Re: [Felvtalk] Meds all at once.....
Maribel, I'd follow up with a little liquid Sandy W > On May 17, 2018 at 12:27 PM Maribel Piloto <pilo...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > Yes - this is one of my fears. Over the week I work and feed colonies > and so I only see Flaqui in the morning and late at night. She sleeps with > me but it would seem as if whenever I was awake, I would be plunging > medicines down her throat. I was concerned about the interaction of the > medicines but if you guys don't think that's a problem, I will definitely do > everything at once. > > Maribel > > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are > treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > > > - > From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Meds all at once. > > > > > Maribel > At those time that I have had to give multiple meds I preferred ( both > for my own comfort and my relationship with my Kitties) to do it all at > once ( usually 2-3 times a day) I found that when I tried spacing > meds out throughout the day my cats regarded me as this evil being that > was only going to cause them discomfort ( " Hey every time he reaches > for me it's only to shove something down my throat!!! what's up with > THAT" ) > Yeah...maybe it was me imagining it butmassed meds worked better. > BTW in those instances when one or two of the meds were injections I > did those at different times of the day I would not have had that > freedom, however, had I not been retired at the time.. Sometimes > the exigencies of life dictate what one MUST do > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Meds all at once.....
Yes - this is one of my fears. Over the week I work and feed colonies and so I only see Flaqui in the morning and late at night. She sleeps with me but it would seem as if whenever I was awake, I would be plunging medicines down her throat. I was concerned about the interaction of the medicines but if you guys don't think that's a problem, I will definitely do everything at once. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi From: ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Meds all at once. Maribel At those time that I have had to give multiple meds I preferred ( both for my own comfort and my relationship with my Kitties) to do it all at once ( usually 2-3 times a day) I found that when I tried spacing meds out throughout the day my cats regarded me as this evil being that was only going to cause them discomfort ( " Hey every time he reaches for me it's only to shove something down my throat!!! what's up with THAT" ) Yeah...maybe it was me imagining it butmassed meds worked better. BTW in those instances when one or two of the meds were injections I did those at different times of the day I would not have had that freedom, however, had I not been retired at the time.. Sometimes the exigencies of life dictate what one MUST do ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Meds all at once.....
Maribel At those time that I have had to give multiple meds I preferred ( both for my own comfort and my relationship with my Kitties) to do it all at once ( usually 2-3 times a day) I found that when I tried spacing meds out throughout the day my cats regarded me as this evil being that was only going to cause them discomfort ( " Hey every time he reaches for me it's only to shove something down my throat!!! what's up with THAT" ) Yeah...maybe it was me imagining it but....massed meds worked better. BTW in those instances when one or two of the meds were injections I did those at different times of the day I would not have had that freedom, however, had I not been retired at the time.. Sometimes the exigencies of life dictate what one MUST do ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
On 06-12, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds I was hoping there > was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are > many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is > mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them > to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already > helpingHOPE it continues to do so)... Wondering if anyone had used > larger doses than 5mg BID.. Do you mean .5ml which is half of a 1ml syringe? My IBD cat gets .5 of prednisolone once a day and is doing very well on it. It does affect a cats immune system which is why it works well with inflamatory problems like IBD (Inflamatory Bowel Disease), but I never heard of using steroids for FelV positive cats, since their immune systems are already compromised. I will be very interested in hearing about this. Perhaps I missed some of your posts. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause another. It seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least bad. Just read in Mercola about gene editing to change a person's genetic code. There are unwanted edits which can be harmful. To make a decision for our babies, is hard. If I had been able to stop Annie's pain, I think I would have done anything, but at what cost to her. It is like giving steroids to stop knee pain. They dissolve bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it. I found that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees. My blood sugar shot up to 700 for about 3 days. I now take hyaleuronic injections that do not affect my blood sugar. In fact they don't seem to have any side effects. They cost almost twice as much but last for 6 months so the cost comes out the same. I just wish they could talk so they could tell us when and where they hurt, but their instinct is to hide pain so predators will not know they are disabled in any way. ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote: > Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds I was hoping there was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already helpingHOPE it continues to do so)... Wondering if anyone had used larger doses than 5mg BID.. This is a cat that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one never knows I don't want to play " fast and loose" with his other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes... I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and found it very hard to obtain definitive information Probably need to go to original Vet Sources Sure hope kitties have natural endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard to find stuff that will help their pain BTW... I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred) He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the drug had completely screwed up his balance... He acted like a drunk essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....
Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds I was hoping there was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already helpingHOPE it continues to do so)... Wondering if anyone had used larger doses than 5mg BID.. This is a cat that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one never knows I don't want to play " fast and loose" with his other organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want him comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended up screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes... I did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and found it very hard to obtain definitive information Probably need to go to original Vet Sources Sure hope kitties have natural endorphins that keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard to find stuff that will help their pain BTW... I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred) He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and climbing things he had NO business being on ...considering that the drug had completely screwed up his balance... He acted like a drunk essentially until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( which he did most of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in obvious pain for at least 10 hours!!... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Anything that avoids putting things into their mouths is good by me. Even Annie as sick as she was, she fought like a full grown tiger. It was hard to hold her and administer the meds at the same time and I did not know anyone who was willing to help me. Plus, she was is such a state by the time we finished that I felt guilty for doing this to her. Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > Hi Marge > > My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn’t always dependable, and > that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally > prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and > especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed > to him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I > have never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, > I agree with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to > the site you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the > transdermal in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo > Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > > > > For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right > at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the > end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The > injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal. > > But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that > works for Gilbert > > > Margo > > > -Original Message- > >From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM > >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > > > >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to > >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding > >pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having > >to give it orally when the mouth hurts. > > > >Amani > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > >ROBERT CHAPEL > >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > > > >Thanks Sheri... > > > >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( > >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of > >experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was > >plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to > >Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't > >know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... > >Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer > >something injectable or something that could be added to his food The > >only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort > >is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange > >for a longer period of more comfort... > >> > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Hi Margo My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn’t always dependable, and that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed to him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I have never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, I agree with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to the site you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the transdermal in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal. But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works for Gilbert Margo -Original Message- >From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy >they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it >orally when the mouth hurts. > >Amani > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Thanks Sheri... > >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience >with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with >Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it >appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted >to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts >mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or >something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to >medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess >he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of >more comfort... >> > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal. But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works for Gilbert Margo -Original Message- >From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy >they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it >orally when the mouth hurts. > >Amani > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Thanks Sheri... > >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience >with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with >Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it >appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted >to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts >mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or >something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to >medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess >he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of >more comfort... >> > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it orally when the mouth hurts. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. Thanks Sheri... The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort... > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Bob - one thing to also consider is that you might get some reprieve by reducing the size of the tumour or more correctly, the swelling (edema) around the tumour, through the use of predisone/prednisolone and/or other meds like mannitol or decadron. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. Thanks Sheri... The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort... > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Thanks Sheri... The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Follow-up questions for FeLv meds
Good luck to you Molly (and Mia kitty). I lost my Tigger last year. He too was tested and found to be free of FeLV and FIV when he was a tiny kitten. I never had him outside, ever, but at 5-1/2 years he tested positive for FeLV. They said the test is not always accurate the the vaccine is not always effective. Anyway, I do believe Zander’s Protocol would have worked on him had I gotten him on it in time. Precious time was lost when my vets balked at using Winstrol, and then told me they were seeking a source when they had not even looked. Tigger improved so dramatically the testing lab re-did his bloodwork, thinking they had made a mistake. However, he was just too far gone before I got him started. If I ever have an FeLV positive cat again, I will get him on Zander’s Protocol immediately. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Molly Mou Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Follow-up questions for FeLv meds Thank you all for the information for my Mia kitty. I have a few more questions for Amani concerning Zander's Protocol: doxycycline - Should a calculated dose be used based on weight of animal for this or is the dose that you give apply to all cats. Mia is a small girl - weighs 7 lbs. Also, how long should she be taking the meds. Is it the normal 7-10 days to 2 weeks antibiotic regimen or longer? Prednisolone - I assume this is the normal protocol for this drug - a loading dose with tapering doses. winstrol - looks like this is taken until the hematocrit reaches near normal range. Then, should this be continued to maintain a normal level forever? Thank you all again. I am grateful for your intelligent feedback and experience on this subject. I am at a loss since I have never had a FeLV cat in the many decades I've had the privilege of sharing my life with my cat companions. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Follow-up questions for FeLv meds
