[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yours in desperation, geezerfreak (who doesn't even have the guts to sign his own name...) OK Judy, time to come clean. The name's Bevan Morris. Perhaps you've heard of me? I'd really appreciate you're curbing these assholic posts of yours. They annoy Maharishi no end. First time I've heard him call someone a twat in years! (He does appreciate your knowing that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.) drinky drinky! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: The third eye is the portal to infinity, that's why it's important! Unfolding of the chakras unfold powers of morality, self control, chastity, descrimination, etc. That is why we meditate, and the unfolding of the chakras is the methodology from which we get these powers and win the battle of life, (i.e. good over evil). So, when does this concept appear? It's not in the Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita or Yoga Sutras. Where is it? In the Bhagavad Gita it is referred to allegorically (as that is what the Gita is, an allegory) as the 5 Pandavas which represent the 5 lower chakras: Sahadeva=coccyx center=restraint (muladhara chakra). Nakula=sacral center=obedience (svadhishthana chakra) Arjuna=lumbar=Self control (manipura chakra) Bhima=dorsal=vitality (anahata) Yudisthira=cervical=calmness (vishuddha) An interesting idea. Is that an ancient commentary, or one that post-dates the 1000+ AD works on the subject? When these powers or 'warriors' come to the aid (are unfolded) of the chela or 'Arjuna' they fight the evil minded sons of the blind King Dhritarashtra; lust, greed, avarice and so on.I could go on but you get the idea. The Gita is an alegorical story about the internal battlefield (kurukshetra) of man and his struggle with evil (delusion) and the final victory by ascention to Spirit and the destruction of evil. Of course, I could make a case, valid or no, that the 5 Pandavas refer to the 5 senses or somesuch... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The 7chakras as found in the Mundaka Upanishad...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The flame has seven licking tongues: Kali, the dark one; the terrible; the swift-as-thought; the crimson one; the smoky-colored; the sparkling one; and Devi, she who takes all forms. Whoever performs the sacrifice correctly, when these seven are *enlivened, he is led by them, as the rays of the sun, to the world of the lord of the gods. From The Upanishads by Alistair Shearer and Peter Russell both TM practioners!! Notice how each tongue lines up so beautifully with each chakra; Kali being the Shakti power of Mother Divine, the crimson one equal to the Heart chakra and its color RED,the sparkling one equal to the 6th anahata chakra effusing pure spiritual light, and so on...Billyg. P.S. The 'sacrifice' or Yajna is offering the ego or little self into the ineffable Spirit..when done correctly. Samadhi! Or the Chakra thing came later as the original meaning was lost. Seeing how Chakra stuff, for the most part, appears 2000 years after the Gita, and several thounds years more after the Vedas, this certainly seems at least (at least) equally plausible.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are alive my brother! Is that the new awake? :) Maybe its encroaching too much on born again. Still, being alive! seems way cooler than merely being awake. Of course being alive AND awake as i am sure some will soon claim, is uncool. Clearly not non-dual. :) High five on that. Yes, prananms raised very high! (said in northern indian accent, its funny.) Too bad you have given religion. This could be BIG! Get 'Alive!' by intense devotional concentration on a russian iconic diety / goddess. Maybe we can secularize it. Take out all the references to dieties and godesses. No big sanskrit words. Yea, thats the ticket! Be Alive! Now. No the acronym is BAN. It should be BAM. Be Alive! Max. A little awkward at first, but after hearing it twice, it grows on you. BAM. Be Alive! Max We could give lectures, teach classes, take the best and hold BAM TTC's. Create BAM centers in every 1,000,000 popultion. Wow, these plans just roll off the tongue. As Jim Ignokowski (sp) in Taxi said, after he stumbled to the piano, having no clue how to play, sitting down and playing some classical piece flawlessly, WOW. I must have had lessons!. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I was playing a show today so I taped the tennis. I fast forwarded 4 hours of tape and only got dudes playing! I totally got ripped on my perv tennis needs today. When are the women playing? I know. Its been sparse. I saw Meuresmo plow through someone. And Lindsey (Davenport) squeaked out a 3 set tie breaker win. And I saw the last 3 min of the new Sharapova -- a 17 year old chezch girl. Diomotiva or something. No Maria, No Justine. No Kim. No Dimenetiava. (sp) No Martina (hingis) that I have seen. Martina is looking very angelina jolie these days. BTW Agassi's end of career game today was kinda moving. Yes. I thought he might pull it out. Now -- an end of and era. He was clearly overtaken by the emotion of it. He is a quality guy / player. Great couple with Steffi. Such an icon, she. Roddick tweaked out a fith set sin. Barely. Against a spamish 2nd tier guy. But if they ever have a 24 hour all women tennis cable channel I willonly leave my house for gigs! I'm there. And if they need extra programming they could fill in with womens ice skating. Heck, just make it the Sasha Coehn channel. Maybe a few hours of womens sufing. And womens alpine skiing. Who would sleep! I'll keep an eye out for the ad you mentioned, thanks for the heads up. Its saturating the air. One of the most powerful ads I have seen in recent years. It may not make me want to run out and buy Nike's -- but damn -- I sure want to just do it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for posting this, I would have missed it. I am so happy that this perspective is in the mainstream media and on a group like this. It speaks well for the open mindedness of both. I think at the end of the article they misjudged the number of people who have dropped the belief in any of the recently popular God ideas on earth. I am not a member of the American Atheists which they use as the low number of people who think this way. I can say that being an outspoken, positive atheist makes me a safe person for some people to express their spiritual doubts to. I have so often been pulled aside when I have expressed my lack of belief by someone who feels bullied by believers to tow the party line. I know that faith and mystical experience is cherished by many here on this group. I greatly appreciate that my lack of valuing these experiences and beliefs is accepted by most of the people I communicate with here. We all have our own reasons for including and excluding beliefs. Nobody believes everything. We are all on that same human mission to discover the meaning for our own lives. That is a much greater commonality than whatever specifics each of us has come up with so far. I consider myself and everyone here a work in progress. I enjoy hearing about and sharing what we are noticing along the way. This post made me feel really glad I check in here, thanks. Kumbaya baby. Thanks purushaz. Its all cool. As long as you don't start thinking Maria is ever anything less than divine. :) (Have you seen her new I Feel Pretty Nike ads? Catches her well I think. A very serious, focussed, towering, powerful, world-class athlete. Who just happens to be beautiful. With a brain.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Newsweek on Dawkins and Harris
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are alive my brother! Is that the new awake? :) Maybe its encroaching too much on born again. Still, being alive! seems way cooler than merely being awake. Of course being alive AND awake as i am sure some will soon claim, is uncool. Clearly not non-dual. :) High five on that. Yes, prananms raised very high! (said in northern indian accent, its funny.) Too bad you have given up religion. This could be BIG! Get 'Alive!' by intense devotional concentration on a russian iconic diety / mind-body synched goddess. Maybe we can secularize it. Take out all the references to dieties and godesses. No big sanskrit words. Yea, thats the ticket! Be Alive! Now. No the acronym is BAN. It should be BAM. Be Alive! Max. A little awkward at first, but after hearing it twice, it grows on you. BAM. Be Alive! Max We could give lectures, teach classes, take the best and hold BAM TTC's. Create BAM centers in every 1,000,000 popultion. Wow, these plans just roll off the tongue. As Jim Ignokowski (sp) in Taxi said, after he stumbled to the piano, having no clue how to play, sitting down and playing some classical piece flawlessly, WOW. I must have had lessons!. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I was playing a show today so I taped the tennis. I fast forwarded 4 hours of tape and only got dudes playing! I totally got ripped on my perv tennis needs today. When are the women playing? I know. Its been sparse. I saw Meuresmo plow through someone. And Lindsey (Davenport) squeaked out a 3 set tie breaker win. And I saw the last 3 min of the new Sharapova -- a 17 year old chezch girl. Diomotiva or something. No Maria, No Justine. No Kim. No Dimenetiava. (sp) No Martina (hingis) that I have seen. Martina is looking very angelina jolie these days. BTW Agassi's end of career game today was kinda moving. Yes. I thought he might pull it out. Now -- an end of and era. He was clearly overtaken by the emotion of it. He is a quality guy / player. Great couple with Steffi. Such an icon, she. Roddick tweaked out a fith set sin. Barely. Against a spamish 2nd tier guy. But if they ever have a 24 hour all women tennis cable channel I willonly leave my house for gigs! I'm there. And if they need extra programming they could fill in with womens ice skating. Heck, just make it the Sasha Coehn channel. Maybe a few hours of womens sufing. And womens alpine skiing. Who would sleep! I'll keep an eye out for the ad you mentioned, thanks for the heads up. Its saturating the air. One of the most powerful ads I have seen in recent years. It may not make me want to run out and buy Nike's -- but damn -- I sure want to just do it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Thanks for posting this, I would have missed it. I am so happy that this perspective is in the mainstream media and on a group like this. It speaks well for the open mindedness of both. I think at the end of the article they misjudged the number of people who have dropped the belief in any of the recently popular God ideas on earth. I am not a member of the American Atheists which they use as the low number of people who think this way. I can say that being an outspoken, positive atheist makes me a safe person for some people to express their spiritual doubts to. I have so often been pulled aside when I have expressed my lack of belief by someone who feels bullied by believers to tow the party line. I know that faith and mystical experience is cherished by many here on this group. I greatly appreciate that my lack of valuing these experiences and beliefs is accepted by most of the people I communicate with here. We all have our own reasons for including and excluding beliefs. Nobody believes everything. We are all on that same human mission to discover the meaning for our own lives. That is a much greater commonality than whatever specifics each of us has come up with so far. I consider myself and everyone here a work in progress. I enjoy hearing about and sharing what we are noticing along the way. This post made me feel really glad I check in here, thanks. Kumbaya baby. Thanks purushaz. Its all cool. As long as you don't start thinking Maria is ever anything less than divine. :) (Have you seen her new I Feel Pretty Nike ads? Catches her well I think. A very serious, focussed, towering, powerful, world-class athlete. Who just happens to be beautiful. With a brain.) To subscribe, send a message to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: I¹ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc. How about the just plain old superior to everything else, TM/TM-Sidhis group? That's called the True Believer group. :-) Thank you at least for being honest about your elitism; very few of the TBs are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, I assume that intentional transcending is actually a different physical state than spontaneous transcending, and that the former is an illusion, while the latter is based on a simple physical change in how the brain processes information, as a for example of where I'm coming from. So you're saying, essentially, that the fundamental assumption and bias you bring to any TM research that you participate in is based on the idea of elitism, that TM is unique and better than any other technique, right? Again, thanks for being honest about the level of your TM elitism, but I think that as a result we can safely disregard anything you might discover in conjunction with Fred as actually having anything to do with science. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sahadeva=coccyx center=restraint (muladhara chakra)
sahadeva (%{saha4-}) mfn. *with the gods*[emph. added] MBh. BhP. ; m.
N. of a R2shi (with the patr. %{vArSAgira}) RV. i , 107 ; of a man
(with the patr. %{zAJjaya}) S3Br. ; of the youngest of the five
Pa1n2d2ava princes (son of Ma1dri1 and reputed son of Pa1n2d2u , best
really son of the As3vins , and twin-brother of Nakula ;
. Nakula=sacral
center=obedience (svadhishthana chakra)
nakula mfn. (in spite of Pa1n2. 6-3 , 75 prob. not fr. %{na} + %
{kula}) of a partic. colour (perhaps that of the ichneumon) TS.
RPra1t. ; m. the Bengal mungoose or Viverra Ichneumon (enemy of mice
and of serpents from whose venom it protects itself by a medic.
plant ; cf. %{nAkulI}) AV. MBh. c. ; a son L. ; a partic. musical
instrument Lalit. ; N. of S3iva L. ; of a son of the As3vins and
Ma1dri1 (twin-brother of Saha-deva and fourth of the Pa1n2d2u
princes)
Arjuna=lumbar=Self control
(manipura chakra)
arjuna mfn. (cf. %{Rjra4} and %{raj}) white , clear (the colour of
the day RV. vi , 9 , 1 ; of the dawn RV. i , 49 , 3 ; of the
lightning ; of the milk ; of silver , c.) ; made of silver AV. iv ,
37 , 4 ; m. the white colour ' L. ; a peacock L. ; cutaneous disease
Sa1y. on RV. i , 122 , 5 ; the tree Terminalia Arjuna W. and A. ; N.
of a man RV. i , 122 , 5 ; of Indra VS. S3Br. , of the third of the
Pind2ava princes (who was a son of Kr2itavi1rya who was slain by
Paras3ura1ma) ib
Bhima=dorsal=vitality (anahata)
bhIma mf(%{A})n. fearful , terrific , terrible awful formidable ,
tremendous RV. c. c. (ibc. , fearfully c.) ; m. Rumex Vesicarius
L. ; N. of Rudra-S3iva A1s3vGr2. Un2. Sch. ; of one of the 8 forms of
S3iva Pur. ; of one of the 11 Rudras Pur. ; of a Devagandharva MBh. ;
of one of the Devas called Vajn5amush ib. ; of a Da1nava ib.
Katha1s. ; of a Vidya1dhara Katha1s. ; of a son of the Ra1kshasa
Kumbhakarn2a Cat. ; of the second son of Pa1n2d2u (also called) Bhima-
sena and Vr2iko7dara ; he was only the reputed son of PñPa1n2d2u ,
being really the son of his wife Pr2itha1 or Kunti1 by the wind-god
Va1yu , and was noted for his size , strength and appetite)
Yudisthira=cervical=calmness (vishuddha)
yudhiSThira m. (for %{-sthira}) ` firm or steady in battle 'N. of
the eldest of the 5 reputed sons of Pa1n2d2u (really the child of
Pr2itha1 or Kunti1 , Pa1n2d2u's wife , by the god Dharma or Yama ,
whence he is often called Dharma-putra or Dharma-ra1ja ; he
ultimately succeeded Pa1n2d2u as king , first reigning over Indra-
prastha , and afterwards , when the Kuru princes were defeated , at
Hastina1-pura ; cf. IW. 379 c.) MBh. Hariv. Pur. ; of a son of
Kr2ishn2a Hariv. ; of two kings of Kas3mi1ra Ra1jat. ; of a potter
Pan5cat. ; (with %{maho7pA7dhyAya}) of a preceptor Cat. ; pl. the
descendants of Yudhi-sht2hira (son of Pa1n2d2u) Pa1n2. 2-4 , 66
Sch. ; %{-vijaya} (or %{-dig-v-}) m. N. of a poem by Va1sudeva Parama-
s3iva-yogin of Kerala. [855,2]
When these powers or 'warriors' come to the aid (are unfolded) of
the
chela or 'Arjuna' they fight the evil minded sons of the blind King
Dhritarashtra; lust, greed, avarice and so on.I could go on but
you
get the idea.
