Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I kinda figured this would happen. I've always assumed that most of this complaining that they were driven away from FFL and forced to migrate to the Let Us Be Boring Together group was 1) mere posturing, and 2) a veritable case study in lack of self-knowledge. They just made a pretense of stalking off in a snit and being persecuted, but anyone who has been watching the actual traffic here knows that the folks who left for the gentle speech group (and especially its founder) were some of the most volatile creators of vile-speak FFL has ever seen. I always said they should be careful what they wish for. Without people to rag on they'll be bored shitless. My bet? They'll be back. (You'll notice that none of them seem to have actually unsubscribed from FFL.) They'll miss being able to get up on their high and might pulpits and dump on the people they don't like, and they've boxed themselves in on the new group so they can't do it there without being laughed out of Yahoo Group Town, so they'll do drive-bys on FFL just to get their rocks off by complaining about the people they feel superior to. Buck is just the first example of one of them doing that. There will be more... Why does Buck think he has to save us from ourselves? I can't imagine being so up myself that someone with a different opinion is out of hand and needs a higher power. Now he's got somewhere else to play that's so much better, why doesn't he just go? I reckon he'll miss us, or miss feeling superior about us. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL Dear Yahoo-Groups Guideline Police: I have long pleaded for a higher power to come in here and help clean this place up. I welcome your arrival. Hopefully you can help us mediate and even help revive all that was once really good about FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. I am one of the longest surviving original members of this forum and well know its ways. I am actually on of the few FFL member participants on the ground here in Fairfield, Iowa and I should be glad to be of administrative assistance for you if you need help controlling this out-of-hand group. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear RD; Good Point RD, the ruse of these apostates trying to come back 'to save' people reads much more now like the harassment of a people who are otherwise comfortable having dealt with their own moral dissonances within their own community in their own terms to their own spiritual ends. Who are these neganauts to interfere with the internal affairs of others any way? It seems incredibly arrogant on their part to come in here and try to methodically disturb people's peace. It seems now quite a hateful and shocking harassment to use such defamatory language the way they do. Having learned their own particular histories as they have related them on FFL through time then sympathetically when considering these guys as sources of anything spiritual they are quite pitiable really. It is a shame that their abuse of the unguarded cultural openness of this community has allowed them to take over the flower that was FFL with their negativity and erode off our our more seasoned reasoned and experienced membership. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa raunchydog wrote : Barry, your recent use of crude language and imagery for the sake of pushing buttons is just an escalation of your usual MO, which I usually respond to by making fun of you. What I find funny is your delusion that inventing an offensive straw-man (offensive to any normal human being) in order to push true believer buttons will somehow expose and perhaps liberate them from TMO/MMY delusions. You never seem to get is how people respond to you is about your offensive behavior, period. Apart from the fact that IMO you are a narcissistic, self-righteous, self-aggrandizing human being, your failed mission to wake up perceived cultists from *your* cult nightmare IS NOT WORKING. You cannot fix whatever hurts from cults you have experienced in the past by projecting unresolved pain onto others. Granted, implying the police ought to investigate you as a child abuser is a bridge too far. Let's just say you brought it on yourself and leave it at that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Excellent. I really felt for you sitting there all that time, I got to stroll about, wash the car, cook dinner and have a bath while all those divine revelations where going on, and all you got was a folding chair. But I'm glad they provided goats cheese as sustenance. It must have helped the recovery. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu. No one has seen God over there.(this came out in the questions) He was Plato and Pythagoras and Mark Twain (who would have NONE of this if you ask me) He was a bunch of other famous people and ONE servant to a famous person. (nice humble touch but too little too late IMO) There was a lot of discussion about who was who in the Bible through many incarnations.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
I love that story as it is so contradictory... I mean, periods of silence = talking out loud... In which spiritual tradition? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : So you think that Maharishi spoke through whathisname? When people talked about Maharishi channeling Gurudev when he gave a lecture on Gurudev's behalf (at the request of the living guru, mind you), they didn't mean in the sense of a Western spiritual medium, as far as I know, but in the sense of having absorbed the message so well that it was like listening to the original speak. A subtle, but important distinction, I think. I know many in the TMO who firmly believe that Marshy channelled Guru Dev after he died. The story goes that during his periods of silence TWO voices could be heard in M's room, one was the reesh and the other [shock horror] was SBS - unless he was talking to the pizza delivery guy about bringing him a newspaper and a movie next time. People love this stuff, it's a link between someone they like to think of as perfectly humble and someone they respect ultimately. It's divine blessing for whatever Marshy said in his 12th Jan address. The rest of them thought that what he said was perfect anyway and would spend years justifying it and looking back to see why he was right. Maybe Marshy could speak to us via George Hammond every Jan 12th and we could start the fun again. I'll get my sleeping bag ready L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : That talk was spiritually inspired. Worth taking note of, -Buck rick wrote : This is starting in a little while: http://www.30thnovember.com/live/ http://www.30thnovember.com/live/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : I love that story as it is so contradictory... I mean, periods of silence = talking out loud... In which spiritual tradition? In the wibbly-wobbly world of TM organisation I guess But people believe it and tell me. I don't make it up, honest! I wonder how long it would take to sort out every contradiction in the TMO? Marshy didn't believe in re-incarnation - or so he frequently said - but there he was last night telling us about all his previous incarnations! One doesn't know what to think any more. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote : So you think that Maharishi spoke through whathisname? When people talked about Maharishi channeling Gurudev when he gave a lecture on Gurudev's behalf (at the request of the living guru, mind you), they didn't mean in the sense of a Western spiritual medium, as far as I know, but in the sense of having absorbed the message so well that it was like listening to the original speak. A subtle, but important distinction, I think. I know many in the TMO who firmly believe that Marshy channelled Guru Dev after he died. The story goes that during his periods of silence TWO voices could be heard in M's room, one was the reesh and the other [shock horror] was SBS - unless he was talking to the pizza delivery guy about bringing him a newspaper and a movie next time. People love this stuff, it's a link between someone they like to think of as perfectly humble and someone they respect ultimately. It's divine blessing for whatever Marshy said in his 12th Jan address. The rest of them thought that what he said was perfect anyway and would spend years justifying it and looking back to see why he was right. Maybe Marshy could speak to us via George Hammond every Jan 12th and we could start the fun again. I'll get my sleeping bag ready L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : That talk was spiritually inspired. Worth taking note of, -Buck rick wrote : This is starting in a little while: http://www.30thnovember.com/live/ http://www.30thnovember.com/live/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You did such a good job of commenting on your notes, Curtis, that I thought I'd go back to one of mine. Early on, one of the things I noticed is that George was such a TB that he didn't seem to have any problem with how CREEPY one of the things he wants us to believe about Maharishi is. That is, that he spent two years after he'd figured out that he was dead but not a drop returned to the ocean like he'd expected to be STALKING his early students and looking over their shoulders at everything they were doing. To George, this is somehow comforting. To others brought up more on classic Tibetan tales of the angry ghost stage of the Bardo, it is a bit less so. No wonder so many TMer get off on stalking. Like teacher, like student. Clearly the early teachers are feeling left out and reckon they could be doing a better job than the talentless zombies that are running things at the moment, they've all got so little charisma themselves they've had to buy it in from David Lynch! I think there should be a new/old movement with George at the helm and it would do well as he could channel Marshy and get back up from Allah and Jehovah where necessary. Talk about getting it straight from the horses mouth! No need for old tapes any more and the embarrassment of the Marshy channel. This is cutting edge spirituality. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You did such a good job of commenting on your notes, Curtis, that I thought I'd go back to one of mine. Early on, one of the things I noticed is that George was such a TB that he didn't seem to have any problem with how CREEPY one of the things he wants us to believe about Maharishi is. That is, that he spent two years after he'd figured out that he was dead but not a drop returned to the ocean like he'd expected to be STALKING his early students and looking over their shoulders at everything they were doing. To George, this is somehow comforting. To others brought up more on classic Tibetan tales of the angry ghost stage of the Bardo, it is a bit less so. No wonder so many TMer get off on stalking. Like teacher, like student. Clearly the early teachers are feeling left out and reckon they could be doing a better job than the talentless zombies that are running things at the moment, they've all got so little charisma themselves they've had to buy it in from David Lynch! I think there should be a new/old movement with George at the helm and it would do well as he could channel Marshy and get back up from Allah and Jehovah where necessary. Talk about getting it straight from the horses mouth! No need for old tapes any more and the embarrassment of the Marshy channel. This is cutting edge spirituality. I think they ought to go *really* cutting edge and skip all this old-fashioned giving-lectures-to-people-in-meeting-rooms shit. THE MOVEMENT, as described by George, are clearly the spiritual rock stars of the universe, so *that's what they should be*. Skip the small shit, form a band, hire some roadies, and take their act directly to the stadiums. In America, because most people wouldn't give a shit about Maharishi and Guru Dev, the front man would clearly have to be Jesus: This guy could be Jehovah / Allah: And don't write this off as a bad idea without giving it some thought. After all, it's been done before: From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : You did such a good job of commenting on your notes, Curtis, that I thought I'd go back to one of mine. Early on, one of the things I noticed is that George was such a TB that he didn't seem to have any problem with how CREEPY one of the things he wants us to believe about Maharishi is. That is, that he spent two years after he'd figured out that he was dead but not a drop returned to the ocean like he'd expected to be STALKING his early students and looking over their shoulders at everything they were doing. To George, this is somehow comforting. To others brought up more on classic Tibetan tales of the angry ghost stage of the Bardo, it is a bit less so. No wonder so many TMer get off on stalking. Like teacher, like student. Clearly the early teachers are feeling left out and reckon they could be doing a better job than the talentless zombies that are running things at the moment, they've all got so little charisma themselves they've had to buy it in from David Lynch! I think there should be a new/old movement with George at the helm and it would do well as he could channel Marshy and get back up from Allah and Jehovah where necessary. Talk about getting it straight from the horses mouth! No need for old tapes any more and the embarrassment of the Marshy channel. This is cutting edge spirituality. I think they ought to go *really* cutting edge and skip all this old-fashioned giving-lectures-to-people-in-meeting-rooms shit. THE MOVEMENT, as described by George, are clearly the spiritual rock stars of the universe, so *that's what they should be*. Skip the small shit, form a band, hire some roadies, and take their act directly to the stadiums. In America, because most people wouldn't give a shit about Maharishi and Guru Dev, the front man would clearly have to be Jesus: This guy could be Jehovah / Allah: And don't write this off as a bad idea without giving it some thought. After all, it's been done before: Cool! I'll be a roadie so I can get close to the source. Who would want to miss out? First album: All the old dudes. I think the heffalump deity on the left should play drums [Sorry Bhairitu] as he's got a natural advantage for doing triplets and tambourine work. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Live Stream | 30th November
This guy is a self indulgent whacko. He was Marshy's daddy in a past life? What
a bunch of bullshit.This guy has no credibility at all.
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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Live Stream | 30th November
Yes, yes this Hammond guy evidently is plugged in. A werkzeuge in the Western
spiritual sense of spiritual medium. Quite different than just some entity
spirit possession as channeling or someone else seeming to know someone's
thoughts so well. Listen to him through it all. -Buck in the Dome
LEnglish5 wrote :
So you think that Maharishi spoke through whathisname?
When people talked about Maharishi channeling Gurudev when he gave a lecture on
Gurudev's behalf (at the request of the living guru, mind you), they didn't
mean in the sense of a Western spiritual medium, as far as I know, but in the
sense of having absorbed the message so well that it was like listening to the
original speak.
A subtle, but important distinction, I think.
-L
Thattalk was spiritually inspired.
Worth taking note of, -Buck
rick wrote :
This is starting in a little while:http://www.30thnovember.com/live/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Ha ha! That is an even better example - I should have thought of that one first. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself! But I can't help thinking they'd all be more at odds with each other.The eastern and western religions really were different, the old testament god was a total wanker, vindictive and merciless. And the eastern ones were all fundamentalist, caste based anti-feminist fatalists. When did it all change, how come they are like a big new age happy family? They'd be smiting each other as badly as they used to do us. I'm starting to smell a rat If only he'd given the Scientologists
[FairfieldLife] Hammond's Horseshit
My friend Bill watched the entire video. For anyone who cares here is his synopsis, with a few of his comments. Bear in mind he is not only a long term TM'er he is a devout Christian too. I watched the whole thing. They showed Jerry Jarvis inthe audience at one point. Lots of grey heads. Here are the notes Itook: He sums up the Old Testament as the prophetic approachof increasing belief didn't work out as well as Jehovah had hoped, so herecruited Jesus and Maharishi (as John the Baptist) to do the Jesusproject. (unfortunately the whole OT prophesies the coming of Jesusand his suffering, so that doesn't make sense) He says that Jesus' main message was You can overcomeyour fear of death through virtue. You can become good enough, strongenough inside not to be afraid of death. (There is a real continuity of the message in the NT,and it doesn't have anything to do with that. That teaching was theteaching of the Pharisees and Saducees, which Jesus soundly denounced) It was Paul that hijacked the movement and created the idea that the death ofChrist was a sacrifice that covered people's sins. (again, this is prophesiedin the OT and taught uniformly by all of the NT writers)So everyone gave up on this project except Mohammed. (A lotof this is just a who reincarnated as who, ear candy for those who are lookingfor it.) (All of this is a logical extension of Vedanta, but when youlook at the details it comes up as a self indulgent fantasy, a grand fiction, ahuge effort to pull things together. This is the same kind of stuff Igot from Jerry Jarvis in my phone conversations with him.) Hammond gives the conclusion of the Committee -Jesus, Jehovah, Shankara, MMY, etc, about 10 people - and this is thinlyveiled extrapolation of Hammond's knowledge of spiritual cosmology. This guy is very articulate, and seems like he is a very strong personality. Greatpotential as a new cult leader. He says some people know him as a philosopher. So he has knowledge of Vedanta and the history of philosophy. His talk addresses a lot of the problems that have beenobserved when people try to use Vedanta as a basis for living incommunity. He talks a lot about how people become self absorbed, and theyfail to learn how to live harmoniously with each other. He was picked for this role as spokesman for the Committee because he was MMY's father in a pervious live, his name was Brighu. MMYwas annoyed with his father because he died and never came back to tell himthat he didn't merge with the absolute. So it was out of a complaint ofhis parenting skills. So he asked him to do it to make up for making thismistake as a parent. In previous lives he was also Joseph, son of Isaac,who was sold into Egypt. He was Pythagoras, Plato, Jeremiah the prophet,Andrew the Apostle, Thomas Moore, Mark Twain. (This is sounding like a new version of Claire Prophet). Lets not try to tell stories any more. Jehovah had to admit that he liedto the Jews about cosmology, that the Judeo Christian tradition was just onegrand failed experiment. Here is the consensus of the committee: -lets not inspire anyone any more with false stories, lets just use rationalexplanations. No person has ever merged with the absolute, this enticinggoal has never been experienced by anyone. So no more rules, no more commandments, no more behavioralsuggestions. No rules about sex. It is neutral. You bring toit any value you want. You will not be punished for anything you do inthis life in the spiritual realm - you may have to deal with consequences fromothers, but not in the spiritual realm. What is eternal? Change is eternal. Matter iseternal. Our individual personalities are eternal. He debunksMartin Luther's assertion that man must live by faith alone, as if this wasMartin Luther's idea. So what are the messages from MMY and the committee? MMY wants these messages to get out right away: - fear is ignorance. Never be afraid that anything canhappen to your eternal self.- to listen to Hammond's explanations about whattranscendence is and how he now says TM actually works.- there is no reason to be worried about ruining the purityof the teaching. You don't have that power. All the leaders of the Holy Tradition agree now that all therules that they created about keeping the purity of the teaching are now gone,because they just created fear. (No wonder Jerry Jarvis in on board withthis.) These rules are now being used by people to intimidateothers. It is better to have an adulterated teaching that is free of fearthan the current teaching. - when you close your eyes and your mind is filled withlight, then you no longer need TM or any other technique - What makes TM work? Does the Puja give you enoughshakti to impart the technique? No. This is what MMY taught, but the bottom line is this - ifyou go within with a person that is not afraid of going within, they learn tonot fear what is within, that is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
salyavin, that wibbly-wobbly made me smile. As for reincarnation, it's not that
Maharishi didn't believe in it. It's that
he wanted to help people get out of that cycle.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:37 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
I love that story as it is so contradictory...
I mean, periods of silence = talking out loud...
In which spiritual tradition?
In the wibbly-wobbly world of TM organisation I guess
But people believe it and tell me. I don't make it up, honest!
I wonder how long it would take to sort out every contradiction in the TMO?
Marshy didn't believe in re-incarnation - or so he frequently said - but there
he was last night telling us about all his previous incarnations! One doesn't
know what to think any more.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, LEnglish5@... wrote :
So you think that Maharishi spoke through whathisname?
When people talked about Maharishi channeling Gurudev when he gave a lecture on
Gurudev's behalf (at the request of the living guru, mind you), they didn't
mean in the sense of a Western spiritual medium, as far as I know, but in the
sense of having absorbed the message so well that it was like listening to the
original speak.
A subtle, but important distinction, I think.
I know many in the TMO who firmly believe that Marshy channelled Guru Dev after
he died.
The story goes that during his periods of silence TWO voices could be heard in
M's room, one was the reesh and the other [shock horror] was SBS - unless he
was talking to the pizza delivery guy about bringing him a newspaper and a
movie next time.
People love this stuff, it's a link between someone they like to think of as
perfectly humble and someone they respect ultimately. It's divine blessing for
whatever Marshy said in his 12th Jan address. The rest of them thought that
what he said was perfect anyway and would spend years justifying it and looking
back to see why he was right.
Maybe Marshy could speak to us via George Hammond every Jan 12th and we could
start the fun again. I'll get my sleeping bag ready
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote :
Thattalk was spiritually inspired.