Hi Molly Zander was less than 7 pounds when he was on this protocol. This is the Doxycycyline dose I used for him. Zander was on his protocol for 10 months or so, until his lab results showed his haematocrit, red cells, white cells and platelets all back in the normal ranges, and holding there. That last part is important, because it took a long time before I was able to taper Zander off the meds and keep his numbers in the normal ranges. For the prednisolone, I did not use a loading dose, but I tapered all the meds, as I was trying to wean him – ensuring that the lab results would let me. With respect to the Winstrol, after the haematology numbers stabilized, I weaned Zander off, and then kept an eagle eye on him. If I sensed his energy had flagged, or his ears, gums or pads looked less pink, I would put him back on the Winstrol for 4 to 6 weeks, and re-tested him or when I was satisfied his colour was okay again. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Molly Mou Sent: February-26-17 11:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Follow-up questions for FeLv meds Thank you all for the information for my Mia kitty. I have a few more questions for Amani concerning Zander's Protocol: doxycycline - Should a calculated dose be used based on weight of animal for this or is the dose that you give apply to all cats. Mia is a small girl - weighs 7 lbs. Also, how long should she be taking the meds. Is it the normal 7-10 days to 2 weeks antibiotic regimen or longer? Prednisolone - I assume this is the normal protocol for this drug - a loading dose with tapering doses. winstrol - looks like this is taken until the hematocrit reaches near normal range. Then, should this be continued to maintain a normal level forever? Thank you all again. I am grateful for your intelligent feedback and experience on this subject. I am at a loss since I have never had a FeLV cat in the many decades I've had the privilege of sharing my life with my cat companions. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Follow-up questions for FeLv meds
Thank you all for the information for my Mia kitty. I have a few more questions for Amani concerning Zander's Protocol: doxycycline - Should a calculated dose be used based on weight of animal for this or is the dose that you give apply to all cats. Mia is a small girl - weighs 7 lbs. Also, how long should she be taking the meds. Is it the normal 7-10 days to 2 weeks antibiotic regimen or longer?Prednisolone - I assume this is the normal protocol for this drug - a loading dose with tapering doses.winstrol - looks like this is taken until the hematocrit reaches near normal range. Then, should this be continued to maintain a normal level forever? Thank you all again. I am grateful for your intelligent feedback and experience on this subject. I am at a loss since I have never had a FeLV cat in the many decades I've had the privilege of sharing my life with my cat companions. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pain meds for arthritis
Glucosomine can take months to work. It has to rebuild. Take a look at Dr. Jean Hofve's page: http://www.facekitty.com/2009/04/arthritis-in-cats-holistic-tre.html for some interesting information, especially Creak-away. I was never happy with the ingredients of GlycoFlex, so never gave it to any cats. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have a positive kitty, Abbey, who is about 5 years old. She is very healthy except for having arthritis in her hip. I believe lack of nutrition as a kitten caused the poor development of her bones. X-rays showed her hip bone was very squared and was likely causing her limp. I started her on GlycoFlexii chewable treats about 6 weeks ago. They have glucosamine and other ingredients for joint support. Her limp hasn't improved, and I think she may be in pain. I am so leary of putting her on pain meds since she will surely have to be on them for life. I want to start her out on the mildest possible meds. I don't think she'll let me pill her either, that's why the soft chewables seemed to be ideal. She doesn't have any teeth either...lost them all shortly after I got her. Have any of you used anything that has no side effects that might work for her? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Thanks Gary! I will keep your email for future reference. It's very informative. I've never actually ordered these equivalents for my cats (or dogs) - only for myself. We have to keep our priorities straight. LOL Thanks again. I appreciate you taking the time to share this information. Cindy - Original Message - From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Gary All of these meds can be purchased online from revival, valley vet, lambriar vet supply, or Thomas labs themselves who market these to all these outlets. Revival animal health has the best selection of different antibiotics and they send a sheet along that tells how to dilute, store, and administer each antibiotic. Or The Plumb Veterinary Drug Handbook is an awesome book to have around and supplies everything we need to know about dosages for all sorts of animals and also drug interactions. Revival sells 16 oz bottles of sorbital syrup to use as a carrier, but I must say that I like your water and Karo syrup idea(-: Clavamox is just one of those that I don't think we'll ever see labeled for fish or birds unfortunately! Excenel, an injectable cephlasporion works very very well and has been labeled for cats now for several years. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:23 AM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Question: Is the Fishmox sold in the same form as Amoxi, pink powder, which is really a pediatric formula, packaged for veterinary usethat's why it tastes as it does because it was never reformulated to appeal to an animal's taste. When I get Amoxi in Mexico, the flavor is slightly different, more palatable for cats, however, the Clavamox is more acidic and pineapple flavor than the one here. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Gary All of these meds can be purchased online from revival, valley vet, lambriar vet supply, or Thomas labs themselves who market these to all these outlets. Revival animal health has the best selection of different antibiotics and they send a sheet along that tells how to dilute, store, and administer each antibiotic. Or The Plumb Veterinary Drug Handbook is an awesome book to have around and supplies everything we need to know about dosages for all sorts of animals and also drug interactions. Revival sells 16 oz bottles of sorbital syrup to use as a carrier, but I must say that I like your water and Karo syrup idea(-: Clavamox is just one of those that I don't think we'll ever see labeled for fish or birds unfortunately! Excenel, an injectable cephlasporion works very very well and has been labeled for cats now for several years. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:23 AM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Natalie No, the fish mox is sold in capsule form in 250 mg per cap or 500 mg. You can dilute with water or the recipe Gary has. There is also the sorbitol syrup. If you mix with water than you have to make sure that you shake it very well and even pull back on your syringe a little and shake it in the syringe immediately before you administer it or the powder will be left behind in your syringe. Not all of it but a little. It is 50 mg every 12 hrs for cats. 25mg for teeny kittens. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Question: Is the Fishmox sold in the same form as Amoxi, pink powder, which is really a pediatric formula, packaged for veterinary usethat's why it tastes as it does because it was never reformulated to appeal to an animal's taste. When I get Amoxi in Mexico, the flavor is slightly different, more palatable for cats, however, the Clavamox is more acidic and pineapple flavor than the one here. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Gary All of these meds can be purchased online from revival, valley vet, lambriar vet supply, or Thomas labs themselves who market these to all these outlets. Revival animal health has the best selection of different antibiotics and they send a sheet along that tells how to dilute, store, and administer each antibiotic. Or The Plumb Veterinary Drug Handbook is an awesome book to have around and supplies everything we need to know about dosages for all sorts of animals and also drug interactions. Revival sells 16 oz bottles of sorbital syrup to use as a carrier, but I must say that I like your water and Karo syrup idea(-: Clavamox is just one of those that I don't think we'll ever see labeled for fish or birds unfortunately! Excenel, an injectable cephlasporion works very very well and has been labeled for cats now for several years. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:23 AM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
tks everyone, this is great infoCAthy luvyasammie --- On Thu, 10/20/11, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 20, 2011, 7:54 AM Thanks Gary! I will keep your email for future reference. It's very informative. I've never actually ordered these equivalents for my cats (or dogs) - only for myself. We have to keep our priorities straight. LOL Thanks again. I appreciate you taking the time to share this information. Cindy - Original Message - From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper than here. Email me off list and I will put you in contact with him. Please, everyone be sure to know the proper dose for cats for any med you are giving and how to get that dose from the product you have. Gary -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Thank you - good information if I run out of the Amoxi that I get in Mexico - we're going in November, and I always stock up. A bottle that makes 5 small ones that one gets from the vet, costs about $12...a little bit more from small local pharmacies, but no need for a prescription. The large outlets with pharmacies like Costco or Sam's Club required prescriptions since last year - and I bet it's a deal with Mexico so that tourists wouldn't buy meds there and spend a lot of in US to fill big Phrma coffers instead. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Natalie No, the fish mox is sold in capsule form in 250 mg per cap or 500 mg. You can dilute with water or the recipe Gary has. There is also the sorbitol syrup. If you mix with water than you have to make sure that you shake it very well and even pull back on your syringe a little and shake it in the syringe immediately before you administer it or the powder will be left behind in your syringe. Not all of it but a little. It is 50 mg every 12 hrs for cats. 25mg for teeny kittens. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Question: Is the Fishmox sold in the same form as Amoxi, pink powder, which is really a pediatric formula, packaged for veterinary usethat's why it tastes as it does because it was never reformulated to appeal to an animal's taste. When I get Amoxi in Mexico, the flavor is slightly different, more palatable for cats, however, the Clavamox is more acidic and pineapple flavor than the one here. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Gary All of these meds can be purchased online from revival, valley vet, lambriar vet supply, or Thomas labs themselves who market these to all these outlets. Revival animal health has the best selection of different antibiotics and they send a sheet along that tells how to dilute, store, and administer each antibiotic. Or The Plumb Veterinary Drug Handbook is an awesome book to have around and supplies everything we need to know about dosages for all sorts of animals and also drug interactions. Revival sells 16 oz bottles of sorbital syrup to use as a carrier, but I must say that I like your water and Karo syrup idea(-: Clavamox is just one of those that I don't think we'll ever see labeled for fish or birds unfortunately! Excenel, an injectable cephlasporion works very very well and has been labeled for cats now for several years. Take care Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 20, 2011, at 1:23 AM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: Cindy, FishMox is NOT the same as Clavamox, FishMox is the same as Amoxicillin. Clavamox is a mixture of amoxicillin and clavauntic(sp) acid which enhances the amoxicillin. FishMox is fine to use, just make sure you know how to dose it for cats, it comes in 250 mg or 500 mg capsules. Dosage for cats is 5-10 mg per pound once or twice a day. Clavamox is available from overseas without a script, but tends to be a bit expensive. The human form of clavamox is called Augmentin and has the same ingredients, but you have to be careful with dosages for cats as they way ingredients are listed tends to be confusing. Tablets of the same dosage vets give use to be sold overseas, but as far as I know, it has been discontinued by every place I know. Doxycycline is and excellent antibiotic and is the antibiotic of choice for many things in the Cornell University Shelter Medicine program. You can buy it without a script as Bird Biotic in 100 mg capsules. dosage for cats is max 4 mg per pound once a day. Both FishMox (amoxicillin) and Bird Biotic (doxycycline) must be mixed with a liquid for proper dosing. Additionally, doxycycline should never be given to a cat in any dry form as it can cause damage in the esophagus. You can use a lot of different liquids to mix these with, but I use 1/3 water and then add 2/3 lite kayro syrup, It helps kill the taste and doesn't go bad. Amoxicillin must be refrigerated after mixing and lasts 10 to 14 days, but it can be frozen for long periods. Doxycycline need not be refrigerated (unless the liquid you use needs refrigeration) and should be discarded after 30 days. Here are a couple of links http://www.1drugstore-online.com and http://www.supersavermeds.com/ If anyone is interested in Zithromax, I get it from a contact in Thailand much cheaper