The Gita is an alegorical story about the internal battlefield
(kurukshetra) of man and his struggle with evil (delusion) and the
final victory by ascention to Spirit and the destruction of
evil.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Where the mantras come from!...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Or do you believe that there are abodes where literal 4-armed deities roam? If you don't clearly know all those abodes and all the multi- armed deities intimately, clearly, you missed some key advanced techniques. :) (j/k) Not to mention some really kinky sex. You haven't lived until you've gotten a hand hand hand hand hand hand job from one of the Devas... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch's new film, maybe the quirkiest yet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/htcdk (registration required) selected text below: 'Inland Empire' -- Just Don't Expect to See the 91 (freeway) . . . Huh? No mention of the Mission Inn, Palm Springs or California Speedway? Having gone to college in Riverside, I can assure you that if David Lynch had known about the Mission Inn he definitely would have included it in his movie. A finer run-down, seedy, seriously haunted hotel you are not likely to find anywhere. Really low-rent ghosts, too, kinda retarded and dull and slow -- *perfect* for a David Lynch film. In other words, the reviewer is correct. If the Mission Inn is *not* included in a film about California's Inland Empire, then the filmmaker has missed the perfect metaphor for the overall dullness of the place. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sthapathyaved homes in FL, OH
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FL: http://www.mandalaclub.com/page/page/1505387.htm OH: http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=305770Category=9 When you walk into a kitchen, you should feel hunger. When you walk into a bedroom, you should feel sleepy. When you walk into a family room, you should feel relaxed and happy. It sounds esoteric, but there is so much research on it now, that people are starting to believe it. Do they also believe that when you walk into a bathroom you should feel like you're full of shit? Could be, if all that they think of when they enter a bedroom is sleeping... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: I¹ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc. How about the just plain old superior to everything else, TM/TM-Sidhis group? That's called the True Believer group. :-) Thank you at least for being honest about your elitism; very few of the TBs are. Er, um, yeah, right. Why would they be TBers if they didn't believe that TM was the best thing since sliced bread? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Of course, I assume that intentional transcending is actually a different physical state than spontaneous transcending, and that the former is an illusion, while the latter is based on a simple physical change in how the brain processes information, as a for example of where I'm coming from. So you're saying, essentially, that the fundamental assumption and bias you bring to any TM research that you participate in is based on the idea of elitism, that TM is unique and better than any other technique, right? Again, thanks for being honest about the level of your TM elitism, but I think that as a result we can safely disregard anything you might discover in conjunction with Fred as actually having anything to do with science. IOW, if my elitism is supported, it can't be because I am right, but only because I'm biased. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote:
Sahadeva=coccyx center=restraint (muladhara chakra)
sahadeva (%{saha4-}) mfn. *with the gods*[emph. added] MBh. BhP. ; m.
N. of a R2shi (with the patr. %{vArSAgira}) RV. i , 107 ; of a man
(with the patr. %{zAJjaya}) S3Br. ; of the youngest of the five
Pa1n2d2ava princes (son of Ma1dri1 and reputed son of Pa1n2d2u , best
really son of the As3vins , and twin-brother of Nakula ;
. Nakula=sacral
center=obedience (svadhishthana chakra)
nakula mfn. (in spite of Pa1n2. 6-3 , 75 prob. not fr. %{na} + %
{kula}) of a partic. colour (perhaps that of the ichneumon) TS.
RPra1t. ; m. the Bengal mungoose or Viverra Ichneumon (enemy of mice
and of serpents from whose venom it protects itself by a medic.
plant ; cf. %{nAkulI}) AV. MBh. c. ; a son L. ; a partic. musical
instrument Lalit. ; N. of S3iva L. ; of a son of the As3vins and
Ma1dri1 (twin-brother of Saha-deva and fourth of the Pa1n2d2u
princes)
Arjuna=lumbar=Self control
(manipura chakra)
arjuna mfn. (cf. %{Rjra4} and %{raj}) white , clear (the colour of
the day RV. vi , 9 , 1 ; of the dawn RV. i , 49 , 3 ; of the
lightning ; of the milk ; of silver , c.) ; made of silver AV. iv ,
37 , 4 ; m. the white colour ' L. ; a peacock L. ; cutaneous disease
Sa1y. on RV. i , 122 , 5 ; the tree Terminalia Arjuna W. and A. ; N.
of a man RV. i , 122 , 5 ; of Indra VS. S3Br. , of the third of the
Pind2ava princes (who was a son of Kr2itavi1rya who was slain by
Paras3ura1ma) ib
Bhima=dorsal=vitality (anahata)
bhIma mf(%{A})n. fearful , terrific , terrible awful formidable ,
tremendous RV. c. c. (ibc. , fearfully c.) ; m. Rumex Vesicarius
L. ; N. of Rudra-S3iva A1s3vGr2. Un2. Sch. ; of one of the 8 forms of
S3iva Pur. ; of one of the 11 Rudras Pur. ; of a Devagandharva MBh. ;
of one of the Devas called Vajn5amush ib. ; of a Da1nava ib.
Katha1s. ; of a Vidya1dhara Katha1s. ; of a son of the Ra1kshasa
Kumbhakarn2a Cat. ; of the second son of Pa1n2d2u (also called) Bhima-
sena and Vr2iko7dara ; he was only the reputed son of PñPa1n2d2u ,
being really the son of his wife Pr2itha1 or Kunti1 by the wind-god
Va1yu , and was noted for his size , strength and appetite)
Yudisthira=cervical=calmness (vishuddha)
yudhiSThira m. (for %{-sthira}) ` firm or steady in battle 'N. of
the eldest of the 5 reputed sons of Pa1n2d2u (really the child of
Pr2itha1 or Kunti1 , Pa1n2d2u's wife , by the god Dharma or Yama ,
whence he is often called Dharma-putra or Dharma-ra1ja ; he
ultimately succeeded Pa1n2d2u as king , first reigning over Indra-
prastha , and afterwards , when the Kuru princes were defeated , at
Hastina1-pura ; cf. IW. 379 c.) MBh. Hariv. Pur. ; of a son of
Kr2ishn2a Hariv. ; of two kings of Kas3mi1ra Ra1jat. ; of a potter
Pan5cat. ; (with %{maho7pA7dhyAya}) of a preceptor Cat. ; pl. the
descendants of Yudhi-sht2hira (son of Pa1n2d2u) Pa1n2. 2-4 , 66
Sch. ; %{-vijaya} (or %{-dig-v-}) m. N. of a poem by Va1sudeva Parama-
s3iva-yogin of Kerala. [855,2]
When these powers or 'warriors' come to the aid (are unfolded) of
the
chela or 'Arjuna' they fight the evil minded sons of the blind King
Dhritarashtra; lust, greed, avarice and so on.I could go on but
you
get the idea.
The Gita is an alegorical story about the internal battlefield
(kurukshetra) of man and his struggle with evil (delusion) and the
final victory by ascention to Spirit and the destruction of
evil.
Of course, the idea that the Pandavas represen 5 virtues ala Raja Yoga is
impossible. They
have to represent 5 chakras even though Chakra is never mentioned in the Gita
or the
Yoga Sutras and only once in the Upanishads.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Of course, I assume that intentional transcending is actually a different physical state than spontaneous transcending, and that the former is an illusion, while the latter is based on a simple physical change in how the brain processes information, as a for example of where I'm coming from. So you're saying, essentially, that the fundamental assumption and bias you bring to any TM research that you participate in is based on the idea of elitism, that TM is unique and better than any other technique, right? Again, thanks for being honest about the level of your TM elitism, but I think that as a result we can safely disregard anything you might discover in conjunction with Fred as actually having anything to do with science. IOW, if my elitism is supported, it can't be because I am right, but only because I'm biased. As you yourself have admitted, scientists have a strong tendency to find what they expect to find. You and people who think like you expect to find positive results for TM and expect to find not-as-positive results for other techniques of meditation. Therefore you will find them. And you'll be surprised when no one believes you... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: You live to argue, pointlessly. And you live to deceive. Hi kids, Judy here again. Oh dear, I had the best intentions and wanted so much to remove my rear end from my internet thrown and go outside today. I'm afraid my evil old self took over and I've gone all cunty again! Honestly, I really do want to be a better person, a loving, non-judgemental person. Please bear with me as I wrestle with my inner demons. Geezerfreak, in the interest of fairness and accuracy I have to...uh...stand up for Judy here and suggest that you are exaggerating. One quick search of Yahoo shows that yesterday she did *not* sit in front of the computer all day, as you claim in your parody. She only sat there in front of the monitor for her normal 9-to-5 shift (9:34 am - 5:02 pm, to be exact), posting every few minutes, all day. After that I'm sure it was possible for her to go outside and get some sun, say between 5:00 pm her time and sunset, when she came back and making another few posts. As for gone all cunty, well, that's definitely fair and accurate, so carry on... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: I¹ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc. How about the just plain old superior to everything else, TM/TM-Sidhis group? That's called the True Believer group. :-) Thank you at least for being honest about your elitism; very few of the TBs are. Er, um, yeah, right. Why would they be TBers if they didn't believe that TM was the best thing since sliced bread? Well, that's sorta the point, dude. For people who are part of many other organizations that teach meditation, it would never occur to them to think that their particular brand of meditation was the best or better than all others. The *reason* this would not have occurred to them is that, unlike in the TMO, they were never *told* that their technique was the best, over and over and over and over and over and over, for years and years and decades. The latter approach is called brainwashing, dude. That the people who have been subjected to it believe that their technique is best says nothing whatsoever about the technique, only about the effectiveness of the brainwashing. True Believers are *created*. They don't just happen. You believe that TM is the best because you've been TOLD that so often, for so many years. And sadly, you still don't realize this... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpreting Guru Dev
Intriguing to find out how long it took Guru Dev to deliver the 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrit' satsangs. I put my transcripts of the recordings of his satsangs into MSword to check the word count calculated his wpm, checked the word count of the SSUA satsangs, got a figure of about 4hr20mins. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have just finished reading New Morning's post on Innocence (112511). Highly perceptive regarding the nature of many of the exchanges here on FFL, and the underlying psychology. I would like to add a few thoughts about interpreting the words of Guru Dev, which are now becoming available for all to read. I have not gone back to examine all the threads based on Paul's release of selected discourses, but I have looked into a few and it seems as though they are launching at least as many debates as they are settling. The 108 pieces of darshan in the Upadesh Amrit collection represent only a fragment of Guru Dev's public discourses. Strung together, they would amount to a couple of hours, at most. Nevertheless, I believe they represent the wholeness of his teaching, and represent it accurately. On the other hand, the words in this collection are from his public discourses, not from his private talks with close disciples. To the best of my knowledge, no material of the second type exists, although we cannot rule out that possibility altogether. It has previously been pointed out that Brahmanandaji's teachings were somewhat conditioned by historical and cultural conditions of his time and place. As New Morning has pointed out in a different context, perhaps we could all benefit by considering the limitations we bring to interpreting them. Also, with regard to those who feel especially close or intimate relationship with Brahmanandaji in this lifetime, I would offer one small suggestion: We have seen so many examples wherein the guru whispers one thing into the ear of the disciple at his right hand, and something entirely different to the disciple at his left. Would it have been different with Guru Dev? Do we know for sure, one way or the other? If we are confident that Guru Dev speaks to us directly, that is fine, but we should keep in mind: This is what he says to me. What he says to another is none of my business. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fine structure constant?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-structure_constant e^2 rajas? h-bar tamas? csattva? :0 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, the idea that the Pandavas represen 5 virtues ala Raja
Yoga is impossible. They
have to represent 5 chakras even though Chakra is never mentioned
in the Gita or the
Yoga Sutras
Well, actually it is mentioned in the Yoga-suutras, III 30 (29):
naabhi-cakre (locative case form of cakra) kaaya-vyuuha-jñaanam.
And according to Taimni, hRraya (heart) in III 35 refers
to anaahata-cakra (an-aahata):
anAhata mfn. unbeaten , unwounded , intact ; new and unbleached (as
cloth) ; produced otherwise than by beating ; not multiplied ; (%
{am}) n. the fourth of the mystical %{cakras} , or circles of the
body.
