Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Amani Oakley]

Sheila, I would be very surprised if you found your boy in any sort of crisis 
when he weighs 16-17 pounds. Most of the time, cats affected by FeLV are small 
and scrawny. Cats can carry FeLV, so it is possible he is a carrier. You are 
not near any kind of a problem if he is such a big boy. See what his bloodwork 
shows, but I seriously doubt there will be something of real concern.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-31-16 9:10 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Thank you for the info.  He gets bloodwork next week.  I am nervous, he started 
sneezing yesterday.  He is a  healthy and pretty hefty eater.  He refuses soft 
food but he is eats hard food and loves cat milk.  He probably weights about 
16-17 pounds.  I am just trying to help him before he gets sick.  The iFA test 
was positive also.  I only had him since February when he strayed in.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 3:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ardy

>From my research, I see that Doxycycline is found to interfere with RNA 
>replication, which is how viruses reproduce. Thus, my theory (based on my 
>observations of what happened with my FeLV little boy AND weekly blood work) 
>is that with the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisolone/Winstrol each does 
>something different and leaving out one of them will often not give you good 
>results.

The Winstrol pumps up red cell production, promotes bone cell reproduction 
(that's why it can be used in older adults with osteoporosis), which in turn 
eventually increases white cell, red cell and platelet numbers since the 
progenitor cells (those that make these three cell lines) are all found in the 
bone marrow and are all attacked by the FeLV virus.

However, the problem is that since the Winstrol does nothing to the virus 
itself, the virus will continue to attack both bone marrow and white cells, 
ultimately killing the cells it attacks, or diverting them from their normal 
activities (producing cells lines or attacking intruders) and instead turning 
them into virus-making machines, causing a greater and greater load of viruses 
in the body. This obviously will eventually overpower the good that the 
Winstrol is doing, since the viruses will keep attacking the new cells being 
promoted by the Winstrol.

The Doxycycline does not kill the viruses. It is an antibiotic, and is unable 
to kill viruses. However, it blocks the virus replication. It is my theory that 
by doing this, it slows down the virus reproduction, allowing the Winstrol to 
pump up the numbers of red cells, white cells, and platelets, without having to 
outcompete the rampant virus reproduction. Once the body gets back to a safe 
zone in terms of red cells, white cells and platelets, it is able to withstand 
and/or fight the viruses more effectively. My view, though, is that there are 
still viruses in the system, and this battle will be waged pretty near 
indefinitely. With Zander, I kept him on the Winstrol/Doxycycline/Prednisone 
combination for almost a year before I was able to wean him down and not see a 
drop in red cells when I did so. For the rest of his life, I watched him like a 
hawk and any time I felt that his gums were looking a bit paler, or his ears or 
pads were, I would put him back on for a period of time - maybe 6 weeks - until 
his colour returned to normal or I tested his blood and was reassured he was 
okay. Over the years, I found I didn't need to do this as often, so whether the 
body finally is able to win the war on the viruses, or the viruses ultimately 
begin to die off, I'm not sure. I think that the Doxycycline also interferes 
with virus cell wall development, and without an intact viral cell wall, the 
virus will die. Thus, I think that using Doxycycline over time will (a) 
interfere with viral reproduction, keeping viral numbers at a lower level and 
(b) the viruses that do reproduce will have cell wall defects which will mean 
they will die.

To complete the medication picture, as far as I understand it, the Prednisone 
or Prednisolone works to protect the liver, but also dampens down the immune 
response and the virus can cause problems in the areas it attacks (like the 
intestines, for example). I think the Prednisone helps with that.

With respect to the gut, I also learned that the stomach and intestines are 
attacked by the virus, and initially, even when  I could get Zander to eat, he 
would often end up throwing it up. I learned that the intestines aren't acting 
normally and the food doesn't move properly through the intestines, and when it 
stagnates in one spot, it can cause inflammation in that area and other 
problems with the intestinal walls. I theref

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium]

Thank you for the info.  He gets bloodwork next week.  I am nervous, he started 
sneezing yesterday.  He is a  healthy and pretty hefty eater.  He refuses soft 
food but he is eats hard food and loves cat milk.  He probably weights about 
16-17 pounds.  I am just trying to help him before he gets sick.  The iFA test 
was positive also.  I only had him since February when he strayed in.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 3:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ardy

>From my research, I see that Doxycycline is found to interfere with RNA 
>replication, which is how viruses reproduce. Thus, my theory (based on my 
>observations of what happened with my FeLV little boy AND weekly blood work) 
>is that with the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisolone/Winstrol each does 
>something different and leaving out one of them will often not give you good 
>results.

The Winstrol pumps up red cell production, promotes bone cell reproduction 
(that's why it can be used in older adults with osteoporosis), which in turn 
eventually increases white cell, red cell and platelet numbers since the 
progenitor cells (those that make these three cell lines) are all found in the 
bone marrow and are all attacked by the FeLV virus.

However, the problem is that since the Winstrol does nothing to the virus 
itself, the virus will continue to attack both bone marrow and white cells, 
ultimately killing the cells it attacks, or diverting them from their normal 
activities (producing cells lines or attacking intruders) and instead turning 
them into virus-making machines, causing a greater and greater load of viruses 
in the body. This obviously will eventually overpower the good that the 
Winstrol is doing, since the viruses will keep attacking the new cells being 
promoted by the Winstrol.

The Doxycycline does not kill the viruses. It is an antibiotic, and is unable 
to kill viruses. However, it blocks the virus replication. It is my theory that 
by doing this, it slows down the virus reproduction, allowing the Winstrol to 
pump up the numbers of red cells, white cells, and platelets, without having to 
outcompete the rampant virus reproduction. Once the body gets back to a safe 
zone in terms of red cells, white cells and platelets, it is able to withstand 
and/or fight the viruses more effectively. My view, though, is that there are 
still viruses in the system, and this battle will be waged pretty near 
indefinitely. With Zander, I kept him on the Winstrol/Doxycycline/Prednisone 
combination for almost a year before I was able to wean him down and not see a 
drop in red cells when I did so. For the rest of his life, I watched him like a 
hawk and any time I felt that his gums were looking a bit paler, or his ears or 
pads were, I would put him back on for a period of time - maybe 6 weeks - until 
his colour returned to normal or I tested his blood and was reassured he was 
okay. Over the years, I found I didn't need to do this as often, so whether the 
body finally is able to win the war on the viruses, or the viruses ultimately 
begin to die off, I'm not sure. I think that the Doxycycline also interferes 
with virus cell wall development, and without an intact viral cell wall, the 
virus will die. Thus, I think that using Doxycycline over time will (a) 
interfere with viral reproduction, keeping viral numbers at a lower level and 
(b) the viruses that do reproduce will have cell wall defects which will mean 
they will die.

To complete the medication picture, as far as I understand it, the Prednisone 
or Prednisolone works to protect the liver, but also dampens down the immune 
response and the virus can cause problems in the areas it attacks (like the 
intestines, for example). I think the Prednisone helps with that.

With respect to the gut, I also learned that the stomach and intestines are 
attacked by the virus, and initially, even when  I could get Zander to eat, he 
would often end up throwing it up. I learned that the intestines aren't acting 
normally and the food doesn't move properly through the intestines, and when it 
stagnates in one spot, it can cause inflammation in that area and other 
problems with the intestinal walls. I therefore added Metoclopromide to 
Zander's regime - just a tiny tiny 1/5 of a table. This helps increase the 
peristaltic action of the stomach and intestines, moves the food through more 
rapidly, thus making the cat feel better, preventing vomiting and avoiding the 
danger of the stool stagnating in one spot and causing or contributing to 
inflammation and other problems in the intestines.

I think I was successful with Zander, pulling him through a several serious 
life-threatening crises, because I used this combination. I didn't start with 
this combination, but as I learned more about the disease and what caused it, 
and how the cat body reac

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Amani Oakley]

Thanks Ardy. You did all the heavy lifting for poor Tigger. I am sorry I 
couldn't do more. Thank you for your kind comments, but they are hardly 
deserved. I am doing so little, but hope that by spreading the word, I might be 
able to help others looking for some options.

I am thrilled you got to pat Wild Thing today. Hopefully, he soon figures out 
the heaven that awaits him if he smartens up and comes inside with you.

Glad to hear Topaz is doing so well with you.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: October-30-16 8:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Thanks Amani,
I will save this email so I can review it later if necessary. You have guided 
so many pet-loving care givers in their fight against FeLV, it might not be a 
bad idea for you to type up your guidelines so you can just copy/paste :)

And I will tell you again how much I appreciate all the help you gave me with 
Tigger. Our dear little Topaz has eased our grief of course, but we will always 
have a special place in our heart for our Tigger Babe! And good news - 
yesterday I was able to pet Wild Thing for the first time. He put up with it 
because he was eating. I petted him twice yesterday and twice today, so 
progress is being made there too.

Ardy

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ardy

>From my research, I see that Doxycycline is found to interfere with RNA 
>replication, which is how viruses reproduce. Thus, my theory (based on my 
>observations of what happened with my FeLV little boy AND weekly blood work) 
>is that with the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisolone/Winstrol each does 
>something different and leaving out one of them will often not give you good 
>results.

The Winstrol pumps up red cell production, promotes bone cell reproduction 
(that's why it can be used in older adults with osteoporosis), which in turn 
eventually increases white cell, red cell and platelet numbers since the 
progenitor cells (those that make these three cell lines) are all found in the 
bone marrow and are all attacked by the FeLV virus.

However, the problem is that since the Winstrol does nothing to the virus 
itself, the virus will continue to attack both bone marrow and white cells, 
ultimately killing the cells it attacks, or diverting them from their normal 
activities (producing cells lines or attacking intruders) and instead turning 
them into virus-making machines, causing a greater and greater load of viruses 
in the body. This obviously will eventually overpower the good that the 
Winstrol is doing, since the viruses will keep attacking the new cells being 
promoted by the Winstrol.

The Doxycycline does not kill the viruses. It is an antibiotic, and is unable 
to kill viruses. However, it blocks the virus replication. It is my theory that 
by doing this, it slows down the virus reproduction, allowing the Winstrol to 
pump up the numbers of red cells, white cells, and platelets, without having to 
outcompete the rampant virus reproduction. Once the body gets back to a safe 
zone in terms of red cells, white cells and platelets, it is able to withstand 
and/or fight the viruses more effectively. My view, though, is that there are 
still viruses in the system, and this battle will be waged pretty near 
indefinitely. With Zander, I kept him on the Winstrol/Doxycycline/Prednisone 
combination for almost a year before I was able to wean him down and not see a 
drop in red cells when I did so. For the rest of his life, I watched him like a 
hawk and any time I felt that his gums were looking a bit paler, or his ears or 
pads were, I would put him back on for a period of time - maybe 6 weeks - until 
his colour returned to normal or I tested his blood and was reassured he was 
okay. Over the years, I found I didn't need to do this as often, so whether the 
body finally is able to win the war on the viruses, or the viruses ultimately 
begin to die off, I'm not sure. I think that the Doxycycline also interferes 
with virus cell wall development, and without an intact viral cell wall, the 
virus will die. Thus, I think that using Doxycycline over time will (a) 
interfere with viral reproduction, keeping viral numbers at a lower level and 
(b) the viruses that do reproduce will have cell wall defects which will mean 
they will die.

To complete the medication picture, as far as I understand it, the Prednisone 
or Prednisolone works to protect the liver, but also dampens down the immune 
response and the virus can cause problems in the areas it attacks (like the 
intestines, for example). I think the Prednisone helps with that.

With respect to the gut, I also learned that the stomach and intestines are 
attacked by the virus, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks Amani,

I will save this email so I can review it later if necessary. You have
guided so many pet-loving care givers in their fight against FeLV, it might
not be a bad idea for you to type up your guidelines so you can just
copy/paste :) 

 

And I will tell you again how much I appreciate all the help you gave me
with Tigger. Our dear little Topaz has eased our grief of course, but we
will always have a special place in our heart for our Tigger Babe! And good
news - yesterday I was able to pet Wild Thing for the first time. He put up
with it because he was eating. I petted him twice yesterday and twice today,
so progress is being made there too.

 

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

 

Ardy

 

>From my research, I see that Doxycycline is found to interfere with RNA
replication, which is how viruses reproduce. Thus, my theory (based on my
observations of what happened with my FeLV little boy AND weekly blood work)
is that with the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisolone/Winstrol each does
something different and leaving out one of them will often not give you good
results.

 

The Winstrol pumps up red cell production, promotes bone cell reproduction
(that's why it can be used in older adults with osteoporosis), which in turn
eventually increases white cell, red cell and platelet numbers since the
progenitor cells (those that make these three cell lines) are all found in
the bone marrow and are all attacked by the FeLV virus. 

 

However, the problem is that since the Winstrol does nothing to the virus
itself, the virus will continue to attack both bone marrow and white cells,
ultimately killing the cells it attacks, or diverting them from their normal
activities (producing cells lines or attacking intruders) and instead
turning them into virus-making machines, causing a greater and greater load
of viruses in the body. This obviously will eventually overpower the good
that the Winstrol is doing, since the viruses will keep attacking the new
cells being promoted by the Winstrol.

 

The Doxycycline does not kill the viruses. It is an antibiotic, and is
unable to kill viruses. However, it blocks the virus replication. It is my
theory that by doing this, it slows down the virus reproduction, allowing
the Winstrol to pump up the numbers of red cells, white cells, and
platelets, without having to outcompete the rampant virus reproduction. Once
the body gets back to a safe zone in terms of red cells, white cells and
platelets, it is able to withstand and/or fight the viruses more
effectively. My view, though, is that there are still viruses in the system,
and this battle will be waged pretty near indefinitely. With Zander, I kept
him on the Winstrol/Doxycycline/Prednisone combination for almost a year
before I was able to wean him down and not see a drop in red cells when I
did so. For the rest of his life, I watched him like a hawk and any time I
felt that his gums were looking a bit paler, or his ears or pads were, I
would put him back on for a period of time - maybe 6 weeks - until his
colour returned to normal or I tested his blood and was reassured he was
okay. Over the years, I found I didn't need to do this as often, so whether
the body finally is able to win the war on the viruses, or the viruses
ultimately begin to die off, I'm not sure. I think that the Doxycycline also
interferes with virus cell wall development, and without an intact viral
cell wall, the virus will die. Thus, I think that using Doxycycline over
time will (a) interfere with viral reproduction, keeping viral numbers at a
lower level and (b) the viruses that do reproduce will have cell wall
defects which will mean they will die. 

 

To complete the medication picture, as far as I understand it, the
Prednisone or Prednisolone works to protect the liver, but also dampens down
the immune response and the virus can cause problems in the areas it attacks
(like the intestines, for example). I think the Prednisone helps with that.

 

With respect to the gut, I also learned that the stomach and intestines are
attacked by the virus, and initially, even when  I could get Zander to eat,
he would often end up throwing it up. I learned that the intestines aren't
acting normally and the food doesn't move properly through the intestines,
and when it stagnates in one spot, it can cause inflammation in that area
and other problems with the intestinal walls. I therefore added
Metoclopromide to Zander's regime - just a tiny tiny 1/5 of a table. This
helps increase the peristaltic action of the stomach and intestines, moves
the food through more rapidly, thus making the cat feel better, preventing
vomiting and avoiding the danger of the stool stagnating in one spot and
causing or contributing to inflammation and other problems in the
intestines.

 

I think I was success

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Ardy Robertson]

You must be doing something right Margo, to keep them healthy that long :)

 

Thank you,

Ardy Robertson, Clerk

Town of Garfield – Jackson County, WI

N14438 Valleybrook Ln

Osseo  WI  54758

715-533-0661

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

 


My take on Interferon was not that it is meant to be a specific treatment or 
"cure" for anything, just keep them alive by helping with their immune system. 
I have two on it, and they have been interferon for over 3 years. Mako is 
winding down, but he is also hyperthyroid, had feline triaditis, is anemic, and 
is prone to urinary blockage (struvite). He's also 15.

Gribble is currently (knocking on wood) asymptomatic.

I can't say that the interferon is responsible for their (relative) longevity, 
but it's the only thing they've been on consistently.

Margo



-Original Message- 
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Oct 28, 2016 10:45 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon 




I did use Interferon for my Tigger. I also gave it 7 days on, 7 days off, for 
about 2 months. I did not notice any improvement from it at all. When I finally 
started the Winstrol (other name is Stanizolol) along with Prednisolone, we got 
a very marked improvement in his blood work. I have found out that there is 
strong evidence that Doxycyclene added to this treatment regimen can inhibit 
the duplication of the FeLV virus. Amani could explain this much better than me.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 6:35 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon

 

Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on 
that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to 
give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.  I 
heard it wasn’t as effective after 3 months use.  It’s 7 days on  and 7 days 
off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2 weeks.  His 
gums were very white so I hope he isn’t anemic.  

 

 

 

HOOT

Sheila Armstrong-Brown 

Administrative Aide 

Psych Pool

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Amani Oakley]

Ardy

>From my research, I see that Doxycycline is found to interfere with RNA 
>replication, which is how viruses reproduce. Thus, my theory (based on my 
>observations of what happened with my FeLV little boy AND weekly blood work) 
>is that with the combination of Doxycycline/Prednisolone/Winstrol each does 
>something different and leaving out one of them will often not give you good 
>results.

The Winstrol pumps up red cell production, promotes bone cell reproduction 
(that's why it can be used in older adults with osteoporosis), which in turn 
eventually increases white cell, red cell and platelet numbers since the 
progenitor cells (those that make these three cell lines) are all found in the 
bone marrow and are all attacked by the FeLV virus.

However, the problem is that since the Winstrol does nothing to the virus 
itself, the virus will continue to attack both bone marrow and white cells, 
ultimately killing the cells it attacks, or diverting them from their normal 
activities (producing cells lines or attacking intruders) and instead turning 
them into virus-making machines, causing a greater and greater load of viruses 
in the body. This obviously will eventually overpower the good that the 
Winstrol is doing, since the viruses will keep attacking the new cells being 
promoted by the Winstrol.

