sco Logic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has there been a version of a software player that has big buttons to be used with a touch screen interface? I have an ubundance of all in one touchscreen pc's(i sell retails systems) and I'm looking to have a system linked to slim server to play and select tracks. Moose hopefully will soon - im working on a pub-jukebox style fullscreen mode which should be ideal with touchscreens.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Introducing..... me!
On 05/01/07, JimC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To that end, I would absolutely love to hear from the community about what you think is great about Slim Devices/Squeezebox/Transporter and about what we can do to make them better. I plan to bring in additional resources to help expand the community here, as well as promote our third-party developers and plug-ins as a key value-add for our products. It would be great to hear what YOU see as how we can best implement that, as well. Hi Jim, welcome, etc.. One very simple thing I've often thought would be a great idea would be a dedicated forum for frontends.. There are loads of web-skins now, and an increasing number of software-based front-ends, so I guess there'd be traffic, and it might help ease the plugins forum traffic a touch. -- - Dr Lovegrove Grab Moose (windows frontend for Slimserver) at: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Vista Sideshow
On 31/12/06, messengerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've read that Vista includes a new technology called Sideshow which can feed simple imformation to a variety of small screens such as might be found on mobile phones. I wonder then if Sideshow might be used in conjunction with Slimserver to display album artwork perhaps on a digital picture frame in the same room as my Squeezebox. Wouldn't that be cool! Yes! I actually read through the sideshow docs a month or so back.. Should be really easy to add basic support to Moose (just need to upgrade to Vista.. Hmm..) -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Removing favorites?
On 30/11/06, grimholtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks! If you've got windows, the next version of Moose (0.50) will be able to do it too.. I've added favourites to the tree and you can move/delete/queue them via popup menus.. Just ironing out some other stuff before I release.. -- Dr Lovegrove Windows front end: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Party/Jukebox mode or Skin?
On 17/11/06, mattybain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Moose could do this very well, all that would need to be done is to have a party mode which would disable all the options (like FW RW and Pause) and only allow the browsing of the library and adding of tracks. Moose is a brilliant piece of software and all I use but it is windows only. Lets hope the good Dr is listening. Sure am.. A proper jukebox mode is in the pipeline.. Im currently doing a bit of restructuring to the library windows and things. After that's all sorted it should make adding a proper fullscreen jukebox-style selection system (and a couple of others) quite easy.. (famous last words).. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Cover art not showing with files on NAS
On 01/11/06, Ben Sandee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/06, radish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, I have the exact opposite experience. Album art is simply seamless and doesn't add any extra time for me. I wonder if something is wrong with your cache directory that causes the art to be resized every time it's requested? Have you tried 6.5.1 releases? Filed any bugs on this? I've noticed on my server (and in recent 6.5 builds) that if you do a rescan without wiping the db first (or if you discover newly added music via browse music folders) the coverart system falls to bits and generally returns the place-holder artwork for newly added files. I also had an interesting situation the other day where it was returning correct thumb.jpg's, but placeholders for cover.jpg's.. Guess the thumbs are cached.. Looks like there are a few issues to iron out with the new scanner still.. -- - Dr Lovegrove Free Moose for all at: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: FWD on Random Mix hiccups
On 18/10/06, sicoffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, interesting to know that MP3 might not solve the problem. No, it wont. The problem is with the SQL query which randommix uses. Essentially: SELECT * FROM tracks ORDER BY RAND() LIMIT 1 Behind the scenes this will fetch ALL the tracks, sort them randomly, then return the first track in the list. I just tried the query on my main server and it takes 8 seconds to complete (70k ish tracks).. There must be ways of speeding this up, at least for the simple non-filtering random cases. In fact, there seems to be a fair bit of discussion on the subject of speeding this up down: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/select.html -- - Dr Lovegrove Free Moose for all at: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: FWD on Random Mix hiccups
On 18/10/06, Dr Lovegrove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18/10/06, sicoffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, interesting to know that MP3 might not solve the problem. No, it wont. The problem is with the SQL query which randommix uses. Essentially: SELECT * FROM tracks ORDER BY RAND() LIMIT 1 Just had a bit more of a play.. Ok, so the original query is this, and it takes over 8s: SELECT me.id, me.url, me.content_type, me.title, me.titlesort, me.titlesearch, me.album, me.tracknum, me.timestamp, me.filesize, me.disc, me.thumb, me.remote, me.audio, me.audio_size, me.audio_offset, me.year, me.secs, me.cover, me.vbr_scale, me.bitrate, me.samplerate, me.samplesize, me.channels, me.block_alignment, me.endian, me.bpm, me.tagversion, me.drm, me.moodlogic_id, me.moodlogic_mixable, me.musicmagic_mixable, me.musicbrainz_id, me.playcount, me.lastplayed, me.lossless, me.lyrics, me.rating, me.replay_gain, me.replay_peak FROM tracks me LEFT JOIN genre_track genreTracks ON ( genreTracks.track = me.id ) WHERE ( audio = '1' AND genreTracks.genre IN ( '21', '26', '17', '22', '18', '30', '16', '23', '29', '25', '27', '28', '20', '24', '19', '31' ) AND ( ( lastPlayed IS NULL ) OR ( lastPlayed '1161171000' ) ) ) ORDER BY RAND() LIMIT 1 If I strip out all the columns and just get it to sort the tracks id's like this: SELECT me.id FROM tracks me LEFT JOIN genre_track genreTracks ON ( genreTracks.track = me.id ) WHERE ( audio = '1' AND genreTracks.genre IN ( '21', '26', '17', '22', '18', '30', '16', '23', '29', '25', '27', '28', '20', '24', '19', '31' ) AND ( ( lastPlayed IS NULL ) OR ( lastPlayed '1161171000' ) ) ) ORDER BY RAND() LIMIT 1 It now takes under a second, and you're left with the random track ID, which should be all it needs.. -- - Dr Lovegrove Free Moose for all at: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How would you like to browse your music ?
On 26/09/06, gusi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it would be useful to be able to combine searching and browsing. Specially in Jazz the artist name is not at as meaningful as in rock. Many artist name tags might be: Oscar Peterson Trio Oscar Peterson and Ben Webster Duke Ellington and Oscar Peterson etc etc It would then be useful to be able to browse the resultset of a search of artist names containing Oscar Peterson. I always thought an interesting plugin to write would be a 'related artist' search which searches for any of the words in the currently playing artist's artist/composer/band/etc and offers them as a list. You could maybe have a dictionary of common words to ignore too.. And sort the list by number of matching words.. -- - Dr Lovegrove Free Moose for all at: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MySQL with 6.5
On 22/09/06, MikeWynneDub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, As SlimServer 6.5 uses MySQL as its' database, I'm wondering if I downloaded MySQL Administrator or a similar tool could I interact with the SlimServer database? If so, what connection parameters etc. would be needed to browse the database. Yes, they work fine. If you're on the same machine, you can login as slimserver (or root) with no password. The default port's 9092 and the database is called 'slimserver'. If you're on a remote machine, you need to remove the bind-address from the my.tt file (server/MySQL folder) and restart mysqld.. -- - Dr Lovegrove Free Moose for all at: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Question for the Experts
On 12/09/06, Mike Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you be willing to share the commands in this bat file? That sounds like a good idea. I'm at work right now and my SS has apparently died at home so I'm SOL the rest of the day. Running from a batch file is pretty simple.. * Firstly, make sure you've got the latest ActivePerl installed from http://www.activestate.com/ * Shut down slimserver and make sure it's service is either 'manual' or 'disabled' in control panel-admin tools-services * Run your batch file. My main batch file's pretty basic. If slimserver crashes, it restarts it with lots more debugging turned on. I've got more 'starts' before the pause so if it's just a random crash it restarts ok.. The file E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt gets written with various dates and times.. E: cd E:\SlimServer\server echo - E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt echo Slimserver Started E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt DATE /T E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt TIME /T E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt start /B /WAIT perl slimserver.pl --d_server echo Slimserver Crashed E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt DATE /T E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt TIME /T E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt start E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt start /B /WAIT perl slimserver.pl --d_server --d_cli --d_plugin --d_source --d_remotestream --d_scan --d_artwork echo Slimserver Crashed again E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt DATE /T E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt TIME /T E:\SlimServer\server\crash.txt pause -- - Dr Lovegrove Free Moose for all at: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Question for the Experts
On 08/09/06, jeffluckett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you were to do a fresh install of Win2k3 server on a box dedicated to host only slimserver and MusicIP, how would you tweak it? It will also do some side-duty as a general purpose file-server... I run XP on my server box and the best thing I did was to install ActiveState's perl and run Slimserver in a command line window.. I tend to run it with the --d_server switch so I can see if it's not a happy bunny quite easily.. I run it from a .bat file too which re-invokes it up to 3 times if it crashes.. Also, turn off indexing, firewalls, screensavers, updates and all that fancy XP stuff that just eats up memory and CPU.. If you're not using 6.5 yet, it's worth doing that.. I'd look into more RAM possibly too as it's so cheap these days.. -- - Dr Lovegrove Free Moose for all at: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Interesting flash-based front end..