2 Ahata mfn. struck , beaten , hit , hurt R. Ragh. Kum. Katha1s.
VarBr2. c. ; fastened , fixed RV. AV. ; beaten , caused to sound (as
a drum c.) MBh. Hariv. Ragh. c. ; crushed , rubbed S3is3. ;
rendered null , destroyed , frustrated BhP. VarBr2S. ; multiplied
VarBr2S. [162,2] ; hit , blunted (said of a Visarga , when changed to
%{o}) Sa1h. ; uttered falsely L. ; known , understood L. ; repeated ,
mentioned L. ; m. a drum L. ; (%{am}) n. old cloth or raiment L. ;
new cloth or clothes L. ; assertion of an impossibility L.
and only once in the Upanishads.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TB-TM
That someone can sell a technique to help people relax does not automatically make them a saint. TurquoiseB writes: An excellent point. One of the *foundations* of the True Believer mentality is if this person taught me or told me one thing that has proved useful or true, then everything he says is useful and true. Extrapolating from this assumption, over time True Believers put the leader of their mass movement up on a pedestal and tend to auto- matically believe *everything* they say. They start to assume that the leader has a special presence that normal people don't have. The next, and IMO most dangerous step, is when they start to assume that anyone who doesn't feel and act the same way, and who doesn't put the leader up on the same pedestal that they do is attacking him, or not giving him the proper respect that he is due. Read Bob's statement below with this in mind, and I think you'll see True Believerism at its height. Or depth, depending on your point of view. Bob's last paragraph is True Believerism personified. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Correction: for the record I dropped practice for a few weeks after seeing the look in MMYs eyes whilst standing near him in Royal Albert Hall London in the mid-1970's. * It's not uncommon for highly-stressed individuals to react badly to being in MMY's presence. Here's the account of former MUM prof Kai Druhl: In 1990, I first met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi personally. Immediately after the meeting, I noticed signs of demonic oppression. I was no longer able to control my facial expressions during meditation, and my lips would suddenly retreat to expose my clenched teeth. This loss of control eventually even spread into quiet times, outside of meditation. At the time, I attributed that to the impending release of a stress, that I thought had been in me all along. http://www.thetruelight.net/personalstories/kaidruhl.htm So you are claiming that although MMY left India and taught you and millions of other Westerners TM, a practice which you say brings the light, and which practice you say you have practiced for 30 years, you do not regard discomfort around MMY -- the man responsible for teaching you this wonderful technique that you have been practicing for 30 years (!) -- as demonstrating a deficiency in you rather than MMY? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: I¹ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc. How about the just plain old superior to everything else, TM/TM-Sidhis group? That's called the True Believer group. :-) Thank you at least for being honest about your elitism; very few of the TBs are. Er, um, yeah, right. Why would they be TBers if they didn't believe that TM was the best thing since sliced bread? Well, that's sorta the point, dude. For people who are part of many other organizations that teach meditation, it would never occur to them to think that their particular brand of meditation was the best or better than all others. The *reason* this would not have occurred to them is that, unlike in the TMO, they were never *told* that their technique was the best, over and over and over and over and over and over, for years and years and decades. The latter approach is called brainwashing, dude. That the people who have been subjected to it believe that their technique is best says nothing whatsoever about the technique, only about the effectiveness of the brainwashing. True Believers are *created*. They don't just happen. You believe that TM is the best because you've been TOLD that so often, for so many years. And sadly, you still don't realize this... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And according to Taimni, hRraya (heart) in III 35 refers to anaahata-cakra (an-aahata): Bhoja's comment on that suutra: hRdayaM shariirasya pradesha-visheSas tasminn adhomukha-svalpa- puNDariikaabhyantare 'ntaHkaraNa-sattvasya sthaanaM tatra kRta-saMyamasya sva-para-citta-jñaanam utpadyate. An attempt at translation: Heart (hRdayam) is a special place (pradesha-visheSaH) of the body (shariirasya), there (tasmin) inside (abhyantare) the upside-down(?) (adho-mukha) very small(svalpa) lotus (puNDariika) [is] the place (sthaanam) of the mind-entity (??antaHkaraNa-sattvasya). By doing saMyama (kRta-saMyamasya) there (tatra), there appears (utpadyate) knowledge (jñaanam) of one's own and other peoples' minds (sva- para -citta). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TB-TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug in FF writing: Turq, i do not know what precedence there may be for this, but for public safety is it not coming time to have the un-registered non- dome attending meditators up in Maharishi Vedic City and on campus wearing armbands identifying themselves as TM-ex, and a special catagory of TM-Gov.-Ex for those un-recertified TM-Govs.? Relax. As much as it may seem at times, given the way that the blissnazis think, that this is the next logical step, IMO it'll never happen. The reason is that what Hoffer calls the True Believer mentality is the same thing that Carlos Castaneda called the Petty Tyrant mentality. And if there are two things that all petty tyrants are, it's 1) cowards, and 2) afraid of doing the things that they do in the open. The secret behind banning people from the domes or excommunicating them from the movement is *secrecy*, the ability to do these things without anyone knowing who exactly is doing it or why. The secret behind being *able* to ban people is that the reasons *why* they're being banned are never made fully clear, never written down, never defined, always a mystery and open to interpretation. That's to keep everyone afraid of doing something -- anything -- wrong, and to keep them from ever knowing for sure exactly *what* might be considered wrong. None of the spiritual True Believers in the TM move- ment have the *balls* to do what you suggest above, as much as they might like to. They're essentially cowards who are terrified of direct confrontation and who can only do this stuff while hiding in closed rooms as part of secret committees that no one knows the real membership of. In Germany (what you're referring to), it was a group of *political* mass movement True Believers who managed to do the sorts of things you're suggesting. They had governmental power and uniforms and weapons to boost their petty tyrant egos to the true tyrant level and get them past the we wish these people we don't like would just go away stage and move things to the if they won't go away on their own, we'll make them level. That rarely happens with spiritual mass movement TBs. It usually takes a religio-political *alliance* (like the Inquisition working in conjunction with the kings of the Catholic countries) to pull off something like that. Without that politico-religious connection, cowards usually remain cowards and only *think* about doing these sorts of things. Now if the Bushies (who have political and military power out the wazoo) really do get together with the Christian mass movement TBs and get on the we should make the unwanted go away bandwagon, *then* you should worry... :-) Evidently this is a 'public safety' matter as we are being told. You know, the negative effect is felt in a way that anyone wearing an arm band identifying them as such probably ought to be picked up off the streets of Maharishi Vedic City or from the campus and bused away to that meditator ghetto south of the railroad tracks here. It would be a felt-effect certainly and make a final solution to the problem in the meditating community here. Pray will the Maharishi Vedic City Mayor up there and our Rajas act in our best interests and remove these ex-people? It evidently would be in everyone's interest, a grave matter of public safety. Yours in Best Faith, -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Did he say something like this?
Once when the Beatles were somewhere in English countryside with Maharishi, they unexpectedly encountered a crowd of hysterical fans. Did Maharishi say something like this to the horrified boys: If you just stay behind me, they can't do anything to you.? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Did he say something like this?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once when the Beatles were somewhere in English countryside with Maharishi, they unexpectedly encountered a crowd of hysterical fans. Did Maharishi say something like this to the horrified boys: If you just stay behind me, they can't do anything to you.? I thought that he described the fans using the one-liner that was later used in the pilot episode of the Firefly TV series: If they get through they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing. And if we're very very lucky, they'll do it in that order. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Of course, I assume that intentional transcending is actually a different physical state than spontaneous transcending, and that the former is an illusion, while the latter is based on a simple physical change in how the brain processes information, as a for example of where I'm coming from. So you're saying, essentially, that the fundamental assumption and bias you bring to any TM research that you participate in is based on the idea of elitism, that TM is unique and better than any other technique, right? Again, thanks for being honest about the level of your TM elitism, but I think that as a result we can safely disregard anything you might discover in conjunction with Fred as actually having anything to do with science. IOW, if my elitism is supported, it can't be because I am right, but only because I'm biased. As you yourself have admitted, scientists have a strong tendency to find what they expect to find. You and people who think like you expect to find positive results for TM and expect to find not-as-positive results for other techniques of meditation. Therefore you will find them. And you'll be surprised when no one believes you... Because, of course, those who are truly objective, like Barry, know that those positive results for TM and not-as-positive results for other techniques could not possibly be valid. Whatever a biased person expects to find doesn't exist, by definition. It's really quite simple when you know the rules. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: snip Hi kids, Judy here again. Oh dear, I had the best intentions and wanted so much to remove my rear end from my internet thrown and go outside today. I'm afraid my evil old self took over and I've gone all cunty again! Honestly, I really do want to be a better person, a loving, non-judgemental person. Please bear with me as I wrestle with my inner demons. Geezerfreak, in the interest of fairness and accuracy I have to...uh...stand up for Judy here and suggest that you are exaggerating. One quick search of Yahoo shows that yesterday she did *not* sit in front of the computer all day, as you claim in your parody. She only sat there in front of the monitor for her normal 9-to-5 shift (9:34 am - 5:02 pm, to be exact), posting every few minutes, all day. Actually by every few minutes Barry means about every 13 minutes on average from 9:34 am to 12:22 pm (14 posts), followed by an hour's lunch break; then about one every 26 minutes until a bit before 3 pm (4 posts), at which point I went out for a stroll on the boardwalk (my second for the day, the first having been in the early morning after program (I'm very fair- skinned, so I try to avoid going out when the sun is high). Then I did some work from about a quarter after 4, when I got back, until around 5:00, when I did my program again, then worked some more until I knocked off for the day at 8:30, having made 3 posts (average 1 per hour and a half), and then one final post at 11:37 before I went to bed. My actual working hours yesterday were those 3 late afternoon-evening hours. The morning hours when I was posting frequently were personal time, catching up on email, paying bills, making phone calls, and so on--short tasks with posts sandwiched in between. The early afternoon hours were recreational, mostly surfing and online shopping, with a few posts here and there. I was also doing some dinner preparations for when some came over after I was finished working at 8:30. After that I'm sure it was possible for her to go outside and get some sun, say between 5:00 pm her time and sunset, when she came back and making another few posts. Barry has a bit of trouble with the time zone difference between the U.S. and France; I was out from a little before 3 till a little after 4. And as noted, he also has a rather expansive view of every few minutes. That's a fairly typical day for me, as it happens. The nice thing about working for myself is that I can make up my own schedule as I go along, post or surf whenever I need a little break without anybody looking over my shoulder, take longer breaks and relax or go out or go shopping when the mood strikes me, work when I feel like it. As for gone all cunty, well, that's definitely fair and accurate, so carry on... :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was also doing some dinner preparations for when some came over after I was finished working at 8:30. Some friends, that would be... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Celebrities
Has anybody noticed that celebrities usually die in three's? Glen Ford died the other day and this morning I saw that Steve Irwin the crocodile hunter died. Who will be number 3? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celebrities
I don't know about any imposed pattern of 3's but Steve was a saint in my world view. He was filled with the kind of wonder at life itself that Doug Henning used to pitch as an appropriate state of mind for the magical stuff he believed in. Steve was a living example of appreciating this amazing planet full of life and creatures who have slipped through the evolutionary gauntlet and survived. I am comforted by my acceptance of the random act that killed him. Every day is a dice roll and his came up snake eyes. He was a great man. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody noticed that celebrities usually die in three's? Glen Ford died the other day and this morning I saw that Steve Irwin the crocodile hunter died. Who will be number 3? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celebrities
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody noticed that celebrities usually die in three's? If you really think that's true, you'll probably enjoy the plot of this recent book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0833030477?v=glance My advice is to scroll first to the 'Customer Reviews' section and read a few of the 49 *very* funny reviews, then scroll back up to the top and use the 'Search inside this book' feature to verify that it is, in fact, page after page of random digits. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celebrities
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody noticed that celebrities usually die in three's? Glen Ford died the other day and this morning I saw that Steve Irwin the crocodile hunter died. Who will be number 3? Burning Man was #3. He was torched Sat night. Visitors scrawl their fears and sorrows on blocks of wood and leave them at the Temple of Hope to have them consumed in flame near the end of the festival -- next the the burning of the 40 ft Burning Man. Hagelin is wrong. The good effects of stock market and lower gas prices were due to the week long Burning Man Festival. :) - http://www.fox12news.com/Global/story.asp?S=5361807 Burning Man festival climaxes in Nevada RENO, Nev. It started as kind of a lark 20 years ago when a couple of guys burned a wooden effigy on a beach in San Francisco. But it's turned into probably the biggest counter-culture happening in the country, the annual Burning Man festival. The week-long event ends Monday in the Black Rock Desert of Nevada. The climax came Saturday night with the ritual burning of a 40-foot wooden figure known as The Man. Thirty-nine-thousand people danced, hugged and cheered as it went up in flames. More artwork went up in smoke Sunday night, including pieces called the Temple of Lights and the Belgian Waffle. A young woman from Oregon says there's something unique about destroying something you create. The U-S Bureau of Land Management, which owns the festival's property, says this year's Burning Man was the smoothest yet. One man died a day after hitting his head. There were 15 medical emergencies and 35 people were busted for drugs. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Burning_Man.html Burning Man festival climaxes in Nevada By MARTIN GRIFFITH ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER RENO, Nev. -- Thousands of celebrants danced, hugged and cheered as the annual Burning Man counterculture festival climaxed with the traditional torching of its namesake object on the northern Nevada desert. Accompanied by a spectacular fireworks show, the 40-foot-tall wooden figure known as The Man went up in flames Saturday night and tumbled to the Black Rock Desert, 110 miles north of Reno. The eclectic art festival was to end its weeklong run Monday after the burning of more artwork Sunday night, including the Belgian Waffle, the `Temple of Lights and the Temple of Hope. Organizers bill the festival as an annual experiment in temporary community dedicated to radical self-expression and radical self-reliance. I like the idea of temporary art, Marissa Long-Peak, 23, of Portland, Ore., told the Reno Gazette-Journal. There is something a lot more unique about destroying something you create. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/03/BAGO5KUPBJ1.DTL 09-03) 04:00 PDT Black Rock Desert, Nev. -- Nearly 40,000 people gathered in the middle of the Nevada desert to celebrate as a 40-foot wooden man erupted in a Technicolor blaze Saturday night, marking the end of the weeklong artistic festival known as Burning Man. Revelers transformed a dry lakebed near Gerlach, Nev., into an artist's paradise, with towering sculptures, flame-throwing monster jeeps and a neighborhood of theme camps providing everything from steak 'n' eggs to pole-dancing lessons -- to help one another live for a week in a punishing desert devoid of water, shade or cell phone access. In every way, I can see that Burning Man has matured -- it's long past its adolescence, said Larry Harvey, who started Burning Man in 1986 with a handful of friends on Baker Beach in San Francisco. Everything is bigger: the sculptures, the art cars, the spin-off movements to bring Burning Man into daily civic life. Many years later, his pilgrims are still gathering, and this year Burning Man's sculptures and participatory camps were some of the event's most ambitious. Here are some of The Chronicle's picks for the best of Burning Man 2006: -- Best art installation: 'The Belgian Waffle' Ninety artists from Belgium shipped 100 miles of wooden beams to the playa, and nail-gunned them into a free-form cavern 15 stories high. It looked like a giant's haystack twisted into a computer model of a wave, with curved entrances on four sides. Reminiscent of Frank Gehry's undulating architectural style, its sides appeared to drip, defying gravity. Dwarfing all other sculptures, the Waffle was the biggest draw at night, as revelers packed into the cavern and danced to electronica bathed in neon-green light. We didn't use a model, we just started at the bottom and kept adding as we went up, said Jan Kriekels, who said he funded the entire $250,000 project, including buying $250 tickets for the volunteers who spent three weeks building it. They used construction cranes to add the lumber to the top. The 2-inch-by-3-inch beams ranged in size from 8 to 10 feet long and came from the reject pile at a Canadian lumber mill. Although the artists might be offended by
Re: [FairfieldLife] Celebrities
Man! Shot through the heart by an ocean going string-ray barb. Ouch --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody noticed that celebrities usually die in three's? Glen Ford died the other day and this morning I saw that Steve Irwin the crocodile hunter died. Who will be number 3? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celebrities
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: Has anybody noticed that celebrities usually die in three's? If you really think that's true, you'll probably enjoy the plot of this recent book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0833030477?v=glance My advice is to scroll first to the 'Customer Reviews' section and read a few of the 49 *very* funny reviews, then scroll back up to the top and use the 'Search inside this book' feature to verify that it is, in fact, page after page of random digits. :-) Check out a few of the customer reviews (746 of 'em total, average four stars) on this Amazon page: http://tinyurl.com/fee79 Seems to be a trend. Anybody know of any others? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Or perhaps because chakras are grafted on after the vedic stuff he DOES consider important? Maharishi mentions marmas, and not chakras. In all fairness to MMY, I don't think he wanted to open a pandora's box with this more esoteric stuff, who knows, I may not be a meditator now if he did. He wants to broden his appeal not lessen it, afterall.I don't hold it against him, although it would be reassuring if he did explain it from our (TM) point of view. :-) Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious? He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't know anything about them. If you want to know about such things, go to the spiritual traditions that have studied them for centuries. His obviously didn't. No because chakras are pretty basic stuff in Indian philosophy and MMY would have had to grow up in Topeka if he didn't know about them. Besides Ingegerd already said he talked about them in the early days. However in teaching meditation you usually don't deal with the chakras unless someone has one blocked. And the concept of Chakra, at least within the texts I've already mentioned, doesn't go into details such as unblocking them anyway. Shaktipat is used to unblock them. Techniques dealing with Chakras as Chakras don't appear in Indian literature and tradition until 1200 years ago if that. How about in the oral traditions? :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] MMY on Rudraksha Beads
Does anyone have knowledge of any specific comments Maharishi has made regarding the benefits or uses of rudraksha beads? The only thing I ever heard was on my TTC in La Antilla where he said they were good for the body. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celebrities
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man! Shot through the heart by an ocean going string-ray barb. Ouch Only 44 years old. Commercialized self-caricature that he became in recent years, he was still turning folks on to wildlife and the wild environment. Not somebody we can afford to lose these days. But if Irwin had to die prematurely, I'd imagine being killed by a wild critter while he was filming a series called Ocean's Deadliest would be how he'd have preferred to go. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anybody noticed that celebrities usually die in three's? Glen Ford died the other day and this morning I saw that Steve Irwin the crocodile hunter died. Who will be number 3? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Celebrities
In a message dated 9/4/06 11:08:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Man! Shot through the heart by an ocean goingstring-ray barb. Ouch--- [EMAIL PROTECTED]com wrote: Has anybody noticed that celebrities usually die in three's? Glen Ford died the other day and this morning I saw that Steve Irwin the crocodile hunter died. Who will be number 3? __ OK jyotishis, somebody do Steve Irwins's chart and find death by fish. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Celebrities
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/4/06 11:08:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Man! Shot through the heart by an ocean going string-ray barb. Ouch --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Has anybody noticed that celebrities usually die in three's? Glen Ford died the other day and this morning I saw that Steve Irwin the crocodile hunter died. Who will be number 3? __ OK jyotishis, somebody do Steve Irwins's chart and find death by fish. No problem. But 3,456,785 other people have the same thing in their charts and they didn't die from fish yesterday. Damn. Go figure!. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Conscious transcending thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye).....