The Doxycycline does not kill the viruses. It is an antibiotic, and is unable 
to kill viruses. However, it blocks the virus replication. It is my theory that 
by doing this, it slows down the virus reproduction, allowing the Winstrol to 
pump up the numbers of red cells, white cells, and platelets, without having to 
outcompete the rampant virus reproduction. Once the body gets back to a safe 
zone in terms of red cells, white cells and platelets, it is able to withstand 
and/or fight the viruses more effectively. My view, though, is that there are 
still viruses in the system, and this battle will be waged pretty near 
indefinitely. With Zander, I kept him on the Winstrol/Doxycycline/Prednisone 
combination for almost a year before I was able to wean him down and not see a 
drop in red cells when I did so. For the rest of his life, I watched him like a 
hawk and any time I felt that his gums were looking a bit paler, or his ears or 
pads were, I would put him back on for a period of time - maybe 6 weeks - until 
his colour returned to normal or I tested his blood and was reassured he was 
okay. Over the years, I found I didn't need to do this as often, so whether the 
body finally is able to win the war on the viruses, or the viruses ultimately 
begin to die off, I'm not sure. I think that the Doxycycline also interferes 
with virus cell wall development, and without an intact viral cell wall, the 
virus will die. Thus, I think that using Doxycycline over time will (a) 
interfere with viral reproduction, keeping viral numbers at a lower level and 
(b) the viruses that do reproduce will have cell wall defects which will mean 
they will die.

To complete the medication picture, as far as I understand it, the Prednisone 
or Prednisolone works to protect the liver, but also dampens down the immune 
response and the virus can cause problems in the areas it attacks (like the 
intestines, for example). I think the Prednisone helps with that.

With respect to the gut, I also learned that the stomach and intestines are 
attacked by the virus, and initially, even when  I could get Zander to eat, he 
would often end up throwing it up. I learned that the intestines aren't acting 
normally and the food doesn't move properly through the intestines, and when it 
stagnates in one spot, it can cause inflammation in that area and other 
problems with the intestinal walls. I therefore added Metoclopromide to 
Zander's regime - just a tiny tiny 1/5 of a table. This helps increase the 
peristaltic action of the stomach and intestines, moves the food through more 
rapidly, thus making the cat feel better, preventing vomiting and avoiding the 
danger of the stool stagnating in one spot and causing or contributing to 
inflammation and other problems in the intestines.

I think I was successful with Zander, pulling him through a several serious 
life-threatening crises, because I used this combination. I didn't start with 
this combination, but as I learned more about the disease and what caused it, 
and how the cat body reacted to it, I would discuss my theories with my vet, 
and she was good enough to agree to my attempts to address each of these 
problems in turn.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: October-28-16 10:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

I did use Interferon for my Tigger. I also gave it 7 days on, 7 days off, for 
about 2 months. I did not notice any improvement from it at all. When I finally 
started the Winstrol (other name is Stanizolol) along with Prednisolone, we got 
a very 

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Margo]

My take on Interferon was not that it is meant to be a specific treatment or "cure" for anything, just keep them alive by helping with their immune system. I have two on it, and they have been interferon for over 3 years. Mako is winding down, but he is also hyperthyroid, had feline triaditis, is anemic, and is prone to urinary blockage (struvite). He's also 15.Gribble is currently (knocking on wood) asymptomatic.I can't say that the interferon is responsible for their (relative) longevity, but it's the only thing they've been on consistently.Margo-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Sent: Oct 28, 2016 10:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

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<zzz![endif]-->I did use Interferon for my Tigger. I also gave it 7 days on, 7 days off, for about 2 months. I did not notice any improvement from it at all. When I finally started the Winstrol (other name is Stanizolol) along with Prednisolone, we got a very marked improvement in his blood work. I have found out that there is strong evidence that Doxycyclene added to this treatment regimen can inhibit the duplication of the FeLV virus. Amani could explain this much better than me.Ardy  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS TimoniumSent: Friday, October 28, 2016 6:35 AMTo: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.  I heard it wasn’t as effective after 3 months use.  It’s 7 days on  and 7 days off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2 weeks.  His gums were very white so I hope he isn’t anemic.     HOOTSheila Armstrong-Brown Administrative Aide Psych Pool 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Ardy Robertson]

I did use Interferon for my Tigger. I also gave it 7 days on, 7 days off,
for about 2 months. I did not notice any improvement from it at all. When I
finally started the Winstrol (other name is Stanizolol) along with
Prednisolone, we got a very marked improvement in his blood work. I have
found out that there is strong evidence that Doxycyclene added to this
treatment regimen can inhibit the duplication of the FeLV virus. Amani could
explain this much better than me.

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 6:35 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon

 

Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on
that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to
give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.
I heard it wasn't as effective after 3 months use.  It's 7 days on  and 7
days off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2
weeks.  His gums were very white so I hope he isn't anemic.  

 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium]

I am staying ahead of him.  He was dropped at my farm at a year old, he is 
almost 2.  He is very healthy at the moment.  Doing all I can to keep it that 
way.  We need to find a cure.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

As long as he is eating, that is good news, but I agree with you that you want 
to get in front of any looming anemia, and the Winstrol does a good job of that 
in many cases.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 10:20 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ok, thanks.  My 2nd job is at a vets office so he works with me.  Skylar is 
healthy right now and eating like a pig.  So I hope he keeps that up.  I won't 
use it until after I see what his blood work says in acouple weeks.


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

I usually use it in pill form - 1 mg 2x a day, though some vets get it in 
liquid form. Winstrol is also known as Stanazolol. Warning: you are new to this 
group so you may not know of the extreme difficulty most people face when 
trying to get this stuff because it is linked with sports doping scandals. 
Expect an immediate negative response from your vet, though a few of us have 
been lucky to have vets willing to work with us and do what it takes to try and 
save a FeLV+ kitty.

The vet won't have this in stock. It needs to be obtained from a compounding 
pharmacy.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 9:27 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Is that a liquid?  From a vets office?

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

I also used LTCI before moving on to Winstrol. I had my cat on it for 6 months 
and monitored his blood weekly. Nothing budged at all in terms of seeing any 
improvements in haemoglobin, haematocrit, hemoglobin, etc.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 9:24 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ok thank you, I will check with the vet about that one today.  If he is anemic, 
I am thinking of checking into the Lymphocyte T-cell immunodulator.  Thanks for 
your help

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Sheila

I haven't had any effect from using Interferon on a FeLV cat, but others in 
this group have. However, if Skyler's gums are white, it sounds very much like 
he is anemic. If the Interferon isn't helping, I suggest a 
Winstrol/Prednisolone/Doxycycline regime.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 7:35 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on 
that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to 
give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.  I 
heard it wasn't as effective after 3 months use.  It's 7 days on  and 7 days 
off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2 weeks.  His 
gums were very white so I hope he isn't anemic.



HOOT
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Amani Oakley]

As long as he is eating, that is good news, but I agree with you that you want 
to get in front of any looming anemia, and the Winstrol does a good job of that 
in many cases.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 10:20 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ok, thanks.  My 2nd job is at a vets office so he works with me.  Skylar is 
healthy right now and eating like a pig.  So I hope he keeps that up.  I won't 
use it until after I see what his blood work says in acouple weeks.


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

I usually use it in pill form - 1 mg 2x a day, though some vets get it in 
liquid form. Winstrol is also known as Stanazolol. Warning: you are new to this 
group so you may not know of the extreme difficulty most people face when 
trying to get this stuff because it is linked with sports doping scandals. 
Expect an immediate negative response from your vet, though a few of us have 
been lucky to have vets willing to work with us and do what it takes to try and 
save a FeLV+ kitty.

The vet won't have this in stock. It needs to be obtained from a compounding 
pharmacy.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 9:27 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Is that a liquid?  From a vets office?

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

I also used LTCI before moving on to Winstrol. I had my cat on it for 6 months 
and monitored his blood weekly. Nothing budged at all in terms of seeing any 
improvements in haemoglobin, haematocrit, hemoglobin, etc.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 9:24 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ok thank you, I will check with the vet about that one today.  If he is anemic, 
I am thinking of checking into the Lymphocyte T-cell immunodulator.  Thanks for 
your help

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Sheila

I haven't had any effect from using Interferon on a FeLV cat, but others in 
this group have. However, if Skyler's gums are white, it sounds very much like 
he is anemic. If the Interferon isn't helping, I suggest a 
Winstrol/Prednisolone/Doxycycline regime.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 7:35 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on 
that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to 
give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.  I 
heard it wasn't as effective after 3 months use.  It's 7 days on  and 7 days 
off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2 weeks.  His 
gums were very white so I hope he isn't anemic.



HOOT
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium]

Ok, thanks.  My 2nd job is at a vets office so he works with me.  Skylar is 
healthy right now and eating like a pig.  So I hope he keeps that up.  I won't 
use it until after I see what his blood work says in acouple weeks.


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

I usually use it in pill form - 1 mg 2x a day, though some vets get it in 
liquid form. Winstrol is also known as Stanazolol. Warning: you are new to this 
group so you may not know of the extreme difficulty most people face when 
trying to get this stuff because it is linked with sports doping scandals. 
Expect an immediate negative response from your vet, though a few of us have 
been lucky to have vets willing to work with us and do what it takes to try and 
save a FeLV+ kitty.

The vet won't have this in stock. It needs to be obtained from a compounding 
pharmacy.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 9:27 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Is that a liquid?  From a vets office?

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

I also used LTCI before moving on to Winstrol. I had my cat on it for 6 months 
and monitored his blood weekly. Nothing budged at all in terms of seeing any 
improvements in haemoglobin, haematocrit, hemoglobin, etc.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 9:24 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ok thank you, I will check with the vet about that one today.  If he is anemic, 
I am thinking of checking into the Lymphocyte T-cell immunodulator.  Thanks for 
your help

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Sheila

I haven't had any effect from using Interferon on a FeLV cat, but others in 
this group have. However, if Skyler's gums are white, it sounds very much like 
he is anemic. If the Interferon isn't helping, I suggest a 
Winstrol/Prednisolone/Doxycycline regime.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 7:35 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on 
that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to 
give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.  I 
heard it wasn't as effective after 3 months use.  It's 7 days on  and 7 days 
off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2 weeks.  His 
gums were very white so I hope he isn't anemic.



HOOT
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Amani Oakley]

I usually use it in pill form - 1 mg 2x a day, though some vets get it in 
liquid form. Winstrol is also known as Stanazolol. Warning: you are new to this 
group so you may not know of the extreme difficulty most people face when 
trying to get this stuff because it is linked with sports doping scandals. 
Expect an immediate negative response from your vet, though a few of us have 
been lucky to have vets willing to work with us and do what it takes to try and 
save a FeLV+ kitty.

The vet won't have this in stock. It needs to be obtained from a compounding 
pharmacy.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 9:27 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Is that a liquid?  From a vets office?

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

I also used LTCI before moving on to Winstrol. I had my cat on it for 6 months 
and monitored his blood weekly. Nothing budged at all in terms of seeing any 
improvements in haemoglobin, haematocrit, hemoglobin, etc.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 9:24 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ok thank you, I will check with the vet about that one today.  If he is anemic, 
I am thinking of checking into the Lymphocyte T-cell immunodulator.  Thanks for 
your help

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Sheila

I haven't had any effect from using Interferon on a FeLV cat, but others in 
this group have. However, if Skyler's gums are white, it sounds very much like 
he is anemic. If the Interferon isn't helping, I suggest a 
Winstrol/Prednisolone/Doxycycline regime.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 7:35 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on 
that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to 
give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.  I 
heard it wasn't as effective after 3 months use.  It's 7 days on  and 7 days 
off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2 weeks.  His 
gums were very white so I hope he isn't anemic.



HOOT
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium]

Is that a liquid?  From a vets office?

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

I also used LTCI before moving on to Winstrol. I had my cat on it for 6 months 
and monitored his blood weekly. Nothing budged at all in terms of seeing any 
improvements in haemoglobin, haematocrit, hemoglobin, etc.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 9:24 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ok thank you, I will check with the vet about that one today.  If he is anemic, 
I am thinking of checking into the Lymphocyte T-cell immunodulator.  Thanks for 
your help

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Sheila

I haven't had any effect from using Interferon on a FeLV cat, but others in 
this group have. However, if Skyler's gums are white, it sounds very much like 
he is anemic. If the Interferon isn't helping, I suggest a 
Winstrol/Prednisolone/Doxycycline regime.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 7:35 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on 
that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to 
give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.  I 
heard it wasn't as effective after 3 months use.  It's 7 days on  and 7 days 
off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2 weeks.  His 
gums were very white so I hope he isn't anemic.



HOOT
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Amani Oakley]

I also used LTCI before moving on to Winstrol. I had my cat on it for 6 months 
and monitored his blood weekly. Nothing budged at all in terms of seeing any 
improvements in haemoglobin, haematocrit, hemoglobin, etc.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 9:24 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Ok thank you, I will check with the vet about that one today.  If he is anemic, 
I am thinking of checking into the Lymphocyte T-cell immunodulator.  Thanks for 
your help

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Sheila

I haven't had any effect from using Interferon on a FeLV cat, but others in 
this group have. However, if Skyler's gums are white, it sounds very much like 
he is anemic. If the Interferon isn't helping, I suggest a 
Winstrol/Prednisolone/Doxycycline regime.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 7:35 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on 
that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to 
give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.  I 
heard it wasn't as effective after 3 months use.  It's 7 days on  and 7 days 
off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2 weeks.  His 
gums were very white so I hope he isn't anemic.



HOOT
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium]

Ok thank you, I will check with the vet about that one today.  If he is anemic, 
I am thinking of checking into the Lymphocyte T-cell immunodulator.  Thanks for 
your help

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 9:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Sheila

I haven't had any effect from using Interferon on a FeLV cat, but others in 
this group have. However, if Skyler's gums are white, it sounds very much like 
he is anemic. If the Interferon isn't helping, I suggest a 
Winstrol/Prednisolone/Doxycycline regime.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 7:35 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on 
that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to 
give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.  I 
heard it wasn't as effective after 3 months use.  It's 7 days on  and 7 days 
off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2 weeks.  His 
gums were very white so I hope he isn't anemic.



HOOT
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Amani Oakley]

Sheila

I haven't had any effect from using Interferon on a FeLV cat, but others in 
this group have. However, if Skyler's gums are white, it sounds very much like 
he is anemic. If the Interferon isn't helping, I suggest a 
Winstrol/Prednisolone/Doxycycline regime.

Amani

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Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
Sent: October-28-16 7:35 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Has anyone used this Interferon before on an FELV cat?  I started Skylar on 
that.  he is not sick but since the IFA test was also positive, I wanted to 
give him a booster to his immune system so he will hopefully not get sick.  I 
heard it wasn't as effective after 3 months use.  It's 7 days on  and 7 days 
off.  We are in the 3rd series.  I am having blood work taken in 2 weeks.  His 
gums were very white so I hope he isn't anemic.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Tina Terrell]

Thank you so much. Do you happen to know what pharmaceutical company?

On Oct 8, 2016 2:16 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:

> Tina
>
>
>
> Check on line. I think I ordered it from a vet pharmaceutical company and
> had it delivered to my vets (with their cooperation and assistance).
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Tina Terrell
> *Sent:* October-08-16 3:14 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lost Hodor
>
>
>
> Hello ! Can anyone tell me if Inteferon is available? My vet doesnt carry
> it due to expense.
> Thank you so much!
> Tina
>
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2016 2:11 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:
>
> Liz, I am so very very sorry. My heart aches for you. At least you know
> how much you did for Hodor, and he knew how adored he was. So few cats get
> to be so happy and cherished, even for a short time.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Liz McCarty
> *Sent:* October-08-16 1:04 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Lost Hodor
>
>
>
> We lost Hodor yesterday. It was extremely hard. He stopped eating and
> drinking. The vet had a hard time finding a vein for the catheter because
> of his anemia. It was so sad. Thank you all for your kind words and
> support. I wish that the vets could have done more to help him. FeLV sucks.
>
> Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Amani Oakley]

Tina

Check on line. I think I ordered it from a vet pharmaceutical company and had 
it delivered to my vets (with their cooperation and assistance).

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tina 
Terrell
Sent: October-08-16 3:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lost Hodor


Hello ! Can anyone tell me if Inteferon is available? My vet doesnt carry it 
due to expense.
Thank you so much!
Tina

On Oct 8, 2016 2:11 PM, "Amani Oakley" 
> wrote:
Liz, I am so very very sorry. My heart aches for you. At least you know how 
much you did for Hodor, and he knew how adored he was. So few cats get to be so 
happy and cherished, even for a short time.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Liz McCarty
Sent: October-08-16 1:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lost Hodor


We lost Hodor yesterday. It was extremely hard. He stopped eating and drinking. 
The vet had a hard time finding a vein for the catheter because of his anemia. 
It was so sad. Thank you all for your kind words and support. I wish that the 
vets could have done more to help him. FeLV sucks.

Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

[Roxanne Smith]

Margo, why did you decide against Retrovir/AZT.I still have two with feline 
leuk, and am having a hard time dealing with the loss of Tiffany. I feel as if 
the grief is overwhelming me. :.(

  From: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 5:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir
   
#yiv1129989914 #yiv1129989914 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv1129989914 OH! 

Retrovir is AZT.
 
No, I decided against that.

I do have immunoreglin in reserve...

Margo


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From: Roxanne Smith 
Sent: May 19, 2016 5:48 PM
To: felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir


| I may have asked this question before. However I am going to ask again. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

[Amani Oakley]

Margo

I also had a go with the Immunoregulin – delivered from the States urgently, 
and again, my experience was that it didn’t budge Zander’s haematology counts 
one bit, despite giving it a number of months to demonstrate whether it was 
effective or not. However, as I mentioned in my previous post, I just 
discovered that four different viruses or subspecies can cause FeLV, so it is 
not surprising we get different results. Also, I understand that none of the 
tests differentiate between the different viruses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: May-19-16 6:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

OH!

Retrovir is AZT.

No, I decided against that.

I do have immunoreglin in reserve...

Margo
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From: Roxanne Smith
Sent: May 19, 2016 5:48 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

[Margo]

OH! Retrovir is AZT. No, I decided against that.I do have immunoreglin in reserve...Margo-Original Message-
From: Roxanne Smith 
Sent: May 19, 2016 5:48 PM
To: felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

[Margo]

I'm unfamiliar with Retrovir, but both my boys have been on interferon since diagnosis. Don't know that it actually helps, but I'm sure not gonna stop it now!They're on 1 week on, 1 week off and the dose is .25mL of a 120 units per mL solution of Interferon Alpha (so the standard 30 units per cat, I just have  them compound it my way ). Used to get in from Roadrunner, but now from Diamondback Pharmacy.I also gave them DMG for a couple of months, but I have slacked off. I do  think it helped, and maybe it's time to pick it up again. When I see them feeling "off" the get a B-12 injection.HTH,Margo-Original Message-
From: Roxanne Smith 
Sent: May 19, 2016 5:48 PM
To: felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

[Amani Oakley]

I tried Zander on Interferon for a decent period of time - maybe 4 to 6 months 
- I can't remember exactly right now. His bloodwork didn't show any 
improvement, and in fact, the opposite. We watched as his values kept dropping 
after being bolstered by a blood transfusion. So my conclusion is that the 
Interferon did not stop the slide downwards as the effects of the blood 
transfusion obviously wore off.