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks Cindy... I forgot all about FishMox. I ordered some years ago, and need to get a fresh supply. As for Acarexx.. A friend gave me the recipe for this. She rescues wildlife as well as dogs and cats. She buys Ivermectin injectable for cattle and swine. Then she uses two drops mixed with two drops of mineral oil in each ear. She says this works even better than Acarexx. A vet tech gave her this info. On 10-19, Cindy McHugh wrote: Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Great tip. Thanks! Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Thanks Cindy... I forgot all about FishMox. I ordered some years ago, and need to get a fresh supply. As for Acarexx.. A friend gave me the recipe for this. She rescues wildlife as well as dogs and cats. She buys Ivermectin injectable for cattle and swine. Then she uses two drops mixed with two drops of mineral oil in each ear. She says this works even better than Acarexx. A vet tech gave her this info. On 10-19, Cindy McHugh wrote: Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? Some shelters or Humane Societies do sell to rescuers/small shelters for a lesser price w/o a prescription..of course it helps if they know you and what you do (as in my case, I buy abx like clav, Biomox(amoxi) from a nearby Humane Society, also I get Trifectant(desinfectant for cages) from them) Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Wed, 10/19/11, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 8:48 PM Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lorrie, Clavamox and fish mox are the same, both contain amoxicillin, but clavamox contains an extra ingredient, clavulanate potassium. It actually works much better than amoxicillin. Not something that is available OTC like FishMox. If you go to revival animal health they have a whole slew of otc antibiotics by Thomas Labs. They are all human grade simply labeled for fish or birds or whatever(-: Good luck Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Thanks Cindy... I forgot all about FishMox. I ordered some years ago, and need to get a fresh supply. As for Acarexx.. A friend gave me the recipe for this. She rescues wildlife as well as dogs and cats. She buys Ivermectin injectable for cattle and swine. Then she uses two drops mixed with two drops of mineral oil in each ear. She says this works even better than Acarexx. A vet tech gave her this info. On 10-19, Cindy McHugh wrote: Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On 10-16, Susan Hoffman wrote: What are you trying to order? I just did a test order for zithromax at http://www.1drugstore-online.com/ and no prescription required. I've ordered other things from them in the past month and still no prescription. I was trying to order Clavamox and Acarexx. I'll try again. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Vet meds
Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I always buy Amoxicillin and Clavamox in Mexico, although they require prescriptions now - but if you go to small local pharmacies, you can get them without a Rx. Very inexpensive. They have other meds, too, but that's what I need mostly. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Have you ordered recently? They seem to require an RX now, and so do all the other overseas pharmacies I used for years. On 10-16, Susan Hoffman wrote: www.1drugstore-online.com I've been using them for years. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What are you trying to order? I just did a test order for zithromax at http://www.1drugstore-online.com/ and no prescription required. I've ordered other things from them in the past month and still no prescription. --- On Sun, 10/16/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 2:12 PM Have you ordered recently? They seem to require an RX now, and so do all the other overseas pharmacies I used for years. On 10-16, Susan Hoffman wrote: www.1drugstore-online.com I've been using them for years. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet meds for humans
Tee Hee... I will pretend I didn't get these emails. I will also pretend I have never done that kind of thing myself. What else can you do when the Government/FDA works so hard to protect ourselves from ourselves? (also known as make money) Kat On 7/7/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 07-07, Cindy McHugh wrote: Hi Kat, I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. Cindy I can identify with that Cindy. I recently got a bad cat bite and used large dog size Clavamox. It is the exact same thing as human Augmentin, which is the antibiotic recommended for cat bites. My arm was all swollen up after the bite but the Clavamox worked great and I saved money on a doctor bill and the Augmentin. The last time I was bitten it cost me $95. for the doctor and $45. for the Augmentin. Animal and vet meds are usually the same, but have different names, so the trick is knowing which is which, what works, and how much to take for how long. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My mother was a nurse and a sales rep once told her that it is te same, they just put different labels on the bottles. The only tme I went to the dr for a cat bite was ehn Moses, a neighbor's cat came courting my girls who have been spayed. He thought my Harley was moving in on his territory and leaped at him. Of course, I grabbed Harley to save him and I got bit on the back of my hand. Don't think I had to worry about infection, blood was spurtijng all over the place. I let it bleed out a bit, rinsed with peroxide, put a pressue bandage on it and went to the ER. Of course, I had to find Moses and be sure he was okay, but everything turned out well. All they did at the ER was tell me I did a good job of bandaging it, gave me a couple of antibiotic pills and sent me home. Next time, I will go back to peroxide, vitamin E oil and lavendar and save myself the cost of and ER visit and an all night stand in their waiting room. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 07-07, Cindy McHugh wrote: Hi Kat, I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. Cindy I can identify with that Cindy. I recently got a bad cat bite and used large dog size Clavamox. It is the exact same thing as human Augmentin, which is the antibiotic recommended for cat bites. My arm was all swollen up after the bite but the Clavamox worked great and I saved money on a doctor bill and the Augmentin. The last time I was bitten it cost me $95. for the doctor and $45. for the Augmentin. Animal and vet meds are usually the same, but have different names, so the trick is knowing which is which, what works, and how much to take for how long. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On 07-07, Cindy McHugh wrote: Hi Kat, I don't know about buying it in Mexico, but when I had an infected tooth recently, I did some research and ordered Fish Mox online. From everything I read, it's the same stuff that's prescribed by doctors and vets. Oddly enough, if my pets are sick, I won't take a chance and I take them to the vet, but for myself, I'm willing to compromise a bit. Cindy I can identify with that Cindy. I recently got a bad cat bite and used large dog size Clavamox. It is the exact same thing as human Augmentin, which is the antibiotic recommended for cat bites. My arm was all swollen up after the bite but the Clavamox worked great and I saved money on a doctor bill and the Augmentin. The last time I was bitten it cost me $95. for the doctor and $45. for the Augmentin. Animal and vet meds are usually the same, but have different names, so the trick is knowing which is which, what works, and how much to take for how long. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds
Both the UK Stronghold and Revolution say to use it for cats 5 to 15 pounds and both are Selamectin. If you'd feel better you can e-mail them at sa...@vetmeds4pets.co.uk I have total confidence in drugs bought overseas or in Canada. I buy all my prescription drugs that way for myself and my pets. It's the exact same drugs only much cheaper because both these countries have socialized medicine, and the government doesn't allow them to gouge people with outrageous prices like they do here in the USA where drug companies get richer by the day! Lorrie From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 6, 2011 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds Their Revolution says it is for kittens and puppies. Would this dose be ok for adult cats? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I've been ordering the Stronghold from the UK (same as US Revolution) for a couple of years now. I buy the big dog size and measure it out into cat sized doses. Works out to less than $3 per dose for an adult cat. --- On Tue, 6/7/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 3:53 AM Both the UK Stronghold and Revolution say to use it for cats 5 to 15 pounds and both are Selamectin. If you'd feel better you can e-mail them at sa...@vetmeds4pets.co.uk I have total confidence in drugs bought overseas or in Canada. I buy all my prescription drugs that way for myself and my pets. It's the exact same drugs only much cheaper because both these countries have socialized medicine, and the government doesn't allow them to gouge people with outrageous prices like they do here in the USA where drug companies get richer by the day! Lorrie From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 6, 2011 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds Their Revolution says it is for kittens and puppies. Would this dose be ok for adult cats? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Are you using the cat Stronhold, or the dog Stronghold and dosing it down for cats? Should work out to less than $1.60 a dose when dosing down the Stronghold for the largest dogs. Gary -- From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds I've been ordering the Stronghold from the UK (same as US Revolution) for a couple of years now. I buy the big dog size and measure it out into cat sized doses. Works out to less than $3 per dose for an adult cat. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds (Sharyl)
Sharyl, Thanks so much for this site. I ordered two 12 packs of their Revolution called Stronghold in the UK and also two 12 packs of Frontline Plus called Frontline Combo in the UK. I got 48 pipettes for less than half of what it would cost in the USA. Lorrie On 06-03, Sharyl wrote: I buy mine on line from vetmeds4pets. An UK company that sells Frontline Combo which is exactly the same as Frontline Plus just the European version. Shipping is a flat $4.08. You can get a 12 pack for cats for $64.08. http://www.vetmeds4pets.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=17products_id=150osCsid=1d74d06c5731f73aa7a9a85ef391d33d For those that use Revolution they have the Stronghold, the UK version. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds (Sharyl)
Their Revolution says it is for kittens and puppies. Would this dose be ok for adult cats? Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Sharyl, Thanks so much for this site. I ordered two 12 packs of their Revolution called Stronghold in the UK and also two 12 packs of Frontline Plus called Frontline Combo in the UK. I got 48 pipettes for less than half of what it would cost in the USA. Lorrie On 06-03, Sharyl wrote: I buy mine on line from vetmeds4pets. An UK company that sells Frontline Combo which is exactly the same as Frontline Plus just the European version. Shipping is a flat $4.08. You can get a 12 pack for cats for $64.08. http://www.vetmeds4pets.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=17products_id=150osCsid=1d74d06c5731f73aa7a9a85ef391d33d For those that use Revolution they have the Stronghold, the UK version. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds (Sharyl)
I doubt it. If you read the info it is for up to 5 lb. Check out the Stronghold. It is for cats 5-15 lbs. Sharyl From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 6, 2011 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds (Sharyl) Their Revolution says it is for kittens and puppies. Would this dose be ok for adult cats? Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Sharyl, Thanks so much for this site. I ordered two 12 packs of their Revolution called Stronghold in the UK and also two 12 packs of Frontline Plus called Frontline Combo in the UK. I got 48 pipettes for less than half of what it would cost in the USA. Lorrie On 06-03, Sharyl wrote: I buy mine on line from vetmeds4pets. An UK company that sells Frontline Combo which is exactly the same as Frontline Plus just the European version. Shipping is a flat $4.08. You can get a 12 pack for cats for $64.08. http://www.vetmeds4pets.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=17products_id=150osCsid=1d74d06c5731f73aa7a9a85ef391d33d For those that use Revolution they have the Stronghold, the UK version. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ 7 mo Kitten--Test Protocols Nutritional Support, Meds, to boost Immunity?
Good supplements with Vitamin C, Biotin (Nickers), and CoQ10 in powder in capsules (GNC Vegetarian formula) - regular oil in capsules hard to squeeze out all oil from capsules.I give all FIV/FeLV and heart patients 50mg daily. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of M C Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ 7 mo Kitten--Test Protocols Nutritional Support, Meds, to boost Immunity? Dear Kitty Lovers, One of my rescued kittens rested positive for leukemia. She was tested at 4 mos, 5 mos, then 7 mos-- all positive on the ELISA. My vet says if she retests positive on the ELISA in 2 mos, she's definitely positive. Others say we need to do the IFA to get the more accurate results. She looks healthy, but still small for her age, she recently had a mild cold which went away w/Amoxi dosge. At this point, the chances of her fighting off a FeLV infection are not great, right? With that said, if anyone has nutritional supplements, food recommendations, and other ideas on how to provide her with the best immunity support/boosts, please let us know! I keep hearing about Interferon, but I don't know anyone else w/a felv kitten or cat, so any advice would be appreciated! My vet is relatively new to this disease, he only sees the kitties w/feLV when its really gotten bad... Thanks, Sara ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ 7 mo Kitten--Test Protocols Nutritional Support, Meds, to boost Immunity?
I feed my cats Blue Buffalo (it's the only food I've tried that doesn't make my cats vomit) and I put a little Nutri-Cal on their paw one per week. My cats are healthy right now, aside from testing positive, so I haven't gotten into all the other supplements that everyone else uses. On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Good supplements with Vitamin C, Biotin (Nickers), and CoQ10 in powder in capsules (GNC Vegetarian formula) - regular oil in capsules hard to squeeze out all oil from capsules.I give all FIV/FeLV and heart patients 50mg daily. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of M C Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ 7 mo Kitten--Test Protocols Nutritional Support, Meds, to boost Immunity? Dear Kitty Lovers, One of my rescued kittens rested positive for leukemia. She was tested at 4 mos, 5 mos, then 7 mos-- all positive on the ELISA. My vet says if she retests positive on the ELISA in 2 mos, she's definitely positive. Others say we need to do the IFA to get the more accurate results. She looks healthy, but still small for her age, she recently had a mild cold which went away w/Amoxi dosge. At this point, the chances of her fighting off a FeLV infection are not great, right? With that said, if anyone has nutritional supplements, food recommendations, and other ideas on how to provide her with the best immunity support/boosts, please let us know! I keep hearing about Interferon, but I don't know anyone else w/a felv kitten or cat, so any advice would be appreciated! My vet is relatively new to this disease, he only sees the kitties w/feLV when its really gotten bad... Thanks, Sara ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FeLV+ 7 mo Kitten--Test Protocols Nutritional Support, Meds, to boost Immunity?