(Warning: Proceed at your own risk! This information for stout souls only!) Unless your have *consciously* experienced the holy AUM vibration and passed thru the omnipresent all seeing third eye to spiritual light and bliss you *have not transcended*even once! This is the secret, until kundalini rises to the 7th chakra, transcending to transcendental pure consciousness is NOT possible! Whether or not TM enables this experience we are NOT sure, I believe at some point it will, but at present no testimony or instruction has suggested that it will. The bubble diagram only works when one is able to *completely* transcend relativity at least once. All meditators transcend, but most,if not all, NOT to transcendental pure consciousness, that is very rare and one must be highly advanced! BillyG. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev on changing gurus
'Some people say that having taken a guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] mind's imagination. The guru is gone to for [ones own] happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakt (follower) always studying in the same 'class' of a guru out of fear. Actually it is natural to transfer 'class' and to transfer guru. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually the guru's dignity/respect has been done, but you will go beyond that study if you get the discipline of new gurus.' [exerpt of 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#changeguru To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpreting Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: snip Thanks LB. And its nice to have you back on FFL. (new.morning = akasha = omg, from past lives, if the style and themes were not a tip off.) Thank you, Richard. (Hope you don't mind me using your name as listed in the Members directory.) I am trying to minimize my participation here, mostly for pragmatic reasons having to do with availability of time and energy. Therefore I will be limiting my responses, somewhat. Instead of trying to respond to every point raised, I will just hit the ones where I think I have something useful to contribute, and will not be just adding to the rhetoric and polemics. If you feel I've shorted you on some significant point, however, please feel free to draw it to my attention. Previously I said: The 108 pieces of darshan in the Upadesh Amrit collection represent only a fragment of Guru Dev's public discourses. Strung together, they would amount to a couple of hours, at most. Nevertheless, I believe they represent the wholeness of his teaching, and represent it accurately. You replied: I take your word on it. But are there reasons also one might not come to such a conclusion. If so, can you elaboate. On both sides. By wholeness here I am referring to that elusively quality that tells you, This is the Whole Thing, the Real Thing. It's that quality that makes you feel more awake when you have come into contact with it. Some of the discourses in the Upadesh Amrit collection have a somewhat pedestrian quality, perhaps, from the point of view of some of the sophisticated intellects who post here, but others are almost startling in their depth and directness. Taken together, the wholeness contained therein is unmistakable, in my opinion. Others may disagree. My confidence in the authenticity comes from two fundamental sources: First, the provenance of the texts, which is historically established. Second, it is also well known that Brahmanandaji was not much concerned with anything amounting to what we would call political correctness. Everything that has been reported about his life indicates that he was so absorbed in realization that he cared nothing for mere opinions. He was an embodiment of truth. For him, truth was known through the shastras and through realization. He had no room in his life for anything else. I continued: It has previously been pointed out that Brahmanandaji's teachings were somewhat conditioned by historical and cultural conditions of his time and place. As New Morning has pointed out in a different context, perhaps we could all benefit by considering the limitations we bring to interpreting them. Also, with regard to those who feel especially close or intimate relationship with Brahmanandaji in this lifetime, You brought up the following counterpoints which are interleaved with my comments below: And ironically, one thing MMY has whispered to entire large courses, is that, paraphrsing I do not communicate with you in visions. Guru Dev does not communicate with you in visions. He did, in such lectures, and at other times, point out that various entities (like astral entities -- my words) can take the form of anything in visions and even real life and trick people. He always said, If I need to, I will communicated with you by phone. snip I would offer one small suggestion: We have seen so many examples wherein the guru whispers one thing into the ear of the disciple at his right hand, and something entirely different to the disciple at his left. [Taking MMY as a guru who has whispered,] if he whispered it to each, how would we know it was different? We only know by different accounts of what each staff said he/she heard. Thats several layers removed from what MMY may actually have said to each. The advanced technique confusion is a good example of this possibly distortional layering. (As is the parlor game telephone.) Even in something as important as advanced technique instruction, it may be that people's inner knowledge of what was meant -- filtered by knowledge of what should be, clouds the actual instructions conveyed. Would it have been different with Guru Dev? Do we know for sure, one way or the other? If we are confident that Guru Dev speaks to us directly, that is fine, But is contrary to what MMY told 1000's at a time. Its odd IF he would whisper something else to some others. But in cases on this forum, I don't think MMY whispered anything to anyone. So its a student interpreting something as happening that MMY said would never happen. But its a delicate area. IMO, IME, things like puja are clear attunement with holiness. To use others' terms, its like a clear transmission of that state lived by saints (of the tradition). But thats
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conscious transcending thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye).....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Warning: Proceed at your own risk! This information for stout souls only!) Unless your have *consciously* experienced the holy AUM vibration and passed thru the omnipresent all seeing third eye to spiritual light and bliss you *have not transcended*even once! This is the secret, until kundalini rises to the 7th chakra, transcending to transcendental pure consciousness is NOT possible! Whether or not TM enables this experience we are NOT sure, I believe at some point it will, but at present no testimony or instruction has suggested that it will. The bubble diagram only works when one is able to *completely* transcend relativity at least once. All meditators transcend, but most,if not all, NOT to transcendental pure consciousness, that is very rare and one must be highly advanced! BillyG. Thanks for this. However, the problem with such statements as above is that they portray the enlivening or awakening of the chakras as a linear, all or nothing process. This is incorrect. It is true that the third eye must be opened as an element of living pure consciousness 24X7, though many other combinations are possible. For example, we can have the experience of the third eye opening, and then closing again, and then reopening as a result of new integration with Being. However during this time we are not to be said fully enlightened, or living Being 24X7. 24X7 enlightenment comes about as a result of continuously culturing the nervous system, and attuning it to Being. It is a gradual process of purification, attained efficiently through the practice of TM and TM-Sidhis. Then when we are ready, a phase transition occurs, changing our life forever, when we are fully integrated with Being. Spiritual eveloution continues after this point of course, though the transition beween a bound life and a life in eternal freedom is a one time, unmistakable experience. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: I¹ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc. How about the just plain old superior to everything else, TM/TM-Sidhis group? That's called the True Believer group. :-) Thank you at least for being honest about your elitism; very few of the TBs are. Similarly, I am a True Believer in walking upright as the most efficient way to self-propel myself from 'A' to 'B'. However, if you insist on crawling on your belly, I guess that makes me an elitist, eh? :-) Comparative reality be damned, eh? Its all about ego isn't it? Rubbish. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Some people say that having taken a guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] mind's imagination. The guru is gone to for [ones own] happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakt (follower) always studying in the same 'class' of a guru out of fear. Actually it is natural to transfer 'class' and to transfer guru. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually the guru's dignity/respect has been done, but you will go beyond that study if you get the discipline of new gurus.' [exerpt of 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#changeguru And you're posting this excerpt because...? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conscious transcending thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye).....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Warning: Proceed at your own risk! This information for stout souls only!) Unless your have *consciously* experienced the holy AUM vibration and passed thru the omnipresent all seeing third eye to spiritual light and bliss you *have not transcended*even once! This is the secret, until kundalini rises to the 7th chakra, transcending to transcendental pure consciousness is NOT possible! Whether or not TM enables this experience we are NOT sure, I believe at some point it will, but at present no testimony or instruction has suggested that it will. The bubble diagram only works when one is able to *completely* transcend relativity at least once. All meditators transcend, but most,if not all, NOT to transcendental pure consciousness, that is very rare and one must be highly advanced! BillyG. I seem to be usually at svaadhiSThaana (sva + adhi + sthaana) or below... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conscious transcending thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye).....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: (Warning: Proceed at your own risk! This information for stout souls only!) Unless your have *consciously* experienced the holy AUM vibration and passed thru the omnipresent all seeing third eye to spiritual light and bliss you *have not transcended*even once! This is the secret, until kundalini rises to the 7th chakra, transcending to transcendental pure consciousness is NOT possible! Whether or not TM enables this experience we are NOT sure, I believe at some point it will, but at present no testimony or instruction has suggested that it will. The bubble diagram only works when one is able to *completely* transcend relativity at least once. All meditators transcend, but most,if not all, NOT to transcendental pure consciousness, that is very rare and one must be highly advanced! BillyG. Thanks for this. However, the problem with such statements as above is that they portray the enlivening or awakening of the chakras as a linear, all or nothing process. This is incorrect. It is true that the third eye must be opened as an element of living pure consciousness 24X7, though many other combinations are possible. For example, we can have the experience of the third eye opening, and then closing again, and then reopening as a result of new integration with Being. However during this time we are not to be said fully enlightened, or living Being 24X7. 24X7 enlightenment comes about as a result of continuously culturing the nervous system, and attuning it to Being. It is a gradual process of purification, attained efficiently through the practice of TM and TM-Sidhis. Then when we are ready, a phase transition occurs, changing our life forever, when we are fully integrated with Being. Spiritual eveloution continues after this point of course, though the transition beween a bound life and a life in eternal freedom is a one time, unmistakable experience. I mostly agree Jim.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conscious transcending thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye).....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: (Warning: Proceed at your own risk! This information for stout souls only!) Unless your have *consciously* experienced the holy AUM vibration and passed thru the omnipresent all seeing third eye to spiritual light and bliss you *have not transcended*even once! This is the secret, until kundalini rises to the 7th chakra, transcending to transcendental pure consciousness is NOT possible! Whether or not TM enables this experience we are NOT sure, I believe at some point it will, but at present no testimony or instruction has suggested that it will. The bubble diagram only works when one is able to *completely* transcend relativity at least once. All meditators transcend, but most,if not all, NOT to transcendental pure consciousness, that is very rare and one must be highly advanced! BillyG. I seem to be usually at svaadhiSThaana (sva + adhi + sthaana) or below... Ha, ha...agreed!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conscious transcending thru the Ajna Chakra (third eye).....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 no_reply@ wrote: (Warning: Proceed at your own risk! This information for stout souls only!) Unless your have *consciously* experienced the holy AUM vibration and passed thru the omnipresent all seeing third eye to spiritual light and bliss you *have not transcended*even once! This is the secret, until kundalini rises to the 7th chakra, transcending to transcendental pure consciousness is NOT possible! Whether or not TM enables this experience we are NOT sure, I believe at some point it will, but at present no testimony or instruction has suggested that it will. The bubble diagram only works when one is able to *completely* transcend relativity at least once. All meditators transcend, but most,if not all, NOT to transcendental pure consciousness, that is very rare and one must be highly advanced! BillyG. Thanks for this. However, the problem with such statements as above is that they portray the enlivening or awakening of the chakras as a linear, all or nothing process. This is incorrect. It is true that the third eye must be opened as an element of living pure consciousness 24X7, though many other combinations are possible. For example, we can have the experience of the third eye opening, and then closing again, and then reopening as a result of new integration with Being. However during this time we are not to be said fully enlightened, or living Being 24X7. 24X7 enlightenment comes about as a result of continuously culturing the nervous system, and attuning it to Being. It is a gradual process of purification, attained efficiently through the practice of TM and TM-Sidhis. Then when we are ready, a phase transition occurs, changing our life forever, when we are fully integrated with Being. Spiritual eveloution continues after this point of course, though the transition beween a bound life and a life in eternal freedom is a one time, unmistakable experience. I mostly agree Jim.. and thanks again for elevating the discussion here! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: You live to argue, pointlessly. And you live to deceive. Hi kids, Judy here again. Oh dear, I had the best intentions and wanted so much to remove my rear end from my internet thrown and go outside today. I'm afraid my evil old self took over and I've gone all cunty again! Honestly, I really do want to be a better person, a loving, non-judgemental person. Please bear with me as I wrestle with my inner demons. Geezerfreak, in the interest of fairness and accuracy I have to...uh...stand up for Judy here and suggest that you are exaggerating. One quick search of Yahoo shows that yesterday she did *not* sit in front of the computer all day, as you claim in your parody. She only sat there in front of the monitor for her normal 9-to-5 shift (9:34 am - 5:02 pm, to be exact), posting every few minutes, all day. After that I'm sure it was possible for her to go outside and get some sun, say between 5:00 pm her time and sunset, when she came back and making another few posts. As for gone all cunty, well, that's definitely fair and accurate, so carry on... :-) um, you are talking to yourself again (TurquoiseB -- Geezerfreak). That is odd, don't you think? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Purity