I didn't try the retrovir, and I don't have any direct knowledge about it.

Amani

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Roxanne Smith
Sent: May-19-16 5:49 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Lance]

Hi Jetty,

You might check here for interferon alpha: http://www.roadrunnerpharmacy.com

Road Runner is an American pharmacy that specializes in medicine for animals. I 
have ordered interferon alpha from them a number of times.

I am surprised that interferon alpha, a human product, would be prohibitively 
expensive in the Netherlands, as it seems to be widely used and produced. I’m 
hoping that someone there can get it for you cheaper than it would cost to have 
it shipped overseas. 

I would seriously consider looking into Virbagen Omega, a feline recombinant 
interferon. It will be expensive, though it should be somewhat cheaper than it 
is for Americans (we need it flown overseas, overnight. VO is not given all the 
time. Usually, the doses are given over several weeks’ time, then the drug is 
discontinued. 

Virbagen Omega is the only treatment that has been proven to positively affect 
the course of the disease. All other drugs, including interferon alpha, have 
not shown any efficacy in scientific trials. See the Retrovirus Guidelines 
document available here:

http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines

Best wishes and hopes for you and your tomcat friend,

Lance

On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:45 AM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good day to you,
 
  I am new to your forum. 2 weeks ago a sweet tomcat decided that he wanted to 
 join our group of 6 cats. Since umber 7 seemed a bit too much I found him a 
 new owner but before given her this lovely guy. I went for a check up at the 
 vet. He saw that he suffered from amnesia and tested him on feline leukemia 
 and unfortunately this test turned out positive. As he is doing much better 
 now than 2 weeks ago. He gained a  lot of weight and starts playing again I 
 want to try to keep him healthy as long as possible. Looking for medicatons I 
 landed on your very informational website. I think I want to start by giving 
 him interferon alpha but this is very expensive in my country.
 
 I saw that a liquid interferoon should not be that expensive, but the island 
 pharmacy website is no longer in the air. Have you got another company and 
 website where I could buy this medication? If I go for treatment in the 
 Netherlands it will cost me 5 times as much.
 
 Thank you for your advise and keep up the good work.
 
 Jetty Dijkshoorn
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 jdidu...@dubai.com
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

Hi Lance,

thanks so much for your reply, very much appreciated. I checked on the
internet and found 10 ug at eur 152,00 at a webshop. Is that a price which
sounds reasonable to you as I have no clue at all. Talked to my vet this
afternoon and he was not that positive about using interferon. Wallie seems
to be doing right now he is eating a lot and is feelling much better than
when I let him in. The vet prescribed him antibiotics and a prednisone
treatment. If necessary will give him this interferom as well,

Waiting for your feedback,

Kind regards,
Jetty Dijkshoorn



2014-06-03 18:12 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:

 Hi Jetty,

 You might check here for interferon alpha:
 http://www.roadrunnerpharmacy.com

 Road Runner is an American pharmacy that specializes in medicine for
 animals. I have ordered interferon alpha from them a number of times.

 I am surprised that interferon alpha, a human product, would be
 prohibitively expensive in the Netherlands, as it seems to be widely used
 and produced. I’m hoping that someone there can get it for you cheaper than
 it would cost to have it shipped overseas.

 I would seriously consider looking into Virbagen Omega, a feline
 recombinant interferon. It will be expensive, though it should be somewhat
 cheaper than it is for Americans (we need it flown overseas, overnight. VO
 is not given all the time. Usually, the doses are given over several weeks’
 time, then the drug is discontinued.

 Virbagen Omega is the only treatment that has been proven to positively
 affect the course of the disease. All other drugs, including interferon
 alpha, have not shown any efficacy in scientific trials. See the Retrovirus
 Guidelines document available here:


 http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines

 Best wishes and hopes for you and your tomcat friend,

 Lance

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:45 AM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good day to you,

  I am new to your forum. 2 weeks ago a sweet tomcat decided that he wanted
 to join our group of 6 cats. Since umber 7 seemed a bit too much I found
 him a new owner but before given her this lovely guy. I went for a check up
 at the vet. He saw that he suffered from amnesia and tested him on feline
 leukemia and unfortunately this test turned out positive. As he is doing
 much better now than 2 weeks ago. He gained a  lot of weight and starts
 playing again I want to try to keep him healthy as long as possible.
 Looking for medicatons I landed on your very informational website. I think
 I want to start by giving him interferon alpha but this is very expensive
 in my country.

 I saw that a liquid interferoon should not be that expensive, but the
 island pharmacy website is no longer in the air. Have you got another
 company and website where I could buy this medication? If I go for
 treatment in the Netherlands it will cost me 5 times as much.

 Thank you for your advise and keep up the good work.

 Jetty Dijkshoorn
 Holland
 jdidu...@dubai.com

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Lance]

You’re welcome. I only wish I could help more.

30ml of interferon alpha costs me about $45 in the US. That includes shipping, 
I think. 

How is the tomcat’s anemia? Did the vet run new blood work to see if his 
feeling better correlates to a rise in red blood cell values?

Interferon alpha could be expensive over the long run, just because you (or the 
new owner) would be buying it monthly. If I was in your situation (particularly 
being in Europe), and my cat had presented with anemia, I would look into 
Virbagen Omega instead. This drug is available in France, so it seems like it 
should be available throughout western and central Europe. 

Virbagen Omega is made for cats, and according to the literature we have, it 
makes a difference in survival time. Interferon alpha is a human drug, and the 
only evidence we have that it helps is anecdotal, not scientific. I’m not 
saying it doesn’t help. I just lost my FeLV+ girl, Ember, who had the virus for 
a minimum of eight years, and she did very well. I used interferon alpha on 
her. But, Virbagen Omega is not available here, and it costs a lot of money to 
get it sent over, so we used what was available.

Bottom line: I’m encouraging you to see if you can get Virbagen Omega in the 
Netherlands. If you can, and if the price-to-dose isn’t prohibitive, it would 
seem (according to what the literature says) that you would be better off 
giving the tomcat the limited number of doses of Virbagen Omega as opposed to 
keeping him on interferon alpha from here on out. But you (and the new owner) 
must do what feels right and what makes sense. 

If your vet is uncertain about interferon alpha and unfamiliar with Virbagen 
Omega, I would call around to find someone who has more experience. At the 
least, you could consult with them and get a “second opinion”. 

Best regards,

Lance

On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Lance,
 
 thanks so much for your reply, very much appreciated. I checked on the 
 internet and found 10 ug at eur 152,00 at a webshop. Is that a price which 
 sounds reasonable to you as I have no clue at all. Talked to my vet this 
 afternoon and he was not that positive about using interferon. Wallie seems 
 to be doing right now he is eating a lot and is feelling much better than 
 when I let him in. The vet prescribed him antibiotics and a prednisone 
 treatment. If necessary will give him this interferom as well,
 
 Waiting for your feedback,
 
 Kind regards,
 Jetty Dijkshoorn
 
 
 
 2014-06-03 18:12 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:
 Hi Jetty,
 
 You might check here for interferon alpha: http://www.roadrunnerpharmacy.com
 
 Road Runner is an American pharmacy that specializes in medicine for animals. 
 I have ordered interferon alpha from them a number of times.
 
 I am surprised that interferon alpha, a human product, would be prohibitively 
 expensive in the Netherlands, as it seems to be widely used and produced. I’m 
 hoping that someone there can get it for you cheaper than it would cost to 
 have it shipped overseas. 
 
 I would seriously consider looking into Virbagen Omega, a feline recombinant 
 interferon. It will be expensive, though it should be somewhat cheaper than 
 it is for Americans (we need it flown overseas, overnight. VO is not given 
 all the time. Usually, the doses are given over several weeks’ time, then the 
 drug is discontinued. 
 
 Virbagen Omega is the only treatment that has been proven to positively 
 affect the course of the disease. All other drugs, including interferon 
 alpha, have not shown any efficacy in scientific trials. See the Retrovirus 
 Guidelines document available here:
 
 http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines
 
 Best wishes and hopes for you and your tomcat friend,
 
 Lance
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:45 AM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Good day to you,
 
  I am new to your forum. 2 weeks ago a sweet tomcat decided that he wanted 
 to join our group of 6 cats. Since umber 7 seemed a bit too much I found him 
 a new owner but before given her this lovely guy. I went for a check up at 
 the vet. He saw that he suffered from amnesia and tested him on feline 
 leukemia and unfortunately this test turned out positive. As he is doing 
 much better now than 2 weeks ago. He gained a  lot of weight and starts 
 playing again I want to try to keep him healthy as long as possible. Looking 
 for medicatons I landed on your very informational website. I think I want 
 to start by giving him interferon alpha but this is very expensive in my 
 country.
 
 I saw that a liquid interferoon should not be that expensive, but the island 
 pharmacy website is no longer in the air. Have you got another company and 
 website where I could buy this medication? If I go for treatment in the 
 Netherlands it will cost me 5 times as much.
 
 Thank you for your advise and keep up the good work.
 
 Jetty Dijkshoorn
 

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Marsha]

Hi Jetty,

Virbagen Omega is recombinant feline interferon, a much better choice 
than human interferon.  Somewhat expensive, I think.  A 5-pack of 10MU 
is approximately 430 Euros from Abbeyvet exporter in the UK.  Here is a 
link to the exporter.  Only a veterinarian can place the order, but you 
can make an account just to look at their catalogue.


https://www.abbeyvet-export.co.uk/

Note:  I have not yet tried Virbagen Omega or this exporter, but am 
planning on it after research I have done.  I am also looking at some 
other possibilities, but this seems to be the best choice, especially 
since Harley is showing signs of mild stomatitis, and I found an article 
written by a veterinary dentist that has used this product (see page 10):


http://www.dentistvet.com/docs/Gingivostomatitis-Veterinary-InfoApr2012.pdf

Marsha

On 6/3/2014 12:12 PM, Jetty Dijkshoorn wrote:


Hi Lance,

thanks so much for your reply, very much appreciated. I checked on the 
internet and found 10 ug at eur 152,00 at a webshop. Is that a price 
which sounds reasonable to you as I have no clue at all. Talked to my 
vet this afternoon and he was not that positive about using   
interferon. Wallie seems to be doing right now he is eating a lot and 
is feelling much better than when I let him in. The vet prescribed him 
antibiotics and a prednisone treatment. If necessary will give him 
this interferom as well,


Waiting for your feedback,

Kind regards,
Jetty Dijkshoorn



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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

Dear Lance,
Thanks again for all your help. I am considering to give him the Virbagen
Omega. He is only a very tiny guy so the costs would be ok. My vet is not
convinced about the effect of interferon and that in respect to the total
cost, he wanted to try the cheaper way first.  Wally is really doing ok now
but the vet told me that his red blood cel value was only 1/3 of the normal
value. But any way I see a lot of progression in his behaviour and his
looks since the day he came. I think I will wait for this cure to end and
then take a decision on the interferon. One of my nephews is a vet, think I
could try to get it through him. I am a bit scared to take my own decision
on this behind the back of my vet.



2014-06-03 20:56 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:

 You’re welcome. I only wish I could help more.

 30ml of interferon alpha costs me about $45 in the US. That includes
 shipping, I think.

 How is the tomcat’s anemia? Did the vet run new blood work to see if his
 feeling better correlates to a rise in red blood cell values?

 Interferon alpha could be expensive over the long run, just because you
 (or the new owner) would be buying it monthly. If I was in your situation
 (particularly being in Europe), and my cat had presented with anemia, I
 would look into Virbagen Omega instead. This drug is available in France,
 so it seems like it should be available throughout western and central
 Europe.

 Virbagen Omega is made for cats, and according to the literature we have,
 it makes a difference in survival time. Interferon alpha is a human drug,
 and the only evidence we have that it helps is anecdotal, not scientific.
 I’m not saying it doesn’t help. I just lost my FeLV+ girl, Ember, who had
 the virus for a minimum of eight years, and she did very well. I used
 interferon alpha on her. But, Virbagen Omega is not available here, and it
 costs a lot of money to get it sent over, so we used what was available.

 Bottom line: I’m encouraging you to see if you can get Virbagen Omega in
 the Netherlands. If you can, and if the price-to-dose isn’t prohibitive, it
 would seem (according to what the literature says) that you would be better
 off giving the tomcat the limited number of doses of Virbagen Omega as
 opposed to keeping him on interferon alpha from here on out. But you (and
 the new owner) must do what feels right and what makes sense.

 If your vet is uncertain about interferon alpha and unfamiliar with
 Virbagen Omega, I would call around to find someone who has more
 experience. At the least, you could consult with them and get a “second
 opinion”.

 Best regards,

 Lance

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Lance,

 thanks so much for your reply, very much appreciated. I checked on the
 internet and found 10 ug at eur 152,00 at a webshop. Is that a price which
 sounds reasonable to you as I have no clue at all. Talked to my vet this
 afternoon and he was not that positive about using interferon. Wallie seems
 to be doing right now he is eating a lot and is feelling much better than
 when I let him in. The vet prescribed him antibiotics and a prednisone
 treatment. If necessary will give him this interferom as well,

 Waiting for your feedback,

 Kind regards,
 Jetty Dijkshoorn



 2014-06-03 18:12 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:

 Hi Jetty,

 You might check here for interferon alpha:
 http://www.roadrunnerpharmacy.com

 Road Runner is an American pharmacy that specializes in medicine for
 animals. I have ordered interferon alpha from them a number of times.

 I am surprised that interferon alpha, a human product, would be
 prohibitively expensive in the Netherlands, as it seems to be widely used
 and produced. I’m hoping that someone there can get it for you cheaper than
 it would cost to have it shipped overseas.

 I would seriously consider looking into Virbagen Omega, a feline
 recombinant interferon. It will be expensive, though it should be somewhat
 cheaper than it is for Americans (we need it flown overseas, overnight. VO
 is not given all the time. Usually, the doses are given over several weeks’
 time, then the drug is discontinued.

 Virbagen Omega is the only treatment that has been proven to positively
 affect the course of the disease. All other drugs, including interferon
 alpha, have not shown any efficacy in scientific trials. See the Retrovirus
 Guidelines document available here:


 http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines

 Best wishes and hopes for you and your tomcat friend,

 Lance

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:45 AM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good day to you,

  I am new to your forum. 2 weeks ago a sweet tomcat decided that he
 wanted to join our group of 6 cats. Since umber 7 seemed a bit too much I
 found him a new owner but before given her this lovely guy. I went for a
 check up at the vet. He saw that he suffered from amnesia and tested him on
 feline 

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Lance]

Don’t worry. Your vet would have to order any of these drugs for you, so you 
won’t be the only one involved in the decision. 

Here in America, we still have vets who advocate euthanizing these cats. If I 
had euthanized my Ember when I discovered she was FeLV+, I would have missed 
out on over eight years of time with her, and she did really well for the 
majority of that time. 

I’m not a vet, and without knowing more, I couldn’t give much good advice, but 
having a red blood cell count that’s 1/3 of normal doesn’t seem like a good 
sign. Wally may end up needing a transfusion or Epogen (a red blood cell 
building drug). 

My advice:

1) Watch Wally like a hawk until you can get a better idea about his blood 
count over time.

2) Consider what options are available to you locally. Virbagen Omega is made 
in France by Virbac. It seems like it ought to be more reasonable (at least 
than it is here). I don’t think you would be importing it from the UK, and we 
know scientifically that it does *some* good.

3) Most importantly, talk to a vet who has knowledge of the disease and has 
treated it before. A cat clinic might be a good place to start. If your current 
vet knows about interferon alpha and is unsure about using it, that’s one 
thing. If your current vet is unfamiliar with interferon alpha or treating 
FeLV, that would encourage me to seek out someone with more experience and 
knowledge.

Best wishes for Wally.

Lance

On Jun 3, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Lance,
 Thanks again for all your help. I am considering to give him the Virbagen 
 Omega. He is only a very tiny guy so the costs would be ok. My vet is not 
 convinced about the effect of interferon and that in respect to the total 
 cost, he wanted to try the cheaper way first.  Wally is really doing ok now 
 but the vet told me that his red blood cel value was only 1/3 of the normal 
 value. But any way I see a lot of progression in his behaviour and his looks 
 since the day he came. I think I will wait for this cure to end and then take 
 a decision on the interferon. One of my nephews is a vet, think I could try 
 to get it through him. I am a bit scared to take my own decision on this 
 behind the back of my vet. 
 
 
 
 2014-06-03 20:56 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:
 You’re welcome. I only wish I could help more.
 
 30ml of interferon alpha costs me about $45 in the US. That includes 
 shipping, I think. 
 
 How is the tomcat’s anemia? Did the vet run new blood work to see if his 
 feeling better correlates to a rise in red blood cell values?
 
 Interferon alpha could be expensive over the long run, just because you (or 
 the new owner) would be buying it monthly. If I was in your situation 
 (particularly being in Europe), and my cat had presented with anemia, I would 
 look into Virbagen Omega instead. This drug is available in France, so it 
 seems like it should be available throughout western and central Europe. 
 
 Virbagen Omega is made for cats, and according to the literature we have, it 
 makes a difference in survival time. Interferon alpha is a human drug, and 
 the only evidence we have that it helps is anecdotal, not scientific. I’m not 
 saying it doesn’t help. I just lost my FeLV+ girl, Ember, who had the virus 
 for a minimum of eight years, and she did very well. I used interferon alpha 
 on her. But, Virbagen Omega is not available here, and it costs a lot of 
 money to get it sent over, so we used what was available.
 
 Bottom line: I’m encouraging you to see if you can get Virbagen Omega in the 
 Netherlands. If you can, and if the price-to-dose isn’t prohibitive, it would 
 seem (according to what the literature says) that you would be better off 
 giving the tomcat the limited number of doses of Virbagen Omega as opposed to 
 keeping him on interferon alpha from here on out. But you (and the new owner) 
 must do what feels right and what makes sense. 
 
 If your vet is uncertain about interferon alpha and unfamiliar with Virbagen 
 Omega, I would call around to find someone who has more experience. At the 
 least, you could consult with them and get a “second opinion”. 
 