http://www.markfennell.com/flash/psp/ Might be an easy port to slimserver ? -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Transporter!
On 27/07/06, el payo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you port Moose to OSX... Does it work under VirtualPC ? Not got access to a mac, so never tried it.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Transporter!
On 25/07/06, el payo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case I'll order off the web, take the complimentary SB3 and 1. List it on eBay 2. ?? 3. Profit! Donated SB's always welcome this way - might be able to get the Zones feature working properly in Moose.. :-) -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Monitoring SB3 Playback on SlimServer Computer
On 19/05/06, fcm4711 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi cherryplinth If you're only interested in what is playing without the music also being streamed to SoftSqueeze you could also try the ShadowPlay plugin, which mirrors the display of your SB on SoftSqueeze. Not forgetting Moose too for simple display / playlist management stuff.. ;-) -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: 6.2.2. OK now! This is fun! NOT!
On 28/04/06, kdf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, just before it connects it starts all over again saying Press BRIGHTNESS to update firmware. It has been doing this now in a loop 6 times. This is special FWIW, I've had this happen to me quite a bit with 6.5 nightlies.. Half way through updating and the server crashes.. Often it's a simple case of removing the power lead from both my SB and my wireless access point.. This usually fixes things.. If it doesnt, I completely nuke my Slimserver folder and re-install.. I suspect this is related to the settings file getting junk in or something ? Not sure.. It's easier to toast the whole folder.. If that doesnt work I manually drop my DB tables.. - Dr Lovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: 6.2.2. OK now! This is fun! NOT!
On 28/04/06, tonymuffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Unplug the power from your router. [tonymuffin] What does unplugging my router have to do with any of this? There is no issue with the router and all 8 of my other computers. But you've tried doing it ? My (USR) router/access point occasionally gets put in state in which everything works normally apart from the slim stuff.. When it's in it's little state, 'press the brightness' is exactly what you see, and it fails as it's failing with yours.. Worth a go.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: 6.2.2. OK now! This is fun! NOT!
On 28/04/06, tonymuffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously you and a number of others are not reading this. No one has answered yet what unplugging a wireless router/access point has to do with the wired Squeezeboxes that do not even touch the wireless access point? Any bit of network gear on a network can potentially send/block random data and wreak havoc with devices connected anywhere on a network. It's probably also worth turning off all squeezeboxes except 1 wired one and getting that working first. Make sure there aren't any conflicting IP addresses on the network and you've only got 1 copy of slimserver running too.. Also, when turning stuff off, leave it turned off for a good 5 seconds before turning it back on.. Also delete any Phil Collins mp3s you've got on your server - that can cause untold damage.. ;-) -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Moose 0.25 now up
On 12/03/06, bgriffis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've installed Moose v0.26 on two of my computers now and am happy to report that it is working quite well for the most part. What a fantastic program! Anyone out there who is looking for a nice GUI front-end to Slim Server should try this out! Excellent, glad you like it.. :-) I did have one problem -- I'm trying to scan the Slim Server library from a *different* computer using the SQlite mode. Every time I do this Moose crashes! I worked around this by doing the folder mode. Ah, yes, sounds like the standard SQLite problem.. Trouble with SQLite is that each database only reliably supports one application at a time. When Slimserver is running, that's the application, so when Moose comes along and jumps in, it's just luck whether something happens. The way round this is either to stop slimserver whilst scanning, or to make a copy of the db file, and point Moose at that copy. Neither are ideal, but it's just the way SQLite is. Other ways round are to change your server to use MySql or, as you've found, the folder mode. Other things that are non critical but would be nice would be to have the option to be able to view all albums (currently you can only view all artists and then by clicking on an artist you can see their albums). If you type any character in the library filter control, then quickly delete that character so the control's empty, the album list will do a filter based on nothing - the result is that it shows all the artists on the left and all the albums on the right. I think this is the state it's in when you first open the window. It's not ideal though and Im hoping to add some more view modes shortly. It would also be nice to be able to right-click on songs in the library and choose Add/Insert/Play. Same goes for right-clicking on an artist or an album... The current layout of the library makes it very laborsome to click on a song way down at the bottom left of the screen and then go way up to the top right to add it to the play list. Minor things, but would be nice. Indeed, it does need popup menus.. If you double-click items it plays them without the need for clicking the buttons.. I think if you ctrl+click it appends too - I've not got moose to hand though, so cant check that. Hope that helps, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Moose 0.25 now up
On 09/03/06, Mark Lanctot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I decided to drink the Kool-Aid and tried Moose. Oh dear, you dont wanna do that.. Welcome on board though.. ;-) .NET 2.0 is a huge improvement. No impact on boot-up times and no annoying 'ASP .NET' user. Yeah, I was quite suprised at the difference it seems to make.. The only downside is Im going to need a faster machine to speed up MS's new development environment.. Shiny but slow.. And Moose? Wow! What a cool app! Fast, efficient, clean, uncluttered UI, bug-free. Cool, glad you like it.. Dont know about bug-free, but it's getting there.. :-) I have a few minor niggles: 1. Stop does not work. Pause does, but pressing the Stop button on the bottom right has no effect. Hmm, I'll check this out.. Those buttons just do the same as the ones on the remote (in theory).. Things keep changing on the server, so maybe something's broken.. 2. Changing players is not as intuitive or simple as other operations. I guess this has to be done by the radio button in preferences? Personally I'd prefer a simple button somewhere in the main UI. Something that would call up a drop-down list. Yes, currently it's a bit tucked away.. The original intention was to have a Now Playing window for each unit.. Then you could drag/drop playlists between them, etc.. I think a simple switcher - maybe just a submenu of players - might be the simplest/quickest solution in the short-term.. Hmmm, testing could be a problem here.. If SD fancy donating a few SB3's to the cause, dont be shy.. ;-) 3. I couldn't get the external tagger to work (Mp3tag). It errored out with a German dialog. I've seen this issue mentioned before, I just have to look for the solution. Ahh, just tried mp3tag.. Seems not to like spaces in its arguments.. Just fixed Moose to get round this, so should work in the next release.. 4. It waits a fairly long time for the server response when starting up. 10-15 seconds. No big deal, but I thought there was a problem when I first started it. 10-15 seconds seems pretty slow.. Which server version are you running ? With 6.5 nightlies and MySQL it takes roughly 2 seconds for Moose to appear and show the playlist and album-art on my machine here.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Moose 0.25 now up
On 09/03/06, Mark Lanctot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O yeah! So it uses SlimServer's database! Yup, seems to work well! Thanks. Yup.. BTW, if you're using SQLite, make sure you either stop slimserver briefly, or point Moose at a copy of the db file - SQLite only likes 1 program talking to it at a time.. If you dont, one in five times (ish) it seems to crash the server or just not fully populate the library.. Not a problem with MySql though.. About the only thing that's missing now is something with the functionality of the SlimServer random mix plugin. I see where you can add one random track at a time, but new tracks are not added automatically. There's a bit on the website about assigning the blank 'popcorn' button to launch random-mix.. Sadly random-mix and other plugins arent directly accessible to the CLI, so control is a little limited. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moose 0.25 now up
Dr. L, I miss the background. Are we going to get it back? Great work on the improvements. Ta, yup, i'll pop it back in the next version.. Any chance the icon pause setting could be remembered across sessions? I keep forgetting to turn it on, so it doesn't work, so my music is still blasting out when the I go to answer the phone... Ah heck, it's meant to remember the setting - there's even code.. I'll fix this.. Would it be possible to make the delete key delete the currently selected track in the playlist as it is a pain to have to go up to the menu every time. Also is it going to be possible to allow multiple selections. Yup, both of these should be in the next version.. Multi-selection deletion is currently working quite well.. Multi-selection drag needs a little more work I think.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Moose 0.25 now up