Worth taking note of, -Buck
rick wrote :
This is starting in a little while:http://www.30thnovember.com/live/
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself! But I can't help thinking they'd all be more at odds with each other.The eastern and western religions really were different, the old testament god was a total wanker, vindictive and merciless. And the eastern ones were all fundamentalist, caste based anti-feminist fatalists. When did it all change, how come they are like a big new age happy family? They'd be smiting each other as badly as they used to do us. I'm starting to smell a rat If only he'd given the Scientologists a message from Xenu. Then we'd know he was in touch with the Great Ones and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL
On 11/30/2014 8:28 PM, dhamiltony wrote: Dear Yahoo-Groups Guideline Police: I have long pleaded for a higher power to come in here and help clean this place up. At the founding of this discussion group, Rick set up a rule that the posting of pornography would not be tolerated, either by text, images or links. This rule has been broken on numerous occasions in the past few days. If corrections are not taken, we must assume that the rule has been changed and we therefore deserve an explanation from the moderator. Instead of calling the police, Buck, it would probably be better to appeal to the moderators to do their jobs and just send out a warning message to the perpetrators to remind them of their obligation when they signed the the group member agreement: *FFL Guidelines: */ //1) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate tone. Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive venting. Speak the truth that is sweet is a worthy aspiration. If angry, take some time to gain composure before writing or pushing the send button./* * /8) Posting of adult material, either text or photos, or links to such materials, is prohibited. Violation of this guideline may result in expulsion from the group./ . I welcome your arrival. Hopefully you can help us mediate and even help revive all that was once really good about FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. I am one of the longest surviving original members of this forum and well know its ways. I am actually on of the few FFL member participants on the ground here in Fairfield, Iowa and I should be glad to be of administrative assistance for you if you need help controlling this out-of-hand group. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Maybe now is the time to remind all respondents that this is supposed to be a family-oriented forum. If the posting of objectionable material persists, the Yahoo Administrators may have cause to reclassify the FFL group as an adult site and give it XXX rating. This would be very embarrassing, to say the least, and could result in further actions - it is unlawful to post adult material to a family-oriented Yahoo Group. *Yahoo Groups Guidelines:* /1) Don't violate the law. Members of Yahoo! communities are not above the law, so don't post anything that violates the laws of your country, state, province, or city. // // //2) Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting. If you wouldn't say it in public or with a group of friends, don't post it./ Dear RD; Good Point RD, the ruse of these apostates trying to come back 'to save' people reads much more now like the harassment of a people who are otherwise comfortable having dealt with their own moral dissonances within their own community in their own terms to their own spiritual ends. Who are these neganauts to interfere with the internal affairs of others any way? It seems incredibly arrogant on their part to come in here and try to methodically disturb people's peace. It seems now quite a hateful and shocking harassment to use such defamatory language the way they do. Having learned their own particular histories as they have related them on FFL through time then sympathetically when considering these guys as sources of anything spiritual they are quite pitiable really. It is a shame that their abuse of the unguarded cultural openness of this community has allowed them to take over the flower that was FFL with their negativity and erode off our our more seasoned reasoned and experienced membership. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa raunchydog wrote : Barry, your recent use of crude language and imagery for the sake of pushing buttons is just an escalation of your usual MO, which I usually respond to by making fun of you. What I find funny is your delusion that inventing an offensive straw-man (offensive to any normal human being) in order to push true believer buttons will somehow expose and perhaps liberate them from TMO/MMY delusions. You never seem to get is how people respond to you is about your offensive behavior, period. Apart from the fact that IMO you are a narcissistic, self-righteous, self-aggrandizing human being, your failed mission to wake up perceived cultists from *your* cult nightmare IS NOT WORKING. You cannot fix whatever hurts from cults you have experienced in the past by projecting unresolved pain onto others. Granted, implying the police ought to investigate you as a child abuser is a bridge too far. Let's just say you brought it on yourself and leave it at that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick - Stop The Abuse, was, Words of Wisdom...
On 11/30/2014 9:00 PM, Share Long wrote: I remember two times when the camera zoomed in on Jerry in the audience. Once he had his eyes closed and once he looked like he was listening very intently. /Jerry Jarvis was my initiator at the first SIMS course back in 1967. / WRT Seraphita, I simply meant that you referred to me as the only woman left on FFL. /Seraphita gender has not been established, and it matters not anyway - everyone should be offended at the recent graphic image posted by Salya - he should apologize to the entire group, if he has any sense of decency. Or, the moderators should post a warning to him at least that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated./ Hopefully I'll get a chance tomorrow to post my notes. /At present this would probably be a waste of time and effort on FFL - you would probably make better use of your time by posting this information to The Peak or some other TM oriented Yahoo forum. This forum is no longer friendly to TMers - in fact, it is hostile. You're much too good to be posting here, Share./ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:28 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick - Stop The Abuse, was, Words of Wisdom... On 11/30/2014 8:00 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, what about Seraphita? I've got no problem with the Seraphita, Share. It's some of the other informants that I have a problem with for posting offensive comments to the group showing their gender bias and for attempting to turn the forum into an discussion suitable only for adults. I can ignore most of the abusive personal comments, but my ex-wife in California has forbidden two of my minor grandchildren from reading this site, due to the graphic nature of some of their comments and posting of sexually explicit images and at times, perverted comments. This is supposed to be a family-oriented site, not a place to post pornography. Rick and Alex know I am in the right on this - I don't know why they are ignoring my requests to stop the abuse. If Rick continues to ignore my request to warn the offenders to desist, he will leave me with no other recourse than to alert and forward to the Yahoo Administrators copies of the offending posts along with a request that this forum be reclassified as an adult only group. All I am asking is a response and for the respondents to show some common decency - seriously, is that too much to ask? Anyway, did you get a chance to listen to the George Hammond presentation? No, but I am waiting for a full report from my initiator, Jerry Jarvis. snip
[FairfieldLife] Serial Liars, was Live Stream | 30th November
On 11/30/2014 11:35 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */In retrospect who he reminds me of the most in terms of the fluidity of his delivery and his seeming honest comfort with the outrageous stories he's telling is Carlos Castaneda. When I met him, he was exactly the same way -- so sure of himself and so fluid in the way he described don Juan and the magical things that went on around him that you felt you almost *had* to believe it. /* /Other experiences I would place in this category would be firsthand witnessing of the siddhis. Things like invisibility, true levitation (sitting or walking on air for long periods of time), etc. I worked with a guy who did that stuff. Big whoop. I knew then and I know now that the ability to do these things has nothing whatsoever to do with whether one is enlightened or not. But witnessing these phenomena is a real hoot, and much, much more./ From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Re: Meditation that is Transcendental Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-07-24 13:29:48 PST http://tinyurl.com/kn9fmol */ /* */Then later I learned more about Carlos. Turns out that there was strong evidence of him being a serial liar and psychopathic liar all of his life. It was a pattern that was already present long before he came to the US to study at UCLA. In gaining his original student status he'd lied about his original name, where he came from in South America, and failed to mention that he'd abandoned a wife and kid there. /*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your opinion, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to look, so he's welcome to waste his life nagging at me, it bothers me not one jot. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/30/2014 9:44 AM, Share Longwrote: dearRichard, I'll really miss you. Thank you for all thelaughter and knowledge and good you've brought into mylife. all the best always to you and Rita and your wholefamily,Share Thanks. Maybe you should considersubscribing to The Peak. From:'Richard J. Williams' punditster@...[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Monday, November 17, 2014 11:16 AM Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On11/17/2014 9:58 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, Itried this last night but didn'tnotice anything different. Maybe cuzI didn't sit up in bed when I didit? And I forgot to do it thismorning. Nonetheless, will soldieron, thanks again for posting. Thetechnique may not work for justanyone. Apparently MMY dropped usingthis technique himself for somereason, but I found it quiteenjoyable. People usually think thoughts justbefore going to sleep but quite oftenthey are just random thinking withoutany direction. Until I was taught the NightTechnique by Satyanand, I usedanother technique that I developedmyself - you simply think of somethingpositive to look forward to the nextday and then slip into sleep. It works too, but not as well. Thereis something about the directed soundvibration than is a subtle relaxingfeeling with the bija mantra - LayaYoga while you sleep. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday, November 16,2014 8:20 AM Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife]Lucid-dreaming query On 11/15/2014 5:22 PM,s3raphitawrote: So last night I had alucidexperiencewhile dreaming(it's happeneda few timesbefore -alwaysinvoluntary asI've neverbothered tofollow thetechniquesrecommended bydevotees ofthisperception).At least Iassume it wasa lucid-dreamexperience - Isuppose onecould have anormal dreamwhich includedthe falsethought thatone was lucidwhen in factone wasn't (ifyou can followthatexplanation).What's more, Iwoke up (forreal), musedabout thedream for aminute, thenfell asleepagain andimmediatelywent back intothe same dreamlandscape inthe sameself-conscious,lucid state.Now I'd heard thatwhen in alucid dreamyou can alterthedreamscapeto suityourself. Soyou might findit amusing toflip over intobeing a Zeropilot on akamikazemission anddiving intothe GoldenDome inFairfield.Whateverfloats yourboat. Anyway,though I waslucidlyself-awarethat I wasindeeddreaming Icouldn'tchange thestorynarrationunfoldingbefore me sojust left thedream to runits coursewhileabsorbing thenovelexperience.Myquestion is:is there sometrick togetting thedream tochange to suityour whim oris it a caseof practicemakes perfect?Or maybe mostlucid dreamsare like mine?Or maybe mywill power isfeeblecompared withmy imaginativepower andothers have amore dominantwill? Thetrick is topractice aLaya Yogatechnique welearned fromSatyanand: Whenyou are readyfor sleep youjust sit up inbed and thenlet your bijamantra rest atthe heartchakra for afew minutes.That way, thesubtlecurrents fromyourIstadevatawill permeateyour entirebeing whileyou sleep.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick - Stop The Abuse, was, Words of Wisdom...
Thanks, Richard and my hope is that you enjoy a group that sees all the
goodness in you that I see. I did feel sad this morning when there were mainly
a bunch of posts from turq and salyavin. So I took a peek at The Peak. My
conclusion: the Hatfield and the McCoys are better together than apart! imho
(-: From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick - Stop The Abuse, was, Words of Wisdom...
On 11/30/2014 9:00 PM, Share Long wrote:
I remember two times when the camera zoomed in on Jerry in the audience.
Once he had his eyes closed and once he looked like he was listening very
intently.
Jerry Jarvis was my initiator at the first SIMS course back in 1967.
WRT Seraphita, I simply meant that you referred to me as the only woman left
on FFL.
Seraphita gender has not been established, and it matters not anyway -
everyone should be offended at the recent graphic image posted by Salya - he
should apologize to the entire group, if he has any sense of decency. Or, the
moderators should post a warning to him at least that this kind of behavior
will not be tolerated.
Hopefully I'll get a chance tomorrow to post my notes.
At present this would probably be a waste of time and effort on FFL - you
would probably make better use of your time by posting this information to The
Peak or some other TM oriented Yahoo forum. This forum is no longer friendly to
TMers - in fact, it is hostile.
You're much too good to be posting here, Share.
From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick - Stop The Abuse, was, Words of Wisdom...
On 11/30/2014 8:00 PM, Share Long wrote:
Richard, what about Seraphita?
I've got no problem with the Seraphita, Share.
It's some of the other informants that I have a problem with for posting
offensive comments to the group showing their gender bias and for
attempting to turn the forum into an discussion suitable only for
adults. I can ignore most of the abusive personal comments, but my
ex-wife in California has forbidden two of my minor grandchildren from
reading this site, due to the graphic nature of some of their comments
and posting of sexually explicit images and at times, perverted comments.
This is supposed to be a family-oriented site, not a place to post
pornography.
Rick and Alex know I am in the right on this - I don't know why they are
ignoring my requests to stop the abuse. If Rick continues to ignore my
request to warn the offenders to desist, he will leave me with no other
recourse than to alert and forward to the Yahoo Administrators copies of
the offending posts along with a request that this forum be reclassified
as an adult only group.
All I am asking is a response and for the respondents to show some
common decency - seriously, is that too much to ask?
Anyway, did you get a chance to listen to the George Hammond
presentation?
No, but I am waiting for a full report from my initiator, Jerry Jarvis.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Dear Rick
On 11/30/2014 11:41 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I hear that Willy has *his* own porn site, and this is one of his favorite pics: :-)/* If Rick has any integrity, Barry Wright will be banned from posting to FFL for posting porn as text AND linked images. Rick? */Ah, but can you teach a prairie dog (or at the very least, a prairie dog...uh...lover) new tricks? :-)/* If Barry had any integrity, he would just apologize to the group and then dialog like a Gentleman. This is probably impossible for Barry, considering his present state of mind. Go figure. */Good point about his trolling standing out now that the other serial haters have moved on.../* The only thing that stands out now is Barry's ego. The term /'Internet Troll'/ is frequently abused to slander opponents in heated debates and is frequently misapplied by those who are ignorant of Internet etiquette.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your opinion, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. He should join Jim's group and see if he can rediscover his personality before it's too late. But actually conversing requires thinking and that takes effort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to look, so he's welcome to waste his life nagging at me, it bothers me not one jot. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/30/2014 9:44 AM, Share Long wrote: dear Richard, I'll really miss you. Thank you for all the laughter and knowledge and good you've brought into my life. all the best always to you and Rita and your whole family, Share Thanks. Maybe you should consider subscribing to The Peak. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/17/2014 9:58 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I tried this last night but didn't notice anything different. Maybe cuz I didn't sit up in bed when I did it? And I forgot to do it this morning. Nonetheless, will soldier on, thanks again for posting. The technique may not work for just anyone. Apparently MMY dropped using this technique himself for some reason, but I found it quite enjoyable. People usually think thoughts just before going to sleep but quite often they are just random thinking without any direction. Until I was taught the Night Technique by Satyanand, I used another technique that I developed myself - you simply think of something positive to look forward to the next day and then slip into sleep. It works too, but not as well. There is something about the directed sound vibration than is a subtle relaxing feeling with the bija mantra - Laya Yoga while you sleep. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/15/2014 5:22 PM, s3raphita wrote: So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one
[FairfieldLife] Hagelin's Response
My advanced psychic powers are enabling me to see that even now Little Johnnie Hagelin is composing a response to George Hammond's self indulgent 3 hour spiritual fantasy. To All Recertified Governors of the TM Movement: We, the leadership of the TM Movement are aware of the presentation of our good friend George Hammond. We feel that we must respond to certain points of his very nice presentation. First, if you are a recertified Governor, it was not a good thing for you to be in that room. If you watched it online, that was not a good thing either. You should not have done such a thing. You have created some very bad karma for yourself. If you did so (and we have a list of names of those of you who were there) you would be well advised to take steps to mitigate such karma. The best way to alleviate this karma will be to make a donation to the Maharishi Yagya Programme, of which I am the head honcho. The donation needs to be at least $10,000, US. If you are a Recertified Governor of modest means, you can make monthly payments till the karma is paid off. If you were watching this broadcast and were not a recertified Governor and would one day like to become recertified, you will need to make a $20,000 donation to the yagya programme. As to our friend Mr. Hammond's words, be advised that you absolutely MUST do puja when teaching TM. In essence, everything Hammond said is nonsense, except for the part about there being no rules for sexual behavior. That one I do agree with. I would write more, but we have a new batch of nubile female students coming on campus and I have to go make my selection, er, um I mean I need to go be a good ambassador to these lovely ladies. So Jai Guru Dev and go ahead and make out those checks to the yagya programme!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL
On 12/1/2014 1:24 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I kinda figured this would happen. I've always assumed that most of this complaining that they were driven away from FFL and forced to migrate to the Let Us Be Boring Together group was 1) mere posturing, and 2) a veritable case study in lack of self-knowledge. /* /Maybe they just want to be friends./ */They just made a pretense of stalking off in a snit and being persecuted, but anyone who has been watching the actual traffic here knows that the folks who left for the gentle speech group (and especially its founder) were some of the most volatile creators of vile-speak FFL has ever seen./* /Barry sounds kind of concerned about some friends starting their own discussion group without him. Go figure. / */My bet? They'll be back. /* /* *//Barry seems to be running out of targets. My bet is that his next target will be Share and the other Barry. Maybe we should start a contest to see who can predict who Barry will attack next. / */(You'll notice that none of them seem to have actually unsubscribed from FFL.) /* / Barry seems to be the only informant that has checked this out. Maybe Barry has a list. Go figure. * */ */They'll miss being able to get up on their high and might pulpits and dump on the people they don't like, and they've boxed themselves in on the new group so they can't do it there without being laughed out of Yahoo Group Town, so they'll do drive-bys on FFL just to get their rocks off by complaining about the people they feel superior to. /* / OMG! Is Barry implying that someone doesn't like him? * */ */ /* */Buck is just the first example of one of them doing that. There will be more.../* / So, how would Barry be knowing that Buck left and then came back to FFL? * */ *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 3:28 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL Dear Yahoo-Groups Guideline Police: I have long pleaded for a higher power to come in here and help clean this place up. I welcome your arrival. Hopefully you can help us mediate and even help revive all that was once really good about FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. I am one of the longest surviving original members of this forum and well know its ways. I am actually on of the few FFL member participants on the ground here in Fairfield, Iowa and I should be glad to be of administrative assistance for you if you need help controlling this out-of-hand group. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear RD; Good Point RD, the ruse of these apostates trying to come back 'to save' people reads much more now like the harassment of a people who are otherwise comfortable having dealt with their own moral dissonances within their own community in their own terms to their own spiritual ends. Who are these neganauts to interfere with the internal affairs of others any way? It seems incredibly arrogant on their part to come in here and try to methodically disturb people's peace. It seems now quite a hateful and shocking harassment to use such defamatory language the way they do. Having learned their own particular histories as they have related them on FFL through time then sympathetically when considering these guys as sources of anything spiritual they are quite pitiable really. It is a shame that their abuse of the unguarded cultural openness of this community has allowed them to take over the flower that was FFL with their negativity and erode off our our more seasoned reasoned and experienced membership. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa raunchydog wrote : Barry, your recent use of crude language and imagery for the sake of pushing buttons is just an escalation of your usual MO, which I usually respond to by making fun of you. What I find funny is your delusion that inventing an offensive straw-man (offensive to any normal human being) in order to push true believer buttons will somehow expose and perhaps liberate them from TMO/MMY delusions. You never seem to get is how people respond to you is about your offensive behavior, period. Apart from the fact that IMO you are a narcissistic, self-righteous, self-aggrandizing human being, your failed mission to wake up perceived cultists from *your* cult nightmare IS NOT WORKING. You cannot fix whatever hurts from cults you have experienced in the past by projecting unresolved pain onto others. Granted, implying the police ought to investigate you as a child abuser is a bridge too far. Let's just say you brought it on yourself and leave it at that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response
For sure, the upper echelon of the movement likely watched the whole thing, as it does have the potential to affect the bottom line and fragment the movement. For me, I saw about 30 seconds of the presentation and went to lunch, so I am just relying on what others here have said Hammond said. As soon as a spiritual leader dies, and sometimes even before, the nutters are free to take wing, and the fragmentation and disintegration of whatever that teacher taught begins among the followers. It is just the way it happens. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : My advanced psychic powers are enabling me to see that even now Little Johnnie Hagelin is composing a response to George Hammond's self indulgent 3 hour spiritual fantasy. To All Recertified Governors of the TM Movement: We, the leadership of the TM Movement are aware of the presentation of our good friend George Hammond. We feel that we must respond to certain points of his very nice presentation. First, if you are a recertified Governor, it was not a good thing for you to be in that room. If you watched it online, that was not a good thing either. You should not have done such a thing. You have created some very bad karma for yourself. If you did so (and we have a list of names of those of you who were there) you would be well advised to take steps to mitigate such karma. The best way to alleviate this karma will be to make a donation to the Maharishi Yagya Programme, of which I am the head honcho. The donation needs to be at least $10,000, US. If you are a Recertified Governor of modest means, you can make monthly payments till the karma is paid off. If you were watching this broadcast and were not a recertified Governor and would one day like to become recertified, you will need to make a $20,000 donation to the yagya programme. As to our friend Mr. Hammond's words, be advised that you absolutely MUST do puja when teaching TM. In essence, everything Hammond said is nonsense, except for the part about there being no rules for sexual behavior. That one I do agree with. I would write more, but we have a new batch of nubile female students coming on campus and I have to go make my selection, er, um I mean I need to go be a good ambassador to these lovely ladies. So Jai Guru Dev and go ahead and make out those checks to the yagya programme!