 Best regards,
 
 Lance
 
 On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Lance,
 
 thanks so much for your reply, very much appreciated. I checked on the 
 internet and found 10 ug at eur 152,00 at a webshop. Is that a price which 
 sounds reasonable to you as I have no clue at all. Talked to my vet this 
 afternoon and he was not that positive about using interferon. Wallie seems 
 to be doing right now he is eating a lot and is feelling much better than 
 when I let him in. The vet prescribed him antibiotics and a prednisone 
 treatment. If necessary will give him this interferom as well,
 
 Waiting for your feedback,
 
 Kind regards,
 Jetty Dijkshoorn
 
 
 
 2014-06-03 18:12 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:
 Hi Jetty,
 
 You might check here for interferon alpha: 

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[dlgegg]

That is the way it was with Nitnoy.  We never really had the time to decide on 
treatment before she was gone.  I keep thinking there is something I missed and 
should have seen.


 molvey...@hotmail.com  wrote:  Lisa, You were lucky because 9 1/2 
years is a long time for a FeLV cat, especially if he had it as a kitten. Most 
cats that had FeLV as a kitten don't live past 3 years. Many live less than a 
year. If you were giving him interferon then maybe that was it. I have heard of 
some that lived about that long but not too often if they got it as a kitten 
from their mom. One vet told me about one that lived until it was 18. I kind of 
wonder if the vet was smoking dope cause that's really odd. I had one that died 
at 2 years old that had a mediastinal tumor. Like Prancer she was fine then one 
day her breathing became labored. Before the vet and I could even discuss what 
to do she died. At the time I did not know she had FeLV because she tested 
negative as a kitten. They didn't see the tumor on X-ray because of all the 
fluid so we did a necropsy to see where the fluid was coming from. Sure enough 
the vet found this large tumor and it had actually punctured her heart and the 
fluid in her chest was all blood. Then the vet got curious and did a combo test 
and found the FeLV. My guess is that most likely the tumor would have 
eventually ruptured Prancer's heart too so you probably did the best thing for 
Prancer. I didn't know they could treat those kinds of tumors. In my cat's case 
it was too late when we found it but I'm glad to know that in case something 
comes up in the future. Maureen Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - 
Reply message - From: Terri Brown  To:  Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon 
Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 3:23 pm I used interferon with Salome'. I started her 
on it when she was about 3 years old, and I gave it to her as often as I could 
get a hold of it. Salome' lived to be 9 1/2 years old, and she died from liver 
failure. Hope that helps! T =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie 
the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lisa Conner To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:48 PM Subject: 
[Felvtalk] Interferon Hi All, I think everyone was so hung up with this 
politcal debate, no one saw my 2 questions on Interferon and the length of 
years a Felv + cat has lived. Ok- so, I joined when my 9 + year old boy, 
Prancer became very sick..literally overnight. He breathing was extremely 
labored and I rushed him to the Emergency Vet. They said he was critical , and 
didn’t think he was going to make it. May be best to put him to sleep since he 
was Felv+ and needed oxygen and and his gums were pale. That night they 
extracted 3 ½ cups of fluid from his lungs. Thank goodness, because that saved 
his life. In the morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet 
thought it was his heart. He was right. The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor 
at the base of his heart. The vet wasn’t sure how much time Prancer had, 
however, he said it might be a day or week, depending on how much fluid built 
up in his lung area. Within 4 days, the fluid was back and I could not have him 
suffer as I lost my Dad to the the suffering of congestive heart failure (with 
build up of fluid in the lungs). So, my vet believes that Interferon might have 
helped Prancer over the years, since in all his years in practice, they have 
not seen a cat like Prancer, great health for 9 ½ years, but be Felv +. Has 
anyone in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the typical 
avg span life for Felv+ cats? 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Maureen Olvey]

Yeah, I wondered if there had been any signs earlier but I just didn't notice 
them.  It was like one night she started breathing a little funny and the next 
day it became worse so I took her to the vet and of course the stress of the 
trip made things a lot worse so as soon as we got there the vets rushed her to 
the back to see what was going on.  By the time they did the x-ray and got back 
to me she was getting weak.  I went to the back where she was at to see her and 
talk with the vet and she died while we were talking.  I had no prep time at 
all and it was awful.  Here one day and gone the next.  Her name was Two Face.  
She was a torti with some white on her and half her face was orange and the 
other half black.  What a sweetheart.  Wish I could have had her for a lot 
longer.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:06:48 -0500
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
 CC: molvey...@hotmail.com
 
 That is the way it was with Nitnoy.  We never really had the time to decide 
 on treatment before she was gone.  I keep thinking there is something I 
 missed and should have seen.
 
 
  molvey...@hotmail.com  wrote:  Lisa, You were lucky because 9 1/2 
 years is a long time for a FeLV cat, especially if he had it as a kitten. 
 Most cats that had FeLV as a kitten don't live past 3 years. Many live less 
 than a year. If you were giving him interferon then maybe that was it. I have 
 heard of some that lived about that long but not too often if they got it as 
 a kitten from their mom. One vet told me about one that lived until it was 
 18. I kind of wonder if the vet was smoking dope cause that's really odd. I 
 had one that died at 2 years old that had a mediastinal tumor. Like Prancer 
 she was fine then one day her breathing became labored. Before the vet and I 
 could even discuss what to do she died. At the time I did not know she had 
 FeLV because she tested negative as a kitten. They didn't see the tumor on 
 X-ray because of all the fluid so we did a necropsy to see where the fluid 
 was coming from. Sure enough the vet found this large tumor and it had 
 actually punctured her heart and the fluid in her chest was all blood. Then 
 the vet got curious and did a combo test and found the FeLV. My guess is that 
 most likely the tumor would have eventually ruptured Prancer's heart too so 
 you probably did the best thing for Prancer. I didn't know they could treat 
 those kinds of tumors. In my cat's case it was too late when we found it but 
 I'm glad to know that in case something comes up in the future. Maureen Sent 
 from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Terri Brown 
  To:  Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 3:23 pm I used 
 interferon with Salome'. I started her on it when she was about 3 years old, 
 and I gave it to her as often as I could get a hold of it. Salome' lived to 
 be 9 1/2 years old, and she died from liver failure. Hope that helps! T 
 =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
 Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
 =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lisa Conner To: 
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:48 PM Subject: 
 [Felvtalk] Interferon Hi All, I think everyone was so hung up with this 
 politcal debate, no one saw my 2 questions on Interferon and the length of 
 years a Felv + cat has lived. Ok- so, I joined when my 9 + year old boy, 
 Prancer became very sick..literally overnight. He breathing was extremely 
 labored and I rushed him to the Emergency Vet. They said he was critical , 
 and didn’t think he was going to make it. May be best to put him to sleep 
 since he was Felv+ and needed oxygen and and his gums were pale. That night 
 they extracted 3 ½ cups of fluid from his lungs. Thank goodness, because that 
 saved his life. In the morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our 
 vet thought it was his heart. He was right. The ultrasound showed a huge mass 
 tumor at the base of his heart. The vet wasn’t sure how much time Prancer 
 had, however, he said it might be a day or week, depending on how much fluid 
 built up in his lung area. Within 4 days, the fluid was back and I could not 
 have him suffer as I lost my Dad to the the suffering of congestive heart 
 failure (with build up of fluid in the lungs). So, my vet believes that 
 Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, since in all his years 
 in practice, they have not seen a cat like Prancer, great health for 9 ½ 
 years, but be Felv +. Has anyone in this group used Interferon with their 
 cats

Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[molveywda]

Lisa,

You were lucky because 9 1/2 years is a long time for a FeLV cat, especially if 
he had it as a kitten.  Most cats that had FeLV as a kitten don't live past 3 
years.  Many live less than a year.  If you were giving him interferon then 
maybe that was it.  I have heard of some that lived about that long but not too 
often if they got it as a kitten from their mom.  One vet told me about one 
that lived until it was 18.  I kind of wonder if the vet was smoking dope cause 
that's really odd.

I had one that died at 2 years old that had a mediastinal tumor.  Like Prancer 
she was fine then one day her breathing became labored.  Before the vet and I 
could even discuss what to do she died.  At the time I did not know she had 
FeLV because she tested negative as a kitten.  They didn't see the tumor on 
X-ray because of all the fluid so we did a necropsy to see where the fluid was 
coming from.  Sure enough the vet found this large tumor and it had actually 
punctured her heart and the fluid in her chest was all blood.  Then the vet got 
curious and did a combo test and found the FeLV.  My guess is that most likely 
the tumor would have eventually ruptured Prancer's heart too so you probably 
did the best thing for Prancer.

I didn't know they could treat those kinds of tumors.  In my cat's case it was 
too late when we found it but I'm glad to know that in case something comes up 
in the future.

Maureen


Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT

- Reply message -
From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon
Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 3:23 pm
I used interferon with Salome'.  I started her on it when she was 
about 3 years old, and I gave it to her as often as I could get a hold of 
it.

Salome' lived to be 9 1/2 years old, and she died from liver failure.

Hope that helps!

T

=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^=

- Original Message - 
From: Lisa Conner 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:48 
PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon




Hi 
All,

I think 
everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2 
questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has 
lived.

Ok-  so,  I joined 
when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very sick..literally overnight.  
He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed him to the Emergency 
Vet.  They said he was critical ,  and didn’t think he was going to 
make it.  May be best to put him to sleep since he was Felv+ and needed 
oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night they extracted 3 ½ cups of 
fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that saved his life.  
In the morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it 
was his heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass 
tumor at the base of his heart.   The vet wasn’t sure how much time 
Prancer had, however, he said it might be a day or week,  depending on 
how much fluid built up in his lung area.  Within 4 days, the fluid was 
back and I could not have him suffer as I lost my Dad to the the suffering of 
congestive heart failure (with build up of fluid in the lungs).  


So, my vet 
believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, since in 
all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like Prancer, great 
health  for 9 ½ years, but be Felv +.  

Has anyone 
in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the typical avg span 
life for Felv+ cats?  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Maryam Ulomi]

Thank you for trying to bring everyone back on topic. I'm very new to this 
forum but would love to hear from anyone who can talk more about interferon.

Maryam

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On Oct 12, 2012, at 13:48, Lisa Conner lisa.con...@syniverse.com wrote:

  
  
 Hi All,
  
 I think everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2 
 questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has lived.
  
  Ok-  so,  I joined when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very 
 sick..literally overnight.  He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed 
 him to the Emergency Vet.  They said he was critical ,  and didn’t think he 
 was going to make it.  May be best to put him to sleep since he was Felv+ and 
 needed oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night they extracted 3 ½ cups 
 of fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that saved his life.  In 
 the morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it was 
 his heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor at the 
 base of his heart.   The vet wasn’t sure how much time Prancer had, however, 
 he said it might be a day or week,   depending on how much fluid built up in 
 his lung area.  Within 4 days, the fluid was back and I could not have him 
 suffer as I lost my Dad to the the suffering of congestive heart failure 
 (with build up of fluid in the lungs). 
  
 So, my vet believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, 
 since in all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like Prancer, 
 great health  for 9 ½ years, but be Felv +. 
  
 Has anyone in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the 
 typical avg span life for Felv+ cats? 
  
 Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[HIDEYO YAMAMOTO]

Hi Just as FYI - what your kitty, Prancer had was mediastinal lymphoma - and it 
is actually one of the most tretable cancers of all - it's common among Felk 
positive kitties - steroid of will almost immediately get rid of fluid in chest 
cavity - and kitties with mediastinal lymphoma has a very good chance of 
recovery with chemo therapy even with Felk kitties - if you join lymphoma 
support group, they can tell you all about sucess stories. There is feline 
omega itnerferon which you can import AbbyVet in England which is probably the 
best choice as alpha (human) interferon, cats will eventually develop antibody 
to the interferon -Have you considered using LTCI? Hideyo
 CC: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
From: ava...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:55:47 -0400
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Thank you for trying to bring everyone back on topic. I'm very new to this 
forum but would love to hear from anyone who can talk more about interferon.
Maryam
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On Oct 12, 2012, at 13:48, Lisa Conner lisa.con...@syniverse.com wrote:









 
 
Hi All,
 
I think everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2 
questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has lived.
 
 Ok-  so,  I joined when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very 
sick..literally overnight.  He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed him 
to the Emergency Vet.  They said he was critical
 ,  and didn’t think he was going to make it.  May be best to put him to sleep 
since he was Felv+ and needed oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night 
they extracted 3 ½ cups of fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that 
saved his life.  In the
 morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it was his 
heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor at the base of 
his heart.   The vet wasn’t sure how much time Prancer had, however, he said it 
might be a day or week, 
 depending on how much fluid built up in his lung area.  Within 4 days, the 
fluid was back and I could not have him suffer as I lost my Dad to the the 
suffering of congestive heart failure (with build up of fluid in the lungs). 

 
So, my vet believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, 
since in all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like Prancer, 
great health  for 9 ½ years, but be
 Felv +.  
 
Has anyone in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the 
typical avg span life for Felv+ cats? 

 
Thanks!



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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Terri Brown]

I used interferon with Salome'.  I started her on it when she was about 3 years 
old, and I gave it to her as often as I could get a hold of it.

Salome' lived to be 9 1/2 years old, and she died from liver failure.

Hope that helps!

T

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Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:48 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


   

   

  Hi All,

   

  I think everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2 
questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has lived.

   

   Ok-  so,  I joined when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very 
sick..literally overnight.  He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed him 
to the Emergency Vet.  They said he was critical ,  and didn't think he was 
going to make it.  May be best to put him to sleep since he was Felv+ and 
needed oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night they extracted 3 ½ cups 
of fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that saved his life.  In the 
morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it was his 
heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor at the base of 
his heart.   The vet wasn't sure how much time Prancer had, however, he said it 
might be a day or week,  depending on how much fluid built up in his lung area. 
 Within 4 days, the fluid was back and I could not have him suffer as I lost my 
Dad to the the suffering of congestive heart failure (with build up of fluid in 
the lungs).  

   

  So, my vet believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, 
since in all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like Prancer, 
great health  for 9 ½ years, but be Felv +.  

   

  Has anyone in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the 
typical avg span life for Felv+ cats?  

   

  Thanks!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Christy Buchin]

My cat Gray Kitty was diagnosed with FeLV and severe anemia. Thank you for a 
specialist we found, our family vet, Interferon, LTCI, steroids, two blood 
transfusions, splenectomy, etc., he tests negative  is almost off steroids. UC 
Davis now has asked to use him in their study  the specialist is using his 
study for veterinarian studies. His story is a very long one. I just supplied 
the short version.

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On Oct 12, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Lisa Conner lisa.con...@syniverse.com wrote:

  
  
 Hi All,
  
 I think everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2 
 questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has lived.
  
  Ok-  so,  I joined when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very 
 sick..literally overnight.  He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed 
 him to the Emergency Vet.  They said he was critical ,  and didn’t think he 
 was going to make it.  May be best to put him to sleep since he was Felv+ and 
 needed oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night they extracted 3 ½ cups 
 of fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that saved his life.  In 
 the morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it was 
 his heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor at the 
 base of his heart.   The vet wasn’t sure how much time Prancer had, however, 
 he said it might be a day or week,   depending on how much fluid built up in 
 his lung area.  Within 4 days, the fluid was back and I could not have him 
 suffer as I lost my Dad to the the suffering of congestive heart failure 
 (with build up of fluid in the lungs). 
  
 So, my vet believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, 
 since in all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like Prancer, 
 great health  for 9 ½ years, but be Felv +. 
  
 Has anyone in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the 
 typical avg span life for Felv+ cats? 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[dlgegg]

Saw it, but so far I have been lucky and had no experience with it.


 Lisa Conner lisa.con...@syniverse.com wrote: 
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I think everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2 
 questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has lived.
 
  Ok-  so,  I joined when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very 
 sick..literally overnight.  He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed 
 him to the Emergency Vet.  They said he was critical ,  and didn't think he 
 was going to make it.  May be best to put him to sleep since he was Felv+ and 
 needed oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night they extracted 3 ½ cups 
 of fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that saved his life.  In 
 the morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it was 
 his heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor at the 
 base of his heart.   The vet wasn't sure how much time Prancer had, however, 
 he said it might be a day or week,  depending on how much fluid built up in 
 his lung area.  Within 4 days, the fluid was back and I could not have him 
 suffer as I lost my Dad to the the suffering of congestive heart failure 
 (with build up of fluid in the lungs).
 
 So, my vet believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, 
 since in all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like Prancer, 
 great health  for 9 ½ years, but be Felv +.
 
 Has anyone in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the 
 typical avg span life for Felv+ cats?
 
 Thanks!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Christiane Biagi]

I’m not so sure how good the chances are.  My Romeo died because of this
type of lymphoma.  For him, (semi-feral), treatment would have been a
nightmare but oncologist was not that optimistic about his chances….

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 2:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

 

Hi Just as FYI - what your kitty, Prancer had was mediastinal lymphoma - and
it is actually one of the most tretable cancers of all - it's common among
Felk positive kitties - steroid of will almost immediately get rid of fluid
in chest cavity - and kitties with mediastinal lymphoma has a very good
chance of recovery with chemo therapy even with Felk kitties - if you join
lymphoma support group, they can tell you all about sucess stories.
 
There is feline omega itnerferon which you can import AbbyVet in England
which is probably the best choice as alpha (human) interferon, cats will
eventually develop antibody to the interferon -
Have you considered using LTCI?
 
Hideyo
 

  _  

CC: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
From: ava...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:55:47 -0400
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Thank you for trying to bring everyone back on topic. I'm very new to this
forum but would love to hear from anyone who can talk more about interferon.

 

Maryam

 

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On Oct 12, 2012, at 13:48, Lisa Conner lisa.con...@syniverse.com wrote:

 

 

Hi All,

 

I think everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2
questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has lived.

 

 Ok-  so,  I joined when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very
sick..literally overnight.  He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed
him to the Emergency Vet.  They said he was critical ,  and didn’t think he
was going to make it.  May be best to put him to sleep since he was Felv+
and needed oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night they extracted 3 ½
cups of fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that saved his life.
In the morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it
was his heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor at
the base of his heart.   The vet wasn’t sure how much time Prancer had,
however, he said it might be a day or week,  depending on how much fluid
built up in his lung area.  Within 4 days, the fluid was back and I could
not have him suffer as I lost my Dad to the the suffering of congestive
heart failure (with build up of fluid in the lungs).  