Title: Purity this was in answer to a question from an educator about how long it would take students in New York to see concrete, tangible results through TM: [Maharishi:] After each 20 minutes, he shows the results. To accumulate results to rise to Unity consciousness may take whatever time it takes. That will depend upon purity of his life: what he eats physically; how much drugs he takes and spoils the physiology, or how much pure he is. How much purity, it all depends upon the purity. And purity is in every religion detailed to the people. Eat this, don't eat this; talk this, don't talk this; say this, don't say this. All these are there in the textbook of every religion. So if the man is protected from all the dirty mud then he will grow into higher states of consciousness very rapidly. Eating and talking, environmental value, it has a great influence on this thing. All this rice and vegetables and all, they grow pure without chemicals, organic they say. Very necessary. Otherwise if you take poison and meditate and your brain fails--so the brain will fail not due to meditation; it will fail because you are eating wrong food, wrong vegetables, wrong things. No time loss, immediately. When you dip a white cloth in yellow dye, immediately it comes out to be yellow, immediately it comes out to be yellow. So, any little devotion to God, any little step in the direction of the unbounded merciful Father, the Transcendental field of life, any little step in that direction immediately shows great difference. ... __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpreting Guru Dev
L B, As always, I feel both better informed and more sure of where I stand for having heard from you. Thanks. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: snip Thanks LB. And its nice to have you back on FFL. (new.morning = akasha = omg, from past lives, if the style and themes were not a tip off.) Thank you, Richard. (Hope you don't mind me using your name as listed in the Members directory.) I am trying to minimize my participation here, mostly for pragmatic reasons having to do with availability of time and energy. Therefore I will be limiting my responses, somewhat. Instead of trying to respond to every point raised, I will just hit the ones where I think I have something useful to contribute, and will not be just adding to the rhetoric and polemics. If you feel I've shorted you on some significant point, however, please feel free to draw it to my attention. Previously I said: The 108 pieces of darshan in the Upadesh Amrit collection represent only a fragment of Guru Dev's public discourses. Strung together, they would amount to a couple of hours, at most. Nevertheless, I believe they represent the wholeness of his teaching, and represent it accurately. You replied: I take your word on it. But are there reasons also one might not come to such a conclusion. If so, can you elaboate. On both sides. By wholeness here I am referring to that elusively quality that tells you, This is the Whole Thing, the Real Thing. It's that quality that makes you feel more awake when you have come into contact with it. Some of the discourses in the Upadesh Amrit collection have a somewhat pedestrian quality, perhaps, from the point of view of some of the sophisticated intellects who post here, but others are almost startling in their depth and directness. Taken together, the wholeness contained therein is unmistakable, in my opinion. Others may disagree. My confidence in the authenticity comes from two fundamental sources: First, the provenance of the texts, which is historically established. Second, it is also well known that Brahmanandaji was not much concerned with anything amounting to what we would call political correctness. Everything that has been reported about his life indicates that he was so absorbed in realization that he cared nothing for mere opinions. He was an embodiment of truth. For him, truth was known through the shastras and through realization. He had no room in his life for anything else. I continued: It has previously been pointed out that Brahmanandaji's teachings were somewhat conditioned by historical and cultural conditions of his time and place. As New Morning has pointed out in a different context, perhaps we could all benefit by considering the limitations we bring to interpreting them. Also, with regard to those who feel especially close or intimate relationship with Brahmanandaji in this lifetime, You brought up the following counterpoints which are interleaved with my comments below: And ironically, one thing MMY has whispered to entire large courses, is that, paraphrsing I do not communicate with you in visions. Guru Dev does not communicate with you in visions. He did, in such lectures, and at other times, point out that various entities (like astral entities -- my words) can take the form of anything in visions and even real life and trick people. He always said, If I need to, I will communicated with you by phone. snip I would offer one small suggestion: We have seen so many examples wherein the guru whispers one thing into the ear of the disciple at his right hand, and something entirely different to the disciple at his left. [Taking MMY as a guru who has whispered,] if he whispered it to each, how would we know it was different? We only know by different accounts of what each staff said he/she heard. Thats several layers removed from what MMY may actually have said to each. The advanced technique confusion is a good example of this possibly distortional layering. (As is the parlor game telephone.) Even in something as important as advanced technique instruction, it may be that people's inner knowledge of what was meant -- filtered by knowledge of what should be, clouds the actual instructions conveyed. Would it have been different with Guru Dev? Do we know for sure, one way or the other? If we are confident that Guru Dev speaks to us directly, that is fine, But is contrary to what MMY told 1000's at a time. Its odd IF he would whisper something else to some others. But in cases on this forum, I don't think MMY whispered anything to anyone. So its a student
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'Some people say that having taken a guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] mind's imagination. The guru is gone to for [ones own] happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakt (follower) always studying in the same 'class' of a guru out of fear. Actually it is natural to transfer 'class' and to transfer guru. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually the guru's dignity/respect has been done, but you will go beyond that study if you get the discipline of new gurus.' [exerpt of 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#changeguru And you're posting this excerpt because...? Considering that MMY isn't a guru to us like Guru Dev was to him, I don't see the relevance in a TM context. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpreting Guru Dev
I just want to make one point regarding the the discussion on interpreting Guru Dev. Why interpret at all? It is like interpreting the sun. I think sometimes we can get so intellectually caught up in experiences that we become nearly blind to the experience itself. Live it for what it is. If there is a need to interpret it, that already removes us from the experience. Just live it, like the pervasive warmth of the sun. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'Some people say that having taken a guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] mind's imagination. The guru is gone to for [ones own] happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakt (follower) always studying in the same 'class' of a guru out of fear. Actually it is natural to transfer 'class' and to transfer guru. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually the guru's dignity/respect has been done, but you will go beyond that study if you get the discipline of new gurus.' [exerpt of 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#changeguru And you're posting this excerpt because...? **End** Since everyone on this forum has dealt with the issue of where they (and others they may disagree with) stand regarding their relationship with Maharishi, whether as their guru, or teacher, or former-guru, or charlatan, or whatever; and since virtually everyone (if not everyone) acknowledges that Guru Dev is an umimpeachable authority on this and other subjects which this forum is expressly dedicated to, it is patently obvious why Paul has posted this. And thanks to him again. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'Some people say that having taken a guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] mind's imagination. The guru is gone to for [ones own] happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakt (follower) always studying in the same 'class' of a guru out of fear. Actually it is natural to transfer 'class' and to transfer guru. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually the guru's dignity/respect has been done, but you will go beyond that study if you get the discipline of new gurus.' [exerpt of 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#changeguru And you're posting this excerpt because...? Considering that MMY isn't a guru to us like Guru Dev was to him, I don't see the relevance in a TM context. Excellent distinction! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpreting Guru Dev
The only interpreting that should be done on Guru Dev is in the choice of word to use for translating a Hindi or Sanskrit word. So the word 'parivartana' is interpreted as 'change' or 'transfer'. So it is unlikely that he meant 'interchange' or 'mutability' or 'reduction'. However he used the English word 'class' so I would interpret that he probably meant 'class', but I guess we could argue. Dictionary definition:- parivartana - n.mas. reversal alternation, reciprication, transference, commutation, reduction, transmission, variation, turn, mutability, modulation, mutation, shift, interchange, transposition, change, revolution; 'Some people say that having taken a guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] mind's imagination. The guru is gone to for happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakt (follower) always studying in the same 'class' of a guru out of fear. Actually it is natural to transfer 'class' and to transfer guru. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually the guru's dignity/respect has been done, but you will go beyond that study if you get the disciplineship of new gurus.' [exerpt of 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to make one point regarding the the discussion on interpreting Guru Dev. Why interpret at all? It is like interpreting the sun. I think sometimes we can get so intellectually caught up in experiences that we become nearly blind to the experience itself. Live it for what it is. If there is a need to interpret it, that already removes us from the experience. Just live it, like the pervasive warmth of the sun. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'Some people say that having taken a guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] mind's imagination. The guru is gone to for [ones own] happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakt (follower) always studying in the same 'class' of a guru out of fear. Actually it is natural to transfer 'class' and to transfer guru. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually the guru's dignity/respect has been done, but you will go beyond that study if you get the discipline of new gurus.' [exerpt of 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#changeguru And you're posting this excerpt because...? **End** Since everyone on this forum has dealt with the issue of where they (and others they may disagree with) stand regarding their relationship with Maharishi, whether as their guru, or teacher, or former-guru, or charlatan, or whatever; and since virtually everyone (if not everyone) acknowledges that Guru Dev is an umimpeachable authority on this and other subjects which this forum is expressly dedicated to, it is patently obvious why Paul has posted this. Gee, we just had a discussion about Guru Dev's views on who could and could not be a guru, and most here seemed to agree Guru Dev wasn't unimpeachable on that point at all. In any case, Paul seems to be very sensitive about folks assuming what his motivations are, so I thought it better to ask. Of course, he rarely posts anything from either Guru Dev or MMY that is not designed to make MMY look bad by comparison. Kind of a shame to use Guru Dev for that purpose, I think. As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, at any rate, why he posted the quote. And thanks to him again. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The man in the painting speaks!