[FairfieldLife] Buck, is this true?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: For those still interested in the Rosetta mission
It would have been a boon if the lander had landed upright and attached itself to the comet so when the comet approached the sun, it could measure the sublimation of gases from the surface instead of from afar, and measured other surface changes on site. I am not sure photography would have added much beyond the initial landing images, but out-gassing of a comet's tail has been photographed close up before from other spacecraft and this is something the Rosetta orbiter will do because it has a much better viewpoint. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : This is from my friend who works on this project for the ESA: Rosetta continues into its full science phase http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Rosetta_continues_into_its_full_science_phase http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Rosetta_continues_into_its_full_science_phase Rosetta continues into its full science phase http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Rosetta_continues_into_its_full_science_phase With the Philae lander’s mission complete, Rosetta will now continue its own extraordinary exploration, orbiting Comet 67P/Churymov–Gerasimenko during the co... View on www.esa.int http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Operations/Rosetta_continues_into_its_full_science_phase Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
snopes.com: The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp snopes.com: The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp Are farmers saturating wheat crops with Monsanto's Roundup herbicide as a desiccant to facilitate a quicker harvest? View on www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackso...@yahoo.com wrote : The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | The Healthy Home Economist http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | T... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The real reason you need to stop eating toxic wheat even if you don't currently have a wheat or gluten sensitivity. View on www.thehealthyhome... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself! But I can't help thinking they'd all be more at odds with each other.The eastern and western religions really were different, the old testament god was a total wanker, vindictive and merciless. And the eastern ones were all fundamentalist, caste based anti-feminist fatalists. When did it
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response
He said Jai Guru Dev at the end. You can tell he didn't really watch the presentation as we all know we don't have to do that any more. I wonder if anyone other than the top brass in the TMO actually watched it, and if they did I wonder what they thought. I think that even a hardened purusha would have a job believing that all the world's deities exist and are good friends with each other. And that they all speak through George Hammond. Especially with that song at the end. Try as I might I can't see anyone I know actually believing that Marshy would preach through someone other than King Tony. Because they really take his word as gospel just like they used to with the reesh. I bet it's that rather than the fact that he's dead that would stop them though. But I'm mailing in my yagya donation just in case ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : My advanced psychic powers are enabling me to see that even now Little Johnnie Hagelin is composing a response to George Hammond's self indulgent 3 hour spiritual fantasy. To All Recertified Governors of the TM Movement: We, the leadership of the TM Movement are aware of the presentation of our good friend George Hammond. We feel that we must respond to certain points of his very nice presentation. First, if you are a recertified Governor, it was not a good thing for you to be in that room. If you watched it online, that was not a good thing either. You should not have done such a thing. You have created some very bad karma for yourself. If you did so (and we have a list of names of those of you who were there) you would be well advised to take steps to mitigate such karma. The best way to alleviate this karma will be to make a donation to the Maharishi Yagya Programme, of which I am the head honcho. The donation needs to be at least $10,000, US. If you are a Recertified Governor of modest means, you can make monthly payments till the karma is paid off. If you were watching this broadcast and were not a recertified Governor and would one day like to become recertified, you will need to make a $20,000 donation to the yagya programme. As to our friend Mr. Hammond's words, be advised that you absolutely MUST do puja when teaching TM. In essence, everything Hammond said is nonsense, except for the part about there being no rules for sexual behavior. That one I do agree with. I would write more, but we have a new batch of nubile female students coming on campus and I have to go make my selection, er, um I mean I need to go be a good ambassador to these lovely ladies. So Jai Guru Dev and go ahead and make out those checks to the yagya programme!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
He said Jai Guru Dev at the end. You can tell he didn't really watch the
presentation as we all know we don't have to do that any more.
I wonder if anyone other than the top brass in the TMO actually watched it, and
if they did I wonder what they thought. I think that even a hardened purusha
would have a job believing that all the world's deities exist and are good
friends with each other. And that they all speak through George Hammond.
Especially with that song at the end.
Because many of you aren't around young kids and thus forced to watch the
movies they like, I will explain that reference. He set it up at the beginning
of the talk, when he did that riff about it not being necessary to believe all
of this, even if a Big Blue Genie was saying it. Then at the end he did his
rendition of the end of the Friend Like Me song from Aladdin, with the Big
Blue Genie being performed and sung in that film by the late Robin Williams:
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Try as I might I can't see anyone I know actually believing that Marshy would
preach through someone other than King Tony. Because they really take his word
as gospel just like they used to with the reesh. I bet it's that rather than
the fact that he's dead that would stop them though.
But I'm mailing in my yagya donation just in case
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
My advanced psychic powers are enabling me to see that even now Little Johnnie
Hagelin is composing a response to George Hammond's self indulgent 3 hour
spiritual fantasy.
To All Recertified Governors of the TM Movement:
We, the leadership of the TM Movement are aware of the presentation of our good
friend George Hammond. We feel that we must respond to certain points of his
very nice presentation.
First, if you are a recertified Governor, it was not a good thing for you to be
in that room. If you watched it online, that was not a good thing either.
You should not have done such a thing. You have created some very bad karma for
yourself. If you did so (and we have a list of names of those of you who were
there) you would be well advised to take steps to mitigate such karma.
The best way to alleviate this karma will be to make a donation to the
Maharishi Yagya Programme, of which I am the head honcho.
The donation needs to be at least $10,000, US. If you are a Recertified
Governor of modest means, you can make monthly payments till the karma is paid
off.
If you were watching this broadcast and were not a recertified Governor and
would one day like to become recertified, you will need to make a $20,000
donation to the yagya programme.
As to our friend Mr. Hammond's words, be advised that you absolutely MUST do
puja when teaching TM.
In essence, everything Hammond said is nonsense, except for the part about
there being no rules for sexual behavior. That one I do agree with.
I would write more, but we have a new batch of nubile female students coming on
campus and I have to go make my selection, er, um I mean I need to go be a good
ambassador to these lovely ladies.
So Jai Guru Dev and go ahead and make out those checks to the yagya programme!
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[FairfieldLife] Gender Bias, was Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... On 12/1/2014 1:37 AM, salyavin808 wrote: What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? /Probably what obscures her view is that you have not apologized for calling Share the c word. So, she appreciates my demand that you do so. It was very mean for you to do that, Salya. You know that I am right on this. It was mean and derogatory./ /Why don't you just man-up and apologize? //It's not complicated to admit you made a mistake and exhibited your gender bias./ Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? /Non sequitur./ This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! /Non sequitur./ The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to look, so he's welcome to waste his life nagging at me, it bothers me not one jot. /Non sequitur./ /Calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives that are impossible to determine. The term troll is highly subjective, and some posts will look like trolling to some while seeming like meaningful contributions to others./ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/30/2014 9:44 AM, Share Long wrote: dear Richard, I'll really miss you. Thank you for all the laughter and knowledge and good you've brought into my life. all the best always to you and Rita and your whole family, Share /Thanks. Maybe you should consider subscribing to The Peak./ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2014 11:16 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/17/2014 9:58 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I tried this last night but didn't notice anything different. Maybe cuz I didn't sit up in bed when I did it? And I forgot to do it this morning. Nonetheless, will soldier on, thanks again for posting. /The technique may not work for just anyone. Apparently MMY dropped using this technique himself for some reason, but I found it quite enjoyable. People usually think thoughts just before going to sleep but quite often they are just random thinking without any direction. Until I was taught the Night Technique by Satyanand, I used another technique that I developed myself - you simply think of something positive to look forward to the next day and then slip into sleep. It works too, but not as well. There is something about the directed sound vibration than is a subtle relaxing feeling with the bija mantra - Laya Yoga while you sleep./ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/15/2014 5:22 PM, s3raphita wrote: So last night I had a lucid experience while dreaming (it's happened a few times before - always involuntary as I've never bothered to follow the techniques recommended by devotees of this perception). At least I assume it was a lucid-dream experience - I suppose one could have a normal dream which included the false thought that one was lucid when in fact one wasn't (if you can follow that explanation). What's more, I woke up (for real), mused about the dream for a minute, then fell asleep again and immediately went back into the same dream landscape in the same self-conscious, lucid state. Now I'd heard that when in a lucid dream you can alter the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */I kinda figured this would happen. I've always assumed that most of this complaining that they were driven away from FFL and forced to migrate to the Let Us Be Boring Together group was 1) mere posturing, and 2) a veritable case study in lack of self-knowledge. /* */ /* */They just made a pretense of stalking off in a snit and being persecuted, but anyone who has been watching the actual traffic here knows that the folks who left for the gentle speech group (and especially its founder) were some of the most volatile creators of vile-speak FFL has ever seen. /* On 12/1/2014 2:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I always said they should be careful what they wish for. Without people to rag on they'll be bored shitless. / It probably works both ways - if there were no female respondents on the forum, who would you show your gender bias to? It's not so much you made a mistake, but what is really surprising is the approval you seem to have earned for posting it. Why is it that Share and I are the only ones that see it as a gender bias? / */My bet? They'll be back. (You'll notice that none of them seem to have actually unsubscribed from FFL.) They'll miss being able to get up on their high and might pulpits and dump on the people they don't like, and they've boxed themselves in on the new group so they can't do it there without being laughed out of Yahoo Group Town, so they'll do drive-bys on FFL just to get their rocks off by complaining about the people they feel superior to. /* */ /* */Buck is just the first example of one of them doing that. There will be more.../* */ /* Why does Buck think he has to save us from ourselves? I can't imagine being so up myself that someone with a different opinion is out of hand and needs a higher power. Now he's got somewhere else to play that's so much better, why doesn't he just go? /Non sequitur.//If you weren't so up yourself you would have apologized to the whole group for posting the c word. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? / I reckon he'll miss us, or miss feeling superior about us. /Non sequitur./ *From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 3:28 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL Dear Yahoo-Groups Guideline Police: I have long pleaded for a higher power to come in here and help clean this place up. I welcome your arrival. Hopefully you can help us mediate and even help revive all that was once really good about FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. I am one of the longest surviving original members of this forum and well know its ways. I am actually on of the few FFL member participants on the ground here in Fairfield, Iowa and I should be glad to be of administrative assistance for you if you need help controlling this out-of-hand group. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear RD; Good Point RD, the ruse of these apostates trying to come back 'to save' people reads much more now like the harassment of a people who are otherwise comfortable having dealt with their own moral dissonances within their own community in their own terms to their own spiritual ends. Who are these neganauts to interfere with the internal affairs of others any way? It seems incredibly arrogant on their part to come in here and try to methodically disturb people's peace. It seems now quite a hateful and shocking harassment to use such defamatory language the way they do. Having learned their own particular histories as they have related them on FFL through time then sympathetically when considering these guys as sources of anything spiritual they are quite pitiable really. It is a shame that their abuse of the unguarded cultural openness of this community has allowed them to take over the flower that was FFL with their negativity and erode off our our more seasoned reasoned and experienced membership. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa raunchydog wrote : Barry, your recent use of crude language and imagery for the sake of pushing buttons is just an escalation of your usual MO, which I usually respond to by making fun of you. What I find funny is your delusion that inventing an offensive straw-man (offensive to any normal human being) in order to push true believer buttons will somehow expose and perhaps liberate them from TMO/MMY delusions. You never seem to get is how people respond to you is about your offensive behavior, period. Apart from the fact that IMO you are a narcissistic, self-righteous, self-aggrandizing human being, your failed mission to wake up perceived cultists from *your* cult nightmare IS NOT WORKING. You cannot fix whatever hurts from cults you have experienced in the past by projecting unresolved pain onto
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response
Evidently Jerry J believes it
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 9:36 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hagelin's Response
He said Jai Guru Dev at the end. You can tell he didn't really watch the
presentation as we all know we don't have to do that any more.
I wonder if anyone other than the top brass in the TMO actually watched it, and
if they did I wonder what they thought. I think that even a hardened purusha
would have a job believing that all the world's deities exist and are good
friends with each other. And that they all speak through George Hammond.
Especially with that song at the end.
Try as I might I can't see anyone I know actually believing that Marshy would
preach through someone other than King Tony. Because they really take his word
as gospel just like they used to with the reesh. I bet it's that rather than
the fact that he's dead that would stop them though.
But I'm mailing in my yagya donation just in case
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
My advanced psychic powers are enabling me to see that even now Little Johnnie
Hagelin is composing a response to George Hammond's self indulgent 3 hour
spiritual fantasy.
To All Recertified Governors of the TM Movement:
We, the leadership of the TM Movement are aware of the presentation of our good
friend George Hammond. We feel that we must respond to certain points of his
very nice presentation.
First, if you are a recertified Governor, it was not a good thing for you to be
in that room. If you watched it online, that was not a good thing either.
You should not have done such a thing. You have created some very bad karma for
yourself. If you did so (and we have a list of names of those of you who were
there) you would be well advised to take steps to mitigate such karma.
The best way to alleviate this karma will be to make a donation to the
Maharishi Yagya Programme, of which I am the head honcho.
The donation needs to be at least $10,000, US. If you are a Recertified
Governor of modest means, you can make monthly payments till the karma is paid
off.
If you were watching this broadcast and were not a recertified Governor and
would one day like to become recertified, you will need to make a $20,000
donation to the yagya programme.
As to our friend Mr. Hammond's words, be advised that you absolutely MUST do
puja when teaching TM.
In essence, everything Hammond said is nonsense, except for the part about
there being no rules for sexual behavior. That one I do agree with.
I would write more, but we have a new batch of nubile female students coming on
campus and I have to go make my selection, er, um I mean I need to go be a good
ambassador to these lovely ladies.
So Jai Guru Dev and go ahead and make out those checks to the yagya programme!
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
Son, this thread is completely off topic here. As much as you want to drag me back down in to the mud of this forum now with a side excursion like this one you are proposing to take in the place of the serious discussion of spiritual things like FFL could have, I feel to pass on this one so as not to further dilute the soup of what could be substantial discussion on FFL otherwise. Go away to some nutrition forum for you answer to this question and don't waste the time of people on FFL. The trigger of the smoking gun: Roundup/GMO's significantly disrupts the functioning of beneficial bacteria in the gut and contributes to permeability of the intestinal wall and consequent expression of autoimmune disease symptoms - See more at: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/#sthash.rb6dH3kH.dpuf PS, Italians generally have a different threshold of allergic reaction in their guts. It is a cultural thing. Americans are too damned antiseptic in the way they raise their kids now and hence culture over-reactivity in immune systems to too many things now, -Buck [after morning meditation] out standing in his fields feeding livestock near Fairfield, Iowa mjackson74@... wrote : The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | The Healthy Home Economist http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | T... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The real reason you need to stop eating toxic wheat even if you don't currently have a wheat or gluten sensitivity. View on www.thehealthyhome... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
First, Alex posted a reply that shows the allegation is false, apparently put
out there by opponents of GMO's.
Second, I have asked you farming questions before since you are a farmer and
you had no problem talking about crops, crop yields, organic vs. GMO all right
there in Iowa. How this is an attempt to drag you in the mud is beyond me.
Third, I think you need serious mental counseling. I lay your obvious mental
aberrations off on the years you have been a TM, TMSP and TMO junkie. How's
that for bringing this thread back to the spiritual?
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 10:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
Son, this thread is completely offtopic here. As much as you want to drag
me back down in to the mud ofthis forum now with a side excursion like this one
you are proposing totake in the place of the serious discussion of spiritual
things likeFFL could have, I feel to pass on this one so as not to further
dilutethe soup of what could be substantial discussion on FFL otherwise. Go
away to some nutrition forum for you answer to this question and don'twaste the
time of people on FFL.