 

So, my vet believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the
years, since in all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like
Prancer, great health  for 9 ½ years, but be Felv +.  

 

Has anyone in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the
typical avg span life for Felv+ cats?  

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Beth]

Wow! That's wonderful!

 
Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
 

My cat Gray Kitty was diagnosed with FeLV and severe anemia. Thank you for a 
specialist we found, our family vet, Interferon, LTCI, steroids, two blood 
transfusions, splenectomy, etc., he tests negative  is almost off steroids. UC 
Davis now has asked to use him in their study  the specialist is using his 
study for veterinarian studies. His story is a very long one. I just supplied 
the short version.

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On Oct 12, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Lisa Conner lisa.con...@syniverse.com wrote:


 
 
 
Hi All,
 
I think everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2 
questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has lived.
 
 Ok-  so,  I joined when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very 
sick..literally overnight.  He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed 
him to the Emergency Vet.  They said he was critical ,  and didn’t think he 
was going to make it.  May be best to put him to sleep since he was Felv+ and 
needed oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night they extracted 3 ½ cups 
of fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that saved his life.  In the 
morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it was his 
heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor at the base of 
his heart.   The vet wasn’t sure how much time Prancer had, however, he said 
it might be a day or week,  depending on how much fluid built up in his lung 
area.  Within 4 days, the fluid was back and I could not have him suffer as I 
lost my Dad to the the suffering of congestive heart failure (with build up of 
fluid in the lungs).  
 
So, my vet believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, 
since in all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like Prancer, 
great health  for 9 ½ years, but be Felv +.  
 
Has anyone in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the 
typical avg span life for Felv+ cats?  
 
Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon strength and source

[KG BarnCats]

Hi,
I have rescued several cats that are FELV or FIV+.  My vet is willing to
prescribe interferon   but she never had anyone use it before and she
doesn't doesn't know what strength to prescribe?  Please let me know a good
place to order it from, too.  I need the largest size bottle, I guess,
since I have multiple pos kitties.

Is the interferon ready to use or do I have to dilute it?  If so where can
I fond out how to do that?

What is the recommended dose?  Is it weight dependent?

I already feed home made raw supplemented with platinum performance.

Thanks!!
Laurie


 - Original Message -

 From: Vicky Eyal

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:09 PM

 Subject: [Felvtalk] When to start treatment?



 I was just wondering when the best time to start treatment for FeLV is?
While the cat is still healthy or best to wait until he/she is visibly
sick? Also, which of the treatments mentioned on the site would you
recommend? I am leaning towards Interferon, just because there seems to be
more anecdotal evidence around for that - thoughts? Are your cats on
multi-vitimins or anything to boost/support the immune system?



 Thanks so much,

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[Beth]

My vet got it frozen. Amazing your vet isn't researching this for you. Makes me 
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[dlgegg]

They are stuck in a rut.  My vet tries to keep up , and when I bring something 
to his attenton, he follows up on it.


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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha injected?

[gary]

Hi Gloria,

I would be very interested in knowing what dosage that vet uses for an 
injection.  Interferon comes in little vial with the lowest dose in a vial 
being one million units and is usually 3 million units.  These vials are 
meant to be one injection for a human, but the oral dose for cats is only 30 
units, I can't imagine how you would draw up an appropriate dose for a cat 
without doing the same dilutions that are done for oral treatments.


Gary

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From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha injected?

One of the vets here told someone with an FELV cat, that she could use 
interferon alpha as an injection.  He didn't mention low dose ORAL 
interferon alpha.


It's been my understanding that the interferon was absorbed in the  back 
of the throat.


Has anyone used interferon alpha as an injection rather than orally?

Thanks,

Gloria




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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon - darn Andy!!

[Alice Flowers]

Poor Andy!! He can be a little tongue in cheek at times, but believe me-he has 
been there with the most compassion and kind words when we were struggling to 
keep our sweet babies alive. He loves his kitties as much, if not more than 
most 
I know-which probably helped him to be the best people dad ever! We are all on 
the same journey-some people get really lucky and their cats remain healthy for 
ages-I lost Rosie's 4 brothers before they reached a year old-they were on 
Interferon 2x a day, no lapses. Murphy, who we just lost the end of October 
after a heroic struggle with anemia, a rebound with Epogen, then diagnosed with 
Lymphoma, another anemia setback which did not respond to increasing the 
Epogen. 
We had Rosie and Murphy on LTCI (over a year) and Interferon. He was 2 1/2 and 
had been found in the same feral colony our litter of positive kittens came 
from, a friendly throw away. Andy was there in our corner, always kind and 
caring, offering support. This is the same fella that threw the name Pirate 
into the name hat (on my facebook page) when I got the one eyed kitten! LOL If 
the kitten would of had a black and white spotted face, maybe..but the name 
Miso won out-my 1/2 Asian heritage and his miso coloring. Anyway-SacTown boy is 
a good-un and I'll vouch for him.  Alice Flowers-Clark
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[brenda_osbourne]

Thanks. I can do without the sarcasm. I'm just trying to figure out what's best 
for my girl. Eden has a very sensitive system and if there are side effects of 
any drug then no doubt she's going to have them. And no I don't consider still 
being alive as being a side effect and again, I can do without the sarcasm 
when I'm trying to make some very difficult decisions during a very stressful 
time. I work in the medical field so I'm well aware of what drugs can do to a 
body and I'm also aware of the great benefit they can offer. I like to know as 
much as I can before making any decisions when dealing with what has the 
potential to be a very toxic drug. 

I thank everyone else who has shared their stories and experiences.
 
Brenda
 
 From: oxjake...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:05:00 +
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon
 
 
 Aggie has had interferon every day of her life since I've had her (for 6 and 
 a half years) and has had no noticeable side effects. But--she is still alive 
 and happy, so I suppose you could consider that a side-effect. Might also be 
 chalked up to good luck, but I'm sure the Interferon hasn't hurt her. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Andy Domek]

Hi Brenda,
 
I had zero intention of being sarcastic!  I know you are just researching what 
is best for your baby, and I know how scary this is.  I meant no disrespect to 
you, or anyone else.  In thinking back over Aggie's life, I was honestly trying 
to think of anything that might be considered a side effect, and couldn't 
think of anything, so I wrote the only thing that came to mind as a joke.  
That's the problem with the written word--it is impossible to see tone on the 
page that if spoken in a conversation wouldn't even be an issue.
 
I am truly sorry for offending you during what is obviously a very difficult 
time.
 
Andy  


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Gloria B. Lane]

A friend of mine has an FELV cat (along with another non FELV cat;  
they're buddies).  She's had the FELV kitty on interferon alpha for  
several years - kitty has done extremely well.


Gloria



On Dec 10, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Andy Domek wrote:



Aggie has had interferon every day of her life since I've had her  
(for 6 and a half years) and has had no noticeable side effects.   
But--she is still alive and happy, so I suppose you could consider  
that a side-effect.   Might also be chalked up to good luck, but  
I'm sure the Interferon hasn't hurt her.   		 	   		

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Hotmail Junk]

We paid for it at my Vets office and as we needed it, he made a batch  
for us and we kept it in the fridge. It wad fine.


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On Jun 27, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com  
wrote:



Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a  
90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I  
know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and then  
freeze and I know it doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I need to do  
that but my vet told me to call the compounding pharmacy that  
diluted it and sent it and just make sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by  
mouth once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML  
daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address  
in Conway AZ.  I didn't get much instruction with the bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any  
economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100  
and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Sharyl]

Stacy, here is a link to info on the gel caps
http://members.verizon.net/~vze2r6qt/supplies/gelcaps.htm
Sorry, can't help with your other questions
Sharyl

--- On Sun, 6/27/10, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 2:13 PM
 Hi:
 
 I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me
 it was a 90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on
 the bottle. I know many posts have said that you draw it up
 into syringes and then freeze and I know it doesn't last
 long.  I'm guessing I need to do that but my vet told me to
 call the compounding pharmacy that diluted it and sent it
 and just make sure. 
 
 The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5
 ML by mouth once daily.  I thought I had read most people
 are giving 1 ML daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US
 Compounding with an address in Conway AZ.  I didn't get
 much instruction with the bottle! 
 
 So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of
 any economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a
 box off 100 and the syringe caps? I am also looking for
 empty small gelcaps. 
 
 Thanks!
 Stacy and Spanky
 
 
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[gary]

According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of interferon, but 
no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze the final dilution of 
interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they always said it was good for 90 
days that way.  The dosage for cats is 30 IU a day.  The compound you have 
is made to have 1 ml equal 60 IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 
IU, you would use only .5 ml.  Whether you use a protocol with a daily 
dosage, or the 7 on 7 off protocol is a choice you have to make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need a 
needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would Google for a 
1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the syringes listed as oral syringes 
will not accept a needle, so they are not dual purpose.


Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a 90 day 
supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I know many posts 
have said that you draw it up into syringes and then freeze and I know it 
doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I need to do that but my vet told me to 
call the compounding pharmacy that diluted it and sent it and just make 
sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by mouth 
once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML daily or 7 
on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address in Conway AZ.  I 
didn't get much instruction with the bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any economic 
sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100 and the syringe 
caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Gloria Lane]

So Island doesn't sell it anymore?

There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho.

Gloria

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On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of  
interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze  
the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they  
always said it was good for 90 days that way.  The dosage for cats  
is 30 IU a day.  The compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60  
IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only . 
5 ml.  Whether you use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7  
off protocol is a choice you have to make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need  
a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would  
Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the syringes  
listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not  
dual purpose.


Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a  
90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I  
know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and  
then freeze and I know it doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I need  
to do that but my vet told me to call the compounding pharmacy that  
diluted it and sent it and just make sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by  
mouth once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML  
daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address  
in Conway AZ.  I didn't get much instruction with the bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any  
economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100  
and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[gary]

Island Pharmacy was bought out by Franck's Pharmacy some time ago and I 
heard then that Franck's would be doing the interferon, they are in Ocala, 
FL.  You could call Island and ask them, maybe it was just temporary.

Franck's website is www.francks.com.

Gary

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So Island doesn't sell it anymore?

There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho.

Gloria

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On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of  interferon, 
but no longer do it - it was not recommended to freeze  the final 
dilution of interferon, just keep it in the fridge, they  always said it 
was good for 90 days that way.  The dosage for cats  is 30 IU a day.  The 
compound you have is made to have 1 ml equal 60  IU, so to get the 
correct daily dosage of 30 IU, you would use only . 5 ml.  Whether you 
use a protocol with a daily dosage, or the 7 on 7  off protocol is a 
choice you have to make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not need  a 
needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I would  Google 
for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the syringes  listed as oral 
syringes will not accept a needle, so they are not  dual purpose.


Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was a  90 
day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle. I  know many 
posts have said that you draw it up into syringes and  then freeze and I 
know it doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I need  to do that but my vet 
told me to call the compounding pharmacy that  diluted it and sent it 
and just make sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by  mouth 
once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1 ML  daily or 
7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an address  in Conway AZ. 
I didn't get much instruction with the bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any  economic 
sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off 100  and the 
syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Gloria B. Lane]

Thanks, Gary!  I looked at the Franck web site, not a great web site I  
might add, very disappointing.  No link for veterinary products, none  
for interferon that I could find.  I went to IslandPharmacy.com, and  
no interferon.  Too bad they aren't available any longer.


For those interested, Tally was on this group a few years ago and  
still has some information on interferon  and FELV on her web site.   
You can check it out at http://www.tallyville.com/stomatitis.html


Gloria




On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:45 PM, gary wrote:

Island Pharmacy was bought out by Franck's Pharmacy some time ago  
and I heard then that Franck's would be doing the interferon, they  
are in Ocala, FL.  You could call Island and ask them, maybe it was  
just temporary.

Franck's website is www.francks.com.

Gary

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From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon



So Island doesn't sell it anymore?

There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho.

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of   
interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to  
freeze  the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the  
fridge, they  always said it was good for 90 days that way.  The  
dosage for cats  is 30 IU a day.  The compound you have is made to  
have 1 ml equal 60  IU, so to get the correct daily dosage of 30  
IU, you would use only . 5 ml.  Whether you use a protocol with a  
daily dosage, or the 7 on 7  off protocol is a choice you have to  
make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not  
need  a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I  
would  Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the  
syringes  listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so  
they are not  dual purpose.


Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was  
a  90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle.  
I  know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes  
and  then freeze and I know it doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I  
need  to do that but my vet told me to call the compounding  
pharmacy that  diluted it and sent it and just make sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by   
mouth once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1  
ML  daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an  
address  in Conway AZ. I didn't get much instruction with the  
bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any   
economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off  
100  and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small  
gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[gary]

Of course, you could always make your own and have a lifetime supply for 
under $100.


I would disagree with one statement made on Tally's site, she says you can 
mix the interferon with food.  I had always heard that the interferon is 
absorbed through the mucous membranes and once it got to the stomach it was 
useless.  Island said not to freeze the final dilution and it appears Tally 
did that with no problem.  It may be that Island Pharmacy just didn't want 
you to be able to keep it more than 90 days.  If you were using the 7 on, 7 
off protocol, a 90 day supply would last 180 days if you froze the extra.


I thought the info in the lasaer treatments was very interesting.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Thanks, Gary!  I looked at the Franck web site, not a great web site I 
might add, very disappointing.  No link for veterinary products, none  for 
interferon that I could find.  I went to IslandPharmacy.com, and  no 
interferon.  Too bad they aren't available any longer.


For those interested, Tally was on this group a few years ago and  still 
has some information on interferon  and FELV on her web site.   You can 
check it out at http://www.tallyville.com/stomatitis.html


Gloria




On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:45 PM, gary wrote:

Island Pharmacy was bought out by Franck's Pharmacy some time ago  and I 
heard then that Franck's would be doing the interferon, they  are in 
Ocala, FL.  You could call Island and ask them, maybe it was  just 
temporary.

Franck's website is www.francks.com.

Gary

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From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon



So Island doesn't sell it anymore?

There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho.

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of 
interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to  freeze 
the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the  fridge, they 
always said it was good for 90 days that way.  The  dosage for cats  is 
30 IU a day.  The compound you have is made to  have 1 ml equal 60  IU, 
so to get the correct daily dosage of 30  IU, you would use only . 5 
ml.  Whether you use a protocol with a  daily dosage, or the 7 on 7 
off protocol is a choice you have to  make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not  need 
a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe, I  would 
Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the  syringes  listed 
as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so  they are not  dual 
purpose.


Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it was  a 
90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the bottle.  I 
know many posts have said that you draw it up into syringes  and  then 
freeze and I know it doesn't last long.  I'm guessing I  need  to do 
that but my vet told me to call the compounding  pharmacy that 
diluted it and sent it and just make sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML by 
mouth once daily.  I thought I had read most people are giving 1  ML 
daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding with an  address 
in Conway AZ. I didn't get much instruction with the  bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any 
economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off  100 
and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small  gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Gloria B. Lane]

Yeah, it's my understanding that it needs to get to the tissue in the  
back of the throat for absorption there...


Will have to look at the laser treatments, haven't read that.

Gloria


On Jun 27, 2010, at 9:50 PM, gary wrote:

Of course, you could always make your own and have a lifetime supply  
for under $100.


I would disagree with one statement made on Tally's site, she says  
you can mix the interferon with food.  I had always heard that the  
interferon is absorbed through the mucous membranes and once it got  
to the stomach it was useless.  Island said not to freeze the final  
dilution and it appears Tally did that with no problem.  It may be  
that Island Pharmacy just didn't want you to be able to keep it more  
than 90 days.  If you were using the 7 on, 7 off protocol, a 90 day  
supply would last 180 days if you froze the extra.


I thought the info in the lasaer treatments was very interesting.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

Thanks, Gary!  I looked at the Franck web site, not a great web  
site I might add, very disappointing.  No link for veterinary  
products, none  for interferon that I could find.  I went to  
IslandPharmacy.com, and  no interferon.  Too bad they aren't  
available any longer.


For those interested, Tally was on this group a few years ago and   
still has some information on interferon  and FELV on her web  
site.   You can check it out at http://www.tallyville.com/stomatitis.html


Gloria




On Jun 27, 2010, at 6:45 PM, gary wrote:

Island Pharmacy was bought out by Franck's Pharmacy some time ago   
and I heard then that Franck's would be doing the interferon,  
they  are in Ocala, FL.  You could call Island and ask them, maybe  
it was  just temporary.

Franck's website is www.francks.com.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 5:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon



So Island doesn't sell it anymore?

There's also 3 on 3 off protocol. I used to do daily tho.

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2010, at 4:45 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

According to Island Pharmacy - they use to compound a lot of  
interferon, but no longer do it - it was not recommended to   
freeze the final dilution of interferon, just keep it in the   
fridge, they always said it was good for 90 days that way.  The   
dosage for cats  is 30 IU a day.  The compound you have is made  
to  have 1 ml equal 60  IU, so to get the correct daily dosage  
of 30  IU, you would use only . 5 ml.  Whether you use a  
protocol with a  daily dosage, or the 7 on 7 off protocol is a  
choice you have to  make.


I don't know how your interferon is packaged, but if you do not   
need a needle to withdraw it and can use just an oral syringe,  
I  would Google for a 1 ml oral syringe with cap.  Most of the   
syringes  listed as oral syringes will not accept a needle, so   
they are not  dual purpose.


Gary

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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


Hi:

I received a bottle of interferon from my vet. He told me it  
was  a 90 day supply but it says discard after 30 days on the  
bottle.  I know many posts have said that you draw it up into  
syringes  and  then freeze and I know it doesn't last long.   
I'm guessing I  need  to do that but my vet told me to call the  
compounding  pharmacy that diluted it and sent it and just make  
sure.


The bottle says Interferon Alpha 2B 60 IU/ML 45 ML give .5 ML  
by mouth once daily.  I thought I had read most people are  
giving 1  ML daily or 7 on 7 off? This came from US Compounding  
with an  address in Conway AZ. I didn't get much instruction  
with the  bottle!


So I am wondering about freezing and then do you know of any  
economic sites where I can buy the 1 ML syringes in a box off   
100 and the syringe caps? I am also looking for empty small   
gelcaps.


Thanks!
Stacy and Spanky


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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon storage/dilution

[Hotmail Junk]

Stacy,
Our vet stored it in his refrigerator  mixed a bottle for us as we  
needed  I kept it in our refrigerator. We used both interferon and  
LTCI at the same time. We did not follow the standard protocol. So far  
he is testing negative for FeLV now. Because we have tried many  
different things, nobody can tell us why he now test negative.