Dear Kitty Lovers, One of my rescued kittens rested positive for leukemia. She was tested at 4 mos, 5 mos, then 7 mos-- all positive on the ELISA. My vet says if she retests positive on the ELISA in 2 mos, she's definitely positive. Others say we need to do the IFA to get the more accurate results. She looks healthy, but still small for her age, she recently had a mild cold which went away w/Amoxi dosge. At this point, the chances of her fighting off a FeLV infection are not great, right? With that said, if anyone has nutritional supplements, food recommendations, and other ideas on how to provide her with the best immunity support/boosts, please let us know! I keep hearing about Interferon, but I don't know anyone else w/a felv kitten or cat, so any advice would be appreciated! My vet is relatively new to this disease, he only sees the kitties w/feLV when its really gotten bad... Thanks, Sara ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Kris re: Murphy and Rosie's meds so far
Aww Kris-I am so sorry you are going through this and we all have to meet here-Avis' numbers are so similar to Murphy's in July. I am so glad your little terrier has found his soulmate-LOL I'll try and remember the questions I tend to wander: Interferon-we had caught a litter of 5 wild little ferals, (Oct 2008 about 8 wks old) all with snotty faces, some had eyes glued shut with yellow mucous, one had sores inside his mouth (calici virus?)-treated all for URIs, ear mites, fleas, ear and eye infections, worms-you name it-we got them all well after days and nights of taming, cuddling, washing snotty faces and scrubbing butts-original goal was to tame, neuter, vaccinate and adopt out the kitties. Got them their kitten shots-they looked nice and healthy-took them to be tested-all 5 positive. That vet kinda just stared at us and asked what are you going to do with them?-I said we just got them healthy-look at them, purring little fur balls-she said some people opted to euthanize FeLV+ cats and you don't want them around non FeLV cats...well, I didn't know about the disease-we went home and rather than adopt them out and take a chance they be let outdoors, kept them-I guess I showed her LOL. Got them all neutered. We found a nice vet clinic-cats only and got them on the Interferon when they were about 4-5 months old. It was 1cc once a day. With their bad immune systems, someone was always sick-we had a constant prescription for Zithromax at the Walmart pharmacy-we'd get the bigger bottle and add our own water at home so we could mix up 1/2 at a time as needed-the kittens got really used to the strawberry flavor! Then we found Murphy in with the feral colony the kittens came from-he was such a sweet kitty-fluffy tuxedo with all those toes! 7 on the fronts, he looked like he was wearing ov-gloves. Unfortunately we left him there while we posted photo ads in the paper and on-line-surely someone was missing him-a month, not one call. We decided to take him to clinic and get neutered and vaccinated to adopt out-we got the call, he was positive and they were going to euthanize him unless I wanted to add him to my gang. So being Murphy's law-he got a name! The 4 brothers died a month apart, beginning when Buster was 8 months old-the anemia hits so fast. One day he was playing hard-somersaults, running-2 days later he was at the vet with PCV of 8. The second one, Jack we rushed to UC Davis in the middle of the night-we opted to try a transfusion-he had a bad reaction during the procedure, we told them to stop and let him go to his brother. You know, we took the remaining 4 to UC Davis, thinking they would be more advanced and have something great to treat them-got all the blood work done and exams. Nothing more to tell us than we had already been learning. I was so desperate to find help.Then Oni, he became anemic and died at home in my son's arms-horrible.The last was almost a year old when he became anemic-had trouble breathing and was crying out-he went to Davis at midnight, when they gave him the shot, fluid bubbled out of his nose. Anemia seems to hit so darn quickly. That was Aug 09. After finding some articles on line regarding the peak anti viral qualities of Interferon (Alpha) not lasting 24 hours, we discussed with our vet the 2x a day and she did not think it would hurt them. We found the articles on LTCI and took them to our vet and asked her to order it for us. She spoke with their vets and thought it may help boost their immune systems. We began in Sept 09 with once a week for a month, then every 2 weeks for a month, then monthly etc. We kept tabs on their CBCs and they seemed to be doing well, so I decided to go to 6 and 8 weeks on the injections. Then Murphy became anemic in July and he actually, 2 weeks after beginning the Procrit, stopped eating and moving-I was using a little syringe to give him canned AD and strained baby food (chicken and ham). I'd give him a syringe full (only 3cc) of water every half hour or so. On the 3rd or 4th day he became more alert and began to eat on his own but I'd still give him water now and then to keep him hydrated. It takes time to get the body working again-I do not know for sure how the Procrit (Epogen) works but I think the kidneys have a role in RBC production and it stimulates the kidneys to produce that element (a hormone?? I don't know) in case the kidneys have quit making it. He is not CRF as far as I know and the fact that we can reduce the Procrit so quickly seems to point to his kidneys functioning ok. This is a horrible disease-your babies can be sleek, shiny pictures of health and energy one day and be on death's door the next-I have never cried so much in my lifeand I was not really a cat person...I guess I is one now! LOL. Rosie is now a year and 2 months-she is the survivor of the litter, a small sleek tabby-very hyper-busy and Murphy is about 2 months older-the polar
Re: [Felvtalk] My thanks and also a list of Sammy's meds
Helene, Thanks very much for the list of Meds. I will also keep this for when I may need it for my vet. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Helene R. Hand Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] My thanks and also a list of Sammy's meds Thank you, Gary, and Sue, for the geriatric websites!!! My friend, April, is so grateful for the information!! Susan, below is a list of Sam's maintenance meds, copied from my records -po is by mouth, qd is daily, and sc is subcutaneously.nursing shorthand. I believe that the interferon made the real difference. The great thing was, people on the list were the ones who knew about the drugs that worked! My vet did not, and admitted it, and was happy to prescribe what I told him should work. Also, there was (and still is) a compounding pharmacy not too far away which made up the interferon solution. I also have a pet drug reference book which tells you about the drugs, interactions, usage, etc. That is good to have, anyhow. Although there's Google, of course. I hope this helps!! Helene He is on maintenance meds of interferon 1 cc po -7 days on-7 days off, pettinic 2 cc po qd, winstrol 2 mg po qd, taurine 250 mg po qd, . procrit .0 7 cc s.c. 1x wk, vit B12 .25cc s.c. 1 x per wk. Continue love, treatment, and prayers as of August, 2002. Keep paws and fingers crossed that we can at least keep this horrible disease at bay for a few more years-and that treatment for all felv+ kitties becomes more well-known and standardized. Remember that there is hope!!! I am so grateful for my FELV list- their words of wisdom and love and caring have helped me devise a treatment plan which no vet could do. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] For anyone interested in getting meds compounded into treats
Kelley - re: magazine subscriptions. do you really get 40% of subscription price? if so, have 4 to renew soon. dorils Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: This is where we get Tiffany's medication. Their specialty is compounding meds into treats. http://www.bcpvetpharm.com Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] For anyone interested in getting meds compounded into treats
Yes, we do! One month I got a check for $138 from the company and the prices are GREAT! Thanks for asking:) On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Kelley - re: magazine subscriptions. do you really get 40% of subscription price? if so, have 4 to renew soon. dorils Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: This is where we get Tiffany's medication. Their specialty is compounding meds into treats. http://www.bcpvetpharm.com Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] For anyone interested in getting meds compounded into treats
This is where we get Tiffany's medication. Their specialty is compounding meds into treats. http://www.bcpvetpharm.com Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Freezing meds.....
but with what we get, freezing is easy and doesn't take up much freezer space - I've been doing it for a while, but haven't bought any in many months. A friend just got some, I'll have to check the math with her. I also don't see why the freezing would be a problem, but any thoughts/ opinion are appreciated. Gloria On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:24 PM, gary wrote: Personally, I don't see why the amount of dilution should make any difference in whether you can freeze it or not, but if you took a 3 million unit vial and diluted it to 30 units per ml, it would take up quite a lot of freezer space as you would have one thousand, 100 ml containers to freeze and store instead of 1000, one ml containers. There is certainly plenty of CMA in the medical field. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Freezing meds. Gary, we all count on you for info. on our vet meds, so thanks. As for freezing stuff... I freeze all my meds, vet meds and human meds. I've had human meds in the freezer as long as ten years and they still work fine. I've also had Clavamox in the freezer for two years past the expiration date and it works fine. I've asked several pharmacists about freezing meds, and they all say not to do it, BUT I wonder if they have to say this to cover their butts just in case. There is a lot of CMA in the medical field. What are your thoughts on this? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Freezing meds.....
Gary, we all count on you for info. on our vet meds, so thanks. As for freezing stuff... I freeze all my meds, vet meds and human meds. I've had human meds in the freezer as long as ten years and they still work fine. I've also had Clavamox in the freezer for two years past the expiration date and it works fine. I've asked several pharmacists about freezing meds, and they all say not to do it, BUT I wonder if they have to say this to cover their butts just in case. There is a lot of CMA in the medical field. What are your thoughts on this? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Freezing meds.....
Personally, I don't see why the amount of dilution should make any difference in whether you can freeze it or not, but if you took a 3 million unit vial and diluted it to 30 units per ml, it would take up quite a lot of freezer space as you would have one thousand, 100 ml containers to freeze and store instead of 1000, one ml containers. There is certainly plenty of CMA in the medical field. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Freezing meds. Gary, we all count on you for info. on our vet meds, so thanks. As for freezing stuff... I freeze all my meds, vet meds and human meds. I've had human meds in the freezer as long as ten years and they still work fine. I've also had Clavamox in the freezer for two years past the expiration date and it works fine. I've asked several pharmacists about freezing meds, and they all say not to do it, BUT I wonder if they have to say this to cover their butts just in case. There is a lot of CMA in the medical field. What are your thoughts on this? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Freezing meds.....
i just wrote to joel, whom many of you know from FIV stuff--he tends to know medical/scientific finepoints like this, so i'll let you all know what he has to say. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Transdermal meds/compounded treats ~ contact info
We give Isabella's pred and tramadal via transdermal application to the ear. Franck's Lab.(800) 328-7060. I give Lucy her benazapril compounded into a chicken flavored treat (not a pill pocket but the med is mixed into a treat by the pharmacy). She eats it with her breakfast. BCP Veterinary Pharmacy. www.bcpvetpharm.com 800-481-1729 No stress for anyone. I love transdermal and compounded treats! Laurie - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:35 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties You can also get some meds compounded transdermally and put them in the ear. I
Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
what flea med did you use? i would get to the vet. I almost poisoned one of my cats years ago with otc ear mite drops t wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I put flea medication on my cat's back 2-3 weeks ago. We left for a short vacation (4 days) and when we returned, she had this big sore on her back about the size of a quarter. The hair and top layers of skin were gone, and it was just raw skin, so I started spraying Bactine on it. After a few days of that, I could tell it was infected, so I put her on antibiotics (Clavamox), and the infection (pus) went away. I also started putting topical antibiotics on it. But even after several days of this, it is still not scabbing over! I am fairly sure it's a reaction to the flea meds, because my dog had the same reaction a few weeks before, but Bactine worked great on her. Although, it could be a spider bite or something else. Any ideas on what I can do for her now or what might be causing it? What about liquid skin? Has anyone used the human formula on their cats? I know it's not ringworm. I know what that looks like and it's not this! I can send a pic to anyone if you think you might be able to help by looking at the sore. I don't want to wrap gauze around her b/c she will just tear it off. Thanks guys! Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
I can't remember where I read it, (thinking it was in Kittens for Dummies, which I can't find right now), but I know I've read that products containing lidocaine should not be used on cats. Bactine contains lidocaine. Can't remember what the side-effect was with cats, anyone else out there have the Kittens book handy? Regards, Beth On 8/3/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I put flea medication on my cat's back 2-3 weeks ago. We left for a short vacation (4 days) and when we returned, she had this big sore on her back about the size of a quarter. The hair and top layers of skin were gone, and it was just raw skin, so I started spraying Bactine on it. After a few days of that, I could tell it was infected, so I put her on antibiotics (Clavamox), and the infection (pus) went away. I also started putting topical antibiotics on it. But even after several days of this, it is still not scabbing over! I am fairly sure it's a reaction to the flea meds, because my dog had the same reaction a few weeks before, but Bactine worked great on her. Although, it could be a spider bite or something else. Any ideas on what I can do for her now or what might be causing it? What about liquid skin? Has anyone used the human formula on their cats? I know it's not ringworm. I know what that looks like and it's not this! I can send a pic to anyone if you think you might be able to help by looking at the sore. I don't want to wrap gauze around her b/c she will just tear it off. Thanks guys! Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