For those who wonder what significance Guru Dev has for them, that is for them to figure, after all each and every one of them had their fruit, flowers handkerchief ( money?) offered to his portrait. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpreting Guru Dev
Response below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to make one point regarding the the discussion on interpreting Guru Dev. Why interpret at all? It is like interpreting the sun. I think sometimes we can get so intellectually caught up in experiences that we become nearly blind to the experience itself. Live it for what it is. If there is a need to interpret it, that already removes us from the experience. Just live it, like the pervasive warmth of the sun. Hi Jim, I like the general sense of what you have said here. In responding, I will try to launch from as close to this perspective as I can, and work backward to what I had in mind with my original post. Every life is a commentary on the absolute, an individual interpretation of the universal. In that sense, it is impossible to avoid interpretation. The motivator behind my original post was the observation that Guru Dev's words were being used to settle arguments, or to buttress one individual's interpretation against another's. I believe that most kinds of texts can benefit from analysis. I do not believe that all opinions will found to be equally valid under proper analysis, but when inquiry is conducted in the right spirit, knowledge awakens. Some of the conclusions being drawn in this forum seemed a bit shallow to me. However, I am not interested in rebutting them individually. I just wanted to point out pragmatic reasons why these quotes should be approached with an open mind. Ciao, L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Purity
During the '79 Amherst course I had a very deep experience that made it very clear that every little intentention towards spirituality/God no matter how minor or insignificant on the surface of the mind had profound effects on a deeper level of life. I realized that even intending to do an asana thrilled the creation with love. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this was in answer to a question from an educator about how long it would take students in New York to see concrete, tangible results through TM: [Maharishi:] After each 20 minutes, he shows the results. To accumulate results to rise to Unity consciousness may take whatever time it takes. That will depend upon purity of his life: what he eats physically; how much drugs he takes and spoils the physiology, or how much pure he is. How much purity, it all depends upon the purity. And purity is in every religion detailed to the people. Eat this, don't eat this; talk this, don't talk this; say this, don't say this. All these are there in the textbook of every religion. So if the man is protected from all the dirty mud then he will grow into higher states of consciousness very rapidly. Eating and talking, environmental value, it has a great influence on this thing. All this rice and vegetables and all, they grow pure without chemicals, ³organic² they say. Very necessary. Otherwise if you take poison and meditate and your brain fails--so the brain will fail not due to meditation; it will fail because you are eating wrong food, wrong vegetables, wrong things. No time loss, immediately. When you dip a white cloth in yellow dye, immediately it comes out to be yellow, immediately it comes out to be yellow. So, any little devotion to God, any little step in the direction of the unbounded merciful Father, the Transcendental field of life, any little step in that direction immediately shows great difference. ... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus on 9/4/06 2:26 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, at any rate, why he posted the quote. I think its one of the most significant things ever posted to FFL. The issue of other gurus and loyalty to MMY has been a hot one in FF for decades. A quote from GD condoning switching gurus is a real bombshell. Many TBs here might have taken his women cant be gurus admonition as gospel truth, and might have used it to belittle the lady saints who come through. So they can have it both ways. Either hes right about everything, including it being OK to switch gurus, or those who believe in him are free to pick and choose among the things he said. Itll be interesting when LBs book comes out. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY on Rudraksha Beads
--- rmy108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have knowledge of any specific comments Maharishi has made regarding the benefits or uses of rudraksha beads? The only thing I ever heard was on my TTC in La Antilla where he said they were good for the body. If you have them, wear them. If you don't have them, don't worry about it. -MMY on Rudraksha beads LaAntilla, December'72 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/4/06 2:26 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, at any rate, why he posted the quote. I think it¹s one of the most significant things ever posted to FFL. The issue of other gurus and loyalty to MMY has been a hot one in FF for decades. A quote from GD condoning switching gurus is a real bombshell. Many TB¹s here might have taken his ³women can¹t be gurus² admonition as gospel truth, and might have used it to belittle the lady saints who come through. So they can¹ have it both ways. Either he¹s right about everything, including it being OK to switch gurus, or those who believe in him are free to pick and choose among the things he said. It¹ll be interesting when LB¹s book comes out. In Seelisberg, Mahesh quipped *if your guru isn't giving you what you want, get a different guru* -- I'm sure I've mentioned this before. I hadn't seen Paul's massage, so I'm just responding here, to you Rick. But despite the fact that Mahesh was probably being snide or sarcastic at the time, it makes sense. Only you, the person, know what you want and what is working for you. If it's TM and you can't get enough of what Mahesh has on offer, then, I suppose you're on the right path. -- But from the perspective of other Hindu and Buddhist teachings, it doesn't really look like Mahesh is teaching so much as selling. It's dubious whether one can *buy* awakening. But awakening depends upon the individual, for the most part; so if the individual has something that is really working, then awakening, equanimity, compassion and insight should arise. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **Snip** Since everyone on this forum has dealt with the issue of where they (and others they may disagree with) stand regarding their relationship with Maharishi, whether as their guru, or teacher, or former-guru, or charlatan, or whatever; and since virtually everyone (if not everyone) acknowledges that Guru Dev is an umimpeachable authority on this and other subjects which this forum is expressly dedicated to, it is patently obvious why Paul has posted this. Gee, we just had a discussion about Guru Dev's views on who could and could not be a guru, and most here seemed to agree Guru Dev wasn't unimpeachable on that point at all. In any case, Paul seems to be very sensitive about folks assuming what his motivations are, so I thought it better to ask. Of course, he rarely posts anything from either Guru Dev or MMY that is not designed to make MMY look bad by comparison. Kind of a shame to use Guru Dev for that purpose, I think. As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, at any rate, why he posted the quote. **Snip to end** Just a couple of things. First, although anyone can argue with the interpretation of what anyone has said, Guru Dev included, my point was that he, himself, was an unimpeachable authority. That having been said (and perhaps I'm wrong in making that initial assumption), certainly what he actually meant or didn't mean by any statements attributed to him is part of the purpose of forums like this one. If, however, he said it, then I feel it is fundamentally reasonable to post it here. As to whether or not Maharishi functions or functioned for anyone as a personal guru or not is specifically part of the discussion. Alex and a number of people legitimately believe that he did not and does not function in that role. Although I don't disagree with that assessment, nevertheless, I personally hold Maharishi as my guru and have since the first moment I saw him. That's not to say that I don't disagree with much of what I have seen and heard, not to say that I am not disappointed with much that I have seen and heard, not to say that I would be considered much of an ideal disciple (should that specific issue even come up). But I fell in love with him when I first saw him, was inspired by him when I first knew him, and remain indebted to him for what I know now. Can't help it, it's just the way it is for me. I have for a long time felt that what I knew of Maharishi at the time I knew him was the radiance of Guru Dev shining through him. In that respect he was the disciple, just like the master. I don't know more than that, but it is enough and the words of Guru Dev are important to me because I feel that I have been in his presence through this disciple of his. For me there's plenty of reason to post anything Guru Dev ever said and evaluate it through the lens of what I know and feel after so much time and experience. I don't question Paul's motives; his love for Guru Dev, if not for Maharishi, is enough to validate his intentions in my mind and in my heart. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch's new film, maybe the quirkiest yet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/htcdk (registration required) selected text below: 'Inland Empire' -- Just Don't Expect to See the 91 (freeway) . . . Huh? No mention of the Mission Inn, Palm Springs or California Speedway? Having gone to college in Riverside, I can assure you that if David Lynch had known about the Mission Inn he definitely would have included it in his movie. A finer run-down, seedy, seriously haunted hotel you are not likely to find anywhere. Really low-rent ghosts, too, kinda retarded and dull and slow -- *perfect* for a David Lynch film. In other words, the reviewer is correct. If the Mission Inn is *not* included in a film about California's Inland Empire, then the filmmaker has missed the perfect metaphor for the overall dullness of the place. :-) ** I go by the Mission Inn once in a while...not seedy anymore after its rehab http://www.missioninn.com/ , but seedy is probably the most apt word for Riverside and the (ha,ha) Inland Empire, although I like the hot dry weather and the smog bouquet, finest in all California. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Some people say that having taken a guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] mind's imagination. The guru is gone to for [ones own] happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakt (follower) always studying in the same 'class' of a guru out of fear. Actually it is natural to transfer 'class' and to transfer guru. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually the guru's dignity/respect has been done, but you will go beyond that study if you get the discipline of new gurus.' [exerpt of 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#changeguru This is very important. Guru is in no way synonymous with only or absolute. Guru, if I remember my Sanskrit properly, is one who leads (you) from darkness (ignorance). It might take many teachers to do this, to help you, depending upon how you and the teacher mesh. Some teachers have abundant things to teach, but you might not have any of those things to learn, or only one or two of them that are necessary to you as an individual (and no one can escape his or her individual requirements). Some simpleton of a teacher might actually have the one important thing you need in order for some other teacher's teaching to come to fruition. It's really arrogant to assume you (whoever you is) are so enlightened to know which teacher is the greatest teacher who is just right for you. So, shopping around, while this has negative connotations, might be what you have to do. It seems to me that a good teacher is one who recognizes 'your' needs and 'his/her' abilities as well as limitations in regard to 'your' needs. If s/he isn't too self centred, if s/he is really a good teacher, then s/he is going to do his/her best to make sure you meet the teachers 'you' need. This is a really personalized thing ... not like TM mantras given out by age and/or sex because the course fee is more important than 'you' and the teacher hasn't been trained in the first place to have any idea what 'your' needs might be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY on Rudraksha Beads
In a message dated 9/4/06 11:25:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have knowledge of any specific comments Maharishi has made regarding the benefits or uses of rudraksha beads?The only thing I ever heard was on my TTC in La Antilla where he said they were "good for the body". Seems I heard that he had been asked about teaching in prisons and said "some rudraksha would be good." __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus on 9/4/06 3:36 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Seelisberg, Mahesh quipped *if your guru isn't giving you what you want, get a different guru* -- I'm sure I've mentioned this before. I hadn't seen Paul's massage, so I'm just responding here, to you Rick. Ive heard of instances of MMY condoning someone going off to another guru if they were having no experiences with TM. I believe he did that with Myron Feld. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/4/06 2:26 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, at any rate, why he posted the quote. I think it¹s one of the most significant things ever posted to FFL. The issue of other gurus and loyalty to MMY has been a hot one in FF for decades. A quote from GD condoning switching gurus is a real bombshell. However, as Alex noted (see above), the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. In any case, I don't remember having heard anything about MMY having said it wasn't OK to switch teachers (to use a more general term). If MMY has said you should stick with your first teacher for the rest of your life, I'd be interested to know about it. I do recall something to the effect that it wasn't good to have one foot in each of two boats, which I understood to mean you shouldn't have two teachers at once. But Guru Dev doesn't say anything, at least in this quote, about its being OK to have two teachers at once. So on both these grounds, I don't see the relevance of the quote to this group. (Loyalty per se may be a completely different issue, depending.) Many TB¹s here might have taken his ³women can¹t be gurus² admonition as gospeltruth, and might have used it to belittle the lady saints who come through. Many TBs here?? Just how many people on this group do you imagine are such fanatics that they'd do such a thing? Are you getting paranoid like Barry and seeing TBs under the bed? Has anybody here made such a comment, or is that just your fantasy? So they can¹ have it both ways. Either he¹s right about everything, including it being OK to switch gurus, or those who believe in him are free to pick and choose among the things he said. It¹ll be interesting when LB¹s book comes out. I don't know what believe in him could mean in this context. But the two alternatives you cite, that he's right about everything or that he's *not* right about everything, seem, um, a bit obvious. (Personally, I don't see why you can't be devoted to a teacher and still not think he or she is right about everything.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/4/06 3:36 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Seelisberg, Mahesh quipped *if your guru isn't giving you what you want, get a different guru* -- I'm sure I've mentioned this before. I hadn't seen Paul's massage, so I'm just responding here, to you Rick. I¹ve heard of instances of MMY condoning someone going off to another guru if they were having no experiences with TM. I believe he did that with Myron Feld. In the first place, people who learn TM have not established a guru- disciple relationship with MMY, that's a completely different path, the one that MMY followed with Guru Dev. As far as MMY telling people if they were not satisfied with TM, that they should do something else, this was not in the nature of a reccommendation, but a brush- off to fools: at my TM teacher training course at Humboldt Aug 1970, a guy got up and insisted that TM was no good compared to LSD, so MMY said, fine, if you like LSD, by all means do that. Guru Dev did not argue with fools, either, in fact, he simply would not talk to them at all: after he was told the name of somebody waiting to see him, he would either give an OK for the person to come in and talk, or tell him to go away. There are lots of people who are simply not ready for sticking with the path of enlightenment through TM, it's a waste of time and effort to chase after them -- when they get tired of suffering, then they'll pick up the practice again later, so one would never want to push reluctant TMers into sticking with TM when they want to go elsewhere. Nature's carrot and stick approach eventually brings everybody to their home place, bliss consciousness, after they get tired of playing in the mud. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] MMY on Rudraksha Beads
On Sep 4, 2006, at 3:23 PM, Peter wrote: --- rmy108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have knowledge of any specific comments Maharishi has made regarding the benefits or uses of rudraksha beads? The only thing I ever heard was on my TTC in La Antilla where he said they were good for the body. If you have them, wear them. If you don't have them, don't worry about it. -MMY on Rudraksha beads LaAntilla, December'72 But if you have them and don't wear them, watch out--you and your aura are both in deep, deep doo doo. -MMY, later on in the same day, after a few beers To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 102,000 students in India TM schools