On 02/03/06, Dr Lovegrove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just uploaded a new version of my windows front-end Moose to the usual place: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove Ok, just put up a new build.. 0.26.. One big new feature and bunch of little fixes: * F5 refreshes playlist. * Optimised redraw requests in Now Playing. * Added 'Icon Pause' option in Tray menu to turn off the pause/play icon click feature. * Tracknums now displayed on tooltips and in playlist window. * Changes to some of the button text. and the big new feature.. * Queued CLI requests - previously Moose tried to be nice to Slimserver by sending out one CLI message at a time. Maintaining this was becoming a bit of a nightmare and there were some instances, particularly on startup, where often a couple would hit the server at the same time. On a slow server machine this would sometimes take it out. Not ideal. Enter the new Queued CLI Request feature which should hopefully fix this. It also paves the way for multiple operations on the playlist, adding album tracks in the correct order, and a whole host of other features which need multiple CLI messages... Now, it's a bit of a scary change, so I've added an option in the preferences dialog to turn it off.. Hopefully it wont break too much, and should speed some things up, particularly startup speeds.. Enjoy, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moose 0.25 now up
On 04/03/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may remember I reported: Well it seems to be resolved with v0.25 of Moose. It's been playing all morning with Moosee running and is still in sync. Thank you :) Good stuff.. Not sure what's changed to fix this though.. Might be a side effect of moving to .net 2.. Also the new UI puts much less strain on the client PC.. It's still firing messages at the server every second or so.. Did you decide not to progress getting the track number displayed on 'now playing' and the pop-up or have you just been too busy? Ah, oops, yup, meant to add that in.. Got a bit sidetracked with the other stuff.. If I may also make a suggestion re. 'now playing'it would be nice if F5 did a refresh so it's the same as other Windows programs. Good plan.. I'll pop that in too.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Could I make this work...
On 06/03/06, AaronS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..I'd like to have an icon on my (Win XP) desktop which, when I click on it, does nothing but tell my SB to move onto the next song. Hi Aaron, You should be able to do it via a browser favourite shortcut to: http://slimserver:9000/status.txt?p0=buttonp1=jump_fwd If you've got multiple players, you may need to extend it slightly.. Failing that, have you tried Moose ? When minimized to the tray it provides simple play/next control via the tray menu. Plus you get all the other benefits via a double-click.. Moose is down: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Moose 0.25 now up
On 03/03/06, mattybain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay it is just my cr*ppy ISP (bloody NTL), seems fine from work. Hmmm, interesting.. I've just duplicated the file online now which should fix things with NTL.. I'll try and remember to do this for the next version too.. It's now there as both Moose.zip and Moose025.zip -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Moose 0.25 now up
Just uploaded a new version of my windows front-end Moose to the usual place: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove It's been a month, so quite a few tweaks and changes: * Now supports MySQL databases. Works much better than the SQLite support, but obviously you need to have MySQL'd your slimserver for it to work (well worth it !) * I've moved Moose from .Net 1.1 to .Net 2.0.. Feels much quicker and internally things are a bit nicer too.. * Re-jigged the NowPlaying UI again - added a menubar, removed some buttons, tidied up the remaining buttons, added bitmaps, etc.. Oh, and cover-art now resizes as you resize the window. * Added an Amazon lookup feature which attempts to find the currently playing album. It's a bit work in progress, but seems to work quite well. * Added SoftSqueeze integration so you can fire up SoftSqueeze without hunting about on the website. * Fixed some directory scanning problems and a few other bits and pieces. Enjoy, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Moose 0.25 now up
On 03/03/06, mattybain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still no joy downloading 0.25 :( what am I doing wrong (apart from waking up at 4.30!!!) Strange.. Just checked Moose.zip and it does contain 0.25.. Are you using a proxy server or anything ? Might be worth clearing your internet temporary files if using IE ? Maybe if you do a Save As and call it something other than Moose.zip, then extract it ? I could email it if you're still having problems ? Did you enjoy the cake by the way? any pieces left? Blimey, didnt think people would read that.. ;-) -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Moose 0.25 now up
On 03/03/06, ezkcdude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Love the updates. However, my playlist is not showing up. The songs are playing in the correct order (which I can see on the SlimServer browser). Not sure what's going on. Edit: Well, it's working now. I hit the shuffle mode button a couple of times, and that must have done something. That sounds strange. Is it a recurring problem ? If so, does the Playlists-Refresh menu item sort it ? Which version of SS are you running ? -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Jukebox frontend
On 16/02/06, Kurt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the screens are pretty intuitive and easy to use, but everytime I've let people do it someone always comes along and mucks it up. There will be 10-20 songs that are in the playlist from previous people, and when the next person comes by and pick their selection, they do it by clicking Play and the whole list is destroyed. Just looking for a simple, somewhat fool proof screen to add songs to the playlist and that's it. I haven't tried Moose myself yet. Any Moose users out there? Wouldnt be too tricky to add a jukebox mode to Moose, in fact it was something I was thinking about.. Fullscreen window with two controls: a list of album artwork for all artists to the left, and a list of tracks for the selected album to the right.. Some buttons, some Now playing information and some secret key shortcut to swap back to the normal UI.. I'll keep you posted.. As it is, Moose's library window is pretty simple to use in a party environment, although wouldnt solve your 'people hitting play' problems.. Worth giving it a spin though, it's free.. :-) -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: HELP Moose 0.22
On 12/02/06, foreina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm having the same issue, i.e., not able to play files when rescanning folders (in my case via a USB external drive). Hi Foreina, Should be working fine now.. Might be a settings thing? Send me a screen grab (or list) of your moose options off-list.. A log-file might also be handy.. My email's on the site.. Thanks, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 10/02/06, 0xdeadbeef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The redraw obviously got much faster. If other windows are moved above Moose, this looks pretty ok now. However when moving the Moose window it still feels a little jerky and sluggish. As if it was completely redrawn at certain times while moving and this would hinder Windows from moving the window for some tenth of a second. Strange though: can't remember to have seen this in any other application up to now. Yeah, currently it updates the whole now playing window on a timer, which it doesnt really need to do.. I've recoded things with this in mind though, so it should be quite simple to implement clipping regions and things which will seriously help, and speed it all up even more.. BTW, last night I got the MySQL scanning code working.. Dont know if any Moose-ers are using MySQL though, so might hold off releasing it for a bit ? Also, the maximize issue.. Seems that forms without the titlebars style (WS_CAPTION) maximize to the full screen, rather than the usual area.. Guess this is either a bug in .net 1.1 or a strange design decision by the powers that be.. Either way, it's going to be awkward to do a normal maximize, so maybe if I just rename the feature full-screen ? Actually, I could add a 'resize to maximized size' kind of option.. Maybe this would be the answer.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 03/02/06, bossanova808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Doc I can't definitively narrow down the slow down issues - it seems to happen on a regular basis though, say avery few mins, perhaps when you are polling the server? The minimise to tray icon definitely has some bugs in that it sometimes disappears, flickers regularly etc, so I'd look there too. Yup, it seems to be caused by the '.net flicker-free redrawing' fighting with the 'dr lovegrove flicker-free redrawing' on XP.. Im going to change the way it updates and redraws, which'll hopefully help.. Im also going to move to .net 2.0 at some point, which'll help things a bit.. One question - often when adding albums (but not always) the tracks all get added, but in the wrong order - any idea why that could be?? Currently the way it adds an album is to add the album itself, rather than the tracks (so it's really a server issue).. Plan is to add the tracks one-by-one, which should sort this.. Trouble is if I fire a load of messages at the server, it just falls over in a heap, so I need to queue them my end.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Moose 0.21