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Hi:

My vet looked into getting interferon omega from Europe for Spanky.  
It turns out that it would be about $1000-$2000 and would take 6-8  
weeks AND that doesn't even mean it would be shipped so that we can  
be sure it remains stable (it cannot be warm at all).  Thus, we are  
going to go with interferon alpha as it is available here and a lot  
of you use it with good results. If that doesn't seem to do much for  
him, we'll add the Imulan LTCI injections with the interferon.


I'm curious how those of you use interferon dilute and store it in  
the fridge and freezer? I know I've seen people advise how they do  
this on this list but I couldn't figure out a way to search the  
archives without going through every single message for each month.
I found mini ice cube trays on the internet and wonder if there is  
something better (syringes frozen?)


Also, how long do you wait between blood panels to see if it has  
helped kitty? one month? two months?


Thanks so much for your help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon storage/dilution

[gary]

It might cost $800 or $1000 to get an order of feline interferon omega from 
Europe (the UK actually, I think) but it no longer takes 6 to 8 weeks, threy 
have streamlined the process for Feline Interferon Omega.  However, there is 
at least one supplier that will send from the UK without FDA approval as 
long as your vet will prescribe it and receive it.  I'll send you the info 
if you want.  Also, once you reconstitute the FIO, you have to use it within 
21 days, but you can freeze anything more than 21 days worth indefinitely. 
Once thawede, you have 21 days to use it.  FIO is an injection drug and is 
not diluted.


Interferon Alpha (human interferon) is diluted and given orally.  I would 
use syringes to hold the fluid to be frozen as you want to be able to inject 
that concentration into saline for further dilution.  Also, you want to keep 
it in a container where it won't get contaminated.  I have already sent you 
instructions on how to dilute and store interferon alpha and where to buy it 
very inexpensively.  If you didn't get that info, I will send it to you 
again.


Gary

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Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 4:08 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon storage/dilution


Hi:

My vet looked into getting interferon omega from Europe for Spanky. It 
turns out that it would be about $1000-$2000 and would take 6-8 weeks AND 
that doesn't even mean it would be shipped so that we can be sure it 
remains stable (it cannot be warm at all).  Thus, we are going to go with 
interferon alpha as it is available here and a lot of you use it with good 
results. If that doesn't seem to do much for him, we'll add the Imulan 
LTCI injections with the interferon.


I'm curious how those of you use interferon dilute and store it in the 
fridge and freezer? I know I've seen people advise how they do this on 
this list but I couldn't figure out a way to search the archives without 
going through every single message for each month.
I found mini ice cube trays on the internet and wonder if there is 
something better (syringes frozen?)


Also, how long do you wait between blood panels to see if it has helped 
kitty? one month? two months?


Thanks so much for your help.
Stacy and Spanky




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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions

[Hotmail Junk]

I had my cat on Interferon, LTCI, and Pred. He was given the death  
sentence by a University Vet, sent home to die. That was over a year  
ago. He is now FeLV negative, which we were told it was in his bone  
marrow. We are working on research and trials of different meds for  
anemia. The high dosage of pred is not a permenant solution. We have  
spent over $20,000 so far, but it has been worth every penny!! We have  
hope that through our research  the help of specialists, we can help  
other cats with this dreaded disease!


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Hi Crystal,

I just started my cat on Interferon a few weeks ago. He is in the  
last stages of FeLV (it's in his bone marrow and he has non  
regenerative anemia), and I think I've seen some improvements in  
him. Nothing dramatic, but if it can help a cat that was given less  
than 3 weeks to live, it might very well help your kitten.


My vet ordered mine from Road Runner pharmacy in Arizona. I think it  
was around $37 for what I *think* was 30ml (I can check tonight when  
I get home). The $37 included shipping (it was overnighted and  
packed in ice) and the pharmacy even threw in some cat toys, which I  
thought was very sweet.


My program for Kong is 1ml per day for seven days, and then off  
seven days. So the bottle, while not exactly cheap, will last for a  
while.


Good luck,
Ashley

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[Gary]

Do you have a website or something detailing your research, testing 
data, etc.?  What trials for anemia are you involved with?  Is your cat 
on any medications now?
Was your cat on Interferon alpha or FOI?  If on alpha, was he at the 
usual 30 unit dosage?  How many LTCI shots did he have before turning 
negative?


Thanks,

Gary

Hotmail Junk wrote:
I had my cat on Interferon, LTCI, and Pred. He was given the death 
sentence by a University Vet, sent home to die. That was over a year 
ago. He is now FeLV negative, which we were told it was in his bone 
marrow. We are working on research and trials of different meds for 
anemia. The high dosage of pred is not a permenant solution. We have 
spent over $20,000 so far, but it has been worth every penny!! We have 
hope that through our research  the help of specialists, we can help 
other cats with this dreaded disease!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions

[Ashley Vanover]

I would be grateful for any more information you could provide as your  
cat's situation sounds so much like my little Kong's. Bless you for  
being willing to spend so much money on searching for treatment. It is  
people like you who are going to make a difference and help us all  
find new and successful treatments for our babies.


--Ashley

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions

[Hotmail Junk]

There has been no rhyme or reason as to why Gray Kitty has been  
through so much. He is such a fighter! We hope to use any succesful  
treatment we find, to share and educate. We work on the anemia right  
now and am going to try a new drug that has less side effects than the  
current high dosage of Pred he is on. Feel free to contact me  
anytime!  Keep me updated on how your baby is doing!


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ashley.vano...@gmail.com wrote:


I would be grateful for any more information you could provide as  
your cat's situation sounds so much like my little Kong's. Bless you  
for being willing to spend so much money on searching for treatment.  
It is people like you who are going to make a difference and help us  
all find new and successful treatments for our babies.


--Ashley

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions

[Hotmail Junk]

Gary,
At the moment all our data and graphing is on excel spreadsheets that  
we email weekly to the specialist I Michigan. Between he and our  
family vet, we adjust the pred dosage. We are currently reviewing some  
new meds with less side effects, for his anemia. He was on the  
interferon, one week on, one week off for many months, as well as  
weekly LTCI injections for many months. We did not follow the standard  
protocol. it has been about 3-4 months that he has been negative and  
is only on pred at the moment. We test him monthly for FeLV now.


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On Nov 29, 2009, at 9:30 AM, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

Do you have a website or something detailing your research, testing  
data, etc.?  What trials for anemia are you involved with?  Is your  
cat on any medications now?
Was your cat on Interferon alpha or FOI?  If on alpha, was he at the  
usual 30 unit dosage?  How many LTCI shots did he have before  
turning negative?


Thanks,

Gary

Hotmail Junk wrote:
I had my cat on Interferon, LTCI, and Pred. He was given the death  
sentence by a University Vet, sent home to die. That was over a  
year ago. He is now FeLV negative, which we were told it was in his  
bone marrow. We are working on research and trials of different  
meds for anemia. The high dosage of pred is not a permenant  
solution. We have spent over $20,000 so far, but it has been worth  
every penny!! We have hope that through our research  the help of  
specialists, we can help other cats with this dreaded disease!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions

[Ashley Vanover]

Hi Crystal,

I just started my cat on Interferon a few weeks ago. He is in the last  
stages of FeLV (it's in his bone marrow and he has non regenerative  
anemia), and I think I've seen some improvements in him. Nothing  
dramatic, but if it can help a cat that was given less than 3 weeks to  
live, it might very well help your kitten.


My vet ordered mine from Road Runner pharmacy in Arizona. I think it  
was around $37 for what I *think* was 30ml (I can check tonight when I  
get home). The $37 included shipping (it was overnighted and packed in  
ice) and the pharmacy even threw in some cat toys, which I thought was  
very sweet.


My program for Kong is 1ml per day for seven days, and then off seven  
days. So the bottle, while not exactly cheap, will last for a while.


Good luck,
Ashley

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon And Other Medicine Questions

[mitchell]

I know that interferon is not an approved treatment for FeLV cats.  There is
an approved treatment in the US, it is LTCI.  You can get more information
about it on the company's website www.imulan.com.  Hope this information is
helpful.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Crystal Proper
crystal_pro...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hi everyone.  My vet and I have been talking about putting my asymptomatic
 FeLV + kitten, Nibbler, on Interferon.  However, she said the only kind she
 can get information on is the newer formula and it costs about $50 per
 month.  Also, since its so new she doesn't know how well it works.  Does
 anyone know where to get it cheaper and/or a similar product that you
 recommend?

 Thank you-  Crystal




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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Thoughts??

[Alice Flowers]

Hooray for you and your vet! I think it's a good idea. We began losing our 
kittens at around 7 1/2 months old. We lost 4 littermates before they hit a 
year old-well, the last was exactly a year old. They were a feral litter and 
must have been born with the virus. We began Interferon when they were about 5 
months old-1cc orally once a day. After the 3rd one passed away, I read up on 
the anti viral qualities and it seems one dose only stays at an active level 
about 1/2 a day. We began giving it 2x a day and still lost another one. We 
have the last littermate, the only female-Rosie, a sleek tabby and another 
non-related male-Murphy, a cool, fluffy tuxedo polydactyl (7 toes) that was 
tossed into the feral group-these 2 are just over a year old. We began the 
Imulan last month-before the anemia hits hard-we want these 2 to live so badly. 
On the baseline CBCs, Rosies platelets were low-2 weeks later they were in the 
normal range! The other levels are coming
 up too-PCV are higher. They are still testing positive (4th test) They are 
getting so energetic and playful-I can't belive they are the same cats! Murphy 
loves to chase the laser pointer now-he can leap up the wall and above the 
light switches-he can hit the switch with his big paws and turn the lights off! 
Rosie is addicted to fetching her little sheepskin mousie. It's just exciting 
to have active cats, we never realized until now that they were rather 
sluggish-slept a lot. I don't know what tomorrow will bring, but every minute 
we have is a gift. We can't give up yet-and the Interferon is easy-they come 
over and wait to have their doses. The injections take just a few seconds-we 
are saving money by doing them at home. You can't begin soon enough to be 
proactive andtry and slow the virus down-when they are infected so young, they 
crash so quickly-our first, Buster, was playing hard one day and crashed the 
next with his HC at 10. Thank you for caring so
 much for your baby. You can learn a lot by scrolling through the earlier 
posts. We are all learning from each other. Alice
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon thoughts?

[mitchell]

look into LTCI from IMULAN.  There have been great sucesses with this
treatment.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Jeff Mills jeffkmi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have a little 4.5 mo. old black kitten rescued as a stray who tests FeLV+
 on a snap test. They won't do an IFA until he's been separated for three
 months (he lives in my bathroom currently), 9 mos. old would be better.

 My vet is recommending we put the kitten on Interferon *now,* that she has
 had good results with it (she has an FIV kitty of her own who she allows to
 mix with her negative 5 kitties).  She thinks it could help him with quality
 of life down the road.

 What do you guys think?  I've seen some conversation on this list
 previously, but hadn't paid much attention to it because I didn't think I'd
 be in this position, at least not this soon.

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[dlgegg]

Welcome to the group.  i have not had to use Interferon or anything elso so 
far.  my 2 positives are fat, sassy and healthy as can be.  so i am waiting 
until something rears it's ugly head.  i do have all my babies on L Lysine to 
boost their immune system.  my vet came back from a conference with a new treat 
- Enisyl-F Lysine Treats.  he gave me his samples since i have 2 positives to 
see if they liked them.  all 6 of my babies heard the package opening and came 
to investigate and as soon as they smelled them, they were all over me.  the 
negatives get 2 per day and the positives get 5 a day (2 at a time, keeps their 
interest up).  since they did not like the pills or paste, this is good.  hate 
to try chucking them down everyone's throat every day.  good luck with your 
babies prayers on the way for them and you.  dorlis 
 mitchell hhur...@gmail.com wrote: 
 look into LTCI from IMULAN.  There have been great sucesses with this
 treatment.
 
 On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Jeff Mills jeffkmi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  I have a little 4.5 mo. old black kitten rescued as a stray who tests FeLV+
  on a snap test. They won't do an IFA until he's been separated for three
  months (he lives in my bathroom currently), 9 mos. old would be better.
 
  My vet is recommending we put the kitten on Interferon *now,* that she has
  had good results with it (she has an FIV kitty of her own who she allows to
  mix with her negative 5 kitties).  She thinks it could help him with quality
  of life down the road.
 
  What do you guys think?  I've seen some conversation on this list
  previously, but hadn't paid much attention to it because I didn't think I'd
  be in this position, at least not this soon.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon thoughts?

[Gloria B. Lane]

Impressive vet.  Yes, there has been some varied opinions about it.  
But I'd put her on oral Interferon - a very low dose. I think 30 units 
is a standard for adult cats so would ask the vet how much she thinks - 
c ertainly lower than an adult dose.

Gloria




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Subject : RE: [Felvtalk] Interferon thoughts?

 I have a little 4.5 mo. old black kitten rescued as a stray who tests 
FeLV+ on a snap test. They won't do an IFA until he's been separated 
for three months (he lives in my bathroom currently), 9 mos. old would 
be better.

My vet is recommending we put the kitten on Interferon *now,* that she 
has had good results with it (she has an FIV kitty of her own who she 
allows to mix with her negative 5 kitties).  She thinks it could help 
him with quality of life down the road.

What do you guys think?  I've seen some conversation on this list 
previously, but hadn't paid much attention to it because I didn't think 
I'd be in this position, at least not this soon.

Jeff



  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon thoughts?

[jbero tds.net]

Jeff,

I would definitely start something whether it be interferon or the LTCI
injections.  They may not look sick when first diagnosed but they go
downhill quickly and you feel helpless.  There is some suggestion of thymic
hypoplasia in these young cats with felv+.  (the thymus is responsible for
the production of T cells which are necessary for the destruction of this
virus).  Interferon helps aid in the activity of the T cells.  LTCI is
thought to stimulate the production of interferon by the cat's own cells.
Overall each one increases levels of interferon to help the Tcells.  LTCI
just stimulates the cat's own body to make it.

I highly recommend doing something to increase the cat's chance of long term
survival.  Have your vet look into LTCI from Imulan if they are not familiar
with it.  There is some suggestion that early use of some aid may increase
the likelihood of the cat turning negative.  I can't say for certain.  Good
luck

Jenny

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Jeff Mills jeffkmi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I have a little 4.5 mo. old black kitten rescued as a stray who tests FeLV+
 on a snap test. They won't do an IFA until he's been separated for three
 months (he lives in my bathroom currently), 9 mos. old would be better.

 My vet is recommending we put the kitten on Interferon *now,* that she has
 had good results with it (she has an FIV kitty of her own who she allows to
 mix with her negative 5 kitties).  She thinks it could help him with quality
 of life down the road.

 What do you guys think?  I've seen some conversation on this list
 previously, but hadn't paid much attention to it because I didn't think I'd
 be in this position, at least not this soon.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Hotmail Junk]

I agree Jane!! We as pet owners are going above and beyond to HELP our  
pets!! If it was not for our vet and the specialist, gray cat would  
not be now testing NEGATIVE for FeLV!


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On Oct 2, 2009, at 4:21 PM, Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com wrote:


Lorrie wrote:

Thank you for asking people in the group to look into their hearts
to see if these treatments are for the cat or for themselves because
they want to keep the cat alive no matter what it has to endure.

This is an unkind and sanctimonious remark, Lorrie. I hope you are  
kinder

to the cats you care for.

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[Lorrie]

Jane,

I'm sorry this came across as santimonious and unkind.
I sincerely believe we all do the very best we can for 
the cats we LOVE and care for.

Lorrie

On 10-02, Jane Lyons wrote:
 Lorrie wrote:
 
 Thank you for asking people in the group to look into their hearts
 to see if these treatments are for the cat or for themselves because
 they want to keep the cat alive no matter what it has to endure.
 
 This is an unkind and sanctimonious remark, Lorrie. I hope you are  
 kinder to the cats you care for.
 
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[Lorrie]

Hi Michael of Second Chance Meows...

Just a note to let you know I agree with what you wrote. I have 
seen people put their cats through all sorts of painful, invasive
proceedures, and use numerous powerful drugs which make the cats
sicker than they are already, when there is no hope for a cure.  In
my opinion this only prolongs the life of a cat, and I feel it causes 
the poor animal to suffer longer than it should.

It breaks my heart to see what some owners put their cats through.  
I wouldn't want to be kept alive if I was suffering from something
incurable.

I also have FelV cats who live in a two large cageless rooms in
my cat sanctuary, which is a 2,000 sq foot building I bought as
a cat shelter.  I do not give them any drugs like interferon, I
only give them antibiotics if they come down with a URI or have
any other condition which requires veterinary treatment. As long
as they respond to the treatment I know they will have a few more
good months or years before FelV eventually claims them.  

Thank you for asking people in the group to look into their hearts
to see if these treatments are for the cat or for themselves because
they want to keep the cat alive no matter what it has to endure. 

Lorrie 


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 my suggestion is to do some research on it.  Interferon is used to
 fight forms of cancer, and is considered to be chemo. side effects
 include: loss of weight, nausea, hair loss, heart issues, pain,
 chills,temperature, and many others. I know your talking about low
 doses of it but anything that is placed into these little bodies
 that has the power to kill not only the bad cells BUT THE GOOD ONES
 TOO can not be good for them.  their systems are compromised
 already. JUST MY OPINION. before you make the decision to give
 this to the cat...look into your own heart and ask is this for the
 cat..or for yourself?  will this really improve the quality of its
 life or just prolong the agony its going thru or create more agony,
 stress for it?
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon, etc

[Gloria B. Lane]

We all have different ways of dealing with these problems, but we care.

Interferon, as I understand, isn't so much a 'drug'  - it's a  
naturally occurring protein substance in the body.  Overdosing on it  
is similar to OD'ing on a nutrient such as Vitamin A (or something  
like that).  In human treatments for cancer, etc, you get injected  
with a huge OD.  For FELV, cats, however, it more of a food supplement.


So it's indeed much more ' natural' than antibiotics.  I personally  
think it's a helpful thing for FELVs, but don't use it as much as I  
used to.  I used to use it with all FELVs less than 3 yrs old.   Guess  
I've mellowed, and I just don't have time.


Gloria




On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Lorrie wrote:



Hi Michael of Second Chance Meows...

Just a note to let you know I agree with what you wrote. I have
seen people put their cats through all sorts of painful, invasive
proceedures, and use numerous powerful drugs which make the cats
sicker than they are already, when there is no hope for a cure.  In
my opinion this only prolongs the life of a cat, and I feel it causes
the poor animal to suffer longer than it should.