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: **Snip** Since everyone on this forum has dealt with the issue of where they (and others they may disagree with) stand regarding their relationship with Maharishi, whether as their guru, or teacher, or former-guru, or charlatan, or whatever; and since virtually everyone (if not everyone) acknowledges that Guru Dev is an umimpeachable authority on this and other subjects which this forum is expressly dedicated to, it is patently obvious why Paul has posted this. Gee, we just had a discussion about Guru Dev's views on who could and could not be a guru, and most here seemed to agree Guru Dev wasn't unimpeachable on that point at all. In any case, Paul seems to be very sensitive about folks assuming what his motivations are, so I thought it better to ask. Of course, he rarely posts anything from either Guru Dev or MMY that is not designed to make MMY look bad by comparison. Kind of a shame to use Guru Dev for that purpose, I think. As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, at any rate, why he posted the quote. **Snip to end** Just a couple of things. First, although anyone can argue with the interpretation of what anyone has said, Guru Dev included, my point was that he, himself, was an unimpeachable authority. That having been said (and perhaps I'm wrong in making that initial assumption), certainly what he actually meant or didn't mean by any statements attributed to him is part of the purpose of forums like this one. If, however, he said it, then I feel it is fundamentally reasonable to post it here. As to whether or not Maharishi functions or functioned for anyone as a personal guru or not is specifically part of the discussion. Alex and a number of people legitimately believe that he did not and does not function in that role. Although I don't disagree with that assessment, nevertheless, I personally hold Maharishi as my guru and have since the first moment I saw him. That's not to say that I don't disagree with much of what I have seen and heard, not to say that I am not disappointed with much that I have seen and heard, not to say that I would be considered much of an ideal disciple (should that specific issue even come up). (So you're in the pick-and-choose camp as regards MMY, per Rick's comment.) I'm not sure what definition of guru you're using, but I suspect Alex meant a teacher from whom you receive constant personal guidance. Is that your actual relationship with MMY? snip I have for a long time felt that what I knew of Maharishi at the time I knew him was the radiance of Guru Dev shining through him. In that respect he was the disciple, just like the master. I don't know more than that, but it is enough and the words of Guru Dev are important to me because I feel that I have been in his presence through this disciple of his. For me there's plenty of reason to post anything Guru Dev ever said and evaluate it through the lens of what I know and feel after so much time and experience. I don't question Paul's motives; his love for Guru Dev, if not for Maharishi, is enough to validate his intentions in my mind and in my heart. Well, as I said, I don't find it particularly respectful of Guru Dev to quote him repeatedly as a way of denigrating one of his prominent disciples, whatever Paul may think of that disciple (and Paul has been quite explicit about what he's doing in a number of cases). And from your earlier post, I had the distinct impression that's why you understood him to have posted the quote about switching gurus, so I'm a little confused here. That appears to be how Rick understood it as well. But perhaps I've misunderstood both of you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: um, you are talking to yourself again (TurquoiseB -- Geezerfreak). That is odd, don't you think? Paranoia seems to affect the supposedly-awakened, too. :-) In other words, geezerfreak ain't me. I suspect that even Judy, insane as she is, knows that. Why don't you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, we just had a discussion about Guru Dev's views on who could and could not be a guru, and most here seemed to agree Guru Dev wasn't unimpeachable on that point at all. Out of all posters, and certainly readers, AFAIR few, if any, expressed a view that SBS was clearly wrong. Did anyone come to this conclusion? I may have missed some posts. Clearly wrong is my phrase, not yours. If you are making a wide distinction between wasn't unimpeachable and clearly wrong, ok then. However, then the argument would be that SBS is not seen as clearly wrong, but Or, if some conclude that he is clearly wrong on this point, does it follow that he may have been werong on other points? If no, why not? If so, how many and which other points? Which are valid points, which are not? As I recall, the main discussion was around what does he mean by guru. Some perhaps made themselves comfortable defining guru in a very rarified form -- and thus many mere teachers could be non-brahmans and women. That is a POV, not a definitive argument - withour much more digging into contemporary contextual material by fluent Hindi speakers. My sense of it, my POV, which is not a definitive argument, is that many common folk flocked to SBS for darshan, satsang, and instruction in techniques -- that he was Guru Dev to many thousands, not just the boys at the ashram. (Paul are you fluent in Hindi? Or are your translations dictionary look-ups, and then piecing together possible meanings?) In the same fashion, there were many teachers in India that were gurus to their flock. And SBS was commenting that some of such gurus did not meet the criteria of shastra. And there are lots of stuff in Shastra. Paul/others, are Laws of Manu considered Shastra? If so, and if it is being, or can be established that SBS was absolute about following Shastra, in public, and to less public audiences (at ashram), then it appears that some/many of us are in quite a quandry. ... Of course, he rarely posts anything from either Guru Dev or MMY that is not designed to make MMY look bad by comparison. I have not come to such a conclusion -- of such a pattern -- from Paul's posts. I think he explained one of his motivations for posting several months ago -- that he saw a gap between what SBS wrote and TMO doctrine. And was perplexed about it. Wanted to get other's views. I find the posts useful. All other quotes are available on the web site. Paul is hardly withholding anything (which ofcourse you did not say, but, IMO, implied.) As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm sure Paul knows this, Do you mean Paul knows that Alex, a non-Hindi speaker, has an opinion about the meaning of words Alex read (outside of full context, probably)? Hardly a compelling critique of Paul. Or do you mean Paul should know that MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. If the latter, I am not sure why Paul have drawn the same conclusion as Alex (and you). I certainly didn't. The translation (always open to more scrutiny and analysis) says The guru is gone to That sounds much more like the local everyday person (like us), who flocked to SBS for advice, particualrly as he traveled around the country, than a full time inner circle staff serving him 24/7 (like a Bevin), who was always around him. And the translation refers to the one who was going to the guru as a guru-bhakt. A guru follower. To me, that sounds like your typical meditator or at least TM teacher / gov. We do, or have, followed a teacher/guru. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 102,000 students in India TM schools
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] 102,000 students in India TM schools on 9/4/06 4:23 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://excellenceinaction.globalgoodnews.com/ So they say. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus on 9/4/06 4:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/4/06 2:26 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, at any rate, why he posted the quote. I think its one of the most significant things ever posted to FFL. The issue of other gurus and loyalty to MMY has been a hot one in FF for decades. A quote from GD condoning switching gurus is a real bombshell. However, as Alex noted (see above), the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. What kind was he referring to? Tabla teachers and such. Indians refer to those as gurus too. In any case, I don't remember having heard anything about MMY having said it wasn't OK to switch teachers (to use a more general term). If MMY has said you should stick with your first teacher for the rest of your life, I'd be interested to know about it. I dont think he has, and can think of an instance or two where he said the opposite, but TMO policy doesnt reflect that. I do recall something to the effect that it wasn't good to have one foot in each of two boats, which I understood to mean you shouldn't have two teachers at once. But Guru Dev doesn't say anything, at least in this quote, about its being OK to have two teachers at once. Most gurus say similar things, but some dont feel threatened by their students visiting other saints/gurus and even send them to them. They dont consider this a 2nd boat. Just a little extracurricular enrichment. Many TBs here might have taken his women cant be gurus admonition as gospeltruth, and might have used it to belittle the lady saints who come through. Many TBs here?? Just how many people on this group do you imagine are such fanatics that they'd do such a thing? Are you getting paranoid like Barry and seeing TBs under the bed? Has anybody here made such a comment, or is that just your fantasy? By here I meant Fairfield, not FFL. Visiting gurus is a contentious issue here (Personally, I don't see why you can't be devoted to a teacher and still not think he or she is right about everything.) I agree. I think fanatics see their teacher/guru/religious founder as an absolute authority on everything, but more spiritually mature people tend to realize that gurus are human beings who may often be expressing personal opinions based on upbringing, cultural conditioning, etc. Many people in FF and some on this list dont fit into the latter category. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Seelisberg, Mahesh quipped *if your guru isn't giving you what you want, get a different guru* -- I'm sure I've mentioned this before. That appears consistent with the SBS quote The guru is gone to for [ones own] happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. If one teacher has not provided what one needs, has not made one happy, has not brought one Bhagavad (note to Paul and LB, its not Bhagavan?), then one legitimately seeks a new teacher. What is puzzling is, refering to Ricks point, if one has a new teacher, why do theywant / seek / insist on being admitted back into the fold /practices/ ashram/aka domes of their former teacher? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lynch's new film, maybe the quirkiest yet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/htcdk (registration required) selected text below: 'Inland Empire' -- Just Don't Expect to See the 91 (freeway) . . . Huh? No mention of the Mission Inn, Palm Springs or California Speedway? Having gone to college in Riverside, I can assure you that if David Lynch had known about the Mission Inn he definitely would have included it in his movie. A finer run-down, seedy, seriously haunted hotel you are not likely to find anywhere. Really low-rent ghosts, too, kinda retarded and dull and slow -- *perfect* for a David Lynch film. In other words, the reviewer is correct. If the Mission Inn is *not* included in a film about California's Inland Empire, then the filmmaker has missed the perfect metaphor for the overall dullness of the place. :-) ** I go by the Mission Inn once in a while...not seedy anymore after its rehab http://www.missioninn.com/ , but seedy is probably the most apt word for Riverside and the (ha,ha) Inland Empire, although I like the hot dry weather and the smog bouquet, finest in all California. KSCI used to boradcast into the Inland Empire, and had live daily news updates from The Inland Empire. But that was after Barry left -- so women (and sheep?) were much safer by then. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'Some people say that having taken a guru you should not make another. But this doctrine is not of the shaastra, this is [just] mind's imagination. The guru is gone to for [ones own] happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. So then we haven't seen any guru-bhakt (follower) always studying in the same 'class' of a guru out of fear. Actually it is natural to transfer 'class' and to transfer guru. It is not disrespectful to the former guru, actually the guru's dignity/respect has been done, but you will go beyond that study if you get the discipline of new gurus.' [exerpt of 'Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 69 of 108] translation - Paul Mason © 2006 http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#changeguru This is very important. Guru is in no way synonymous with only or absolute. Guru, if I remember my Sanskrit properly, is one who leads (you) from darkness (ignorance). It might take many teachers to do this, to help you, depending upon how you and the teacher mesh. Some teachers have abundant things to teach, but you might not have any of those things to learn, or only one or two of them that are necessary to you as an individual (and no one can escape his or her individual requirements). Some simpleton of a teacher might actually have the one important thing you need in order for some other teacher's teaching to come to fruition. It's really arrogant to assume you (whoever you is) are so enlightened to know which teacher is the greatest teacher who is just right for you. So, shopping around, which SBS clearly did. while this has negative connotations, might be what you have to do. It seems to me that a good teacher is one who recognizes 'your' needs and 'his/her' abilities as well as limitations in regard to 'your' needs. If s/he isn't too self centred, if s/he is really a good teacher, then s/he is going to do his/her best to make sure you meet the teachers 'you' need. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip All other quotes are available on the web site. Paul is hardly withholding anything (which ofcourse you did not say, but, IMO, implied.) You're quite mistaken on that point. How could he be withholding anything when he's posted the URL to the Web site over and over and over? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: um, you are talking to yourself again (TurquoiseB -- Geezerfreak). That is odd, don't you think? Paranoia seems to affect the supposedly-awakened, too. :-) In other words, geezerfreak ain't me. I suspect that even Judy, insane as she is, knows that. Why don't you? Jim, you should probably keep this particular seeing in mind next time you start to believe that your perceptions about things are correct. Others should also probably keep it in mind when evaluating Jim's supposed state of consciousness. I assume that the moderators (Rick, Alex, and whoever) can tell what a poster's real address is behind their Yahoo address. I hereby give them permission to bust me publicly here if their resources show that I (TurquoiseB/Barry) am the same poster as Geezerfreak. I have never posted on Fairfield Life using any ID but this one, TurquoiseB. And I don't have any plans to do so in the future. That kinda stuff is for pussies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/4/06 4:04 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/4/06 2:26 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, at any rate, why he posted the quote. I think it¹s one of the most significant things ever posted to FFL. The issue of other gurus and loyalty to MMY has been a hot one in FF for decades. A quote from GD condoning switching gurus is a real bombshell. However, as Alex noted (see above), the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. What kind was he referring to? Tabla teachers and such. Indians refer to those as gurus too. Mmm, you really think he was including Tabla teachers? I assume he was referring to the kind of guru he himself was. In any case, I don't remember having heard anything about MMY having said it wasn't OK to switch teachers (to use a more general term). If MMY has said you should stick with your first teacher for the rest of your life, I'd be interested to know about it. I don¹t think he has, and can think of an instance or two where he said the opposite, but TMO policy doesn¹t reflect that. In what way does TMO policy not reflect it? I do recall something to the effect that it wasn't good to have one foot in each of two boats, which I understood to mean you shouldn't have two teachers at once. But Guru Dev doesn't say anything, at least in this quote, about its being OK to have two teachers at once. Most gurus say similar things, but some don¹t feel threatened by their students visiting other saints/gurus and even send them to them. They don¹t consider this a 2nd boat. Just a little extracurricular enrichment. Right. I'd say MMY feeling personally threatened (if he does) by TMers visiting other saints/gurus-- or thinking dispassionately that it wasn't a good idea, for that matter--is a different issue entirely, and not what Guru Dev was addressing. Many TB¹s here might have taken his ³women can¹t be gurus² admonition as gospeltruth, and might have used it to belittle the lady saints who come through. Many TBs here?? Just how many people on this group do you imagine are such fanatics that they'd do such a thing? Are you getting paranoid like Barry and seeing TBs under the bed? Has anybody here made such a comment, or is that just your fantasy? By ³here² I meant Fairfield, not FFL. Visiting gurus is a contentious issue here Oh, sorry. I misread. (Personally, I don't see why you can't be devoted to a teacher and still not think he or she is right about everything.) I agree. I think fanatics see their teacher/guru/religious founder as an absolute authority on everything, but more spiritually mature people tend to realize that gurus are human beings who may often be expressing personal opinions based on upbringing, cultural conditioning, etc. Many people in FF and some on this list don¹t fit into the latter category. (And yet Barry rather vehemently put me in the fanatic category with his Eric Hoffer quotes.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 9/4/06 2:26 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me, at any rate, why he posted the quote. I think it¹s one of the most significant things ever posted to FFL. The issue of other gurus and loyalty to MMY has been a hot one in FF for decades. A quote from GD condoning switching gurus is a real bombshell. However, as Alex noted (see above), the quote doesn't appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. What kind of guru was SBS referring to? Do you know this definitively? In any case, I don't remember having heard anything about MMY having said it wasn't OK to switch teachers (to use a more general term). But he was always very big on, while doing TM, don't read or see other teachers. As early as 1968 he was strong on this. Probably much earlier. If MMY has said you should stick with your first teacher for the rest of your life, I'd be interested to know about it. It was strongly implied,IMO. MMY was not explicit on some subject.More the knowing wink approach. I do recall something to the effect that it wasn't good to have one foot in each of two boats, which I understood to mean you shouldn't have two teachers at once. But Guru Dev doesn't say anything, at least in this quote, about its being OK to have two teachers at once. Yes, a key distintion. One not addressed in Rick's adjacent post, ...blockbuster. If one has a new teacher, all good and fine. But why then are people asking, seeking, whining in some cases, to get back into the ashram/domes or their former teacher? So on both these grounds, I don't see the relevance of the quote to this group. Big non-sequitar in my opinion. For me it does have big relevance, though not perhaps the type Rick sees. (Loyalty per se may be a completely different issue, depending.) Many TB¹s here might have taken his ³women can¹t be gurus² admonition as gospeltruth, and might have used it to belittle the lady saints who come through. Many TBs here?? Just how many people on this group do you imagine are such fanatics that they'd do such a thing? So what statments of SBS's do we take as truth and which do we take as false? (The convenient ones are true?) So they can¹ have it both ways. Either he¹s right about everything, [or not]. Yes. Quite a quandry for many of us. Either he¹s right about everything, or not right about anything? Or another alternative. He was right about somethings, and not about others. Like what many feel about MMY. What are the implications [of SBS being right only some of the time]? [if that is the case] Many had an infallibility aura they drew around MMY in the 60's and 70's. By the 90's infallability was fading. Have we / many transfered the cloak of infallibility from MMY to SBS? aka MMY may not have gotten it all right, and has flaws, but SBS is perfect in every way If SBS absolutely supports shastra, and if Laws of Manu are shastra, then it appears we absolutly support and live by Laws of Manu or we regard SBS as not perfect in every way. People can and have argued that SBS was of conservative age, things are different now. Oh My. Shastra, if its anything, it is eternal. Its hard for anyone to claim ancient and eternal shastra was totally relevant and true in 1940, but ancient and eternal shastra is not true and valid now. (Personally, I don't see why you can't be devoted to a teacher and still not think he or she is right about everything.) Yes. As some/many have evolved to/done with MMY. So can we,do we, do the same with SBS? Or is he infallible. If not infallible, which things are true? Which shastras are true and shouldbe followed, and which are not? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have never posted on Fairfield Life using any ID but this one, TurquoiseB. And I don't have any plans to do so in the future. That kinda stuff is for pussies. I guess you've gotten braver, then, because you used to do it on alt.m.t all the time. (Still, it was always obviously you, even when you tried to disguise yourself. geezerfreak's clearly *not* you, even though the two of you share an obsession with me.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] 102,000 students in India TM schools