On 03/02/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: il.com From: Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com How does the Fishbone skin do it? When I add an album through there it is played in track order. Im suspecting the problem's with adding the album's path, rather than database ID (but can't repeat the problem myself).. If you add the problem album via 'browse folders' and 'browse albums' on the web ui, does it do different things in each case, or do they both work ok ? -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Moose 0.21
On 26/01/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: com I run Moose on a separate machine to SlimServer. Moose still occasionally kills SlimServer for me as well and I'm pointing it at a copy of the db not the one used by SlimServer. It's not constant but if it happens it's generally when I start Moose. If I get over that hurdle Moose and SlimServer generally play happily together. I've also noticed that rebooting the machine running Moose kills SlimServer as well. I haven't had a chance to confirm that yet (I should have time tomorrow) but it's happened on a couple of occasions. Be great to have a log of it doing this.. Guess the way to do it would be to give moose wrong server settings, restart it, turn on logging then set the server settings to the correct ones.. Im pretty sure it'll be due to slimserver getting a multiple CLI messages in a short space of time, but it would be handy to see.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 26/01/06, Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Load button will open a window containing all the playlists the server knows about. Does this only work with SQLite? I have my playlist files in the same folder as my audio files, but Moose is not picking them up on a rescan. 'fraid so.. Actually it wouldnt be too tricky to add to folder scan, but I was wondering if the whole playlist aquisation might be better handled via the CLI, so if you saved new playlists, they'd appear without a rescan, etc.. I actually spotted this flaw the other night as I've switched back to folder scanning after I upgraded my server to MySQL.. Watch this space i guess.. ;-) -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 26/01/06, bossanova808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, the flickery loop occurs when playing just a single album...not too often but definitely conisistently. I'll see if I can narrow down what triggers it but it ges very slow, sluggish and re-draws multiple times. Aye, if you can narrow it down it would be seriously handy.. From 0.22 to 0.23 I changed the redraw code quite a bit and it seemed to sort the occasional flicker and speed problems I was having on one of my machines.. Additionally in 0.23, if you set the 'background mode' setting to 'flat', it doesnt use a cached bitmap for the library window background, and it reduces the number of transparent brushes used in the now playing window.. BUT - it's great overall and none of the issues are by any stretch show stoppers!! Yeah, be nice to get the redraw as zippy as possible though.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 25/01/06, bossanova808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, after extended use, this one is defintiely much improved in terms of performance, although it still occasionally causes some general sluggishness (mainly with the library window open) and sometimes the 'Now Playing' window gets itself into a flickery loop. Flickery Loop ? Not seen this for a while.. Is it related to long (50 item) playlists ? After a re-scan it seems to be in a state of getting ALL album art for all files as no artist is selected, think this isn't a great idea. Yes, when no artist is selected (or if you type something, then delete it in the search edit-control) it'll display all albums in your collection. It should only be requesting the artwork for the currently displayed albums though, so at most 15 or so albums. Also these first 15 are likely to have been requested before, so should be cached in the thumbs folder.. Is this not what you're seeing ? Could be a bug if not.. I am also getting regular 'db is locked' messages the first time I try and scan, then it goes through fine. And I still get the odd slimserver crash for inexplicable and not consistently repeatable reasons when using moose (usually just after a re-scan). Ah, these sound related to SQLite databases being single user only. If you copy the db file to another file, then scan that file instead of the live one, it should work fine. An alternative is to stop slimserver whilst rescanning. This should all be sorted with MySQL.. But overall it is working very well - multi selection in the play list window will be great, good luck with getting that going properly, I remember well when I used to be a programmer that could be tricky. Good, good.. Yeah, should be sorted soon.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: When should I switch from SQLLite to MySQL?
On 24/01/06, max. spicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well prompted! I put mysql on my server last week in order to serve another application. Your post prompted me to take the obvious step of making SlimServer use it. Following the wiki entry, it took me an obsolute maximum of 5 minutes to set up. I switched yesterday as well, and am pretty impressed with performance as well.. No more pauses in randommix - yay ! :-) Few minor gripes though: Be nice to have better instructions on how to install MySQL itself.. Took me a while to suss that I had to login as root, create a new user, create the database, grant root permissions to use the database, grant the new user permissions, etc.. This was all with 4.1.. Maybe it's better with 5 ? Slimserver 6.5 kept falling over on startup as it turns out it needed some CPAN stuff adding.. Oh, also I had to upgrade my version of perl for 6.5 - kept giving a popup about some kind of memory thing not being supported.. Latest activestate build did the trick.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 24/01/06, Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This version is much more responsive than previous. One question: is there a way to access playlists through Moose? Excellent, can't be having slowness.. :-) Playlists can be loaded, saved, refreshed, cleared, and edited via the now playing window. If you enlarge the window, you should get 5 smaller buttons on the left - refresh, save, load, remove, clear.. The Load button will open a window containing all the playlists the server knows about. Sadly the list is only built when doing a 'Rescan DB', so any newly saved playlists wont appear until the next rescan. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 24/01/06, Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent! Does the load button only deal with playlists? If so, it seems like it would be more intuitive to name it playlist. Yes, those buttons are only really a temporary feature until I sort the menus out. I wanted to get multiple item editing going first though, but it's proving a bit of a pig.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 22/01/06, Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also find the program to be highly cpu-intensive when the library window is open. Spent some time over the weekend looking at the CPU issues and as a result I've had a fiddle with the thumbnail list in the library window. Now if Moose requests a thumbnail and slimserver returns 'no thumbnail', Moose will blacklist the album for the current session (so if you add art to the server, you'll need to re-run moose for it to be picked up). I think this is what was causing the problem, but could be wrong. There was also an issue with dodgy characters in filenames, which I've fixed too. It might be a good idea to clear your thumbnails folder before running this new version, although I've kept support in for reading the old filenames. So.. Just uploaded 0.23.. Usual place.. Let me know if there are still CPU problems.. A few other new bits: * Support for Media Keys (thanks to KevinW for help testing this as my keyboard doesnt have them). * Tray icon is now always visible. * When the server's rescanning it now says 'rescanning' in the mode button. * Added green for play and red for pause/stop to mode button. * Buttons have a flat background again. * Partially addressed some of the redraw/flicker problems. * Flat redraw mode now slightly more efficient -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 23/01/06, Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Lovegrove Wrote: It might be a good idea to clear your thumbnails folder before running this new version, although I've kept support in for reading the old filenames. How do I clear the thumbnails folder? The thumbnail folder is specified in the Moose options window. It defaults to 'thumbs', so there should be a 'thumbs' folder alongside Moose.exe. Moose uses this folder to cache resized versions of your SS artwork. There's no indexing, so it's safe to delete individual files, or the whole folder. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 19/01/06, Mark Lanctot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question for the good Doctor: I've always wondered but never asked...does SlimServer need to be running in order for Moose to work? i.e. is Moose just a SS front end or is it an alternate server? Yup, it's mainly a front-end for SS, so ideally SS needs to be running. However.. You can view the contents of your library and launch external apps like winamp to play the files.. The now playing window is heavily tied to SS though.. The only think stopping me trying it out is .NET. Last time I put it on my system I found it pretty invasive - it added 15 seconds to my boot time and created another user login, preventing automatic login. Indeed, Moose currently uses .NET 1.1, which is much more efficient than the original 1.0.. I'm thinking of moving to .NET 2.0 at some point which should help performance a bit more.. I've not noticed it slowing windows startup down too much, but I tend not to shutdown that often.. You can always uninstall it if it does.. :-) -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 19/01/06, Philip Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems to be working, to some degree. I wasn't playing anything the previous time I hovered over the tray icon, so it was only reporting Moose 0.21, or something like that. If I actually play something, it reports the playing track on the tray icon hover text. However, if I then stop the music and clear the playlist, it still reports the track. Ah, yes, well spotted.. I should check the playmode and say paused or something.. A more major problem that I am having though is that the CPU goes through the roof when I have the window open, espcially if the window is overlapping others and I drag the window around. Yes, I've noticed this on a couple of machines.. I think it's somehow linked to the graphics card and the transpareny stuff in GDI+.. I think this is partially responsible for the flicker problems with some machines too.. I may be wrong.. The bitmap blitting and button redraw code isnt terribly efficient yet either.. Does setting the 'background' setting to 'flat' help things at all ? Also, does it 'go through the roof' if you've just got the library window open ? -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Moose 0.21
On 20/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Lovegrove wrote: ..and when I found that I understood why trying to find something in any application (CTRL-F) was skipping to the next track! How about adding support for media-capable keyboards so when I hit the 'next track' keyboard button for example it's actioned in SlimServer? Yes, it would be good.. I dont have media buttons on any of my keyboards though.. Which media-capable keyboard do you have ? Anybody know if there are any standards on media buttons ? I'm guessing logitech do some kind of SDK or something ? -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announce: Moose 0.21
On 20/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Lovegrove wrote: I'm using a Microsoft one on this machine but SWMBO uses a Logitech keyboard with similar facilities. They both 'just work' on Windows so I assume there's a standard. Ah, think i've sussed it.. No way to test it though.. Try this build: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove/Moose22a.zip There's a 'MediaKeys' entry on the tray menu.. Ticking it should/might mean Moose responds to media buttons which send the standard WM_APPCOMMAND messages.. I suspect both keyboards do.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] HELP Moose 0.22
On 20/01/06, gandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Almost there. I have slimserver running on the same machine as moose. It connects to my music database on \\tera1\share\itunes3. I can do a folder scan and get all my albums nicely displayed my moose however when slimserver trys to play what ive selected in Moose then i get a problem cant open file message. If i select the same file via slimserver it plays - it uses the same music data base obiously though it was selected to use itunes - dunno if that makes a difference. Any suggestions because in all other respects i love the program and it seems to have found more of my database more quickly than anything else... Hi Graham, Sounds like a paths thing. Send me a log (see website) off-list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) of when you try to play a file and we'll work through it.. The other way to fix it would be to use the SQLite scanner rather than the folder scanner.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 18/01/06, Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have entered the path to Tag Rename in the options window: C:\Program Files\TagRename. However, this just takes me to the folder where the program is located. It does not actually launch the program. I also tried entering TagRename.exe and TagRename.exe, and neither of these launches the program, either. What am I doing wrong? Hi Kyle, To get tagrename working you need the full path with the exe included, so, C:\Program Files\TagRename\TagRename.exe Moose just does the same as the Start Menu-Run dialog, so if it works in there, it should work in Moose. Hope that helps, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 18/01/06, Philip Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A nice way of doing this that I like in other applications is to make the single-click and double-click on the tray icon configurable. Have a pop-up menu via right-click, but the user can set the default action for single-click and double-click from the list of possible menu options (the default single-click option would be displayed in bold on the right-click menu). Last night I had a play with the whole single/doubleclick stuff.. Seems the standard MS NotifyIcon stuff doesnt distinguish between single and double clicks properly.. When I double-click I get two single-clicks and a double-click.. So.. The music pauses / unpauses before displaying the window.. Might have to do a bit of work here.. But, yeah, like the idea of it being configurable.. There are middle-button clicks to play with too, so it could do all sorts of stuff.. Would it be possibe to see the currently playing track details as hover text on the icon too? As Kyle said, should be doing this already ? Let me know if there's a problem.. It's only a standard tooltip at the moment, nothing too fancy. There's a limit of 64 characters too, so if you've got long song titles, it may chop the artist off.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 18/01/06, Geoff B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/18/06, Dr Lovegrove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sounds like this differs from the standard SlimServer behaviour. Yes, but this is all based on Moose's own local thumbnail cache as opposed to the server's stuff.. Generally it should all work transparently.. Think I might have over-complicated things by explaining stuff.. ;-) Or is this handled by your comment: If none of these are found, it asks the server for the file: Yes.. If there are no locally Moose-cached thumbnails, it just asks slimserver for the album art and then caches them for next time. So.. if slimserver's not searching for artwork, Moose probably wont display any.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
Ok, just uploaded version 0.22 to: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove * Added support for Mediaplayer-style global key shortcuts (option on tray menu). * Changed player MAC controls to comboboxes with connected players in. * Single-clicking tray icon alternates between playing/paused. * Double-clicking tray icon shows now playing window. * Added new control entries with ticks to tray menu. * Remembers minimised to tray status * Remembers playlist column sizes * Remembers global key shortcut status * Fixed a minor login bug if the server went away and came back.. Enjoy, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Moose 0.21
On 18/01/06, bossanova808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Doc Good work as always - the minimise to tray is handy (although its the only app I have in there that needs only one click to maximise again - maybe you want to change that to the classic double click?). Hmmm - Would be great to have one click access to a pause feature (while minimised) as an option (for answering the phone!). Good point, and I like the pause idea.. I was going to put basic controls on a submenu of the tray menu too, and maybe an option to turn global media player keystrokes on and off.. I'll see how it goes.. Now, about cover art - how does this actually work? I had it working fine when I was scanning the files, but now I am scanning the db and it has stopped working. I do not have slimserver scan for artwork as I'm running it on a NAS, but I can change that if necessary, however I didn't think Moose needed that? I presumed it went and got the thumbnails directly. Album art.. I presume you mean for the library rather than the now playing cover, which just (as previously) grabs the image from the url: http://servermusic/current/thumb.jpg?player id So the library album art... Firstly it looks at the 'thumbnails' setting in the options dialog. If this is set to an empty string, it doesnt display thumbnails in the library window. If this is set to a valid folder, it looks in the folder for a file named: thumbnails folder\artist - album - 100.jpg, thumbnails folder\artist - album, thumbnails folder\artist - album.jpg, thumbnails folder\artist\album\folder.jpg, thumbnails folder\artist\album\thumb.jpg, thumbnails folder\artist\album\cover.jpg, If none of these are found, it asks the server for the file: http://sServer/music/AlbumArtworkID/cover.jpg This should be the same image as displayed on the artwork view webpages I think.. This'll be where the server thumbnail settings come in and you'll probably need to be scanning for artwork, etc.. Anyhow, if it finds an image, and it's bigger than 100x100, it does a bicubic resize down to 100x100 and saves the thumbnail as: thumbnails folder\artist - album - 100.jpg If it finds an image and it's already 100x100 or less, it saves it as: thumbnails folder\artist - album (note the lack of extension - this is so it works with pngs and stuff..) HTH, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Announce: Moose 0.21