Not saying it is always a problem. He just won't use them. - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back;reaction to flea meds? It worked great w/ my cat, it was every 2 weeks for about a month? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 5:05 PM Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds? If I may, my vet and I don't like the steroid injections. He says they give the body many more times med than the kitty can absorb AND if there is a bad reaction, no way to change the dose or discontinue. Daily pred is preferred by him as doseage can be adjusted if needed. Just my 2 cents. Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back;reaction to flea meds? Soudns like she needs a cortisone shot. That happened to my little Pugsley, he has very tender skin. A flamepoint w/ pink tender skin. The shot helped out a lot. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds? Hi guys, I put flea medication on my cat's back 2-3 weeks ago. We left for a short vacation (4 days) and when we returned, she had this big sore on her back about the size of a quarter. The hair and top layers of skin were gone, and it was just raw skin, so I started spraying Bactine on it. After a few days of that, I could tell it was infected, so I put her on antibiotics (Clavamox), and the infection (pus) went away. I also started putting topical antibiotics on it. But even after several days of this, it is still not scabbing over! I am fairly sure it's a reaction to the flea meds, because my dog had the same reaction a few weeks before, but Bactine worked great on her. Although, it could be a spider bite or something else. Any ideas on what I can do for her now or what might be causing it? What about liquid skin? Has anyone used the human formula on their cats? I know it's not ringworm. I know what that looks like and it's not this! I can send a pic to anyone if you think you might be able to help by looking at the sore. I don't want to wrap gauze around her b/c she will just tear it off. Thanks guys! Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
Dr smith uses it as a very last resort. When Pugsley had his horrible open sore on the back of his neck, we tried aloe jell, vitamin e cream dermavet to start. When that didn't work, ( I had to call him daily with reports) that's when he brought out the big gun, the cortisone shot. And it improved, but he gave him one more shot 2 weeks later, which did the trick. Pugsley has no immune system, being from the Frankenbreeder house as a tiny kitten and trapped in a house fire. Covered in severe ringworm w/ advanced URI. And potentially exposed to felv to boot. But he is better now, being the little bedwetter that he is... :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds? Not saying it is always a problem. He just won't use them. - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back;reaction to flea meds? It worked great w/ my cat, it was every 2 weeks for about a month? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
I don't know if the sore is like the ones Dixie gets or not but Baytril cream applied a couple of times a day really works on them. My vets don't want to use steroids. One recommended Calendula lotion for itching. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 10:46 AM Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back;reaction to flea meds? Dr smith uses it as a very last resort. When Pugsley had his horrible open sore on the back of his neck, we tried aloe jell, vitamin e cream dermavet to start. When that didn't work, ( I had to call him daily with reports) that's when he brought out the big gun, the cortisone shot. And it improved, but he gave him one more shot 2 weeks later, which did the trick. Pugsley has no immune system, being from the Frankenbreeder house as a tiny kitten and trapped in a house fire. Covered in severe ringworm w/ advanced URI. And potentially exposed to felv to boot. But he is better now, being the little bedwetter that he is... :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds? Not saying it is always a problem. He just won't use them. - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:50 PM Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back;reaction to flea meds? It worked great w/ my cat, it was every 2 weeks for about a month? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
RE: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
My Momma cat has this problem as well only it is much bigger than a quarter. We tried the shot and many other things, but the main problem we have is that when it is healing, it itches and she scratches. We have resorted to putting antibiotic cream on the spot with a piece of gauze covering the area and then wrapping a self-adhesive bandage (like an ace bandage) around her body to keep the antibiotic in place and prevent more damage from scratching. We change the bandage completely during the different stages of healing: scabs, new skin, hair growth. This works as long as we don't take the bandages off until she is completely healed and her hair is grown back. Chris No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM
Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
Thanks Chris! It is a bit better. I may have to go get some of that gauze though. Although, I'm sure she won't like it one bit...lol! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2007 6:38:21 PM Subject: RE: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds? My Momma cat has this problem as well only it is much bigger than a quarter. We tried the shot and many other things, but the main problem we have is that when it is healing, it itches and she scratches. We have resorted to putting antibiotic cream on the spot with a piece of gauze covering the area and then wrapping a self-adhesive bandage (like an ace bandage) around her body to keep the antibiotic in place and prevent more damage from scratching. We change the bandage completely during the different stages of healing: scabs, new skin, hair growth. This works as long as we don't take the bandages off until she is completely healed and her hair is grown back. Chris No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
RE: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
Momma always walks funny for the first few minutes and then when she realizes that we won't take it off, she goes back to normal. It is always fun watching her act. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds? Thanks Chris! It is a bit better. I may have to go get some of that gauze though. Although, I'm sure she won't like it one bit...lol! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2007 6:38:21 PM Subject: RE: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds? My Momma cat has this problem as well only it is much bigger than a quarter. We tried the shot and many other things, but the main problem we have is that when it is healing, it itches and she scratches. We have resorted to putting antibiotic cream on the spot with a piece of gauze covering the area and then wrapping a self-adhesive bandage (like an ace bandage) around her body to keep the antibiotic in place and prevent more damage from scratching. We change the bandage completely during the different stages of healing: scabs, new skin, hair growth. This works as long as we don't take the bandages off until she is completely healed and her hair is grown back. Chris No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.4/935 - Release Date: 8/3/2007 5:46 PM
A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
Hi guys, I put flea medication on my cat's back 2-3 weeks ago. We left for a short vacation (4 days) and when we returned, she had this big sore on her back about the size of a quarter. The hair and top layers of skin were gone, and it was just raw skin, so I started spraying Bactine on it. After a few days of that, I could tell it was infected, so I put her on antibiotics (Clavamox), and the infection (pus) went away. I also started putting topical antibiotics on it. But even after several days of this, it is still not scabbing over! I am fairly sure it's a reaction to the flea meds, because my dog had the same reaction a few weeks before, but Bactine worked great on her. Although, it could be a spider bite or something else. Any ideas on what I can do for her now or what might be causing it? What about liquid skin? Has anyone used the human formula on their cats? I know it's not ringworm. I know what that looks like and it's not this! I can send a pic to anyone if you think you might be able to help by looking at the sore. I don't want to wrap gauze around her b/c she will just tear it off. Thanks guys! Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
RE: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
Wendy: My mom's cat is a very allergic cat. When I first found her outside, all the fur on her head was gone and she had scabs on her head on the exposed skin- she looked like hell. No one was willing to help us (not even the Humane Society!) because they thought she had mange. Turns out, she just had fleas and she is very allergic to fleas (more so than most cats). One flea bite and she can flare up. All we needed was Advantage- to keep the fleas from even biting her- and antibiotics for a few weeks (just in case). Everyone was shocked when all the fur on her head grew back and she became a beautiful, all white cat However, she clearly still suffers from seasonal allergies like a person. In the spring, her eyes get really weepy and red and the Advantage really seems to help her with her overall allergies. Sometimes she will get what the Vet calls "hot spots"- which sound a lot like what you are describing. The fur is missing and it looks like raw skin and she gets obsessive compulsive about licking at it. When she got her first one a while ago, the Vet gave us a medication- but I can't remember the name of it???!!! It stays in the refrig and it's topical. We apply to it the hot spot with a cotton pad a few times a day when she has an active hot spot and it works like a charm. We've never had a serious hot spot issue since the Vet gave us this medication. I would recommend you take the cat to the Vet to get confirmation that it is indeed a "hot spot"- which actually are pretty common in cats- and get this topical med for your cat. It clears up Tally's hot spots right away. Unfortunately, with allergic skin reactions, it's really hard to know what the source was...whether it was the flea med, or even the fleas itself causing a skin reaction, or a spider bite, etc.. Either way, I recommend the Vet having a look at it if this is the first time THIS cat has experienced something like this. -Caroline From:wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?Date:Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:06:38 -0700 (PDT)Hi guys,I put flea medication on my cat's back 2-3 weeks ago.We left for a short vacation (4 days) and when we returned, she had this big sore on her back about the size of a quarter.The hair and top layers of skin were gone, and it was just raw skin, so I started spraying Bactine on it.After a few days of that, I could tell it was infected, so I put her on antibiotics (Clavamox), and the infection (pus) went away.I also started putting topical antibiotics on it.But even after several days of this, it is still not scabbing over!I am fairly sure it's a reaction to the flea meds, because my dog had the same reaction a few weeks before, but Bactine worked great on her.Although, it could be a spider bite or something else.Any ideas on what I can do for her now or what might be causing it?What about liquid skin?Has anyone used the human formula on their cats?I know it's not ringworm.I know what that looks like and it's not this!I can send apic to anyone if you think you might be able to help by looking at the sore.I don't want to wrap gauze around her b/c she will just tear it off.Thanks guys!Thanks,:)Wendy"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~Ready for the edge of your seat?Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.http://tv.yahoo.com/ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place!
Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
I used Advantage on Stretch, but now I think it might have been expired. Also, I used the Hartz Gold, or something like that, from Walmart, on my dog. Won't do that again. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 12:00:31 PM Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds? What type of flea medication did you use? wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I put flea medication on my cat's back 2-3 weeks ago. We left for a short vacation (4 days) and when we returned, she had this big sore on her back about the size of a quarter. The hair and top layers of skin were gone, and it was just raw skin, so I started spraying Bactine on it. After a few days of that, I could tell it was infected, so I put her on antibiotics (Clavamox), and the infection (pus) went away. I also started putting topical antibiotics on it. But even after several days of this, it is still not scabbing over! I am fairly sure it's a reaction to the flea meds, because my dog had the same reaction a few weeks before, but Bactine worked great on her. Although, it could be a spider bite or something else. Any ideas on what I can do for her now or what might be causing it? What about liquid skin? Has anyone used the human formula on their cats? I know it's not ringworm. I know what that looks like and it's not this! I can send a pic to anyone if you think you might be able to help by looking at the sore. I don't want to wrap gauze around her b/c she will just tear it off. Thanks guys! Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
What type of flea medication did you use? wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I put flea medication on my cat's back 2-3 weeks ago. We left for a short vacation (4 days) and when we returned, she had this big sore on her back about the size of a quarter. The hair and top layers of skin were gone, and it was just raw skin, so I started spraying Bactine on it. After a few days of that, I could tell it was infected, so I put her on antibiotics (Clavamox), and the infection (pus) went away. I also started putting topical antibiotics on it. But even after several days of this, it is still not scabbing over! I am fairly sure it's a reaction to the flea meds, because my dog had the same reaction a few weeks before, but Bactine worked great on her. Although, it could be a spider bite or something else. Any ideas on what I can do for her now or what might be causing it? What about liquid skin? Has anyone used the human formula on their cats? I know it's not ringworm. I know what that looks like and it's not this! I can send a pic to anyone if you think you might be able to help by looking at the sore. I don't want to wrap gauze around her b/c she will just tear it off. Thanks guys! Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
Soudns like she needs a cortisone shot. That happened to my little Pugsley, he has very tender skin. A flamepoint w/ pink tender skin. The shot helped out a lot. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds? Hi guys, I put flea medication on my cat's back 2-3 weeks ago. We left for a short vacation (4 days) and when we returned, she had this big sore on her back about the size of a quarter. The hair and top layers of skin were gone, and it was just raw skin, so I started spraying Bactine on it. After a few days of that, I could tell it was infected, so I put her on antibiotics (Clavamox), and the infection (pus) went away. I also started putting topical antibiotics on it. But even after several days of this, it is still not scabbing over! I am fairly sure it's a reaction to the flea meds, because my dog had the same reaction a few weeks before, but Bactine worked great on her. Although, it could be a spider bite or something else. Any ideas on what I can do for her now or what might be causing it? What about liquid skin? Has anyone used the human formula on their cats? I know it's not ringworm. I know what that looks like and it's not this! I can send a pic to anyone if you think you might be able to help by looking at the sore. I don't want to wrap gauze around her b/c she will just tear it off. Thanks guys! Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds?