Thetrigger of the smoking gun:Roundup/GMO's significantly disrupts the
functioning of beneficial bacteria in thegut and contributes to permeability of
the intestinal wall andconsequent expression of autoimmune disease symptoms -
See more
at:http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/#sthash.rb6dH3kH.dpuf
PS, Italians generally have a differentthreshold of allergic reaction in their
guts. It is a culturalthing. Americans are too damned antiseptic in the way
they raisetheir kids now and hence culture over-reactivity in immune systems
totoo many things now,
-Buck [after morning meditation] out standing in his fields feedinglivestock
near Fairfield, Iowa
mjackson74@... wrote :
The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | The Healthy Home
Economist
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[FairfieldLife] Posting the C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your /opinion/, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. On 12/1/2014 7:05 AM, salyavin808 wrote: You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. /Non sequitur. //Why can't you just apologize to Share and the other women on the forum for posting a gender biased cartoon? It's a very ugly thing to do on a public forum./ What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. /Non sequitur. All you have to do is address the fact that you posted the c word to Share and explain why you did. It doesn't make you look any better to try and discredit me. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
On 12/1/2014 9:36 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: First, Alex posted a reply that shows the allegation is false, apparently put out there by opponents of GMO's. Second, I have asked you farming questions before since you are a farmer and you had no problem talking about crops, crop yields, organic vs. GMO all right there in Iowa. How this is an attempt to drag you in the mud is beyond me. /Maybe because Buck thinks you are prejudiced against some Iowa farmers that do TM./ Third, I think you need serious mental counseling. I lay your obvious mental aberrations off on the years you have been a TM, TMSP and TMO junkie. How's that for bringing this thread back to the spiritual? /Prejudice is a judgment toward people or a person or group based on their religion, race, place of birth, nationality, gender, social class, age, disability, sexuality, language, or other personal characteristics. / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice *From:* dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 10:28 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true? Son, this thread is completely off topic here. As much as you want to drag me back down in to the mud of this forum now with a side excursion like this one you are proposing to take in the place of the serious discussion of spiritual things like FFL could have, I feel to pass on this one so as not to further dilute the soup of what could be substantial discussion on FFL otherwise. Go away to some nutrition forum for you answer to this question and don't waste the time of people on FFL. The trigger of the smoking gun: Roundup/GMO's significantly disrupts the functioning of beneficial bacteria in the gut and contributes to permeability of the intestinal wall and consequent expression of autoimmune disease symptoms - See more at: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/#sthash.rb6dH3kH.dpuf PS, Italians generally have a different threshold of allergic reaction in their guts. It is a cultural thing. Americans are too damned antiseptic in the way they raise their kids now and hence culture over-reactivity in immune systems to too many things now, -Buck [after morning meditation] out standing in his fields feeding livestock near Fairfield, Iowa mjackson74@... wrote : The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | The Healthy Home Economist http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ image http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | T... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The real reason you need to stop eating toxic wheat even if you don't currently have a wheat or gluten sensitivity. View on www.thehealthyhome... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
salyavin, ok, we have different definitions of troll. And we have different preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoy your posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And I think we all are responsible for what happens here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your opinion, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. He should join Jim's group and see if he can rediscover his personality before it's too late. But actually conversing requires thinking and that takes effort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to look, so he's welcome to waste his life nagging at me, it bothers me not one jot. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/30/2014 9:44 AM, Share Longwrote: dearRichard, I'll really miss you. Thank you for all thelaughter and knowledge and good you've brought into mylife. all the best always to you and Rita and your wholefamily,Share Thanks. Maybe you should considersubscribing to The Peak. From:'Richard J. Williams' punditster@...[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Monday, November 17, 2014 11:16 AM Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On11/17/2014 9:58 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, Itried this last night but didn'tnotice anything different. Maybe cuzI didn't sit up in bed when I didit? And I forgot to do it thismorning. Nonetheless, will soldieron, thanks again for posting. Thetechnique may not work for justanyone. Apparently MMY dropped usingthis technique himself for somereason, but I found it quiteenjoyable. People usually think thoughts justbefore going to sleep but quite oftenthey are just random thinking withoutany direction. Until I was taught the NightTechnique by Satyanand, I usedanother technique that I developedmyself - you simply think of somethingpositive to look forward to the nextday and then slip into sleep. It works too, but not as well. Thereis something about the directed soundvibration than is a subtle relaxingfeeling with the bija mantra - LayaYoga while you sleep. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday, November 16,2014 8:20 AM Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife]Lucid-dreaming query On 11/15/2014 5:22 PM,s3raphitawrote: So last night I had alucidexperiencewhile dreaming(it's happeneda few timesbefore -alwaysinvoluntary asI've neverbothered tofollow thetechniquesrecommended bydevotees
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Great write-up Curtis. Would have been interesting to get Jerry’s take on all this after the show. Is he buying it? Taking it with a grain of salt, or some pesto? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:49 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu. No one has seen God over there.(this came out in the questions) He was Plato and Pythagoras and Mark Twain (who would have NONE of this if you ask me) He was a bunch of other famous people and ONE servant to a famous person. (nice humble touch but too little too late IMO) There was a lot of discussion about who was who in the Bible through many
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
There might be something to this. I have a container of an herbicide in the basement that contains glycophosate. Interesting that Roundup has less of it, but also has another ingredient that is perhaps synergistic with glycophosate. The chemical interferes with a key enzyme that allows plants to grow. Research on skeletons from the last 10,000 years have show that as man moved from hunter gather society to agriculture, all the modern diseases began to show up in the remains, and for a while human stature dropped an average of 6 inches, so perhaps the effect of glycophosate is in addition to gluten sensitivity. Supposedly only about 25% of the human population is fully adapted to ingestion of wheat. This paper was published one year ago: Glyphosate, pathways to modern diseases II: Celiac sprue and gluten intolerance http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/ Glyphosate, pathways to modern diseases II: Celiac ... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/ Interdiscip Toxicol. Dec 2013; 6(4): 159–184. Published online Dec 2013. doi: 10.2478/intox-2013-0026 PMCID: PMC3945755 Glyphosate, pathways t... View on www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3945755/ Preview by Yahoo A further discussion: snopes.com: The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp snopes.com: The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp Are farmers saturating wheat crops with Monsanto's Roundup herbicide as a desiccant to facilitate a quicker harvest? View on www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | The Healthy Home Economist http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | T... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The real reason you need to stop eating toxic wheat even if you don't currently have a wheat or gluten sensitivity. View on www.thehealthyhome... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult philosophy that the TMO does, I can't see Jehovah getting off on that. Or maybe he'd be pissed off that he didn't think of it first? It is nice that the gods all get along with each other though. There's an old atheist saw that says You only believe in one of the thousands of gods, I just believe in one less than you Now we know that we can believe in all of them! The idea that they are all faces of the same thing must be wrong, and I always thought that was a good idea of Marshy's - very inclusive - I see that Hammond forgot that part of his teaching. Surprised he wasn't reminded by the man himself!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
Yes, and in a communal way things now are evolving in a nice and kind way over on the parallel spiritual alternative of FFL at The_Peak community: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 12/1/2014 9:36 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: How this is an attempt to drag you in the mud is beyond me. Maybe because Buck thinks you are prejudiced against some Iowa farmers that do TM. then comes the FFL ad hominem: Third, I think you need serious mental counseling. I lay your obvious mental aberrations off on the years you have been a TM, TMSP and TMO junkie. How's that for bringing this thread back to the spiritual? Prejudice is a judgment toward people or a person or group based on their religion, race, place of birth, nationality, gender, social class, age, disability, sexuality, language, or other personal characteristics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 10:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true? Son, this thread is completely off topic here. As much as you want to drag me back down in to the mud of this forum now with a side excursion like this one you are proposing to take in the place of the serious discussion of spiritual things like FFL could have, I feel to pass on this one so as not to further dilute the soup of what could be substantial discussion on FFL otherwise. Go away to some nutrition forum for you answer to this question and don't waste the time of people on FFL. The trigger of the smoking gun: Roundup/GMO's significantly disrupts the functioning of beneficial bacteria in the gut and contributes to permeability of the intestinal wall and consequent expression of autoimmune disease symptoms - See more at: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/#sthash.rb6dH3kH.dpuf http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/#sthash.rb6dH3kH.dpuf PS, Italians generally have a different threshold of allergic reaction in their guts. It is a cultural thing. Americans are too damned antiseptic in the way they raise their kids now and hence culture over-reactivity in immune systems to too many things now, -Buck [after morning meditation] out standing in his fields feeding livestock near Fairfield, Iowa mjackson74@... wrote : The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | The Healthy Home Economist The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | T... The real reason you need to stop eating toxic wheat even if you don't currently have a wheat or gluten sensitivity. View on www.thehealthyhome... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
My friend Bill sent Jerry an e-mail asking him that very question (does he buy it or not) - I'll let you know if JJ replies. From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:00 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Great write-up Curtis. Would have been interesting to get Jerry’s take on all this after the show. Is he buying it? Taking it with a grain of salt, or some pesto? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:49 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
You mean that being concerned about the food we eat is not a form of chopping wood and carrying water? Go figure. On 12/01/2014 07:28 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Son, this thread is completely off topic here. As much as you want to drag me back down in to the mud of this forum now with a side excursion like this one you are proposing to take in the place of the serious discussion of spiritual things like FFL could have, I feel to pass on this one so as not to further dilute the soup of what could be substantial discussion on FFL otherwise. Go away to some nutrition forum for you answer to this question and don't waste the time of people on FFL. The trigger of the smoking gun: Roundup/GMO's significantly disrupts the functioning of beneficial bacteria in the gut and contributes to permeability of the intestinal wall and consequent expression of autoimmune disease symptoms - See more at: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/#sthash.rb6dH3kH.dpuf PS, Italians generally have a different threshold of allergic reaction in their guts. It is a cultural thing. Americans are too damned antiseptic in the way they raise their kids now and hence culture over-reactivity in immune systems to too many things now, -Buck [after morning meditation] out standing in his fields feeding livestock near Fairfield, Iowa mjackson74@... wrote : The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | The Healthy Home Economist http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ image http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | T... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The real reason you need to stop eating toxic wheat even if you don't currently have a wheat or gluten sensitivity. View on www.thehealthyhome... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Seems to me the point of this thing was brought out in the beginning of his talk: consoling aging boomers who did TM not to fear death. On 11/30/2014 06:48 PM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was John the Baptist and had a misunderstanding with Jesus on the game plan which they have patched up in the after life. They do a lot of walk and talk in the after life. Heaven is a place where you rest. It doesn't seem like the enlightenment model fits in to the reality Maharishi discovered on the other side. We are not getting off any wheel of karma. We have a lot of talking to look forward to. And listening. A lot of talking and listening and he didn't even mention anything about the heavenly caterers, so I am not signing up yet. I need to see a menu. No one has seen God over there.(this came out in the questions) He was Plato and Pythagoras and Mark Twain (who would have NONE of this if you ask me) He was a bunch of other famous people and ONE servant to a famous person. (nice humble touch but too little too late IMO) There was a lot of discussion about who was who in the Bible through many incarnations. Many, many incarnations. I reallly had to pee. So after lunch I go back for something sweet and they had some very nice blackberries which are
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
Now that I have heard what Hammond said, I find it even greater evidence of his
either being crazy or at least really a whacko given the fact that he
petitioned the Movement to allow him to make this presentation in the Dome -
can you imagine him doing this in the Dome in Fairfield?
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
You mean that being concerned about the food we eat is not a form of
chopping wood and carrying water? Go figure.
On 12/01/2014 07:28 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Son, this thread is completely off topic here. As much as you want to drag
me back down in to the mud of this forum now with a side excursion like this
one you are proposing to take in the place of the serious discussion of
spiritual things like FFL could have, I feel to pass on this one so as not to
further dilute the soup of what could be substantial discussion on FFL
otherwise. Go away to some nutrition forum for you answer to this question and
don't waste the time of people on FFL.
The trigger of the smoking gun: Roundup/GMO's significantly disrupts the
functioning of beneficial bacteria in the gut and contributes to permeability
of the intestinal wall and consequent expression of autoimmune disease symptoms
- See more
at:http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/#sthash.rb6dH3kH.dpuf
PS, Italians generally have a different threshold of allergic reaction in
their guts. It is a cultural thing. Americans are too damned antiseptic in the
way they raise their kids now and hence culture over-reactivity in immune
systems to too many things now,
-Buck [after morning meditation] out standing in his fields feeding livestock
near Fairfield, Iowa
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen worldwide, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking - at least at first . My worry is all the obvious profit making through selling of prayers and bullshit cult
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hammond's Horseshit
And he stood up the entire 3 hours. Started looking tad tired by the end. Curtis's food summary was terrific, the best part it seems. Wish I had some of that. So, when Hammond kept looking to his right,w as he supposed to be communing with the invisible big guys? Despite my concern for Hammond's mental health status, I do have to say that about 25 years ago I had a dream somewhat similar to the one Hammond mentioned. In mine, MMY appeared to me as a small child-sized figure (as he did in Hammond's). I approached him and as I put my arms around him, he grew to his normal height (as he did in Hammond's). An image that has stayed with me. An archetype? Also, from reading about Hammond it seems he has written several books over the years on exactly the kind of things he was mentioning -rational idealism, the lack of a God, atoms and physics -all sorts of things that seemed to come out in the presentation as the ideas of The Movement men like Shankar, Jehovah etc. So it looks as if all their ideas are of the same flavor as Hammond's. They agree with him!! Or he has been in touch with the guys all along, his whole life:)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, ok, we have different definitions of troll. And we have different preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoy your posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And I think we all are responsible for what happens here. I'm not responsible for anyone else. If they can't cope with life and have to troll on here I just ignore them (apart from the occasional prod so they waste even more time) What's your definition of troll if it differs from everyone elses? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your opinion, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. He should join Jim's group and see if he can rediscover his personality before it's too late. But actually conversing requires thinking and that takes effort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to look, so he's welcome to waste his life nagging at me, it bothers me not one jot. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/30/2014 9:44 AM, Share Long wrote: dear Richard, I'll really miss you. Thank you for all the laughter and knowledge and good you've brought into my life. all the best always to you and Rita and your whole family, Share Thanks. Maybe you should consider subscribing to The Peak. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/17/2014 9:58 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I tried this last night but didn't notice anything different. Maybe cuz I didn't sit up in bed when I did it? And I forgot to do it this morning. Nonetheless, will soldier on, thanks again for posting. The technique may not work for just anyone. Apparently MMY dropped using this technique himself for some reason, but I found it quite enjoyable. People usually think thoughts just before going to sleep but quite often they are just random thinking without any direction. Until I was taught the Night Technique by Satyanand, I used another technique that I developed myself - you simply think of something positive to look forward to the next day and then slip into sleep. It works too, but not as well. There is something about the directed sound vibration than is
[FairfieldLife] India ranks fourth
India is the fourth largest source of unauthorized immigrants in America, behind Mexico, El Salvador, and Guatemala. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/numbers-reveal-how-asian-undocumented-remain-hidden-america-n256076
[FairfieldLife] Mice with half human brains are smarter
Which makes us wonder about the humans with half mice brains. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/mice-with-half-human-brains-four-times-smarter-than-their-peers-scientists/
[FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
On 12/1/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long wrote: salyavin, ok, we have different definitions of troll. Troll - /A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses./ For example, posting to a good looking meditator gal on a spiritual discussion a cartoon of Lord Buddha saying /Try not to be a cunt./ And we have different preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoy your posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And I think we all are responsible for what happens here. Let's blame it all on Rick Archer - he started this forum. Gawd! What a bliss-ninny. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your /opinion/, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. He should join Jim's group and see if he can rediscover his personality before it's too late. But actually conversing requires thinking and that takes effort. I doubt he'll bother. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to look, so he's welcome to waste his life nagging at me, it bothers me not one jot. *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/30/2014 9:44 AM, Share Long wrote: dear Richard, I'll really miss you. Thank you for all the laughter and knowledge and good you've brought into my life. all the best always to you and Rita and your whole family, Share /Thanks. Maybe you should consider subscribing to The Peak./ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2014 11:16 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/17/2014 9:58 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I tried this last night but didn't notice anything different. Maybe cuz I didn't sit up in bed when I did it? And I forgot to do it this morning. Nonetheless, will soldier on, thanks again for posting. /The technique may not work for just anyone. Apparently MMY dropped using this technique himself for some reason, but I found it quite enjoyable. People usually think thoughts just before going to
[FairfieldLife] Old Geezers, was Live Stream | 30th November