Just uploaded a new version of Moose to the usual place (http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove) Nothing too outstanding this time.. Decided not to include some of the newer stuff I've been working on as it's still a bit flakey, so this is more of an interim release I guess.. New features: * Minimise to Tray support * Minimise to Tray icon tooltip * Player status button background now red when rescanning * Better error handling for library location problems * New About dialog * Optimised redraw code and fixed button resource leaks Enjoy.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Random Mix Genre Extended Character Bug
On 12/01/06, jonheal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some extended characters in my genres -- curly apostrophes and the like. In the Browse Genres view, they render fine. In the Random Mix Genre Selector view, not so nice. On the subject of RandomMix, is there any way to turn it off via the CLI ? In Moose I queue new music via 'playlistcontrol', but if the player's in RandomMix mode, it'll queue the new music, then carry on adding random songs to the end of the new playlist as it plays.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Random Mix Genre Extended Character Bug
On 12/01/06, max. spicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Random mix will stop if you replace the current playlist. If you just add to the playlist, random mix will keep going. Indeed, although if I do a playlistcontrol cmd:load, which replaces the playlist via CLI, it doesnt seem to stop it.. Pretty simple bug to fix I guess.. You can specifically stop the mix via the player and web ui, but I don't know if you can do this via the cli (probably not). No, although I could map a hidden button I guess.. Actually that would be a great way of solving the CLI - plugin problems - dynamic button mapping via the CLI.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moose Firewall Settings
On 12/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What firewall settings does Moose need? e.g. which ports need to be open for outward and inward traffic on client and server? Talks to the CLI via TCP 9090 and grabs thumbnails via TCP 9000.. I've got 3483 open too, but I think that's for SS command traffic ? Bit worrying that it toasts the server.. Moose turns listen on, so maybe if the messages cant get back there's a problem.. Hmmm.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Random Mix Genre Extended Character Bug
On 12/01/06, max. spicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at the random mix code (around line 563) you'll see that it has a specific list of commands that it watches out for. If it sees one of these commands, it stops the mix. Run slimserver with d_plugins and watch out in the log for what command random mix receives in your case (it will say RandomPlay: received command Providing this command doesn't conflict with any other situations where stopping would be inappropriate, this command can just be added to the list. Please post the results here as I'm curious to know which command I missed! Ah, right, yup: 2006-01-12 19:19:37.0261 Matched Format: mp3 Type: mp3 Command: - 2006-01-12 19:19:37.0285 openSong: this is an mp3 file: file:///F:/mp3s/slim2/S/ Sonic%20Boom/Spectrum/01%20-%20Help%20Me%20Please.mp3 2006-01-12 19:19:37.0326 file type: mp3 format: mp3 inrate: 258 maxRate: 0 2006-01-12 19:19:37.0348 command: - 2006-01-12 19:19:37.0371 openSong: opening file F:\mp3s\slim2\S\Sonic Boom\Spectrum\01 - Help Me Please.mp3 2006-01-12 19:19:37.0678 seeking in 1833 into F:\mp3s\slim2\S\Sonic Boom\Spectrum\01 - Help Me Please.mp3 2006-01-12 19:19:37.0723 Streaming with format: mp3 2006-01-12 19:19:37.2656 RandomPlay: received command open file:///F:/mp3s/slim2/S/Sonic%20Boom/Spectrum/01%20-%20Help%20Me%20Please.mp3 2006-01-12 19:19:37.2699 RandomPlay: while in mode: track, from Downstairs player 2006-01-12 19:19:37.2747 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx New play mode: play 2006-01-12 19:19:37.2863 xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx: Current playmode: play 2006-01-12 19:19:37.2890 RandomPlay: received command playlistcontrol cmd:load album_id:449 artist_id:1769 count:7 2006-01-12 19:19:37.3075 RandomPlay: while in mode: track, from Downstairs player 2006-01-12 19:19:37. We need to send 0 seconds of silence... 2006-01-12 19:19:37.3357 sending 0 bytes of silence 2006-01-12 19:19:37.8379 Got a track starting event 2006-01-12 19:19:37.8404 Song 0 has now started playing 2006-01-12 19:19:37.8432 RandomPlay: received command newsong 2006-01-12 19:19:37.8458 RandomPlay: while in mode: track, from Downstairs player 2006-01-12 19:19:37.8499 RandomPlay: new song detected (0) 2006-01-12 19:19:37.8524 RandomPlay: playRandom called with type track 2006-01-12 19:19:37.8547 RandomPlay: 6 songs remaining, songIndex = 0 2006-01-12 19:19:37.9631 RandomPlay: Starting random selection of 3 items for ty pe: track -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moose: Queueing an Album
On 10/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I couldn't see this reported anywhere so...When adding an album to the playlist via Moose or playing it now by double-clicking it queues the tracks in track name collating sequence not in track number sequence. Ah, not noticed that, but I guess it makes sense.. Moose queues an album via a single CLI playlistcontrol command. As far as I can tell, there's no way of specifying an order here. Perhaps there's a slimserver option tucked away somewhere ? Not sure.. On the subject of adding albums though I'll shortly be re-coding Moose a bit to add each album track, one-by-one, rather than the whole album.. Doing this would fix quite a few problems: * it could use file-paths rather than ID's, so not being totally in-sync with the ss db wouldnt matter so much.. * if an album's in flac and mp3, you could just make it add the flac files, etc.. * custom track orders Other than extra traffic, I cant think of any downsides at the moment.. I may as well add a couple of requests while I'm here :) May we have track number added to the /now playing/ screen? Good idea.. Should be in the next release.. If I modify the width of the columns in /Now Playing/ it forgets my changes after I've closed and re-opened Moose. It would be nice if it remembered my changes. I'll pop that on the list.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moose - Awaiting server response
On 09/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, there may be a problem with that plan. If Moose is already running neither SoftSqueeze nor Squeezeboxes can find SlimServer when they are started. If Moose is stated afterwards there are no problems. Is Moose 'blocking' something SS and SB need to get at? Not noticed this - I'll check it out.. Moose sends out logon messages every second or so if it's become disconnected.. Maybe if SS gets a logon whilst starting up, something bad happens ? Not sure.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moose - Awaiting server response
On 07/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking for a way to look at what's in my SlimServer db and Moose (v.020) seems just the ticket...if I could get it working! I suspect I've done something daft. When I load the program it sits there 'Awaiting server response'. If I open the Library page the display at the bottom says 'Connected to server.. logging in.. please wait'. Local details: This is on Win XP Pro SP2, SlimServer is sitting on another machine and there's no security on it so username and password are blank, clicking the browser button brings up my SlimServer web page correctly, server IP contains the same IP as the server url, CLI port is at the default 9090 (I've no idea how to check it on SlimServer so I assume it's OK, I tried turning off the SP2 firewall and that didn't make any difference... I don't know what else I can tell you. Any ideas? Excluding firewall issues, it could be an invalid setting in the options page. The value in Server IP should just be a numeric IP address of the form: xxx.xxx.x.xx (no https or port numbers, etc) CLI Port should just be 9090 And Username / Password should both be blank (no spaces, etc).. They're the only settings which would cause this I think. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Moose - Awaiting server response
On 08/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dr Lovegrove wrote: Or it could be that the seat to keyboard interface is an idiot! I suspect the fact that it is now working was somehow facilitated by me, somewhat belatedly, disabling the firewall from both machines rather than just one! Sorry. Ah, good stuff.. Gotta love firewalls.. :-) Moose is rather a nice and useful of piece of software - thank you. Thanks, you're welcome.. May I make a suggestion? I'd like to keep this running all of the time so if it sat in the system tray when minimised (perhaps defaulting to minimise to system tray when I accidentally hit close!) and, when I put my mouse pointer over the Moose system tray icon, it displayed the details of the currently playing tracks for the selected player that would be rather excellent! Well, scarily, I spent a bit of time this afternoon implementing a tray icon. Seems to be working quite well, so expect it in the next release.. If you did that perhaps the RMB button on the system tray icon could contain 'now playing, library and exit? Yup - currently trying to get the tooltip to display the current playing song.. I think I may have a minor bug. The selected player is currently playing Alien Afternoon by Genesis from Calling All Stations. Moose is showing the filename under Track (which may be WAD), Artist is shown as 'G' and Album is showing as 'Genesis'. The display is similar for any track it plays. The Slimserver web page is showing 'Alien Afternoon by Genersis from Calling all Stations'. Yes, there are two display modes - paths and tags. In paths mode it assumes the parent folder to the currently playing track is the album name, and the parent to that is the artist. If this isnt how you have your music arranged, click on the 'Viewing:Paths' button at the bottom and it'll show you the tags instead. I dont think it remembers which mode it's in for next time yet though.. NB: It also toggles these two modes when you click anywhere on the now playing background. I should probably disable this now.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Backing Up the Slimserver Database