On Sep 4, 2006, at 4:23 PM, bob_brigante wrote: http://excellenceinaction.globalgoodnews.com/ http:// wwwdontbelieveeverythingyoureadbobespeciallywhenitcomesfromthetmo.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip All other quotes are available on the web site. Paul is hardly withholding anything (which ofcourse you did not say, but, IMO, implied.) You're quite mistaken on that point. How could he be withholding anything when he's posted the URL to the Web site over and over and over? OK. Apologies. I correctly inferred a meaning in your words that you did not imply. In recognizing my mistake -- I now see it as my internal but inappropriate attempt to make sense of your position. Having become innocent again, looking at your argument without my trying to use my own inner scafholding to make senseofthem, -- your original argument seems to me, and I am probably retarded, to go nowhere. Paul did not withhold anything, but commented on a few pieces of interest to him -- which he outlined a month or so previously. If people did not like his selection, or felt he was biased, he offers up the whole set of translations. I see no foul in this, no black dark motive here. Any comments on the substantive points I raised? I think they are important. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Any comments on the substantive points I raised? I think they are important. Nah, I'm not inclined to get into any detailed discussions with you; they never seem to me to go much of anywhere, sorry. Liked your post in innocence, though. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip All other quotes are available on the web site. Paul is hardly withholding anything (which ofcourse you did not say, but, IMO, implied.) You're quite mistaken on that point. How could he be withholding anything when he's posted the URL to the Web site over and over and over? OK. Apologies. I incorrectly inferred a meaning in your words that you did not imply. In recognizing my mistake -- I now see it as my internal but inappropriate attempt to make sense of your position. Having become innocent again, looking at your argument without my trying to use my own inner scafholding to make senseofthem, -- your original argument seems to me, and I am probably retarded, to go nowhere. Paul did not withhold anything, but commented on a few pieces of interest to him -- which he outlined a month or so previously. If people did not like his selection, or felt he was biased, he offers up the whole set of translations. I see no foul in this, no black dark motive here. Any comments on the substantive points I raised? I think they are important. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: um, you are talking to yourself again (TurquoiseB -- Geezerfreak). That is odd, don't you think? Paranoia seems to affect the supposedly-awakened, too. :-) In other words, geezerfreak ain't me. I suspect that even Judy, insane as she is, knows that. Why don't you? Jim, you should probably keep this particular seeing in mind next time you start to believe that your perceptions about things are correct. Others should also probably keep it in mind when evaluating Jim's supposed state of consciousness. I assume that the moderators (Rick, Alex, and whoever) can tell what a poster's real address is behind their Yahoo address. I hereby give them permission to bust me publicly here if their resources show that I (TurquoiseB/Barry) am the same poster as Geezerfreak. I have never posted on Fairfield Life using any ID but this one, TurquoiseB. And I don't have any plans to do so in the future. That kinda stuff is for pussies. Yeah, you got me ;-) Evaluate my supposed state of consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip Any comments on the substantive points I raised? I think they are important. Nah, I'm not inclined to get into any detailed discussions with you; they never seem to me to go much of anywhere, sorry. Liked your post in innocence, though. Thanks. On other points, in honesty, it was not so much an invitation. But I was parroting a good point you at times make of others, particularly barry, paraphrasing there were lots of substantive points in that post, and the best you can do is pick on some insubstantial side issue? And my comments to you post were simply to point out the weakness* of your arguments, not to get into what appears to me you your endless diversions at times. So we are both happy on that. *Such as holding up Alex as a mainstream or even definitive inerpretation of the quote. It was one guy, a non current meditator, a non-hindi speaker I presme, making a quick comment about one sentence he read -- apparently not in full context. It was a fine POV. But hardly a definitive argument or referrence. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
'Bhagavad' is the word used in the text (I just double-checked). But of course the transcriber could have misheard or indeed the typesetter might have mispelled the word. But either way, Bhagavan or Bhagavad, same really, means 'Lord' or 'God' or 'OMnipotent One'. I wouldn't describe myself as 'fluent', no, but on the other hand I do check every single word and the words I don't know I look up in one of my dictionaries, I use four different Hindi dictionaries (Allied, Oxford, National Bhargava's), and a M-W Sanskrit 'slab'. Any new definitions get added to a database, which enables me, with the help of MSaccess, to offer text and get a list of all available words related to the current translation. This can be really useful when Guru Dev uses obscure terms which he sometimes does. Although it would be preferable to be really fluent, the downside of a fluent speaker is that they are unlikely to look up commonly used words as a consequence can miss an obscure meaning. However, if anyone knows anyone who can help on this project I would be very happy to hear from them. I first came by two books of writings in 1975 (at Jyotir Math), got them both translated in India, (and an awful mess that turned out to be). Incidentally, has anyone tried the Guru Dev meditation technique, as outlined in the satsang a few days ago. I would be interested to hear of any observations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote: In Seelisberg, Mahesh quipped *if your guru isn't giving you what you want, get a different guru* -- I'm sure I've mentioned this before. That appears consistent with the SBS quote The guru is gone to for [ones own] happiness. Up until when bhagavad (God, Vishnu, Shiva) is gained, up until then you can go and change guru. If one teacher has not provided what one needs, has not made one happy, has not brought one Bhagavad (note to Paul and LB, its not Bhagavan?), then one legitimately seeks a new teacher. What is puzzling is, refering to Ricks point, if one has a new teacher, why do theywant / seek / insist on being admitted back into the fold /practices/ ashram/aka domes of their former teacher? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: snip Any comments on the substantive points I raised? I think they are important. Nah, I'm not inclined to get into any detailed discussions with you; In honesty, it was not so much an invitation. More a rhetorical point. I was parroting a good point you at times make of others, particularly barry, paraphrasing there were lots of substantive points in that post, and the best you can do is pick on some insubstantial side issue? [detailed discussions with you] they never seem to me to go much of anywhere, sorry. Hardly a view [many] others have of your extensively detailed journeys into minutia in some of your posts. [horse laugh] Liked your post in innocence, though. Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interpreting Guru Dev
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only interpreting that should be done on Guru Dev is in the choice of word to use for translating a Hindi or Sanskrit word. So the word 'parivartana' is interpreted as 'change' or 'transfer'. So it is unlikely that he meant 'interchange' or 'mutability' or 'reduction'. However he used the English word 'class' so I would interpret that he probably meant 'class', but I guess we could argue. I agree wholeheartedly with this philosophy of translation, and would add a few qualifying remarks: Although this sometimes comes as a surprise to those with no experience in translating, no language maps to any other language one-to-one. That is, there is not necessarily a corresponding word in Dictionary B to the word you are trying to define from Dicionary A. In the same way, concepts do not map, from culture to culture, one-to one. The same English word may have a slightly different meaning in India than it has here. As a result of factors such as these, the best translators I have spoken with agree that sometimes a liberal translation serves the truth better than a literal one. In that sense, good translation is more an art than a science. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Bhagavad' is the word used in the text (I just double-checked). But of course the transcriber could have misheard or indeed the typesetter might have mispelled the word. But either way, Bhagavan or Bhagavad, same really, means 'Lord' or 'God' or 'OMnipotent One'. I wouldn't describe myself as 'fluent', no, but on the other hand I do check every single word and the words I don't know I look up in one of my dictionaries, I use four different Hindi dictionaries (Allied, Oxford, National Bhargava's), and a M-W Sanskrit 'slab'. Any new definitions get added to a database, which enables me, with the help of MSaccess, to offer text and get a list of all available words related to the current translation. This can be really useful when Guru Dev uses obscure terms which he sometimes does. Although it would be preferable to be really fluent, the downside of a fluent speaker is that they are unlikely to look up commonly used words as a consequence can miss an obscure meaning. Thanks. I laud yours and others, such as LB's, efforts. Its valuable to me. The more I read, some pretty fundamental quetions arise. See adjacent posts. However, my sense of your process,and that of LB's editing of his copy of the material (its the same source -- hindi manuscript -- for both of you,correct?), is that while its thorough and meticulous, it may be subject to the poetry effect of Bly and ? mentioned in posts a few days ago regarding arabic / sufi poetry. That is, do you you have a sense of what SBS must have meant, and the 2-20 meanings in the dictionary for each word are chosen to jibe with that must be area of meaning? What if your feeling is wrong? Then again, translators not having that must be feeling may produce disasters. And what about idioms, yogi slang :), and regional meanings of the words? If one is either not fluent in hindi, and/or not intimately current on the syntax and venacular of yogis and swamis 1920-1950, can some meanings be missed? These are simply observations/ questions. Not criticisms of your efforts. However, if anyone knows anyone who can help on this project I would be very happy to hear from them. I have a virtual foundation (that is, it is still an intent, a bubble (of bliss)) at this point, but it is making progress, sprouting nicely. My intent, among other things, is to support research like this, and work others do on swami / dundee traditions. And other things. Perhaps the virtual bubble blooms, perhaps not. Its a personal intent, but not so much in my hands. If it appeals to you, mentally, or on paper, articulate what you need, the costs, duration, and intended work product. Perhaps your pull will make my push flow into manifest form. By the way, Dana Sawyer, who has posted here a bit via Rick, is fluent in Hindi, is a professor of Asian Studies, and having interviewed hndreds of swamis and sadhus, must have a feel for their idioms/slang etc. He may be a great resource for your work. Rick could probably facilitate intros. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I'm converting back to TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: I¹ve heard that people tend to sit in affinity groups in the domes: the Amma group, the Waking Down group, etc. How about the just plain old superior to everything else, TM/TM-Sidhis group? That's called the True Believer group. :-) Thank you at least for being honest about your elitism; very few of the TBs are. Er, um, yeah, right. Why would they be TBers if they didn't believe that TM was the best thing since sliced bread? Well, that's sorta the point, dude. For people who are part of many other organizations that teach meditation, it would never occur to them to think that their particular brand of meditation was the best or better than all others. The *reason* this would not have occurred to them is that, unlike in the TMO, they were never *told* that their technique was the best, over and over and over and over and over and over, for years and years and decades. The latter approach is called brainwashing, dude. That the people who have been subjected to it believe that their technique is best says nothing whatsoever about the technique, only about the effectiveness of the brainwashing. True Believers are *created*. They don't just happen. You believe that TM is the best because you've been TOLD that so often, for so many years. And sadly, you still don't realize this... I'm well-aware of teh mechanism. However, being brainwashed doesn't preclude being correct... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Of course, I assume that intentional transcending is actually a different physical state than spontaneous transcending, and that the former is an illusion, while the latter is based on a simple physical change in how the brain processes information, as a for example of where I'm coming from. So you're saying, essentially, that the fundamental assumption and bias you bring to any TM research that you participate in is based on the idea of elitism, that TM is unique and better than any other technique, right? Again, thanks for being honest about the level of your TM elitism, but I think that as a result we can safely disregard anything you might discover in conjunction with Fred as actually having anything to do with science. IOW, if my elitism is supported, it can't be because I am right, but only because I'm biased. As you yourself have admitted, scientists have a strong tendency to find what they expect to find. You and people who think like you expect to find positive results for TM and expect to find not-as-positive results for other techniques of meditation. Therefore you will find them. And you'll be surprised when no one believes you... That's whre independent investigatino comes in. No reseasonable researcher expects his pet theory to be taken seriously until its been tested by others. However, brain imaging files that are analyzied after-the-fact looking for a specific theoretical result are not subject to normal researcher biases. Deliberate bias, of course, but not projectiono f results due to expectations. What Fred is doing now is a time-honored way of checking to see if a hypothesis has legs: based on a new theory, what would certain details of already-existing data look like? If you can find those predicted details in the already-collected data, you then go on to design experiments and seek funding to perform them to create new data to analyze. From what Fred says, the pre-existing data supports the theory pretty darned well: brain imaging of TMers from other studies show measureable reductons of thalamic activity during TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus on 9/4/06 4:39 PM, new.morning at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is puzzling is, refering to Ricks point, if one has a new teacher, why do theywant / seek / insist on being admitted back into the fold /practices/ ashram/aka domes of their former teacher? Thats a good question. I shouldnt think they would be attached to it. But many are, and feel its their right to be there, even though they have been very involved with other teachers and practices for a long time and not involved in the TMO. Some just like the vibes in the dome. Others who have moved on to other things came back out of curiosity or because some friend encouraged them or some employer paid them, and ended up feeling like a fish out of water. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Laurel Hardy-Reincarnated and Performing in NYC
Hi Fairfield Life, I haven't posted in over a year. Thought you would like an update on what my meditator friend Dr. Walter Semkiw is doing with his reincarnation research. He has published two books now, has established a research institute to bring more intense use of science into this field, and he has found some entertaining life matches like the current incarnations of Marilyn Monroe and Anne Frank which you can find on his website: http://www.johnadams.net/index.html Here below is a match found by another author, but confirmed by Walter's research. Those of you in or near New York can go see the reincarnations of Stan and Ollie perform... http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/default.cfm? Actionfiltered=ReleaseDetailID=13700NRWid=5361 Laurel Hardy-Reincarnated and Performing in NYC The beloved comedy team of Laurel Hardy is alive, well and making audiences laugh just as hard as before, according to Walter Semkiw, MD, author of Born Again and Return of the Revolutionaries. The reincarnation of Laurel Hardy, identified as Josh and Danny Bacher, are featured in Born Again, which was recently released in India and covered on CNN. In his books, Dr. Semkiw reviews independently researched reincarnation cases, including two published by Ian Stevenson, MD, at the University of Virginia, which demonstrate that from lifetime to lifetime, people have the same facial features, personality traits, passions and talents, and that people incarnate in karmic soul groups. In addition to independently researched cases, additional cases were derived through Kevin Ryerson, the trance medium who has been featured in Out on a Limb and other books written by Shirley MacLaine. In working with him over a period of years, Dr. Semkiw found that accurate past life matches could be established through Mr. Ryerson. An especially compelling case solved in this manner involves Neale Donald Walsch, author of the best selling Conversations with God series, who agreed to be featured in Return of the Revolutionaries as the reincarnation of Reverend William Walter. This case, as well as others solved through Kevin Ryerson can be viewed at: http://www.johnadams.net/cases/samples/Walsch/index.html When Dr. Semkiw realized accurate identifications of reincarnated individuals could also be made through Kevin Ryerson, one pair of interest was Laurel Hardy, who were subsequently confirmed to have reincarnated as Josh and Danny Bacher. The Bacher Boys will be performing in New York City at the Theater for the New City, September 7th-October 1st, 2006 (details provided below). The Laurel Hardy cases demonstrate principles of reincarnation observed in numerous other cases researched by Dr. Semkiw and others. These include: #61472;Consistent facial features (primarily we look at Bone Structure - see image with facial comparisons) #61472;Consistent talents and passions- In their Off Broadway premier in January 2006, the Bacher Boys created their own silent movie, which had the audience in stitches. In creating a silent movie and incorporating vaudeville type skits in their program, the Bacher Boys replicated the comedic development of Laurel Hardy. This phenomenon is also observed in the case of Alexandra Nechita, also featured in Born Again, who is identified as the reincarnation of Pablo Picasso. Alexandra, who has been featured on Oprah and CBS Sunday Morning, was a childhood artistic prodigy who has replicated the artistic development of Picasso. #61472;Affinity cases-in these types of reincarnation cases, individuals are naturally attracted to their own past life personas. On such case involves Halle Berry, who has been identified as the reincarnation of Dorothy Dandridge. Similarly, Josh and Danny Bacher were naturally attracted to Laurel Hardy since they were toddlers. #61472;Karmic grouping-though Stan Laurel was from England and Oliver Hardy was from Georgia, this team managed to reincarnate as two brothers in New Jersey. Dr. Semkiw attended the Bacher Boys Off Broadway debut in January 2006 and observed that Stan/Josh and Ollie/Danny are as funny as ever and they relate to each other as they did before. Even if you don't believe in reincarnation, attend their show and experience a classic comedy treat. Performance details are provided below: The Funniest Show in the World About the History of Comedy Performed by Two Brothers in Less Than Two Hours for Under Twenty Bucks, Written and directed by and starring Josh Bacher and Danny Bacher September 7th-October 1st, 2006 Thursdays-Saturdays at 8pm, Sundays at 3pm Theater for the New City www.theaterforthenewcity.net 155 First Avenue, between 9th and 10th Streets New York, NY 10003 Tickets: $19 For tickets, call 212-254-1109 or visit www.theatermania.com For more information about the Bacher brothers, visit www.bacherboys.com To subscribe, send a