On 12/1/2014 1:36 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */You did such a good job of commenting on your notes, Curtis, that I thought I'd go back to one of mine. /* Yeah, Barry, but Curtis is educated, can sing and looks real good, and probably attracts hundreds of chicks - while you are dumb, and sound and look like an old lonely geezer! /* */ */ /* */Early on, one of the things I noticed is that George was such a TB that he didn't seem to have any problem with how CREEPY one of the things he wants us to believe about Maharishi is. That is, that he spent two years after he'd figured out that he was dead but not a drop returned to the ocean like he'd expected to be STALKING his early students and looking over their shoulders at everything they were doing. To George, this is somehow comforting. To others brought up more on classic Tibetan tales of the angry ghost stage of the Bardo, it is a bit less so. /* */ /* */No wonder so many TMer get off on stalking. Like teacher, like student./* *From:* curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 3:48 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November OK so I went. got to hang out with Jerry and Debbie a bit. That was a nice nostalgia buzz. I got to ask George (the presenter) my most politely posed question about why this was the chosen method of transmission if it pretty much excluded anyone in the movement or any person not just inclined to take his word on faith alone from taking the message seriously. I listened to his answer. They served a nice little lunch and I met some old friends. No boats are gunna rock over this, is my psychic prediction. He threw in about 3 too many famous personal incarnations. A pressing of a vanity CD for a rich guy? Did I mention the lunch? Even had goat cheese and some nice real fresh mozzarella. The Holy Tradition doesn't want us to be afraid about anything. They said so themselves through George. Were you afraid before you heard that? I was a little afraid we would never get lunch cuz he talked for 3 hours straight. I took 9 pages of notes. When we did get to lunch finally, after pissing for almost 5 minutes (did the folks on the other side of death forget about aging bladders and enlarged prostates?) I was delighted to find that the mozzarella sandwiches has a pesto spread and some olive oil soaked sun dried tomatoes. I hoovered in two of them as well as a turkey one and then stuffed two more in my bag Rodney Dangerfield style for later. There was a shit load of these little sandwiches because the movement told about 400 people who signed up that if they came something bad would happen. I didn't get the details, I just got some of their sandwiches. I'm glad I had a chance to shake the guy's hand and see him try to get around my question up close. It wasn't exactly new information, but I wanted to give him every chance I could to provide a better bridge for those of us who don't hang out with Jesus and Jehova (who is Allah) and Guru Dev (who said we don't need to say Jai Guru Dev anymore) and Shankara (who wants this to be the last of the Shanks in India.) Services no longer needed. There will be no more incarnations or masters coming to earth, now in the new spiritual democracy they will just come back as your friend and show you this tape of George talking and talking, and talking. I mentioned the pesto right, because that really sets the whole thing off. You got yer mildly bland moz and the tart sun dried tom, and you need some herbal glue to link them and that is the aromatic pesto. It really is a must for this kind of sandwich. I wish I had made off with 5 more, they were slider sized and I could have slide that many down after the lecture easily. No one merges with the absolute after death much to Maharishi's surprise. No one. He was sad that he had put his organization over his friends in the movement. (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge Mr. J) If you close your eyes and experience your self as light then you can teach anything you want to help people turn within and know themselves, but if you teach TM, follow their rules. (Surprisingly Guru Dev doesn't think the puja is necessary anymore. Crudite. They had snow peas and blanched asparagus done right, crisp and bright green like they had plunged them in ice water after blanching. Badass caterers. Wish I had hoovered up more of them. No browns spots on anything, just prime cut green delight done right. I have more of a reverence for good food over dead guys, could ya tell? He had been Brighu who was also Maharishi's dad because in that incarnation Maharishi was his son. So he was both parlaying Maharishi's authority for all this, while sort of showing up as having been in a superior position to him at one time. Maharishi was
Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
Gawd, Richard, are you sure salyavin posted that to me?! I missed that bit. Benefit of scanning (-: I'm blaming it on the jyotish chart of FFL. Ooo, I'd love someone to do a jyotish chart of The Peak. From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query On 12/1/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long wrote: salyavin, ok, we have different definitions of troll. Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. For example, posting to a good looking meditator gal on a spiritual discussion a cartoon of Lord Buddha saying Try not to be a cunt. And we have different preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoy your posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And I think we all are responsible for what happens here. Let's blame it all on Rick Archer - he started this forum. Gawd! What a bliss-ninny. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your opinion, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. He should join Jim's group and see if he can rediscover his personality before it's too late. But actually conversing requires thinking and that takes effort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to look, so he's welcome to waste his life nagging at me, it bothers me not one jot. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/30/2014 9:44 AM, Share Long wrote: dearRichard, I'll really miss you. Thank you for all the laughter and knowledge and good you've brought into my life. all the best always to you and Rita and your whole family, Share Thanks. Maybe you should consider subscribing to The Peak. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On11/17/2014 9:58 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I tried this last night but didn't notice anything different. Maybe cuz I didn't sit up in bed when I did it? And I forgot to do it this morning. Nonetheless, will soldier on, thanks again for posting. Thetechnique may not work for just anyone. Apparently MMY dropped using this
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
salyavin, a troll for me is someone who writes with a malicious tone. I don't get that from Richard's posts. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, ok, we have different definitions of troll. And we have different preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoy your posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And I think we all are responsible for what happens here. I'm not responsible for anyone else. If they can't cope with life and have to troll on here I just ignore them (apart from the occasional prod so they waste even more time) What's your definition of troll if it differs from everyone elses? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your opinion, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. He should join Jim's group and see if he can rediscover his personality before it's too late. But actually conversing requires thinking and that takes effort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to look, so he's welcome to waste his life nagging at me, it bothers me not one jot. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/30/2014 9:44 AM, Share Longwrote: dearRichard, I'll really miss you. Thank you for all thelaughter and knowledge and good you've brought into mylife. all the best always to you and Rita and your wholefamily,Share Thanks. Maybe you should considersubscribing to The Peak. From:'Richard J. Williams' punditster@...[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Monday, November 17, 2014 11:16 AM Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On11/17/2014 9:58 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, Itried this last night but didn'tnotice anything different. Maybe cuzI didn't sit up in bed when I didit? And I forgot to do it thismorning. Nonetheless, will soldieron, thanks again for posting. Thetechnique may not work for justanyone. Apparently MMY dropped usingthis technique himself for somereason, but I found it quiteenjoyable. People usually think thoughts justbefore going to sleep but quite oftenthey are just random thinking withoutany direction. Until I was taught the NightTechnique by Satyanand, I usedanother technique that I developedmyself - you simply think of somethingpositive to look forward to the nextday and then slip into sleep. It works
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mice with half human brains are smarter
These scientists may be violating the ethics code for experimentation since they're using human cells to reproduce on mice, which are nonhuman entities. Remember the Island of Dr. Moreau? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Which makes us wonder about the humans with half mice brains. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/mice-with-half-human-brains-four-times-smarter-than-their-peers-scientists/ http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/mice-with-half-human-brains-four-times-smarter-than-their-peers-scientists/
Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Gawd, Richard, are you sure salyavin posted that to me?! I missed that bit. Benefit of scanning (-: Of course I didn't post it to to you. This is Willy trolling. Trying to start arguments and piss people off on the net. He's a shit stirrer and he thinks it's funny. He's using you to try and piss me off. That's what trolling is. HE'S USING YOU. I'm blaming it on the jyotish chart of FFL. Why not blame it on the fact Willy is a tosser with too much time on his hands? Ooo, I'd love someone to do a jyotish chart of The Peak. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query On 12/1/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long wrote: salyavin, ok, we have different definitions of troll. Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. For example, posting to a good looking meditator gal on a spiritual discussion a cartoon of Lord Buddha saying Try not to be a cunt. And we have different preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoy your posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And I think we all are responsible for what happens here. Let's blame it all on Rick Archer - he started this forum. Gawd! What a bliss-ninny. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your opinion, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. He should join Jim's group and see if he can rediscover his personality before it's too late. But actually conversing requires thinking and that takes effort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to look, so he's welcome to waste his life nagging at me, it bothers me not one jot. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/30/2014 9:44 AM, Share Long wrote: dear Richard, I'll really miss you. Thank you for all the laughter and knowledge and good you've brought into my life. all the best always to you and Rita and your whole
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
On 12/01/2014 12:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Excellent. I really felt for you sitting there all that time, I got to stroll about, wash the car, cook dinner and have a bath while all those divine revelations where going on, and all you got was a folding chair. But I'm glad they provided goats cheese as sustenance. It must have helped the recovery. I just sent it to Audials where I could put in pee breaks. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
On 12/1/2014 11:30 AM, Share Long wrote: Gawd, Richard, are you sure salyavin posted that to me?! I missed that bit. Benefit of scanning (-: /Apparently this character Salya has got a gender bias. He would feel really stooopid if Judy was still around. But, since she isn't around anymore acting like a moderator, these perps think they can get away with anything, I guess./ I'm blaming it on the jyotish chart of FFL. Ooo, I'd love someone to do a jyotish chart of The Peak. /The Peak is where it's happening now - but most of the informants here won't be allowed in. They can read the messages but they can't post. Does anyone want to wager that Barry will copy and paste from The Peak to FFL and try to start an argument? How much would anyone be willing to wager? Yes, I have a PayPal account. /
Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
salyavin, I'm sorry. I was 99.9% sure that you hadn't posted it to me. I wasn't at all upset with you. And I was pretty sure it was just Richard's zany sense of humor. Between FFL, the_peak and my FB group, it's a good thing I'm retired (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Gawd, Richard, are you sure salyavin posted that to me?! I missed that bit. Benefit of scanning (-: Of course I didn't post it to to you. This is Willy trolling. Trying to start arguments and piss people off on the net. He's a shit stirrer and he thinks it's funny. He's using you to try and piss me off. That's what trolling is. HE'S USING YOU. I'm blaming it on the jyotish chart of FFL. Why not blame it on the fact Willy is a tosser with too much time on his hands? Ooo, I'd love someone to do a jyotish chart of The Peak. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query On 12/1/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long wrote: salyavin, ok, wehave different definitions of troll. Troll - A person who sends duplicitousmessages to get angry responses. For example, posting to a good looking meditator gal on aspiritual discussion a cartoon of Lord Buddha saying Try notto be a cunt. And we havedifferent preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoyyour posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And Ithink we all are responsible for what happens here. Let's blame it all on Rick Archer - he startedthis forum. Gawd! What a bliss-ninny. From:salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin,you posted a comment with the cword in it and you called Richarda crude name. How is my reading ofthose events obscured? And thosewere expressions of your opinion,not reality. I've expressed myopinions about Richard before. Irecognize that he posts a lot andrepeats a lot. BUT, I don't findthe tone of his posts malicious.imo that's the essence oftrollness. Youare funny. He doesn't engage, hehas no opinion that he wants totalk about, he comes here justto piss people off, what else doyou need to know? It's calledtrolling. Annoying people foryour own amusement. If it makeshim happy I'm happy to ignorehim. WhatI did do yesterday was point outhow much he stands out now thatthe others have gone. I shall goback to ignoring him and he'lleither leave or die of boredomby the end of the week.Actually, I don't suppose hewill, he wants to piss in thewell until no one else wants tovisit this place. Some sort ofchildish last-man-standing sortof thing. Good luck to him ifthat's how he wants to waste hislife. Heshould join Jim's group and seeif he can rediscover hispersonality before it's toolate. But actually conversingrequires thinking and that takeseffort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808no_re...@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Monday, December 1, 20141:37 AM Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife]Lucid-dreaming query ---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@...wrote : OMG,Richard, whathappened tosalyavin? Heused to soundpretty eventempered andreasonable.Now he'ssaying vilestuff to you.And using thec word!Jeez... Whatis it thatobscures yourview ofreality Share?Even if yourandomly readonly 1% ofWilly's postsyou'll know heis a pointlesstroll whoseonly purposehere is toannoy people.How mature doyou think thatis? Thiswhy he hasn'tgone to playon Jim's site,because he'sgot nothing tosay that isn'tdeliberatelyaggravating tosomeone, sowho would wanthim? UnlessJim is playinga the enemyof my enemy ismy friendgame, he isn'tgoing to want300 dumb andpredictablepostslittering theplace up everyweek. So we'restuck with himuntil someonestarts a saynothing asmany times asyou likesite. 10years he'sbeen doing it.At least! Thelonger hestays as theonly trollhere thestupider he isgoing to look,so he'swelcome towaste his lifenagging at me,it bothers menot one jot. From: 'Richard J. Williams'punditster@...[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday,November 30,2014 1:06 PM Subject:Re:[FairfieldLife]Lucid-dreamingquery On11/30/20149:44 AM, ShareLongwrote: dearRichard,I'll reallymiss you.Thank you forall thelaughter andknowledge andgood you'vebrought intomylife. all thebest always toyou and Ritaand your wholefamily,Share Thanks.Maybe youshouldconsidersubscribing toThe Peak. From:'Richard J.Williams' punditster@...[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Gawd, Richard, are you sure salyavin posted that to me?! I missed that bit. Benefit of scanning (-: On 12/1/2014 11:49 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Of course I didn't post it to to you. /You fukin' liar - who did you post it for, Barry Wright?/ This is Willy trolling. Trying to start arguments and piss people off on the net. He's a shit stirrer and he thinks it's funny. He's using you to try and piss me off. That's what trolling is. HE'S USING YOU. /Just cut the bullshit and tell us why you have a gender bias!/ I'm blaming it on the jyotish chart of FFL. Why not blame it on the fact Willy is a tosser with too much time on his hands? /For Gawd's sake! Will you please stop being a cunt, Sally? Thank you.//I tried six time to get you to talk about Rotherham and you refuse to discuss what was going on in your own back yard (no pun intended). Go figure./ Ooo, I'd love someone to do a jyotish chart of The Peak.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, a troll for me is someone who writes with a malicious tone. I don't get that from Richard's posts. OK, maybe someone should spend a week doing to you what he does to everyone else. But I couldn't see the point of wasting my time like that. Go figure. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, ok, we have different definitions of troll. And we have different preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoy your posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And I think we all are responsible for what happens here. I'm not responsible for anyone else. If they can't cope with life and have to troll on here I just ignore them (apart from the occasional prod so they waste even more time) What's your definition of troll if it differs from everyone elses? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your opinion, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. He should join Jim's group and see if he can rediscover his personality before it's too late. But actually conversing requires thinking and that takes effort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to look, so he's welcome to waste his life nagging at me, it bothers me not one jot. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/30/2014 9:44 AM, Share Long wrote: dear Richard, I'll really miss you. Thank you for all the laughter and knowledge and good you've brought into my life. all the best always to you and Rita and your whole family, Share Thanks. Maybe you should consider subscribing to The Peak. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... mailto:punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query On 11/17/2014 9:58 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, I tried this last night but didn't notice anything different. Maybe cuz I didn't sit up in bed when I did it? And I forgot to do it this morning. Nonetheless, will soldier on, thanks again for posting. The technique may not work for just anyone. Apparently MMY
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL
I predict that your prediction here is 100% accurate.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL
I kinda figured this would happen. I've always assumed that most of this
complaining that they were driven away from FFL and forced to migrate to the
Let Us Be Boring Together group was 1) mere posturing, and 2) a veritable case
study in lack of self-knowledge.
They just made a pretense of stalking off in a snit and being persecuted, but
anyone who has been watching the actual traffic here knows that the folks who
left for the gentle speech group (and especially its founder) were some of
the most volatile creators of vile-speak FFL has ever seen.
My bet? They'll be back. (You'll notice that none of them seem to have actually
unsubscribed from FFL.) They'll miss being able to get up on their high and
might pulpits and dump on the people they don't like, and they've boxed
themselves in on the new group so they can't do it there without being laughed
out of Yahoo Group Town, so they'll do drive-bys on FFL just to get their
rocks off by complaining about the people they feel superior to.
Buck is just the first example of one of them doing that. There will be more...
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL
DearYahoo-Groups Guideline Police: I have long pleaded for a higherpower to
come in here and help clean this place up. I welcome yourarrival. Hopefully you
can help us mediate and even help revive all thatwas once really good about
FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. I am one of the longest surviving
original members of this forum and well knowits ways. I am actually on of the
few FFL member participants on the ground here in Fairfield, Iowa and I should
beglad to be of administrative assistance for you if you need helpcontrolling
this out-of-hand group. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa
Dear RD; GoodPoint RD, the ruse of these apostates trying to come back 'to
save'people reads much more now like the harassment of a people who
areotherwise comfortable having dealt with their own moral dissonanceswithin
their own community in their own terms to their own spiritualends. Who are
these neganauts to interfere with the internal affairsof others any way? It
seems incredibly arrogant on their part tocome in here and try to methodically
disturb people's peace. Itseems now quite a hateful and shocking harassment to
use such defamatorylanguage the way they do. Having learned their own
particularhistories as they have related them on FFL through time
thensympathetically when considering these guys as sources of anything
spiritual they are quite pitiable really. It is a shame that their abuse ofthe
unguarded cultural openness of this community has allowed them totake over the
flower that was FFL with their negativity and erode off our our more seasoned
reasoned and experienced membership. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa
raunchydog wrote :
Barry, your recent use of crude language and imagery for the sake of
pushingbuttons is just an escalation of your usual MO, which I usually
respondto by making fun of you. What I find funny is your delusion
thatinventing an offensive straw-man (offensive to any normal human being)in
order to push true believer buttons will somehow expose and perhapsliberate
them from TMO/MMY delusions. You never seem to get is how people respond to you
is about your offensive behavior,period. Apart from the fact that IMO you are
a narcissistic,self-righteous, self-aggrandizing human being, your failed
mission towake up perceived cultists from *your* cult nightmare IS NOT
WORKING.You cannot fix whatever hurts from cults you have experienced in
thepast by projecting unresolved pain onto others.
Granted, implyingthe police ought to investigate you as a child abuser is a
bridge toofar. Let's just say you brought it on yourself and leave it at that.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hammond's Horseshit
So did Marshy tell you that you wuz his grandaddy in that dream?
From: waybac...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:15 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hammond's Horseshit
And he stood up the entire 3 hours. Started looking tad tired by the end.
Curtis's food summary was terrific, the best part it seems. Wish I had some of
that.
So, when Hammond kept looking to his right,w as he supposed to be communing
with the invisible big guys?
Despite my concern for Hammond's mental health status, I do have to say that
about 25 years ago I had a dream somewhat similar to the one Hammond mentioned.
In mine, MMY appeared to me as a small child-sized figure (as he did in
Hammond's). I approached him and as I put my arms around him, he grew to his
normal height (as he did in Hammond's). An image that has stayed with me. An
archetype?
Also, from reading about Hammond it seems he has written several books over the
years on exactly the kind of things he was mentioning -rational idealism, the
lack of a God, atoms and physics -all sorts of things that seemed to come out
in the presentation as the ideas of The Movement men like Shankar, Jehovah etc.
So it looks as if all their ideas are of the same flavor as Hammond's. They
agree with him!! Or he has been in touch with the guys all along, his whole
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when they think it's divinely inspired. But at least we now know that Jehovah and Jesus approved. Phew! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. What if it was true and all these Gods did exist and had meetings together, would they actually accept Maharishi as one of their great representatives among mankind? To answer yes is to elevate him to the same historical standing as the others. I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Do you like Audials alright?
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
On 12/01/2014 12:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
Excellent. I really felt for you sitting there all that time, I got to stroll
about, wash the car, cook dinner and have a bath while all those divine
revelations where going on, and all you got was a folding chair. But I'm glad
they provided goats cheese as sustenance. It must have helped the recovery.