It breaks my heart to see what some owners put their cats through.
I wouldn't want to be kept alive if I was suffering from something
incurable.

I also have FelV cats who live in a two large cageless rooms in
my cat sanctuary, which is a 2,000 sq foot building I bought as
a cat shelter.  I do not give them any drugs like interferon, I
only give them antibiotics if they come down with a URI or have
any other condition which requires veterinary treatment. As long
as they respond to the treatment I know they will have a few more
good months or years before FelV eventually claims them.

Thank you for asking people in the group to look into their hearts
to see if these treatments are for the cat or for themselves because
they want to keep the cat alive no matter what it has to endure.

Lorrie


On 09-29, Second Chance Meows wrote:


my suggestion is to do some research on it.  Interferon is used to
fight forms of cancer, and is considered to be chemo. side effects
include: loss of weight, nausea, hair loss, heart issues, pain,
chills,temperature, and many others. I know your talking about low
doses of it but anything that is placed into these little bodies
that has the power to kill not only the bad cells BUT THE GOOD ONES
TOO can not be good for them.  their systems are compromised
already. JUST MY OPINION. before you make the decision to give
this to the cat...look into your own heart and ask is this for the
cat..or for yourself?  will this really improve the quality of its
life or just prolong the agony its going thru or create more agony,
stress for it?

Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon-Article that explains why I now give it 2x daily

[Gloria B. Lane]

Thanks very much for the article.  This is consistent with what I've  
heard, mostly in years past on this list, possibly from Tally (www.tallyville.com/interferon.html) 
.  It is Low Dose Oral Interferon alpha, as I understand drastically  
different from high dose injected interferon given to humans for  
cancer treatment.


The other protocols I've seen listed are 3 days on/3 off, and 7 days  
on/7 off.  I've seen folks express concern that cats will become  
immune to the interferon, if they're not off it for a while. One  
justification for daily use is that FELV cats don't have enough  
naturally occurring Interferon to support their immune systems.Now  
that's just a theory I've seen posted on  this list, from years back.


Gloria





On Sep 30, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Alice Flowers wrote:

Here are some excerpts from some research on Interferon-I have been  
giving it 2x a day-orally 1 cc to Rosie and Murphy. I had been  
giving it onece a day to the other 4 that passed away. I always give  
it right before the canned food-they both come into the kitchen and  
pester me, Murphy bangs the cabinet door until I get the little  
syringe filled. Then they sit and wait for the little squirt, Rosie  
will tilt her head sideways-she likes it squirted on the right side  
of her mouth, I don't have to force them to take it, it's just the  
routine. I even tasted it, just tastes like saline solutine-similar  
to sinus rinse or saline nasal spray. I have not noticed any side  
effects, except maybe lately, combined with the Imulan treatments  
the last 2 weeks-they are playing much more and are awake for longer  
periods and are looking for things to get into. They are making up  
for being so sick the first year.


WHY IS DAILY DOSING BETTER?
Jere Hough
Three Times Weekly Is A Terribly Poor Way to Dose Interferon
This is a great article and also discusses the development of longer  
acting pegylated interferons to better manage the peak and valley  
effects of the current generation of Interferons:
“PEAKS AND VALLEYS - Because interferon has a half-life in serum of  
only about 7 -10 hours. This means it peaks in the body at about 12  
hours and is then rapidly metabolized and excreted. At 24 hours  
after injection it is barely measurable. By 36 hours it is not  
detectable with current measurements. During this peak the is a  
rapid, dramatic drop in viral load. As the levels of interferons  
quickly drop to negligible levels at about 24 hours viral loads  
start rapidly climbing again. By 48 or especially 72 hours much of  
the gain in viral reduction has been lost.
In other words, viral loads in the body fluctuate directly and  
rapidly along with levels of interferon in serum, and when plotted  
on a graph look like a sine wave, or a roller coaster. This graph,  
along with a description of this phenomena, can be viewed on many  
websites and texts on the subject, including the http://www.roche-hepc.com/ 
 page. These peaks and valleys have been followed for days in human  
subjects, and are invariably similar in those who respond to IFN.
As interferon levels go up viral loads go down immediately. Then as  
IFN levels drop, viral loads increase again rapidly. In the period  
from 24 to 48 hours viral loads peak to erase most of the gains  
made. In standard TIW dosing the increase in viral loads is even  
more pronounced during the 72 hour break once each week.”
1) NEVER give with food. Inteferon breaks down in the stomach with  
stomach acid. Always squirt it directly into the mouth where it is  
absorbed in the mouth and throat lining.
#2) ALWAYS keep refridgerated. It's useless if it hits room  
temperature. Keep unused dilutions frozen until needed. It's unknown  
how long Interferon stays effective in the fridge. Keep unused  
dilutions frozen until needed.
#3) It's USELESS to do on/off dosing. It MUST be given every 24  
hours to maintain consistent levels in the bloodstream. (See  
excerpts below regarding peaks and valleys). It must be kept in the  
blood at all times. On/Off protocols are worthless because it  
progresses forward in times of no intervention.


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[Esther Jorda]

*Do you use interferon (alfa) with asymptomatic cats or once they become
ill???*

2009/9/30 Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net

 Here are some excerpts from some research on Interferon-I have been giving
 it 2x a day-orally 1 cc to Rosie and Murphy. I had been giving it onece a
 day to the other 4 that passed away. I always give it right before the
 canned food-they both come into the kitchen and pester me, Murphy bangs the
 cabinet door until I get the little syringe filled. Then they sit and wait
 for the little squirt, Rosie will tilt her head sideways-she likes it
 squirted on the right side of her mouth, I don't have to force them to take
 it, it's just the routine. I even tasted it, just tastes like saline
 solutine-similar to sinus rinse or saline nasal spray. I have not noticed
 any side effects, except maybe lately, combined with the Imulan treatments
 the last 2 weeks-they are playing much more and are awake for longer periods
 and are looking for things to get into. They are making up for being so sick
 the first year.

 WHY IS DAILY DOSING BETTER?
 Jere Hough
 Three Times Weekly Is A Terribly Poor Way to Dose Interferon
 This is a great article and also discusses the development of longer acting
 pegylated interferons to better manage the peak and valley effects of the
 current generation of Interferons:
 “PEAKS AND VALLEYS - Because interferon has a half-life in serum of only
 about 7 -10 hours. This means it peaks in the body at about 12 hours and is
 then rapidly metabolized and excreted. At 24 hours after injection it is
 barely measurable. By 36 hours it is not detectable with current
 measurements. During this peak the is a rapid, dramatic drop in viral load.
 As the levels of interferons quickly drop to negligible levels at about 24
 hours viral loads start rapidly climbing again. By 48 or especially 72 hours
 much of the gain in viral reduction has been lost.
 In other words, viral loads in the body fluctuate directly and rapidly
 along with levels of interferon in serum, and when plotted on a graph look
 like a sine wave, or a roller coaster. This graph, along with a description
 of this phenomena, can be viewed on many websites and texts on the subject,
 including the http://www.roche-hepc.com/ page. These peaks and valleys
 have been followed for days in human subjects, and are invariably similar in
 those who respond to IFN.
 As interferon levels go up viral loads go down immediately. Then as IFN
 levels drop, viral loads increase again rapidly. In the period from 24 to 48
 hours viral loads peak to erase most of the gains made. In standard TIW
 dosing the increase in viral loads is even more pronounced during the 72
 hour break once each week.”
 1) NEVER give with food. Inteferon breaks down in the stomach with stomach
 acid. Always squirt it directly into the mouth where it is absorbed in the
 mouth and throat lining.
 #2) ALWAYS keep refridgerated. It's useless if it hits room temperature.
 Keep unused dilutions frozen until needed. It's unknown how long Interferon
 stays effective in the fridge. Keep unused dilutions frozen until needed.
 #3) It's USELESS to do on/off dosing. It MUST be given every 24 hours to
 maintain consistent levels in the bloodstream. (See excerpts below regarding
 peaks and valleys). It must be kept in the blood at all times. On/Off
 protocols are worthless because it progresses forward in times of no
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon-Article that explains why I now give it 2x daily

[Gloria B. Lane]

What I've always heard and done, is you use it *when* they're  
asymptomatic, on a regular basis.  If you wait till they become ill,  
it's too late.


Gloria




On Sep 30, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Esther Jorda wrote:

*Do you use interferon (alfa) with asymptomatic cats or once they  
become

ill???*

2009/9/30 Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net

Here are some excerpts from some research on Interferon-I have been  
giving
it 2x a day-orally 1 cc to Rosie and Murphy. I had been giving it  
onece a
day to the other 4 that passed away. I always give it right before  
the
canned food-they both come into the kitchen and pester me, Murphy  
bangs the
cabinet door until I get the little syringe filled. Then they sit  
and wait

for the little squirt, Rosie will tilt her head sideways-she likes it
squirted on the right side of her mouth, I don't have to force them  
to take

it, it's just the routine. I even tasted it, just tastes like saline
solutine-similar to sinus rinse or saline nasal spray. I have not  
noticed
any side effects, except maybe lately, combined with the Imulan  
treatments
the last 2 weeks-they are playing much more and are awake for  
longer periods
and are looking for things to get into. They are making up for  
being so sick

the first year.

WHY IS DAILY DOSING BETTER?
Jere Hough
Three Times Weekly Is A Terribly Poor Way to Dose Interferon
This is a great article and also discusses the development of  
longer acting
pegylated interferons to better manage the peak and valley effects  
of the

current generation of Interferons:
“PEAKS AND VALLEYS - Because interferon has a half-life in serum of  
only
about 7 -10 hours. This means it peaks in the body at about 12  
hours and is
then rapidly metabolized and excreted. At 24 hours after injection  
it is

barely measurable. By 36 hours it is not detectable with current
measurements. During this peak the is a rapid, dramatic drop in  
viral load.
As the levels of interferons quickly drop to negligible levels at  
about 24
hours viral loads start rapidly climbing again. By 48 or especially  
72 hours

much of the gain in viral reduction has been lost.
In other words, viral loads in the body fluctuate directly and  
rapidly
along with levels of interferon in serum, and when plotted on a  
graph look
like a sine wave, or a roller coaster. This graph, along with a  
description
of this phenomena, can be viewed on many websites and texts on the  
subject,
including the http://www.roche-hepc.com/ page. These peaks and  
valleys
have been followed for days in human subjects, and are invariably  
similar in

those who respond to IFN.
As interferon levels go up viral loads go down immediately. Then as  
IFN
levels drop, viral loads increase again rapidly. In the period from  
24 to 48
hours viral loads peak to erase most of the gains made. In standard  
TIW
dosing the increase in viral loads is even more pronounced during  
the 72

hour break once each week.”
1) NEVER give with food. Inteferon breaks down in the stomach with  
stomach
acid. Always squirt it directly into the mouth where it is absorbed  
in the

mouth and throat lining.
#2) ALWAYS keep refridgerated. It's useless if it hits room  
temperature.
Keep unused dilutions frozen until needed. It's unknown how long  
Interferon
stays effective in the fridge. Keep unused dilutions frozen until  
needed.
#3) It's USELESS to do on/off dosing. It MUST be given every 24  
hours to
maintain consistent levels in the bloodstream. (See excerpts below  
regarding

peaks and valleys). It must be kept in the blood at all times. On/Off
protocols are worthless because it progresses forward in times of no
intervention.

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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

[MaryChristine]

i'd call another pharmacist, actually, and ask or maybe look it up in
the merck manual (human or vet)?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 Hey Gary - OK - I'll have to see what I'm getting from the vet here, and
 see if my freezing is at the right time. These figures were from Island
 Pharm.  But I usually don't mix again after the initial mixing.  And I know
 he gives me 1000 ml saline.

 Thanks for the insight -

 Gloria




 On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:23 PM, gary wrote:

  Gloria,

 Slight math error, 3 million units cut with 1000 ml of saline gives you
 3000
 units per ml and this can be frozen indefinitely.  You usually break that
 up
 into one ml containers and freeze.  When you need one, thaw it out and cut
 with 100 ml of saline and that gives you 30 IU per ml.  Island always said
 you shouldn't freeze it after the final dilution, but I don't know if that
 is true or not.

 Gary


 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:20 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

 I haven't bought any interferon alpha in a while. The Island Pharmacy
 article on interferon alpha is here:
 http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212

 Somewhere I read and heard that it was ok to refreeze it, so have been
 doing that but the Island Pharmacy article says not to do that.

 I know that there are a lot of diverse views and not always truths
 known about oral low dose interferon alpha.  When I've bought it
 locally, I get a vial which contains 3 million units per 0.5ml .
 This is mixed in with 1000 ml sterile saline solution, and yields 30
 units per ml.  . So at this point,  Island Pharmacy says not to
 refreeze it.

 Just wondering if anyone has any other opinions or info on it?

 Thanks!

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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

[gary]

The dilution is just simple math, if you divide 3 million by 1000, you get
3000.  Then, if you divide 3000 by 100, you get 30.  I don't know if you'd
get much info about freezing it from a pharmacist, it's made for humans to
take as one shot, not to dilute and save.

Gary 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

i'd call another pharmacist, actually, and ask or maybe look it up in
the merck manual (human or vet)?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 Hey Gary - OK - I'll have to see what I'm getting from the vet here, and
 see if my freezing is at the right time. These figures were from Island
 Pharm.  But I usually don't mix again after the initial mixing.  And I
know
 he gives me 1000 ml saline.

 Thanks for the insight -

 Gloria




 On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:23 PM, gary wrote:

  Gloria,

 Slight math error, 3 million units cut with 1000 ml of saline gives you
 3000
 units per ml and this can be frozen indefinitely.  You usually break that
 up
 into one ml containers and freeze.  When you need one, thaw it out and
cut
 with 100 ml of saline and that gives you 30 IU per ml.  Island always
said
 you shouldn't freeze it after the final dilution, but I don't know if
that
 is true or not.

 Gary


 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:20 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

 I haven't bought any interferon alpha in a while. The Island Pharmacy
 article on interferon alpha is here:
 http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212

 Somewhere I read and heard that it was ok to refreeze it, so have been
 doing that but the Island Pharmacy article says not to do that.

 I know that there are a lot of diverse views and not always truths
 known about oral low dose interferon alpha.  When I've bought it
 locally, I get a vial which contains 3 million units per 0.5ml .
 This is mixed in with 1000 ml sterile saline solution, and yields 30
 units per ml.  . So at this point,  Island Pharmacy says not to
 refreeze it.

 Just wondering if anyone has any other opinions or info on it?

 Thanks!

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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

[Kelley Saveika]

Interesting, my vet said it was fine to freeze it.  I did ultimately decide
not to give it to Missy due to her heart problems, but he did say it was
fine to freeze it.

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:56 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 The dilution is just simple math, if you divide 3 million by 1000, you get
 3000.  Then, if you divide 3000 by 100, you get 30.  I don't know if you'd
 get much info about freezing it from a pharmacist, it's made for humans to
 take as one shot, not to dilute and save.

 Gary

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
 Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:33 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

 i'd call another pharmacist, actually, and ask or maybe look it up in
 the merck manual (human or vet)?

 On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 wrote:

  Hey Gary - OK - I'll have to see what I'm getting from the vet here, and
  see if my freezing is at the right time. These figures were from Island
  Pharm.  But I usually don't mix again after the initial mixing.  And I
 know
  he gives me 1000 ml saline.
 
  Thanks for the insight -
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
 
  On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:23 PM, gary wrote:
 
   Gloria,
 
  Slight math error, 3 million units cut with 1000 ml of saline gives you
  3000
  units per ml and this can be frozen indefinitely.  You usually break
 that
  up
  into one ml containers and freeze.  When you need one, thaw it out and
 cut
  with 100 ml of saline and that gives you 30 IU per ml.  Island always
 said
  you shouldn't freeze it after the final dilution, but I don't know if
 that
  is true or not.
 
  Gary
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B.
 Lane
  Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:20 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha
 
  I haven't bought any interferon alpha in a while. The Island Pharmacy
  article on interferon alpha is here:
  http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212
 
  Somewhere I read and heard that it was ok to refreeze it, so have been
  doing that but the Island Pharmacy article says not to do that.
 
  I know that there are a lot of diverse views and not always truths
  known about oral low dose interferon alpha.  When I've bought it
  locally, I get a vial which contains 3 million units per 0.5ml .
  This is mixed in with 1000 ml sterile saline solution, and yields 30
  units per ml.  . So at this point,  Island Pharmacy says not to
  refreeze it.
 
  Just wondering if anyone has any other opinions or info on it?
 
  Thanks!
 
  Gloria
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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

[gary]

Gloria,

Slight math error, 3 million units cut with 1000 ml of saline gives you 3000
units per ml and this can be frozen indefinitely.  You usually break that up
into one ml containers and freeze.  When you need one, thaw it out and cut
with 100 ml of saline and that gives you 30 IU per ml.  Island always said
you shouldn't freeze it after the final dilution, but I don't know if that
is true or not.

Gary


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

I haven't bought any interferon alpha in a while. The Island Pharmacy  
article on interferon alpha is here:
http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212

Somewhere I read and heard that it was ok to refreeze it, so have been  
doing that but the Island Pharmacy article says not to do that.

I know that there are a lot of diverse views and not always truths  
known about oral low dose interferon alpha.  When I've bought it  
locally, I get a vial which contains 3 million units per 0.5ml .  
This is mixed in with 1000 ml sterile saline solution, and yields 30  
units per ml.  . So at this point,  Island Pharmacy says not to  
refreeze it.

Just wondering if anyone has any other opinions or info on it?

Thanks!

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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

[Gloria B. Lane]

Hey Gary - OK - I'll have to see what I'm getting from the vet here,  
and see if my freezing is at the right time. These figures were from  
Island Pharm.  But I usually don't mix again after the initial  
mixing.  And I know he gives me 1000 ml saline.


Thanks for the insight -

Gloria



On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:23 PM, gary wrote:


Gloria,

Slight math error, 3 million units cut with 1000 ml of saline gives  
you 3000
units per ml and this can be frozen indefinitely.  You usually break  
that up
into one ml containers and freeze.  When you need one, thaw it out  
and cut
with 100 ml of saline and that gives you 30 IU per ml.  Island  
always said
you shouldn't freeze it after the final dilution, but I don't know  
if that

is true or not.

Gary


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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B.  
Lane

Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

I haven't bought any interferon alpha in a while. The Island Pharmacy
article on interferon alpha is here:
http://www.islandpharmacy.com/site/1420401/page/769212

Somewhere I read and heard that it was ok to refreeze it, so have been
doing that but the Island Pharmacy article says not to do that.