On 08/01/06, Kevin Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Be nice if Slimserver contained an option to backup the database to a specified directory at a specified time) Be pretty handy for Moose too as pointing it at the 'live' db file causes all sorts of grief.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 04/01/06, Yannzola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so... maybe the good doctor could solve this keyboard button dilemna... I posted this awhile back... http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2280 but the feature request recieved very little traction (too Windows-centric, I guess). Essentially, I'd love to be able to control my slimsever via the standard PC media key shortcuts decsribed in detail here: http://tinyurl.com/cwwxn Is this even feasible? As in CTRL+P, etc ? Yeah, that shouldnt be too tricky.. Moose would need to be the selected app though.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Volume goes up skipping forward in Moose
On 02/01/06, bossanova808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess it helps if it is a big that is recognised and going to be fixed! I suppose this bug is a reference to the same thing: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2289 Well spotted.. A new vote has just been added.. ;-) Actually, it would be great if this was fixed for 6.5.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Volume goes up skipping forward in Moose
Yeah, I've noticed this too.. It's not new, and seems to be a server bug with setting the song position via the CLI 'time' command. Reproducable via telnetting.. HTH, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 14/12/05, 0xdeadbeef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DrawText: Time 216, 3, 36 / 2663008, -2147483648, 13 DrawText: 03:36 / -2147483648:13 CLI: 00:04:20:06:18:2c status - 1 tags:jalydesu Ah, 0xdeadbeef, think I've fixed it.. Check out 0.20 which I've just put up.. I reckon it's a locale thing and that dotNet is seeing 266.3008 as 2663008 as it thinks the period's a 'NumberGroupSeparator' rather than a 'CurrencyDecimalSeparator'.. So.. I've set the CLI decoding thread to use the English UK locale now, which seems to fix the problem.. Also new in 0.20 is support for the 'open folder' and 'open tagger' buttons when populating via DB scanning rather than folder scanning.. It wont work for collections with lnk files yet, but I'll sort that soon enough.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Can you use Moose on a remote PC to control SB3?
On 13/12/05, mattybain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Album art seems to have stopped displaying in the main window on 0.18 . Have just gone back to 0.17 and it is fine. Oops.. 0.19 now up.. Also fixes the 'crazy' and 'insane' background modes.. ;-) WRT flicker.. I have noticed a bit when debugging on XP, but when not debugging it seems fine, so thought it was just a debug quirk.. Obviously not.. Which bits flicker and when ? Is it related to moving the mouse over it or anything like that ? -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 09/12/05, 0xdeadbeef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, enabled logfile, did a library rescan: CLI: 0d:2a:78:e8:b1:43 status - 1 tags:jalyu etc Mr Beef.. Thanks for the log.. I can't repeat the functionality you describe, so I've put some extra logging in to the time/duration display code. If you get a moment, could you give the new build (just put 0.18 up) a try. Currently I'm thinking it's a dotNet runtime bug, but we'll see.. Also new in 0.18... (http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove) New option - Background - which controls the background of the now playing window. For Virtual PC / VNC, it's probably best to set this to Flat or Graduated, as those two modes dont rotate on idles. Beware of the crazy and insane modes.. Just a bit of fun.. ;-) New option - Enter Key - which controls what the enter key does in the library window. I've defaulted this to inactive, so if you hit enter by mistake after typing a search in, it doesnt wipe the playlist and play the results. Enjoy, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Can you use Moose on a remote PC to control SB3?
On 12/12/05, mattybain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With remote desktop in theory you can control the remote computer directly although I have been struggling as Moose keeps flickering in an unusable manner. Matt - check out the new 0.18 build.. The new background option might sort the flickering.. If not, I'll install remote desktop and sort it.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 10/12/05, Philip Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just tried Moose for the first time.Pretty good start - I like it, but I've found some problems (I think): 1. Main Window - if I click on the album artwork, it disapears for a couple of seconds then gets redisplayed. Aye, this is actually an intended feature.. It re-requests the current artwork.. In the early days Moose would be told that a new song was playing, so it requested artwork, but the server would randomly return the previous songs artwork.. So, clicking the artwork fixed the problem.. Doesnt really make sense anymore - clicking the artwork should probably either cycle the jpgs in the album folder, or maybe jump to some info on the album or something.. 2. With a player configured with a blank MAC address, click on any label (eg. Artist), and a lot of the text is made invisible.Click again to redisplay it.I think this is equivalent to clicking on the Viewing: button.In fact, this seems to happen if clicking on most blank form space. Clicking the viewing button, or on the background of the now playing window switches the display between tags and paths. Clicking the larger track, artist or album text switches between 'tidy-text' and 'normal'.. Tidy-text strips spaces, removes leading 'The's and capitalises the first letter of the larger text. When I sort right-click menus out, this'll all be more intuitive hopefully. 3. Library - I'm not seeing the artwork thumbnails, just yellow circles instead. Theare problems with these thumbnails if you use the 'rescan folders' way of populating the moo file. 0.17 added a fix if your files are set up with the following folder structure: artist/album/tracks (and accessible via the audioroot path) (and have the file folder.jpg, cover.jpg or thumb.jpg) 4. Don't know what I did, but after bit of use, the playlist wasn't displaying any tracks, and I couldn't add any from the library. This doesnt sound good.. If you see it again, and can repeat it, let me know.. 5. I can't get the tagger app (Mp3Tag) to work.Perhaps the current working folder needs to be set to the Mp3Tag install dir when launching? With folder scanning, the tagger, open folder and album thumbnail options all require your music to be accessible via the audio root path. Also, they must be organised artist/album/tracks. With SQLite scanning, the tagger and open folder features dont currently work, but the album artwork should be less of a pain. 7. Would be nice to be able to drag slider bars - eg. to change volume or track position (eg. visual update when dragging such as display volume/track time as hover text, commit when mouse button is released). Yes, good idea.. 8. Is the Play button (bottom left) required, as there is a play button bottom-right?Nb. the bottom-right button could toggle between and || when play/pause. The bottom left button shows the status of the player. I need to add graphics to those buttons to neaten things up a bit. Changing the play button to pause is now onthe list.. :-) 9. Would be nice if it could be minimised to task tray. Coming soon.. 10. Open Folder doesn't do anything. See 5. above.. Thanks, --- Dr Lovegrovehttp://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 10/12/05, mattybain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. I found that after putting a large custom playlist I accidently pressed some keys in the search box (I think that is what it is for, Top left hand of the Library screen, it seems to do a search), I think as soon as you press return it deletes the playlist and comes up with something completely random. It has just replaced Aimee Mann with Aqua - very distressing. Yes, I should probably remove that enter key option now we're dealing with playlists a bit better.. When you press enter it does the same as clicking the play button at the to right - ie, clears the playlist and plays the 'most sensible' item, which is often not the most sensible in reality.. 