I just sent it to Audials where I could put in pee breaks. :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
what exactly is a tosser other than being like Willy? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Gawd, Richard, are you sure salyavin posted that to me?! I missed that bit. Benefit of scanning (-: Of course I didn't post it to to you. This is Willy trolling. Trying to start arguments and piss people off on the net. He's a shit stirrer and he thinks it's funny. He's using you to try and piss me off. That's what trolling is. HE'S USING YOU. I'm blaming it on the jyotish chart of FFL. Why not blame it on the fact Willy is a tosser with too much time on his hands? Ooo, I'd love someone to do a jyotish chart of The Peak. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query On 12/1/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long wrote: salyavin, ok, wehave different definitions of troll. Troll - A person who sends duplicitousmessages to get angry responses. For example, posting to a good looking meditator gal on aspiritual discussion a cartoon of Lord Buddha saying Try notto be a cunt. And we havedifferent preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoyyour posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And Ithink we all are responsible for what happens here. Let's blame it all on Rick Archer - he startedthis forum. Gawd! What a bliss-ninny. From:salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin,you posted a comment with the cword in it and you called Richarda crude name. How is my reading ofthose events obscured? And thosewere expressions of your opinion,not reality. I've expressed myopinions about Richard before. Irecognize that he posts a lot andrepeats a lot. BUT, I don't findthe tone of his posts malicious.imo that's the essence oftrollness. Youare funny. He doesn't engage, hehas no opinion that he wants totalk about, he comes here justto piss people off, what else doyou need to know? It's calledtrolling. Annoying people foryour own amusement. If it makeshim happy I'm happy to ignorehim. WhatI did do yesterday was point outhow much he stands out now thatthe others have gone. I shall goback to ignoring him and he'lleither leave or die of boredomby the end of the week.Actually, I don't suppose hewill, he wants to piss in thewell until no one else wants tovisit this place. Some sort ofchildish last-man-standing sortof thing. Good luck to him ifthat's how he wants to waste hislife. Heshould join Jim's group and seeif he can rediscover hispersonality before it's toolate. But actually conversingrequires thinking and that takeseffort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808no_re...@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Monday, December 1, 20141:37 AM Subject:Re: [FairfieldLife]Lucid-dreaming query ---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@...wrote : OMG,Richard, whathappened tosalyavin? Heused to soundpretty eventempered andreasonable.Now he'ssaying vilestuff to you.And using thec word!Jeez... Whatis it thatobscures yourview ofreality Share?Even if yourandomly readonly 1% ofWilly's postsyou'll know heis a pointlesstroll whoseonly purposehere is toannoy people.How mature doyou think thatis? Thiswhy he hasn'tgone to playon Jim's site,because he'sgot nothing tosay that isn'tdeliberatelyaggravating tosomeone, sowho would wanthim? UnlessJim is playinga the enemyof my enemy ismy friendgame, he isn'tgoing to want300 dumb andpredictablepostslittering theplace up everyweek. So we'restuck with himuntil someonestarts a saynothing asmany times asyou likesite. 10years he'sbeen doing it.At least! Thelonger hestays as theonly trollhere thestupider he isgoing to look,so he'swelcome towaste his lifenagging at me,it bothers menot one jot. From: 'Richard J. Williams'punditster@...[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Sunday,November 30,2014 1:06 PM Subject:Re:[FairfieldLife]Lucid-dreamingquery On11/30/20149:44 AM, ShareLongwrote: dearRichard,I'll reallymiss you.Thank you forall thelaughter andknowledge andgood you'vebrought intomylife. all thebest always toyou and Ritaand your wholefamily,Share Thanks.Maybe youshouldconsidersubscribing toThe Peak. From:'Richard J.Williams' punditster@...[FairfieldLife]FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Monday,November 17,2014 11:16 AM Subject:Re:[FairfieldLife]Lucid-dreamingquery On11/17/20149:58 AM, ShareLong wrote: Richard,Itried thislast night
Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : what exactly is a tosser other than being like Willy? Ah, time for your monthly English lesson MJ, always to help you blend in like a native when you visit these fair shores. A Tosser is someone who masturbates a lot - suitable for males only for hopefully obvious reasons, sensitive souls may object to a video link From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Gawd, Richard, are you sure salyavin posted that to me?! I missed that bit. Benefit of scanning (-: Of course I didn't post it to to you. This is Willy trolling. Trying to start arguments and piss people off on the net. He's a shit stirrer and he thinks it's funny. He's using you to try and piss me off. That's what trolling is. HE'S USING YOU. I'm blaming it on the jyotish chart of FFL. Why not blame it on the fact Willy is a tosser with too much time on his hands? Ooo, I'd love someone to do a jyotish chart of The Peak. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query On 12/1/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long wrote: salyavin, ok, we have different definitions of troll. Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. For example, posting to a good looking meditator gal on a spiritual discussion a cartoon of Lord Buddha saying Try not to be a cunt. And we have different preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoy your posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And I think we all are responsible for what happens here. Let's blame it all on Rick Archer - he started this forum. Gawd! What a bliss-ninny. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your opinion, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. He should join Jim's group and see if he can rediscover his personality before it's too late. But actually conversing requires thinking and that takes effort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone starts a say nothing as many times as you like site. 10 years he's been doing it. At least! The longer he stays as the only troll here the stupider he is going to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and didn't stop it. Encouraged it too. Introducing John Hagelin as the man who finished Einteins work is a case in point. Without the idea that he was some sort of superman a lot of the TMO wouldn't have happened. It's easier to get people working hard growing the movement when
Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I'm sorry. I was 99.9% sure that you hadn't posted it to me. I wasn't at all upset with you. And I was pretty sure it was just Richard's zany sense of humor. No need to apologise, I know how he works and the joke was for everyone's enjoyment. It cracked me up, such a marvellously incongruous punchline. Between FFL, the_peak and my FB group, it's a good thing I'm retired (-: The net can be a full time job if you aren't careful. If only there was money in chatrooms From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Gawd, Richard, are you sure salyavin posted that to me?! I missed that bit. Benefit of scanning (-: Of course I didn't post it to to you. This is Willy trolling. Trying to start arguments and piss people off on the net. He's a shit stirrer and he thinks it's funny. He's using you to try and piss me off. That's what trolling is. HE'S USING YOU. I'm blaming it on the jyotish chart of FFL. Why not blame it on the fact Willy is a tosser with too much time on his hands? Ooo, I'd love someone to do a jyotish chart of The Peak. From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query On 12/1/2014 9:53 AM, Share Long wrote: salyavin, ok, we have different definitions of troll. Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses. For example, posting to a good looking meditator gal on a spiritual discussion a cartoon of Lord Buddha saying Try not to be a cunt. And we have different preferences wrt FFL posts. I often enjoy your posts and I often enjoy Richard's posts. And I think we all are responsible for what happens here. Let's blame it all on Rick Archer - he started this forum. Gawd! What a bliss-ninny. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, you posted a comment with the c word in it and you called Richard a crude name. How is my reading of those events obscured? And those were expressions of your opinion, not reality. I've expressed my opinions about Richard before. I recognize that he posts a lot and repeats a lot. BUT, I don't find the tone of his posts malicious. imo that's the essence of trollness. You are funny. He doesn't engage, he has no opinion that he wants to talk about, he comes here just to piss people off, what else do you need to know? It's called trolling. Annoying people for your own amusement. If it makes him happy I'm happy to ignore him. What I did do yesterday was point out how much he stands out now that the others have gone. I shall go back to ignoring him and he'll either leave or die of boredom by the end of the week. Actually, I don't suppose he will, he wants to piss in the well until no one else wants to visit this place. Some sort of childish last-man-standing sort of thing. Good luck to him if that's how he wants to waste his life. He should join Jim's group and see if he can rediscover his personality before it's too late. But actually conversing requires thinking and that takes effort. I doubt he'll bother. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : OMG, Richard, what happened to salyavin? He used to sound pretty even tempered and reasonable. Now he's saying vile stuff to you. And using the c word! Jeez... What is it that obscures your view of reality Share? Even if you randomly read only 1% of Willy's posts you'll know he is a pointless troll whose only purpose here is to annoy people. How mature do you think that is? This why he hasn't gone to play on Jim's site, because he's got nothing to say that isn't deliberately aggravating to someone, so who would want him? Unless Jim is playing a the enemy of my enemy is my friend game, he isn't going to want 300 dumb and predictable posts littering the place up every week. So we're stuck with him until someone
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Excellent parallel and analysis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I will have to agree with sincere huckster. In retrospect who he reminds me of the most in terms of the fluidity of his delivery and his seeming honest comfort with the outrageous stories he's telling is Carlos Castaneda. When I met him, he was exactly the same way -- so sure of himself and so fluid in the way he described don Juan and the magical things that went on around him that you felt you almost *had* to believe it. Then later I learned more about Carlos. Turns out that there was strong evidence of him being a serial liar and psychopathic liar all of his life. It was a pattern that was already present long before he came to the US to study at UCLA. In gaining his original student status he'd lied about his original name, where he came from in South America, and failed to mention that he'd abandoned a wife and kid there. Later, it seems that he'd taken this same...uh...less-than-truthful approach first to his research as an antrhopologist and later to being a big, best-selling New Age author. At first he took *other people's stories* and claimed that they were his own, and then later he began making them up entirely. But the thing is, in person he was so fluid and natural-sounding when *telling* these stories -- either in person or in his writing -- that he convinced people to believe them. What I think is going on with George Hammond is that he is not very clueful about the workings of his own mind. He falls into altered states of consciousness in which his dreaming mind becomes active as it is processing weird stuff he's read about all day about Western religions and the stuff he's interested in. In that partially-awake dreaming state, his mind introduces other characters because of his fear of death, his desire to see loved ones like his sister and Maharishi again, and his desire to be special and important and the center of all cosmic action. So he lays there for a while, indulging these quasi-dreaming states, and then tells stories about them to anyone who will listen, insisting that they are real visions. And, as with Castaneda, every time he tells the story it becomes more natural and more fluid for him, and he himself becomes more convinced it was real. This becomes a self-reinforcing cycle, because every time he tells the stories a few people go Wow and that increases his self-importance. Anyway, that's my take on it all. Entertaining, but in the end he *really* doesn't have the charisma he would need to attract a younger audience, one that is not on death's door and panicking about it like the audience he was talking to yesterday. THOSE are the people who will believe him and flock to him, because his spiel is meant to convince them that 1) they are important and at the center of great events, 2) they are eternal and will never die, and 3) they're part of a big Movement of Woo Woo guys (did you notice there were no gals) who are officially The Biggest, Baddest Spiritual Movers The Planet Has Ever Seen. From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November I am going back and looking at this from the beginning - what a bunch of crap. I think this guy is using the I talked to Marshy deal as a platform to attract an audience to get 'em to listen to his off the wall beliefs. Just another (sincere) huckster following in Marshy's footsteps who was himself as one of the most successful hucksters in the 20th century. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Everyone is merged with the absolute, the process of enlightenment is realizing it. The absolute is all that is and everything else is just an illusion. This is where I go wrong. I'm utterly convinced it's the other way round!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
I mostly use Simple Screen Recorder on Linux. It can record a full screen with few frame drops. It would probably drop none if I built an even newer Linux box. The networks keep trying to flummox Audials but they don't care about Linux. Audials just finds the small video window and they don't recommend trying to record at full screen. I got it to record stuff on my Windows machine while I am working on my Linux box which I use most the time. On 12/01/2014 10:43 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Do you like Audials alright? *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 12:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November On 12/01/2014 12:07 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Excellent. I really felt for you sitting there all that time, I got to stroll about, wash the car, cook dinner and have a bath while all those divine revelations where going on, and all you got was a folding chair. But I'm glad they provided goats cheese as sustenance. It must have helped the recovery. I just sent it to Audials where I could put in pee breaks. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL
According to the number of posts downloaded this morning on FFL The Peak has had little effect. And I took a peek at The Peak and Willy has set up shop there already. Go figure. On 12/01/2014 12:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */I kinda figured this would happen. I've always assumed that most of this complaining that they were driven away from FFL and forced to migrate to the Let Us Be Boring Together group was 1) mere posturing, and 2) a veritable case study in lack of self-knowledge. /* */ /* */They just made a pretense of stalking off in a snit and being persecuted, but anyone who has been watching the actual traffic here knows that the folks who left for the gentle speech group (and especially its founder) were some of the most volatile creators of vile-speak FFL has ever seen. /* I always said they should be careful what they wish for. Without people to rag on they'll be bored shitless. */My bet? They'll be back. (You'll notice that none of them seem to have actually unsubscribed from FFL.) They'll miss being able to get up on their high and might pulpits and dump on the people they don't like, and they've boxed themselves in on the new group so they can't do it there without being laughed out of Yahoo Group Town, so they'll do drive-bys on FFL just to get their rocks off by complaining about the people they feel superior to. /* */ /* */Buck is just the first example of one of them doing that. There will be more.../* */ /* Why does Buck think he has to save us from ourselves? I can't imagine being so up myself that someone with a different opinion is out of hand and needs a higher power. Now he's got somewhere else to play that's so much better, why doesn't he just go? I reckon he'll miss us, or miss feeling superior about us. *From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 1, 2014 3:28 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL Dear Yahoo-Groups Guideline Police: I have long pleaded for a higher power to come in here and help clean this place up. I welcome your arrival. Hopefully you can help us mediate and even help revive all that was once really good about FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. I am one of the longest surviving original members of this forum and well know its ways. I am actually on of the few FFL member participants on the ground here in Fairfield, Iowa and I should be glad to be of administrative assistance for you if you need help controlling this out-of-hand group. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear RD; Good Point RD, the ruse of these apostates trying to come back 'to save' people reads much more now like the harassment of a people who are otherwise comfortable having dealt with their own moral dissonances within their own community in their own terms to their own spiritual ends. Who are these neganauts to interfere with the internal affairs of others any way? It seems incredibly arrogant on their part to come in here and try to methodically disturb people's peace. It seems now quite a hateful and shocking harassment to use such defamatory language the way they do. Having learned their own particular histories as they have related them on FFL through time then sympathetically when considering these guys as sources of anything spiritual they are quite pitiable really. It is a shame that their abuse of the unguarded cultural openness of this community has allowed them to take over the flower that was FFL with their negativity and erode off our our more seasoned reasoned and experienced membership. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa raunchydog wrote : Barry, your recent use of crude language and imagery for the sake of pushing buttons is just an escalation of your usual MO, which I usually respond to by making fun of you. What I find funny is your delusion that inventing an offensive straw-man (offensive to any normal human being) in order to push true believer buttons will somehow expose and perhaps liberate them from TMO/MMY delusions. You never seem to get is how people respond to you is about your offensive behavior, period. Apart from the fact that IMO you are a narcissistic, self-righteous, self-aggrandizing human being, your failed mission to wake up perceived cultists from *your* cult nightmare IS NOT WORKING. You cannot fix whatever hurts from cults you have experienced in the past by projecting unresolved pain onto others. Granted, implying the police ought to investigate you as a child abuser is a bridge too far. Let's just say you brought it on yourself and leave it at that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : According to the number of posts downloaded this morning on FFL The Peak has had little effect. And I took a peek at The Peak and Willy has set up shop there already. Go figure. Seems lonely around here without any crop circle and UFO reports. I even went to The Examiner to look for a face on Mars but they haven't found any this week On 12/01/2014 12:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I kinda figured this would happen. I've always assumed that most of this complaining that they were driven away from FFL and forced to migrate to the Let Us Be Boring Together group was 1) mere posturing, and 2) a veritable case study in lack of self-knowledge. They just made a pretense of stalking off in a snit and being persecuted, but anyone who has been watching the actual traffic here knows that the folks who left for the gentle speech group (and especially its founder) were some of the most volatile creators of vile-speak FFL has ever seen. I always said they should be careful what they wish for. Without people to rag on they'll be bored shitless. My bet? They'll be back. (You'll notice that none of them seem to have actually unsubscribed from FFL.) They'll miss being able to get up on their high and might pulpits and dump on the people they don't like, and they've boxed themselves in on the new group so they can't do it there without being laughed out of Yahoo Group Town, so they'll do drive-bys on FFL just to get their rocks off by complaining about the people they feel superior to. Buck is just the first example of one of them doing that. There will be more... Why does Buck think he has to save us from ourselves? I can't imagine being so up myself that someone with a different opinion is out of hand and needs a higher power. Now he's got somewhere else to play that's so much better, why doesn't he just go? I reckon he'll miss us, or miss feeling superior about us. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Sacking of FFL Dear Yahoo-Groups Guideline Police: I have long pleaded for a higher power to come in here and help clean this place up. I welcome your arrival. Hopefully you can help us mediate and even help revive all that was once really good about FairfieldLife as a Yahoo-group community. I am one of the longest surviving original members of this forum and well know its ways. I am actually on of the few FFL member participants on the ground here in Fairfield, Iowa and I should be glad to be of administrative assistance for you if you need help controlling this out-of-hand group. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear RD; Good Point RD, the ruse of these apostates trying to come back 'to save' people reads much more now like the harassment of a people who are otherwise comfortable having dealt with their own moral dissonances within their own community in their own terms to their own spiritual ends. Who are these neganauts to interfere with the internal affairs of others any way? It seems incredibly arrogant on their part to come in here and try to methodically disturb people's peace. It seems now quite a hateful and shocking harassment to use such defamatory language the way they do. Having learned their own particular histories as they have related them on FFL through time then sympathetically when considering these guys as sources of anything spiritual they are quite pitiable really. It is a shame that their abuse of the unguarded cultural openness of this community has allowed them to take over the flower that was FFL with their negativity and erode off our our more seasoned reasoned and experienced membership. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa raunchydog wrote : Barry, your recent use of crude language and imagery for the sake of pushing buttons is just an escalation of your usual MO, which I usually respond to by making fun of you. What I find funny is your delusion that inventing an offensive straw-man (offensive to any normal human being) in order to push true believer buttons will somehow expose and perhaps liberate them from TMO/MMY delusions. You never seem to get is how people respond to you is about your offensive behavior, period. Apart from the fact that IMO you are a narcissistic, self-righteous, self-aggrandizing human being, your failed mission to wake up perceived cultists from *your* cult nightmare IS NOT WORKING. You cannot fix whatever hurts from cults you have experienced in the past by projecting unresolved pain onto others.
Re: [FairfieldLife] More On The C Word, was Lucid-dreaming query
On 12/1/2014 12:41 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: what exactly is a tosser other than being like Willy? /Let's see if I can explain this to you in real simple terms: Tossing is what batchelor guys like you do when then don't have a girlfriend, a wife or can't afford a hooker. //Does that make sense?/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
I didn't make it all the way thru the video - did Hammond mention the George Burns / John Denver project and if it was considered a success or not?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did it for total self serving purposes, which is I believe in direct contravention to any number of Hindu and Vedic admonishments to the contrary. Gullible masses or genuine seekers? Or does that end up as the same thing? I think there is a need or desire in everyone to go beyond what they are and experience something profound. We seem wired that way, I sure am I'm just re-evaluating what the experience means. And what did his teaching produce? Such men as George Hammond who are willing to stand in front of an audience and make a big ol' donkey of themselves spouting things that are obvious hallucinations and made up bullshit. Come on. LOL, you've got me there. Marshy would have seen what was happening with his devotees and
[FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the movement
I was so punch drunk last night from the Bataan Claims March I could only generate something flip. Thanks to anyone who enjoyed it and said so. I want to write two more posts about the day, one from the perspective of the Maharishi epistemology and one from my own. Maharishi's system had checks and balances. Like our US gov, he tried to create a trifecta of, personal experience, scriptural verification, a master's interpretation of that connection and sometimes, when it was convenient, scientific verification. (Or at least the appearance of that.) Although it is obvious that this system has the major flaw that the deck is stacked in the Guru's hands, it was Maharishi's party and when I was in TM, that was just fine with me. But even he, self confident to the grandiose as he was, never said:F the scriptures I am DA MAN. He paid lip service to a system that doesn't allow someone to step up and bypass the whole Vedic teaching and what his own guru taught to declare that there is a new sheriff in town. Maharishi then went ahead and did what he wanted like selling mantras for cash which is a violation of tradition and scripture, but he upheld the principle of following tradition while ignoring the inconvenient parts that limited cash flow. (Young biddies needs they fine new saris and chains before dey gets on dem private planes.) George's message was a contradiction to the fundamental principles of Maharishi's system. It contradicted specific claims about the nature of reality that Maharishi explicitly taught. He had to paint it all as Maharishi himself realizing that he had been wrong to sell it. Maharishi's spiritual crisis after death was George saying, Maharishi was not the master we thought he was. He was a part of a team, and the whole team, (who George now conveniently represents) says THIS now. Maharishi never tried to speak with the combined authority of Guru Dev, Jehovah (who is Allah and not a personal aspect of God as Maharishi taught, but a dude like George) Jesus, Shankara (who was Vyasa's reincarnation contrary to Vedic scriptures and Maharishi) and each with a specific message to their people, through George. I find this whole thing fascinating on so many levels. Seeing it through the mindset of my past TM is as interesting as seeing it though my own POV now as a philosophical exercise. Because Maharishi did not have one guy who he trusted to be a replacement, he set up a committee. And this was another level of checks and balances that he put in place to keep one rich guy from going off the rails and pulling a George (patent pending) Pulling a George is attempting to elevate one's subjective experience beyond that, to usurp the whole philosophical system and turn it on its head. It is a variation of the pulling a Carlson (patent applied for and rejected) which is to claim to be in a state of consciousness that is on a par with your living guru and therefor capable of improving his system. The lesson here is to wait till your Guru is dead before busting either of these moves. Challenges like this to the movement's authority are bell weather. I was in a room with people who had FLOWN the F in to this event. I drove 10 minutes which is how it was possible for me. The discontent with the movement is the huge gap that will allow Georges to rise up bearing gifts of sandwiches and grandiose claims. I suspect that the perfect storm of his mental state and finances will be hard to duplicate. He dropped some cash on this. Well under 10 grand probably but more than 5. I'll bet his charming family (who checked me in) will think it was worth it if dad will now STFU finally! (can you imagine the dinner table discussion rolled eyes)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Ahh, Sal, you reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was going on and it never got it's claws into me. Not like it has poor old George Hammond. TM still works I just don't think it's doing what was promised. While it's better than not doing it I shall continue. Were it not for the Beatles, he would have been another long haired Indian vying for the attention of the gullible masses. He deserves no credit for popularizing meditation since he did
Re: [FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the movement
So what was the atmosphere like after? Were the people receptive or did they
think he was full of vedic baloney?
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the movement
I was so punch drunk last night from the Bataan Claims March I could only
generate something flip. Thanks to anyone who enjoyed it and said so. I want to
write two more posts about the day, one from the perspective of the Maharishi
epistemology and one from my own.