I know that there are a lot of diverse views and not always truths
known about oral low dose interferon alpha.  When I've bought it
locally, I get a vial which contains 3 million units per 0.5ml .
This is mixed in with 1000 ml sterile saline solution, and yields 30
units per ml.  . So at this point,  Island Pharmacy says not to
refreeze it.

Just wondering if anyone has any other opinions or info on it?

Thanks!

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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

[MaryChristine]

i'd do some more looking around--i'm fairly certain i'd heard that freezing
it was okay, too--how could anyone EVER use it all within the expiration
time, at cat-sized dosages???

(in fact, i just heard of some unused, unexpired, refrigerated interferon
that's available -- but we need to figure out the best way to
dilute/prepare/distribute it to folks who need it--and if we aren't going to
be able to freeze any of it, well.

maybe, while we're working on it, this is a good time to ascertain
interest?

MC

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 6:14 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 I've heard it starts to get cloudy when it is going bad.  I'd bet it should
 last 90 days.

 Gary

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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:44 PM
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 Notice that Island Pharmacy says the expiration is 90 days... hmmm.

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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

[Jane Lyons]

Hi Gloria
I've been using it for  about 6 months and have followed the  
directions given
to me by Franck's Compounding, which is that it has a refrigerator  
life of 30 days

for 60ml.
I have been stretching that by giving it on one day and off the next.
I wish I could help you, but I do know that Island is no longer  
compounding it.


Jane
On May 22, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

I was looking over the Island Pharmacy instructions for Interferon  
alpha.  They say


Interferon Alpha 2a is available as a human drug under the brand  
name “Roferon-A” (Roche).  The smallest syringe is 3 million units  
per 0.5ml.  To prepare a 30unit/ml oral solution, IPS first dilutes  
the Roferon in 1000ml of sterile saline.  This first dilution is  
reported to be stable indefinitely when frozen.  A second dilution  
reduces the concentration to 30 units per ml.  This second dilution  
should not be frozen, but must be stored in the refrigerator.  IPS  
labels the 30unit/ml dilution with a 90-day expiration date, thus a  
50ml quantity is sufficient for 90 days when using the 7 days on, 7  
days off schedule.  The cost for this quantity is $40.00, plus  
shipping.  



I'd swear I've read of freezing the second dilution for later use -  
but they're saying it's not stable if you do that. Whatever that  
means.  Any insight into that?


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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

[Gloria B. Lane]

Notice that Island Pharmacy says the expiration is 90 days... hmmm.

Gloria



On May 22, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Jane Lyons wrote:


Hi Gloria
I've been using it for  about 6 months and have followed the  
directions given
to me by Franck's Compounding, which is that it has a refrigerator  
life of 30 days

for 60ml.
I have been stretching that by giving it on one day and off the next.
I wish I could help you, but I do know that Island is no longer  
compounding it.


Jane
On May 22, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

I was looking over the Island Pharmacy instructions for Interferon  
alpha.  They say


Interferon Alpha 2a is available as a human drug under the brand  
name “Roferon-A” (Roche).  The smallest syringe is 3 million units  
per 0.5ml.  To prepare a 30unit/ml oral solution, IPS first dilutes  
the Roferon in 1000ml of sterile saline.  This first dilution is  
reported to be stable indefinitely when frozen.  A second dilution  
reduces the concentration to 30 units per ml.  This second dilution  
should not be frozen, but must be stored in the refrigerator.  IPS  
labels the 30unit/ml dilution with a 90-day expiration date, thus a  
50ml quantity is sufficient for 90 days when using the 7 days on, 7  
days off schedule.  The cost for this quantity is $40.00, plus  
shipping.  



I'd swear I've read of freezing the second dilution for later use -  
but they're saying it's not stable if you do that. Whatever that  
means.  Any insight into that?


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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

[gary]

I've heard it starts to get cloudy when it is going bad.  I'd bet it should
last 90 days.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] interferon alpha

Notice that Island Pharmacy says the expiration is 90 days... hmmm.

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[MaryChristine]

i think that both the aafp and winn feline foundation's papers/guidelines
are listed under Management of Retroviruses--if you search the archives,
you should find the exact links as i tend to send them often, but i've just
moved, and can't even find stuff packed on the computer, no less in
boxes. (and the aafp has this nasty little habit of changing link
addresses--but their whole site is useful, so i never mind just wandering
through all the categories.)

to my mind, tho, the fact that the merck uses the same figures that have
been long known in our underground is the most important development in
years--it's MUCH harder for the 'professionals' to scoff at that. of course,
first we have to get them to READ the current merck

MC

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 Thanks for this, MC,  I need references sometimes.  This is great.

 Gloria



 On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:56 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

  avia, please tell your vet to look up FeLV in the merck manual The Merck
 Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases:
 Introduction
 http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia
 ,

 where it states that 70% of exposed healthy adult cats will NOT stay
 infected even if they do get the virus for awhile--that their immune
 systems
 will process the virus out of their systems. you might also want to ask
 the
 vet to show you one case of a vaccinated negative cat getting the virus
 from
 a positive--many FeLV parents have been looking for that documentation for
 at least seven years that i know of, and, surprise!--we haven't found it.
 (we've found cases where cats who were only tested once, not taking the
 exposure period into consideration, who did test positive after originally
 testing negative, but NO cases of doubly-tested negative cats who were
 vaccinated turning positive.)

 two other good sites for CURRENT information on VETERINARY guidelines for
 dealing with cats with FeLV (which will give owners accurate info, as
 well)
 can be found at the american assn of feline practitioners' site (
 www.catvets.com), and at the winn feline foundation's site (
 www.winnfelinehealth.org.)

 sadly, as you are learning, vets are NOT the best source for information
 on
 the three Fs: FeLV, FIV and FIP.

 everyone, go put your vet's name and contact info into belinda's database!
 www.adopt.bemikitties.com

 MC

 ,
 On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com
 wrote:


 Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have
 ordered
 the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when
 he
 gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to
 talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing
 Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I
 may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here
 know
 of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV?

 Thanks again,
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[James Rauscher]

Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know if 
cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some vets say 
that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests (because of the 
vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show up positive on the 
IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone clarify that for me?

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[MaryChristine]

yes, it is possible for a cat who tests positive on the IFA to test negative
later on, but it is MUCH less likely.

depends on two things, as far as i can tell, on two things: initially, the
same thing that holds for retesting with the ELISSA: it can take up to 120
days for the antigens to the virus to work their way out of the cat's system
and after a positive test, to be negative on a second ELISSA test (or on an
IFA--they test for the same thing, just in a different form), so if you
perform an IFA too soon after an ELISSA, it's just gonna be reacting to the
same antigens.

that's why we emphasize the need to WAIT for the exposure period to pass--i
don't trust a second test until after 120 days, unless i know for sure when
the last possible exposure was.

in some cases, and this is the research citation i can't find, tho it used
to be in an older version of the merck, is that one cat didn't test negative
on an IFA until seven or eight months after his first test! we just don't
know enough

generally, however, if a kitty tests positive on the IFA AFTER the 120-day
period, in the vast majority of cases, it will remain positive.

just today i started looking for more information that was mentioned in
november about the newest research showing that some cats can remain
positive without ever progressing to symptoms, AND not remaining contagious.

as i say all the time, we just do NOT know enough, because for too many
years, the main mode of treatment was euthanasia, which makes it very
difficult to do research. you have to have a living population to learn
anything, after all.

(and yes, it takes up to 120 days for the antigens to show up on the
ELISSA/IFA, as well, so a NEGATIVE test doesn't mean a thing either, but
look at how few cats who test negative ever end up positive. some do, sadly,
but the vast majority never do. )

MC

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:28 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know
 if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some
 vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests
 (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show
 up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone
 clarify that for me?

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[gary]

I know there are some who say they have cats that were IFA positive and are
now negative, I would say it is a rare thing.

The FeLV vaccine has no effect on the ELISA or the IFA test.  It is the FIV
vaccine that will make a cat test positive for FIV.

Gary

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Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know
if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some
vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests
(because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show
up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone
clarify that for me?

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[MaryChristine]

gary, it truly has to do with nothing more than the issue of exposure time
and time needed for the virus to be neutralized by the body: both the ELISSA
and IFA test for antigens, NOT antibodies. test with ifa at same time as
ELISSA, and you'll get the same result. test two weeks later, and you'll
still probably get a positive result, because you haven't given kitty's
system time to have processed the virus out. a positive IFA after 4 months
however, is a totally different story--probably high, high 90s chance of
being a true positive in that case. but there's a big difference between a
retest at two weeks and four months, and that's what we have to emphasize.

some research says that you can reliably retest after 30 days, but most says
90 to 120 days. many sanctuaries, and individual FeLV parents, who didn't
know that retesting was necessary, have found that their positive cats
actually aren't, often upon routine testing years later while trying to rule
out something else. you can't trust a single ELISSA, and an IFA run too
early is just as inaccurate in that it'll produce the same result.

i don't know/understand the science enough to explain why there isn't a test
that uses antibodies to confirm or refute positivity with FeLV--in europe,
the western blot, which does test for antibodies, is used for FeLV as well
as for FIV. anyone know why we don't use that here??? i'm sure there are
some specific drawbacks, but if we could test for antibodies to FeLV, we
could at least get a definite yes or no

MC

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:28 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 I know there are some who say they have cats that were IFA positive and are
 now negative, I would say it is a rare thing.

 The FeLV vaccine has no effect on the ELISA or the IFA test.  It is the FIV
 vaccine that will make a cat test positive for FIV.

 Gary

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 Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:28 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?


 Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know
 if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some
 vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests
 (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show
 up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone
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[MaryChristine]

avia, please tell your vet to look up FeLV in the merck manual The Merck
Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases:
Introductionhttp://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia,
where it states that 70% of exposed healthy adult cats will NOT stay
infected even if they do get the virus for awhile--that their immune systems
will process the virus out of their systems. you might also want to ask the
vet to show you one case of a vaccinated negative cat getting the virus from
a positive--many FeLV parents have been looking for that documentation for
at least seven years that i know of, and, surprise!--we haven't found it.
(we've found cases where cats who were only tested once, not taking the
exposure period into consideration, who did test positive after originally
testing negative, but NO cases of doubly-tested negative cats who were
vaccinated turning positive.)

two other good sites for CURRENT information on VETERINARY guidelines for
dealing with cats with FeLV (which will give owners accurate info, as well)
can be found at the american assn of feline practitioners' site (
www.catvets.com), and at the winn feline foundation's site (
www.winnfelinehealth.org.)

sadly, as you are learning, vets are NOT the best source for information on
the three Fs: FeLV, FIV and FIP.

everyone, go put your vet's name and contact info into belinda's database!
www.adopt.bemikitties.com

MC

,
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.comwrote:


 Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered
 the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he
 gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to
 talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing
 Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I
 may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know
 of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV?

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[Gloria B. Lane]

Thanks for this, MC,  I need references sometimes.  This is great.

Gloria



On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:56 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

avia, please tell your vet to look up FeLV in the merck manual The  
Merck

Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases:
Introductionhttp://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia 
,

where it states that 70% of exposed healthy adult cats will NOT stay
infected even if they do get the virus for awhile--that their immune  
systems
will process the virus out of their systems. you might also want to  
ask the
vet to show you one case of a vaccinated negative cat getting the  
virus from
a positive--many FeLV parents have been looking for that  
documentation for
at least seven years that i know of, and, surprise!--we haven't  
found it.
(we've found cases where cats who were only tested once, not taking  
the
exposure period into consideration, who did test positive after  
originally

testing negative, but NO cases of doubly-tested negative cats who were
vaccinated turning positive.)

two other good sites for CURRENT information on VETERINARY  
guidelines for
dealing with cats with FeLV (which will give owners accurate info,  
as well)

can be found at the american assn of feline practitioners' site (
www.catvets.com), and at the winn feline foundation's site (
www.winnfelinehealth.org.)

sadly, as you are learning, vets are NOT the best source for  
information on

the three Fs: FeLV, FIV and FIP.

everyone, go put your vet's name and contact info into belinda's  
database!

www.adopt.bemikitties.com

MC

,
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, James Rauscher  
jamesna...@yahoo.comwrote:




Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have  
ordered
the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet  
(when he
gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am  
going to
talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about  
bringing
Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an  
appointment. I
may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone  
here know

of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV?

Thanks again,
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[gary]

They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive.  The brief search I
did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors,
etc., very expensive.  It is a therapy use that has been tried on many
different things for humans and I guess some animals.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?

They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins?

Gloria



On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote:

 The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct.  I
 seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become
 positive.  It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the
 vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have  
 should
 keep them fairly safe.  There are, of course, no guarantees.

 I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it.   
 I am
 presently using Moducare.  I don't think any of us has any  
 scientific proof
 as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough  
 study, so
 we do what we feel will help.

 As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention  
 that here
 or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else.

 I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be  
 waiting
 a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old  
 positives.

 Gary

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 Rauscher
 Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?


 One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her  
 interferon,
 that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her.  
 Two other
 vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until  
 she gets
 sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my  
 negative
 cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become
 positive as well, even though they are vaccinated.

 Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same  
 route as
 me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the  
 negatives)
 but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is
 supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system  
 booster.

 Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who  
 told me to
 re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and  
 only help
 to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different
 opinion from every vet I talk to!


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[Gloria B. Lane]

What do you know about it in relation to FELV?

Gloria



On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, gary wrote:

They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive.  The brief  
search I
did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different  
donors,

etc., very expensive.  It is a therapy use that has been tried on many
different things for humans and I guess some animals.

Gary

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Lane

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things  
help?


They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins?

Gloria



On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote:


The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct.  I
seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become
positive.  It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the
vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have
should
keep them fairly safe.  There are, of course, no guarantees.

I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it.
I am
presently using Moducare.  I don't think any of us has any
scientific proof
as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough
study, so
we do what we feel will help.

As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention
that here
or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else.

I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be
waiting
a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old
positives.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James
Rauscher
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?


One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her
interferon,
that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her.
Two other
vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until
she gets
sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my
negative
cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably  
become

positive as well, even though they are vaccinated.

Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same
route as
me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the
negatives)
but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is
supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system
booster.

Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who
told me to
re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and
only help
to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different
opinion from every vet I talk to!


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[gary]

Not much of anything but while doing a little searching I found a couple of
interesting links.  All the research is pretty old (1980s) and I have heard
that once the vaccine was developed they stopped doing other research.

http://www.felineleukemia.info/staphproteinacowan1.htm

and

http://books.google.com/books?id=GVtdtOsIsAUCpg=PA362lpg=PA362dq=immunogl
obulins+for+FeLV+treatmentsource=blots=7Xp6iTaKOcsig=XkTBY31e2zYN3r2Jnmrq
MMOBwRA#PPA367,M1

The one above has some interesting reading on pages 360 to 363.

Gary

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Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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What do you know about it in relation to FELV?

Gloria



On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, gary wrote:

 They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive.  The brief  
 search I
 did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different  
 donors,
 etc., very expensive.  It is a therapy use that has been tried on many
 different things for humans and I guess some animals.

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[James Rauscher]

Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered the 
Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he gets 
back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to talk to 
him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing Onyx in when I 
need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I may not be able to, 
but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know of a vet in NYC that 
has a positive approach to managing FelV? 

Thanks again,
Avia  Onyx


  

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[Lisa Borden]

 

Hi Avia! I am the other person you talked to. :) The Vetri-DMG was
given to Tommy by his holistic vet, along with the homeopathic
antiviral. Will it get rid of the FeLV? I have no idea. All I can
say is that I've talked to others who had cats test positive
initially, and then negative after treating them holistically. I can
also say that Tommy is perfectly healthy. However, I do not know at
this point if he is positive or negative. He won't die from FeLV
itself, but rather from secondary illnesses. My goal is to keep him
and my other cats as healthy as possible. 

Hope that helps. :) 

Lisa
 On Sat 04/04/09 8:28 PM , James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com sent:
 One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her
interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not
hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her
except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them
recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies
because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though
they are vaccinated.
 Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same
route as me in not separating the positives and negatives
(vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty
something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body
naturally and is an immune system booster.
 Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who
told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very
expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very
confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to!
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[Lynne]

My FeLV cat was put on Interferon, injected daily, but he had too many 
complications and the injections were started too late to make a difference 
but the vet did take what I had left to use on a healthy positive cat they 
had in their care.  It's an immune booster and I think could be beneficial 
in keeping a positive cat healthy.  My nephew who is undergoing 
chemo/radiation therapy for Hodgkin's lymphoma has to give himself 
injections daily, so if it's used for cancer patients, I see no reason not 
to give it to FeLV cats.


I don't know what to say about rehoming your negatives but those vets seem 
quite negative.  I don't see how an immunized cat can become positive and 
unless your cats are fighting and biting, I wouldn't be too worried.


Lynne
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Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?




One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, 
that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two 
other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until 
she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing 
my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will 
inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated.


Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as 
me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the 
negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG 
which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system 
booster.


Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me 
to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only 
help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different 
opinion from every vet I talk to!


Avia




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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?

[Cougar Clan]

Oh my, get new vets.  Dixie was on interferon and lots of supplements  
(mostly from a holistic vet).  Her quality of life for three years was  
marvelous.  I wish mine was as high.  She ate very high quality food +  
chopped veggies high in C iron etc.  Please remember that everyone  
dies and everyone dies from something.  We are not guaranteed a second  
more of life and must enjoy the time we have.  You are blessed with  
Onyx and other cats.  Enjoy their days and yours.  Put the calendar in  
the trash.

On Apr 4, 2009, at 7:28 PM, James Rauscher wrote:



One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her  
interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not  
hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her  
except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of  
them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one  
dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even  
though they are vaccinated.


Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same  
route as me in not separating the positives and negatives  
(vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty  
something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body  
naturally and is an immune system booster.


Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who  
told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very  
expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very  
confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?

[gary]

The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct.  I
seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become
positive.  It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the
vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should
keep them fairly safe.  There are, of course, no guarantees.

I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it.  I am
presently using Moducare.  I don't think any of us has any scientific proof
as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so
we do what we feel will help.

As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here
or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else.

I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting
a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives.

Gary

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?


One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon,
that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other
vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets
sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative
cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become
positive as well, even though they are vaccinated.

Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as
me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives)
but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is
supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster.

Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to
re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help
to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different
opinion from every vet I talk to!


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