8. As far as I can tell this just shows the state of the player i.e. Play / Stop / Pause, I can't get it to do anything. It should toggle between play and paused when clicked, but with the bitmap buttons, it makes little sense anymore really.. Actually, when it says 'player off', if you click the left of the control - where the 'play' button would be - it'll turn on the player.. - Current playing song on the library screen really screws up for large file names, does it really need to be there? Yes, why did I enlarge this font.. Oops.. But, no, it doesnt really need to be there, although it can provide useful information about socket problems there.. - I am having issues using Moose over a remote desktop in that it constantly refreshes and flickers. It is fine on the host computer but not when I access it remotely. Not a huge issue I just don't understand why. Ah, probably the background cycling. I need to add options to turn this off.. - Would it be possible to select multiple tracks in the tracklist and delete/move them on mass. This would be very useful. Yup, on the list.. I need to implement some kind of CLI message queue first.. This'll be good for other stuff too though.. - The losing playlist thing is very annoying for me and one of the main limitations. I do not want to spend a signifcant length of time compiling and tweaking a playlist to lose it by accidently not pressing CTRL to add a file (and hence playing it and wiping the playlist). I think it would be great to either have an option so that clicking adds and CTRL plays and deletes or have a way of recovering your playlist (like media player). I know I could save at regular intervals but who really wants to do that. Yes.. I'll make the enter key 'insert' rather than 'play'.. Hmm.. Actually, might make more sense having an option - play, append, insert, do nothing.. Yeah, I'll do that I think.. - Are there any plans to have internet radio linked for anywhere, I could really do with accessing LastFM from somewhere on Moose. Yes, it would make sense.. Maybe radio stations should appear in the load playlist window, at least initially.. -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 08/12/05, 0xdeadbeef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I downgraded to 6.2.2. Unfortunately, this doesn't change anyting.Neither do I get thumbnails nor is the play time correct. Ah, yes, 6.5 was a bit of a red herring - seems to work fine with either 6.2.2 or 6.5 on my setup. What format are the files giving the strange durations ? Are you using cue files or playlists ? If you turn on logging, and mail me a log file (off-list) when you're getting the dodgy times and no thumbnails, I'll see if I can suss what'shappening. There was a problem a while back, but that should all be fixed.. Thanks, --- Dr Lovegrovehttp://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 09/12/05, Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any plans for a Palm PDA program? WinCE would be the first stop as it's a pretty similar platform, and supports the dotNet runtimes.. (also my PDA runs it). Other than data-structures, I think a Palm port would be a complete re-write.. Dont really know enough about the platform though.. Anyhow, more work to do on the windows version first.. --- Dr Lovegrovehttp://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 09/12/05, Kyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr., is there anyplace that explains exactly what this program is andwhat it does?It is a replacement for Softsqueeze or just a program that you use instead of Softsqueeze for the manipulation of music filesonly?How does it do a rescan faster than Softsqueeze, and is aSoftsqueeze rescan still necessary?Do all other functions still have to be done on the Softsqueeze program?What other advantages are thereto this program? Hi Kyle, Firstly, by Softsqueeze, I presume you mean the SlimServer itself ? Softsqueeze is a Squeezebox emulator, although you can use it to alter Slimserver settings.. Moose doesnt play music itself, it just controls what your Squeezebox(or Softsqueeze) plays. Its functionality and aims are very similar to those that the web-based front-end provides. In theory Moose puts less burden on the server machine, and hopefully is much more snappy since it's a native windows application. There are two scanning modes. The first mode scans files and folders. When using this mode, no tags are read from the files, so it's super-fast. This is the mode which saves you doing slimserver rescans, but you must have your music organised in artist/album/tracks type folder structure. The second scanning mode scans slimserver's database. This is a bit more fiddly, but is much more versatile as it's tag-based. Again, this rescan is quitefast as it's using the information which slimserver has already gathered from the files. The moose website explains things in a bit more detail, but it's more of a manual than an explanation: http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove Hope that helps.. --- Dr Lovegrovehttp://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 07/12/05, 0xdeadbeef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently upgraded to 6.5b. Is this an issue? Ah, might be.. I remember having general thumbnail problems with early 6.5's.. Thought they'd have fixed them by now.. I'll look into it.. --- Dr Lovegrovehttp://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 07/12/05, bossanova808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I reckon you should make the core controls (play stop etc a bit bigger,and embeddable on to the Taskbar one day would be awesome!) Hi Bossa.. Not sure what you mean.. Seprate play/next icons in the system tray ? Actually I was thinking of a minimise-to-tray option. It wouldthenbe quite easy to add these controls to the tray menu. I was also thinking about a scrolling marquee kind of thing for the task-bar icon - bit like winamp does. Hmmm.. Could even have an option to change the icon to be the currently playing album.. Might get a bit confusing though.. I'm sure you have billions of ideas and plans and don't need anymore,but just wanted to thank you for a very nice piece of work. Cool, glad you like it.. Ideas always welcome.. With any luck, slim might even promote it from being a plugin on the wiki.. ;-) BTW, just wondering.. Would anyone be interested in a WinCE pocketpc port ? --- Dr Lovegrovehttp://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 07/12/05, 0xdeadbeef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some comments so far:1) The length info shown is more or less faulty.Most tracks are shown as 00:00, a few have very high numbers like 418:08 (though the web interface shows the correct time of about 4minutes).For the tracks shown as 00:00, when playing, a length of-214783648:51 is shown.Are there maybe problems with embedded lyrics and artwork? Ooh, not seen this.. Which server build are you on ? Are these mp3 files ? I've not really tried embedded lyrics, but embedded artwork should work the same as with slimserver.. 2) Though I have a thumb.jpg and cover.jpg in each album folder as wellas cover.jpg embedded in each ID3 tag, Moose shows no cover art in the library view. In the now playing view however, the current albumcover is shown. Hmm.. They use the same bit of code, so this is weird.. Have you altered the defaults for the thumbnail settings at all ? May well be a server version thing.. --- Dr Lovegrovehttp://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New build of Moose (windows front end) now up
On 06/12/05, enduser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ceejay Wrote: don't think thats the right URL? CeejayWorks fine here -- http://tinyurl.com/8luec lol.. :-) oops, meant.. http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove/library016.jpg --- Dr Lovegrovehttp://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: replaygain = mp3gain??
On 28/11/05, kyleki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I don't want to choose between Track Album normalization. 2) I like the ability to play the files back 'as-is' by simply turning off ReplayGain on my Squeezebox. MP3Gain should do what you want.. If you use the MP3GainGUI app in windows, and use the 'Album Analysis' button rather than 'Track Gain', it analyses the files and just writes the replaygain tag info into the files without touching the audio streams. It'll write both track and album gain values to the files. You can then choose to use them or not in SlimServer.. HTH, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Moose 0.13
On 23/11/05, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the support (and a great application). I'll be happy to test anything that comes along. Hopefully you can get it working :) Ah ha.. Seems the database schema's not as fixed as I thought.. I was prepared for column indexes to change, but not the actual column names themselves ! Yikes.. New version up which should handle things a bit better (if a bit slower).. It now checks the schema version and uses non-hardcoded strings to map to the column names.. Guess I'll need to keep my eyes open for more name-changes.. 0.15 should hopefully work ok with 6.5 now anyhow.. I've put some logging in too if not. Ahhh, databases... -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Moose 0.13
On 23/11/05, chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still can't get it to do anything other than sit there saying 'Awaiting Server Response', though. Hi Chris, What are your 'Server IP' and 'CLI Port' fields set to in the options page ? Also, if your slimserver's password protected, is the Username/Password correct. If it's not password protected, these must both be empty. Oh, also the library window sometimes gives verbose diagnostic help in its status-line for connection problems.. If all the above are correct, it's possibly a firewall type problem. Can you telnet to the server from a command line ? Hope that helps, -- - Dr Lovegrove http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