Maharishi's system had checks and balances. Like our US gov, he tried to create
a trifecta of, personal experience, scriptural verification, a master's
interpretation of that connection and sometimes, when it was convenient,
scientific verification. (Or at least the appearance of that.) Although it is
obvious that this system has the major flaw that the deck is stacked in the
Guru's hands, it was Maharishi's party and when I was in TM, that was just fine
with me. But even he, self confident to the grandiose as he was, never said:F
the scriptures I am DA MAN. He paid lip service to a system that doesn't allow
someone to step up and bypass the whole Vedic teaching and what his own guru
taught to declare that there is a new sheriff in town. Maharishi then went
ahead and did what he wanted like selling mantras for cash which is a violation
of tradition and scripture, but he upheld the principle of following tradition
while ignoring the inconvenient parts that limited cash flow. (Young biddies
needs they fine new saris and chains before dey gets on dem private planes.)
George's message was a contradiction to the fundamental principles of
Maharishi's system. It contradicted specific claims about the nature of reality
that Maharishi explicitly taught. He had to paint it all as Maharishi himself
realizing that he had been wrong to sell it. Maharishi's spiritual crisis after
death was George saying, Maharishi was not the master we thought he was. He was
a part of a team, and the whole team, (who George now conveniently represents)
says THIS now. Maharishi never tried to speak with the combined authority of
Guru Dev, Jehovah (who is Allah and not a personal aspect of God as Maharishi
taught, but a dude like George) Jesus, Shankara (who was Vyasa's reincarnation
contrary to Vedic scriptures and Maharishi) and each with a specific message to
their people, through George.
I find this whole thing fascinating on so many levels. Seeing it through the
mindset of my past TM is as interesting as seeing it though my own POV now as a
philosophical exercise.
Because Maharishi did not have one guy who he trusted to be a replacement, he
set up a committee. And this was another level of checks and balances that he
put in place to keep one rich guy from going off the rails and pulling a
George (patent pending) Pulling a George is attempting to elevate one's
subjective experience beyond that, to usurp the whole philosophical system and
turn it on its head. It is a variation of the pulling a
Carlson (patent applied for and rejected) which is to claim to be in a state
of consciousness that is on a par with your living guru and therefor capable of
improving his system. The lesson here is to wait till your Guru is dead
before busting either of these moves.
Challenges like this to the movement's authority are bell weather. I was in a
room with people who had FLOWN the F in to this event. I drove 10 minutes which
is how it was possible for me. The discontent with the movement is the huge gap
that will allow Georges to rise up bearing gifts of sandwiches and grandiose
claims. I suspect that the perfect storm of his mental state and finances will
be hard to duplicate. He dropped some cash on this. Well under 10 grand
probably but more than 5. I'll bet his charming family (who checked me in) will
think it was worth it if dad will now STFU finally! (can you imagine the dinner
table discussion rolled eyes)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
MJ, I remember asking why you spoke so negatively about TM since you reported yourself having good experiences. Jeez! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Ahh, Sal, you reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of attention from the news media due to them. And we see that they were done with him in less than a year. True but he did popularise meditation. I sure wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for him! I'm just being charitable as like TM, I'm as aware as anyone here how the TMO turned out. I've seen the madness myself. Sat in the same room as it but I worked out what was
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. I learned this one mindfulness technique that seems so innocuous that anyone who'd been steeped in TM lore would dismiss it as rubbish and say that it couldn't possibly lead to anything, unlike TM because that involves magic mantras and puja and evading the conscious mind blah, blah. But I did it when I was standing up on a train simply because there was a crap view out of the window and it blew my mind in no small way, like there was a waterfall of sweet light streaming through me. I know it all sounds hideously cheesy but the thing is, I realised how it was working while it was happening and it was so simple I hadn't even thought it might compare to TM in that way, makes the effortlessness of TM seem like playing chess. I started laughing at my discovery that I got from a library book. There was a point to this post that was relevant to your comment but I got carried away with the memory Turning within! Yes, he's right but there are so many ways of doing it that I wonder if anyone knows them all. Or even how effective they are for different people, or if some should be avoided by different people. So I'm not sure I'd recommend my approach to a newbie TMer because it's hard to explain. It's the sort of thing you have to find your own way through. So the bottom line for me is not being too dogmatic about it whichever type you do, but don't create confusion in the minds of the unenlightened. Damn, I'm rambling and there's something good on TV. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
You also addressed Sal having reported good exps from TM and asked how I accounted for that. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November MJ, I remember asking why you spoke so negatively about TM since you reported yourself having good experiences. Jeez! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Ahh, Sal, you reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He wasn't the only huckster from India trying to make a living hawking his country's esoteric blabber as ultimate knowledge. What he did that made him seem to eclipse the others was he got lucky. The Beatles fell for his Anton Mesmer routine and he got tremendous amounts of
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: The TRUTH about Ferguson!
---BeginMessage--- William, Overturned cars in flames, the sound of gunfire echoing throughout the city, black thugs silhouetted by street fires as they broke and entered and looted-the lynch mob finally got its chance in Ferguson last week. The script had been set for days. All that was required for cameras to roll was the grand jury report. The mob had been irritated at the delay. There was a sense of relief when the verdict came down. The mob would have been disappointed if the grand jury had held Darren Wilson guilty. As the mob set the city on fire and hunted for whites to attack, Barack Obama appeared on split screen to own the riot. Issuing a perfunctory call for the rule of law, he then fanned the flames by talking about the deep distrust between law enforcement and communities of color. Ferguson wasn't about police brutality, and the President knows it. If he wanted a teachable moment this was his opportunity. He could have talked about how blacks are 13% of the population in America and over 50% of homicide victims; how 91 % of these victims are murdered by other blacks and how, therefore, communities of color are dependent on a police presence for survival. He could have talked about how one quarter of the members of the grand jury that chose not to indict Officer Wilson were black. He could even have attacked the racist assumption that blacks will naturally react with mindless violence to decisions like this one; and that they alone of all American minority groups will be exempt from censure when they do. There are many ways a truly post racial President could have spoken truth to the power of the mob that exploded in violence in Ferguson. But instead Barack Obama enabled it as his racist advisor on racial affairs, Al Sharpton, swooped into Ferguson to pour gasoline on the flames. What happened Monday night is the latest example of the disturbing reality we have been facing as a nation since the civil rights movement was transformed into a lynch mob under the leadership of Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. With my co-author John Perazzo I have written about these racial extortionists and the damage they've done to America's social fabric (with African Americans their chief victim) in Black Skin Privilege and the American Dream. This pamphlet explains why lynch mobs such as the one in Ferguson have become an enduring feature of American life. I will send you a copy today for a donation of $50 or more, and use your contribution to get copies of Black Skin Privilege and the American Dream into the hands of politicians, members of the media and opinion makers across the country. Black Skin Privilege and the American Dream uses crime statistics to tell the hard truths about race in America today. It shows how, like the racial injustice against blacks in the past, the racial injustice that is today enforced on behalf of blacks has damaged them as well as the country as a whole. It has empowered malice and sown resentment and ensured that racial conflict continues half a century after the 1964 Civil Rights Acts broke down racial barriers. Please help me get the truth about Ferguson into public view. Send your tax-deductible contribution of $50 or more to the Freedom Center and I'll send you Black Skin Privilege and the American Dreamand use your donation to get this pamphlet into the hands of people who need to hear the truths about why lynch mobs are allowed to operate freely in our country today. Thank you in advance for your continued support. Sincerely, David Horowitz P.S. People who need to hear the truth about Ferguson --- and I'm counting on you to help the Freedom Center put that into motion. Please follow this link to make an emergency donation of $50 or more today. The David Horowitz Freedom Center, a 501(c)(3) organization. All donations are tax-deductible. © Copyright 2014, HorowitzFreedomCenter.org This message was intended for: wle...@aol.com You were added to the system December 1, 2014. For more information please follow the URL below: http://email.hspdirect.com/p/iWyjkzkAN8 Follow the URL below to update your
[FairfieldLife] George critique from my own POV
I am a brain guy. I think we need to get to the bottom of how it functions before we can even start to make claims beyond what it produces and dealing with worlds like what happens after we die and the brain rots away. (or gets burned away before it rots.) From what I could tell with Maharishi, he was not exempt from his brain function slowing down with age and it affecting who he was. Fundamentally, he changed as he grew older just like everyone else. The brain is my God. So let's look at what the brain is capable of. Some patients who have a certain kind of stroke in a specific part of their brain go physically blind. It is mechanical, the brain cannot process what the optic nerve brings in, or it is the optic nerve itself that goes out, I don't know, but they can't see. Oddly, their brain immediately creates such a compelling replica of sensory experience, that the person is incapable of distinguishing this self generated experience from that of seeing the outer world. It takes doctors some time and many proof tests to convince these patients that this world their brain has cooked up, does not exist outside their mind. They cannot tell. And like in so many other cases of our brain's limitations they are incensed at first to be challenged on this fundamental distinction. It is really hard to accept this harsh truth about our fallibility. Because the mind is always creating what we call our perceptions out of the flimsy sensory data of our world, this is not a new thing really. What is new is that it is capable of it without any outside reference point. I don't have to doubt that George was in a waking state when he had the experience of talking with Maharishi and others for a prolonged period of time. This is what the brain does for us to see a plate as a plate. What is different is that we don't have to go to the theory that it really was an external Maharishi that he was talking with in such detail. This is not even rare. We are Olympic level mis-percievers and worse analyzers of our limitations. We think we are great at fundamental things that we really suck at. Like distinguishing fact from fantasy in altered brain states. Totally suck at this. Let's look at what bought this on. Barry was on to something with his connection of fear of death. George's sister had died, completely out of the blue, no warning, It was a total shock. I know someone who just went through something similar and had a mental breakdown. When he went to the doctor for some relief, the doctor explained to him what happens to the brain under extreme stress and shock. In a phrase: it F's up. All bets are off for what can happen when your brain goes through this. The normal processing functions are plunged into malfunctions. You can have extended conversations with dead people. Whatever the brain can find to alleviate the stress, it will do. In his case he became almost catatonic and incapable of working for a while. His brain just said, F it all peace out. He was not a flakey person. He was a working professional just like George. His brain just had enough and it quit. George's experience is not unheard of, doctors know all about it. What is unique is that he had a belief system that supported his taking it at face value instead of saying, I am in trouble and need help. Despite the unattractive qualities inherent in the grandiosity of his claims, I feel for the guy, I really do. As I told George, there is nothing in what he said that requires us to assume that is coming from special people on the other side. Any of us could have come up with every claim he made. And you would think that a committee of this caliber could come up with ONE thing that none of us could have spouted. One thing. Big like cure for cancer, or small like a new compound that gets those shitty labels off of stuff we buy without leaving that sticky crap on them better than that nasty Goo Gone Hell, I would settle for a prediction on all of today's horse races with all the winnings going to charity. There was none of that. It all spilled out in its chaotic glory from a brain in crisis . I sensed his fragility when I spoke with him personally at the very end. I was not looking at a representative of the badasses who brought us the not so holy tradition, or Christianity or even a mind like Plato's. I was interacting with a man in crises, holding it together for his family and business, but so far off the rails that the cascading fallout from this public event will haunt his family for a long time. Seeing his earnest daughters at the event reminded me who was gunna bear the brunt if Dad goes down for the count. There is a sad bravery in how he was trying to manage this event in his brain. If one hand puts him up as the king of this world and the next, and the other option is to consider that this is a man who, like so many others, is facing a neurological challenge, I know which I am betting
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Ok, I don't remember but I believe you. What did you say? From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November You also addressed Sal having reported good exps from TM and asked how I accounted for that. From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November MJ, I remember asking why you spoke so negatively about TM since you reported yourself having good experiences. Jeez! From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November Ahh, Sal, you reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that
[FairfieldLife] Richard and Share
Maybe you should take this conversation over to the_Peak. We would prefer to discuss something more important here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Richard, your second paragraph about turq posting all the porn he wants just had me laughing my head off. Then laughing my head off at my own thought: can't wait! Obviously I've lost it, whatever it is (-: From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stop The Porn, was Fairfield and M. Effect On 12/1/2014 10:32 AM, Share Long wrote: turq, thanks for explaining. But would it be so awful if FFL was an adults only site? We are all adults here, Share, so it makes since to make this an adult site. That way, Barry could post all the porn he wanted to - pornographic text messages, slang words for masturbation, pirated photos of rodents humping, photo-shopped images of transvestites, and even cartoons of Lord Buddha with gender bias captions using the c word. I don't know what his problem is, he is after all the Uncle Tantra and the TurquoiseBee. Cognitive dissonance I guess. Now he's trying to prove he's an offended prude and porn-free - as if he has never posted anything that would offend. Which is kind of weird, seeing as how seven FFL members just quit the group because of his smutty language. Go figure. But, you need to watch out - the last time Barry joked and chatted with a female on FFL, he reported her to Interpol and the Dutch police. Obviously he is monitoring our conversations. TurquoiseB wrote: Share, I'm going to take the trouble to explain something to you that it is possible you don't understand, being a relative newcomer to Fairfield Life. Richard'spost to Rick saying that FFL is a porn site was *not* a joke, and *not* friendly, given events in the past. In that past, a disgruntled FFL poster, angered over something petty, stalked off in a snit and then posted some questionable sexually-explicit photos and/or text to FFL himself, and then went to Yahoo Administrators to blow the whistle and get them to declare FFL an Adult Only site. As I understand it, Rick and Alex had to jump through hoops to get Yahoo to understand that this was an exercise in cyberterrorism by this disgruntled asshole, and allow FFL to remain at its current status. Richard made his post fully aware of this history, and thus fully aware of what he was trying to accomplish by calling FFL a porn site. If you didn't know this, it might have been possible for you to see Richard's actions as a joke. Now that you do, I don't see how you possibly can. He was attempting to use the charge that FFL was a porn site to possibly get the site either taken down or moved to a much more prohibitive status. He was being as much of a cyberterrorist as the original asshole was.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ahh, Sal, your reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! Oh good! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You may know it as Christmas shopping, I prefer the term Crimbo, or Crimble, because it removes the last vestige of religion from what is basically a massive Pagan piss up and consumer greed frenzy. Some people still get all Nativity and Jesus about it but not me, even though I like the bible stories it's more an all-things-to-all-men festival. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Shhh! Keep it down, they might read this. Seriously, I do tell them and there's a multitude of responses from blank ignoring to asking me what it's like. I've only had a few lectures about how mindfulness is rubbish compared to TM because blah, blah, concentrating blah, blah, only works because the mind gives up etc. But people who actually like you don't care what you do. As long as you don't do it on the dome, which I wouldn't anyway. One observation is that I only like it and get results because I've been doing TM for so long, and there's no way to prove otherwise but it's always said in a kind of you owe it to us way. I can't see the harm in discussing it but TM teachers would change the subject in a centre I think. I'd try it just to see but the local teachers don't like me much so I never go round LOL. Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? Like I say above I guess. They'd say: if he hadn't done TM for 20 years he wouldn't be having good mindful experiences. And then you can go on to explain the differences as discoursed incorrectly by Marshy in his why TM is best lecture and then introduce the Only have your feet in one boat at a timet anecdote and your home and dry! I would have made a good TM teacher I think. I still remember the shpiell. I might do it and start a new career. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:
Re: [FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the movement
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So what was the atmosphere like after? Were the people receptive or did they think he was full of vedic baloney? I couldn't get a read because I had run into an old friend from MIU and his wife and turned all my attention on them. People were freak'n exhausted. Many people had traveled a long way. I had some people tentatively asked me what I thought, not wanting to commit. When I articulated some of the issues I saw they agreed enthusiastically as if I had given their feelings the words they needed. Most of these people have not been articulating skepticism, which is what I pour over my cereal every morning. But I only talked with a few people and most were certainly not on my burn the whole F'er down POV. They had more skin in the game than I do. I did articulate my opinion to Jerry and his wife but I didn't get the feeling that they were buying anything I was saying. They have their own mysterious compass about all this, had traveled from Cali, and had a lot more than just skin in this game. They had their entire lives. I wasn't trying to piss on their parade. The message was very sympathetic to Jerry's situation with the movement. He heard it all through a lifetime of experiences I have no idea about. I thought I felt a change in the room when George went through the improbable list of his own incarnations, but it might just have been me. Now in the questions period there was one that was interesting. He said that in his understanding people would progress through incarnations of better and better lives and states of development, and although he loved Mark Twain, that seemed like a big step from Brighu, Maharishi's dad! It was an excellent point and George danced around about judging what state anyone was in in their life. But we all knew, his incarnations sequence was not an upgrade parade! I think most of the people had lived with so much ambiguity in their lives with their own maturity (we were a grey haired group) that they might not have to make the kind of clear judgement I am comfortable with. I think they will just pick out something they liked and forget the rest. There was a lack of interaction between all of us that was a bit of a disconnect. I think people were kind of processing it and were not ready to react. I feel more able to put my feelings down today better. I am probably not alone. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the movement I was so punch drunk last night from the Bataan Claims March I could only generate something flip. Thanks to anyone who enjoyed it and said so. I want to write two more posts about the day, one from the perspective of the Maharishi epistemology and one from my own. Maharishi's system had checks and balances. Like our US gov, he tried to create a trifecta of, personal experience, scriptural verification, a master's interpretation of that connection and sometimes, when it was convenient, scientific verification. (Or at least the appearance of that.) Although it is obvious that this system has the major flaw that the deck is stacked in the Guru's hands, it was Maharishi's party and when I was in TM, that was just fine with me. But even he, self confident to the grandiose as he was, never said:F the scriptures I am DA MAN. He paid lip service to a system that doesn't allow someone to step up and bypass the whole Vedic teaching and what his own guru taught to declare that there is a new sheriff in town. Maharishi then went ahead and did what he wanted like selling mantras for cash which is a violation of tradition and scripture, but he upheld the principle of following tradition while ignoring the inconvenient parts that limited cash flow. (Young biddies needs they fine new saris and chains before dey gets on dem private planes.) George's message was a contradiction to the fundamental principles of Maharishi's system. It contradicted specific claims about the nature of reality that Maharishi explicitly taught. He had to paint it all as Maharishi himself realizing that he had been wrong to sell it. Maharishi's spiritual crisis after death was George saying, Maharishi was not the master we thought he was. He was a part of a team, and the whole team, (who George now conveniently represents) says THIS now. Maharishi never tried to speak with the combined authority of Guru Dev, Jehovah (who is Allah and not a personal aspect of God as Maharishi taught, but a dude like George) Jesus, Shankara (who was Vyasa's reincarnation contrary to Vedic scriptures and Maharishi) and each with a specific message to their people, through George. I find this whole thing fascinating on so many levels. Seeing it through the mindset of my past TM is as interesting as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Richard and Share
Xeno, Curtis has posted something very cool about the Hammond event. Why not
focus on replying to that and simply ignore me and Richard? Wouldn't that be
more logical?