If I may, my vet and I don't like the steroid injections. He says they give the body many more times med than the kitty can absorb AND if there is a bad reaction, no way to change the dose or discontinue. Daily pred is preferred by him as doseage can be adjusted if needed. Just my 2 cents. Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back;reaction to flea meds? Soudns like she needs a cortisone shot. That happened to my little Pugsley, he has very tender skin. A flamepoint w/ pink tender skin. The shot helped out a lot. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:06 AM Subject: A bit OT: Need help with sore on kitty's back; reaction to flea meds? Hi guys, I put flea medication on my cat's back 2-3 weeks ago. We left for a short vacation (4 days) and when we returned, she had this big sore on her back about the size of a quarter. The hair and top layers of skin were gone, and it was just raw skin, so I started spraying Bactine on it. After a few days of that, I could tell it was infected, so I put her on antibiotics (Clavamox), and the infection (pus) went away. I also started putting topical antibiotics on it. But even after several days of this, it is still not scabbing over! I am fairly sure it's a reaction to the flea meds, because my dog had the same reaction a few weeks before, but Bactine worked great on her. Although, it could be a spider bite or something else. Any ideas on what I can do for her now or what might be causing it? What about liquid skin? Has anyone used the human formula on their cats? I know it's not ringworm. I know what that looks like and it's not this! I can send a pic to anyone if you think you might be able to help by looking at the sore. I don't want to wrap gauze around her b/c she will just tear it off. Thanks guys! Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: kitty not eating - Please do not attempt to self prescribe meds
Mary, There have been concerns raised with the use of valium for kitties. I've used the appetite stimulant Cyproheptadine made into a transdermal gel to be applied to the inside tip of a cat's ear. It's much less stressful to administer a drug in this way than forcing them to ingest it. I strongly suggest that you speak to your vet about the different options that would be appropriate in helping Cakooie begin eating and for further diagnostic/treatment plans. I would also suggest that you ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified Internist specialized in the care of cats. While we on the list are well meaning in offering suggestions that might benefit you and your cat, you need to seek the advice of a professional who will be better able to advise you on protocols and medications indicated. Print out our emails and archive suggestions and arm yourself with questions on how to best help your Cakooie. Please make the appointment asap. Nina
Re: kitty not eating - Please do not attempt to self prescribe meds
I totally agree with Nina on this seek your Vet's opinion and options on this. I have very good luck using Cyproheptadine as well on kitties that weren't not eating. In a message dated 4/24/2007 12:43:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mary, There have been concerns raised with the use of valium for kitties. I've used the appetite stimulant Cyproheptadine made into a transdermal gel to be applied to the inside tip of a cat's ear. It's much less stressful to administer a drug in this way than forcing them to ingest it. I strongly suggest that you speak to your vet about the different options that would be appropriate in helping Cakooie begin eating and for further diagnostic/treatment plans. I would also suggest that you ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified Internist specialized in the care of cats. While we on the list are well meaning in offering suggestions that might benefit you and your cat, you need to seek the advice of a professional who will be better able to advise you on protocols and medications indicated. Print out our emails and archive suggestions and arm yourself with questions on how to best help your Cakooie. Please make the appointment asap. Nina Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: kitty not eating - Please do not attempt to self prescribe meds
thanks, nina, for pointing out this very VITAL point. we are NOT vets, and all we can offer are opinions, suggestions on what has worked for us, and what our vets have recommended for our cats, based upon their specific conditions. no email list should ever be a substitute for a good working relationship with a veterinary professional. and as belinda and some of us have said many times--if you don't trust your vet, or don't feel that your vet treats you with respect or listens to your concerns or is willing to learn, GET A NEW VET. you are the one paying the bills, you are the employer, and you are the one responsible for the health and well-being of the critters under your care. there are phenomenal vets out there, and there's no reason to stay with ones who won't work with you, unless you're in a location where you literally have no choice--and that doesn't happen all that often. speaking of which, please go to www.adopt.bemikitties.com and PUT IN YOUR VET'S INFO, so newcomers moving to your town know who to go see! MC On 4/24/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary, There have been concerns raised with the use of valium for kitties. I've used the appetite stimulant Cyproheptadine made into a transdermal gel to be applied to the inside tip of a cat's ear. It's much less stressful to administer a drug in this way than forcing them to ingest it. I strongly suggest that you speak to your vet about the different options that would be appropriate in helping Cakooie begin eating and for further diagnostic/treatment plans. I would also suggest that you ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified Internist specialized in the care of cats. While we on the list are well meaning in offering suggestions that might benefit you and your cat, you need to seek the advice of a professional who will be better able to advise you on protocols and medications indicated. Print out our emails and archive suggestions and arm yourself with questions on how to best help your Cakooie. Please make the appointment asap. Nina -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: kitty not eating - Please do not attempt to self prescribe meds
At 12:48 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote: I have also had great luck with cyproheptadine and the pil is small and does not have a bad taste so i crush it with a bit of baby food and syringe it that way, but I must also agree with Nina that you ned vet advice. I also do sub q fluids so I can save syringe feeding for nutrition and am sure they are well hydrated, but check with a vet. Kelly I totally agree with Nina on this seek your Vet's opinion and options on this. I have very good luck using Cyproheptadine as well on kitties that weren't not eating. In a message dated 4/24/2007 12:43:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mary, There have been concerns raised with the use of valium for kitties. I've used the appetite stimulant Cyproheptadine made into a transdermal gel to be applied to the inside tip of a cat's ear. It's much less stressful to administer a drug in this way than forcing them to ingest it. I strongly suggest that you speak to your vet about the different options that would be appropriate in helping Cakooie begin eating and for further diagnostic/treatment plans. I would also suggest that you ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified Internist specialized in the care of cats. While we on the list are well meaning in offering suggestions that might benefit you and your cat, you need to seek the advice of a professional who will be better able to advise you on protocols and medications indicated. Print out our emails and archive suggestions and arm yourself with questions on how to best help your Cakooie. Please make the appointment asap. Nina Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503AOL.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.10/774 - Release Date: 4/23/2007 5:26 PM
Re: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)--ketoprofen in dogs
I have to second that caution, only it was ME that ended up in the ER with a low grade fever and nasty gastritis. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2006 8:42:31 PM Subject: Re: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)--ketoprofen in dogs Hi Nina! I just wanted to caution the use of ketoprofen in dogs...it's rare, but severe ulceration of the GI tract can occur as a side effect of the drug...we actually had it happen at the clinic. A young dog died as a result of a severe allergic reaction to ketoprofen...hence we've trashed our remaining supply of the drug and will no longer be using it as a pain reliever. Like I said, it's *rare* to witness such a severe allergic reaction...but I assisted on the necropsy of this dog and couldn't believe what I saw! :( But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 3, 2006 5:28 pm Subject: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi Sally, I just wanted to comment on getting the antibiotic ointment in Junior's eye... If you put a line of the ointment on your finger and gently apply it to his closed eye, (on the line where his eyelids meet), at least some will go in his eye and it should help at least keep his eye moist. I didn't see you comment on Michelle's post about steriods. Have you been to a specialist for his eye? Maybe your vet could just consult with an ophthalmologist over the phone to see what they think of the situation? Speaking of old fashioned pain meds... I have used Ketofen syrup for dogs. It doesn't taste bad, slight medicine taste, but not bitter and the the dosage, (at least for small dogs), is small enough that I'm betting it could be hidden in some baby food, or easily squirted in his mouth. I did a quick search on it to see if it can be given to cats and came up with the following site on pain control for dogs and cats: http://www.2ndchance.info/pain.htm Nina Sally wrote: I knew that I skipped a day on the aspirin.. also the vet said the anti-inflammatory properties were good for his eye. He ate more today...good sign I hope. sally Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited
RE: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)
Hi Nina The situation has been a bit overwhelming for me. As this was the other vet in the office we saw Friday. I did not feel too comfortable telling him what to prescribe. I told him about the zithromax and he prescribed something else. He is a good vet. He did not prescribe for the eye because I was not able to get anything in his eye at the time. Your method was what I was doing until the eye became too painful for me to even touch that near it. I was able to use the antibiotic ointment this AM. I still need to talk to his regular vet about the monthly injections of immunoregulin and if she is willing to do the oral low dose alferon. I had hoped to see her Friday but she had a conference to attend. Junior is about the same some days seem better than others. He still eats dry food. I had not seen him do that for days. I know there is no magic bullet for FeLV but I was hoping for a better outcome than his being sick all the time. As for the steroids are you speaking about for his eye? I think I can discuss that with Dr Staunton next time I see or speak with her. I will also check on the ketophen. Thanks Sally Hi Sally, I just wanted to comment on getting the antibiotic ointment in Junior's eye... If you put a line of the ointment on your finger and gently apply it to his closed eye, (on the line where his eyelids meet), at least some will go in his eye and it should help at least keep his eye moist. I didn't see you comment on Michelle's post about steriods. Have you been to a specialist for his eye? Maybe your vet could just consult with an ophthalmologist over the phone to see what they think of the situation? Speaking of old fashioned pain meds... I have used Ketofen syrup for dogs. It doesn't taste bad, slight medicine taste, but not bitter and the the dosage, (at least for small dogs), is small enough that I'm betting it could be hidden in some baby food, or easily squirted in his mouth. I did a quick search on it to see if it can be given to cats and came up with the following site on pain control for dogs and cats: http://www.2ndchance.info/pain.htm Nina Sally wrote: I knew that I skipped a day on the aspirin.. also the vet said the anti-inflammatory properties were good for his eye. He ate more today.good sign I hope. sally
Re: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)
Yes, uveitis is treated with topical steroids in the eye. Prednisolone drops is what is usually used; sometimes atropine is used, I think for pain in the eye. See Kerry's email about Bandy's course on these two eye drops (drops can be easier to get in than ointment, too). I also needed to use steroids with both Pepsi and Buddy when they had uveitis. Uveitis is not treated just with antibiotics. It is an inflammation that needs to be taken down with steroids. The only time not to use topical steroids for uveitis is if there is also ulceration of the eye, which the vet needs to check. Michelle In a message dated 12/4/2006 6:48:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the steroids are you speaking about for his eye? I think I can discuss that with Dr Staunton next time I see or speak with her. I will also check on the ketophen.
RE: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)
Hi Michelle I will see if I can reach Junior's regular Vet tomorrow, she was at a conference last Friday. There is less pain today, but it is still closed. I just want him to fell better. Thanks Sally _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis) Yes, uveitis is treated with topical steroids in the eye. Prednisolone drops is what is usually used; sometimes atropine is used, I think for pain in the eye. See Kerry's email about Bandy's course on these two eye drops (drops can be easier to get in than ointment, too). I also needed to use steroids with both Pepsi and Buddy when they had uveitis. Uveitis is not treated just with antibiotics. It is an inflammation that needs to be taken down with steroids. The only time not to use topical steroids for uveitis is if there is also ulceration of the eye, which the vet needs to check. Michelle In a message dated 12/4/2006 6:48:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for the steroids are you speaking about for his eye? I think I can discuss that with Dr Staunton next time I see or speak with her. I will also check on the ketophen.
Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)
Hi Sally, I just wanted to comment on getting the antibiotic ointment in Junior's eye... If you put a line of the ointment on your finger and gently apply it to his closed eye, (on the line where his eyelids meet), at least some will go in his eye and it should help at least keep his eye moist. I didn't see you comment on Michelle's post about steriods. Have you been to a specialist for his eye? Maybe your vet could just consult with an ophthalmologist over the phone to see what they think of the situation? Speaking of old fashioned pain meds... I have used Ketofen syrup for dogs. It doesn't taste bad, slight medicine taste, but not bitter and the the dosage, (at least for small dogs), is small enough that I'm betting it could be hidden in some baby food, or easily squirted in his mouth. I did a quick search on it to see if it can be given to cats and came up with the following site on pain control for dogs and cats: http://www.2ndchance.info/pain.htm Nina Sally wrote: I knew that I skipped a day on the aspirin.. also the vet said the anti-inflammatory properties were good for his eye. He ate more today...good sign I hope. sally
Re: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis)--ketoprofen in dogs
Hi Nina! I just wanted to caution the use of ketoprofen in dogs...it's rare, but severe ulceration of the GI tract can occur as a side effect of the drug...we actually had it happen at the clinic. A young dog died as a result of a severe allergic reaction to ketoprofen...hence we've trashed our remaining supply of the drug and will no longer be using it as a pain reliever. Like I said, it's *rare* to witness such a severe allergic reaction...but I assisted on the necropsy of this dog and couldn't believe what I saw! :( But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. -- Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 3, 2006 5:28 pm Subject: Sally - pain meds (was Uveitis) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi Sally, I just wanted to comment on getting the antibiotic ointment in Junior's eye... If you put a line of the ointment on your finger and gently apply it to his closed eye, (on the line where his eyelids meet), at least some will go in his eye and it should help at least keep his eye moist. I didn't see you comment on Michelle's post about steriods. Have you been to a specialist for his eye? Maybe your vet could just consult with an ophthalmologist over the phone to see what they think of the situation? Speaking of old fashioned pain meds... I have used Ketofen syrup for dogs. It doesn't taste bad, slight medicine taste, but not bitter and the the dosage, (at least for small dogs), is small enough that I'm betting it could be hidden in some baby food, or easily squirted in his mouth. I did a quick search on it to see if it can be given to cats and came up with the following site on pain control for dogs and cats: http://www.2ndchance.info/pain.htm Nina Sally wrote: I knew that I skipped a day on the aspirin.. also the vet said the anti-inflammatory properties were good for his eye. He ate more today...good sign I hope. sally
Re: Beware of people offering to send meds!
oh, I am sorry I sent that email now, because the meds did arrive right afterwards! And the woman wrote why it took so long, because she has been going through a whole lot of medical crises at her house. So I feel bad I wrote the warning email to the group. It had just been so long that I thought something else was happening. Michelle In a message dated 9/27/2006 4:31:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michele I am sooo sorry that person would do that to you. If she did scam you for the $20 then SHAME ON HER!! Some people are so greedy and insensitive...they prey on people that are dealing with a sick person/animal and dupe them. I dont give my Crackers any meds but if I did I would send them also right to you ASAPfor free. Your advice you have kindly given to me and others could never be paid back. I am so sorry. much love kayte and crackers P.S. If the person who did this to Michele is reading these posts send the girl her money back. That is a disgusting thing to do.
Re: Beware of people offering to send meds!
The warning was valid even if circumstances changed. I still don't understand the $20. I thought that particular drug was very inexpensive. Maybe I have my drugs mixed up. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Beware of people offering to send meds! oh, I am sorry I sent that email now, because the meds did arrive right afterwards! And the woman wrote why it took so long, because she has been going through a whole lot of medical crises at her house. So I feel bad I wrote the warning email to the group. It had just been so long that I thought something else was happening. Michelle In a message dated 9/27/2006 4:31:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michele I am sooo sorry that person would do that to you. If she did scam you for the $20 then SHAME ON HER!! Some people are so greedy and insensitive...they prey on people that are dealing with a sick person/animal and dupe them. I dont give my Crackers any meds but if I did I would send them also right to you ASAPfor free. Your advice you have kindly given to me and others could never be paid back. I am so sorry. much love kayte and crackers P.S. If the person who did this to Michele is reading these posts send the girl her money back. That is a disgusting thing to do.
Beware of people offering to send meds!
Just a note I thought I should share with the group-- beware ofanyone not normally on this list who offers to send you meds. Someone who had not posted for very long offered to send me pred. I sent her a check for $20 over 2 weeks ago. At first she kept saying she was lookingfor a box, then wouldmail it. She last told me she was mailing it on Saturday, but it never arrived.And now she has stopped responding to emails at all. She may just be busy and unreliable, rather than intentionally not sending it, but she is not someone I know, and I am feeling a bit stupid for having relied on her. So be careful! I had adjusted my dosing to the expectation of receiving the pred, and was very stressed the last few days trying to figure out what to do, since I do not think my local vet will refill at this point. Luckily I was just able to find a friend who is weaning his dog off of pred and is sending me a few of his pills so that I don't run out in a few days and don't have to taper more quickly than I should. Michelle Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Beware of people offering to send meds!
Michelle, I am sorry about this happening to you. If I had any meds, I would just send them; I would not ask for money. You guys have helped me out so much over the past year that I wouldn't dream of taking your money! :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a note I thought I should share with the group-- beware of anyone not normally on this list who offers to send you meds. Someone who had not posted for very long offered to send me pred. I sent her a check for $20 over 2 weeks ago. At first she kept saying she was looking for a box, then would mail it. She last told me she was mailing it on Saturday, but it never arrived. And now she has stopped responding to emails at all. She may just be busy and unreliable, rather than intentionally not sending it, but she is not someone I know, and I am feeling a bit stupid for having relied on her. So be careful! I had adjusted my dosing to the expectation of receiving the pred, and was very stressed the last few days trying to figure out what to do, since I do not think my local vet will refill at this point. Luckily I was just able to find a friend who is weaning his dog off of pred and is sending me a few of his pills so that I don't run out in a few days and don't have to taper more quickly than I should. Michelle Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Beware of people offering to send meds!
Michelle I have a few prednisolone left over from Maizees,they are 5mg.Let me know if you can use them and you can have them.Just send me your addy via my e-mail[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Michelle, I'm sorry this happened to you! I wish I had some pred to send to you, I would happily give it to you!Maggie-- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a note I thought I should share with the group-- beware ofanyone not normally on this list who offers to send you meds. Someone who had not posted for very long offered to send me pred. I sent her a check for $20 over 2 weeks ago. At first she kept saying she was lookingfor a box, then wouldmail it. She last told me she was mailing it on Saturday, but it never arrived.And now she has stopped responding to emails at all. She may just be busy and unreliable, rather than intentionally not sending it, but she is not someone I know, and I am feeling a bit stupid for having relied on her. So be careful! I had adjusted my dosing to the expectation of receiving the pred, and was very stressed the last few days trying to figure out what to do, since I do not think my local vet will refill at this point. Luckily I was just able to find a friend who is weaning his dog off of pred and is sending me a few of his pills so that I don 't run out in a few days and don't have to taper more quickly than I should.Michelle Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.
RE: Beware of people offering to send meds!
Sorry that happened to you, Michelle.. just let me know if you need more predisolone or prednisone I have on hand if you ever need more..and I will not expect you to pay for it.. You have been very helpful when I needed your help and want to do everything I can in return.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Beware of people offering to send meds! Just a note I thought I should share with the group-- beware ofanyone not normally on this list who offers to send you meds. Someone who had not posted for very long offered to send me pred. I sent her a check for $20 over 2 weeks ago. At first she kept saying she was lookingfor a box, then wouldmail it. She last told me she was mailing it on Saturday, but it never arrived.And now she has stopped responding to emails at all. She may just be busy and unreliable, rather than intentionally not sending it, but she is not someone I know, and I am feeling a bit stupid for having relied on her. So be careful! I had adjusted my dosing to the expectation of receiving the pred, and was very stressed the last few days trying to figure out what to do, since I do not think my local vet will refill at this point. Luckily I was just able to find a friend who is weaning his dog off of pred and is sending me a few of his pills so that I don't run out in a few days and don't have to taper more quickly than I should. Michelle Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Beware of people offering to send meds!
Thanks, Hideyo. I may take you up on it at some point. I really do not mind paying. It was not receiving it that worried me. Michelle In a message dated 9/27/2006 12:48:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry that happened to you, Michelle.. just let me know if you need more predisolone or prednisone –I have on hand if you ever need more..and I will not expect you to pay for it.. You have been very helpful when I needed your help and want to do everything I can in return..
Re: Beware of people offering to send meds!
I am ok for now, but thanks. I may at some point in the future. Michelle In a message dated 9/27/2006 12:43:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle I have a few prednisolone left over from Maizees,they are 5mg.Let me know if you can use them and you can have them.Just send me your addy via my e-mail
Re: Beware of people offering to send meds!
Thanks for the heads up. It isn't as though Prednisone were a drug you could just suddenly stop without serious consequences! I am so sorry this has been happening to you -- it's irresponsible whether it put your baby in a bad position or not. elizabeth -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:59 AM Subject: Beware of people offering to send meds! Just a note I thought I should share with the group-- beware ofanyone not normally on this list who offers to send you meds. Someone who had not posted for very long offered to send me pred. I sent her a check for $20 over 2 weeks ago. At first she kept saying she was lookingfor a box, then wouldmail it. She last told me she was mailing it on Saturday, but it never arrived.And now she has stopped responding to emails at all. She may just be busy and unreliable, rather than intentionally not sending it, but she is not someone I know, and I am feeling a bit stupid for having relied on her. So be careful! I had adjusted my dosing to the expectation of receiving the pred, and was very stressed the last few days trying to figure out what to do, since I do not think my local vet will refill at this point. Luckily I was just able to find a friend who is weaning his dog off of pred and is sending me a few of his pills so that I don't run out in a few days and don't have to taper more quickly than I should. Michelle Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.
Re: Beware of people offering to send meds!
Michele I am sooo sorry that person would do that to you. If she did scam you for the $20 then SHAME ON HER!! Some people are so greedy and insensitive...they prey on people that are dealing with a sick person/animal and dupe them. I dont give my Crackers any meds but if I did I would send them also right to you ASAPfor free. Your advice you have kindly given to me and others could never be paid back. I am so sorry. much love kayte and crackers P.S. If the person who did this to Michele is reading these posts send the girl her money back. That is a disgusting thing to do.
meds and vitamins?
HI Ive been reading lots of posts mentioning all sorts of medications for FeLV cats. I know that I need to feed Scooter high quality food, and was advised to supplement it with non-ethylene glycol l-lysene and vitamin C. Do I get this from a pet place or a natural foods store? Should I also be giving him other meds? So far hes not showing any signs of distress or illness. Hes 10 months old and just came home from the vet yesterday (shots and neutering) and you would never know he tested positive from his behavior. And another thing how do you keep your positive cats food bowls away from the neg, and vice-versa? Montana and Karma are negative and are indoor/outdoor cats used to having dry food available 24/7. They immediately went for the others bowls last night. I can make sure they dont share the canned food, as I watch over them as they eat it and take the dishes away when finished, but with the dry food, they dont eat it all at once. Is there a big risk in their sharing dry food? I know the virus doesnt live long outside the cat that and its spread in salvia. I guess we could try to put the dry food outside, but this area has lots of strays and we dont want to attract any more cats (or worse) to our house just now. If anyone has found a simple solution to this, Id love to hear it. (Our house is small and difficult to section off, so all cats go everywhere.) Thanks, Peggy
Re: meds and vitamins?