From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Richard and Share
Maybe you should take this conversation over to the_Peak. We would prefer
to discuss something more important here.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Richard, your second paragraph about turq posting all the porn he wants just
had me laughing my head off. Then laughing my head off at my own thought: can't
wait!Obviously I've lost it, whatever it is (-:
From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stop The Porn, was Fairfield and M. Effect
On 12/1/2014 10:32 AM, Share Longwrote:
turq, thanksfor explaining. But would it be so awful if FFL was an adultsonly
site?
We are all adults here,Share, so it makes since to make this an adult site.
That way, Barry could post all the porn he wanted to -pornographic text
messages, slang words for masturbation,pirated photos of rodents humping,
photo-shopped images oftransvestites, and even cartoons of Lord Buddha with
gender biascaptions using the c word.
I don't know what his problem is, he is after all the UncleTantra and the
TurquoiseBee. Cognitive dissonance I guess.
Now he's trying to prove he's an offended prude andporn-free - as if he has
never posted anything that wouldoffend. Which is kind of weird, seeing as how
seven FFL membersjust quit the group because of his smutty language. Gofigure.
But, you need to watch out - the lasttime Barry joked and chatted with a female
on FFL,he reported her to Interpol and the Dutch police.Obviously he is
monitoring our conversations.
TurquoiseB wrote:
Share, I'm going to takethe trouble to explain something to youthat it is
possible you don'tunderstand, being a relative newcomer toFairfield Life.
Richard'spost to Rick saying that FFL is a pornsite was *not* a joke, and
*not*friendly, given events in the past. Inthat past, a disgruntled FFL
poster,angered over something petty, stalkedoff in a snit and then posted
somequestionable sexually-explicit photosand/or text to FFL himself, and
thenwent to Yahoo Administrators to blowthe whistle and get them to declare
FFLan Adult Only site.
As Iunderstand it, Rick and Alex had to jumpthrough hoops to get Yahoo to
understandthat this was an exercise incyberterrorism by this
disgruntledasshole, and allow FFL to remain at itscurrent status.
Richard made his postfully aware of this history, and thusfully aware of what
he was trying toaccomplish by calling FFL a pornsite.
If you didn't knowthis, it might have been possible foryou to see Richard's
actions as ajoke. Now that you do, I don't see howyou possibly can. He was
attempting touse the charge that FFL was a pornsite to possibly get the site
eithertaken down or moved to a much moreprohibitive status. He was being asmuch
of a cyberterrorist as theoriginal asshole was.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
On 12/1/2014 11:02 AM, Bhairitu wrote: You mean that being concerned about the food we eat is not a form of chopping wood and carrying water? Go figure. /No, he means that being prejudiced against someone because of their religion leaves nothing to discuss, whether it is about the food a farmer eats, chopping water, hauling wood or conducting a roundup./ On 12/01/2014 07:28 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Son, this thread is completely off topic here. As much as you want to drag me back down in to the mud of this forum now with a side excursion like this one you are proposing to take in the place of the serious discussion of spiritual things like FFL could have, I feel to pass on this one so as not to further dilute the soup of what could be substantial discussion on FFL otherwise. Go away to some nutrition forum for you answer to this question and don't waste the time of people on FFL. The trigger of the smoking gun: Roundup/GMO's significantly disrupts the functioning of beneficial bacteria in the gut and contributes to permeability of the intestinal wall and consequent expression of autoimmune disease symptoms - See more at: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/#sthash.rb6dH3kH.dpuf PS, Italians generally have a different threshold of allergic reaction in their guts. It is a cultural thing. Americans are too damned antiseptic in the way they raise their kids now and hence culture over-reactivity in immune systems to too many things now, -Buck [after morning meditation] out standing in his fields feeding livestock near Fairfield, Iowa mjackson74@... wrote : The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | The Healthy Home Economist http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ image http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The Real Reason Wheat is Toxic (it's not the gluten) | T... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ The real reason you need to stop eating toxic wheat even if you don't currently have a wheat or gluten sensitivity. View on www.thehealthyhome... http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: George critique from my own POV
Similar thing happened to David Icke. He was a successful footballer and TV commentator before he had a vision and started claiming to be the son of God and making his family wear turquoise track suits. Everyone laughed at him to his face, but I felt sorry for him, it was obvious he'd had some sort of breakdown. He had to build a belief system to explain it out of stuff he found in society, channellers and any mystic he ran into, and then he met someone who'd seen giant reptiles and the rest is history (and if it isn't you've got some eyebrow raising books to read). Icke's mind healed round his delusions and he functions without seeming baffled by it himself. Makes a lot of money too. I don't think George will though, it was just too out there to be credible. All these deities all being friends just sent me into an objectivity frenzy. There are nice fantasies and there is new age drivel and this went beyond what I could shrug off and I know people who channel Jesus! But I think you may have hit a nail on the head there Curtis, he the reason to ask the question and he had a belief system ready and waiting with sympathetic friends to encourage him. I think if I was close to him I would have been concerned, but to see it on TV I assumed he was aware and happy with what was going on and not just as a personal reality. He wanted us to receive it because he can't tell the difference. I didn't think to feel like he might be needing need help, but then you've got to feel like you do to need it don't you? You've awakened a humility in me. I just hope he's as happy with his new world as David Icke is with his. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I am a brain guy. I think we need to get to the bottom of how it functions before we can even start to make claims beyond what it produces and dealing with worlds like what happens after we die and the brain rots away. (or gets burned away before it rots.) From what I could tell with Maharishi, he was not exempt from his brain function slowing down with age and it affecting who he was. Fundamentally, he changed as he grew older just like everyone else. The brain is my God. So let's look at what the brain is capable of. Some patients who have a certain kind of stroke in a specific part of their brain go physically blind. It is mechanical, the brain cannot process what the optic nerve brings in, or it is the optic nerve itself that goes out, I don't know, but they can't see. Oddly, their brain immediately creates such a compelling replica of sensory experience, that the person is incapable of distinguishing this self generated experience from that of seeing the outer world. It takes doctors some time and many proof tests to convince these patients that this world their brain has cooked up, does not exist outside their mind. They cannot tell. And like in so many other cases of our brain's limitations they are incensed at first to be challenged on this fundamental distinction. It is really hard to accept this harsh truth about our fallibility. Because the mind is always creating what we call our perceptions out of the flimsy sensory data of our world, this is not a new thing really. What is new is that it is capable of it without any outside reference point. I don't have to doubt that George was in a waking state when he had the experience of talking with Maharishi and others for a prolonged period of time. This is what the brain does for us to see a plate as a plate. What is different is that we don't have to go to the theory that it really was an external Maharishi that he was talking with in such detail. This is not even rare. We are Olympic level mis-percievers and worse analyzers of our limitations. We think we are great at fundamental things that we really suck at. Like distinguishing fact from fantasy in altered brain states. Totally suck at this. Let's look at what bought this on. Barry was on to something with his connection of fear of death. George's sister had died, completely out of the blue, no warning, It was a total shock. I know someone who just went through something similar and had a mental breakdown. When he went to the doctor for some relief, the doctor explained to him what happens to the brain under extreme stress and shock. In a phrase: it F's up. All bets are off for what can happen when your brain goes through this. The normal processing functions are plunged into malfunctions. You can have extended conversations with dead people. Whatever the brain can find to alleviate the stress, it will do. In his case he became almost catatonic and incapable of working for a while. His brain just said, F it all peace out. He was not a flakey person. He was a working professional just like George. His brain just had enough and it quit. George's experience is not unheard of, doctors know all about it. What is unique is that he had a belief system that
[FairfieldLife] Re: George critique from my own POV
Beautifully put, Curtis. And I agree totally. To me George seems (via internet) a genuinely sincere person and he is responding to entirelyreal perceptions of his. Like most people with hallucinations and other similar brain events, he probably has no way to know what is real real and what seems just as real but is only a function of some neurological events over which he has no control. And given the spiritual background and books over the last many years, it can be impossible to tease apart the healthy metaphysical and the wires gone awry.To me a tip off to this is that his ideas from his books sound awfully similar to the ideas from The Movement men he has been communing with. Yes this could happen to any of us. Given the right set of circumstances. He seems like a really smart, good person - and as you said, a hug and some good help and understanding are what is needed.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
On 12/01/2014 12:32 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. I learned this one mindfulness technique that seems so innocuous that anyone who'd been steeped in TM lore would dismiss it as rubbish and say that it couldn't possibly lead to anything, unlike TM because that involves magic mantras and puja and evading the conscious mind blah, blah. But I did it when I was standing up on a train simply because there was a crap view out of the window and it blew my mind in no small way, like there was a waterfall of sweet light streaming through me. I know it all sounds hideously cheesy but the thing is, I realised how it was working while it was happening and it was so simple I hadn't even thought it might compare to TM in that way, makes the effortlessness of TM seem like playing chess. I started laughing at my discovery that I got from a library book. There was a point to this post that was relevant to your comment but I got carried away with the memory Turning within! Yes, he's right but there are so many ways of doing it that I wonder if anyone knows them all. Or even how effective they are for different people, or if some should be avoided by different people. So I'm not sure I'd recommend my approach to a newbie TMer because it's hard to explain. It's the sort of thing you have to find your own way through. So the bottom line for me is not being too dogmatic about it whichever type you do, but don't create confusion in the minds of the unenlightened. Damn, I'm rambling and there's something good on TV. OK, what's good on TV across the pond these days? BTW, for Netflixers here Black Mirror has been added in the US WI.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck, is this true?
On 12/1/2014 11:08 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: Now that I have heard what Hammond said, I find it even greater evidence of his either being crazy or at least really a whacko given the fact that he petitioned the Movement to allow him to make this presentation in the Dome - can you imagine him doing this in the Dome in Fairfield? /Why not - they let you in the dome and you sucked as a waiter and had a big pie-hole/.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
What book did you get the technique out of? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, one of my very favorite bits from Geo Hammond was when he said that the bottom line is teaching people how to turn within, that TM is a subset of turning within. I learned this one mindfulness technique that seems so innocuous that anyone who'd been steeped in TM lore would dismiss it as rubbish and say that it couldn't possibly lead to anything, unlike TM because that involves magic mantras and puja and evading the conscious mind blah, blah. But I did it when I was standing up on a train simply because there was a crap view out of the window and it blew my mind in no small way, like there was a waterfall of sweet light streaming through me. I know it all sounds hideously cheesy but the thing is, I realised how it was working while it was happening and it was so simple I hadn't even thought it might compare to TM in that way, makes the effortlessness of TM seem like playing chess. I started laughing at my discovery that I got from a library book. There was a point to this post that was relevant to your comment but I got carried away with the memory Turning within! Yes, he's right but there are so many ways of doing it that I wonder if anyone knows them all. Or even how effective they are for different people, or if some should be avoided by different people. So I'm not sure I'd recommend my approach to a newbie TMer because it's hard to explain. It's the sort of thing you have to find your own way through. So the bottom line for me is not being too dogmatic about it whichever type you do, but don't create confusion in the minds of the unenlightened. Damn, I'm rambling and there's something good on TV. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am learning another off a friend soon - what you need is the self instinct tto know when a particular type will have most benefit depending on how you feel at the time. Onwards and upwards. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, from your comments I wonder if you've ever NOT done your TM. What happened? What happened is what happens. Minus the belief stage. Without that, what is it really? More, less or identical? There's only one way to find out. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but that doesn't mean he didn't do a lot in teaching meditation and popularising spiritual seeking This is something that even M's critics sometimes say, and I disagree. He
Re: [FairfieldLife] Lucid-dreaming query
On 12/1/2014 11:40 AM, Share Long wrote: salyavin, a troll for me is someone who writes with a malicious tone. I don't get that from Richard's posts. /Troll - A person who sends duplicitous messages to get angry responses./ /Trolls are sometimes caricatured as socially inept. This is often due to the fundamental attribution error, as it is impossible to know the real traits of an individual solely from their online discourse. Indeed, since intentional trolls are alleged to knowingly flout social boundaries, it is difficult to typecast them as socially inept since they have arguably proven adept at their goal./
Re: [FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the movement
I wish the question and answer part was on the video but it wasn't. Hard to believe that anyone could swallow any of this stuff from Hammond. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the movement --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So what was the atmosphere like after? Were the people receptive or did they think he was full of vedic baloney? I couldn't get a read because I had run into an old friend from MIU and his wife and turned all my attention on them. People were freak'n exhausted. Many people had traveled a long way. I had some people tentatively asked me what I thought, not wanting to commit. When I articulated some of the issues I saw they agreed enthusiastically as if I had given their feelings the words they needed. Most of these people have not been articulating skepticism, which is what I pour over my cereal every morning. But I only talked with a few people and most were certainly not on my burn the whole F'er down POV. They had more skin in the game than I do. I did articulate my opinion to Jerry and his wife but I didn't get the feeling that they were buying anything I was saying. They have their own mysterious compass about all this, had traveled from Cali, and had a lot more than just skin in this game. They had their entire lives. I wasn't trying to piss on their parade. The message was very sympathetic to Jerry's situation with the movement. He heard it all through a lifetime of experiences I have no idea about. I thought I felt a change in the room when George went through the improbable list of his own incarnations, but it might just have been me. Now in the questions period there was one that was interesting. He said that in his understanding people would progress through incarnations of better and better lives and states of development, and although he loved Mark Twain, that seemed like a big step from Brighu, Maharishi's dad! It was an excellent point and George danced around about judging what state anyone was in in their life. But we all knew, his incarnations sequence was not an upgrade parade! I think most of the people had lived with so much ambiguity in their lives with their own maturity (we were a grey haired group) that they might not have to make the kind of clear judgement I am comfortable with. I think they will just pick out something they liked and forget the rest. There was a lack of interaction between all of us that was a bit of a disconnect. I think people were kind of processing it and were not ready to react. I feel more able to put my feelings down today better. I am probably not alone. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] George critique from the perspective of the movement I was so punch drunk last night from the Bataan Claims March I could only generate something flip. Thanks to anyone who enjoyed it and said so. I want to write two more posts about the day, one from the perspective of the Maharishi epistemology and one from my own. Maharishi's system had checks and balances. Like our US gov, he tried to create a trifecta of, personal experience, scriptural verification, a master's interpretation of that connection and sometimes, when it was convenient, scientific verification. (Or at least the appearance of that.) Although it is obvious that this system has the major flaw that the deck is stacked in the Guru's hands, it was Maharishi's party and when I was in TM, that was just fine with me. But even he, self confident to the grandiose as he was, never said:F the scriptures I am DA MAN. He paid lip service to a system that doesn't allow someone to step up and bypass the whole Vedic teaching and what his own guru taught to declare that there is a new sheriff in town. Maharishi then went ahead and did what he wanted like selling mantras for cash which is a violation of tradition and scripture, but he upheld the principle of following tradition while ignoring the inconvenient parts that limited cash flow. (Young biddies needs they fine new saris and chains before dey gets on dem private planes.) George's message was a contradiction to the fundamental principles of Maharishi's system. It contradicted specific claims about the nature of reality that Maharishi explicitly taught. He had to paint it all as Maharishi himself realizing that he had been wrong to sell it. Maharishi's spiritual crisis after death was George saying, Maharishi was not the master we thought he was. He was a part of a team, and the whole team, (who George now conveniently represents) says THIS now. Maharishi never tried to speak with the combined authority of Guru
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November
Sometimes I laugh like hell when I read your posts sometimes - a pagan piss up! I assume that means a lot of drinking alcohol, but I'm not sure. Sounds hilarious though to me. And I can't imagine why the local teachers don't like you though. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Ahh, Sal, your reply is rich with fodder for further discussion! Oh good! For starters what the heck is Crimbo shopping? I hope it has nothing to do with tossing or tossering or whatever the verb is that comes out of the noun tosser. You may know it as Christmas shopping, I prefer the term Crimbo, or Crimble, because it removes the last vestige of religion from what is basically a massive Pagan piss up and consumer greed frenzy. Some people still get all Nativity and Jesus about it but not me, even though I like the bible stories it's more an all-things-to-all-men festival. You also reveal that you don't think TM is appropriate in all situations! What TM blasphemy that is! Do your friends from Skelmersdale know you believe that? Shhh! Keep it down, they might read this. Seriously, I do tell them and there's a multitude of responses from blank ignoring to asking me what it's like. I've only had a few lectures about how mindfulness is rubbish compared to TM because blah, blah, concentrating blah, blah, only works because the mind gives up etc. But people who actually like you don't care what you do. As long as you don't do it on the dome, which I wouldn't anyway. One observation is that I only like it and get results because I've been doing TM for so long, and there's no way to prove otherwise but it's always said in a kind of you owe it to us way. I can't see the harm in discussing it but TM teachers would change the subject in a centre I think. I'd try it just to see but the local teachers don't like me much so I never go round LOL. Also, I am fairly sure Share was not aware that your good experiences may come from a mix of TM and other techniques when she was attempting to tweak my nose some time ago asking me why I felt TM was no good when you obviously have good experiences with TM - but now we know you have good experiences from TM and other techniques. This poses a dilemma for all TB'er governors. If they were asked How come Sal has such good experiences with TM plus other stuff and I just unstress all the time? what would that poor governor say? Like I say above I guess. They'd say: if he hadn't done TM for 20 years he wouldn't be having good mindful experiences. And then you can go on to explain the differences as discoursed incorrectly by Marshy in his why TM is best lecture and then introduce the Only have your feet in one boat at a timet anecdote and your home and dry! I would have made a good TM teacher I think. I still remember the shpiell. I might do it and start a new career. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : So you switch around and do whatever you feel in the moment, you don't just do TM twice a day like a good TM lad? Sometimes I do go recklessly of the programme yes. But certain situations require particular solutions. For instance, I was down the beach for the sunrise on saturday and after I'd got my photo I thought I'd have a meddy on a bench before doing some Crimbo shopping. I tried TM but was a bit tired and it didn't settle at all, so I did this mindful technique I picked up and had what I can only describe as a vision of my eternal soul. At least that's what others would call it, I go along with that as it sounds cool. The point is, if I'd stuck with 20 mins of TM I wouldn't have enjoyed it as I'm well aware of how it goes if you just aren't in the mood. The TMO describe it as unstressing that you have to go through but give me a wild and peaceful trip instead of uncomfortableness that can be avoided. There's more than one way to cook a goose! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Live Stream | 30th November ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, huh?! You had written to MJ that you continue doing TM because it's better than not doing it. So I was simply asking what happened when you didn't do it. Oh right, every question is a chance to give the answer I've already prepared ;-) What happens is, the feeling of TM-ness wears off. If you miss it it's telling you to start again. If not then maybe it's time to do something else. I know about 3 effective techniques - and am