Hi Peggy,I am in the same situation as you are. I found a FeLV positive cat, around 2 years old,and we had to take her in because she was declawed. Not to mentioned that the vet wanted to put her down immediately. We also have other two negative cats that are all indoor. We are living in one-bedroom apt. where is no room for separation. My other two cats are vaccinated, so I am praying they gained a little immunity to the virus. The positive cat is very good and eats and drinks water just from her bowls, but the other two brats are sneaking and get into her bowls. So I came to the conclusion that we can pull all our hair out trying to separate things that they will find a way to share a bowl, especially when we are not at home. All the vets told me to separate everything; just one vet told me to take my chances and not separate anything and provide them with food and water 24/7 because otherwise itcan bevery stressful for the cats that can cause a chain of negative reactions. But of course the negative cats need to be vaccinated for FeLV. I've been having this problem for almost two months and everyone is happy. The positive cat gained so much weight; she almost tripled in size. They are all playing and thank God everything is fine with all of them.What food are you feeding Scooter? I am giving mine Innova EVO, but I will switch to Healthwise because it is too expensive.Take care, IoanaPeggy Ankney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:HI Ive been reading lots of posts mentioning all sorts of medications for FeLV cats. I know that I need to feed Scooter high quality food, and was advised to supplement it with non-ethylene glycol l-lysene and vitamin C. Do I get this from a pet place or a natural foods store? Should I also be giving him other meds? So far hes not showing any signs of distress or illness. Hes 10 months old and just came home from the vet yesterday (shots and neutering) and you would never know he tested positive from his behavior.And another thing how do you keep your positive cats food bowls away from the neg, and vice-versa? Montana and Karma are negative and are indoor/outdoor cats used to having dry food available 24/7. They immediately went for the others bowls last night. I can make sure they dont share the canned food, as I watch over them as they eat it and take the dishes away when finished, but with the dry food, they dont eat it all at once. Is there a big risk in their sharing dry food? I know the virus doesnt live long outside the cat that and its spread in salvia. I guess we could try to put the dry food outside, but this area has lots of strays and we dont want to attract any more cats (or worse) to our house just now. If anyone has found a simple solution to this, Id love to hear it. (Our house is small and difficult to section off, so all cats go everywhere.)Thanks, Peggy Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
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Just fyi, I have in the past kept my FELV mixed with non-FELV. I just don't think it's that contagious, at least with healthy adult cats. I know others who mix, and no problem. Bets of luck, Gloria At 11:18 AM 9/23/2006, you wrote: Hi Peggy, I am in the same situation as you are. I found a FeLV positive cat, around 2 years old, and we had to take her in because she was declawed. Not to mentioned that the vet wanted to put her down immediately. We also have other two negative cats that are all indoor. We are living in one-bedroom apt. where is no room for separation. My other two cats are vaccinated, so I am praying they gained a little immunity to the virus. The positive cat is very good and eats and drinks water just from her bowls, but the other two brats are sneaking and get into her bowls. So I came to the conclusion that we can pull all our hair out trying to separate things that they will find a way to share a bowl, especially when we are not at home. All the vets told me to separate everything; just one vet told me to take my chances and not separate anything and provide them with food and water 24/7 because otherwise it can be very stressful for the cats that can cause a chain of negative reactions. But of course the negative cats need to be vaccinated for FeLV. I've been having this problem for almost two months and everyone is happy. The positive cat gained so much weight; she almost tripled in size. They are all playing and thank God everything is fine with all of them. What food are you feeding Scooter? I am giving mine Innova EVO, but I will switch to Healthwise because it is too expensive. Take care, Ioana Peggy Ankney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / HI Ive been reading lots of posts mentioning all sorts of medications for FeLV cats. I know that I need to feed Scooter high quality food, and was advised to supplement it with non-ethylene glycol l-lysene and vitamin C. Do I get this from a pet place or a natural foods store? Should I also be giving him other meds? So far hes not showing any signs of distress or illness. Hes 10 months old and just came home from the vet yesterday (shots and neutering) and you would never know he tested positive from his behavior. And another thing how do you keep your positive cats food bowls away from the neg, and vice-versa? ?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags /Montana and Karma are negative and are indoor/outdoor cats used to having dry food available 24/7. They immediately went for the others bowls last night. I can make sure they dont share the canned food, as I watch over them as they eat it and take the dishes away when finished, but with the dry food, they dont eat it all at once. Is there a big risk in their sharing dry food? I know the virus doesnt live long outside the cat that and its spread in salvia. I guess we could try to put the dry food outside, but this area has lots of strays and we dont want to attract any more cats (or worse) to our house just now. If anyone has found a simple solution to this, Id love to hear it. (Our house is small and difficult to section off, so all cats go everywhere.) Thanks, Peggy Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbetaYou're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
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I made sure all of my negative cats were up to date on their leukemia shots. waited about 3 more weeks, and then let them all be together. I don't worry about dishes or litter pans. That was over 10 years ago, and I've had 2 positives and up to 14 negatives mixed with them during that time period. None of my negatives has ever contracted leukemia.I brought in an UNvaccinated adult stray 2 years ago ( I figured it was better odds than leaving her where she was.) I got her shots, but I never separated her even without the shots and she is also still negative.tonyaIoana-Dina Rican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Peggy,I am in the same situation as you are. I found a FeLV positive cat, around 2 years old,and we had to take her in because she was declawed. Not to mentioned that the vet wanted to put her down immediately. We also have other two negative cats that are all indoor. We are living in one-bedroom apt. where is no room for separation. My other two cats are vaccinated, so I am praying they gained a little immunity to the virus. The positive cat is very good and eats and drinks water just from her bowls, but the other two brats are sneaking and get into her bowls. So I came to the conclusion that we can pull all our hair out trying to separate things that they will find a way to share a bowl, especially when we are not at home. All the vets told me to separate everything; just one vet told me to take my chances and not separate anything and provide them with food and water 24/7 because otherwise itcan bevery stressful for the cats that can cause a chain of negative reactions. But of course the negative cats need to be vaccinated for FeLV. I've been having this problem for almost two months and everyone is happy. The positive cat gained so much weight; she almost tripled in size. They are all playing and thank God everything is fine with all of them.What food are you feeding Scooter? I am giving mine Innova EVO, but I will switch to Healthwise because it is too expensive.Take care, IoanaPeggy Ankney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:HI Ive been reading lots of posts mentioning all sorts of medications for FeLV cats. I know that I need to feed Scooter high quality food, and was advised to supplement it with non-ethylene glycol l-lysene and vitamin C. Do I get this from a pet place or a natural foods store? Should I also be giving him other meds? So far hes not showing any signs of distress or illness. Hes 10 months old and just came home from the vet yesterday (shots and neutering) and you would never know he tested positive from his behavior.And another thing how do you keep your positive cats food bowls away from the neg, and vice-versa? Montana and Karma are negative and are indoor/outdoor cats used to having dry food available 24/7. They immediately went for the others bowls last night. I can make sure they dont share the canned food, as I watch over them as they eat it and take the dishes away when finished, but with the dry food, they dont eat it all at once. Is there a big risk in their sharing dry food? I know the virus doesnt live long outside the cat that and its spread in salvia. I guess we could try to put the dry food outside, but this area has lots of strays and we dont want to attract any more cats (or worse) to our house just now. If anyone has found a simple solution to this, Id love to hear it. (Our house is small and difficult to section off, so all cats go everywhere.)Thanks, Peggy Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
Compounded drug case ruling in Texas-meds for animals
Hey guys, I thought many of you might be interested in this post that came up on the hyper-T groups site. It's regarding compounded medicines for animals. I use Tapazole/Methimazadole for my Julie, who is hyper-T. :) Wendy Hi everyone, Many of us depend on compounded drugs for our cats. There is an effort on the part of FDA to make these drugs harder to get. It was stopped in Texas recently by the courts. The question is for how long. I know this is not a political blog but these issues are important to us and I thought that if you weren't aware - you should be. Here is a link to the Boston Globe's story about the case: http://www.boston. com/business/ healthcare/ articles/ 2006/09/01/ ruling_hur\ ts_fda_push_ on_compounds/ http://www.boston. com/business/ healthcare/ articles/ 2006/09/01/ ruling_hu\ rts_fda_push_ on_compounds/ Here is a link to The International Academy of Compounding Pharmacists press release on Yahoo: http://biz.yahoo. com/prnews/ 060831/nyth127. html?.v=65 http://biz.yahoo. com/prnews/ 060831/nyth127. html?.v=65 Here is a link to: savemymedicine. org http://www.iacprx. org/site/ PageServer? pagename= P2C2 Alice, Ignatz and Kacper (both my cats use life saving compounded drugs that are not approved by FDA for veterinary use; incidentally, methimazole was never approved by FDA for veterinary use and neither was transdermal methimazole) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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It's been going on here for a while (Washington state), I got a form from my compounding pharmacy last year to fill out and send in to let the gov know I want my compounded meds. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
I would like to donate our unused meds.
I have some meds I would like to donate if anyone is interested and could use them. I have a full bottle of Prednisone, a bottle of homeopathic immune system booster drops, a bottle of homeopathic stress relief drops, a bottle of homeopathic nasal spray, a brand new tube of Nutri-Cal vitamin gel and a brand new, never used bottle of Clavimox. We don't have any other pets so we can't use them. I would hate to see them go to waste if they might help someone else. Just let me know. Chandra Love is not necessary to life, but it is what makes life worth living. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
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Chandra, were are you located at? I could use all of that for the rescue and would gladly mail you the postage to send it. I am in texas. I have heartworm positive dogs that are on prednisone and go through as much clavamox as bleach around here... see our available orphans at:http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.htmlKaren 817-453-4888
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I am in Dallas, but don't worry about the postage. I would never think of asking anyone pay for the postage. Just let me know what your address is. Chandra --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chandra, were are you located at? I could use all of that for the rescue and would gladly mail you the postage to send it. I am in texas. I have heartworm positive dogs that are on prednisone and go through as much clavamox as bleach around here... see our available orphans at: _http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html_ (http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html) Karen 817-453-4888 Love is not necessary to life, but it is what makes life worth living. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
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I still have Cricket's meds. Is there an address on the website you listed that I can send them to? Also, the IR has to be refrigerated, so I am not sure sending it through the mail is a good idea. Please advise and thanks. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi wendy we do all kinds of special needs and can use just about anything. I dont know if you guys have heard about all the fires we are expecting to get overloaded again shortly many of the kill shelters are picking up strays some with burns. a friend just took a heartworm postiive pit with 15% of her body burned... any meds of anysort are appreciated. see our available orphans at: _http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html_ (http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html) Karen 817-453-4888 __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
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Wendy brings up a good point. The Clavimox also has to be kept refrigerated. I can only think of two options, I have several frozen ice packs, the plastic kind you put in a cooler to keep things cool, so I can wrap up the Clavimox in a plastic baggy with one or two of the packs to help it try and stay cool and mail it out today, or I can wait and drive it over sometime at the beginnig of next week. I don't know that much about Clavimox and how much it would degrade the effects if it were to get warm while in transit. You probably know more than I do, so I will leave the decision up to you. I don't mind doing either one. Just let me know, Chandra --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have Cricket's meds. Is there an address on the website you listed that I can send them to? Also, the IR has to be refrigerated, so I am not sure sending it through the mail is a good idea. Please advise and thanks. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi wendy we do all kinds of special needs and can use just about anything. I dont know if you guys have heard about all the fires we are expecting to get overloaded again shortly many of the kill shelters are picking up strays some with burns. a friend just took a heartworm postiive pit with 15% of her body burned... any meds of anysort are appreciated. see our available orphans at: _http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html_ (http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html) Karen 817-453-4888 __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Love is not necessary to life, but it is what makes life worth living. __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
